A (2:52)

Wait, okay, let me step back and say, like, are we done talking about this like we're just gonna continue. How deep is this hold on pop culture? We need it, I guess, I think how deep is our need? And our need is.

B (3:08)

Our need is great.

A (3:09)

And they are. It is great. These two fine young lads are carrying the weight of our sorrows, our fears in this year, 2026.

B (3:19)

Yeah. It's not just their characters, of course I'm talking about Shane and Ilya. It is also about who they are as people and actors. Because of course, I am following every appearance, every back press, current press, future press, and their attitudes. These two men are a salve for me in this time of turmoil as my home state of Minnesota, where a lot of my family still live and work and go to school, is being occupied by ice. And as I am on this week, the amount of texting of. Of letting my neighbors know that there are ICE raids that are happening in my neighborhood and on the east side of Hollywood, I need heated rivalry. I need it.

A (4:21)

And here I thought I was just dialing in to soft porn, you know, and when everyone is talking about it, whether you want to or not, you gotta just take a peek.

B (4:34)

I'm gonna read a text exchange that happened after our last recording.

A (4:38)

Okay.

B (4:39)

Where I stated. She asked me in one line, why should she watch it? I said, it's the greatest love story ever told. And she. You cut out so much laughing ridicule.

A (4:53)

The most earnest, the most earnest, sweet little doe eye Bambi face that I have ever seen on Cool Op. And I. Every liquid came out of my face. I was laughing. So I was not expecting you to say the greatest love story of all time.

B (5:13)

Our record. We text because that's what we do. And I'm, I'm.

A (5:17)

We're.

B (5:17)

The way our friendship is, is got to be like every. All of you guys there where it's like it's on text, it's on email, it's on Instagram and it's like our Instagram or one of us is an add to cart like DMing the other. I know she's not on TikTok, so I'll download something from TikTok and I'll text that to her. Like it's just the levels. Yeah, it's so. Okay, so we text and she asked me, it's just gonna be another Bridgerton is the plot. I can't come inside. And I just wrote, you must watch.

A (5:55)

Now for the deep, deep add to Carter's you know what episode I'm talking about. And maybe I'll put a link here because that episode Is very funny. And season one. Was it season one of Bridgerton?

B (6:09)

Of Bridgerton?

A (6:09)

I was like, wait, what? Wait, was Claire with us? Yes. Okay, so Claire was with us. You both were slipping out of your seats. And I watch it. And I said, well, this is the dumbest show I've ever seen. So to be fair, I come to the table with some context, as we all do.

B (6:25)

I know.

A (6:26)

And I said, bridgerton is not for me. This is not a plot. Can I come inside? Is not a plot. And they built a whole world, not just one season. A world, a backstory around this question. So, anyway, I'll put a link to that episode.

B (6:42)

Yes. And so with my greatest satisfaction, that, let's say that was Wednesday of last week. That by Friday, nay, 48 hours later, she texted me, Fri, it's a Friday, 5:24 in the PM I'm on episode 6 started last night. And it is the greatest love story ever told. You were right. And all I could say so smugly was, thank you, Suchin.

A (7:14)

She used my birth name. The name on my passport, not my birth certificate. Cause nobody knows where that is, but.

B (7:23)

The one that's lost in the sands.

A (7:25)

Of time, the one that America shall know. Yeah.

B (7:31)

Now that we're talking about it, I wish I put your Social Security number and referred it to you as that. Just to log it in. You know what I mean?

A (7:41)

And then I was live texting. I was live texting. And we're not going to spoil it because there's going to be a. I would say there's going to be a good chunk of you still. Now you're even digging your heels deeper because you see the Golden Globes, you know, run. You've seen their press run your Instagram feeds, all your friends are saying it. But I'm not gonna spoil it. And then in live time, I got to the Hunter episode. And that's when I lost my mind.

B (8:11)

Yeah.

A (8:12)

And that's when everybody loses their mind.

B (8:13)

That's when I lost it. That's when I was fully. That's when I was rooted.

A (8:21)

Yes. That's when you know it's art. It is a contribution to society and to culture.

B (8:29)

That's right.

A (8:29)

It is beyond some, you know, schlocky, you know, romance novel.

B (8:35)

It is now the Red Shoes Diaries. It is not. And yet, though, when Hunter picks up Chip in their kitchen and lifts him up to take him to the bedroom, the way that I. I was levitating. I radiated from my crotch and levitated up because Chip the smoothie guy is Ripped. But everyone's even more.

A (9:05)

Even the smoothie guy is ripped lip.

B (9:08)

He. Hunter lifted chip like, like it was sucking poc. Like it was bird. Like sucking poc. That's how easy the lift was.

A (9:19)

People don't know though. They think. And then they start the lift and they're like, damn, this is a lead brick. What can a 50 year old virgin say?

B (9:29)

Born again virgin say? What can she say other than she loved it?

A (9:33)

No. Greatest love story of all time.

B (9:36)

Yeah, okay, okay, we'll continue to talk about it. I'll continue to tag Suchin and forward her. I mean we're for like even, even second Pac. She is forwarding me real life NHL hockey players doing their hip stretches on the ice. Like basically to the tune of Genuine's pony. I mean, and that's if she's the least horny person I know.

A (10:02)

If she's doing that.

B (10:04)

Former Sunday school teacher, Suchin Park.

A (10:07)

That's my Christian name. I mean, I can't believe that they do that. I've never seen a hockey game match, whatever it's called. I mean, but they like fornicate on the ice. They pump it on the ice like that. You guys, you guys, where have we been? I feel like we're all stumbling into the worst kept secret. And every, every hockey, hockey fan, every female blooded wife of a hockey fan, everyone has like, they're like, yeah, welcome. Welcome to the warm up. Warm up bitch. Yeah. And yeah, like, wow. As, as a culture, you know, we really are learning together. We're all holding hands. We're in Hockey 101. I'm dying to know what the NHL thinks about this. I mean, I can't only.

B (11:05)

It can only be good. I'll send you. And I don't, I can't believe that I haven't yet because I've certainly sent it to Daniel Schneider, who is also obsessed is during the games. Like the people playing the music are playing songs from, from Heated Rivalry, like those key songs. Tattoo, all the things she said. Wolf Parade. When you know when a great thing happens between Chip and Scott and they're playing it during these games and people are losing their minds. The crowd's like, I mean that's like, that's good shit. That's good shit.

A (11:42)

That is good shit. And I saw this interview, I think it was with Andy Cohen, but like ultimately one of the greatest takeaways and why so many people connect to this is that it, it really is a salve for toxic masculinity. So that's why it's so great to hear. Cause I didn't know that at actual hockey games, are they like, fuck that. You know, like, that's not fucking hockey. But the fact that the audience, you know, is really embracing this. I mean, there just are little tent poles of, like, can we actually change collectively as a civilization? How we view life through what lens? And that to a gay love story about two gay hockey players can take toxic masculinity.

B (12:38)

But I also want to say it's a sell for toxic, toxic femininity, too. Like, what I also like is that basically, I think, if I'm correct, all of the women are so supportive of them. All of the women in their lives are so supportive, right? Like, Alia's best friend Shane's dating a starlet. They're supportive of these men. Ultimately, Shane's mom is supportive of them both. That also fills me. That's a great thing about romance. There are happy endings. There's misunderstandings there. Life is happening, of course. But I fucking need hope, okay? I need hope in 2026. That's the energy I need in this, like, fire horse time that is coming up at the end of February when Lunar New Year happens. Like, I need this. I need hope. I need this. There's, like, goodness and playfulness. Like, that's what I need.

A (13:43)

I mean, not to whatever, you know, half Korean. But anyway, you know, that's just. Yay.

B (13:49)

Yeah, half Korean. Now, of course, just aside because we're Asian. And again, we will move on after this. But I was like, I must be that the source material, the book that it's based on, that Shane is biracial Japanese. Because when he says Japanese, I'm like. And again, it's only. What Asians are gonna see this. But I'm like, mom is biracial. Mom is Chinese. Shane is Korean. It's just these things that only we're gonna know, right? Which will probably dovetail on what we're gonna talk about next.

A (14:20)

It's like, oh, yeah, she dovetails nicely.

B (14:22)

Yes. Yeah. They are both fine actors. But when he was like, oh, yeah, I'm Japanese, I was like, are you now? Are you now, listen.

A (14:31)

Suspended romantic belief. A lot of this is for us to put aside our crusty, you know, selves and to just dive into a deep. A deep, enduring love is all I hope for.

B (14:47)

That's right. That's right. Oh, okay. All right, let's. Okay, we shoot, we score. Our puck went into the net. Let us transition. Okay, sue, today we are going to do something a little bit different, okay? Yeah. It's in the spirit of this even looser era. Allow me to set the table. So things you need to know that you Cardis didn't know before. So our Auntie sue got some surgery a year ago and in a moment you're gonna hear a recording that we did about a month after. In February 2025.

A (15:25)

That's right.

B (15:26)

So why have we been sitting on it? Well, we thought it might be subscriber only if we launch a Patreon and. Yes, right.

A (15:34)

Yeah.

B (15:35)

As you know, like many things with us, it did not happen.

A (15:38)

No, we're in a better era.

B (15:41)

Yes, thank you.

A (15:42)

We're even in a looser era. By the way. Free. Okay, this is now free. Now when we recorded it, I do have to say I did record with a certain level of abandon because I did think it was going to be behind a paywall. But you know what? I give.

B (16:01)

You give, I give. It's you surrender. That's right.

A (16:05)

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B (18:00)

Okay, So I think. I personally think. I think it would be cool for us to hop into a time machine and flashback to what happened to sue, and then hard cut to the present again a year later. So, sue, how. You feel good about this?

A (18:17)

Yes. I mean, I am in your gorgeous producer soft hands. Let's do it. That's the only way to do it. Let's go back in time, folks. Imagine a world.

B (18:28)

Yeah.

A (18:28)

Just a few weeks after I get these lids taken care of.

B (18:34)

Without further ado, engineer Tony, please time jump to the past Carter's again. Let me say this again.

A (18:44)

Welcome to a special bonus episode. Yeah.

B (18:47)

I'm your Auntie Cuckoo.

A (18:49)

I'm your other auntie Susu. You know that.

B (18:51)

Yeah. Now, in a span of a year, you and I have both gotten our eyes done. Mine, of course, have been surgically enhanced.

A (18:58)

And mine may be tbd.

B (19:01)

Oh. Aha. Okay, sue, let's talk about it.

A (19:05)

Okay.

B (19:06)

Let's talk about it. Let's get into it.

A (19:08)

Okay, I got one.

B (19:09)

Are you okay? Are you okay? Are you all right?

A (19:13)

Okay. I have to say, this week, as of Monday, I finally return phone calls. And I'm meaning that, like, up until that week, friends have been leaving concerning text and voicemail messages. And I was like, no, I can't discuss what has happened from my surgery because it was such a surprising journey. And as Annie, who flew out to take care of me because she's a hero, said, why would we expect you to do anything in a normal fashion?

B (19:57)

All right, let's pause here. You look fantastic today. You look great. Because I saw you before and you did not. So let's start.

A (20:06)

Oh, wait. So what? Okay, let's go. You know what? Okay. For those listening, I mean, this. I think this is obvious really quick. I have been talking about the heaviness of my eyelids and. And how difficult it has been for me to open my eyes physically for years. Mike was like. Since I've known you, I was thinking. I was like, God, really? That long? And it just. Over the last year, it has gotten to the point where now I'm, like, icing my face. I'm icing my forehead because I'm having such tension, and so I. Tension.

B (20:43)

And then the headaches.

A (20:45)

Headaches.

B (20:45)

I think maybe the listeners, maybe more, could recognize what you refer to them as. You say that you have salmon folds, Correct.

A (20:53)

Fatty salmon folds. And guess what? Still have fatty salmon folds. And we'll get into that. We'll get into why I still have salmon folds. But why don't you start wherever you want to start? Cuz I don't even know where to begin with this journey.

B (21:11)

Well, I guess I could go a little, you know, far back when I said, I'm getting my eyes done, you're like, cool up. I'm getting my eyes done too. And then I explained that it was ICL surgery, which is essentially just putting tiny, tiny contact lenses into my eyeballs. And you went, oh, well that, that's not what I'm getting.

A (21:34)

Yes, I am getting what they call an upper bleph. It's like upper bleph for blebs to D or something. But they call it an upper bluff for sure. An upper bluff.

B (21:46)

And you went in. Annie, sent from heaven, was always going to come be there with you, take you down to la, watch over you in your brother's apartment.

A (21:58)

Cook for me a strictly homemade Caesar salad diet because that's what I was craving. She made homemade Caesar salad every day. That's what I wanted.

B (22:08)

Such a good friend. Wow. She's such a good friend.

A (22:11)

Yeah. And also, let me remind you before we get into just some of the things that happened to me, this is probably the most common plastic surgery done in the world. I can't imagine a more common thing. They don't even call it surgery. I mean, it's a procedure I did in office. Like I did not have anesthesia. I had local anesthetics. That's what that's called. Yeah.

B (22:36)

You were told that you'd be fine after the weekend. Yeah. Is that correct too?

A (22:40)

Not only that, I had a wonderful once in a lifetime trip planned to celebrate my dear friend Carol's 50th in Tulum two weeks after. And she was like, yeah, I don't see a problem.

B (22:53)

Right.

A (22:54)

Had to cancel that.

B (22:56)

Had to cancel then. So you go in on a Friday.

A (22:58)

I go in on a Friday. And she, you know, did the whole pre op thing, measured how much skin and you know, she's like, there's a lot of skin coming off. And I was like, great, take it off. Yeah, that's what I'm here for. In fact, take a little extra off, you know, just in case. So she's not going to be the doctor that's going to give you the transformative look, you know.

B (23:23)

Yeah.

A (23:24)

Did I hope that like, oh, I got a little more for my money, you know, as everyone. Yeah. I mean, hopes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I'm like, oh, I just went in for that and I, you know, it's Jenny from Blackpink, like Did I think, wait, maybe there may be, you know, a hope there. That's not the case. But the whole point is, is that she's the type of doctor that's not gonna transform you into that. She's just going to, you know, do a very like natural. Blah, blah, blah. So I really went with that. And because I did go to doctors that I was like, well, this will change and this will change. And that was kind of exciting. And I considered it. But at the end of the day, I just knew me and I was like, I. That freaked me out too much because it was a little bit out of my comfort zone. And already I'm a very. What do you call it? I'm. I'm very squeamish.

B (24:19)

You're averse? Yeah, yeah. You're averse to this? Yeah.

A (24:22)

So I don't, I don't like to do these kinds of things.

B (24:24)

When you went to Korea, it was always going to be. There was like a limit. Your pain threshold.

A (24:29)

Yes. You were never. It was. All right, you're right.

B (24:32)

And you were gonna get cut. You were. It was just like, what can I. Laser? And what can I, you know? Yeah.

A (24:37)

So this is a big deal for me. This is years in the. So it's in office and she asks if I want to. Okay. I've never done this. I've had laughing gas in, in a dental office, but I've. Have you ever had self regulated or self prescribed? Basically it's a tube like a vape, like a bomb. Shut up. That they put in that you can hold in your mouth. And you just inhale whenever you're feeling anxious. And when you inhale, it's the Pronox, whatever the gas, the laughing gas is, you ingest it and then you're on a magic carpet ride three doors down. What?

B (25:23)

No, of course not.

A (25:24)

And when they said, would you like this option? I don't think you're gonna need it. I said, bring me three tubes. I want all of the options. Like, I don't want to be in my body for this at all. So that was.

B (25:39)

So you're not fully out while this is happening?

A (25:41)

No, because you have to open and close your eyes.

B (25:45)

Are you under twilight anesthesia?

A (25:47)

No.

B (25:49)

Oh, wow.

A (25:49)

It's just. But you don't feel anything. There is. At the end of the day, you guys are listening and some of you may be clenching your. Your coochies. I have to say, the only thing I can tell you 100% for sure at this point is three weeks out. Is that there Is no pain. Zero pain. The procedure was zero painful. The recovery was zero pain.

B (26:10)

So you obviously, you were numbed.

A (26:12)

Yes, I was numbed. And then I was laughing, gassed, and I sucked on that thing so hard, so fast, so much that there were times when I was actually self conscious about the amount of sucking on that too much. I was thinking, because there were so many people in the room, I was like, wait, do these girls think that I'm sucking too much?

B (26:35)

And. And because you're.

A (26:37)

You're. You know, first of all, that's. My personality is like, heaven forbid that I should appear unladylike in public, but also that you're also high. So I go into straight paranoia. And my paranoia was, bitch, suck on this less. You can't be sucking on this. Like, they're not even doing anything. And at one point, before anything was happening, I was like. And it sounds like that. Like a bong. It's like, before anything, I was like, Wait, hold on. Listen. Cool. I don't want to do an hour of this, so let's try to keep it moving. But listen. So I'm sucking on this thing, and there's. There's probably four people outside of the surgeon in the room just prepping at this point. Then nothing's happened. They're laying down utensils, and one of the lovely ladies that were in there asked me a question, and I said, honey, quote, honey, you're gonna have to speak up. Because I was three doors down on an imagined carpet ride, and I know you. You're gonna have to fight the sucking sound. And I know you're right at my ear. I can feel you to the left of me, but, baby, you're gonna have to speak up. I have no idea. And I just. So anyway, a lot of that going on. Well.

B (28:28)

Cause I spoke to you pretty much immediately after. Or we texted immediately after. And what did I say?

A (28:38)

I don't even remember.

B (28:40)

This is, like, giving me. Oh, I should. I should try to pull up, like, the text to see what you're saying.

A (28:43)

I don't even remember sending you photos. I have no idea. What?

B (28:48)

Are you serious?

A (28:48)

I mean, I. I mean, I don't know. I don't remember. Yeah, I don't remember who I talked to, who I texted, who. I. I was in such a panic the entire time, and I've been in a panic since. I mean, this week. I think I'm finally, like, leveled out to a point where I'm, like, in acceptance.

B (29:07)

Yeah. I mean, just getting ahead of ourselves. Like, sue was really bummed out. Like I. I felt really, really bad. You were. I was, yeah.

A (29:17)

Okay. So this is, I was worried about. This is the. This is. Now let's start the episode. Okay. And what I'm going to say, all that before was chaos, and that's what we're here for. But now we're gonna actually start an episode, which is that this is the plastic surgery story for the person that can't do anything the correct normal way.

B (29:46)

Yeah.

A (29:47)

That is often the outlier in every single physical thing. Like, you know, it could be anything. It could be that, you know, you're. You're on water skis for the first time and you sprained both ankles at the same time. And the instructor says, this has never happened before. And you're like, well, it's happening now. Okay, so this is for that person. It has nothing to do with the procedure. It has nothing to do with the doctor. It has nothing to do with anybody else. This isn't me and my body, right? No, no. Now, I did go through that. I said, I am on an episode of Scamanda. Don't know what that is, but you know what I'm talking about, where I've just been scammed. And so I did go through that in my paranoid state because I reacted so badly to the surgery. I reacted in a way that 99% of the population will not be reacting. But this is the tale of the 1% that will react. And I'm gonna. It's just a cautionary tale, something to consider in the end. Like my marriage. Would I do it again? Yes. In the end, do I?

B (30:57)

Will I.

A (30:58)

Would I have made the same decisions after knowing everything I know now? Yes. But.

B (31:04)

Well, there's things that you're like, I know myself. Okay. I know. I know myself enough that when offered some sucking gas, I'm going to be a suckin.

A (31:12)

Okay.

B (31:12)

You knew that. I'm second park and I be a sucking. So sorry.

A (31:20)

I was sure they were like, we haven't even touched her and she has been puffing on that purple dragon for quite a while.

B (31:30)

But here's what you did not know and you could not know. And what you shared with me is that you are what the medical profession calls a bleeder.

A (31:39)

Correct? That is. I didn't know.

B (31:42)

I'm a little tripped out because when you told me you were a bleeder, I guess I didn't picture that you were awake sucking on this laughing gas while you were just bleeding out of your eyes.

A (31:57)

Literally bleeding out of my eyes. She made the first incision and. Sorry, I'm just looking through my photo because I don't know if I have it, which I don't think I do. I will have to get it from Annie. I'll have to describe it to you. God, I wish you could see this. Yeah. She made the first decision and she said, oh, there's. Wow, you're a bleeder. And I was like, oh, God, here we fucking go. You know, I mean, I was like, this is. I'm in for it. Like, the thing you don't want to hear from your surgeon as the operation is happening is surprise. And she was like, yeah. Oh. Oh, you're. Oh, yeah. It's already bruising. And I like, can I get more carpets? This is not enough of a carpet. It's not big enough. It's not going high enough. Like, why am I awake? Like, what is happening? So. But it was pretty quick and it was over. And, you know, they had to use three times more lidocaine to numb me than is normal. And that's just the way it went. And so all of that led to just my healing process, which has been really slow and has been shockingly grotesque looking, although not painful. And I woke up on the third day and that's the picture I texted you. You can look at it. I don't know if I texted you that earlier. Now. I no recollection. See, that was day three.

B (33:34)

Oh, God. Tony, are you looking at it? You're fine. Because Tony. Tony isn't squeamish. Tony's like, this is normal. But even Tony, who's not squeamish, wrote, it's wild. I. I hadn't seen this photo. I hadn't seen.

A (33:50)

Yeah, I don't think. I didn't send that. It's not like I'm sending that photo.

B (33:54)

What did Tony say?

A (33:55)

Tony says, you look like you ran.

B (33:58)

Into a bear in a dark. In a dark alley.

A (34:01)

Correct. Correct. I mean, that was what I.

B (34:05)

Much worse than the other.

A (34:07)

Yeah, yeah. I mean, day three and I couldn't open my eyes. I was.

B (34:11)

And just to rejusted in blood. The doctor said normally for a normal person, a person who is not such and poc.

A (34:19)

You're out.

B (34:20)

Day three. You're out and about.

A (34:21)

You're out and about. You have sunglasses on, maybe. You know what I mean? Like, that's, you know, recommended man too. But that. So anywho, that's. You were.

B (34:33)

You were in a state because you.

A (34:34)

You had.

B (34:35)

When you were describing it to me, you were talking about all these anomalies that didn't, to me, felt like this was this thing. A person that was outside the norm. Yeah, that was. It was personal.

A (34:45)

No, it was personal and I realized that. So anyway, it was a lot of that and a lot of just like, dear God. And I, you know, I got through it now.

B (34:56)

I felt. Yeah. What I really felt bad about was like, you just, like you were regretting at the time, inside of it, you were regretting. And it's like you, you were really like self flagellating. Like, I did this to myself. That part. I was like, oh, sue, this sucks. Like, I. I felt like you were gonna come out of it on a different side. I mean, I was like, don't cancel. Don't cancel your trip. You know, this is just day, like day three or whatever. May it be okay. Obviously you had to cancel your trip. I understand.

A (35:29)

Day three, I woke up, I sent that picture to my doctor. The doctor's like, come in immediately. I went in and she said, you're fine, it's fine. You're a bleeder. And okay, everything is fine. She just wanted to make sure because she couldn't tell from the photo, like, what was happening to my face. And. And she's like, you have to cancel your trip. This is just going to be a long process for you. And you just never know, you know, when you're doing anything like this, how your body is going to heal. And I think that, like, there's a level of. And the reason why I'm talking about it is one of the reasons is because I have for years. My algorithm is all eye surgery, all before hafters, doctors recommendations, you know, photos of patients. This isn't their journey, their healing. And it all looks like, like nothing, like a cinch, like gorgeous. Never one misstep, never one hair out of place. And I know that we all know social media is fake, but. But like that's like in the background. That's not something that, like, I think we consciously think about because it's not. Our brains don't function like that. At some point we have to put that in the subconscious and we start to, whatever it is, get sucked into, believe, buy into. This is what this whole podcast is about, you know, into all this stuff. And I think there was a part of me that was like, I wish I could post this. I wish I could post and be like, hey, also, this is also a plastic surgery journey. Like, it's not all 24 year olds with teeny tiny stitches that come out and then they're, you Know, on the beach in a thong, you know, a week later, like, that's kind of like what I realized. I was like, oh, like, wow. I fell for it, you know? Like, I. But now I'm on the other side of it.

B (37:31)

Yeah, that's not to, like, take on.

A (37:33)

Like, it's. It's just me. But it was a real good reminder that life doesn't happen, you know what I mean, on this phone, and that we all have different journeys and. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's just a reminder. I know all this. I'm not saying anything that is, you know, enlightening. But it was just a reminder because I was like, these aren't the stitches that I've seen. The. This isn't even the color of stitch that I've seen. I'm like, what. What is this? You know, I've seen smaller stitches. Everything from that to, like, this isn't how swollen I should be. I shouldn't be this bruised, you know, like, all of these things. And it was just like. Like, yeah, nobody's gonna post this version of plastic surgery.

B (38:20)

Right. You know what I mean?

A (38:21)

Like, what's the content there? Like, the second realization that I had, and Lord knows I'm a hypocrite, and maybe in a few years, I'll be sitting at this mic saying, I did something else. The second I felt just the pressure of the blade on my skin, the thought that ran into my magic carpet brain very clearly was, never again. Yeah, Never, ever again. Now, does that exclude if I have something like this where, like, it's impeding my way of being in the. In the world.

B (39:03)

Quality of life.

A (39:04)

Thank you. That's what I was trying to find the words for.

B (39:09)

That's why you have a partner.

A (39:10)

Quality of life, perhaps. You know, but again, I went into this, I was like, if this. In the console, I was like, if the surgeon says I have to go under that I have to have some sort of anesthesia, I'm not doing it. Like, it's not worth it. I'll just ice my eyes and my forehead forever. But I went in with lots of, like, these are the things I'm very. Not very clear about. And then, you know, the rest is, you know, up to. Up to chance. But I do have to say, like, having gone through this, you know, I joke, like, most of my conversations with my friends who are all in their 50s now, all we talk about is, like, what about a little mini lift? What about a jaw lift? What about a little neck thing? This is all we talk about. We exchange information on dermatologists and this and blah, blah, blah. And I was like, that bank is wiped clean. There's no more. I have lost all taste.

B (40:07)

Yeah, you.

A (40:08)

It's done. I have.

B (40:09)

That's not your fancy.

A (40:10)

My feed now when I. I'm like, I have no interest in hearing about you before you're after. I have no interest in doing that.

B (40:17)

You didn't know that you were a bleeder until this.

A (40:19)

I didn't know I was a lot of things. Things until this. And that's life. Even at my age, I can learn something profound about myself. And guess what? I'm a bleeder.

B (40:35)

You're a bleeder. And you. You bruise and you. You know, I mean, okay, well, let. Before. Okay, we will wrap up really soon, too. But I just. I want to know, like, okay, when we turned a corner, it was this.

A (40:50)

Week when, you know, I mean, she had to put me on steroids because she's like, your face is crazy. Like, you have to bring the swelling down. So once I got in the steroids and I finished that round, like I said, then I went to my massage person. She did, like, a lymphatic drain. And after that, I was like, oh, I see some of the swelling go down. I'm still at that phase of, like, I don't know what this will hold.

B (41:17)

Yeah. Because you look great now, but I can tell you're not fully.

A (41:21)

No, I'm not fully healed at all. And I've got, like, filters on, and so you can't really see it, but. So I don't know how this will heal. But. And the other funny thing is. And again, I've never done anything like this. I mean, I did lasers for the first time last year. Like, I've never done anything because I'm so scared. Even though I talk a big talk, I know myself and I know that, like, I can spiral into dark places of paranoia. So I do not even put myself in those situations. But I do have to say, like, at the end of the day, it looks the same. I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like, wait, where are my new eyes? Where are my new eyes? At the. Hello. Where are they? Like, to me, they look the same. Now I, you know, see, this isn't.

B (42:22)

Fair, because I don't. Because it.

A (42:24)

Yeah. Like, when the skulls.

B (42:25)

Can I just say that it does seem like your eyes are. Are like, more open, but I don't know if I am, of course, looking for that.

A (42:37)

Right.

B (42:38)

And wanting.

A (42:38)

Who knows? But you do seem who knows?

B (42:41)

Like, they just seem more open.

A (42:43)

Okay, wait. Really funny. And then we'll try to wrap this up. I just want to say, for anyone that's not Asian, this conversation is very confusing, at least this part of the conversation, because Asian people see that nuance. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, we're so trained in our conditioning and our training from birth to notice the shape of our eyes. So it's really interesting because I think. I think if I just ran into anybody else that didn't know me very well and wasn't Asian and even. Maybe even Asian, but just didn't know me at all, there would be absolutely. They could not tell. But that's also maybe good. But. So we were in the pre op thing, right? And so she's like, marking your eyes and she's like, seeing how much she's gonna cut off and all that stuff. And I'm asking her the questions and I'm like, okay, so, like, so I. I won't be using my forehead to lift my eyes. And she's like, yeah, yeah, that should definitely be a lot less of a problem. And I was like, and my eyes, you know, they'll look a little bit more lifted. She's like, no, she's like, they'll be lighter. I'm like, oh, lighter. Okay, but lift.

B (43:55)

She's like, you didn't do an eye lift. That was a procedure.

A (43:58)

Lifted. And I was like. And she's like, like, no, lighter. And I was like, okay, okay, let me, Let me come at this. Different. I was like, yeah, but, you know, I'll look. I mean, there's a lot of skin. You know, I'm gonna look different, right? She's like, no, exactly the same. It's like, she told you what I was like, but. But different. No, same. But lifted. But lighter. But lifted. This is why I wanted not different. I went to her and I was like, this is my girl. She was not trying to sell me anything. She just was giving it to me straight. And she. I have to imagine that when you're working with any kind of cosmetic anything, that most of your job is managing expectations 100%. And she was like, let me tell you what is going to happen. You're going to look exactly the same, only it's going to feel lighter. Like, I can't give you that in more bold, underlined, and, you know, typed.

B (45:04)

Wow.

A (45:05)

And the whole time I'm like, but, you know, you know, if you had to do a little bit more. And then it was like a little Lifted. She's like, no, that's not the procedure. And she's like, and I'm not that surgeon. And she was very straightforward. And I was like, this is why I went to her when I had that consult a year ago, I was like, this is the person that I want. I want someone who's very straightforward and honest and, like, gonna give it to me straight. Like, I don't want to sold on something, and I also don't want to come out looking like, you know, like a different person. So. And this is what I got. But, you know, you're. You're in there, you're negotiating, you know, in a pre op. You're just trying to see what I was going to say.

B (45:44)

Yeah, you got to see where the legend.

A (45:46)

I'm like, is there. I'm like, would it be so bad if I came out and I looked a little younger? I looked a little more K pop, you know, I'm like, like, I can live with that. And she's like, no, that's not. That's not what we're doing here today.

B (45:59)

Plus her.

A (46:00)

Yeah, bless her.

B (46:01)

Because even I was gonna say sue because, like, I've had friends who have gotten, like, eye lifts, and that was. That was surgery. They 100 were under. But even then, it was. It was. It was because they looked. It was so slight. It just was so slight. It was to, you know, not look tired. Like, tired. You know what I mean?

A (46:22)

So that's the thing again, I joke about this, but I'm realizing it's like they did that.

B (46:29)

This was a. This was a surgery.

A (46:32)

Yeah.

B (46:32)

And they still was.

A (46:33)

Do they look and looks good?

B (46:35)

Yes, absolutely. But that was a hardcore surgery. And I kind of want to make this connection that, like, you doing this lesser surgery, finding out that you bleed as much you do as. You know what I mean? Like, maybe there's a blessing in that.

A (46:48)

Oh, yeah. No. When I took the stitches out and she was like, okay, let's see what's. What's, what. And she was like, oh, God. She's like, there's just so much swelling, I don't even know what's there. This is healing perfectly. That's all. That is the only thing that I can. I care about at this stage in the game, but I cannot tell you what they will look like because you're so swollen. She's like, so, you know, if, you know, you want again, this is a thing, you know, if you want your fold to look more pronounced, you know, we can go back in. And I thought Never.

B (47:22)

Never again. Yeah, keep it again.

A (47:24)

Keep my fold. I don't want anything to do with. It will never again be happening. And it certainly won't be for the cosmetic like. Again, no judgment.

B (47:35)

No, no.

A (47:36)

I wanted that before.

B (47:37)

Yeah.

A (47:38)

I was like, no, I'm gonna. You know, in my 50s, that that's. I'm gonna be tweaking things. That's what you think about as a woman, unfortunately, or whatever. And so I was that person. I'm just saying now having the specific experience that I had with my specific body. Never.

B (48:00)

I don't think you're a good candidate for this.

A (48:01)

Thank you. That's what I was saying.

B (48:03)

On the physical level, the way that you swell, the way that you bleed, you're not a great candidate for just doing. It's not casual for you.

A (48:10)

No, it. You know, even the most casual in office procedure. Yes, exactly.

B (48:16)

So to say that like this in office procedure took you out from your kids, you know, and so if you did anything more than that, you don't. That's what I mean, that your lifestyle doesn't know. Like, you can't.

A (48:30)

I. Am I bummed? Yeah. Of course.

B (48:34)

This is the time to mourn the procedures that you had hoped to do.

A (48:37)

Let's have. Let's have the ceremony now. Go ahead.

B (48:40)

Yeah.

A (48:40)

Prayer.

B (48:41)

Let's cue.

A (48:41)

Boys to men.

B (48:42)

End of the road.

A (48:46)

Goodbye. Goodbye. Brow lift, goodbye. Half lift. Goodbye. Neck lift, goodbye. It was you and I'm sad idea of you. And now I can move on, but goodbye. This is where we lay. Part ways that person to rest.

B (49:11)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we. For each procedure, we pop a 40 and we.

A (49:17)

We shed a tear.

B (49:19)

Pour a little out. Yeah.

A (49:20)

And pour the way shed a procedure. I'm bummed. You know, I'm sad. Like any. Seeing any good friend, you know, have to go out.

B (49:27)

I'm so happy that those tears can finally fall down your cheeks, your less swollen cheeks.

A (49:34)

And that's it.

B (49:36)

See, I know you're not healed yet, but I do think, like, I can. I can see more whites in your eye.

A (49:46)

Okay, I'm gonna send you the before picture. I mean, it's shocking that I went around like that, you know, so. Yes. Again, though, what I'm talking about is millimeters. That's what we're talking about, guys. Visibly. I actually, at the end of the day, like, don't care that much. And I'm being honest with you, now that I'm here, you know, like, I'm like, you know what? I don't. I don't really care. That much. If the scars show, if they don't show, if I have a fold, if I don't have a fold, I don't really at the end of the day, just like when I went in before, I had hopes and dreams of being Jenny from Blackpink. I just needed to not use my forehead to lift my eyes. The exhaustion of that. So if I get that from the surgery, it's 100%. I would do it again. Heartbeat. It was a success. So that's all I care about.

B (50:42)

And when do we think in timeline wise we'll know that that's the case?

A (50:48)

You tell me.

B (50:49)

Okay.

A (50:50)

Okay.

B (50:51)

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A (50:55)

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B (53:26)

So we need an update. Are you still having to use your forehead to open your eyes?

A (53:36)

What an opening question. You know what, it's where we left off. Where we left off. Where does journalist. Yes. Hard hitting, hard hitting. You're getting right to it. And I am in the hot seat as they say. Yeah. I am still having to use my forehead to open my eyes. I know we want this to be the greatest love story ever told as well. And it is a love story. It just may not be the greatest love story ever told. Okay. I am using my forehead, probably my neck and my shoulders to open my eyes.

B (54:12)

Yes.

A (54:13)

No.

B (54:13)

And we know from that beautiful song my neck, my back, my pussy and my crack, it's all connected.

A (54:19)

That song is about fascia and the fascia's tight. Okay. So it's really interesting because when I went in with to do check ins with my doctor and DM me if you're interested, I'm happy to give her name out. Had a wonderful experience. But I did these check ins with her and I was like, I'm still using my forehead a lot. And she was like, listen, you have been using your forehead to lift your eyes for 50 years. Some of that, a lot of that is going to be just retraining your muscles.

B (54:54)

Oh.

A (54:55)

Because you're just naturally doing that. And I thought, wow, that is really interesting. So now it's a year later and everything has mellowed out and. And I am using it, but I'm using it less. And that's the title of this part of the episode. Less, less, less and less. That is enough. In fact, that's all I got.

B (55:21)

That's all you got. You said less and it reminds me of something you said over and over again.

A (55:27)

Oh God.

B (55:28)

You said suck on this less. And that's you. You talking about the pronox which was our third host of that last segment. It was our certainly one subject was suchin. The other subject was pronox.

A (55:43)

She's the queen, she's the royalty. I mean, okay, I do have to say it was hard to listen back to this episode. And just to hear the. You guys, that was three weeks out, I could have still had a residual pronox in me. Cause I sure sounded like I did.

B (56:04)

I mean, the sucking noises that you were offering that and using your words.

A (56:12)

Of how much you were sucking, sucking so much. And all that is true. I can't sit here and be like, well, you know, it is all true. And there's no. I have no excuses, and I shall not say anything other than what is. And so, yeah, when I was listening back to it, God, I do remember. I remember so clearly. And it still sits with me like a. Like a lead balloon, how much pronox I sucked. But, like, also, like, how embarrassing, you know, that was. Whether or not they thought it was embarrassing, I'm sure they did. Because let me tell you, when I went back in there, I did see faces, you know, three months later of just like, oh, you're the gal. Well, a legend before my time.

B (57:06)

Is it that you were sucking so much pronox? Is it also that you were hairy style, bleeding out of your eyes? And the answer is, it's a combination. And the fact that you were bleeding from your eyelids like that didn't not warrant all that pronounced like, I guess there's a real egg before the chicken. Chicken before the egg situation.

A (57:27)

The thing is, is that you're gonna learn things with me. And I believe that that office and that surgeon, she might be like, you know what? It's all a blur. But I do remember a few.

B (57:39)

That's true.

A (57:40)

And I do remember that gal Second Pac. The outlier, the outlier, the bleeder, the bruiser, the second. You know, all I can say is I've done my part in medical history. I'm sure she's going to approach surgery in a different way now that she's had me as a patient.

B (57:57)

Interesting. Like you're a case study that showed.

A (57:59)

Yeah, she's like, oh, okay, yeah, that can also happen.

B (58:03)

That can happen in my. In my experience. Yeah, this can happen.

A (58:08)

That's right. And so now she is a better surgeon for it.

B (58:12)

Okay, so we. We talked about how it feels. Does it still look the same now?

A (58:20)

I think this is really interesting. Like, it's so hard for me to tell, obviously, because I look at myself every day and it's so hard for you to tell because you look at me often. Like, I think if you were in my everyday life, I don't think that it would be that big of a difference. Six months later, I did go to Korea and see my relatives. They didn't know I did this. And my cousin was like, oh, you got your eyes done. And I was like, wow, really? She's like, oh, yeah. It's so different than how you were last year. Because I had seen her the year before.

B (58:55)

Okay.

A (58:56)

If I, like, in my honest opinion, like, really look. Because I was looking at old photos and new photos, and I'm like, it kind of looks the same. I do have to say that, like, there is a. The only thing that I wanted was to feel different, to feel less tension, to feel lighter in my eyes. And all of those things are true. Okay. I can't say if it looks different. I think the lesson that I've learned, and I emphasize I. Because this is such a personal experience, and I think it is for everyone, is that if you're going to do something like this at 50, you're not gonna get the. The transformative surgery face, if that's what you're going in for. Do you see what I'm saying?

B (59:48)

Okay.

A (59:49)

Like, this is a small tweak. And the only regret I have is that I didn't do it in my 30s.

B (59:57)

Oh, okay. That's what I was wondering. You were getting at. Why could you speak? Speak?

A (60:01)

Because I think that, like, you're the. The whole.

B (60:03)

The whole.

A (60:04)

The gravity. I mean, your whole face is kind of of, you know, heading downward, obviously, by this age in life. And I think had I done this earlier, I think the healing would have gone a lot better, and I think the results would have been a lot more pronounced. And maybe I wouldn't be using the fatigue. All of that maybe would have been, like, less and less. But I do. And it's. You know, I'm sorry if this is not the PC thing to say, but the honest thing to say is I think that the earlier you start with tiny little tweaks. By the time you get to 50, I think you're in a different place. But I. Whoa. And I mean, tiny little tweaks. I'm not talking about, like, complete, like, facial reconstruction. I'm not talking about, you know, Kris Kardashian, mom lady. What's her name? Kris Jenner. I'm not talking about that.

B (61:02)

That.

A (61:02)

I'm talking about small things like this procedures, if you will, you know, little in office, things to that. And I think that. That I feel like, is the way to go, versus if you're not the person that's like, I'm getting a facelift at 50, which I'm not. Okay? So if you're not that person, you know, like little tweaks with obviously that in mind to try to like keep your face intact. But at the end of the day, unless I, I think unless you're doing like a, like a full facelift at 50, you're still gonna look like a, like a young 50. I don't think you do this, which could be good.

B (61:38)

Which is great. Yeah.

A (61:40)

But like, you can't go into this thinking that, like I'm gonna come out looking like I'm, you know, a K pop show, you know, like. So I think there are those kinds of surgeries you can do that. We've seen it. But what I'm talking about are these little kind of like, I would call them like maintenance things.

B (61:59)

You wish that you would have started to do the maintenance and specifically to your situation, which was like your lids.

A (62:06)

Being heavy instead of waiting this long. It just. This is what it is at 50, you know what I mean? The healing is gonna be slower. I think the results are different. I mean, every now that I'm like a year out of it, everything, it's is so much older, you know, than even a year ago. Like the bottom half of my face. I am still sitting in the space of. I will never ever do any type of surgery again.

B (62:31)

That was gonna be my follow up, like. Cause I know your friend group, your ajama friend group. I mean, they're still.

A (62:38)

Oh yeah.

B (62:39)

So are you just like listening and not participating? What are you.

A (62:44)

Yeah, I mean there is of course like the fantasy version of me where I'm like, yeah, why can't I do that? And then like hard, quick reality of like, no, it's just not worth it. The other thing too is that. And God strike me down if I'm lying and if I sound, you know, so cliche, but I'm going into my 50s. I'm like, for what? What am I doing all that for?

B (63:09)

Right.

A (63:09)

Where am I going in kitten heels.

B (63:13)

Yeah.

A (63:13)

And a button up pant. I'm not doing that in a button up pants. I'm not doing. Come on in the same way that I do. You look at your wardrobe like, what is the life that you're living?

B (63:26)

Okay, this is where. This is where I, for you specifically Susan park, will never say your name right this episode.

A (63:38)

Or some would say you are using the correct name for the context. Sucking.

B (63:42)

Well, right. So you don't foresee yourself doing on camera work.

A (63:49)

Yeah, but on camera work as a 50 year old woman.

B (63:53)

All right, girl.

A (63:53)

Do you know what I'm saying? What is the goal? What's the end goal here. I knew very clearly going into my eyes what the end goal was. The hope was, is that there was just less tension on my neck and my face. Overall, I've achieved that as much as I can with this procedure. Now, had it gone better, would I be right now booking a flight to Korea to do a brow lift? Yes. Had it gone better, would I then be like, two years from now, I'll be doing, like a small lower lift? Yes. These are things in my fantasy world that I'm like, yeah, like, little maintenance things. Should have started it earlier, but that's okay. But of course, the reality is. But I'm a believer.

B (64:40)

I know because, like, how much of a difference would have been when you were 30 and now you have like a folder of pictures. Annie took a few post op.

A (64:47)

No.

B (64:48)

And that'll stop you.

A (64:49)

That'll stop your track. That'll stop anybody in there. That's why I'm not posting that. That'll stop anybody in their tracks. I'm not. I'm not asking this for that. Surgeon's practice will come down. It's not on her. This is on me. Unlike me as a person. Now, on the other side of it, I have zero regrets. And like I said, I should have done it earlier and I should have done more. That's the. That's how I feel.

B (65:14)

Any scarring? Can you see incision marks?

A (65:17)

Yes.

B (65:18)

No.

A (65:18)

I mean, whatever I'm seeing is so just minuscule to just my eyes only. I'm also not like. I don't know why. It just didn't. I had. I just. That doesn't bother me in terms of, like, it looking a little bit different or like there's. Of course there's gonna be some scarring. Of course there's gonna. It's not gonna be invisible again. I don't know if that's true when you do it at 40 or at 30, you know, in your mid to late 30s, but in your 50s. I don't know, like, it hasn't been that way with me. Absolutely doesn't bother me. No one could ever see there's no scarring at all.

B (65:57)

Yeah, yeah. But is there in your mind any possibility that you say, never again today, but then, you know, they. I don't know if you know this, but they announced the premiere date for season two of Beef and you're up there. You're up there. You see yourself on the Netflix.

A (66:18)

Wait, did I tell everyone that I did. It was like. Wait, what was it, like, two weeks? No, no. It was later. It was like, when was it? When did I do that was very soon after.

B (66:32)

No, it wasn't really.

A (66:33)

It was very soon after.

B (66:35)

Oh, thank you for saying that. Timeline. Okay, so it was after.

A (66:39)

Right after. Oh, wow. Because I remember sitting in the makeup chair and I was like, oh, hey, you know, I had this procedure on my eyes. So, you know, you're gonna, you should, you know, because I, there was, you know, I was completely still swollen and.

B (66:57)

I think, I don't know what they.

A (66:58)

Use, but eventually I put on sunglasses.

B (67:02)

The amount of screen grabbing and pausing to take photos, I am going to be doing in every second.

A (67:08)

I'm going to be on for one.

B (67:10)

Second, you guys, and I will have a hundred pictures of that second. Trust me.

A (67:15)

I hope it's with the sunglasses. That would be funny after all that. And I did that just right after the surgery. And that was really funny. But even then, like, like I said, nobody. You couldn't tell.

B (67:27)

Yeah.

A (67:28)

If you didn't know, you know, know me. You know what I mean? Like, that's why I think these kinds of small little procedures, blah, blah, blah, like they're not gonna, it's not gonna really change, you know, it's not gonna change your face. It's not gonna change really what you look like. I, I, you know, everybody's eye shape is different. Everybody's face is different. Everybody's recovery is different. Like, it's such a personal experience. That's why, like I thought, and I said this, I thought going into it, I knew exactly how this was gonna go with small little variations here and there. Mine was, I've never seen anything like it. And so I can't say, I can't speak for anybody else. Like, that's the bottom, that's the bottom line. I'm realizing that now. But I just, this is just how I feel. I feel that these small tweaks are, they're not gonna have that life changing, life affirming effect that you think it is. And so then after that you wonder, well, what is all this for? That's kind of where I am. You know what I mean?

B (68:29)

I'm like, well, it's interesting because I, Okay, I, when you got it done, and I know it's because of TikTok and but it's just like the upper bluff now is so like bandied. It's like Mandy Moore got upper bluff. You know, like, it just is brought up a lot. Like our friend Jackie Johnson got an upper bluff after you. And like, like I mentioned my friend who I Thought got an eye lift? No, she got an upper left. I mean, she was put. She was knocked out. But this is also a friend who needs like, needs to be knocked out for her six month dental checkup. So I'm sure that's connected. But like, it's like so needless to say is that when she got it done, I. It just didn't register. But then I just, just feel like, you know, at the same time when people were doing that buckle fat removal, like the new buccal fat cheek removal thing now was like an upper bluff.

A (69:29)

No, I just, I think people have been doing it all along, but now people are just more open about it. I'm curious, all those people you mentioned, do they look different?

B (69:40)

Yeah. So it's slight, but that different. But like it was that she's an actor and she was looking tired. She was looking tired and it was to open her eyes up and it did what she wanted to do. But she. I mean, sorry. She doesn't look like a different person.

A (69:56)

Exactly. Right.

B (69:57)

Yeah.

A (69:58)

Less tired. Yes.

B (70:00)

All of those things.

A (70:01)

Yeah. So at the end of the day, like, I still, I'm glad I did it. Wish I would have done sooner, but I'm not at all anywhere near would I ever do anything else just because like these small tweaks for what my body does, it's just not worth it, you know, like if my, if I didn't have those problems, like, I think I would be like, oh, yeah, well, it's no big deal. Just do a little this, a little that, you know, kind of maintenance so that I don't look so tired that I could feel less tired. But because of the reaction that I had, I just don't see enough of a benefit where I would ever put myself through that again.

B (70:41)

Yes.

A (70:41)

Yeah.

B (70:42)

And you're speaking of any sort of like incision.

A (70:45)

Correct.

B (70:45)

But. But mommy will. Oh, ajuma will be back in Korea.

A (70:50)

Telescope lasering my body. You know, I'm hoping that in a few years I'll go to Korea and it's non surgical what I want that'll be done with, with lasers or whatever. But again, God, who knows what my body will do to that. Although I just, to me, I kind of feel like this whole obsession with how my face is moving is on one end of the spectrum, and then the. On the other end of the spectrum is like, I'm gonna fight, you know, the grim reaper. I'm gonna lose this fight.

B (71:25)

It's a privilege to age. Yeah.

A (71:27)

Like, we're all. This is it. This is 50. Like, I look great for 50. You look great for 50. We all look great. I mean, the 50.

B (71:34)

50. I'm 45, but thanks.

A (71:35)

But you know what I mean, like 40s, whatever it is, like, we all look great for our age. If you compare it to.

B (71:42)

No, you're hot. Let's start. I'm sorry, I should have start. It's so funny because everyone's like, how, like, people have to. How Suit chin. How such. And. And when I tell you 80% of the time, men and women, gay, straight, doesn't matter. They always like, she's so sexy. She's so hot. It always comes up. Sue.

A (72:02)

I don't know about that.

B (72:03)

No, I'm telling you.

A (72:05)

Yeah, but I mean, I think, though, that's. I. But I think we're all aging because we're so cognizant of that. You know what I mean?

B (72:12)

Better. We are. Everybody is aging.

A (72:15)

Everybody is aging. And am I still like, there's no plastic surgery for great skin.

B (72:23)

Right.

A (72:23)

And so, you know, am I still slathering, seruming you?

B (72:27)

Devoted. Yeah. Devoted. That's your church.

A (72:29)

Yes, yes. And the lasering and all of that. Yeah. Because that's also, like, part of it too. So it's not that I am, you know, vein free, that I've reached some sort of nirvana. No, you stop doing sunblocks. I'm a bleeder. If I wasn't a bleeder, I would be in Korea having my face stapled to the back of my head. Okay? I can't. So thus I must. Serum. Thus I must, you know, Gua sha. Just gua sha ing. 24 7.

B (73:02)

Begrudgingly face yoga ing. Yes.

A (73:05)

Thus, I must holistically do this with exercise and stretching and red light therapy. Yeah. And red light therapy and sauna. Yes. Is it a 247 job? Does it still consume my every waking hour? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I've just taken surgery off of it. It's just one. One of the many pillars.

B (73:25)

What a relief in some ways to be able to cross that off your list.

A (73:29)

I felt relief. I felt relief as the knife hit my lid. I said, huh? To let go of this.

B (73:35)

It's beautiful.

A (73:36)

Yeah.

B (73:37)

What a journey that is. And was a very special episode of Add to Cart. At the end of the day, we hope you enjoy us.

A (73:46)

And a lot of you won't after this. I do have to say, listening back, I was like, can I just AI version, voice myself in? I am so annoying and so disgusting, slurping my way through surgery like, ugh.

B (74:02)

Anyway, it's so funny.

A (74:05)

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B (74:29)

Let's not do that, guys. I've seen them. Just trust us, okay? No, no, no, we don't.

A (74:35)

You're right. Protect the lambs. Protect the lambs.

B (74:38)

No, I just. For everybody involved, let's just block box. Let's not do that.

A (74:43)

Got it, got it, got it, got it.

B (74:46)

It's okay. We. Yeah. Bye.

A (74:55)

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