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Susie Park
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Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
lemonade.
Jenny Yang
Also with that fire boy.
Susie Park
Wait.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Welcome to another episode of Add to Cart. It's the podcast where we discuss what we buy and buy into you and what it says about who we are. I am your auntie, the gray haired one, Kulap Vilay Sock.
Susie Park
And I'm your other auntie, the mushy one, Susie Park. Yeah, mushy. My face is mushy. My butt's mushy Carter's. We are wrapping up our Take a big Breath Asian American Pacific Islander Native Hawaiian Heritage Month programming with a a returning champion. A goddess.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Yes.
Susie Park
Hostess with the mostess.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Absolutely. She is a stand up comedian, actor, TV writer who is named one of Variety's top 10 comics to watch and has been featured at Just for Last festival in Montreal, the San Francisco Sketch Festival and Netflix is a joke festival. She is a former labor organizer who was born in Taiwan and raised in Los Angeles and stars opposite, Excuse me, Michelle Yeoh. That's right, Oscar winner Michelle Yeoh as in a second assassin in the Netflix action comedy drama series the Brother's Son. Her new weekly podcast what should we Talk about is available right now on Substack. Please add to Cart. Jenny.
Jenny Yang
Yay. Oh, thank you. I live for an auntie coup buildup.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
You deserve it.
Susie Park
It's the industry standard that nobody can meet. I've done a handful of intros on this show, and at first I tried to do it like her, and I was like, well, that is a fail. But, like, it's so good that I get so nervous, I just end up tripping over all of my words. And it's the worst intro. So you go from the best intro to the worst. And I say that is the offering of Add to Cart and AAPI Heritage Month.
Jenny Yang
The self deprecation is very Aapi Heritage Month. So.
Susie Park
No, that's fact. That's reporting live on the ground from the hurricane.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
But anyway, Jenny, welcome back.
Jenny Yang
Hi. I am so honored to be here to celebrate. Asian American, Pacific Islander, Native Hawaiian, Bhutanese, Laotian, Vietnamese, Sri Lankan, Burmese, Mongolian, Taiwanese, Italian. Filipino. Nope, not Italian. Wrong. Mess that up anyway.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
But if you're biracial, you know.
Susie Park
Yeah, that's right. And in 2020, we don't know what this month will be. We just know what it is now.
Jenny Yang
Let's just savor it for what we have this year.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Yes, that's right.
Jenny Yang
It might not be here for long.
Susie Park
Three Asian women with microphones. Do you think that we allow this in 2020? Let me not. Let me not speak it into existence.
Jenny Yang
You think they're policing our wombs?
Susie Park
That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. Could never. Could never revoke citizenships. No. Not in this country. You guys. Sorry.
Jenny Yang
We. We could keep going.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
We could keep going.
Susie Park
Jenny, what has been going on in your life? Just fill us in really quick before we get into our cards.
Jenny Yang
Oh, goodness. Just, you know, out here making my own work. Making my own downtown. My way downtown. What does that mean? I messed up the quote.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Making my way downtown.
Jenny Yang
Yeah.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Walking.
Susie Park
What is that from? I know that it's in the core of my brain.
Jenny Yang
It's Michelle Branch. It's in white girls. Don't worry about it.
Susie Park
Michelle Branch. Are you kidding me?
Jenny Yang
I am so embarrassed. But the correction. Making my way downtown is a lyric from Vanessa Carlton, not Michelle Branch. And what millennial worth their weight will mess that up? I don't know. So apologies to Vanessa Carlton. This is all I'm doing. I'm trying to make my way downtown. I'm trying to create my own work because Hollywood is unreliable.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Turns out.
Jenny Yang
I don't know if you figured this out, but everyone who works in Hollywood is a Freelancer. Except for executives who work for corporate America and ne.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
And they're also scared. They're all scared for their lives.
Susie Park
I have to say the only silver lining in some of this is to see the highest of the highest managerial. Because there's still a level above that that's doing better than ever. But that level that never has had to do what we've been doing our entire lives.
Jenny Yang
Seeing them squirm.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Yeah, that's true.
Susie Park
And paddle under the water rapidly while trying to still keep their sweaters cool. It's kind of been fun.
Jenny Yang
I mean, wow. I love that such and wow, the cloths are coming out. I feel like for people who don't work, entertainment, the way I put it is like the sign of the times for us is that the Rock is selling tattoo cream. And Gwyneth Paltrow just recently said that she's adding carbs and cheese back into her diet.
Susie Park
That's right.
Jenny Yang
And so then, you know, it's tough times. Do you know what I'm saying? It's. We're doing what we all can to cope is what it is.
Susie Park
A recalibration of planet Earth is what it is.
Jenny Yang
It is.
Susie Park
Yeah, it is.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Now, Jenny quickly asked me if I did purchase papatui tattoo lotion.
Susie Park
No, you did not.
Jenny Yang
Wait, are you familiar with the rocks? Is it because you're a Pacific Islander? Ally?
Susie Park
No, it's because she's covered in tattoos.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
I mean, just my arm. Sutchin, please.
Susie Park
I don't know that. And as you know that, I need proof of that.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
What you know, suchin, is that I'm obsessed with moisturization.
Susie Park
That I do know she's got a weird thing.
Jenny Yang
That's fair.
Susie Park
You say a morsel of dryness, it really creeps her out.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
I don't like it.
Jenny Yang
I really don't like it. Your body is not built for dry weather. Cool up. And so that's actually.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Yeah. You both have dried earwax. I have.
Jenny Yang
You know.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Wet.
Jenny Yang
That's right.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Slimy. Southeast Asian.
Susie Park
She said it, not me.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Think about it.
Jenny Yang
For those who follow the add to cart lore that has been established that East Asians here have dry earwax. And. And I'm not saying it's not weird,
Susie Park
but it doesn't matter. Right.
Jenny Yang
Sorry. It's superior. Sorry. East Asian supremacy. Sorry. I know.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Well, I'm used to it. So it's not like, you know, I don't. This is very familiar.
Susie Park
And again, we just tear it down. Didn't we do this last time?
Jenny Yang
We all sat together yes.
Susie Park
We built it up and then we tore it down. God, that's fun.
Jenny Yang
And now we're doing it during APA Heritage. Okay, this is. I'm so sorry.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
No, it's to. It's our right.
Susie Park
That's absolutely. I haven't felt this powerful in years.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Jenny, please tell us about your new podcast. I wanna know. Yeah, okay.
Jenny Yang
I'm so excited. You know, I've just sort of. When the pandemic happened, I got depressed, like everyone, you know, people were dying, things like that. And I was just like, I don't wanna be online. And I finally, in the last year or so, figured out how I wanna be online again, which is I need to process what's going on. And so I figured out a way to take three old iPhones and an iPad and shoot video and audio weekly. And I'm doing that now.
Susie Park
She's making her way downtown.
Jenny Yang
I am making my way downtown. And so I've just hard launched the podcast, the home of it. The full extended cut will always be@jenny yang.substack.com but you can listen to really juicy shorter episodes out wherever you pod. It's called what should we talk about with Jenny Yang? And I have one to two guests every week and we all suggest, suggest topics and then I curate the agenda. You as a listener can also suggest. And it could be anything. It could be petty, it's philosophical, it could be current, it could be historical. It doesn't matter what topic. We could have a submission from Add to Cart. Be like the Add to Cart aunties want you to talk about X. You know, and I can add that to the agenda and we discuss it and it's fun.
Susie Park
I love, you know, that's. We've talked about this before. We're going to continue to talk about it. But for me, doing this podcast, besides the, you know, billions of dollars I've made from it, is the processing for someone like me who doesn't like to process. I'm not saying I can't do it on my own, but she can't do it on my own. I can't do it, like medically can't do it on my own. You know, I'm in between therapists trying to find the right one. So for me it's. If there isn't an appointment time where I'm processing, God, that's really crazy because to not see your own self, what does that mean? And I'm asking that not facetiously, dysregulation, is that really what it is?
Jenny Yang
That's what that is. That's what that is.
Susie Park
That's what it is. I don't see myself ever.
Jenny Yang
Do you not feel like you have a regular portal into your inner life?
Susie Park
Oh, God, no. I would hate that.
Jenny Yang
Yeah.
Susie Park
Interesting.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
You're talking about me right now. My ears are burning.
Susie Park
Because you have a regular portal.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
I'm your regular portal, dumbass.
Jenny Yang
Wow.
Susie Park
Again.
Jenny Yang
Do you see that?
Susie Park
You see that? Okay, sorry. Real time processing here, Jenny. And I'm glad that you're here for it, because this is what your podcast is about. Is that, like, when she said portal, blah, blah, blah. I was like, oh, God, can't going inside, but cool up. The safe word for me is she's my mirror. And so, like, I'll say something or do something, and she will just be like, yeah, that's why you do this. It seems very obvious maybe from the outside in, because I can't see myself.
Jenny Yang
Right?
Susie Park
So that. That's. Sorry, I just.
Jenny Yang
That's just good friendship, you know, is to have someone be a mirror. Also, if you grew up in a way where what you think is normal is actually not, it helps to have other people hear you describe it. And then go, wait, what? And then you go, wait. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Is that weird? You know, like, the way other people had, like, Nutter Butters and Oreo cookies in packages and, you know, like, they got to eat that after school? Never. I'm like, no, we didn't have that.
Susie Park
We didn't have that.
Jenny Yang
But when I went to Carrie's house, you know, and she's my one white friend from elementary school, I was like, what? How are we all. I don't under.
Susie Park
Wait, can we.
Jenny Yang
There's packaged snacks, and I would pass
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
out white rabbits, and all the white people would think I was magic. Because you eat the paper.
Jenny Yang
That's right. That was such a flex. Why was every child with rice paper? It was such a thing for white people to impress them.
Susie Park
I just saw it recently in real time at a store and a little kid who wasn't Asian, I was like, oh, you don't peel that. You eat it.
Jenny Yang
And they were like, eh, But.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
And meanwhile, coolop in Minnesota is like, may I buy your friendship?
Susie Park
Can we go the table? Wait, I move.
Jenny Yang
That's. You impress them. That's how you impress them.
Susie Park
Celebrating aunties and Asians. Wait, can we go around the table and just quickly say that? Like one experience that maybe like a core memory, early memory when you were like, oh, that's not what we do in my house. Or that doesn't appear in my house. Like, I'll go first. I once was at my friend's house, white, and she asked if I. Her mother, if I could stay for dinner. And her mother said, well, she'll have to have your portion. And I had half of her dinner.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
What the fuck is it?
Jenny Yang
Is a dog eat dog out here? Dog eat dog world America. Wow.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Damn.
Jenny Yang
I mean, to her credit, she probably
Susie Park
only bought four pork chops.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Yeah. It's just so not Asian. Like, I mean, I get it. If you were under a budget of my wildest. It's just even always have so much food.
Susie Park
Embryo of 8 years old. I was like, I.
Jenny Yang
You know what I mean?
Susie Park
I didn't. Couldn't specify, but I was like, that's up.
Jenny Yang
Yeah. Anyway, they're 100% parents who kick their kids out at exactly 18 years old.
Susie Park
Huh.
Jenny Yang
You know what I mean? I feel like that's like very white American to me.
Susie Park
I've never heard of it.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Yeah, for me, I can't remember. It was elementary school for sure and definitely before third grade. And kids would bring for lunch and for snacks, string cheese. So I begged my mom, can I have string cheese? She bought it for me. That part was so nice. And then I opened up a package and I started pulling the string cheese as one is meant to do. And she yelled at me and said that I was playing with my food and then forced me to eat it like a carrot. Like a psychopath. And so I ate that cheese like it was.
Susie Park
Ew.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
I don't know. Again, you can't eat it that way.
Susie Park
You can't. It sits like a rock in your stomach.
Jenny Yang
If you can't peel, doesn't digest, you cannot chop.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
No.
Jenny Yang
You have mozzarella stick.
Susie Park
Okay, Jenny, cheese.
Jenny Yang
I mean string cheese. It's mozzarella stick to me. I know when it's cold.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
String. Yeah, but you string it that you pull the string.
Susie Park
That's how foreign it is to her. She hasn't even. I know yet.
Jenny Yang
She's using me. Sorry. That is traumatizing. Yeah. I have so many of these stories. I don't know where to start. But I feel like, you know, it's like what I mentioned. I didn't realize there was packaged food because my mom cooked every day and everything you ate? Yeah, yeah. It just. I never understood that. I was like, why do you have so many packaged foods? It's so expensive. How can you just. It's just willy nilly in this cabinet. You just grab whatever you want after school. What your parents are in here. You could just eat whatever you want. The other thing I realized was I had a white girlfriend who had a very messy bedroom and I thought that was crazy. I was like, how is that possible? How do you exist? Your underwear is just around on the floor.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
What?
Jenny Yang
You know, I like just dirty laundry everywhere. I was like, okay, yeah. So, you know, I don't ascribe that to white people, but that was my childhood white encounter.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
I mean, look, this is a taste of, you know, what can be talked about, certainly at Abscar, but of course your sub stack in your new podcast.
Jenny Yang
Yes, it could be anything. It could be political statements or it could be silly things.
Susie Park
I'm going to submit this and force you to have us on and we're going to talk about this.
Jenny Yang
Okay. Yeah, but it's, you know, you do know it's in person. Wow. What are we going to do about that? Are we, are we going to have to visit where you are?
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Suchen, I have him come down.
Susie Park
I have a she shed. I have a she shed.
Jenny Yang
I will go mobile. I will go mobile.
Susie Park
You guys have a she shed. I have my own snacks in there. I have a refrigerator in there.
Jenny Yang
Do you have a good lighting?
Susie Park
I have fantastic lighting. So much lighting.
Jenny Yang
Do you have studio lighting? Because I do have studio lighting.
Susie Park
No, I don't have studio lighting. Jenny. I'm not making my way. God damn you. Don't call me out like that.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
We're gonna take our first break and at some point off mic, Jenny, I'm gonna ask you why you added to cart substack versus other subscription platforms. But we're not gonna get now, now that I remain a Jenny.
Susie Park
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Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Okay, let's take a break. We are back on add to cart with the wonderful Jenny Yang. Before we get into your cart, Jenny, just remind us, what's your shopping style? Well, how do you add a cart?
Jenny Yang
Oh, I add to cart, and then I don't pay. I just leave it in the cart. And then they're like, did you forget something? I get an email. It's always that. And it comes and goes because, you know, definitely I did a lot of purchasing when I got this house, but after that, it's just kind of been you know, soothing myself during the pandemic with certain clothing purchases that I will never wear. And then I think this year, with a lot of the economic boycotts, it was just another incentive for me to be like, 2025. I should definitely be no buy or low buy. So, yeah, that's where I'm at right now. I will still buy or spend money on food. You know what I mean? And sometimes food experiences. But I'll be frank. I sold a. An asset. I won't say what it is, but I sold an asset recently just so that I could be liquid because I was running out of money, you know, and that Hollywood money isn't coming in as quickly. But guess what? Lots of growth on the substack. Subscriptions, Paid subscriptions. So I appreciate that. But yeah, so because of that, I was like, oh, I should just kind of, like, dial back the purchasing.
Susie Park
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because money not spent is money earned.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
That's right. Let's keep talking about your sub sack. And one of the things you're adding to cart is tagging your famous childhood crush in videos to get their attention.
Susie Park
Wait, what?
Jenny Yang
So this is what happened. A couple weeks ago, I had a conversation about Sinners. It was sort of. It was themed around being an Asian and black deep dive into the movie because there was, like, a Chinese Mississippi delta presence of a character in the story. And I had Blakely Thornton, which I know you've had on add to Cart, and Dalile, who was the Chinese cultural consultant for Ryan Coogler on the movie Sinners. And so the three of us chatted about sort of like that intersection of Asian and black. And I was just saying that, you know, I will assume if someone vaguely Looks Asian or Chinese, that they are Asian or Chinese. So if you're a famous black person and I'm like, I will look you up and be like, are you from the Caribbean?
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Yeah.
Jenny Yang
You know what I'm saying? Like, I will do that because we are everywhere. Chinese people are everywhere. And there's a lot of mixed black folks or mixed white, whatever, Latinx folks who are Chinese. And one of the people I mentioned was Tyson Beckford. And that was included in a clip that I put on my socials and bleakly tagged him and he responded and then he DMed me with a lovely emoji.
Susie Park
What was the emoji? An Asian emoji. Was it a fruit emoji?
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
And was it. Oh, jinpa.
Susie Park
I was gonna say an apple.
Jenny Yang
It was not a fruit.
Susie Park
Like, take a bite of the apple.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Oh, okay. I thought, all right.
Jenny Yang
Cause I said that Tyson Beckford was very. Tyson Beckford was very instrumental to my burgeoning libido.
Susie Park
Yeah.
Jenny Yang
My puberty.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
And we're grateful.
Jenny Yang
He sends a little.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
A little heart.
Jenny Yang
He sends a little heart.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
It's like an emoji of him with hearts on it. That's lovely.
Jenny Yang
Isn't that nice?
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
It's so nice.
Susie Park
God. When a man dms you and it's not problematic. We celebrate that in 2025, don't we? Because I want to celebrate that.
Jenny Yang
Look him up if you don't know who he is. He's a fine, fine ass model slash actor. Still fine from the 90s and forever in my heart.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Oh, my goodness. You were just talking about you've resolved to have a low to no buy year. And so you are. You're using the things you have.
Jenny Yang
I am. And I know it's not relatable, but, you know, as someone who gets like PR gifts, because I'm a micro niche influencer, I'm using the stuff that I'm given, you know?
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Yeah. Like a first gen oura ring.
Jenny Yang
I'm using an aura ring. First gen. It was like third gen or something, but it was sitting in a box forever. And it was from that, you know, that HBO show called Made for Love. It was about, like virtual reality Christina Melody.
Susie Park
Oh, yeah.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Yes. Yes.
Jenny Yang
Was the star of it.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Okay.
Jenny Yang
It was like low key scary, but like sci fi. Anyway, HBO Max 100% had that money before they fully integrated. So they said, we're gonna give you fancy promo gifts.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Yeah.
Susie Park
That is a very fancy promo gift. Of course, you're now logged into an HBO Max database that's tracking you, but who cares? Everything Has a price.
Jenny Yang
Yeah. So I've been using this oura ring, and turns out, guys, I am stressed out for no reason. Oh, no, because this oura ring will give you graphs about your stress levels.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Yeah, but Jenny's a trap. It's not for no reason, sweetheart. You know, it's not for no reason
Susie Park
that you just said.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
There's actually a lot of reasons, Jenny.
Susie Park
So you literally spent the first half of me talking about all of the reasons, which is also why I don't wear one of those. I'm like, I don't need you to tell me what I know, which is
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
that she's not sleeping and that she's
Jenny Yang
stressed out, and then I'm stressed out. Exactly.
Susie Park
Like, what? Come on.
Jenny Yang
But it's nice to, like, remind me, because I am trying to build in more rest days, and that is a luxury that I can try to intentionally do that. So I'm trying to rest, okay? I'm trying to read my little books.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Yes, girl.
Jenny Yang
My little walks.
Susie Park
Rest is resistance.
Jenny Yang
Ease into my sleep. Rest is resistance. Especially for people who've been doing too much already. I'm telling the people who are not doing anything to step the fuck up. Okay? I feel like rest is resistance can be taken too far. All right. Okay. Because I am a recovering, overachieving type. A little piece of shit, okay. And I don't know how to do anything less. And I'm telling you, everyone else who doesn't relate to that, y' all are the ones mooching off of us. So it's time for you to step up.
Susie Park
Yes.
Jenny Yang
I love it. We need to rest. So rest is resistance. Yes. But if you're not doing shit, please, please step the fuck up.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
That's right.
Jenny Yang
Okay. That's where I'm at right now.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
That's where you are at.
Jenny Yang
I'm doing a weekly fucking podcast on my own. I got fucking softbox lights. I have four fucking microphones. That's just my default.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
That's me resting.
Susie Park
I'm actually nauseous to think about it. For you.
Jenny Yang
That's me resting. Yeah, that's me at. At 50%.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Oh, my God. That's.
Jenny Yang
I'm not even doing that much state of comedy anymore, okay? So y' all need to fucking step up. I'm just saying. Restless resistance. Yeah. Resist the rest for me, not for you. Exactly. We need to get granular on these fucking statements, okay?
Susie Park
It depends on what time you're listening to this conversation. Let's start there. Look at your watch.
Jenny Yang
If you heard me say I'm an A type, hall monitor, overachieving piece of shit. And you didn't laugh at that. That means you are not and you need to step up.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Good.
Susie Park
I'm glad we're giving them markers. We are clear signs along the way so nobody is confused.
Jenny Yang
I have too many emotions. That's why I need to do this weekly podcast. Or else what am I going to do? Just yell at my fiance all day? It's satisfying cuz he's a white man, but you know, I can't. He can only take a vessel for my anger.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
He can't bear that entire burden.
Jenny Yang
No, no, not the ancestral burden of all of my anger. No.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
It's just simply not fair.
Susie Park
He cannot.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
He can hold up some of it though, but not all of it.
Jenny Yang
Not most of it, no. And for my podcast, he's on the fourth mic, but he's heard, not seen, which feels right. You know what I mean? He's never on camera. I will never let another white man be on a podcast. Mic, camera, not on my watch. Was too much. That's too much. I told you, I'm already doing too much. I'm resisting with rest. The rest of you, you need a step up.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
That's right. Do your stretches and then get to fucking work.
Jenny Yang
Seriously.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Let's talk about five Calls app. Suchin's brought it up before, but I love that you're. You're all about it too.
Jenny Yang
Yeah, the 5 calls app is such an innovation, you know, it kind of takes away the pain of like being like, what's. Who's my representative? What's the script? Am I going to say to this person? Because you know these Gen Z people, they don't want to talk on the phone, period. Much less we're out here trying to tell them to call your representative because we want to protest. So five Calls is so beautiful because you just put in your address and it'll just give you a one clicker. Just click through.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Yeah.
Jenny Yang
And it gives you a little script and you could just like, you could just be just like a stripper with dead eyes and just say the words. Do you know what I'm saying? You know, like you don't have to put any energy into it and you just say the words. And that's what's nice about it. It really takes the friction out from like being politically activated. Why? Suchin, what are you talking. Why are you laughing so hard?
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Okay, I'm laughing because you said stripper, dead eye, stripper. And then you said it removes the friction. That's why? I'm laughing, Soojin, Why are you laughing?
Susie Park
I'm sorry. That's not enough. We need to do more than that. We need to come up with more material than that. I have a sweat mustache. Like, yes. Dead eyes. That's. That's the kind of protesting that people like us want to do at this point. Like you said.
Jenny Yang
Yeah. You don't need to put your emotions into it. You don't have your emotions.
Susie Park
They're not invested in it. They're not putting their emotion into it.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Especially since we are being inundated. It's not. You can't. You physically can't expend that much cortisol.
Susie Park
That's what's so great about this app. You just tap and you move on. That's it.
Jenny Yang
Exactly.
Susie Park
That's what we're telling you. The pitch is that it's half a sentence. So it's really for the most minimal effort for the biggest impact is this. And I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Jenny Yang
Just go through the motions and you'll get your call logged. And there we go. That's activism.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Let's talk about how you stripped your hair in and now it's blonde.
Jenny Yang
See, that's the kind of segue I expect at ADD to cart. Okay, we got a journalist. We got a cooler. All right. We got a high energy, improvised, trained cool up. And she will give us.
Susie Park
Oh, she's transaction. That's right. That's corporate transition. Do you know what I'm saying? Like you have to like there's 401k. There's. You know what I mean? There's training.
Jenny Yang
She's fully salaried. That's a full transition. Like you don't, you don't just pick
Susie Park
that up on Tick Tock. Like.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
No, no, there's training.
Jenny Yang
I mean snack and coffee budget. You know what I mean? There is a break room.
Susie Park
There's a break room. Exactly.
Jenny Yang
Yeah.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Now Jennie is a natural Asian with blonde hair and she's found something. She's found a Korean hair mask that is better than Olaplex and almost as good as K18. What is it, Jenny?
Jenny Yang
Yeah, it's called CER100. I don't know some of these Korean brands, they're getting lost in translation, but
Susie Park
I know what it looks like.
Jenny Yang
So cer 100. There might be like a bigger beauty brand name to it, but that's the like precise hair mask and it comes in a tube and it has like an. A redhead orange haired cartoon on it.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Yes, it's Elizaveca is The brand Elizaveca.
Jenny Yang
Great. So I don't know why this Korean brand got such an Italian ass name, but maybe it's not Korean. But I really love it. It's really affordable. And when you dye your hair, you strip it of all its natural Asian nutrients. It feels like straw. And so when you put in this little mask before you do your conditioner, it just transforms it. And then K18, I do love it.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
It's expensive.
Jenny Yang
I got it.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
It's expensive.
Jenny Yang
It's very expensive. For like $75 for this little thing. Yeah, yeah. No, I got that as a fucking PR promo. So I ain't gonna buy that shit again.
Susie Park
Not in this economy.
Jenny Yang
Not in this economy. Not when I can spend $12 on something that's twice the amount.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
I mean, this is a hot tip. This is a really hot tip.
Susie Park
I'm gonna give you another hot tip that I hope will happen again is I bought my years of K18 half off during Black Friday. So I have like a little list, it's a very tight edited list of things that just I never not have. And then I just wait for Black Friday and I do the searches. And generally, I would say 90% of my list is then bought for the year on that day.
Jenny Yang
Oh, that's so good. See, that is a smart buyer.
Susie Park
Yeah, I mean, I have so much of it, I just use it as like, you know, flyaway hair cream.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
What?
Jenny Yang
Wow. You are rich in K18.
Susie Park
Correct.
Jenny Yang
You're like, I use it as body lotion. Yes.
Susie Park
By the way, every day, people listening to this, knowing what K18 costs. Yeah, I said it.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Damn, girl.
Susie Park
I'm unrelatable.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
You are. Wow.
Jenny Yang
Wow.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Okay, well, let's take our second break and be back inside of Quince.
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Jenny Yang
Yeah.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Let's talk about these phone cases by Bailey Hikawa.
Jenny Yang
I'm showing you guys my phone case. I love it. Bailey Hikawa is an artist, Asian American. And it's just kind of like, I don't know, sculptural but ergonomic. And it just makes you feel like you're not going to drop your phone as easily. It does double the volume of an actual phone, so it's not like it's just a pocket phone situation, but it's a purse phone. And I do swap it out when I do want to pocket phone it for, like, a slimmer case, but just for, like, everyday use. It's just so much more fun to handle because there's, like knobs and nubs on it, you know?
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Oh, that's tactile. That's interesting. I haven't seen anything like that. Jenny, I like this.
Jenny Yang
Yeah. Hot tip. What a tip.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
If you go on our website, there's so many different designs and colors. Let's see. Here we are. Let's see. They range from about like 59 to, let's say 89 with. With even more special ones that look really cool. This is so cool. How did you hear about this brand?
Jenny Yang
I feel like I saw it on some, like, pushed Instagram ad.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Oh, yeah.
Jenny Yang
You know, and then I saw Margaret Cho and then she has it. And then I was like, oh, that's right. This is the thing that, like, I was trying not to buy. So this is one of the few things I did buy this year that was like beyond just food and subsistence because I wanted a new phone for shooting my. My new podcast. Because that's what I shoot my podcast on, video wise is. Is through iPhones.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
I mean, Jen, trust that I'm listening to you and I'm leaning in hard, really hard.
Susie Park
And to be honest, realizing how. How much it takes and also leaning out, you know?
Jenny Yang
Yeah, that's right. I'm just. I'm not leaning in anymore. I'm leaning back.
Susie Park
Yeah, this is saying a lot.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
I'm saying a lot.
Jenny Yang
My aura tells me that
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
my aura
Susie Park
ring is out here telling me she's never worked this hard for a client.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Jenny, I want to jump around. I want to. I want you to talk to us about this. Remove from cart. I just want you to cook. I want you to.
Susie Park
Yeah, let's do it.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Spout off about anti DEI backlash.
Jenny Yang
Oh, my God. Remove to Cart Anti DEI backlash. It is so annoying. It's like when corporate America was barely in the DEI pool and they're like, jumping out so quick. You're like, was that too hot for you already? Is this a hot tub? I thought this was just a nice, warm, heated pool.
Susie Park
Barely.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
I mean, lukewarm barely.
Susie Park
It's a foot bath.
Jenny Yang
The rest of us were in that pool. They're like, come on in, the water's fine. But corporate America, they got so scared because they're like, well, the sign of the times. Gotta be able to sell to middle America. How many more cowboy westerns can we make on television? No, no, this is unacceptable.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Yeah.
Jenny Yang
How do you reject us when you barely wanted us?
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Yeah.
Jenny Yang
That's the goal of it all. The audacity. It's like some guy coming up to you, and then they're like, hey, what's up, girl? And you're like, oh, no, I'm sorry. I'm just here to have a. A girls night out, you know, Have a good night. And they're like, well, you. Then you're ugly anyway. You know what I mean? That's how. That's how that feels.
Susie Park
Yeah.
Jenny Yang
Right? It's the audacity. It's all of it.
Susie Park
Yeah. Because, I mean, it's like from our perspective, it's like so little.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
So.
Susie Park
It was so little one almost. Fine, take it. It have it slightly. Gonna be that much worse. I'm just saying. You know what I mean?
Jenny Yang
Yeah. DEI initiatives do have money attached to it, which is nice, but it's like.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
And.
Jenny Yang
And let me just use the case of Canada, for example. Canada is definitely not perfect. Okay. But they actually fund art. Yeah. You know, I mean, they, like, they have money for, like, stuff like that, which is considered liberal or progressive and dei. Ish. Because what we could actually recognize, like humanity beyond those who are in power. That's. That's insane to me. We could have it so much better, and then they have the gall to call it dei, do you know what I'm saying? Like, the whole framing of DI originally was already upsetting because you're like, oh, we're just people who have something really great to offer, but you have to put this frame around it. Like, it's diversity, equity, and inclusion. Fine, let's just call it that. But now you'd want to take that money away. And it's like, okay, well, then you're
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
also gonna, you know, find Target. Then you don't have my money. And I was, oh, my God, there quite a bit. But that's fine. Then I'll take money too.
Susie Park
Yeah.
Jenny Yang
This is what's upsetting is we've come so far from, you know, posting black squares on Instagram in June of 2020 to. Yeah, this is really revealing how much you are a fair weather friend. You know, so many people were out here in 2020 being like, oh right, let's bring in creators of color, black folks into say Target. Right. All of these incredible.
Susie Park
Yeah, they made a lot of money creative.
Jenny Yang
Yeah. And they did. Because what are we going to do? We're going to go to Tabitha. You know, I forgot her last name at the Brown. Tabitha Brown. But of course we're going to go buy some eggs and whatever other things. So much, so much money off of them. You know, it's not just Di, but it's bottom line. And so I just think it's really silly and, and not good for business. Can I say for business. That's so wild.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
It's not good for business.
Jenny Yang
Yeah. Target's been getting the CEO got a pay cut or some shit.
Susie Park
Yeah.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
But still getting millions and millions. Millions and millions, but 45% less.
Susie Park
So that feels good.
Jenny Yang
Yeah. So I feel like, you know, I think one of where I'm at right now is DEI as a framework was shit to begin with. But for you to now say we don't want you in this DI framework is annoying. And then also for fellow BIPOC creators, fellow Asian Americans especially, you know, I think we really need to question how much we have placed our trust into representational politics. Just because I see someone with an Asian face doesn't mean they're truly about me or about taking care of the most vulnerable amongst us. And I think that's what's really the message I want us to hear is like as Asian Americans, we cannot pray at the altar of representation only. There's other things that really matter. How we're treated isn't just by putting our faces in a commercial if they don't care about us in other ways. So.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
And you're talking about like performative, presentational only.
Jenny Yang
Yeah, sure. Some of those actors get hired because you know they're gonna have to be the faces of these commercial campaigns. But this is where my politics comes in. You know, I don't believe capitalism can save us. You know, and this is coming from someone who's kind of rich. I'm gonna just say it. I made some good money working in this industry. Even before when I worked in politics, I had a six figure salary. So as they say, those who have Money. Sometimes it's easier for them to say how. It's not important. But that's not everything, is all I'm saying.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Wow. Wow, wow, wow, wow. I like it.
Jenny Yang
It.
Susie Park
Yeah, I like it.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
I like it.
Susie Park
Yeah.
Jenny Yang
Burn it down.
Susie Park
Oh, sorry. Was that not the message? Sorry.
Jenny Yang
That's what I got from that. You know, things are collapsing. I think it's a matter of, like, I. I'm really of the mindset of like, all I can control is my life and what I can. My sphere of influence. And so let me try to create the world that I want to live in in a small way. So I've been organizing these, like, monthly get togethers for people to feel like they can do some level of physical activism. We don't take photos of it, we don't do videos of it, but that's what we're trying to do to encourage each other to kind of figure that out. Yeah, Anything that allows us to, like, not have to rely on these systems like corporations or big box retailers, you know, subsistence, the oligarchs. How do we feel less dependent? You know, because that's the thing. It's like a lot of us who are Asian American come from immigrants or refugees. Like, we know what it's like to not rely on documented, official things.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Yeah.
Jenny Yang
Like a cash economy, bartering.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
We know that.
Jenny Yang
We know what that's like.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
We know that.
Jenny Yang
Okay. For the longest time, I never went to like a Ralph's or a Vons. You know, we grew up going to the, to the Latino Supermarket or the 99 Ranch or like the Vietnamese small grocery store or we grew the vegetables in our garden. So, you know, anything that's like, about subsistence, we're going to be able to learn from our elders, generally.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
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Jenny Yang
Add to cart.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Jenny, where can people follow you and then remind people how to sign up for your sub stack?
Jenny Yang
Yeah, so you can follow me on instagram or on TikTok at Jenny Yang TV, go to jenny yang.substack.com and that will be where you will be able to watch video of my podcast or listen to it. But now I've officially pushed it out as a podcast, wherever you could listen to it. So if you want to hear a shorter version of my podcast, you could just go wherever you pod. But then if you want the full extended cut.
Susie Park
That's right.
Jenny Yang
You have to go to Jenny A comma and become a paid subscriber.
Susie Park
Yeah, that's right.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
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Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
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Susie Park
Cheap. That's cheap, mother.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
You know what I mean?
Susie Park
That's what I'm saying. She's at 50%, giving you 110. If that isn't a deal, if we can't end this month on the best deal around, then what is Aapi Hm month? What is it if we can't end on a discount account?
Jenny Yang
Yeah, you got to support smaller creators like me. Those corporate hoes.
Kulap Vilayphonh Sock
Them, them. Please make sure you follow us on Instagram at Attic Cart Pod. Jenny, thank you again for returning. You're the best. You're the absolute best.
Susie Park
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Episode: Add It Again: Jenny Yang’s Rest is Resistance. You Step Up.
Date: May 8, 2026
In this engaging episode of Add to Cart, hosts Kulap Vilaysack and SuChin Pak welcome back comedian, actor, and writer Jenny Yang as they wrap up their AAPI (Asian American Pacific Islander) and Native Hawaiian Heritage Month programming. The conversation is a mix of comedic banter, cultural reflection, lessons on rest and resistance, and what it means to "add to cart"—both literally in shopping and metaphorically in life decisions. Jenny shares updates on her new podcast, her evolving relationship with rest, and her takes on everything from Asian childhood memories to DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion) in corporate America. The episode is filled with lively personal stories, product recommendations, and candid, unfiltered commentary on identity, wellness, and activism.
“When the pandemic happened, I got depressed, like everyone... and I finally, in the last year or so, figured out how I wanna be online again.” (08:46)
“The safe word for me is she’s my mirror. So like, I’ll say something or do something, and she’ll just be like, yeah, that’s why you do this…” (11:12)
“Oh, I add to cart, and then I don't pay. I just leave it in the cart... it comes and goes because… I'll be frank. I sold an asset… just so that I could be liquid…” (21:31)
“He [Tyson Beckford] sends a little heart... Not problematic—we celebrate that in 2025, don’t we?” (24:30–24:38)
“Rest is resistance. Especially for people who've been doing too much already. I'm telling people who are not doing anything to step the fuck up... Rest is resistance can be taken too far, alright?” (26:55–27:32)
“I’m doing a weekly fucking podcast on my own. I got fucking softbox lights. I have four fucking microphones. That's just my default.” (27:34)
“It gives you a little script and you could just like… be just like a stripper with dead eyes and just say the words…” (29:55)
“It’s like when corporate America was barely in the DEI pool and they're like, jumping out so quick. You're like, was that too hot for you already?” (40:29)
“Just because I see someone with an Asian face doesn't mean they're truly about me or about taking care of the most vulnerable amongst us… we cannot pray at the altar of representation only.” (44:31)
On Asian American introspection:
"The self deprecation is very AAPI Heritage Month." – Jenny Yang (03:51)
On shopping in a capitalist comedy way:
“Oh, I add to cart, and then I don't pay. I just leave it in the cart.” – Jenny Yang (21:31)
On rest and overwork:
“Rest is resistance. Especially for people who've been doing too much already... If you’re not doing shit, please, please step the fuck up.” – Jenny Yang (26:55; 27:25)
On tokenism and representation:
“Just because I see someone with an Asian face doesn't mean they're truly about me or about taking care of the most vulnerable amongst us.” – Jenny Yang (44:31)
On activism fatigue and the Five Calls app:
“You could just be just like a stripper with dead eyes and just say the words… it really takes the friction out from being politically activated.” – Jenny Yang (29:55)
On resilience and adaptation:
"All I can control is my life and what I can. My sphere of influence. And so let me try to create the world that I want to live in in a small way." – Jenny Yang (45:19)
This episode is a lively, insightful tapestry of cultural comedy, practical tips, and honest conversations about rest, self-care, activism, and the perpetual “cart” of Asian American adulting. Jenny Yang shines with her signature wit and candor, offering listeners both the permission to slow down—or to step up—and a reminder that what we “add to cart” is always bigger than just products.