Host Steve Cus welcomes Lee C. Camp—professor, podcaster, and author—for a rich conversation about anxiety, systems theory, and human flourishing. Lee shares his personal journey with anxiety and depression, and how discovering differentiation through therapy transformed his relationships and emotional health. They explore legalism within the Churches of Christ tradition and its lasting emotional impact. The discussion also touches on societal reactivity, the purpose behind Lee's podcast No Small Endeavor, and the importance of creating hospitable spaces for honest dialogue. Lee closes with reflections on gliding, music, and simple morning rituals as grounding practices.

Episode Resources:

Malcolm Gladwell’s The Alabama Murders: Part 1: The True Church
Steve Cuss’ Managing Leadership Anxiety
David Schnarch’s Passionate Marriage
David McCullough’s The Wright Brothers
Books by Parker J. Palmer
Books by Thomas Merton
Murray Bowen’s family systems theory
More about Differentiation of self

Scripture Referenced:

Mark 12:30–31 (ESV)

More From Lee C. Camp:

Lee C. Camp’s Scandalous Witness: A Little Political Manifesto for Christians
Books by Lee C. Camp
Listen to No Small Endeavor and The Subtext
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