Di-ancé with Rosebud Baker

Summary

Absolutely Not — “Di-ancé with Rosebud Baker” (June 17, 2026)
Host: Heather McMahan | Guest: Rosebud Baker

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Absolutely Not" features comedian and writer Rosebud Baker, who joins host Heather McMahan for a wide-ranging conversation. The two dive into Rosebud’s new memoir (Fully Baked), her comedic process, motherhood, sobriety, working at SNL, divorce, the realities of life as a touring comic, and the challenges of being a modern woman. Against a backdrop of sharp humor and honesty, they discuss everything—nothing is off-limits, from love bombing and childhood trauma to hormone therapy and Indigokids. The episode is punctuated by memorable quotes, poignant personal stories, and Heather’s signature mix of warmth and irreverence.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Surviving “Cortisol Culture” and Being Spiky Moms

• [00:55] Rosebud’s new comedy hour and hat—"Sweetie, you’re spiking mommy’s cortisol."
  • Heather: “You’re spiking mommy’s cortisol, making me less beautiful.”
  • Rosebud: “It’s just all about how we are so fucked…cortisol spiking every five minutes, then it drops very low…and you feel like you’re in a deep depression.”
• Both discuss the physiological and emotional rollercoaster of being busy, stressed-out women in comedy and parenting.
• [01:21] Rosebud: “There’s a dopamine-cortisol imbalance, it’s like a rollercoaster ride through hell.”

2. The Uncomfortable Glamour of Comedy Events

• [01:44 - 02:32] Rosebud recalls entering a Netflix party with Heather and promptly unloading stress at the table. Both laugh about the awkwardness of these social/industry mingles and the relief of finding “your people.”

3. Memoir Writing: Vulnerability, Sobriety, and Family Secrets

• [02:39 - 04:47] Rosebud's memoir, Fully Baked:
  • The process of writing: "I'm really fucking proud of it...and then you're struck with the sudden realization that people are going to read it and either like it or not like it, and you go, oh my god. And it's terrifying." ([02:58])
  • Oversharing as a comic, and the extra vulnerability when it's a memoir.
  • Honest sharing: “My mom can’t finish it…that’s the sign you gave enough of yourself to something.” ([03:33])
  • Navigating family politics and Waspy culture: “Keep it tight. And I do not…I told this story knowing you can’t tell your story without people close to you reading it and feeling like it could be a criticism of them.”

Sobriety and Personal Transformation

• [05:14 - 06:51] Rosebud has been sober since 21 following her sister’s death. She discusses the generational impact of alcoholism:
  • “My mom struggled with alcoholism. I knew about it…that kind of ruins drinking when you know you have a tendency toward that.”
  • First drinking experience: “I passed out in somebody’s backyard next to my own vomit…and woke up like ‘that was the greatest night—want to do that for the rest of my life.’”

Love, Relationships & Love Bombers

• [08:02 - 09:12] Both discuss “zero to 100” personalities—impulsive in both relationships and substance use.
  • Heather: “Immediately like, ‘I’m getting married, I want to skin you and wear you.’”
  • Rosebud: “Love bombers…that shit turns me on. Especially now as a single mom—I’m like, get into my life, drop $10K on me, tell me I’m great, then disappear.”

4. Memoir Structure: Life Intertwined

• [09:25 - 11:15] Memoir structure: Each chapter begins with a present moment from her motherhood journey, then flashes back.
  • Example: “Peed on a stick at 30 Rock. Had an intern go get the pregnancy test…then finding out I was pregnant and celebrating with coworkers.”

5. Work-Life, Motherhood & Comedy

• [11:39 - 14:20] On doing SNL and IVF simultaneously, and not waiting for the “perfect” moment:

  • Rosebud: “Now is not great, but like, it’s got to be now.”
  • Heather: “For comics, your body is your job…with pregnancy, that adds a whole other layer of pressure.”

• [14:20 - 15:46] Feeling torn by identity as “mom” and “comic”:

  • Rosebud: “Your work is who you are…when you have a baby, it really threw me for a loop. Still is.”

6. Parenting: Gentle, Intuitive, Real

• [16:02 - 18:47] Funny and honest stories about Rosebud’s two-year-old daughter, Minnow (and the tough questions kids ask).
• Discussing “Indigokids” and weird, deep toddler comments.
• Gentle parenting? Rosebud: “I don’t lean toward anything, I just do it by intuition…if you’ve worked on yourself, you’ll be alright.”
• Coparenting humor: “Pretty sure we passed a dead guy on the street…if she says anything, would you please explain existence and death?” ([18:30])

7. Healing & “Shadow Work”

• [23:51 - 26:48] Traumatic memory work with a holistic therapist (doing “body work,” punching pillows, theater-kid exercises):
  • “Trauma is stored in your body…when you get it out…it really helped. Before I did that kind of work I was sweaty, high strung.”
• Both confirm emotional and physical pain can be connected (jaw issues, back pain, migraines).
  • Heather: “After my dad died, did deep massage and wept—stored trauma.”
  • Rosebud: “Mine’s all in my jaw and neck.”

8. Life as a Comic, Burnout, & The Fantasy Exit

• [28:21 - 29:32] Wanting to escape: “If I don’t take time for myself, I’ll move to a farm. I’ll walk into the woods and live there the rest of my life.”
• Joking about escaping the industry, making wine in Italy, having their kids stomp grapes:
  • “We need to bring back child labor…in a luxurious way.” ([29:34])

9. SNL: Behind the Curtain

• [30:27 - 34:19] Rosebud’s SNL tenure:

  • Leaving: “If it’s not going to happen now, it’ll happen later, and the longer I stay, the harder it’ll be to go.”
  • Sketch room vs. Weekend Update: “Sketch side was way more emotional…you’re waiting to find out if you made the cast list.”
  • Imposter syndrome: “There’s a difference between imposter syndrome and walking into a job where you are literally an imposter. Like, I was an imposter.”
  • On Update, it was more about joke-writing, less emotional wrangling.

• [34:40 - 37:59] How Update features come to be; examples of brooming Bowen Yang’s “Mudang the hippo” character, sketches that didn’t make air, and the fast-paced, often random nature of what survives the weekly show shuffle.

10. Comedy Specials, Divorce, and Reinvention

• [42:06 - 44:12] Rosebud’s latest special (Mother Load)—shot half pregnant, half postpartum:

  • Heather: “One of the best specials I’ve seen in 10 years.”
  • Rosebud working on new hour: “It takes me three years to do what some comics do in one.”

• Divorce:

  • Wanting to call her ex-husband a “Diancé”—as in “divorced fiancé.”
  • “We love each other…let’s end it before we hate each other.”
  • Trying to write honest, non-cliché divorce material when it’s not acrimonious is its own creative hurdle.

11. Touring, Solo Mom Life, and the Comedy Grind

• [46:33 - 47:19] Touring solo with a toddler:
  • “Now that I’m doing it solo, I have this weird pride I didn’t have in myself before.”
  • Hopes to make enough from her book to slow down on the road when Minnow is in school.
• Comedy club chaos with kids: “No door to the green room. Everytime the audience laughed, she [Minnow] would scream ‘No.’”

12. Supporting Female Creators, The Numbers Game, and Book Hustle

• [47:24 - 50:10] Pledging to help the book go New York Times bestseller; lamenting the mystery of “the list” and doing the pre-sale hustle.
  • “If I don’t get tagged in the [bestseller] video, I’ll be upset.” ([47:41])
  • Rosebud: “We need to make a video, either me finding out that I didn’t [make the list] and crying, or something that goes viral.”
• Publishing world is a “sliding scale”—Heather: “Something horrible will have to happen to someone else’s family that week so we win.”

13. Health, Acupuncture, Hormone Therapy and Peptides

• [51:10 - 52:07] Both discuss IVF, hormone therapy (HRT), holistic health, acupuncture, and “being peptided out.”
  • Rosebud: “I’m doing peptides, hormone HRT...starting this week.”
  • “It’s crazy HRT was banned 10 years ago, now it’s so normal.”

14. Feminism, Aging, and The Humiliation Ritual

• [53:24 - 55:10] The radicalizing experience of turning 35:
  • Rosebud: “Turning 35 radicalized me. In my 20s, I was a feminist, but I had no idea what was coming.”
  • “Being a woman is a humility ritual.”
  • Fertility clinics: “They just make you feel like you’re dead in the water. Like, we’re surprised you made it in today. It’s an honor to see you alive…Who brought you here? Who will walk you home?"

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On writing and releasing a memoir

  • “You write a book and you go, alright, well, I wrote the book, and that’s great. But then people are going to read it and either like it or not, and you go, oh my god.” — Rosebud ([03:00])
  • “If your mom is reading it and is like, ‘I just...this is just upsetting.’...then I was honest enough, right?” — Rosebud ([03:41])

• On alcoholism and self-awareness

  • “My first time drinking, I passed out next to my own vomit and woke up and was like, I want to do that for the rest of my life.” — Rosebud ([06:25])
  • “Mine’s all in my jaw and neck—my vocal cords just...” — Rosebud ([27:51])

• On motherhood and work

  • “When you really feel like your work is who you are—having a baby really threw me for a loop.” — Rosebud ([14:00])
  • “Kids will humble you real quick. She was like, is that Elsa? No, that’s Mommy. Oh.” — Rosebud ([15:26])

• On career transitions

  • “There’s a difference between imposter syndrome and being literally an imposter. I was an imposter.” — Rosebud ([33:37])

• On divorce

  • “We love each other…let’s end it before we hate each other.” — Rosebud ([43:41])
  • “Trying to write about divorce when it’s not acrimonious is tough—how do you get the audience to know that?” — Rosebud ([44:12])

• On aging and women’s struggles

  • “Being a woman is a humiliation ritual…It’s humility at every turn.” — Rosebud ([55:00])
  • “Turning 35 radically changed my perspective. In my 20s, I was a feminist, but I had no idea what was coming.” — Rosebud ([53:24])

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• [00:55] — Cortisol, stress, and the “rollercoaster ride through hell”
• [04:29] — Memoir honesty, family secrets, and navigating oversharing
• [05:14] — Sobriety journey and impact of family history
• [10:01] — Parenting and memoir structure: weaving past and present
• [13:04] — Pregnancy, comics, and career pressure
• [17:07] — Rosebud’s intuitive parenting, co-parenting, and tough toddler questions
• [23:51] — Trauma therapy, somatic work, and letting feelings out of the body
• [29:32] — The lure of walking away from it all to make wine/live on a farm
• [32:00] — Inside the SNL writer’s room, emotional turbulence, “joke assassin” role
• [34:53] — Iconic Weekend Update characters, sketch-writing process, and cut sketches
• [42:06] — Comedy special “Mother Load” and the challenge of topping a personal hour
• [43:41] — “Diancé” and reinventing the narrative around amicable divorce
• [47:24] — Book release hustle, New York Times list, and reverse marketing schemes
• [51:23] — IVF, peptides, hormone therapy, and the evolving landscape of women’s health
• [53:53] — Feminism, aging, and the absurdities and realities of womanhood

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, irreverent, self-deprecating, honest, and warm.
• The humor is sharp but vulnerable, with both pain and pride in the experiences discussed.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode is a witty, uncensored, and highly relatable look at women’s lives on the comedy/career grind. It’s an honest reflection on everything from sobriety and motherhood to the highs and humiliations of Hollywood, writing, and personal growth. You’ll walk away with both laughs and real takeaways about resilience, the messiness of life, and why it’s always good to buy your friend’s book (especially if she intends to go viral slapping someone at Hillstone).

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Rosebud Baker Links

• Book: Fully Baked (Released June 9; available everywhere, especially Amazon and rosebudbaker.com)
• Current tour dates, updates, and stand-up: rosebudbaker.com

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Support woman comics. Buy the book. Go to the show. Laugh (and cry) along the way!

Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a dear media production.

[B]

Welcome to the Absolutely Not Podcast, where we do the most and the least at the same damn time. I'm your host, Heather McMahon.

[A]

I want to start a fire.

[B]

Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to another episode of the Absolutely not podcast. I am so honored and blessed to have one of my favorite people in the world here in the podcast studio.

[C]

She's here on a new book tour,

[B]

a new comedy tour, doing all the things. Please welcome Almost to the stage. Welcome to the podcast, the one and only Rosebud Baker. How are we doing?

[A]

Oh, my God, I'm so bad.

[B]

Let's talk about your. Let's talk about your hat. I love this. Sweetie, you're spiking mommy's cortisol, making me less beautiful.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

A whole new hour is about cortisol. It's just all about how we are so fucked.

[A]

Really? What is it like? Tell me how. Because I saw this hat and I was like, that does feel right.

[B]

That is right.

[C]

I want that.

[B]

That's a good hat.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, just the cortisol is. It's a mess. And there's really no way to fix

[A]

the cortisol spiking every five minutes.

[B]

And then it drops very low. And then it's. You kind of, you know, you have no energy and then you feel like you're in a deep depression.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But it's just truly the cortisols.

[A]

Yeah. I wonder if it's like the dopamine cortisol. Like there's just an imbalance in general where I'm just sort of on a. On a roller coaster ride through hell.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And wondering, does it ever get better?

[B]

I asked Rose, but I was like, how are you doing? She's just really bad. Yeah. But we're gonna keep it. We are gonna keep it positive. But yes, we are living in wildlife.

[A]

Posi vibes. Posi vibes.

[B]

Positive vibes. But I just saw you out in LA and it was so funny because we're at these incredibly uncomfortable Netflixes, joke parties, and Rosebud walks in and we're standing at a high top table, and I was like, what's going on, bitch? And you just slapped your arm down. And we just went at it for two hours. It was great.

[A]

Well, you saw me. I was walking into the party. You're. You're there with Joe.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Sitting at a table. I walk into this party and Heather and Joe saw me walking in, looking around and deciding to leave. Like, I, like, I was like, looking around and I was just like, no, no. And I start to turn, and you both were like, rosebud. And I was like, oh, thank God. I, like, dropped my purse on the floor and was like, here we go.

[B]

You literally put an elbow on the table, put your head down, and was like, let me tell you some shit. And I was like, this is the rosebud ketchup that I need. Yes. So it's bad. It's bad because there's a lot going on right now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In the world. You're trying to be a mother. Your cortisol is spiked. You're just. It's a lot.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

I mean, you're trying to promote a book, become a New York Times bestseller.

[A]

Yes, I am. I am. I'm trying to promote this book. I. Listen, let's talk about it.

[B]

First of all, I need you to walk me through the whole process of writing a book, because I'm about to start it. And also, I am all about becoming a New York Times bestseller for you. So we're going to make sure that we're buying the copies.

[A]

Buy the copies. I swear to God. I mean, I'm really fucking proud of it.

[B]

You should be.

[A]

I think it's an actually good book. Like, I'm like, oh, okay. People are reading it and really liking it, which is one thing. You know what I mean? Like, you write a book and you go, all right, well, I wrote the book, and that's great. Like, I was able to write a book. But then you're struck with the sudden realization that people are going to read it and either like it or not like it, and you go, oh, my God. And it's terrifying, right?

[B]

Because it's a memoir, and obviously, like, as comics, we overshare in the first place. That is our entire life. I am sure that you probably, as you sense, like, the last send to your editor, you're like, wait, this is wildly exposing.

[A]

Yeah. In a different way, Right? Yes. I mean, truly, I think I did a good job because my mom can't finish it.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So I think that's, like, that is the sign that, like, you. You gave enough of yourself to something.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That, like, if your mom is reading it and is like, I just. This is just upsetting.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I mean, then it's like, okay, then I was honest enough, right. Where, like, I feel like people will relate.

[B]

Is it upsetting to her because of the things that you're saying just about your life in general, or are you like, this, like, chapter eight, My mom's a bitch.

[A]

No, no, no, no. I Mean, I truly was. Like, I try because obviously, your family, when you get into this business, yeah. You are just telling your story, you know, and nobody's really listening, so you can say whatever, right. But then after you get a certain amount of, like, eyes and you get some fans and people are listening, you go, oh, wait, everybody else around me did not ask to be involved in this.

[C]

Agree.

[A]

And, like, so that becomes a weird balance, especially with my family, which is, like, so wasp y everybody. There's, like, political pressure and secrets, and that's just, like, the way that we live is like, keep it. Keep it tight. You know what I mean?

[B]

Right.

[A]

Keep it tight. Keep it tight. And I do not. You know, so, like, I really, like, put my. I told this story knowing that you can't tell your story without people close to you reading it and feeling like it could be a criticism of them, when. In. When, in fact, like, it's not. It's just. I tried to keep it really. Like, this is what happened.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And this is how I reacted. This was my response to what was happening, regardless of what anyone meant by things. You know, I talk about alcoholism and, like, my struggle to get sober and.

[C]

How long have you been sober?

[A]

Almost 18. Wow. Almost 20 years now.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Wow. Good for you, Rosebud.

[A]

Yeah, it's been a long time.

[B]

And what. And what was.

[C]

Cause, I mean, you're not that old. So when did you.

[B]

How old were you when you became sober?

[A]

Yeah, I was 23.

[C]

God, so mature of you.

[B]

So, like, truly, at 23, I would not have had.

[A]

No, wait, I was. It was 21. It was 21 that I got sober.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I was 21. And it was like, I was one of those people that, like, started drinking and then got, like, crazy bad very fast.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You know, like, my sister died.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And then I was smoking weed, which I was like, that's no problem. You know, like, you can smoke weed. And I knew, I think, because my mom struggled with alcoholism. Yeah, I knew about it. And I. That kind of ruins drinking when you, like, know that you have a tendency towards that. Yeah, it kind of.

[B]

Growing up and seeing it, too. You have a completely different perspective.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, I. From my first drink, which was at, like, 16 or 15, I started. I was like, well, I'll just control everything. Yeah. I'll, like, try to control it. I'll keep a lid on it. My first time drinking, I passed out in somebody's backyard. Yeah. And was, like. Woke up next to my own vomit. Was like. And woke up and Was like, I want to do that for the rest of my life. Like, I was like, that was the greatest. That was the greatest night of my life, you know?

[B]

And that was, like, at the 16 where you could projectile vomit all over every. Everything and then and still have the energy to do it again.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Now if I have a glass of white wine, I have a headache in 15 minutes. I'm like, this is awful. Like, this is literally terrible.

[A]

This is.

[B]

This shit is actually poison.

[A]

I know. And then my alcoholic ass literally hears that from my friends, and I go, well, that means that I could drink.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I go, well, like, that means I could drink. You know, if it's bad. If it's bad now, that means I could drink and probably drink all day, like, if I wanted, you know? And it's like, okay, well, it's like my brain cannot fucking handle, like, booze and it. And it just. But I love it so much. I love it so much.

[B]

What was your drink of choice back then? I mean, it doesn't matter.

[A]

It doesn't matter. It didn't matter. Literally, the first time I got drunk was like, jello shots. And I truly. I just. I literally just ate my weight in jello shots, puked all over this woman's backyard, and woke up and was like, all right, well, I'll just wait two weeks. I'll wait two weeks to do it again. And then was like, drunk the next weekend and then drunk the weekend after that. And then it was like every other day. And then it was just like, it picked up. I mean, I ramp up quick. You know what I mean?

[B]

I like that. I like a quick ramper.

[A]

Yeah. I don't take shit slow at all. Okay. Like, I. Even in relationships, it is like 0 to 100. Every.

[B]

You're immediately like, I'm getting married. I'm doing the thing. We are in it. Let's. Let's go. I want to skin you and wear you.

[A]

First date. Let me read your diary. Yeah. I want to talk to your siblings. I want to mix our ashes in the same yard. You know what I mean? I want all of it.

[B]

Like, so do you think love bombers and alcoholics coincide?

[A]

I fudgeing love. Love bombers.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That shit turns me on.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

In a major way. Like, everybody that's like, oh, no. Like, be careful of that. I'm like, that. Bring it on.

[B]

You're like, I'm horny for that.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But that does make sense when you think about it. Okay. Because the alcoholism going 0 to 100, the love bombing it's immediately like, we're in it. This is it. This is my person. And then would you fall off, like, three days later, be like, never speak to me again. I never want to see or hear from you.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. I mean, truly a love bomber. The way that a love bomber moves is, like, kind of my dream. Especially now as, like a single mom. I'm like, get into my life, drop a drop, 10k on me, tell me I've got the greatest alive, and then disappear. That's amazing. That's all I want.

[B]

That's all you want. I like that. Yeah. So that's in the memoir. Yeah. Fully Baked by Rosebud Baker.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When you're sitting down to write your book, what were there certain topics where you're like, absolutely not, or like, how did you get your kind of run of show, if you will.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Hate to use those terms.

[A]

So, no, no. I started writing having no idea what I was going to do, what this book was going to be. I was in a real transitional period of time. I had just under. I went through two miscarriages. I just started working at snl. I had just gotten married. I was like. I was doing ivf. And then I got pregnant and then I had my kid. So, like, that was all happening while I was writing the book.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

And so every time I sat down to write about my past, like, my future or like, my what or my present was just so overwhelming.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That it was kind of my way into the stories that I was, like, remembering. And a lot of what happened when I got pregnant and even during ivf and just, like, in the. Considering having a kid, you just start to think about your own story and what you are bringing to the table as, like, a parent.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And so every chapter starts with something that was happening in the present moment. Like, it was like, you know, bringing Minnow home from the hospital or finding out I was pregnant at 30 Rock. Like, during, like, peed on a stick at 30 Rock. Peed on a stick at 30 Rock. Had an intern go get the pregnancy test.

[C]

I love this.

[A]

Like, truly, like, it secretly, like, had, like, Jimmy Fowley, like, run to the writer's desk, like, get. He was like, excuse me, one of the female writers needs a pregnancy test. Like, just, like, really loving the gay drama of it all. Truly. And then rushing back and, like, taking the test and then finding out I was pregnant and, like, celebrating with my co workers and then remembering something that happened in my life through that moment. And so I started using my present Moment as, like, a way into my past.

[B]

Wow. I love that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Also so bold of you, too. And I mean, this is how sick

[C]

and twisted our business is to think

[B]

that, like, here you are, you're a writer at snl. And I know that's not. Like, everybody thinks it's gonna be the end all, be all, but what, like a huge moment, right. Comics life. And then you're also, like, actively trying to get pregnant. Like, the thought to me, I'm like, wow, the power in being able to relinquish, like, I really am going to do it all. Like, that seems terrifying to me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To, like, actively be, like, I'm ready to add even more to my plate, even while I am doing one of the hardest jobs in show business ever.

[A]

Well, as you know. Well, I don't know if you actually know this, but I did ivf, got the embryos, then got pregnant on a Tuesday. Just on a Tuesday after, like, a week with my niece. You know what I mean? And I returned my niece to my sister and was like, I'm getting pregnant. Yeah. I mean, and then that happened. And then I was like, well, if I don't do it now, like, there's never going to be a time that I. That. That this business and my career isn't pulling focus from, like, my other goals.

[C]

Right.

[A]

So I was kind of like, yeah, now is not great, but, like, it's got to be now.

[B]

It's got to be now, you know?

[A]

And so I. I did it. Even though I didn't really think that the timing was ideal.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, I just kind of was like, strap in.

[B]

And these are the conversations that I feel like a lot of women in this biz, like, we.

[C]

We.

[B]

Sidebar. And it's Truly, like, I've. I've. I've got to figure out having a

[C]

kid, truly, in the next, like, three days.

[B]

And I tell. And I tell everybody. I'm like, it's so terrifying to think because everything is nine months ahead, truly, whether you're cooking a kid or not, everything's a year ahead. It's like, you know, I'm like, okay, well, I'm doing another cruise, so I can't have a baby now because then I'll be this and that. Like. Like those kind of things. Like, I'm contractually locked into this thing and that thing. Okay? And if the show gets picked up, then I can't. I can't. I'm already fat. I can't be fat for, like, you

[A]

know, we're shooting the pilot.

[B]

Shit. Like, that where I'm like, okay, how do. It is a scary thing, because when you are a comic and when you, it is our job, it's like other female athletes, they're physically using their body to, to work. It's not like I can kind of clock out and, you know, answer some emails.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I'm not saying that anybody else who works in corporate America, that. I'm not comparing that. But when you're. One vehicle of your job is your physical being.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It's, it's a whole different ball.

[A]

Yeah. And I think that there is just this pressure of, like, you know, I think regardless of what industry you're in, where if you get pregnant, all of a sudden, everyone that works around you is like, oh, she doesn't care about her work anymore.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's like, I wanted to, I wanted to make it very, very clear. And I talk about that in the book a lot. Like, about the, how torn I was and how confusing it is to have a baby. When you really identify, when you feel like your work is your life.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, and, and your work is who you are. And that really threw me for a loop. That was really, really hard for me. And still is, like, yeah, still it's really hard for me to, like, you know, I, I feel like I struggle all the time against people going like, well, she's, she's a mom, so she's like, you know what I mean?

[B]

Like, it's like a dust off. Oh, she's a mom.

[A]

She's a mom. She's busy. You know, it's like, no, no, no. Like, like, invite me to shit. You know what I mean? Like, no, I want to do this. Like, I'm down to work and, and a lot of the work that I'm doing now is like, writing a show, writing a book, doing, you know, doing standup touring. Like, I, I. There is so much of what we do that is behind the scenes.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You know that, like, and also where,

[B]

where you have to go live. You have to go live a life. You can't be just married to the material all the time. The material is the life.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Living the life. Like, I mean, I, I fully hear you. And I remember we kind of, you know, chatted actually, irl about, like, you know, when you got pregnant. I was like, this is so exciting.

[C]

I was like, I'm so happy for you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And also you created one of the most beautiful children I've ever seen in my life.

[A]

It's amazing.

[B]

So cute and adorable and like, what

[A]

she's so smart, too.

[B]

And do you take her on the road with you right now?

[A]

I take her on the road with me, yeah.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Talk about a critic backstage.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

And that's. That's the great, like, the humbling, like, great equal. Right? Because you. The great equalizer. You get off stage and it's like, she didn't give a shit. She's not going to give you accolades.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She's like, bitch, where are my chicken tenders?

[A]

Right?

[B]

You know, I'm tired. Let's go.

[A]

She goes, ugh. Like, yeah. What did she. She showed me. I was showing her a picture of something, and she was like, is that Elsa or something? And I was like, no, that's Mommy. And she went, oh. And I was like, oh, okay. Well, never mind. You know what I mean? Like, she was just really disappointed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it was like, a picture of me, I think it was at the Emmys.

[B]

And you're, like, dressed to the nine.

[A]

Yes. She was like, is that Elsa?

[B]

I was like, no, it's Mommy with hair extensions.

[A]

Oh, yeah. I'm like, okay.

[B]

At least for a split second, she thought you were Elsa.

[A]

Right? I'm like, that was nice. Yeah.

[B]

How old is she now?

[A]

She's two and a half. But she's like.

[B]

She's tall.

[A]

She's really tall. Yeah, she's really tall. She's really smart. She likes. Came up to me yesterday. I'm doing my hair. She walks in the bathroom. She goes, hey, Mommy. I was like, what? She goes, why did the world happen?

[D]

Oh.

[B]

I was like, okay, okay.

[A]

I was like, really good question, actually, really smart question. We will never know.

[B]

Have you ever seen. And I've talked about this on other episodes, but have you ever seen, like, the Tiktoks or the Instagram reels about the Indigo Kids where it's like. It's like this idea of, like, an actual old soul where these kids will be like, if, like, a minute were to come in. And she's like, mommy, my. My mommy before you. You know, my mommy before you lived in India.

[C]

And you're like, huh? What do you mean?

[B]

She's like, yeah. And my. You know, my dad had one leg like. Like this. There's these videos of these kids.

[A]

If she pulls like that, I will. I will sage her. I will sage her room. I'll be like, don't do that again. Don't do that again.

[B]

I don't want to know about your previous lives. This one is the best.

[A]

Okay, well, we're going to church now. We have to go to church. You know what I mean?

[B]

And how. How did you describe the world? What. What did you say? Why did the world happen? Rose. But I'd love to know.

[A]

I. I'm really pretty straigh her about stuff. I go. I go, minnow, that's a really good question. And we're never gonna know.

[B]

Great. Great.

[A]

I like that we don't know the answer to that. I was like, if you figure it out, you let me know. Yeah, but I don't have the answer to that. And then she. She'll ask me things like, what is bad? She'll go, what does bad mean? And I'm like, But I've, like, been in therapy for, like, a long time, and so I feel like I don't even know how to answer that anymore. Like, I'm like, what is bad? I mean, what. It's like, bad is like a. I just was like, it's a quality.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

It's a flavor.

[A]

I don't know. Yeah, it's a quality, you know? I was like, I don't know. Like, I didn't know how to say bad without saying bad, you know?

[B]

And then, I mean, that's gotta be so hard too, because you're like, you. You know, nowadays you can read all the parenting books. Be like, I don't want to give my kids a complex. But also, like, I see my friend's parent and they're all incredible parents. Was like, do we. Are we leaning more towards gentle parenting or where are we at, you know?

[A]

Yeah, I don't. I don't lean towards anything, really. I just kind of do it by intuition. And her dad does too. And it's like, it's fun that way. I feel like, you know, we're in the middle of a divorce, but, like, Andy and I are really great co parents and. And we do get along when it comes to Minnow. We're like, we'll like, do, like, drop off and pick up and stuff, you know? And he's. The other day, he texted me. He's like, hey, pretty sure we passed by a dead guy on the street. He goes, I'm not sure if she saw him or not, but if she. If she says anything about, would you please explain existence and death? Sure.

[B]

You know, like, you're like, that's New York City, baby.

[A]

I'm like, sure. Like, I don't know. Like, I wish that I'd read a book or two, but I also feel like, it's your kid. You know what to do with your kid, you know, and if you have, if you've worked on yourself and you've done some healing and you've gotten some shadow work done or whatever, I think you're going to be all right.

[C]

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[B]

how you buy the shadow work. Okay, so I have a therapist who wants me to come down and she wants to do like a three day somatic, like, trauma workshop. And I'm like, okay, all right. And she's like, you never talk. She says that I never. I. I can't name a feeling. I can name a. I can. How did she say it?

[C]

Like, she.

[B]

But what are you feeling? What is the emotion behind it? I'm like, I don't have time for emotions right now, bitch. And I'm not a cold person. I'm a very warm person. But I'm like, for me, personally, I'm like, the show. Keep the. This. The train is off the tracks. Like, we got to keep going.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I could be sad for 15 minutes, but then I gotta get over it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So what's the shadow work?

[A]

So shadow work for me was like, just. I called it, like, the stuff that would make my dad cringe. Like, it was like this. I go to a holistic therapist, right. I've been seeing him for, like, 15 years.

[B]

And what makes them holistic?

[A]

I don't know. Just kind of like, to me it

[B]

was like soy candles in the room, punch.

[A]

Like, he had pillows around. Got it. He had, like, pillows in the room. And we did a lot of, like, body work.

[B]

I love that. Okay.

[A]

Like, I would, like, punch pillows. We would talk for, like, 35 minutes.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I would say something where he would, like, latch onto it, and he'd be like, what do you mean by that? And I'd be like, I don't know. Like, I. You know, and I would start. I would. He would see me start to get, like, emotional, like, worked up, but, like, not be able to, like, like, get to the feeling.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he would be like, okay, now we're gonna, like, move to the floor. Right? And I would. He'd, like, have me repeat this. Where it's like, why don't you see me? Or, like, just notice me or whatever.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And he'd have me, like, hit a pillow. It's humiliated. Yeah.

[B]

You're basically doing taibo in an office.

[A]

I'm basically doing, like, theater kid exercises all over again. Where it's like, where is your shame?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? And I'd be like, hitting this pillow, being like, why can't you see me? You know? And there were so many times Where I'd just be like, look, Peter, I can't.

[B]

Yeah, come on. It's always a beater.

[A]

Like, peter, this is so like, you know, I'm like, you want me to talk to my dad? But if my dad was here, right? He. The things that would be coming out of his mouth.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I can't repeat. You know what I mean? Like, I like you. You understand? Yeah. I can't do this. And so there were so many times where I'd be like, I. I just can't today. But there were other times where I, like, really committed to it. And when I did, I would get to. I would have, like, full blown, like, flashbacks to when I was a kid and like, weird memories, like, somatic memories where I was like, under the covers in my bed crying about, like, I don't know, my sister getting something. And I didn't. You know, but like, it was about something so much deeper than that.

[C]

Right.

[A]

So, like, I did this for, I think, like two years we worked.

[B]

You were hitting the pillows with Peter like that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I didn't do it again until, like, recently. And I just did it by myself in my room. And it was like, holy fuck. Like, you know what? Like, when you get it out of your body, it's basically the idea that trauma is stored in your body.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you get it out of your body. And I will say, like, we were talking about cortisol.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The before I did that kind of work, I was like, sweaty and high strung. Sweaty. High strung.

[B]

That's how I am right now.

[A]

Yeah. Just like, could not panic.

[B]

I can't get comfortable.

[A]

I was like, I can't cry because if I cry, it will not stop.

[C]

I.

[A]

And I don't have time. And like, all this shit. And doing that work really helped. Really helped.

[B]

Yeah. The somatic stuff. I really believe in that too, because. And like, you know the book, the body keeps scores. After my dad died too, I went and I was in Portland and this crazy lady gave me a massage.

[C]

And she was doing all this work in my psoas.

[B]

And it was the most painful and

[C]

I could handle a deep tissue.

[B]

And she was like, you keep everything stored in your hips. And then I went and saw this really crazy guy who did this, like, muscle testing. And he was like, you. You were thinking of something traumatic. And then that's when you. Because I have all these back problems. He's like, and you hurt yourself while you were thinking about something awful. And this, this is why. And he was doing this weird muscle testing and Every time they would like go into my psoas, I would just like weep, knock in the pain. And he was like, you're all your traumas is stored in your lower back and like your right hip. And then I've had an ovarian torsion and an ovarian cyst on my right side. I'm like, everything, like when I shut down, I kind of get like a right sided migraine.

[A]

I'm like, you're just like, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Like, I just kind of stroke out all the time. I'm like, everything that happens, happens there. And they were like, you got to do some sort of somatic work to figure out why this, this side of your body, like why it shuts down. So I really believe in that. I have not had the time off to do it, but I, I believe it.

[A]

Yeah. I feel like mine's all in my jaw.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And my neck, like my, my vocal cords just.

[B]

Well, you're a Pisces too, right? And I hate to get real woo woo on it, but I don't know about you. I am such a Pisces. I'm such a Pisces. And I'm the kid. It's like, I can handle, I can handle, I can handle, I can handle. And then when I don't, I will fucking snap in a way that is terrifying. Yeah, I'm good, Good, good, good, good. I take a lot. I can handle a lot. And then it is like, I am going to flip the car. The car is flipped and my parents are like, you're eight years old. Why is the minivan at the bottom of the hill? I'm like, sorry, guys, you pissed me off.

[A]

Right? I mean, I worry about, and this is such a Pisces quality, but like, we don't, like, we don't throw a fit, but we will disappear.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And like, I worry about with this business, like, if I don't, if I don't take time for myself, there will be a day where I go, I'm moving to a farm. Yeah, I'm going to a farm. I'm literally going to walk into the woods and that's where I'm going to live the rest of my life.

[B]

That's the dream. I always say Rose by like, you know, I'm such a nerd, like, for snl. And I said, I want to host snl. And after I say thanks for, you know, we hope we had a great show. Thanks, New York. See you later. Good night.

[A]

After $7,000, I take my $7,000.

[B]

You know, and I'm done promoting my whatever Marvel movie. And then you'll never see me again. I'll be done. I'll be in the Turks and Caicos. I'll be in Italy, like you said, a truffle pig farm. I'll be making olive oil. I will be making white wine with my feet. I don't care. I'm just going like Lucille Balls. I will.

[A]

I will bring me.

[B]

Yes. And it'll be great because I won't have to worry about you getting high in your own supply. No, you'll just be actually working, and I'll be the one with the problem.

[A]

I will make the wine. You can drink it. Great. Yeah, me and Minnow will be out there stomping grapes.

[B]

Oh, thanks.

[A]

All day long.

[B]

We need some child labor. And I wasn't going to say it, but she's a juicy kid.

[A]

We need to bring it back.

[B]

We need to bring it back.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We really do.

[A]

In a luxurious way.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

You get it.

[B]

Put these kids to work. And also, you know, I've been saying this, and I hate to be a downer about, like, AI taking all of our jobs, but they are. And these kids are not really. They don't really have a future. So why not have her make a tangible thing, like a commodity to me? Olive oil. Tangible things you can touch, eat, consume. That's going to be what's important.

[A]

She is. I'll tell you something about Minnow. She has built working class.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She's a. She's got a working class build.

[E]

You know what I mean?

[A]

She's going to be out there. She's going to work with her hands.

[B]

My girl.

[A]

I'm going to show her how to build a boat.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

From scratch. You know what I mean? Because we're obviously, we're going to be underwater.

[B]

We're going to be underwater.

[A]

So, like, build a boat and learn how to operate it. And we're good.

[B]

And make some olive oil. And I think we're vg. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's not that hard. We got it under control. We've got it under control.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When you left snl, was that a really scary moment, just kind of taking that leap, or were you like, I've run my course, I did the thing, and now I'm ready to go.

[A]

I felt like it was the time, the right time. You know, I felt like this was. I'm like, if it's not gonna happen now. Yeah, it's. It'll happen, like, later. And I think later, like, the longer I stay, the Harder it will be. Be to go.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know?

[B]

And what was your experience? Like, walk me through kind of that. That Saturday after rehearsal, when do you find out whether or not your skits

[C]

are going to air?

[A]

So between dress and air is when you find out, you know? And it's funny because my last year there, I was just working at Update.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So it was like we were working all through. It was such a different. It was like a different job completely working at Update. And then the sketch side was like. The sketch side was way more emotional.

[C]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. Like, people would get really invested, and then they would feel crushed when their stuff didn't go through. And, like, you know, as a standup who worked there, I was always kind of like, ah, well, you know, it's kind of a weird thing that I'm even working here.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, like, this kind of happened as a fluke, you know, so when

[B]

you were just on. Working on Weekend Update, so you're writing specifically for Che and Joe's and how many other people are on that team?

[A]

It's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

[B]

5.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then there's. So that's separate. Were you also able then to write sketches?

[A]

You could.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? We mostly pitched on features. Like, Update features. You could write sketches if you wanted to.

[C]

Right.

[B]

But again, you were like, this is

[C]

too emotional for me.

[A]

I just. It wasn't even like that for me. It didn't feel emotional for me, but it. The whole vibe around it was very, like, kind of middle school, high school, like High School Musical, where you're, like, waiting to find out, like, who got

[B]

if you made the cast list.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And it was like, that feeling was just so humiliating to me.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That I was like, I can't really be here the way that I need to be here. Because you have to care that much.

[B]

Right.

[A]

If you want it to work, you have to care that much. And to me, I was just, like, humiliated by that level of.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? So I just, like, I sort of shut down. And when I got to Update, I was like, this is my. These are my people. Where it's like, we're just like joke machines, and we'll sit there and read this. These horrible headlines, horrible, worst things you've ever heard.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And be like, what's funny about that?

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know what I mean? And just like, that felt like more my speed.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know? But I was great in a sketch room where it's like, they needed jokes to be just, like, fired. Off, you know, like, if they needed, like, a joke assassin, I would come in and just be like, boom, boom, boom, boom.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it wasn't like a. I never felt like I was. I still am just like, can I write a sketch? And I know that I can, but it just. You were working with people who are so good at it, right? That, like, you just go like, oh, my God. Like, I don't. I have never felt such. And I talk about it in here where I'm like, there's a difference between imposter syndrome, right? And you walking into a job where you are literally an imposter. Like, I was an imposter.

[B]

It's not make it till you make it. You're like, I actually should be cleaning the floors here.

[A]

Actually do not know what I'm doing. Like, I was walking to people's offices being like, are there. Is there, like, a book I can get for, like, sketch structure? You know?

[B]

Anybody have the history, the biography of Del Close? Like, I gotta figure out what zip zaps often.

[A]

Yeah, I was freaking out, you know, and, like, wanting to, like, I would, like, go online and be, like, watching, like, sketch classes. Like, I was truly having a moment where I was like, I don't know what I'm doing.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And it scared me, you know? But I also felt like, okay, just play your position. You know what I mean? Like, you came in as a joke assassin to play your position. You know what I mean?

[C]

Start killing.

[A]

Just do that.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Just do the thing that you are good at. You don't have to be the. You know what I mean?

[B]

So with being on Weekend Update, would you then pitch to the other actors, the cast members, characters that they would do, or would they come to you and say, hey, I've got this character. I think we can add it into Weekend Update. How would that crossover happen? I always was so curious about that.

[A]

Yeah. So most of the time, it's cast coming to us being like, you know, what was that? That armadillo that, like, everybody loved? It was like an armadillo that was in the new. That Bowen played.

[B]

Oh, yes. No. Was it Armadillo or was it Mudang

[A]

the hippo? The hippo.

[B]

When he played Mudang, that was the funniest.

[A]

Yes. When he was like, Mudang as, like, is, like, kind of mapping it off of, like, Chapel roan.

[B]

Yes. And, like, getting all this paparazzi, like, all this attention.

[A]

Like, Bowen coming into the office, and he's like. So I have this, like, idea about, like, Mu Dang and, like, kind of mapping off of Chapel Roan and like. Like, the new popularity, and we were all just like, yes. Like, it was just, like, immediate. Yes. And that was just so easy because, you know, Bowen is, like. And Celeste, like, wrote that, and it was perfect.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

That truly was a perfect, perfect weekend update.

[A]

There's other ones where you are, like, we want. Or maybe the producers want something about this and they want it for this person. Or, like, it's. It really is, like, depends on the week, you know, it really is.

[B]

Who's your favorite celebrity guest that you

[C]

ever got to work with?

[A]

I really. I really. It's so funny because whenever you. Whenever you ask somebody this, they're just gonna say, like, weeks that, like, their sketches got to air. You know what I mean? Like, I'm like, Amy. You know what I mean? Amy Schumer, Keke Palmer, like. And Kiki. Actually, my sketch did not get to air on Kiki Palmer's, but it was, like, a sketch that I had so much fun writing that, like, Kiki seems incredible. Yes.

[B]

She seems so down to clown.

[A]

She's so funny. And we wrote this sketch for her that was, like, so, you know, everybody has, like, friends that give advice that you're like, no one wants what you have. You know what I mean? And so there was this friend that, like, I had to. I wanted to write a sketch about, and so I made Keke Palmer, like, a life coach.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And all these girls are at this party, like, a new moon ceremony.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And they're, like, writing down their goals for the season. And Heidi or somebody is like, so, you guys, I got a life coach for tonight. We're really excited, like, we're gonna do a new moon ceremony, set our intentions. Yes. Yeah. And so Kiki Palmer comes in as this life coach, and she's like. She's like, all right, this is the year. She's like, this year, we're all gonna stop sleeping with homeless men. And everybody. Everybody's just like.

[B]

Everyone's like, never. Never did that.

[A]

Yeah. Everybody's like, we don't do that. And then, like, Chloe Feynman's like, like, okay. Right? Yes. You know what I mean? And it's just like, she keeps. But she's not hearing it. She's like, I don't care how good he looks.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How.

[B]

How.

[A]

You know, if he comes up talking all sweet, moving all smooth, don't crawl in that trying to sell you a painting. You know what I mean? Like, you're like, damn. So, like, I just Wanted to like write that character so bad. And I went to dress and it was like there was just no end to it. Like by the end, the end of

[B]

it was you just kept, as a joker says you, like, I just keep adding and heightening the worst things that somebody could ever say.

[A]

Like, it was truly such an obvious, like, we can't find an ending for this. Like, James comes in as a homeless guy telling Kiki that she's pregnant. You know what I mean? Like, it was like, what?

[B]

So like, and at that point you're like, makes sense. You're running on 30 minutes of sleep. Yeah, right?

[A]

We're like, okay, it's like four in the morning. How do we wrap this up? So, and also like, James came in, like, not even looking. Like, he looked like Charles Dickens, homeless. Like a top hat and like so great. An orange in a hand, in one hand. It was really weird. So, yeah, he's hilarious.

[C]

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[B]

I absolutely adored your special mother. The mother load. Right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So good. You shot half of it pregnant.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Then after you had. Had Minnow. It's so, so funny. Jeff and I were laying in bed and all the jokes about, like, when you were giving birth, I mean, we were crying, laughing, you know, I love and adore you so much as an artist, but he's truly, like, one. He says, and I agree with him, like, one of the best specials I've

[C]

seen in the last 10 years.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

So good.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Yeah. Are you going to shoot another one? Well, you're working on an hour now. You're on the road.

[A]

Yeah, I'm on the. I'm on the road now. I'm working on another hour now. I really am. Like, it's hard to follow that special.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It was so personal, and it was so, like, you know, I. I feel like I just put so much of myself into that special, and I'm not somebody a lot of comics can, like, do something in a year.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That, like, it takes me three years to do. I just need, like, more time, you know, that's just how I am. That's just how I work.

[B]

So it's better quality over quantity.

[A]

Not necessarily. I mean, some people can really put out a great special in a year, and I'm like, I don't know how the fuck you did that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I got to, like, live a little bit and then see what is happening and see what I have to talk about. Yeah. And see what's just, like, grabbing my attention, you know, I'm currently in a bit of a life transition.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I loved your. Because you're getting divorced that you want to call your ex husband. You're your Beyonce. I think that's fantastic. I mean, it gives it a positive spin. Like, okay, hi, guys. This is my Beyonce.

[A]

Yes. And I really am kind of. You know, he's a comic. I'm a comic. There's. We love each other. We love our daughter. We just. It's just. We were like, it's not.

[B]

It is what it is. Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? And let's end it before we hate each other.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, so.

[B]

Or one of y' all is a homeless person or one of them Stepping over.

[A]

Yes. Yes, exactly. So I was like, yeah, let's do that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so now I'm kind of trying to write around that, which is difficult because most people who are, like, writing about their divorce, like, there's bad feelings, you know, But Andy and I still really love each other, so it's. It's tough to, like, get the audience to know that.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, also, too, because, you know, I saw that that was your kind of your divorce announcement was. I saw your bits. I was like, oh, I didn't know. And then it like, has he posted anything about getting divorced yet? Like, are y' all just gonna bit each other back and forth? Like, that's the mediation, where it's like, well, you put 16 clips up from your weekend, and I put 15.

[A]

I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he's. He's. He hasn't posted anything about the divorce yet. I mean, he's done. He talks about it on his podcast and stuff, but I don't know. Like, I. I haven't seen his jokes about it. They could be devastating. You know, I could be like, you know, we still really love each other, and he's out there just being like this. Like, I have no idea.

[B]

Listen, my sister's a criminal defense attorney, and she said that one day she was, like, trying to figure out what law she was going to do, and she went and sat in a family law, and she was like, that's the darkest shit I've ever been a part of.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Like, that. Like, crazy. Because you see two people that really, genuinely loved each other, and then they're like. Like, it brings out a demonic side of a human.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like now, you know, we're. We're splitting the pool table.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And believe me, that started to happen, and it's like, it has happened. We've had moments where we're like, you know what I mean? But we still keep a sense of humor about it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So there's this, like, kind of like, we're go. We're, like, goofing off even when we're being to each other.

[C]

Right.

[A]

So, yeah. I mean, it's. I'm not gonna lie. It's hard.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Especially with a kid. It's really hard.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I've never had to, like, break up professionally. You know, I've always been able to, like, ghost that or, like, block them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He is still in my life. Like, I still have to see him. I still have to be like, when can you pick her up? What? You know what and he has to

[B]

be like, she just saw a dead body.

[A]

Yes. He has to be like, she just saw a dead body. FYI, if you hear anything about it. And then, like, two minutes later, she's like, why did the world. You know what I mean?

[B]

Honestly? And that's where you. That's where you pin it on him. You go, you know what? You're at daddy's house this weekend. You ask him that. You know what I mean? You ask daddy, because I can't handle that.

[A]

Yeah. Just ask daddy. And he will tell you something devastating.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That. That is tough. That is tough. And I mean, and you're navigating so much. I hate to be, like, you know, out there, Rosebud's being a girl boss. She's, you know, promoting her book and on the road and all that. But it is a different. You're living the way we move as comics and the way we travel. It's just a whole nother ball. It really is. And there's plenty of other people out there who live lives where they travel every weekend, but it is. It's gnarly. It's bring your kid to work day every weekend.

[A]

It is gnarly.

[B]

And you're, like, in the back of a scary comedy club in Denver, you know?

[A]

Yeah. I will never forget doing a comedy club. I won't say where, but I was not warned that there was no door to the green room. It is just a curtain between the audience and the stage. And I was. It was like a tiny comedy club. And she was backstage, and every time they laughed, she would scream, no. And it was like, okay, well, this is disaster. This is gonna be a disaster. You know what I mean? So it is, like, it's really tough to. To do it. I will say it was tough before, but now that I'm doing it, like, solo, I. I have this weird pride that I didn't have in myself before. I'm like, wow, like, look at this.

[B]

Look at this.

[A]

You know what I mean? I really hope that I make enough money off of this book that I don't have to be touring while she's, like, in school.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's why everyone's going to be buying Fully baked by Rosebud Baker. I'll be ordering 100 copies and putting them in my office, because this bitch is one of my favorite people on the planet. You need to be a New York Times bestseller. I will tell you this, though, Rosebud. If I don't get tagged in the video when you get the call from the agent. I'm obsessed with these right now.

[A]

I know.

[B]

It's springtime. So everyone's releasing their book, and everybody's sitting at lunch, and they're like, oh, my God, it's my editor. Oh, my God, it's my agent. And then they get the video. They're like, guess what, Claire? You're a New York Times bestselling author. And they're like, screaming at a Hillstones, like, I die for this, and I'll be buying so many books that I better get a. I better be tagged in the video.

[A]

At least I will. I'm going to need you to jump in if I don't get New York, because we're going to need to make the video anyway. Okay. So we need to make a video that is like, either it's me finding out that I didn't, and it's me crying, but it's not happening.

[B]

I'm just dressed as the server at Hillstone, and I'm, like, bringing in a spinach dip. Yeah. And it's like, hey, so did you guys want extra hot sauce with this? And you're like, I didn't fucking make the list. Just freaking the fuck out. Yes. And then maybe you pull me by my tie, you know, because they all

[A]

wear a tie, you fucking cunt.

[B]

You didn't buy my book. And then you slap me, and that's what goes viral. And then guess what happens right after that. That you become a New York Times bestselling author.

[A]

You're goddamn right. Yeah.

[B]

Reverse marketing. That's what we do here.

[A]

That's how we do it.

[B]

That's how we do it.

[A]

That's how we do it.

[B]

So how many books do you have to sell? Let's just talk number. Let's crunch numbers and put it out there.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

You don't know?

[A]

I don't even know. I'm just like.

[B]

Just because it would be a sliding scale, right? It's whoever gets released that week, I think. So it's like, you know, when you're.

[A]

Is it week or month? I should know all of this.

[B]

When you release a special, you know, you're like, okay, well, who else is coming out that week? You know, Am I gonna get buried?

[A]

I know, like, when I'm. But I'm putting out a special, I, like, know the game. But, like, with a book, I'm like, I don't know.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I don't know what the rules are.

[B]

Okay. Five to ten thousand. That's doable. We can do that.

[A]

We can definitely.

[B]

We can do that.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

We can absolutely do it. Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, let's find out. We're gonna find out, and then what we're gonna do is we're gonna. Something horrible is going to happen to their family that week, so that they have to postpone.

[A]

Unfortunately, they are not available for pr. They cannot do any interviews.

[B]

No interviews.

[A]

Sadly, there was something happened with Delta.

[B]

Yeah. Grandma was doing insider trading and we have blackmailed her.

[A]

Yes. Yeah. Yes. The grandma doing insider trading. Yeah, that's.

[B]

Grandma's not going to do time, you know.

[A]

Yeah. Nobody's going to. Nobody's going to fault the writer.

[B]

Yeah, no one's going to fault the writer. It's adjacent.

[A]

Yeah. Most people are going to be impressed by the grandma.

[B]

Yeah. Be like, damn, I wish you would have given me some.

[A]

She's on top of her shit.

[B]

So.

[A]

Yeah, she's tech savvy.

[B]

She's tech savvy. We love that. Okay, so I definitely think this is doable. When does the book come out? Is it out now?

[A]

June 9th.

[B]

June 9th.

[A]

But it's available for pre sale.

[B]

And that's the thing. We're all about a pre sale.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You know, I'm doing a cruise. Whenever we're doing. On tour, you got a pre sale.

[A]

Nothing pre sale does add to the numbers.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

To. To the numbers for the week.

[B]

You know what I mean? So, like, we need a pre sale.

[A]

Like, get the book. Get it. Wherever you get your books, it's available. Amazon, you know, rosebudbaker.com you can. Wherever you get it. Right. So doesn't matter.

[B]

Doesn't matter. Yeah, just get that.

[A]

Just get the book.

[B]

Get the book. We need a New York Times bestseller, because if not, she's gonna slap me in the wall.

[A]

And it's cute. It's a cute cover.

[B]

It's very cute. You know who did your artwork?

[C]

It's great.

[A]

I designed the. That was my concept. But Mindy Tucker, the ultimate.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

The ultimate.

[A]

Mindy Tucker did it with me.

[B]

She's pretty. Rosebud, here's the thing that this is one of the reasons why I really always.

[C]

When I met Rosebud, I loved her. And I just met Blair.

[B]

I met your bestie, Blair.

[A]

I love Blair so much.

[B]

Blair is fantastic. And Blair, I was looking at her, I was like, blair, you don't have a wrinkle on your face. And I realized one of the reasons why I love you and Blair so is everyone's pretty. You know what I mean? It's like,

[A]

Blair's got peptides.

[B]

She's. Oh, she's.

[A]

All the peptides tell you that she.

[B]

She's sending me her plug because I want to be peptided up. Apparently not. Just. It's. The GLP ones are not enough. We also need to be on the red and all these other peptides. I'm going to be peptided out because I'm about to do IVF again in July to try and get another embryo.

[A]

Bless you.

[B]

My body is so low right now on everything. I'm, like, constantly in a. At a sinus affection cycle. I'm like, I have to get right. And she's like, we're gonna peptide you up. She goes, I get Botox in every single pore of my face.

[A]

Are you doing the. Are you doing the. What is it? The needles in the back?

[B]

Oh, the acupuncture.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I'll be doing the deep. I'll be doing the dry needling. The acupuncture.

[A]

All I did acupuncture. And that helped.

[B]

Yeah. I've got. And that's the thing is last time when I did it, I didn't know enough. And now that I know, I'm like, okay, I have to be, like, fully holistic.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I'm, you know, like, I've really got to take care of myself, but I want. I want to be juiced up. I want to be on everything.

[A]

Me too. And she's like, I'm getting on estrogen. I'm getting on progesterone.

[B]

So you're doing the hormone replacement?

[A]

I'm gonna do all of it. Yeah.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah. I'm doing peptides hormone hrt and I'm. I haven't started HRT yet, but I'm starting, like, this week.

[B]

Isn't it crazy that I think it was less than 10 years ago HRT was, like, banned.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

For women.

[B]

And now they're like, hrt a human. And if you don't know what that is, not human. Hormone replacement therapy is one of the greatest things.

[A]

I could use a human replacement.

[B]

I could also use a human. I could use a lobotomy. I could use that, like, 20 years ago.

[A]

We could get somebody to just step in for a few.

[B]

God. And that's where I'm anti AI, But I'm like, microchip me. I'm too tired to think.

[A]

I know. I know. You know same.

[B]

Where can everybody find you right now? On tour, on the road.

[A]

I am on the road almost every weekend, so. Rosewoodbaker summers. Yeah. I work through the Summers this week. I think I have this week off. But I will be back on the road again. I'm doing Chicago soon. I'm doing Vermont. I'm doing Chicago's the best comedy city. Yeah.

[B]

Period. Love. Every time I'm there, I'm like, God, they just get it.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Good. They're the best audiences.

[A]

Yes. And if you left somebody recently, definitely come, because it's going to be a lot of that.

[B]

We love that.

[A]

It'll be very validating.

[B]

You need that validation. We're also gonna talk about hormone replacement therapy. Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

See, being a woman is so hard.

[A]

It is, it is. And I know that we are. We're always, like, patting ourselves on the back when it's like. It's hard.

[B]

It's so hard. And then I am. I've never now been more critical of other women than. Than when I'm, like, tired. I'm like, yeah, you dumb cunts. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, oh, okay. You think you can do it all? Good luck to you.

[A]

Yeah. No, I think really turning 35, like, radicalized me in a way that, like, I, you know, I was, like, I was a feminist in my 20s, but I had no idea.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What I was heading into. And I'm glad I was a feminist then, because. But there was still a lot of me that was like. Like, I just don't think it's that hard to be a woman. And it's like. Well, yeah, because you're. You're still reaping the benefits, but you don't realize that they're not benefits. They're just. It's a.

[B]

Actually working against you.

[A]

It's a bait and switch.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That you're heading towards, and you're like. You're like, wow, this is great. You know when you watch like. Like old in Madagascar, where they're like, they make you a king for a day. You know what I mean? And they give you all these things because they're gonna sacrifice you again. It's like, that's what being a woman is.

[B]

That is what. That's the best. Best example of what being a woman is.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Truly.

[A]

Yeah. They, like, they. They stuff you and they go. They treat you like a God until you turn 35. And then they are really 30. And then they get. They go.

[B]

They send you out of pasture.

[A]

Yeah. And now we're gonna sacrifice you.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

At the altar. Yeah. Of the patriarchy.

[B]

And there is nothing more humbling than

[C]

being 39 and going into a fertility

[B]

clinic and just having those conversations.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

It's like, you know what? Okay, great.

[A]

They just make you feel like you're dead in the water.

[B]

Dead in the water. Dead in the water.

[A]

They go, well, we're surprised you made it in today. It's an to be looking you in your live eyes, really.

[B]

Like, we're surprised you made it through your 30s while you're still with us.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And now who brought you here?

[B]

Who brought you here?

[A]

And who's going to walk you home?

[B]

Yeah. And how did you got out of the chair? We didn't think you were going to be able to get out of the chair.

[A]

Yeah, Most people don't make it past the waiting room. You're like, what the.

[B]

Yeah. Being a woman is a humiliation ritual. It's, it's, it's, it's humility at every turn. And we're out here. Okay, Rosebud. Well, I'm going to buy a billion books. I love you. And everybody can buy [e-mail]. get the book support, women, writing, doing things.

[A]

Listen, if for any reason a link doesn't work, just go to Amazon.

[C]

Just go to Amazon.

[A]

I don't. Listen, I don't care.

[B]

Walk into a Barnes and Noble. If you love a brick and mortar, but just buy it.

[A]

Yeah, walk into a Barnes and Noble.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, nobody leaves their house. So I'm just going to say Amazon.

[B]

Yeah, just say Amazon.

[A]

Nobody's. It's between you and me. Nobody's going to know.

[B]

Do the voodoo that you do and support women writers and comics and go see Rosebud on the road. Rosebud, I love you. I adore you.

[A]

I love you so much.

[B]

I mean, this is my girl. And at the end of the day, you know, even if you hate female comics, she's pretty to look at and she's got great perky tips and it's snatched waist. So there you go.

[A]

Yes.

[E]

Yes.

[B]

Female empowerment feminism. All right, I'll see you guys on the next episode. Ciao bella.

[C]

Or over there G by.

[B]

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