Aunties At Rest

Summary

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Add to Cart with Kulap Vilaysack & SuChin Pak

Episode: Aunties At Rest

Release Date: February 20, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this introspective and witty episode of Add to Cart, real-life friends and self-proclaimed “Aunties” Kulap Vilaysack and SuChin Pak reflect on 2026’s challenging start and discuss how they’re responding with gentler, more restorative rhythms in their lives. They open up about their evolving shopping habits (including no-buy eras and the thrill of hemming over new purchases), introducing kids to “big girl beds,” loving and lamenting flat butts, and, most importantly, the myriad and underrated ways we rest. The episode is equal parts cozy catch-up, practical shopping tips, and honest contemplation about self-care in difficult times—all delivered in Kulap and SuChin’s signature mix of laughter and candor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Embracing a New Era: From “Loose” to “Somewhat Scheduled”

• SuChin and Kulap muse about their intentions for a “looser” season of the show, only to notice they’re falling into a familiar, comfortable cadence.
• They acknowledge that what feels “tight” or structured for them is still loose compared to many listeners’ lives.
  • Memorable Quote:
    “Our tight is the loosest you’ve ever been, and we get that.” — SuChin (04:49)

2. Shopping Habits: From No-Buy Pacts to “Old in Closet, New on You”

• Both hosts share about their respective “no-buy” kicks, especially after overindulgence (Italy trips, holidays).
• SuChin details her habit of buying multiples when she finds something she loves, perfectly illustrated by her love of Everlane’s barrel-shaped “Way High Curve” jeans (13:10).
• Kulap and SuChin poke fun at the Jason Mantzoukas “1=0, 2=1” redundancy shopping philosophy and their own bulk-buying quirks.
• Both admit the thrill is more in the hunt and discovery, not just acquiring the item.
  • Memorable Quote:
    “If I really love something, I am going to buy multiples of it, and it’s a weird one.” — SuChin (12:45)
• The hosts discuss transitioning away from online impulse shopping ("the dopamine fix") in favor of shopping used or in-person for tactile satisfaction (19:46).

3. The Joy of Hemming (Feeling Fresh Without Spending New)

• Kulap highlights the satisfaction of finally hemming long-owned pants, making old items “feel like new.”
  • Memorable Moment:
    Kulap describes how altering clothing gives the double satisfaction of both decluttering and “shopping” your own closet (37:22).
• They reflect on body image, leg length illusions, and the comic realities of being convinced you’re taller than you are.

4. Dry January, Drier February, and “Incremental Self-Management”

• Kulap tries Dry January and considers stretching it to Drier February—noting mild benefits but admitting the real work is cutting late-night snacks.
  • Memorable Quote:
    “Didn’t lose a pound. In fact, gained weight. My problem really is I need to stop snacking after 7 pm.”—Kulap (42:14)
• They riff on how managing oneself is about small, self-aware strategies rather than all-or-nothing lifestyle overhauls.

5. Flat Butt Chronicles: A Family Affair

• SuChin shares her husband Mike’s humorous essay in Men’s Health about living with a flat butt, and the shifting “male butt” cultural conversation.
  • Memorable Quote:
    “My flat ass has haunted me since high school. So I did what any man would do and sought out some wisdom from the Internet. This is a story of my midlife butt crisis.” — Quoting Mike’s article (45:13)
• Both hosts joke about loving, mocking, or simply living with the butts in their family.

6. Auntie’s Add to Cart: Big Girl Beds and Whimsical Purchases

• Kulap reveals a spree for her daughter Emmy—a Nestig Wave Montessori convertible bed, Avocado mattress, Pottery Barn Kids Storybook Friends duvet, and a strawberry pillow.
  • She discusses the emotional milestones of these purchases, plus practical parenting hacks (the “clock that turns green” to teach Emmy when it’s okay to wake up).
  • Memorable Quote:
    “She can’t get out of bed until it turns green... She’s pretty good.” — Kulap (56:52)

7. The Many Types of Rest (and Why We All Need Them)

• SuChin introduces the concept of “seven types of rest,” emphasizing that “rest” isn’t just sleep—it's social, sensory, creative, emotional, and spiritual rest as well.
  • They reject the capitalist view that rest is only for productivity, arguing for rest as a right and necessity for well-being.
  • Memorable Insight:
    “Anything that charges your battery is rest.” — SuChin (65:32) “It's a better life. It's about endurance and enjoyment.” — Kulap (68:43)
• SuChin shares that it took her years and her children’s blunt wisdom to realize her own limits and the value of realistic self-care.
• They laugh about how rest—even in the form of short TV-fueled cat naps—becomes vital for parents and acknowledge the micro-moments that restore us.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On shopping in bulk / Mantzoukas philosophy:
  “If you have one, it is if you have none ... For certain items, there must be redundancy.” — Kulap (09:36)
• On nostalgia for real, in-person shopping:
  “Nothing is ever gonna compare to you being in a mountain town, happening upon a rich lady, closing her shop and selling things for €10...” — Kulap (21:31)
• On body image and clothing fit illusions:
  “I believe that I’m much taller than I actually am.” — Kulap (32:41)
  “And I believe I’m shorter than I am.” — SuChin (32:43)
• On rest and its many forms:
  “With my sleep struggles, one of the shifts for me was when I heard someone say, okay, if you’re up late at night and you're not asleep… you’re still resting. Like, take that pressure off.” — SuChin (62:13)
• On flat butt culture:
  “Let’s focus on the shit—men's butts. I want to objectify, demoralize, I want to do everything that's been done to the woman's boobies to the man's butt.” — SuChin (46:18)
• On parenting and self-awareness:
  "Well, if you're so tired all the time, why'd you have kids?" — SuChin’s daughter (72:47)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:19 — Episode check-in & “loose era” discussion
• 07:11 — No-buy resolutions and shopping for basics
• 09:35 — Jason Mantzoukas “bulk buying” philosophy analyzed
• 13:56 — SuChin’s Everlane “Way High Curve” jean obsession
• 19:46 — Moving away from online shopping for tactile pleasure
• 37:22 — Kulap’s hemming/alterations epiphany
• 39:41 — Dry January/Drier February & sleep goals
• 45:33 — Mike’s Men’s Health “flat butt” article
• 55:29 — Kulap’s big girl bed and bedding spree for Emmy
• 61:02 — The seven types of rest, explained
• 72:47 — Hilarious honesty from SuChin's daughter

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Episode Tone and Style

• Genuine, intimate, playful, and self-effacing
• Encourages reflection while making hilarity and confession central to the “Aunties” style
• Balances anecdotes, honest struggles, and practical tips with light-hearted ribbing

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Rest and renewal aren’t luxury goods or reserved for “retreat” moments—they’re daily, diverse, and essential.
• Shopping thoughtfully (or not at all) can be deeply satisfying, especially when you re-discover, repurpose, or mend what you already own.
• The “hunt” can matter more than getting—and sharing laughs about your quirks is its own reward.
• Sometimes wisdom comes from children, a hemmed pant, or a well-objectified flat butt.
• It’s okay for your “tempo” to change with the season or your needs—in 2026 and beyond.

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Transcript

[Coolop V Lysack]

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[Soochin Park]

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[Coolop V Lysack]

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[Soochin Park]

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[Coolop V Lysack]

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[Soochin Park]

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[Coolop V Lysack]

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[Soochin Park]

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[Coolop V Lysack]

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[Soochin Park]

also with that fire. Boy,

[Coolop V Lysack]

You forgot your bling bling.

[Soochin Park]

Wait.

[Coolop V Lysack]

We are rounding the corner to the end of February. Welcome to another episode of Add to Cart, the podcast about what we buy and what we buy into. We are independent ladies. I'm your auntie Coolop V Lysack.

[Soochin Park]

And I'm your other auntie, Soochin Park.

[Coolop V Lysack]

You know, we said that this would be like a looser era and here we are again, finding ourselves in a somewhat constant schedule. How do we do it such and Pakistan? How does that how always happen to us?

[Soochin Park]

I was thinking about that.

[Coolop V Lysack]

This.

[Soochin Park]

Well, we've been thinking about that last week, I think or whenever we recorded last. You texted. How are you feeling about. I forget what the actual word you used. But it was something to the effect of this suddenly tighter era.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yeah. Yes. Less loose perhaps. But now we went from loose, I don't know, like Grand Canyon, like in its circumference.

[Soochin Park]

Right, right, right, right.

[Coolop V Lysack]

And then now where do you think we are? Where are we now? I am surprised it's not like lemonades, but maybe this is what it was always going to shake up to be

[Soochin Park]

like a loose elastic ajuma pant.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Soochin Park]

And that is the perspective of two aunties in their loose era. We realize there are many of you listening who are in a very tight era.

[Coolop V Lysack]

That's true.

[Soochin Park]

And our tight is the loosest you've ever been. And we get that. We acknowledge that.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Oh, of course we acknowledge that.

[Soochin Park]

Of course we acknowledge that.

[Coolop V Lysack]

And the truth of the matter is, is that I and I said this to you is like I do better. I have to have it in the calendar or it just is out of sight. So this is probably best. It's just not what we intended.

[Soochin Park]

And will it be sustainable? That is the story of our lives. That is the story of our lives,

[Coolop V Lysack]

not what we intended. And will it be sustainable?

[Soochin Park]

No. And yeah. And we started off like fully intending to be loose.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Well, we started off quitting.

[Soochin Park]

Correct. And boy, let's take it back even further. When we decided to come back, it was a shock to the both of us. In fact, a little bit of even denial on my part. I thought, well, we got some back episodes that we recorded. Never saw the light of Day. As immigrants, we must sop up all the sauce.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Well, the weirdest thing of it all is that you were the one kind of, believe it or not, I may drive it, but you'll hand me the keys. You're like, hey, we gotta go someplace. Like, that's what happened, guys. She's the one who's like, hey, are you thinking of me?

[Soochin Park]

And that's my.

[Coolop V Lysack]

I just gotta know, are you thinking of me?

[Soochin Park]

That's my toxic trait, and that is how I achieve. With absolutely zero agency and complaining all the way. Complaining all the way. And nobody pays me any mind that knows me anymore.

[Coolop V Lysack]

No, no. But you are my passenger, princess. I am your chauffeur.

[Soochin Park]

But I did hand you the keys.

[Coolop V Lysack]

I am at your service.

[Soochin Park]

Yeah, you're right. So we're here.

[Coolop V Lysack]

We're here, we're here. Look. Okay, let's do a little bit of a check in. I think we've got a lot of show to get into. You had done so much shopping last year, having done Italy and getting mad at yourself for indulging SOE for Christmas. And so where you. You were like, you were like, no buy. Yeah, like, I'm. I'm gonna go into a no buy at least January.

[Soochin Park]

Oh, yeah. I'm looking at a. A no end date to no buy.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yeah. Wow.

[Soochin Park]

How do you feel that way?

[Coolop V Lysack]

Wow. Well, I did feel that way. And then you begin into my add to cards. Okay. Okay. I. You for Emmy.

[Emmy (child)]

Yeah.

[Soochin Park]

I. Number one. I certainly am not buying for my child.

[Coolop V Lysack]

No. She seems covered.

[Soochin Park]

And if you think that's harsh, you haven't heard the episode, the holiday episode where she got enough over the holidays. So, you know, I haven't had that feeling of wanting to shop, to be honest. I think a lot of people can relate. But also, I overindulged. But I really have to say that, like, my approach to shopping, the discretionary fund that I end up just wasting so much money on, right. Outside of, like, you know, the necessities. And we'll get into the add to carts, because some of these things are necessities for me and maybe luxuries for others. But for me, it's a category of clothing items. Okay. I don't need more stuff in that category. And yet that is the easiest thing for me to buy, and that is the thing that I spend the most time looking for, and that is the thing that I spend waste most of my money on. Okay.

[Coolop V Lysack]

So.

[Soochin Park]

And I say waste most of my money on because I have been spending. It's not like I've been not buying anything. I have been spending money, but I haven't bought anything.

[Coolop V Lysack]

As much as you say that you are, you purport that you were so different from Jason Manzoukas. I'm of course referring to.

[Soochin Park]

I still sit in that. At the first half of your sentence, I want to hear the latter half.

[Coolop V Lysack]

And you're very comfortable. And it's a pouch that has molded

[Soochin Park]

my flat, flat iron butt.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Your flat ass and your bird like feet.

[Soochin Park]

Correct. It's the perfect shape.

[Coolop V Lysack]

But you do, when it comes to your clothing specifically, you do adhere to his equation.

[Soochin Park]

What is his equation?

[Coolop V Lysack]

And you exceed his equation, which is. Everybody say it with me because I'm actually pulling it right now. Which is, wait, how does he go? Oh, God, you guys are screaming at me right now.

[Soochin Park]

I know you are.

[Coolop V Lysack]

It's like 1 equals 0, 2 equals 1, 3 equals 2. Right. He is all about for certain items there must be redundancy. If you have one, it is if you have none. So the way he is with like, let's say. And now, of course, I'm, you know, I'm prone to hyperbole, but the way that he has multiple shapes of rubber bands is the way that you have, like, you'll get into this mode of a certain pant. Wow. And that pant has to come laying

[Soochin Park]

my laundry out on the line.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Your literal laundry.

[Soochin Park]

Napping in the wind. Go on.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Every trip you have ever taken out of the country illustrates it the most. It's like your equation is larger. You're like, okay, if you have 10 Italian belts, you have zero.

[Soochin Park]

Yeah.

[Coolop V Lysack]

11 belts is one. 12 belts is three. 13 belts is four. 15 belts is actually to such. And pak five Italian belts.

[Soochin Park]

Now, if this math is confusing, it's because you're dumb. And that's not your fault. This is a high level math. I am. I. What's after Ph.D. you know what I mean?

[Coolop V Lysack]

Like, who's teaching that?

[Soochin Park]

Masterclass.

[Coolop V Lysack]

And thank you for sponsoring us. Masterclass. We'd love to have you back on like this.

[Soochin Park]

And I'd love to be on there in the math category. Don't put me in the lifestyle category.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Do not do that.

[Soochin Park]

Don't do that in the math category. Yeah, you're right. It doesn't make sense to anyone but me and Annie.

[Coolop V Lysack]

You mean Annie, your best friend and life coach?

[Soochin Park]

Annie, my best friend, life coach, travel hostage and shopping coach.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Well, travel hostage. Then it's Munchausen. And again, she is actually physically driving you.

[Soochin Park]

Correct. I've given her the ticket Metaphorically, I've given to the. This is where I want to go. These are the cities I want to hit. This is my list of things I need to buy. Book your ticket, and then she's there picking me up at the train station.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Correct, Correct.

[Soochin Park]

Yeah, I see where you're going with this. So is this also akin to Jason Mantzoukas having 80 white button downs?

[Coolop V Lysack]

Absolutely.

[Soochin Park]

Okay. Yeah.

[Coolop V Lysack]

But that's his, like, uniform, so he doesn't have a think. Right. Like, who do I go to when I'm looking for things for Scott Aukerman? I go to Santa Paul Sheeran, and I go to Jason. And Jason has gotten me into Taylor Stitch and, like, certain. Certain brands for Scott that I keep going back to. Right. Cause Jason is very, very. He wants quality. He wants fit. When he likes something, he likes something. Surprise, surprise. Now, Sushin Pac.

[Soochin Park]

Yeah.

[Coolop V Lysack]

You'll go through, like, this is the thing that you must have.

[Soochin Park]

And I buy in bulk.

[Coolop V Lysack]

And you buy in bulk.

[Soochin Park]

Yes.

[Coolop V Lysack]

You buy in bulk.

[Soochin Park]

I am. Yes. I'm one of those weird fashion categories. If I really like something, I will buy multiples of. Of it. Exactly the same thing. Or maybe it'll be, like, a very variation in color. But if I really love something, I am going to buy multiples of it, and it's a weird one.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Striped shirts.

[Soochin Park]

Striped shirts. Certain. And a lot of times the categories are categories that are news to me. I won't know it until I'm touching it. In Italy. I won't know that. A ballet flat with a very large silver buckle. I should have bought more. And now I found sort of like a copy of it, and Annie gifted it to me for Christmas. The exact same shoe because I was complaining that I didn't buy more of this particular shoe. Now, that wasn't in my category. My list before I went to Italy. So a lot of times it'll be something that I need or want and I need to buy multiples of. I. E. Everlane Wavy jeans. Have them in every single color and will for the rest of my life. And I get scared that they're gonna discontinue it.

[Coolop V Lysack]

What is a wavy jean, please? Is it called wavy?

[Soochin Park]

It's a barrel shape, but they have, like, a different name for it.

[Coolop V Lysack]

I remember when we. We were still at Le Monada, Young man and Tiffany. We were talking about barrel jeans. The way that I saw Duchin light up like a car beaming out of her chest.

[Soochin Park]

She had a belly for this. I still have it saved somewhere, and I haven't done it Because I mean, truly, this is. Because I just don't believe that for me a better gene is out there. It's called. Let me just shout it out. This is not sponsored. I've paid full price. Although I do wait for, you know, often everlasting. A few times a year we'll do a 30% the way high curve gene. The way high curve gene. That's what they call it. Which is a barrel.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Use wavy.

[Soochin Park]

Wavy jean.

[Coolop V Lysack]

And it honestly works same. Cause that's what it is. That's what it was.

[Soochin Park]

Everlane wavy jean. Okay, so Google search, you'll get exactly the same.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yeah. What are you binging on? If I may.

[Soochin Park]

So in terms of add to carting or.

[Coolop V Lysack]

I'm talking about clothing item.

[Soochin Park]

Oh. So no. So I'm not buying any. First of all, I'm not buying any fashion, period. I don't need anything more. But I'm still looking and searching and shopping.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yeah, like sport.

[Soochin Park]

Yeah. Like I've done a no buy where I'm like, I need my time back. I'm consuming way too much. I'm way too much time looking, searching, linking, saving. You know, I'm not there yet. I'm still looking. I'm spending a lot of time. So things. The guardrails I have are. It has to be on a list. Right. Right now on my list. I know this is going to sound ridiculous. I need like another pair of very simple. I can wear every day. I can get dirty cotton black pants. I have a lot of cotton black pants, but they all.

[Coolop V Lysack]

I would think you have so many of those.

[Soochin Park]

So many of those. But they all fit different things. I have cotton black pants that are a pain to wash and so I have to get dry cleaned. And so then I don't wear them very much. I'm talking about just like a simple black pant cotton that I can get dirty. What other. Oh, yeah, oversized. I'm looking for a really oversized dark denim jacket.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Okay.

[Soochin Park]

Okay. So like, these are specific things. I'm not gonna go through my list.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Like. Are you talking about like a chore jacket? Are you talking more of like when you say blazer? Yeah, it's more.

[Soochin Park]

It could be chore. It's more of if I could get a thick denim jacket, like thickness, but in the shape of a very large oversized shirt.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Okay. Yeah. A shacket.

[Soochin Park]

Yes, a shacket.

[Coolop V Lysack]

You need a denim shacket.

[Soochin Park]

Like a thick. And it's really hard to find the weight that I want.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Right. Wait, Alex Mill doesn't have that for you.

[Soochin Park]

I haven't seen it. I've seen the chore jacket version, but I haven't seen the.

[Coolop V Lysack]

You need a denim shacket.

[Soochin Park]

I need a denim shacket.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Denim shacket. Okay. And you need.

[Soochin Park]

And the thing is, is I have one of those and it is black. Oh, but.

[Coolop V Lysack]

But you want it blue denim.

[Soochin Park]

I want it a blue denim. And I also want another black one.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Okay.

[Soochin Park]

And I have my own reasons for why.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yeah, that's fine.

[Soochin Park]

Yeah. This isn't. We're not doing an eight hour deep dive into my mental illness. So anyway, I have a list then.

[Coolop V Lysack]

What is this podcast teaching if we're not doing that in this tighter era? Is that. You didn't tell me that that was also on the list, that we're not doing that.

[Soochin Park]

All right, fine. Another one on the list, which I already have. I have all of these things. We already talked about it. She covered it. Okay, rewind the tape. She covered it. But for various reasons, in my mind, I need another. They work really well in my wardrobe. These are things I go to again and again and again. And I need one more of. Okay, Okay. I need the perfect red Mary Jane. I have the perfect red Mary Jane. I could just rebuy that one, which I may.

[Coolop V Lysack]

This is my follow up. Yes, yes. So what Jason would do was simply buy the same thing again, like the white shirt. He has done. That's what I'm laughing. He's like our third co host. Even when he's not. Not here, he's always fucking in our minds and in our hearts and we speak of him so much, it's crazy. Sorry, I just caught myself. But okay, sorry. In the example of Jason Mantzoukas, who is on Broadway. He just was on Broadway.

[Soochin Park]

When I see Jason Mantzoukas just on Broadway, I. It's like looking in the mirror. Well. And I hate him and I love him. Just like when I look in the mirror and I see my own reflection, he, like, annoys me. I want him to shut up. And I just want to keep wanting to dig deeper and deeper into the stink, just like when I look at my face in the mirror.

[Coolop V Lysack]

So why don't you just buy the same jean?

[Soochin Park]

I may, I may. But part of the hunt is can I find a variation of it that I love equally? I. I have yet to do that. And I went all the way to Italy, the place where one gets leather goods. Leather goods and velvet Mary Janes. And I didn't find the one that I was looking for. And then the other thing is, is that. Okay, so if I have the list. I'm going to first always look for it used.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yeah.

[Soochin Park]

And then the other thing, which is why I haven't been shopping, is I think it has to be in person. I think my era of online shopping is, like. Is pretty much.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. I'm quaking.

[Soochin Park]

I know. Which is why I'm like, is this our last episode? You know, like, will I have. Will I ever buy anything ever again? I'm not. It's not a strict rule.

[Coolop V Lysack]

No. But you want. You want that tactile.

[Soochin Park]

But the thing is, is that, like, I have been on the hunt for this particular, let's say, denim jacket. I've ordered a few, and I'm like, no, this isn't the weight. This isn't the thickness. This has a weird wash on it. And I realized, like, if I want to get very specific about the thing I want, then it kind of has to be in person. I have to, like, touch it and feel it. Now, I can do the online and the return thing, but I haven't had the shoppies to the point where I, like, need to do that. Do you know what I'm saying?

[Coolop V Lysack]

I feel like Italy was some sort of turning point for you.

[Soochin Park]

Could be.

[Coolop V Lysack]

You know, something about being.

[Soochin Park]

It was a turning point for my credit card.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Okay.

[Soochin Park]

Cause I'm still. To my shock, I was like, huh, still paying for it.

[Coolop V Lysack]

It's Feb. Well, that could be one of the reasons why you've not had the shoppies, to be honest.

[Soochin Park]

That actually is the number one reason. Sure.

[Coolop V Lysack]

And that's fair.

[Soochin Park]

No, because I don't. I'm not. Let's live in the three images. Yeah. When I tell you that immigrant grip is so strong on my core. I will never shop out of my financial. You know what I mean? Means.

[Coolop V Lysack]

But nothing. Nothing is ever gonna compare to you being in a mountain town, happening upon a rich lady, closing her shop and selling things for, like, you know, €10. Yeah. Nothing is ever gonna compare. Like, just for me.

[Soochin Park]

You're right.

[Coolop V Lysack]

My early years working in the fashion district, going to fidm, the Fashion Institute of Design, merchandising, and hitting a sample sale. Nothing will ever compare.

[Soochin Park]

Mm. Mm. Getting naked in front of a bunch of strangers fighting over a stiletto heel that you'll never wear again.

[Coolop V Lysack]

But that's. That's me and Kevin. And a Monique Lulay bridal sample sale. That was a story that I retold in my best man speech.

[Soochin Park]

What happened? Wait, please tell me someone was engaged.

[Coolop V Lysack]

It was for me. He was my man of honor. Yeah, we went to Monique Lulet. This was like. So I got married in. When? When did I get married? 2008. So this is, like, probably 2007. So picture that time, guys. 2007. Monique Lulay with her, like, cupcake dresses. Huge, right? So I go in and have a normal dress fitting at the store on Melrose. Kevin's with me. We're trying all these gorgeous dresses. The shop girl after Kevin was like, cool, I'll tell her I'm not gay. After I said, hey, he wants you to know he's not gay. And he's like, pull up. Not like that. The shop girl says, hey, we're having a sample sale tomorrow. You guys should come back. And I said, what? What? What time? And when we get there the next day, it is as if it is a Russian breadline the way these starving brides are, like, just waiting, just foaming in the mouth as, like, triumphant brides come out with 1, 2, 3 dresses, just screaming. And I'm just like, will there be some for me? Will there be any left for me? And then we finally get inside, and it is just like a haze of smoke, of limbs and body parts, people grabbing.

[Soochin Park]

I'm sorry, I'm drooling. Let me wipe the drool off my chin.

[Coolop V Lysack]

So many rolling racks. Women trying dresses anywhere possible. Like, Kevin and I looked at each other and, like, the only way we could do it is we split up. He went and just started grabbing dresses and throwing at me in the corner.

[Soochin Park]

That's all you can do.

[Coolop V Lysack]

And, like, just grabbing.

[Soochin Park]

Oh, my God, the thought of a straight man at a wedding sample sale. Boy, that's a movie in the making.

[Coolop V Lysack]

He is one of the horniest. And until he got married, like, what? A ladies man. But he knew what he needed to do, which he had to be.

[Soochin Park]

What?

[Coolop V Lysack]

He had to be my quarterback. And, like, we had to. We had a mission that day. And that day, we did get the dress.

[Soochin Park]

Did you get the dress that you wore on your wedding day?

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yeah, yeah. Now, did I have to, like, buy, you know, a roll of duchess satin and, like, you know, make my dress larger in the back?

[Soochin Park]

Sure.

[Coolop V Lysack]

But, hey, that dress was a thousand bucks.

[Soochin Park]

You know, I'll put my wedding photos

[Coolop V Lysack]

for this picture, please. I mean, Kevin. But yeah, yeah. So, yeah, nothing will be like that.

[Soochin Park]

No, I didn't think about it in a larger context, but you're 100% right in that. Like, the dopamine fix that I get from buying something really cool like that, it just isn't getting a box in the mail.

[Coolop V Lysack]

No, it's not the same. Yeah.

[Soochin Park]

It just doesn't excite me.

[Coolop V Lysack]

No, I know what you mean. I am. I'm more into. I'm more interested in used. And after this, we'll jump into our add cards, remove carts. But I finally used my, like, my first. Got on Vestaire for the first time and got my little discount. Yeah. Getting. Getting what I got you one year for Christmas, which is the Hermes scarf ring.

[Soochin Park]

Yes.

[Coolop V Lysack]

And I tried to go back to, like, where I got yours, which was a. A Japanese ebay secondhand place, and they didn't have any. So then I just sort of, like, went on Vestaire and, like, was just monitoring. And when it dropped, I got noticed. It dropped price incrementally, by the way, like, three times. I was like, okay, I'll get it, like, and that. That's great, because I knew that's what I wanted.

[Soochin Park]

Exactly.

[Coolop V Lysack]

I knew that it was legit, you know, I mean, that's a legit place, but I'd rather do that. Like, I just have no interest.

[Soochin Park]

I have no interest. And we've talked about this show before. Is that, like, I also am one of those people that almost always has buyer's remorse.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Well.

[Soochin Park]

And I think part of it is obviously because the buying of it and the finding it is so much more interesting to me than the getting it. Yeah. And so when I'm in person in Italy, in a rich person's retirement town.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yeah.

[Soochin Park]

Like.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yeah.

[Soochin Park]

It's like I look at that wool sweater, which looks like every other wool sweater, and it still sparks joy.

[Coolop V Lysack]

It. Sense memory. It's, you know. Yeah. It's a moment. It's a memento.

[Soochin Park]

It's like, so my shopping habit just. Just gets more expensive. And that's the irony of it all.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Well, I don't know, sue, because it's like, you like a bargain and you like a bulk, but maybe it's like you're just doing. Well, I don't know if you're doing less of it. I mean, we'll see.

[Soochin Park]

I am doing less of it because I physically can't touch everything. Yeah.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Okay. So.

[Soochin Park]

But, yeah, we'll see. I'd be curious at the. I mean, I won't do it, but, like, taking an inventory at the end of a year of doing this, if, like, it is significantly less, more, or the same as what I was doing before, which was shopping all the time.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Okay, let's take a quick break, and then I want to start with some of my add to carts because I think it's very much related to this.

[Soochin Park]

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[Coolop V Lysack]

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[Soochin Park]

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[Coolop V Lysack]

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[Soochin Park]

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[Coolop V Lysack]

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[Soochin Park]

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[Coolop V Lysack]

It's so upsetting, Sue.

[Soochin Park]

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[Coolop V Lysack]

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[Soochin Park]

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[Coolop V Lysack]

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[Soochin Park]

Oh, love it. I wanted to focus this year on actually using my brain less. Okay, so meaning worry less, keep lists less, ruminate less. So ironically, I've been deep in a mindfulness course with Jon Kabat Zinn, which is all about getting out of your head to do more with your life. Like, how is that for a wonderful plot twist?

[Coolop V Lysack]

I mean, I love that for you, especially since the way that you write lists is like a beautiful mind. Oh, thanks. Scraps and pieces of garbage.

[Soochin Park]

That's right.

[Coolop V Lysack]

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[Soochin Park]

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[Coolop V Lysack]

15% [e-mail] add to cart masterclass.com addtocart. We are back on add to cart. Sue, if I may, I. I also have been pulling back, as you know, and I finally got some hemming done. You probably, I'm going to guess with you that you probably don't have to have hem pants that often because you are tall. You're a tall lady. You know, I bet, I bet a 32 inseam really probably works like bullseye for you. Is that fair to say?

[Soochin Park]

Yeah, I don't know what my inseam is, but 32 sounds about right. And yeah, rarely. Can't remember the last time I had to hem in pants.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yeah. And often I, I don't have to, but. And here's the weird thing, my body dysmorphia is that I believe that I'm much taller than I actually am.

[Soochin Park]

And I believe I'm shorter than I am.

[Coolop V Lysack]

I believe in my head that I'm taller than Kevin. And it comes up a lot like I fully believe that I'M taller than Kevin. That is just not.

[Soochin Park]

How tall is Kevin?

[Coolop V Lysack]

I mean, shorter than me.

[Soochin Park]

How tall are you?

[Coolop V Lysack]

I'm five. The other piece of it is I believe that I'm taller than you. And there is photographic evidence that that is not the case.

[Soochin Park]

By the way, it's also shocking to me. I have the same thing. Annie has the same thing. I think she's 5 5, maybe even shorter. She may be even 5 2. And like, we'll go on like a shopping thing. At the end of the day, we try everything on and she wants me to try on her stuff because she likes to see it have always just the most hysterical laughter. When I put on, you know, her pants and they come up to my knees or her blazer, it's a three quarter and we're dying. We're laughing, laughing like it couldn't be uglier. Like, we just say, like, it's so weird. It's like a magic spell. And it's now our thing. It's like, if it fits me, it won't fit her. Vice versa. But, man, it is so strange.

[Coolop V Lysack]

June and Casey are tall Amazons, gorgeous Amazons. And they're like five, eight. Now, I acknowledge that I'm not five eight, but I cannot believe that I am five five. Like, I truly am. Like.

[Soochin Park]

And again, that's shocking to me. That's shocking to me. I would have said. I would have said five, seven.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Evidence. Thank you. And I, I carry myself like a 5, 7, 100%. I, you know, it's so. It's just.

[Soochin Park]

So maybe that's what it is. Because I look at you and Annie and I'm like, five, seven, five, nine. I don't know, somewhere around there I'm seeing that.

[Coolop V Lysack]

But so nothing will humble me and bring me back to reality than tripping over, you know, pairs of wide leg pants that you can't fold over. If you fold over it just as like. Well, this isn't a look, you know, a wide leg pant. You can't do that.

[Soochin Park]

No, please.

[Coolop V Lysack]

I finally, in this era of preparing for Free Fire Horse. And now we are, you know, at the time of the recording, we're not there yet. But at the time of you listening to you, we are in the year Fire Horse.

[Soochin Park]

We're feeling the heat, though. We.

[Coolop V Lysack]

We are hot. We are hot. I'm not. I don't want to buy stuff. I want to mend or hem things that I haven't worn. Scott got me these green Adidas satin wide leg track pants this Christmas. And June I, I got them because I saw them on June and again she no way that she needed to hem them. I loved how they fit on her mine. I loved how they look on me. But you know, a few times almost tripping down the stairs or like you know where you, you pull the pants down and, and you, you expose your ass because the pants are simply too long. I was like, okay, let me hem these. Do you know these pants? Have you seen these pants?

[Soochin Park]

No. I'm now looking at it and seeing the green is sold out.

[Coolop V Lysack]

The green is sold out. But you could probably get them at like other places. I have a link to Adidas, but they're nice. They're nice. I, since I was a young, a young lad, I've love an Adidas anything. And then I also had. You got me into off market. I think you possibly and young maiden Tiffany got me into off market back in the day and I got two pairs. So I got these Wrangler Worldwide jeans and a pair of bib overalls still had its tag and I purchased in 2024 because they were just simply too long. And now I've gotten hemmed. They look so good and I'm. They're not. I think maybe I've made the mistake. I don't look best in high waisted jeans. I think I look better in this sort of like mid because I'm like, I look like I've lost weight when I wear these jeans. So it's like kind of making me shift things a little bit. But these jeans look so good on me. Well, there's that piece. There's that piece. Yeah. I love these jeans on me. And the link I have is to the Wrangler site and they're on sale right now. But these Worldwide jeans, the lower waist is better for me and the wide leg is good for me because I'm so straight in a way that giving this gives me shape. Since I'm so, so top heavy. Having a wide leg pant gives me some more weight on the bottom so they look great. And I finally got these bib overalls also and again purchased them 2024, still had their tags on, finally got them hemmed.

[Soochin Park]

I feel like you went shopping.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yes.

[Soochin Park]

When you're wearing things that are already in your closet, you just went shopping, you can get that double fixed. That's what I feel.

[Coolop V Lysack]

I feel like, yes, it feels great. And then so my, our friend and listener Lynn Chen got me these awesome like high waisted champion sweats years ago. You can't even get them Anywhere. They're so good. They were. There was a show on, on I think Netflix that was like a fashion show. And this was like basically a collab that came out of that show. And she sent them to me. She's like, cool up. I. We were talking about sweatpants and like, she's like, these are fashionable sweatpants. They're so cool. But they were so long. And the few times that I tried to wear them, I had to like roll them up. They didn't look good. Finally got them hemmed, wore them yesterday. I'm like, I am like, I look like a teen. Like, these are high waisted, but it's a look. And then I wore with like a crop shirt, like, look at me like I'm Kai's age fountain of youth, you know, and it's like, I mean, it doesn't.

[Soochin Park]

It also scratch that itch of like that problem I have where I can't change a light bulb, you know, and you're looking at a dead light bulb on your vanity for years, years rolling into a new decade and you're like, I still haven't changed that light bulb. That's what it feels like when you actually wear the clothes you have in your closet. Because after you made the tweak that should have been done five years ago, like, you're talking about years of experience sitting in your closet.

[Coolop V Lysack]

I feel Lynn gave this to me. I mean, we were in the pandemic. Like we were not seeing people.

[Soochin Park]

Yes, five years.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Easily, easily.

[Soochin Park]

Hy Lynn.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Oh, gosh, thank you so much.

[Soochin Park]

She's finally wearing them and she'll understand.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Lynn's already given hers away. You know me.

[Soochin Park]

She was like, oh, I kind of remember these.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yes, exactly. Okay. The last thing before we get into your add to carts. I didn't even discuss this. I did a dry January. Oh, but much like you're no buy, I'm saying drier February, but I kind of just want to see.

[Soochin Park]

Okay, so give me an idea of how much just on average you were drinking a week.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Not that much.

[Soochin Park]

So then why so but tell me, like, what was the impetus and what has been the benefit?

[Coolop V Lysack]

Well, the benefit is to be determined, I think. I don't quite know all the medications I take, the Metformin especially, but like Ozempic, none of these things are great on alcohol, period. But I would still drink on occasion. Like I would drink, you know, maybe a glass of wine after the baby goes down or, you know, socially. But then I kind of just been like, you know, jlo, don't Drink. She don't been drinking for years. Look at that skin. Skin. And I also wanted to get my sleep schedule back. The other piece of this is that I'm really trying to go to sleep earlier and be really serious about my sleep and try to get seven to eight. That's part of it. And I know that any amount of alcohol will affect that. And then, I mean, there's vain reasons, but that hasn't met it out yet where I feel like. I feel a difference.

[Soochin Park]

Yeah, because you weren't drinking that much to begin with.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yes.

[Soochin Park]

But whatever you were drinking, you. You were like, okay, this is actually having an effect.

[Coolop V Lysack]

It's like a duh. Like, alcohol is bad and it hasn't been. I don't know, like, the positive of it isn't really. Like, I don't know. I'm 45. Like, I don't need to stay up. Like, I need to drink more water. Like, that's what I need to do. I have to drink way more water than I am. So I'm staying Dry February, but only because, like, maybe I drink a Super bowl and then we have our 50th birthday for a friend. Maybe I drink. But the other thing is, like, I personally don't need social lubrication either. So then I'm just like, I don't know. Maybe I don't need it. I want to see. I want to see how far I go. Yeah. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. Also, Ozempic in these types of glp, my understanding is that it makes you just like, not want to have alcohol either. It just isn't. Yeah, but you're not getting.

[Soochin Park]

It doesn't sound like you're getting that much benefit from it. I mean, a lot of people have. You know, when they talk about dry January, it's like, transformative. And then they go into drier fabric because they're like, holy shit.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yeah.

[Soochin Park]

You're telling me it was the drink the whole time.

[Coolop V Lysack]

I know.

[Soochin Park]

You know?

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yeah. Like, just so you guys know, didn't lose a pound. In fact, gained weight. My problem really is I need to stop snacking after 7pm yeah. And no, like, desserts or something like that.

[Soochin Park]

Yeah, yeah, let's just stick to dry January. That seems easier.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yeah, let's just, like, we gotta do things in steps. You know what I mean?

[Soochin Park]

That's right.

[Coolop V Lysack]

I can do.

[Soochin Park]

That's right. I can shop in person, not online. I can shop for things I have on lisp, but not off the list. See, we know What? I mean, like, let's not.

[Coolop V Lysack]

I'm managing myself crazy, you know? Like, I'm doing strategies because I know how difficult I am. So I'm a difficult program, so I'm doing my best.

[Soochin Park]

Oh, nobody is attempting that code. I hope nobody is attempting that code. And I feel the same way about me.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yeah. Yes.

[Soochin Park]

Yeah. That math, it's above your pay grade, whoever you are.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yeah. Okay, sue, please, please tell me about. Well, about that ass, I guess. So if I'm looking ahead.

[Soochin Park]

I just added this as we were talking because I forgot to talk about it, and it was on my mind and it was so funny, and I cannot believe. Did I send you? Mike wrote an article for Men's Health about his flat butt.

[Coolop V Lysack]

You did, And I forgot to read it. And I'm so glad that you. You brought it up.

[Soochin Park]

I forgot about this until we were joking about earlier when we were saying, the couch fits my flat butt perfectly. So let me just back up Mike, lest you think someone assigned this to him, which would also be funny.

[Coolop V Lysack]

No, he pitched this, didn't he?

[Soochin Park]

Not only did he pitch it, he was on the search for how what do I do about my flat ass? And then was like, oh, this is funny. Years later, and pitched it. Meaning, like, one of the stories he has or one of the people he quote, unquote, interviews is. I guess he was on a Reddit thread about his butt and came across someone who posted, hey, I have no butt. Does anybody have, like, legit advice? Like, this wasn't in jest, okay? And he must have filed that away in his brain. I don't even know how long ago this was. I think it was years ago. And then for whatever reason, he. This kind of tickled his fancy and was like, oh, I'm gonna write. I wanna pitch an article about a man not having a butt and what that does to his life. And then he went back to the. That Reddit post and contacted that guy who was like, no, I don't wanna get on the phone with you, you weirdo, but I will answer some questions. But, yeah, but I will. I think his. It's in the article. Like, he does, like, cut and paste the exact response. I think the guy was like, you seem legit. Okay, I'll answer some questions.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Like, he just didn't want to make sure it was, like, not Mike's kink.

[Soochin Park]

And it is not Mike's kink, but the title is the man with no Butt in Men's Health, and it says, my flat ass has haunted me since high School. So I did what anybody man would do and sought out some wisdom from the Internet. This is a story of my midlife butt crisis.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Look, I feel like men's asses have really come into the spotlight this year. Stage, I mean, heated rivalry. Connie Huddy. I have seen, of course, I've seen the first tranche of the recent Bridgerton. And that is very focus on men's butts. Those butts be on the foreground. Okay. They're not in the background.

[Soochin Park]

Finally, finally, boobies have been objectified and exalted and shit on for so many decades. I would say since the beginning of civilization. Yes, let's do it for men's butts.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Let's focus on the shit.

[Soochin Park]

Men's butts. I want to objectify, demoralize. I want to do everything to the man's butt has been done to the woman's boobies. Because you're right. Like, I almost feel like in this day and age in Hollywood, if you're a young actor wanting to come up, you better have an ass.

[Coolop V Lysack]

You better squat, baby. You better squat.

[Soochin Park]

And if you don't, then you gotta talk to all the women who have subjected themselves to the squats, the bbls, the injections. Well, that's the thing.

[Coolop V Lysack]

It was like Kim Kardashian, you know, there's. You brought up the bbls. Like that was, that was moment of time.

[Soochin Park]

I'm not encouraging that, but I'm saying

[Coolop V Lysack]

now it's about men's boobs.

[Soochin Park]

It's your time. Yeah, it's your time to be subjected to this. But you're absolutely right. I wonder if that was kind of on his brain. This article came out in December, so I don't remember exactly what was the impetus for it, but it was a

[Coolop V Lysack]

lifetime of not having a butt.

[Soochin Park]

But that has always been like, we joke, you know, I've said this all the time. I'm like, well, your legs go into your back. Yeah, I've never seen, I mean like it really is like your legs go into your back. It's interesting, like how I don't have that much of a butt. But I, my legs don't go into my back. They just go into like a flat ass. Like his is not flat. Like it's just non existent.

[Coolop V Lysack]

The thing that I harass Scott the most, like basically from the time that I wake up and he's not even like, he'll hear me speak of his butt and he's not even in the room. I'm just chattering and chittering, clucking. And clacking about his butt. And that is the thing. It comes up almost as if I have sort of a Tourette's about his butt. It comes up. I bring it up when I say it comes up. I'm just constantly saying something about it.

[Soochin Park]

Are you constantly grabbing it?

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yes. And to the point of like, I go, oh, he's harassed. I'm. No, I'm like, literally with my daughter. I can hear him come on the stage. I'm like, oh, here comes Danny's big butt. It's probably not good. And it's something I should probably curb. I haven't done that yet.

[Soochin Park]

I mean, that's better than. Look at your dad. His leg goes into his back. And I'll be like, oh, look at, he's got back crack. Like when his sweats come down a little bit and he's like bending over, I'm like, look at that back crack. So what, you know, tis our right as wives and tis our right as women to harass these men into some sort of submission. But I mean, we've all known this. But I, you know, it's just like any part of him, like, it, it's not a big deal. And then like this one time, he had discovered these pants. I guess it's a company called Perc.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Have you heard this? I know. Yeah, you brought it. It was an add to cart. And then I like, I bought it for Scott and I was like, Cause I like, to me, let's get more. It's not enough, but I want more. You know what I mean?

[Soochin Park]

You know what I'm trying to think in the past, like, butts aren't my thing. And so I dated no butts. I've dated butts. And I have to say, the biggest butt I ever dated kind of freaked me out.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Really.

[Soochin Park]

So maybe I'm more. No, but yeah, yeah, it did kind of freak me out.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, that's why, like, that's the main reason why I watch baseball.

[Soochin Park]

Well, it's certainly the reason why I started watching hockey warmups. I don't want to watch the game. I just want to watch the warmups. So, yeah, so he got a bunch of those perks and it didn't work anyway, so he goes, the article is so funny. I'll link it. One of the funniest parts of this article. So he wanted to reach out, so he reached out to the Reddit guy. He reached out to his old trainer. He has this trainer who is so funny and so fantastic and very, very, like, successful. Like, he's like a trainer to the stars. He's got a huge following. His name is Derek. And they talk about it and I don't know if he puts it in the article, but I was like, oh, my God. What did Derek say when you reached out to him? That you were writing this and he needed. You needed to interview him because he's got, like, his career depends on his ass. You know what I mean? Like, he's a physical trainer. That his butt walks in before anything else. You know, he's got a very, very nice butt. And he wrote back. He was like, I've been waiting for this call my entire life. You know? Anyway, it's such a funny, heartfelt, really, you know, serious but not serious conversation about what it is to be a man in 2026 with no butt.

[Coolop V Lysack]

I mean, I'm gonna read it.

[Soochin Park]

That's a cart.

[Coolop V Lysack]

I will read it after we get off. But I mean, so what I'm hearing.

[Soochin Park]

Go ahead.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Is that Pac and Bender need to be lifting weights. Her face, you guys. God damn it. Her face. Tuned out her fucking shoulders. The way that they. Oh, her eyes are rolled to the back of her head, tongue out. She has deceased before me.

[Soochin Park]

I'm gonna do it.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Listen, it's coming. Okay. It's coming. Okay, okay. It's coming. All right. Okay. I promise the timeline.

[Soochin Park]

I promise you. Before the fire horse exits. No, this orbit.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Does that mean that you'll start?

[Soochin Park]

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[Coolop V Lysack]

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[Soochin Park]

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[Coolop V Lysack]

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[Soochin Park]

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[Coolop V Lysack]

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[Soochin Park]

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[Emmy (child)]

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[Soochin Park]

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[Coolop V Lysack]

Wow, your search can really get that specific.

[Soochin Park]

Really?

[Coolop V Lysack]

And you just put in your info and boom, car's in your budget.

[Soochin Park]

Mom needs a second. Honey, you can really have it delivered. Really? Or I can pick it up at the dealership.

[Coolop V Lysack]

One sec, sweetie.

[Soochin Park]

Mommy's buying a car. Mommy, look.

[Coolop V Lysack]

I think your kid is walking up the slide.

[Soochin Park]

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[Emmy (child)]

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[Coolop V Lysack]

Sue, I mentioned earlier that I have been adding to cart for Emmy. So it. It was a little wild because I have not purchased things in a while. And then last night it was just like, add to cart. Add to cart.

[Soochin Park]

I love that.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Which was for Emmy and getting her a big girl bed and everything that would go with that big girl bed. Okay, so she's out of the crib. She's in her transitional crib right now.

[Soochin Park]

And is she staying in it in the middle of the night?

[Coolop V Lysack]

No.

[Soochin Park]

She's not coming to you?

[Coolop V Lysack]

No, no, no, she can't. Because we have those knobs where she can't turn.

[Soochin Park]

I was about to say, I was like, wow, that's pretty good. Cause as soon as my kids got out of that crib, they were like, knock, knock.

[Coolop V Lysack]

We were strategic and had the just the wherewithal. Thanks, Instagram. Parenting tips is when we Took that one side of her crib down for that transitional time. We also got her a clock, an alarm clock. And so she can't get out of bed until it turns green. And so she likes to hit the button so it's not green. Turn off her sound machine, turn on her lights, and play a little bit. So she's pretty good.

[Soochin Park]

We lucked out with this one. Perfect child. Yeah, Mine threw that clock against the wall day one.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Wow.

[Soochin Park]

This is what I think about your stupid idea.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yep, yep, yep. That. Luckily, that did not happen.

[Soochin Park]

Perfect child. Okay.

[Coolop V Lysack]

She is. Yeah, I'm pretty lucky. So. Okay. So I was hemming and hawing, and quite frankly, I was hoping Cece could get me a freebie or a discount, but I pulled the trigger because her best friend moved into her, like, real big girl bed last night. And we did a FaceTime, and Emmy was like, oh, I want it, I want it. So I had. This was an open cart now for at least, you know, three months. And I finally was like, okay, it's time. Like, let's do it. So I got this Nestig Wave kids bed. Please check it out, Sue. It's a convertible. Beautiful Montessori floor bed. But I think we may start her straight into the twin bed with a rail, because she. She did that. We stayed at a friend's house for a couple nights in December, and she really liked it. But we'll see. We'll play. That's my plan.

[Soochin Park]

So you're saying you're putting her in a bed with legs? Yes, because this one I'm looking is

[Coolop V Lysack]

on the floor, but it can be converted. Right. Maybe it's a game time decision because it's not coming until March. But I love the idea. I like how it looks.

[Soochin Park]

It's beautiful.

[Coolop V Lysack]

And that it can potentially be with her through teenage years because it's a classic looking. It doesn't look babyish in any way. So I was, like, debating, and I've been looking at different beds, and I showed it to her. She says she likes it. So I was like, okay, it's well reviewed. And then of course, is like the fun stuff, which was the bedding. I got her an avocado mattress. You know, I got that all that too. But I got her the Pottery Barn Kids Storybook Friends duvet cover and sham. And look at that. I mean, is this not.

[Soochin Park]

I'm looking at the computer and Emmy, I mean, come on. Woodland.

[Coolop V Lysack]

She loves flowers. Chic. It's. She's very.

[Soochin Park]

With the little bows as the closures.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Her thing is like, yeah, she's very girly. I kind of try to pull her back from that, but that is who she is. And so I got that. I got some pink sheets, because pink is your favorite color. And then I thought you would really enjoy the strawberry pillow that I got from Pottery Barn as well. That was on sale just to give, you know, a little zhuzh on the. On the bed. I mean, is it not darling?

[Soochin Park]

Suchin Pak, we love a. What would we call this type of. Because we obviously, the John Darien pillows come straight to mind. The mushroom pillows. I love a pillow in the shape of an. Of a cute object, a fruit, a vegetable, something that belongs in a woodland fairy tale.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Bet your bottom dollar that John Darrien, like, mushroom, is going on that bed. It's perfect.

[Soochin Park]

It's perfect.

[Coolop V Lysack]

It's perfect.

[Soochin Park]

And to say that that was a frivolous buy. Ha ha. Straight to your face.

[Coolop V Lysack]

I have not regretted any John Darien buy. And part of not regretting is, like, when we were in that crazy stupor with Lauren, like, that was so fun. That's part of it.

[Soochin Park]

I mean, it's part of. Now add to Cart lore. She's the fifth host.

[Coolop V Lysack]

She is the fifth host.

[Soochin Park]

Laura Latkis. Yeah. It's this Jon Darrien hole that the three of us are locked into.

[Coolop V Lysack]

It is. We were so insane.

[Soochin Park]

I know, but it was fun.

[Coolop V Lysack]

It was fun. Okay, sue, what do you want to talk about? I know we could talk about so many things.

[Soochin Park]

So part of this, like, no, by January, you know, dry January thing also is I think that, like, for me, around this time, after being so overstimulated at the end of the year, which I plan on every year, I don't plan on pulling back on that at all, is that I need time, and it seems now even more time to sort of get that back, you know, all that I've spent. And so there was a post that I had saved. I think this was years ago, about different types of rest, which I thought was really interesting to me on two different. For many reasons. One of the reasons is that with my sleep struggles, one of the shifts for me was when I heard someone say, okay, so if you're up late at night and you're not asleep, but the lights are out and your body is resting, you know, maybe you're doing a meditation. Maybe you're just really trying to relax your body. Cause of course you're anxious about not sleeping. And that whole thing is that she was like, that's still rest. You're still resting. Like, you Know, really kind of understand that, okay, you may not be sleeping, but you're resting. Like, take that pressure off. But I think that this mentality of there's only one type of rest and if you're not getting it, I. E. 10 hours of sleep, I. E. A retreat in the mountains at the Amman Resort, you know what I mean? There are so many other different types of rest that we ignore.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Oh, also those types of rest, it's really based. It's like almost like based on capitalism.

[Soochin Park]

Because

[Coolop V Lysack]

that type of rest is not necessarily best for our bodies. It's best for a worker. Yeah. You know.

[Soochin Park]

Correct. Yes, it's best for a worker and it's best for spending money.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yes.

[Soochin Park]

So like, unless you're, you know, getting diamond facials.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Right.

[Soochin Park]

Like there are other types of rest, like sleep training.

[Coolop V Lysack]

The reason why sleep training is the best is for a parent. That must work, but not necessarily that. Sleep training is what is most natural for a child. Right. Is that. I mean, is that controversial what I'm saying?

[Soochin Park]

I don't think it is.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Thankfully, my child took to sleep training

[Soochin Park]

and I had one that did and one that didn't. And I wish for the one that didn't. It really held him back on sleeping. And he's had a whole bunch of problems with sleeping in general that probably plagued him until he was, you know, 10 years old. So for the first 10 years of his life, this was the number one stress in my life and in his life. And I wish had I looked back on that, I wish that I never would have put the sleep training regimen on him. My daughter took to it. He never did from day one. And so, yeah, that's a really interesting point. I mean, that's sort of another topic. But it is related to this, like, thinking about all the ways that we are prescribed, what is rest and what is not, and then all the ways in our unconsciousness. I think I talked about in the last show, I've been like, thank you, masterclass. Taking this masterclass from Jon Kabat Zinn about mindfulness in our sort of like non awakeness in our life, there are so many pockets of rest that we ignore. And so I just was like, oh, this is a really good reminder. Okay. So this person wrote like, let's say you're getting enough sleep, but you don't feel rested. I would also add, let's say you're not getting enough sleep and you never feel rested. Are there other places where, quote unquote, rest exists? So this person talked about physical rest. Right. Which Is the sleep, the meditation, the breathing, the stillness. You know, I would also add on there, taking walks, exercising, whatever your physic, the way that your body physically rests and rest doesn't mean still necessarily, but it also means just being aware of our physical, like, oh, my shoulders are tight. Okay, let me just get up from this chair, do five minutes of stretches or. God, you know, I haven't really taken it right now, like, because we're recording and my adrenals are pumping, you know, like, I stop breathing. I can feel that right now. Like, there's a tightness in my chest, there's a tightness in my stomach. So after I record, I. I don't do anything. I like unplug everything and I just have to breathe and get back into my body. So that's a physical rest, there's mental rest, whatever that may be, taking breaks throughout the day, journaling, listening to music, whatever that mental rest is. So that's another type of rest that we can engage in. A third type of rest, which I take in all the time to some would say, to my detriment, but I would say, I know that I need. This is social rest. So yes, that means alone time. Yes, that means saying no to social things that you know are gonna drain your battery. But I would also. And person brought up a really good point of nurturing authentic relationships. Like, that's social rest. Like when I hang out one on one with someone that I truly care about and we're just like catching up, like, that fills my battery. That's rest. Anything that charges your battery is rest. So all those frivolous relationships, things that you feel obligated to say yes to, people you feel obligated to have to engage with with, I don't know, Year of the Horse, maybe you're barebacking it out of there.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yeah, I know what you mean. If you're an animal person, you know, cuddling with your pet, tossing the ball like that, that's that that also fills your battery and their moment of like, connection.

[Soochin Park]

Yeah, a hundred percent. Yeah. So like you get it that they have a list. And this was years ago on this person's account. I couldn't find this, so I'll put it up on our show notes. But you know, they have sensory rest that makes a lot of sense, obviously, the devices just kind of powering down. Like, I think that nature is the guru. And so she is on a schedule and she gets up at the same time and goes to bed at the same time. You know, the light comes on and off at the same time. As much as we can mimic that, that's organically how we're wired. Spiritual rest. I think ku, you're really good about this, about gratitude, about having some sort of place where you're really taking care of that part of you that doesn't make that money isn't about feeding, you know, the machine. And then emotional rest, which I think is. Can also be connected to a lot of this, especially the social rest part is about figuring out how to sit in emotions and then how to process emotions. And that's like obviously with or without help, however way you want to do that. But anyway, I just thought that that was such a really beautiful way of looking at rest rather than look. It's not binary, it's not prescriptive and it certainly, like you said, doesn't benefit the bottom dollar in the way that society would like for it to be. But the irony is, is that you do all these types of rest or you pay attention to these you' during the day and you'll feel more.

[Coolop V Lysack]

It's a better life. It's a more, you know, and it's about endurance and it's about enjoyment.

[Soochin Park]

And I think too like with us with the kids.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yeah.

[Soochin Park]

You know, like hanging out with kids and taking care of kids. Yes, at times, of course it does fill you up, but a lot of times, you know, you're sort of draining a battery slowly in a way that's very unconscious and you have to get that back. Yeah, it's kind of interesting.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Like I have so much fun with her, but sometimes like I'll hit the TV just so I can sit by her and I will like take a cat nap, like. And it's weird because I have, I am a high energy person. Well, I have two modes which is off and on, as you guys know. But it like the way that sometimes when I'll put on like a Gabby's Dollhouse just so that I can like her one short episode go down a little bit midday. It's wild. Yeah, it's wild.

[Soochin Park]

Yeah.

[Coolop V Lysack]

In ways that I didn't have to do when I was in my 20s. Going to last man standing after hours dance parties at Circus Circus on Santa Monica Boulevard, you know. But of course then I had a lot of vodka Red Bulls fueling me, which as you know, I'm in a drier February.

[Soochin Park]

Drier February. As a. I think a 4 year old SOE once said my mom always wants to sleep and my dad is never awake.

[Coolop V Lysack]

What does she mean by Bender? Like what does she mean by.

[Soochin Park]

Because he's the type of personality where he is from dusk till dawn going whether or not it's good for him. He's like a worker bee. Right. And so a lot of times, obviously that burnout is so real.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yeah.

[Soochin Park]

But he's just like working through. So he's just like half asleep, just going through the motions because he is so used to go, go, go, go, go.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Okay, okay.

[Soochin Park]

And so it just was funny that she, when she said that, we were both like, whoa, you just got red

[Coolop V Lysack]

at a four year old.

[Soochin Park]

Red.

[Coolop V Lysack]

She doesn't.

[Soochin Park]

Yeah. And she's just saying the most obvious thing.

[Coolop V Lysack]

And so she's like, parents in summation.

[Soochin Park]

In summation, I have to send you. And you can. Kulab does all the social posts, so you can add it or not, but I have a drawing from when she was like four or five around then. And I have it framed in my she shed. And it's. Wait, hold on a second. You gotta see this. Hold on, I'll go get it. Okay. So the picture she drew was Happy Mama, Tired Mama. What you'll notice ku is it's the exact same face that she drew. I think she was probably four years old.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Holy. So please take a photo of that and send that to me. Of course.

[Soochin Park]

I need that. Yeah. It Happy Mama, Tired Mama. And she drew my face and it's the exact same face. Nothing has changed under Happy Mama or Tired Mama. Anyway.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Amazing. That is a work of art. That is a work of art.

[Soochin Park]

Which is why it's framed like she. Yeah. I have one child who is like, nobody's here for the first time on earth. Okay. But his energy is more like, wow, like I've never been here. Wow, that's so cool. And I have the other one smoking in Newport, you know, tapping her feet with keys in her hand, being like, ugh, this again.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Yes.

[Soochin Park]

Like she cannot believe she's here again. Yes.

[Coolop V Lysack]

That's so funny.

[Soochin Park]

I have two different energies in my house. I love it. I'm so blessed to have the balance of both. Because you can't live like living in one energy is exhausting. Like you need that balance. And so I have that in both kids. And she's always been the one. I remember on this, she was probably same like 4, like really young when she said to me, well, if you're so tired all the time, why'd you have kids?

[Coolop V Lysack]

I.

[Soochin Park]

Not really. That really stinks as you're. As you're feeding the child. Because she's still young enough where she can't quite manage the spoon. And you're like, what?

[Coolop V Lysack]

What?

[Soochin Park]

And you just don't even acknowledge it. You just. Okay, now have a bite of. We're gonna do a bite of vegetables. You can't stop.

[Coolop V Lysack]

You glide past that.

[Soochin Park]

You glide past that and you're like, noted. Okay, I got it.

[Coolop V Lysack]

It.

[Soochin Park]

Anyway, so I leave you with that. With all the different types of rest that you can have.

[Coolop V Lysack]

I think that's really important because just the way that our society and capitalism is set up, this is something that you have to carve out for yourself. It's not anything that's encouraged. And we find a way. We find a way through like influencers to hustle rest somehow, some way we do it right. There's always some way.

[Soochin Park]

But.

[Coolop V Lysack]

But I think these, you know, February, it's not spring yet. Winter is a time of rest, hibernation.

[Soochin Park]

You're right. Yeah.

[Coolop V Lysack]

The first of the year is January 1st. But that doesn't mean that we need to be like guns a blazing. When spring has sprung, we'll be at a different tempo.

[Soochin Park]

Will we be at a different tempo?

[Coolop V Lysack]

I don't know. You're right. I don't know. I can't get past like, what's happening in front of my nose these days. It's like, I don't know. You're right, you're right.

[Soochin Park]

We don't know. But yes, to your point, the timeline is arbitrary. It's all about sort of listening to right. What is the right way for you and also ignoring what seems to be very, very insistent is the right way. Do you know what I mean? Like, really letting go of what is the headline.

[Coolop V Lysack]

I just have this. And I've always had this kind of ick with like, this is me. This is cool up with like a huberman or any of those. Like, I don't know, there's something about like that taking that, like masculine, like, oh, no, with like wellness. That really kind of just.

[Soochin Park]

Oh, it's such a turn off. And this being from someone who listened to every Huberman podcast. I mean, I've taken that all off because. Yeah, you're like, like, wait, what? Whose agenda am I on? It's not yours. You don't look anything like me. Your life looks nothing like me. I have no idea what your value system is.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Well, if you.

[Soochin Park]

Well, there's a couple articles that might. And some of my. And some of his friends.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Files.

[Soochin Park]

There are files. Files. Let's just say there's files.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Are you talking about. Are you talking about Peter Atia? Oh, you mean the Peter Attia who was in the Limitless series that I still reference to this day with Hemsworth? You talking about that one who's on season one and season two? Wow.

[Soochin Park]

How the mighty have fallen. And that is Fire Horse, too.

[Coolop V Lysack]

That is.

[Soochin Park]

That is Fire Horse, baby. Burn.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Burn. Wow.

[Soochin Park]

Wow.

[Coolop V Lysack]

You know, sue and I started before we turned on the mic. We said to ourselves, do we have a show today? And what a interesting journey we did. That's for you to judge. That's for you to judge. This was a journey we took together. Thank you for listening to another episode of Add to Cart.

[Soochin Park]

Always. And make sure you guys leave comments. How are you guys resting on our Instagram at Add to Cart pod. Make sure to go to Add to Cart World. Get your email up there. Make sure the aunties know exactly where to find you.

[Coolop V Lysack]

Okay, Bye bye.

[Soochin Park]

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[Coolop V Lysack]

Can I make my site firmer?

[Soochin Park]

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