The Trump administration says we're being poisoned by our food system. HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. talks about ultra-processed foods, pesticides, and corporate capture of our health agencies. It's rhetoric that in many ways sounds like it came straight from the progressive food movement.

Marion Nestle helped build that movement — and so far she's not impressed.

An emerita professor at New York University, Nestle is 89, has written 17 books about food policy, founded the field of food politics, and writes the must-read blog foodpolitics.com.

She's earned the right to be blunt. And in this conversation, she is.

Highlights:

– Marion's career journey and how food politics became a field of study

– How to identify ultra-processed foods

– Why it took so long for UPFs to become part of the conversation

– The gap between MAHA rhetoric and policy reality

– GLP-1 drugs as an existential threat to the food industry

– The dietary guidelines' inherent conflicts (promoting agriculture vs. telling people to eat less)

– School food funding and why every school should have a garden

– What Marion would actually do if she were in charge of food policy

Editorial note: We recorded this conversation before the Trump administration released the Dietary Guidelines for Americans 2025-2030.

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