Ole Miss Divas with Jay Jurden

Summary

Podcast Summary: Absolutely Not

Episode: Ole Miss Divas with Jay Jurden
Host: Heather McMahan
Guest: Jay Jurden
Date: May 13, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this vibrant and nostalgia-packed episode, comedian Heather McMahan welcomes fellow Ole Miss alum and standup star Jay Jurden. Together, they reminisce about their time in the University of Mississippi’s BFA acting program, share hilarious campus and Southern stories, dissect the transition from theater to standup, and discuss building a career in comedy. The episode is loaded with honest industry insights, sharp punchlines, theater-teacher gossip, and candid reflections on identity, queerness, and life outside the stage. It’s a Southern diva summit full of heart and punchy banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Ole Miss Theater Days: The BFA Backstory

• Reflections on College:
  • Both Heather and Jay look back on the “underrated, but for a reason” University of Mississippi theater experience.
  • They describe juggling rigorous performance classes with hard-partying Greek and Southern college culture.
• Department Culture:
  • Theater building next to the ROTC—cue absurd scenes of yoga and Meisner exercises interrupted by military drills ([02:08]).
  • Unfiltered honesty about awkward acting class experiences and eccentric faculty (“one teacher always sucked on an apple…” [07:05]).
  • Early 2000s culture clash—the queerness, their subversive humor, and the tension between academic “seriousness” and comedy aspirations.
• Comedy as Undervalued
  • “Our humor was not nurtured in that building. It was a good early indicator of how people really don’t respect comedy.” – Jay ([04:26])
  • Professors urging them to focus on seriousness, overlooking their natural comedic impulses.
  • Heather as “a young, vibrant Winnie the Pooh…just coming in blonde, looking for honey, making people laugh” ([03:37]).

The Importance of Living Outside "the Art"

• Personal Growth:
  • Both stress that living a well-rounded life, not just being consumed by “the art,” is essential for good acting and comedy ([07:32]).
  • Jay: “You want the people who want to be actors to have a rich outer life so that they can bring that shit to the stage.” ([07:40])
  • Heather takes summers off to experience life and gather material ([08:14]), while Jay jokes, “I can’t have a good joke about a sex party if I don’t go to Fire Island.” ([08:47])

Transitioning to Comedy: New York Hustle

• Jay’s Move to NYC:
  • Sold his car and dove into the city’s standup scene after grad school in Alabama ([10:14]).
  • First set at a gay bar in Hell’s Kitchen, then moved through open mics to winning the Comedy Mob competition, which landed him an agent ([19:05]–[20:00]).
• Industry Realities & Rejection:
  • Both faced skepticism from professors, agents, and gatekeepers who expected them to stick with “serious” acting ([20:00]–[20:42]).
  • “Sometimes you say, I really want to do this, and some people just don’t believe you. You go, well, I’m going to do it.” – Jay ([20:42])

Marketing, Social Media, & Generational Change

• Then vs. Now:
  • The drastic shift from 2009 pre-Instagram/TikTok to today’s landscape where young comics must hustle, market, and diversify online ([13:30]).
  • Heather: “If you don’t have a YouTube, if you’re not doing 65 things on TikTok and everything else, you’re not going to make it.” ([14:07])
• Showcase Experiences:
  • Both discuss standing out by doing something different—Heather was the only one to get an agent after doing standup at her showcase ([10:41]).

Creative Process & Material Development

• Building an Hour:
  • Jay likes to have “too much,” then shapes it down, holding onto bits that don’t fit for next time ([26:21]).
  • Treats joke-writing like a “sourdough starter” and riffs at his Brooklyn show, sometimes turning spontaneous moments into set pieces ([28:08]).
  • Heather is obsessive and physical—a heavy planner who writes and tests material extensively.
• Absurd Notes:
  • “New Thoughts: Kind of a perfect time to get into feet. I’m trying to get into feet more.” – Heather, from her phone notes ([28:29])
  • Hysterical tangent about OnlyFans, foot fetishes, and how easy money can be made with “simple stuff like a feet. Simple stuff like a clavicle” ([28:49])

Club Culture, Performing for Different Crowds, and Identity

• Performing for Tough Rooms:
  • They share war stories, from elderly benefit crowds to “demographic misfires,” and how these gigs sharpen your comedy instincts ([30:30]).
  • “You do have those wonderful things where, like, it almost, like, is a perfect counter to you…you basically get to really curate a really good and, I don’t know, like, cool audience now.” – Jay ([31:24])
• Building Community:
  • Jay takes pride in having a cross-section of fans: queer, straight, young, old, comedy nerds, and couples ([32:40]).
• Mississippi & Queerness:
  • Deep dive into state culture, fraternities (“Sigma Nu was the gayest fraternity and they were the most Mississippi” – Heather [22:33]), and the “secret language” of Southern queerness ([23:01]).
• Comedy Industry Biases:
  • Both faced prejudices: “As a queer person, as a woman, the amount of times people are like, well, I don’t know if I respect you as much as this, like, kind of born ass straight dude.” – Jay ([12:40])

Showbiz & Writing Talk: Big Breaks, Special Releases, TV

• Jay’s Achievements:
  • First comedy album, Hulu special, actively working on a new hour, developing TV shows ([25:40], [54:06]).
  • Writing credits including work for Jon Stewart (“He’s a very good boss. He’s a great person, and an even better boss” – Jay [55:39]).
  • “It was my first room…Chelsea devontes…she was very adamant that you be the person that got the job in front of Jon.” ([56:03])
• Red Carpets & Comedy on TV:
  • Heather discusses her red-carpet hosting (legacy of Joan Rivers) and the challenge of balancing authenticity with “buttoned up” TV constraints ([57:20], [58:03]).
  • Jay and Heather praise the autonomy that standup gives compared to other entertainment work ([58:20]–[59:02]).
• Comic Community at Festivals:
  • Mutual excitement about the Netflix Is a Joke Fest atmosphere, running into peers, and ongoing creativity pressures ([58:57]–[61:36]).

Southern and Ole Miss Lore

• SEC Football Drama:
  • Animated “absolutely not” about Lane Kiffin’s coaching moves, with Jay roasting the football coach ([36:01]).
  • “You evil son of a bitch. Oh my God. You lied to them boys. You lied to everybody. But I wouldn’t expect nothing less from a man who goes to hot yoga just to ogle moms.” – Jay ([36:01])
• Legendary Sorority and Frat Tales:
  • Candid talk about party culture, sorority life, and covert queerness in Greek life ([03:11], [21:59]).
  • “The calls are coming from inside the house. Your mother is gay.” – Heather, on the closeted culture of Sigma Nu ([23:01])
• Insider Ole Miss Gossip:
  • Stories about “nut rag” towels, eccentric teachers, and iconic campus archetypes ([39:00], [47:37]).

Life After College and Current Hustle

• Touring & Cities:
  • Jay and Heather love Chicago as a test ground for new material, and trade notes on audience attitudes in places from Fire Island to Portland ([44:29]–[45:20], [45:24]).
  • Insider’s view on Fire Island gigs—“we do the show inside speedos” in Cherry Grove ([45:54]).
• Airport and Travel Bits:
  • Running Delta Platinum jokes, airport food reviews (Atlanta, LAX, and the infamous “bomb on the inside” hot dogs), and dealing with Delta’s lounges ([64:13]).
  • “Why are you building a bomb on the inside? I don’t need you bouncing up and down through turbulence with a couple hot dogs. No.” – Jay ([64:41])

Vision Boards, Manifestation, and Support

• What’s Next for Jay & Heather:
  • Jay aims to sell a TV show, continue doing specials, and stay active in standup ([53:54]).
  • They dream up co-writing a buddy comedy about two Southern women solving a murder mystery (“We have to solve this mystery, this murder mystery in the south. And we’re showing up to gas stations in the Delta…” – Jay [62:34]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Ole Miss:
  • “Imagine a young, vibrant Winnie the Pooh is what I want you to picture. And that was Heather in undergrad, just coming in blonde, looking for honey, making people laugh.” – Jay ([03:37])
• On Comedy in Theater:
  • “They were like, Jay, not everything’s a joke. And I go, I get it.” – Jay ([04:34])
• On Standup Hustle:
  • “Every time you do a good set or…have a good tape…that’s like an amazing audition. So you don’t feel as crazy about all the shit you didn’t book that week.” – Jay ([58:20])
• On SEC Football:
  • “You lied to them boys. You lied to everybody. But I wouldn’t expect nothing less from a man who goes to hot yoga just to ogle moms. Was that dog even yours? We don’t know.” – Jay, on Lane Kiffin ([36:01])
• On Audience Approval:
  • “When I am making the black female security guard laugh her ass off…That’s when I know I’ve had a great show.” – Heather ([34:12])
• On the Comedy Scene:
  • “We kind of coalition build. So you have this group that loves you and this group that loves you, and maybe they’ve never been in the same room before…” – Jay ([31:24])
• On Early Social Media:
  • “Where are we gonna put it? The phone’s in there wasn’t YouTube.” – Jay ([13:36])
• On OnlyFans Side Hustles:
  • “Simple stuff like a feet. Simple stuff like a clavicle…We’re working too hard.” – Jay ([28:49])
• On Legacy:
  • “I really believe in, like, speaking it out…I want to sell a TV show.” – Jay ([53:54])
• On Support:
  • “I’m so proud of you. I’m so happy for us. Cause, like, just to…Who the Thunk?” – Jay ([67:32])

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Important Timestamps

• [01:03] – Undergrad stories and “theater department next to ROTC”
• [03:37] – Jay describes Heather as Winnie the Pooh of Ole Miss
• [07:32] – Living outside your art
• [08:47] – The need to “go live life” for standup material
• [10:14] – Jay’s move to NYC and first agent
• [13:30] – Then vs. now: social media and personal hustle
• [20:42] – On being doubted by teachers and agents
• [26:21] – Jay’s creative process for an hour of standup
• [28:29] – Reading absurd joke notes & OnlyFans riff
• [34:12] – Heather’s “black female security guard” metric for killing a show
• [36:01] – Lane Kiffin “absolutely not” roast
• [44:29]–[45:20] – Touring cities, Fire Island, and test audiences
• [53:54] – “Absolutely yes to…”: Jay’s manifestation for his career
• [55:39] – Working for Jon Stewart
• [62:34] – Buddy comedy brainstorm (“Earl had to die” southern divas)

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Conclusion

This episode is a hilarious, heartfelt hangout for anyone who grew up Southern (or wishes they did), is chasing creative dreams, or just loves hearing comedians peel back the curtain. Heather and Jay’s chemistry sparkles as they riff on everything from university trauma to Netflix deals, with just the right amount of tea on eccentric professors and Southern football. If you love a meandering, joke-studded convo about comedy, queerness, old friends, and never taking yourself too seriously, this is a must-listen.

Where to find Jay:
@jayjurden on all platforms. Check out his special "Yes, Ma’am" on Hulu.

Heather’s socials:
@heatherkmcmahon

Final wisdom:
“Who the thunk?” ([67:36]) – Sometimes the divas really do make it out of Mississippi.

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Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome to the Absolutely Not Podcast, where we do the most and the least at the same damn time. I'm your host, Heather McMahon. I want to start a fire. Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to another episode of the Absolutely Not Podcast. I am so excited to talk to a very important guest today. We are from the same alma mater. We are just two Southern Mississippi gals out here doing the most, and we're here for Netflix as a joke. Jay Jurden.

[B]

Welcome to the podcast, Heather McMahon. Thank you for having me.

[A]

Honey, people don't know that we go. Oh, fans, we go way back.

[B]

I mean, we don't want to say forever.

[A]

We don't want to age ourselves, whatever

[B]

casting age they need us to be, but we go way back. Way back, Way back. Undergrad back.

[A]

Undergrad back. We were in the same BFA acting program we were and in Mississippi, which was an underrated educational situation, but also for a reason.

[B]

You know, I mean, the best part about Ole Miss is that you got a party school, but then you also had a pretty rigorous theater program. So, like, I will always tell people the reason any of us were good is because a lot of times we had to act like we weren't hungover.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That was, like, the first thing.

[A]

Yes, I was professionally not hungover.

[B]

The ability to be like, can I piggyback off this?

[A]

Yeah. Do you know how many times I had to go to ballet? My, like, one dance elective, and the dance teacher was like, you're too heavy to be a ballerina. And also, you smell like gin. And I was like, yes, you are right. You are right, Marisol. I am.

[B]

I remember, like, going to the theater classes and then having to go to regular classes. That was the thing. Like, having to go to English and then go to an acting class or, like, vice versa. You'd be like, my brain has to be in such a different space. Cause in one class, I'm like, okay, let me see if I can analyze this text. And then the next class is like, roll around on the fl. Roll around on the floor like a baby. Goo goo ga ga. And people don't

[A]

realize that our theater department, Isom hall, where we trained, we were classically trained, was right next to the ROTC building. So we would be in our yoga outfits, rolling around, doing breath work, doing Meisner technique, all of this heavy, heady shit. And then the guys outside would literally be, like, setting off guns or, I

[B]

mean, and if we get into the queerness of it all, or those guys would be Like, I hate gay people. And I'd be like, but check your phone. Check his phone. Actually, check his phone specifically. Ye. The cute one. Get him.

[A]

Yeah. And you were peeping Tom in the window right now. We really had an insane program.

[B]

You were getting naked in the same studio. I mean, once again it was.

[A]

It was a two early aughts.

[B]

Once again, it's us becoming aunties. It was a different time.

[A]

It was a different time.

[B]

It was a different time. But we would get naked together just to change into like what we were gonna wear. Cause like also like people don't even know. Like back then you went to college and you truly kind of dressed like shit. At the beginning of from like pretty much freshman year up until like you had stuff to do. You were like, I'm gonna look terrible.

[A]

Yeah. And I was in a sorority, so the only thing that I wore was the giant oversized fraternity T shirt or sorority T shirt with the Nike shorts underneath. So I looked like I had no low pants on.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And that with the Nikes or the New Balances and the North Face jacket and like a faux Gucci that I bought off ebay. And so I was really riding a fine line. We were all trying to find our identity within the theater department. And I was like very dedicated to the art. But I also enjoy the social aspect of the sorority. And they did not like that.

[B]

Imagine a young, vibrant Winnie the Pooh is what I want you to picture. And that was Heather in undergrad, just coming in blonde, looking for honey, making people laugh. And then like everyone. Cuz I was in the class right behind Heather. So we all love. We loved you. We like Heather. So I love you. I loved you. And then what would happen is teachers be like, but she's not taking it serious enough.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No.

[A]

Jay, we talked about this last night at the bar. The first thing I grabbed you, I was like, how did we get out of that program?

[B]

Oh my goodness.

[A]

They would not to shit on the whole program.

[B]

No, no, no. There's so many people who were supportive and happy of what we're doing now.

[A]

But it is wild because we are the two standups that came out of this. And I feel like we had a moment last night of talking about our talent and particularly what we wanted to do. Our humor was not nurtured in that building.

[B]

Both from a, if we look at it macro and micro. It was a good early indicator of how people really don't respect comedy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

From an industry standpoint. And also just personally, people will be like, yeah, you're funny, but, like, what else? And you go, well, if funny is the thing, then, you know. Luckily, we both found out, like, when you're very kind of good and focused at stand up when you do it, then a bunch of other opportunities will pop up. But kind of. They were reversing that. They were kind of reversing that when we were in undergrad. They were like, well, you have to be super serious. And I go, yeah, but I really like being funny. Like, it's hard to tell people that. Like, they go, jay, not everything's a joke. And I go, I get it. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Angels in America age.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Terrible. Very sad. Terrible.

[B]

Never. Never again. So bad. I'm on prep now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

At the time, I was like, we do have to have a little fun. We have to have some fun.

[A]

We have to have fun.

[B]

It's a theater department.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

It's silly. And this was like. This was like, right when Glee was picking up. So we actually. We did.

[A]

We were Gleed out.

[B]

Here's the crazy part. Ryan Murphy actually owes us some money because every now we would have football players take a theater class.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So we were doing Glee before it was popular a little bit.

[A]

I was in, you know, one of the sidebar elective film classes that we had. Cause that wasn't a real department. And I was supposed to do a scene with this. The. With this football player. And it was a pretty intimate scene. And our film teacher at the time was a little bit of a pervert.

[B]

We loved him, but he was a

[A]

little bit of a pervert.

[B]

I love the French. Yeah, the French pronunciation.

[A]

And the sweet kid came to me, and he was like, hey, I really am just taking this for, like, an elective. My girlfriend's not gonna feel. And I was like, honestly, I don't really feel comfortable. It has nothing to do with the fact, but it was just, like. It was an awkward scene, and our teacher was kind of a creep. And I was like, I hear you. So I wrote an email to him, like, hey, he didn't want to do this scene. He thinks his girlfriend's going to get upset. I don't necessarily want to do the scene. And it was like the biggest thing that I wasn't dedicated to, the art. I was like, I know that you're watching these videos and your tight jean shorts in a perverted way. Please, can we just do something where, like, a buddy comedy, like, what are we doing?

[B]

And you know what I say to that? God rest his soul.

[A]

God rest his soul. Love him. We won't say his name, but we love him.

[B]

Yeah, he's. He's looking up or looking down and just.

[A]

Yeah, he is. He is with us in spirit and still judging and staring at your tent.

[B]

May his memory be a blessing. But there was like, there were like a couple of times where I specifically remember being in a scene and being like, oh, man, like, we're undergrads and we're like having this like really sort of like sexy, sultry scene and we're having a kiss and stuff. And it is just like a couple of like 40s and 50 year olds looking at us. And I go, this is kind of crazy.

[A]

This is kind of crazy.

[B]

Hey, this is preparing me for some casting couch stuff.

[A]

And we had one teacher who just always sucked on an apple. And it was weird. And by the end of our four hour studio session, the apple was down to the core and the seeds were on the corner of the desk and we were. I remember just thinking, we gotta get outta here.

[B]

I gotta get.

[A]

I got a date party to get too. They did not like Jay, that I enjoyed the sorority and the social aspect of it. And we were always hungover. But I was able to do both things. Like, I loved going to the theater and I loved going to a frat party. It was just like, why can't. Why can't two things be true?

[B]

But I think one thing that you learned and that I learned and people kind of do learn is like, if you want to be a good actor, also if you want to be a good comic.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You have to live a life that has enough experience that you can use it both as an actor or as a comedian. So if the only thing you've ever wanted to do is be an actor, then you might have never been fired. You've never been late, you've never been heartbroken, you've never been frustrated about shit that wasn't connected to, like, your art. So then you don't have any kind of outside experiences to draw from. And so, like, as a person who, like, I was kind of in the same boat where, like, I was doing a bunch of other stuff. I love the theater department, but I also had, like, other stuff going on. You want the people who want to be actors to have a rich outer life so that they can bring that shit to the stage. I believe.

[A]

Well, and I do that in my standup, and I know you do that in your stand up. Like, I travel, I go live a life, I take the summers off and listen, our standup styles could not be more different. You are such a. And I love.

[B]

They're very similar in some spots every now and then. Yeah.

[A]

But, like, you are an incredible. Like, it's just punch, punch, punch. And I am physical and storytelling, and I am obsessed with your specials. Like, I love you. I think you're so fucking funny.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

But I think we have this shared creative process in the sense of, like, I take the summers off, I go live my life. I have to have, like, you have to get out of the club and go live life.

[B]

I can't have a good joke about a sex party if I don't go to Fire Island.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Thank you. It's not authentic at that point.

[A]

I cannot have a good joke about fighting with my husband in the Milan airport if I don't fight with him in the Milan airport. Yeah, you gotta go live that shit.

[B]

But it's like, it's hard to tell people that because I think so much. I mean, so much of, like, wanting to be an artist now. Like, everyone starts so early, and, like, we knew we wanted to act, we knew we wanted to perform, but we also were like, I don't know what else I'm gonna have to do. Like, I had to be a personal trainer when I first moved to New York. There's a lot of stuff that you have to do on the path to being a 100% performer all the time. So that's the other thing. Like. Cause kids now, they basically have, like, such a specialized adolescence. Like, it's the kids that go, oh, I'm not gonna play a bunch of sports. I have to play baseball from three and nothing else. And you kind of go, well, I do need you to vary your interest a bit because.

[A]

Diversify the portfolio.

[B]

Yeah. You might be missing out on stuff that you really like. Just, like, from an acting and comedy standpoint, you might be missing out on experiences that would make you funnier.

[A]

Now, you're born and raised Canton, Mississippi.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

So originally from Mississippi, and then you went to Alabama and got a master's in fine arts, Right? In acting.

[B]

In acting. And I was teaching, so I was a teacher. I had to teach. I say it was conversion therapy, but they call it Introduction to the Theater for non majors. But it's the same, right? I was pointing at kids and be like, hey, you like this? They go, yeah. I go, gay, Gay. They go, no. I go, I see it, I see it. So I did that, and I was there for three years. And then I went to New York. I moved to New York in 2015.

[A]

Amazing.

[B]

Yeah, I knew New York. I, like, sold my car. And so that also was like, well, I guess it is New York.

[A]

Yeah. Honestly, I'm so impressed that you went and got a master's and, like, continued the education.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

I was so just, I don't know, beaten down by the program. By the time I graduated, I told them. I was like. I mean, the first day of freshman year, I said, I'm moving to New York and we're doing snl. And then as soon as I graduated, I was out and I went to New York and I was like, let's do UCB and, you know, graduate. Grind it out and do that thing. But we both did. Cause you're a year younger than me. We both did the showcase.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Where our school took us up to New York. And it was always a showcase with some, like, very small university. It was like Kansas State Community College and everyone. And it would all be me and all musical theater majors. And I did Stand up and was the only one that year who got an agent because I did something different. And you were also always riding 100 miles an hour in your own lane, and that's why you've been so successful. Jay.

[B]

Thank you. I mean, like, I look back and, like, the stuff that, like, I started then that, like, still affects me now is that, like, I was, like. I was, like, writing roast jokes for, like, the senior roast, and I was, like, always trying to, like, we, like, had a standup section in one of our BFA chunks that we were studying thanks to Rory. Like, we got to watch Stand Up.

[A]

But I remember Shout out to Rory.

[B]

Shout out to Rory, our favorite teacher. I love that section specifically because I was like, oh, this is, like, really good. And we got to look at. To look at a stand up performance. We would write it out. So we transcribe it and then scan it and basically found, like, what the objectives and the goals were. And the tactics were basically using acting principles and applying them to stand up, which is something we both still do, where it's like, okay, this is actually what I'm going for with this joke. This is actually what I'm going for with this story. This is what I want to do. This is how I want to do this triplet. So I look back and I go, oh, this was kind of where it started for me.

[A]

Wait, I am so jealous that you had that. I mean, clearly that happened your year. I graduated.

[B]

They kind of. Yeah, we got that.

[A]

I mean, Rory was our. Was he our. He wasn't our voice. And Speech voice and speech teacher. And when Rory came in, man, he changed the game. Cause he was a big advocate for me, too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, when we did Commedia dell' art, and with Shakespeare, he was like, just go for it. He let me be free.

[B]

She's learning. You heard Commedia dell'. Arte.

[A]

She knows.

[B]

She knows about Arlecchino and pantalone.

[A]

And we did it all.

[B]

Colombina.

[A]

Yeah, but we did. Cause he let me be free in those moments. Right. And I mean, listen, all this is as old as it can be, but all comedy comes is deeply rooted in drama.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

So the fact that they were like, well, you guys gotta be more serious. I'm like, oh, you know how dark this humor is?

[B]

And, like, oh, my God. Exactly. And, like, the fact that, like, both of us, like, both of us know how to make jokes about, like, the loss of a parent. Both of us know how to make jokes about not being taken seriously by the industry. Like, as a. As a queer person, as a woman, the amount of times people are like, well, I don't know if I respect you as much as this, like, kind of born ass straight dude. And you're like, shit, okay. Like, all of those things and those feelings that they were trying to, like, I don't know, like, make us focus on, I was like, I'm gonna have that. We're gonna have so many sad moments throughout this career. I don't necessarily need to. My first.

[A]

To be sad now. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Or even, like, I think from a market value standpoint, you kind of want to stand out. Like you said with your showcase, where, like, if I did a sad scene, I was like, well, I'm just another young kid who kind of did a sad scene. If I do, like, two funny scenes, they go, who's that guy? Right? He's very funny. And, like, I think that's something that I wish more people would know.

[A]

The kids are now learning, though, how to market themselves. We did not have that. And it was in 2009 when I graduated. It was a completely different game.

[B]

The phone. Listen, where are we gonna put it?

[A]

Where are we gonna put it?

[B]

The phone's in there wasn't YouTube.

[A]

I mean, they were going to put in the Daily Mississippian, like, photos of us dressing clowns, like there was nothing happening. And I moved directly to New York and just dove into it and. And got into it. And I go back sometimes and, you know, we'll see the kids and I. And I. And Renee, one of our musical theater teachers is like, you got to be less harsh on these kids. But I go back and I kind of scare them straight. I'm like, if you don't have a YouTube, if you're not doing 65 things on TikTok and everything else, you're not going to make it.

[B]

Heather walks in, smashes a glass bottle and goes, this is what the industry does to you. Holds it up undergrad's neck.

[A]

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[B]

So what happened is I. I mean, this is what a lot of actors do. I lied. Someone asked me if I had done standup before and I was like, yeah, yeah, of course. And so. Cause I knew how. I had worked on like a little one person show that was basically just stand up and I just removed any of the sad parts. And then I like had a bunch of jokes. You know, I had a bunch of jokes and then this person, Philip Henry, shout out to Philip. He ended up being like, I'm doing a show at a gay bar in New York City in Hell's Kitchen. Bakasoda. Bottoms up. And that was the first time I did like a set set for him. That play is so funny. Mob money definitely shut down. But then that was the impetus for me to like, go to mics. And so I just started going to tons and tons of mics and I went to two really good ones. There was one mic called Comedy Mob that then had a competition in 2017, and I won that one. And that got me my agent and that got me like a bunch of other stuff. But at the time I moved to New York because my Alabama showcase, I got an agent.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they're like, you have to come to New York. I went to New York and then they were like, very kind of like pushy on some musical theater stuff. At one point they were like, jay, do you tap? And I was like, I don't tap. And they're like, on a scale of 1 to 10, how well can you tap? I was like, are there negative numbers? And so like, I was like, I can definitely listen. I can go to a mover call and like, be. They'll be like, oh, he can move, right? But then if the dancer call, they'd be like, what is he doing here? You know that feeling? So then I told them, I said, oh, I really. I want to kind of do stand up and some sketch and figure out where that's going. And then, you know, it's very funny because I told that agency that the first one I signed with, and they were like, oh, we don't really see it. And lo and behold now, but you know that feeling when sometimes you say, I really want to do this, and some people just don't believe me. You go, well, I'm going to do it.

[A]

Well, I'm going to do well. That was our whole theater department. I told them, I was like, I'm going to do snl. I'm going to do standup. That's what I want to do. And they were like, but you need to be focused on what we're doing here. And I was focused. I was a straight A student, but I slowly getting punished because straight A

[B]

student people don't know that about you.

[A]

Yeah, I was a straight A student. And then my. My senior year because I pissed a teacher off. And granted, when I look back, it was over the dumbest shit. But they were basically like, I had checked out at that point. I was like, you've only put me in one school play. I'm done. And they. I got to see my senior year and I couldn't graduate with honors. And I was like, this department now, I love it.

[B]

And I'm like, mail Heather her cords.

[A]

Yeah, mail me my cord. You know, I couldn't find my diploma. I had moved. And I was like, wait, you know you had that reoccurring nightmare where you don't actually graduate. And I called and they were like, yeah, you had like one parking ticket. They had never mailed me my diploma. They're like, you graduated? I'm like, I walked. I know I did. So I only got my diploma about, like four years ago.

[B]

Okay. I worked in the business school when I was like, like as a side job when I was at Ole Miss. And so the funniest thing is that, like, I was responsible sometimes for telling people that because I have like all the records. I'd be like, oh, you graduated, but you have to. The bursar is actually holding your department.

[A]

Right? But they were holding it and I owed them like $2,000. And they're like, okay, great.

[B]

And my husband just bought me a brick for one of. For the special. He bought me a brick. So now I have a brick in the walk of Champions.

[A]

Oh my gosh. Where is my brick?

[B]

Jeff. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Wow. Now you met your husband at Ole Miss.

[B]

Yeah. The way God intended old fashioned Southern relationships. Yeah, imagine like us talking to our gay ass grandkids being like, well, I met your pop. Pop in Oxford.

[A]

I met him on the walk of Champions.

[B]

We, we met at the ATO house. I'm kidding.

[A]

I'm kidding.

[B]

I'm kidding. Yeah, I'm kidding.

[A]

I would say most of the gays were at the ATO house. That was my safe space.

[B]

Or the, or the.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Or all of them.

[A]

Or all of them.

[B]

Sigma Chi. There were a few.

[A]

Sigma Nu.

[B]

Sigma Nu.

[A]

Sigma Nu. And they were. It's fine, it's fine. They're all out now. Sigma Nu was the gayest fraternity and they were the most Mississippi. Those were the boys from like the Delta and Jackson. And it was one of the, to me, one of the most exclusive, exclusive fraternities to get into. And I would go there because, remember the Sigma new house had a pool and I would walk into these parties and I literally would look around and all, you know, the Delta game is they would just. That's all they would to do is data sigmade. And I was like, y', all, I don't know how to tell you this. The calls are coming from inside the house. Your mother is gay.

[B]

Like, what is happening? But you had the secret language because you. It's, it's tough. It's tough. And people don't know this because in the, in the 2000s at Ole Miss, there was like that really tough, sort of like Lindsey Graham ass game where you're like Southern or gay. Yep, he did open the door for me. But then he also complimented the paisley. I don't. God, I don't know. So you, because there were actual out gay people in the theory department, you were like, that's. Hey, mama. That's one of the girls.

[A]

That's one of the girls.

[B]

We can't date one. Honestly, Date one of the girls.

[A]

Date one of the girls.

[B]

He's going to treat you right. He's not going to touch it.

[A]

And if you look back at the, the pattern of all the guys that ran for homecoming king, Mr. Ole Miss. All gay. Gay.

[B]

How big of a diva do you have to be to be like, actually, I'm Mr. Ole Miss. Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Hand on the hip. Like, let me tell you what I am on a seersucker suit on the mid the 50 yard line. Yes.

[B]

Yeah. Oh my God.

[A]

So you Meet your husband at Ole Miss. And then. And he is not in the entertainment industry.

[B]

Well, but we met in theater department, so he was doing theater. And then he graduated, and then we mo. We both moved New York. He got. He did a summer contract in Texas at Texas the Musical. And so then we go to. We moved New York together primarily because, like, we love each other, but also we're realistic. We're like, if we break up, we're in New York.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And easy, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We end up.

[A]

It is what it is.

[B]

Moving in 2015 to a place not too far away from where we live now in Harlem. But, like, yeah, we met. Crazy. I mean, I didn't expect it to last. It's been, like, wonderful. You kind of go in these things, like, very optimistic, but you go, okay. Realistically, I don't know what the odds are, but yeah. I met my husband in college, which is so sweet.

[A]

I met my husband through Christine.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

My husband grew up with Christina. And then when I moved to New York, I met him in a gay bar in Hell's Kitchen. He's the only straight guy, allegedly, at the bar.

[B]

And.

[A]

And we've been together ever since. I mean, it's crazy. Like, there's nothing better than that first love in New York, though.

[B]

Oh, wow. And, like, walking around doing stuff together in New York, like, hating, like, how many people are around, like, complaining about things at the same time.

[A]

The rats just.

[B]

Oh, my.

[A]

Stepping on the rats together, holding hands,

[B]

or just even, like. I don't know, Like, I remember the first time that we went to, like, 30 Rock, and we, like, saw all the people in line ice skate. We looked at each other. We were like, we're not doing this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Like, those fun moments. But yeah.

[A]

Yeah. My first date was at Bryant park at the ice skating rink.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Like. Like iconic New York moments. So you've been in New York the whole time?

[B]

Yeah, New York the whole time.

[A]

I'm doing the thing. I mean, you. You're on your second special now, right?

[B]

So I'm working. I had the first album, and then this is the first special came out on Hulu. Yes, ma'. Am. Came out November, and then I'm working on a new hour currently, and we don't know. We're at a festival that produces stuff, so maybe. But yeah, so I'm doing that and then working on a couple of other fun things. TV stuff, hopefully in the works. Casting. I'm casting more stuff this year. So. Yeah.

[A]

What is your creative process when you look at your Hour. Because I take a real theater approach. Like, I have to slot myself in my basement like a mad scientist for, like, two hours, weeks before I go out on the road. Even when I'm, like, warming it up at clubs and I have to have the full idea and then I ride on the road. What is your process?

[B]

So what I like to do is for every. Every time I have, like, a big chunk of material, I try to, like, basically have too much. And so then when this chunk is done, I have this holdover. Basically. Like, I don't like a sourdough starter, if we want to get into it, that I go, okay, this is, like, really good stuff. And I love these jokes, and they're not going to make it into this one. So for this current one, I said, oh, I love all this new stuff. And I basically wanted to do a deeper dive in the topics that, like, kind of, like, brushed past. I wanted to be able to talk a little bit more about my family. And so then I kind of start looking at the jokes and the sections. So I go, okay, if this is, like, truly right now in my head for the flowchart, I'll be like, okay, so this is, like, me faking them out with some political stuff. And then I go through. And then I get to. I literally go. Then I get to autism, and then I get to the vacations, and then I get back to. To boys, and then I get back to girls, and then I go back to, like. So I just like, basically look at the buckets of stuff or like, the sections. I go, okay, and let's see if I can write. And I'm also like. I'm a person who, like, has to say a joke. Say a joke. That's like my method. I, like. I'll write an idea down. I'll be like, I look at my phone and have, like, an idea for a thing. But then I'll go, okay, like, say the actual joke. Like, joke. Like, one of the jokes right now is all, like. I talk about how, like, my brother's like, a Mississippi truck driver, which, of course, is redundant. But also, sometimes people just don't understand that he's still very progressive. Cause we have the same job. He's a truck driver. I'm a comic. He's on the road, I'm on the road. He's dropping off loads, that kind of stuff. But to me, I go, I wanna talk about my brother in a fun way. And so then I try to see all the comparisons. And then I write. Sometimes a riff becomes a Set joke. I have my show. I do every. Every other week in Brooklyn. And sometimes I had like a fun riff one time that then I'm like, oh, I love this. And so now it's like in the set.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I love that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So. And you're obviously riding on the road as you go too, and just trying to figure it out. It's all. I mean, if somebody saw our notes, they truly would be like, lock them up. I mean, it's a manifesto. It's insane. And my voice notes, I don't know about you, but I take a gummy at night, and then at 3am I'll wake up and I'll just voice note and then try to decipher what it is the next day.

[B]

Heather, read what that says under New Thoughts.

[A]

New Thoughts. Kind of a perfect time to get into feet. I'm trying to get into feet more.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, true. I'm trying to get. Only because now, because people have gotten so perverted. Feet are kind of cute. If someone said they're in the feet, you'd be like, oh, you're like, innocent. That's pg.

[A]

Putting feet. Toes in jello.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

It just could not be more pg.

[B]

Hey, Jello, Jello.

[A]

Hey, listen, these girls that are crushing it on the only fans with. With honestly, simple stuff like a feet.

[B]

Simple stuff like a clavicle.

[A]

A little porny clavicle shot.

[B]

Heather, what are we doing, Jack?

[A]

We're working too hard.

[B]

It gets even wilder. They're the girls who make all the money from men sending them pict of their tiny dicks. And the girls going, this is gross and disgusting. And the man goes, thank you so much. Here's $300.

[A]

Wait, how do I sign up for that?

[B]

I'm telling you, I will do that right now. That's the thing. The guys sin their dicks or they sin like themselves. And they want a domineering, opinionated, powerful woman in cheetah print to say, gross. Get this away from me.

[A]

I would do that for free.

[B]

No, don't do that.

[A]

Don't do it for free.

[B]

But yeah, they're doing that now.

[A]

So what is. What is that about?

[B]

There's a couple of apps where people can do that, but you have to, like, let got to send you the pics. That's the problem.

[A]

Okay, I would handle that. I'd have my mom open the mail and be like, give me the worst one. Call him Bill right now. Are you kidding me? I. Look, Robin would be great at that with like 79 Boston, like, tiny little dick. Get out of here.

[B]

These guys, they would come instantly.

[A]

Yeah, they would come instantly, truly. I mean. And isn't that wild, too, when you never to kink shame, but then you see what people are into, and you're like, that's it.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I don't get it.

[B]

Yeah. But I think that, like, as a comic, you, like, have that desire and need to be funny. So even though we know there's so many other ways we could be doing. Doing so much other stuff, but we still always come back to comedy. You know, like, that feeling whenever you go, case in point, you'll, like, have an amazing show. You go, oh, that was the best show. And then you'll just have a. You'll be like, I'm gonna do this one extra show tonight. I had an amazing show. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this show. Cause I have. I'm on such a high. And that third or fourth show you do that night.

[A]

Terrible, Terrible.

[B]

Worst show. Worst show. You love your life, and then you're

[A]

walking out of a dark bar in Brooklyn going, I. I never want to come across.

[B]

Why would I do that? Why did I do that? Why I do that? To me, why would I do a show for that many old people? I know they don't like me. I know they were. I did a benefit one time, Upper west side older people, they fed them. Before I went up, they fed these old people a bunch of vegetables. So, of course, they're burping and farting and sleeping. They're burping and farting and sleeping. And we had to check on two of them. He's. He's alive. Yeah.

[A]

You're like, somebody check on Paul in the corner.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

We. And that's the thing that people don't realize. Like, they see the. The glitz and glamour of everything you're doing now. They don't. The real hustle. I mean, I have played shows for demographics, and I love what Mark Norman's doing right now where he's doing these shows where it's specifically for one demographic. It's like, petite Asian women, and he's just doing a show for them. And I've done so many shows where it wasn't my demographic, and. And that. That's where you learn the most about yourself, and you're either gonna sink or swim.

[B]

Well, you do have those wonderful things where, like, it almost, like, is a perfect counter to you. So, like, if I do a show and it's a bunch of old people, because my style is a big. It's kind of like classic stand up and like setup punch and sort of borscht belt. Like some older people be like, I was surprised with the material, but I love the delivery. And I go, yeah, that's right, Gerald, I'm glad you liked it. But then I also think that, like, now when I look at like, what you've been able to do and also what I've been able to do, we kind of coalition build. So you have like this group that loves you and this group that loves you, and maybe they've never been in the same room before, but like, you have these people who love your stuff online. They come together for a show. So you basically get to really curate a really good and, I don't know, like, cool audience now.

[A]

It's a wonderful community and environment. And yeah, I can make jokes all day about, yeah, there's a lot of white women in there, but also it's like they're allowed to giggle too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And somebody got pissed. They were like, oh, she performs for white people. I'm like, I'm white.

[B]

I don't know what to tell you.

[A]

I'm like, yes, I am a white woman. There are. It's okay if other white women go and have a little representation.

[B]

But the crazy part for me is that, like. But then they know like about some of the helium shows and the shows in St. Louis. Like, you get the crowd. There's a bunch of black people like that.

[A]

Yeah, Hell yeah.

[B]

Well, that's like. I think that's also like, one of my goals is to have like, is to look out and see a really cool cross section. Like, I love it when I have like, my queer fans next to my straight fans. I love to see a straight couple. And the girl brought the guy and the guy goes, oh, I like Jay from Stavi's World. So I actually like this stuff. And I like seeing like, young, kind of alt, fun black couple. And I like seeing the older couple who didn't know this was. And I like seeing the comedy nerd. And I like seeing like the queer person who thinks this is gonna be a bit more activist. And I'm like, no, I'm probably just gonna be talking about eating ass a little bit. Like, there's so many cool pockets in a crowd like that that I love right now.

[A]

Oh, I do too. And then, you know, and we travel all over the world and do our thing. And that's the coolest thing. Like, your audience in the Pacific Northwest in Portland is gonna be completely different than My audience in Birmingham, Alabama.

[B]

Hey, you can say stinky.

[A]

Yeah, it is a little stinky.

[B]

You can say stinky.

[A]

Little ethereal.

[B]

Every now and then, you in those meet and greets in Portland. You go, okay, okay.

[A]

All right, all right.

[B]

You go. So y' all don't got no.

[A]

We have the same Patagonia jacket, last six months. Okay. And you're trying not to get stabbed on your way or to the theater.

[B]

Yeah. Well, I think also, like, because we both tour a lot. Like, getting to see. Getting to see the country. Like I always say. Like, sometimes I walk into places and I definitely sound like a Southerner going to a new Kroger. I go, oh, this is nice.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I didn't. I didn't. When did they do this?

[A]

Oh, this is us. This is a fancy Kroger. Okay, okay. Columbus, Ohio.

[B]

Exactly. I feel the way about Grand Rapids is that Grand Rapids. Wow.

[A]

Wow. Look at y'.

[B]

All. A plaza. A plaza.

[A]

Now, I have, like, one key thing that is very specific to me when I walk off stage and I know it's been an amazing show, and that's when I am making the black female security guard laugh her ass off.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She comes up to me after the show and she's like, girl, I didn't know who you were, but I'm a new fan. I literally am like, I've peaked. I'm good. That's in the tour now. And that's when I know I've had a great show. What is your random key to yourself that you're like, I crushed.

[B]

It's definitely staff. You want. Like, when you. When the people who see comedy all the time come up to you and go, that was a really good set. Or they really enjoyed it, or they're happy to see you come back. Or they're like, when I. I was just in Austin at the Creek in the Cave, like, when the. When they're, like, when the bar is, like, happy that you're back or, like, dropping in for a thing when. When security guards. There's a security guard. There's a security guard who I love at Littlefield in Brooklyn. And I see her and. Truly the same thing. She's always like, oh, you're on this show. I was like, yeah. So, like, because those people see so much standup.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, those people basically are inundated with standup. So if you can surprise them and make them laugh, I always say, like, the staff at any club I'm at in New York City, if they're laughing, I know it's like, going, well. And, like, whenever I get this, like, it's a. It's usually, like. If it's a. It's usually a girl who, like, likes my stuff online. She brings her guy. And I've said this story before, but, like, I know I did a good job. When he goes, hey. I was worried at first.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

And I go, that. Cause the handshake come all the way up.

[A]

Yeah. It's an upside down. Heil Hitler. Ye.

[B]

They go, oh, my. They go, oh, my God, That Lane Kiffin joke. I go, yeah, of course.

[A]

Well, I'm glad that we're working on the same material, because we have a lot of Lane Kiffin material.

[B]

Wow. Wow, wow, wow.

[A]

Look directly into camera, Jay. And I just want you to. Absolutely not. Lane Kiffin, right now. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Jay, the floor is yours.

[B]

You evil son of a bitch. Oh, my God. You lied to them, boys. You lied to everybody. But I wouldn't expect nothing less from a man who goes to hot yoga. Just the ogle moms. I know what you. Was that dog even yours? We don't know.

[A]

We don't know.

[B]

We don't know.

[A]

Did he make it to Baton Rouge?

[B]

I'm gonna get Pablo Torre to investigate it. That's what's gonna happen. It's gonna end up on espn. But I'm happy. I'm so proud of the football team this year. I'm so happy for them. I'm so happy about what it did for the people of Oxford. Belen Kiffin, Baton Rouge. You know that means pink wiener, right? That means red dick. Okay? And that's what you. He's a red dick.

[A]

I am shooting my next special in two weeks in Knoxville, Tennessee, because when the whole Lane Kippen thing went down, the amount of people that reached out to me from UT that were like, we supported you.

[B]

We told you.

[A]

We told you.

[B]

We told you.

[A]

We knew we was gonna leave.

[B]

It actually is the girl who goes, hey, I tried to warn you. It's the girl who goes, I try to be a girl's girl. I really try to be a girl's girl. I told you. He was like this. Yeah.

[A]

And we didn't listen.

[B]

And I don't know why you were smart, though. Cause you actually. Actually, I think you called it early because you were like, he's hanging out with Theo. What is going on?

[A]

And I saw Theo at the game, and we were, you know, basically on

[B]

the field throwing corn dogs.

[A]

Yeah, we were throwing corn dogs. And I said. And it was the Florida game. I was like, theo, what do you know? Like, And Theo bounces around to all the different SEC schools, but I'm like,

[B]

you're Vanderbilt all the time, Vandy.

[A]

But he's also an LSU fan. So I was like, theo, what do you know? You're hanging out doing hot yoga with Coach Kiffin. Like, surely he told you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Then I had an inside, inside, inside scoop that just. I just got a text. It was from a burner number. It was not Theo. It was somebody else in the sports world. And they just said, prepare yourself, period. Ooh. And I said, okay, I'll tell you who it was. Offline.

[B]

Well, you know what it was? It was like him not being able to say anything after that egg bowl game. And I was like, okay, that was just weird. It was so weird.

[A]

That was so weird.

[B]

It was weird because, like, even at that point, I'm like, man, say something.

[A]

Say something. And then I knew. But the way it went down, I am sad that I wasn't at the Oxford airport screaming at him as he got on the plan. And I'm just so glad we have at least, you know, my man Trinidad's coming back. I mean, he is stunningly gorgeous.

[B]

Oh. But also just, well. Cause I'm a guy, good guy. I just get so happy that people understand that. The program, Wonderful head coach, such a great offensive mind, but the program was a good program that they put together with or without Coach Lane Kiffin. So.

[A]

And people got upset with me. Like, I popped into game days before in which, you know, men don't like women in their spaces. And I made jokes before about, like, you know, oh, well, we may not win every game, but we never lose a party, which was our motto for 30 fucking years.

[B]

If you weren't there.

[A]

Yeah, you don't get to say for

[B]

Ogeron, Houston, Nut, Hugh Free, Hugh Freeze. Taking those boys to strip clubs. If you weren't there. Don't you get mad at us for saying, hey, we didn't win the game, but we. We used to have to, like, go to the game and know we were going to get our ass kicked and be like, you know, I'm still going out tonight.

[A]

I'm still going out tonight.

[B]

I'm still going to have fun.

[A]

Do you remember we had towels when Coach Nut was our. Our coach and said, nut rag. Like, that's what we dealt with. So if you didn't know, if you weren't there, shut the fuck up.

[B]

You didn't have a nut rack.

[A]

Get out. You ain't from Mississippi I know. I. I'm so excited to go to Knoxville.

[B]

I forgot about the nut racks, which

[A]

he then probably passed out to all. Was it him or Hugh?

[B]

Hugh Freeze. Hugh Freeze was the one who was acting up a little bit. But you knew it's always the super Christian coaches who like. It's always, isn't it?

[A]

It's always, it's always those guys and you. I mean, we. Again, that goes back back to like, you know, is he Southern or is he gay? It was like the. Everybody has that youth pastor who was like, the. The guy was so far up your ass and you're like, he's doing the darkest shit behind the scenes.

[B]

Somebody's ass.

[A]

Yeah, he's up somebody's ass.

[B]

Amen.

[A]

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[B]

Working on the new hour. I'm going to, I'm going to London this summer. I can announce that. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. I'm also going to go back to Chicago, going to Duanis, doing San Jose.

[A]

Chicago is one of truly my favorite city.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

I want to shoot another special there. Like shoot my next one there. I love Chicago. They just get it. They're like the perfect comedy.

[B]

You know what it also is? It's because in that period from like May to like mid October for them, they are out all the time, they are partying all the time, they're drinking, there's festivals, there's always something to do. So I always go to Chicago in the summer and that's when I like do my. Whenever I'm at Zany's. I love it because people are such, they're such good laughers. They're like, it's a good mix of like, it's like bougie people and working class people, as white people, as black people, as gay people, as straight people, old people, young people. And it's like they're all out. It's the best every.

[A]

I know when things are cooking in the right direction. When I'm in Chicago and then I like to go test material in Chicago. I'm like, they're going to get it and they're going to give me the feedback that I need. Right.

[B]

I'm doing, I'm doing a show on Fire Island.

[A]

Okay, let's talk about Fire island real quick.

[B]

On Fire Island.

[A]

What is that audience like? Because obviously you're in the pocket. But they. There's a lot of nefarious things going on in pocket.

[B]

Cause I'm in for them. I've been in fire.

[A]

There's a lot of things going on behind the scenes. What is a typical Fire island set? Like what is your material like? And then what is the audience giving to you? Is everyone just naked sitting on a sand dune?

[B]

No. So I. So I have a fun show that I do with Gianmarco Ceres where we.

[A]

Yeah, I love him.

[B]

So these gay boys do pay attention. We give them a little candy where we do the show inside speedos and usually we have like a lesbian on the show too. Cause it's in Cherry Grove and that is their territory and we respect it. So I think we're hopefully knock on woo. We're gonna get someone pretty cool for this year. I love that show because at first they're kinda like oh, Speedo show. This is gonna be so fun and so silly. And then about five minutes after the initial like oh, this was like silly. They like just pay attention and you just get to do your set but you do it in the speedo and then you get to have a good time.

[A]

So when I met John Marco, who I love now and he has so many amazing bits about people thinking he's was gay, I had no idea. When I sat on his podcast the first time I met him and he was talking to me about his girlfriend and doing IVF and I was like huh. Like I was genuinely confused. I don't even think it was a great episode. Cuz the whole time in my mind I was, I was trying to rework my judgment and love him, adore him.

[B]

But not gay, not gay. One of those. Whoa. You know actually what I'm getting into one of the theater full. I think he got a BFA at University of Miami, which is so funny cuz like we play them in the playoffs. So we connected because I was like, oh, you're a theater straight, you don't like men, you like attention.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

I know what this is. I know who you are. Kindred spirits. So yeah, that's why we get.

[A]

We were talking about some of the theater streets last night over a margarita at the Netflix's joke party.

[B]

You and Joe?

[A]

No, me and you.

[B]

Oh yeah, me.

[A]

Yeah, we were talking about it and that there were these two iconic men who were able to get away with such diva behavior, but with wee kind of ruffled feathers or spoke up. We were immediately pushed to the side, told to shut up and sit down. You remember and not to name names. There was one gentleman who always had a. I think he was stuck in, like, the 1930s.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And he always had a handkerchief and had severe Mississippi allergies and would blow his nose into the handkerchief and then use it in, like, a scene as a prop. And one day, I finally grabbed the handkerchief. I go, get a fucking tissue, motherfucker. I don't understand what you're doing.

[B]

Get a nut rag. Get a nut rag.

[A]

We have them.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, my God. That's. I don't know if you remember who I was. I know exactly who you're talking about.

[A]

It was just like, he was an old soul. And, you know, he would eat the core of the apple from the teacher who'd been sucking on it all day. And he'd always wear, like, an overall. Like, one day he's just like, we're doing Tom Sawyer. And I'm just like, shut up. Oh, my God, stop.

[B]

Well, because, like, before you meet. Before you meet a bunch of characters in, like, the standup world, if you do theater, you do just meet so many people who are like, I. The only way I can describe them is they are so eccentric. They're. You just meet eccentric people and you kind of go, oh, whoa, whoa. You like this all the time.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Whoa, whoa. You know what? I respect it. What a choice.

[A]

But I was strong, and they were praised, and the weirder you were. And that was one of my things that I think I struggled with. And maybe I misinterpreted it. I would love your feedback here because. Because I felt I got a little punished for having a semi normal social life. Being like, I want to go out on a Tuesday night. And then I would go do improv in Santa down at the. What was it? The powerhouse.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And we had our little comedy troupes, and we did our thing, but I was like, it's okay to go to a bar as a college kid and just go do my thing. I don't have to be in the theater every fucking day.

[B]

And because like we said before, what's gonna make you a more interesting actor if you're only trying to be an actor or if you're living a life and then you bring those outside experiences into your performance. I'm like, I also think that there was a bit of a People they. Heather's been. Ever since I've known Heather, she's been blonde and both, like, spiritually and literally. So there was also a little bit of like, oh, this blonde bunny girl doesn't take theater serious enough. Which I didn't like that because I was like, it's. If she's this good at comedy and if she's this like dedicated to the scene, she's taking it as serious as this like, kind of like stoic man. But it's just like people kind of instantly go, well, that's how you do it. That's how you show me you're dedicated. As if you're kind of just like kind of sullen and sulking and always stewing and ruminating on something instead of being like, oh, I'm having a good time.

[A]

I'm having a good time. Yeah, when you did. Now this may be a little meta for our listeners, but in the program you had to sit your first day and what was it? We had to tell a story. It was a hot seat. And our theater teachers is so fucking meta. They would interview you. And I remember I was telling a story about my mom and my. You had a rule for that year. It was like one thing you had to work on. My challenge that year was one of our teachers said, you're not allowed to say your mother's name in the studio. And I remember walking away. Cause I said a hysterical story about her. And my mom was really my champion in the theater arts. My dad was, he supported me, but he was also like, get in the mortgage business. And I remember walking out of there saying, why the fuck can I not talk about my mom? This is not some like deep rooted child. This is where I get my source of energy and humor and storytelling from. And I just remember being so burned and jaded by that moment. Do you remember your hot seat moment?

[B]

I think that like they, I think there was something along the lines of like, I wasn't supposed to like go for the laughs as much. Cause like I was known as like the one who was like always trying to like make the class like laugh.

[A]

Yeah, of course. Cause you're fucking funny.

[B]

But I think there was like this idea that if you basically like tell younger performers to like do the things they're not strong at, they'll get stronger. But I'm of the belief like you can make people stretch those first couple of years. But your senior year and like before you kind of go into whatever the, whatever performance world you want to go into, that should be the year where they go, this is what you're good at. This is what you're strongest at. This is what we're going to show to them. Good job on all this other stuff. But now for the next. And that was Kind of. I think they eventually got there, but sometimes I think they got there too late. Like, I. I remember knowing how funny you were and then, like, truly being like, oh, of course it makes sense that Heather's like, this fucking funny and doing standup now and on E. Of course. Of course. You know what I mean? When you have those moments where you look back and you go, of course.

[A]

Well, I felt the same way with you. I was like. I mean, you were just like a fucking bright light when you would walk into the room. And you also. I mean, you have these gorgeous long legs and a sick body. Like, Jay was always hot with his shirt off. And a rolled Sophie short. Just being like.

[B]

Like, okay, Jay, we were dressing. We. We were. Once again, we were so naked.

[A]

We were so naked.

[B]

I don't think people actually understand how

[A]

many times I've seen that dong.

[B]

Yeah. Or just, like, how many times you were like, if this was any other department. What are we doing?

[A]

What are we doing?

[B]

Rolled up in the corner on mats in a studio.

[A]

Dude, the theater parties were insane.

[B]

Oh, we had this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I don't know what we could say.

[B]

They were like, a couple of. Yeah, there were some fun.

[A]

There were some fun times. And then, do you remember the, like, two straight black fraternity guys who were dancers, who were in our program, and I would take, like, modern jazz with them, and they were so much fun. And they were both Sigmas, right?

[B]

Or Q's.

[A]

They're cutes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I remember two of the boys, they were like, hey, we're gonna go have a crossover party at one of the frats. Come with. And I was like, those are my boys. And I remember just, like, people did not understand. And I think that people. Obviously, there's so much fucking wrong with Mississippi, but we had such a different perspective because we were deep in the arts. Like, I'm hanging out with the two modern jazz dancers who are part of the toughest black fraternity, hanging out with my boys at the ATO house. And we're making Hunch Punch together. And it was just like, that was our life.

[B]

Well, I think because we both did theater, we kind of, like, saw all of the different subsections of college and kind of of the culture as it were in Oxford. It was like, I'm gonna have to, like, bebop around to all of these. Cause I wanna, like, make sure I'm able to have fun here. I wanna make sure I see my friends here. So, like, I think we both had to be pretty multifaceted early on.

[A]

Jay, you're so talented. And I believe. I mean, this is absolutely not podcast where we talk some shit and. And get into it, but I really believe in a cheesy version of just like an oral manifestation. What do you want to do? Like, absolutely yes to what is on your life vision board for your career. For you personally, I really believe in, like, speaking it out.

[B]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I want to sell a TV show.

[A]

Amen.

[B]

And that is currently, like, a trajectory that I'm on as far as, like, developing and selling.

[A]

Is it a story about your life?

[B]

It's a story about a portion of my life. I mean, I'm very excited to get to do that and get to continue to work on that. And I also want to get to continue to do standup. I think getting to do standup is such a cool thing. I think getting to have a special. Like, I was so happy when that happened for me last year.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, whenever I come to a festival like this and I see both, like, my friends, but then also, like my peers and also people, I looked up to them. I was like, oh, shit. I had yesterday and I, like, told a story about, like, my first. The first time I was on Tonight show, like, Adam Sandler had to come to do, like, some Uncut Gems promos. So Adam Sandler was randomly there, and then Jimmy was there, Adam was there, and then Seth Meyers had Tim Meadows on. So all four of them are, like, there, and then Lauren is there. It's like a crazy day. Like, I saw all of those people and, like, those are the kind of things where I go, I didn't expect any of that. So to get to hopefully sell and develop and sell this TV show and then get to continue to do stand up and then, I don't know, keep getting cast and stuff. I'm very happy about what's been going on so far. So, yeah, that's what I want.

[A]

And you've had such incredible writing jobs.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

I mean, Shout out. Yeah. You work for Jon Stewart.

[B]

Who?

[A]

Let me tell you, I did a gig with him at Madison Square Garden. I was the only woman on the lineup. He was so kind to me.

[B]

Oh, he's nice.

[A]

I got off stage and I thought I killed. I did a great job. And he was like, fucking loved it. He was, like, really loved it. And he didn't have to be nice to me. Nobody else was. And John was so kind. And he's one of those faces. When I see him out, I'm just like, I feel he's One of the good bosses. What was it like working with him?

[B]

He's a very good boss. He's a great person. An even better boss. I can't. I mean, every time that you had a question about anything, he was not only there, but he was like, okay, this is how we usually do this. This is the method for the madness when it comes to. Cause it was my first room. And so our head writer the first season, Chelsea devontes, she was like, don't be scared of Johnson.

[A]

Love Chelsea.

[B]

I love Chelsea. I love. Yeah, so. But she was, like, very adamant that, like, you be the person that got the job in front of John. Like, don't be. Don't get small or shy away from him.

[A]

Hell, yeah.

[B]

So he, like, loved riffing with us. Like, we'd go into rewrite, and we definitely, like, have stuff that we had to handle. But then he'd just be doing bits, and we'd be like, man, we gotta make a. We gotta do a show together. So. He was the best. I mean, he took care of us. He was. He was. I mean, every time I got anything comedically, I think I got, like, variety 10 comics to watch of the year. He, like, shouted me out and was, like, super supportive and was checking up on me. And then whenever I'd go to a spot in the city, he'd ask about. He was truly the best.

[A]

Fully engaged into what you were doing. See, this is what we love to hear. Yeah, There's a lot of horror stories in this business, and we can talk offline all day long about the assholes that we've worked with, but then you meet the good ones, and I'm like, no, there really are some good folks in this bitch.

[B]

And then you kind of have to be like, he's one of the nicest people in comedy and outside of comedy, like, even. Even if he wasn't comedic at all, I'd be like, that's still a great boss.

[A]

That's a great boss. I mean, I never worked directly for Joan, but Joan was really. Joan Rivers was so kind to me in comedy in the early days in New York. And she just was always like, that's why she. She was one of the reasons why I got into comedy. Like, I grew up on her. Just the fearlessness. And then she was kind, too, and was kind to other comics. And that was the biggest thing.

[B]

How does it feel being on red carpets now knowing that that's, like, the legacy that, like, you. You get to, like, continue to uphold

[A]

and, like, totally surreal. And then I. And. And I've become friendly with Melissa and she's like, they're not utilizing you the way they need to. You need to be let free. I can tell that the handcuffs are on you. And she's like, I've been telling them they need to be let free. Now, I haven't done the job in the past year because they went even a little bit more buttoned up. And I'm hoping that the pendulum will swing the other way where I could do something where I get to say what I want, but I'm on television and, you know, listen, that's a tough gig of, like, hosting and also having people in your ear and wanting to go hard on the jokes and wanting to be more like Joan and Roast, but also knowing there's corporate backers and things that you can and can't say.

[B]

Going to have, like a free heaven.

[A]

Yeah, please do. Please do. Well, it was so refreshing when, like, when Mary Beth Barone did the stuff for the Globes. I'm like, she's able to do whatever she wants right now because she's online. And that is no hater, J. I'm like, truly, she fucking crushed it. But I was like, she has the free reign. It's a completely different beast when you are on live television. Yeah.

[B]

You know, and I mean, like, I think that, like, so many people, whenever they think of standup, they don't realize just how many cool opportunities come from stand up. We were talking about last night how, like, standup is also one of those where you have so much more autonomy over your career trajectory. Cause if you want to do standup at night, it might just be for four people, but you probably can do it. And those things really kind of like, they put, like a good battery in your back. You feel way more confident because you go, oh, I do have a bit more control. Oh, I can write this. I can tell this story that I want to tell. I get to, like, do this thing every time you do a good set or every time you have, like, a good tape. That's like an amazing audition. So you don't feel as crazy about all the shit you didn't book that week.

[A]

That's what people don't realize, the amount of auditions that will never see the light of day. I ran into Fortune last night. Fortune beams are. And I looked at her. I said, fortune, please. I'm going to start texting you directly. If I audition for one more role where it's like, fortune is the type. Like the type gas and just call Fortune. I said, you Shot six movies this year. I know you booked them out. So I'm not putting myself on tape. I'm not doing it anymore.

[B]

Fortune. I love seeing Fortune. Last night, it was so funny because, like, she also. She took a bite of the hamburger. She said, I'm being underdone. Yeah.

[A]

So Rosebud and I did the day that we took a bite, and Rosebud goes. We were halfway through what you just said. That's the most disgusting thing I've ever had.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, it's hard to underdo. It's hard to undercook a slider.

[A]

You leave it on the grill for three seconds.

[B]

Yeah. Did you just put a blow dryer on the burger? Like, that was. It was funny to see. To see both. To see, like, all of us be like, okay, all right. Fries it is.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Fries it is.

[A]

What are you excited about with this whole comedy festival? Because I think that. Listen, I like having an honest conversation with you. You know, we all kind of talk about it. Sidebar, like, the pressure. And we're all on different streamers now, too. And it's so exciting.

[B]

You show up this week. You're like, can I say my specials on Hulu? Y' all wanna get mad?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know what I can say.

[A]

And, you know, and I had this diabolical idea that I was going to write a whole new hour with all my old characters, because that's what I think. Creatively, I'm a little stifled now because I've been selling all these TV shows, and I'm like, I'm ready to play somebody other than myself.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's the thing. It's the actor in me who's like, I'm ready to put on a wig.

[B]

And it'. It's so fun and do that. Cause then when you get back to you, you get to be like, oh, I have so much more stuff to say as me now. Cause I was out of me for a bit.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I was sitting in Pittsburgh last week backstage, and I was going through some of my show notes for the show for Netflix, and I was like, I'm shooting a special in 13 days. I need to do my hour. What am I talking about? Like, I'm gonna put that on hold so that when I go do that show, I have the complete freedom to do what I want. But I was like, the amount of pressure that we're all putting ourselves for this whole week is insane, too.

[B]

I feel some of the pressure, but I also just love it. I love. I'm A big old nerd. I love executing the new hour. I love basically saying this is what I want to do and seeing if I can, like, really achieve it. I also treat my standup a little bit like it's an acting job. So, like, I go, this is the text. Let me see if I can, like, fully embody this text and, like, do this as an acting job for the hour. Do the best version of this. So I feel. I feel excited about that. I really enjoy the fact that, like, out here, sometimes I, like, see my friends on a lineup and they'll be, like, really excited and I'll go, oh, yeah. Because, like, we do love this. Like, getting excited to see people still, like, makes me very happy.

[A]

And I'm still such a fan of comedy. Like, I enjoy if I have a night off, going to see shows.

[B]

And. And I was fangirling last night, I said, lunel. Yeah, I thought, Lunelle's here.

[A]

Iconic also. She. She walked in with, like, six of the tallest, most attractive black dudes I've ever seen in my life. I was like, this is your entourage.

[B]

Speaking of onlyfans, you know, Lululemon, Lunel used to have an only fans.

[A]

No way.

[B]

Lunel had an only fans. And then she said she shut it down because the men were asking for too much crazy stuff. She had her only fans.

[A]

Have you ever peeped Lunell's only fans?

[B]

Hey, I saw the. I saw the banner.

[A]

Uh huh.

[B]

It looked good. It didn't look bad. It didn't look bad. I see why people were paying.

[A]

We touched on this last night. I think that we could write a buddy comedy.

[B]

Oh, my.

[A]

About two divas in Mississippi.

[B]

Two divas in the South. Oh. Oh, my goodness.

[A]

I have a show that we're working right now at Hulu that I've sold called Mississippi Queen. There could definitely be a role for you in it. We will put you in the show heaven. But also, I think we could write

[B]

something in the what if. Okay.

[A]

Let's workshop it.

[B]

In a very Earl had to die situation. Someone passes away. We aren't professional detectives, but we have to solve this mystery, this murder mystery in the south. And we are showing up to gas. Gas stations in the Delta. Then we. We both. I go, I'm not going in there. You go. You go, I'm not going in there. You go, I'm not going in there. You going there. And both of us.

[A]

And the next thing you know, we're at a casino in Tunica, Mississippi, and we lost all of our gas money. Well, what Is our. I think we start off as, like, nurses. We are dental hygienists somewhere in Indianola, Mississippi.

[B]

Oh, my God. No.

[A]

If we do the whole thing in scrubs, I think would be great.

[B]

Or we work at a senior care facility and one of. And we have to, like, solve a mystery of, like, one of the. One of the patients passes away, but there's, like, a treasure, and we're searching for their.

[A]

We're searching for their money, and we're actually bad people. But then in the end, somehow we, like, really solve a case.

[B]

Oh, my God. And you know who sponsors it? Figs. Figs.

[A]

Scruggs. Perfect. And McUltra.

[B]

Mc Ultra. Oh, my God.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

My husband still religiously buys and drinks Michelob Ultra.

[A]

Me too. When I'm telling you they send me swag, nothing fills me with more Joy than a McUltra backpack. You.

[B]

You have you. I mean, the synchronicity of you being a Delta spokesperson and a Michelob Ultra spokesperson. Cause that's the only. The only beer you can get for free in the lounge.

[A]

I know. We didn't even plan it.

[B]

Oh, we do have. We have to talk about this. Okay, so the new lounge in Atlanta. Have you been to the new one?

[A]

In which concourse?

[B]

Because they're redoing F. Yeah, the F1. The newest one. Right. Because you and me can talk about this. Because now, because you actually, you and Jared have the most knowledge about sky clubs of anyone I've ever met.

[A]

So here's the thing. They're redoing a lot of stuff in Atlanta, but I. I posted something.

[B]

They're getting Delta One.

[A]

No, they're getting Delta One. Yes. I posted something, though, that was apparently a controversial take because our international terminal that most people fly out of is E. And there's no good food. We got a TGI Fridays. We just got a Starbucks. We have this place called One Flew South. They have the weirdest hours. So I had a video go viral, and people in Atlanta were like, well, girl, you got to go here, got to go there. I'm like, people should not be eating varsity hot dogs before they fly to Dubai. You should not be eating.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I know. Listen, I know airports are really focused on safety. Why are you building a bomb on the inside? I don't need you bouncing up and down through turbulence with a couple hot dogs. No.

[A]

Did you see that flight two summers ago where they had to turn around from Barcelona? No. Cuz that woman had diarrhea all the way down the aisle. Do you know how many People message me and they're like, this is you. You're going on your summer vacation. I was so upset, J. So I do this video talking shit about the Atlanta airport, and it goes viral. Down the aisle. I'm flying from LA to Atlanta, and this woman, this flight attendant pulls me aside and she. She goes, this is you. She's like, we've all been passing this around. We fully agree. We're on your side. We got your back. Keep telling them that they gotta fix the restaurants at the Atlanta airport. I'm like, I will do whatever for you people.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. I have, like. I have so many, like, airport, like, airport experiences now. You know, like, when you start touring a lot and you go, okay, I love this one. I'm okay with this one. Sometimes you go, oh, no, no, I'm here.

[A]

I'm here.

[B]

No. Or like, you'll. I mean, the one that makes me the happiest right now, the one I'm obsessed with, I love. I love the dinner at Delta One at lax.

[A]

Incredible.

[B]

The dinner at Delta One lax, back in sushi. Oh, my God.

[A]

Come on. It's.

[B]

I feel. I feel so happy that I chose to talk about eating ass on stage, that I eventually made just enough money to do Delta 1 to get upgraded every now and then. It's so beautiful. It's beautiful. What if I told my mom? I said, mom, if I had a. If I wasn't such a hoe, I don't even know if we'd be here.

[A]

We wouldn't have these bags.

[B]

Would you have that bag? Would you have that bag? All right, you got that bag. I called media one time, but you got that bag. Like, it's. I feel very bad.

[A]

I had a strong sti. But you got that bag, Mom. Yeah, Listen, it is very full circle for me when I sit in a Delta One lounge because I applied when I moved back from LA after my dad had passed, I applied to be a Delta flight attendant because I was back in Atlanta. I didn't know what the fuck I was gonna do. And I thought, well, maybe if I work as a flight to at least get to travel for free and then do comedy. And I got denied from the job. And I thought I was a shoe in because I had connects at Delta or whatever, and I didn't get the job. And you had the girls, and I had the girls.

[B]

Yeah, well, that.

[A]

The girls got in the way, actually. They needed. You did have to take a photo. Like, you have to show up dressed in, like, a full cosplay. Flight attendant. And you have to take a photo pushing the overhead bin up. And I know in that photo, they were like, this woman is too large to be in the aisle. And I got denied from the job. And then my first big tour, Delta sponsored, like, a part of the tour. And we were giving out silver medallion status and platinum status at some of my shows. And I was like, that is the full circle moment.

[B]

That's impressive. Oh, my God. And to think you didn't take theater seriously.

[A]

I didn't take theater seriously enough. And to think, here you are, buying the bags, doing it all. And you know what, J? I love you and adore you and I'm so glad. I really think we should write this movie.

[B]

I would love that, Heather. But also, I mean, truly, I'm dead ass serious. I'm so proud of you.

[A]

I'm proud of you.

[B]

I'm so happy for us. Cause, like, just to. Who the Thunk?

[A]

Who the fuck?

[B]

Who the Thunk?

[A]

Who the Thunk?

[B]

Right? A long way from summer crawfish balls.

[A]

No, truly. But, you know, I'll go back to that crawfish boil. But also, when we think about it, how we all didn't end up with mono from the crawfish boils.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, also, it is crazy that they dumped it all on, like, the most unsanitary table, on the most unsanitary newspaper, and we were like, get out of the way.

[A]

And we're just sucking the heads and everyone's on Adderall. We were really thriving back in those days. Jay, tell everybody where they can find you.

[B]

You can find me at Jjerden. All one word, J, A, Y, J, U, R, D, N. On all platforms, whether it be TikTok, Threads. I'm on threads. Twitter. For some reason, I'm still there. Cause the porn is good. That's why people are there.

[A]

Something I just found out. I did not know. I don't do the tweets anymore.

[B]

Twitter. Porn is Heather.

[A]

It's mostly porn.

[B]

It's mostly porn. It's mostly porn. And then ads. That's it. It's porn. DraftKings porn. Okay, we can say this because we love women led companies. What are we gonna do about these straight men spending all of their money on these games that they're. It's insane. Yeah. They're addicted.

[A]

They are addicted. There's a lot going on.

[B]

Like, in a way that, like, you remember, like, that time when, like, every straight guy would make fun of girls for lacking astrology on stage, and you'd be like, okay. Astrology's been around for a very long time, like since the Babylonians. I don't know what you want us. But now they're like, oh, yeah, I kind of like got in all of my picks and I go, you're. You're losing 500 a week.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Are you this bad at gambling?

[A]

And we are sponsored by DraftKings and so happy to have them as a sponsor of the podcast. Don't listen to Jay. Don't follow them. No, I fully agree with you. And you know, thank God. My husband just spends my fortune on golf shirts and tea times. Thank God.

[B]

Listen, golf shirts are tangible. At least you have those.

[A]

You have them. But it is a sickness and an illness. Jay, I love you and adore you. We've got writing to do. We've got a. We've got to write our movie. So here we are.

[B]

We.

[A]

We just. It's sponsored by Scrubs, Michelob Ultra, and the Delta, Mississippi community.

[B]

Yeah. Hey, yeah, Hope. Hopefully we can have a premiere in Oxford.

[A]

Oh, my God, that would be incredible. And then they named the building after us. It's the, like Jordan McMahon or the Heather and J. School of the Theater Arts.

[B]

Yeah, we could have a. Right now. We could have a hallway. I think right now we could have. Yeah.

[A]

H.J. school of the Arts.

[B]

School of the Art. Which is. That's how you get cast. That's how you cast a good hj.

[A]

You show em your tits and that's how you get the job. I love you. I mean it. Thank you for coming on this episode, guys. As always, follow Jay. He's so incredible. Check out his hour on Hulu. And thanks for being here. Ciao bella. Riverdale. Thanks so much for listening to today's episode. Don't forget to subscribe. Subscribe, rate us and leave a review. And as always, follow me on Instagram at heatherkmcmahon. See you guys soon.