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Biohacking Beauty: The Anti-Aging Skincare Podcast
Ashley Black: The Fascia Fix That Reverses Skin Aging and Pain
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Amitai Eshel
Foreign welcome to Biohacking Beauty, the podcast where we simplify the science of youthful aging and help you take control of your skin from the inside out and from the outside in. I'm your host, Amitai Eshel, CEO of Young Goose your go to Biohacking Longevity skincare company. Today we're diving into a topic that's been in hiding in plain sight when it comes to aging, skin health and even chronic pain. We're joined by Ashley Black, award winning entrepreneur, two time best selling author and the creator of the revolutionary fascia blaster. After overcoming childhood arthritis and a near death experience, Ashley dedicated her life to helping millions transform their bodies through fascia regeneration and in doing so, discovered some powerful connections to longevity and even skin rejuvenation. In this episode, you learn what fascia really is and why it's key to both pain relief and skin health. You'll learn how you can regenerate fascia and restore it to its native state at any age, and why stimulating fascia boosts collagen, remodeling increases capillary blood flow and even triggers stem cell release in the skin. If you're looking for a science backed way to take your skincare to the next level and want to understand the structural tissue behind smoother skin and reduced cellulite, this is the episode you don't want to miss. And if you like what you're hearing here and you want to give Yungo's products a shot, make sure to visit young goose.com and use code podcast10 for 10% off. Let's jump in. All right, Ashley, welcome to the Biohacking Beauty podcast.
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Ashley Black
Thank you so much. I'm so excited to be here.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah, I'm excited for people to hear our conversations, you know, on air.
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Ashley Black
We've had wonderful conversations.
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Amitai Eshel
I know. So I know. And I can't wait for us to get to some of the deeper things that we normally talk about. But I want to, starting very simply. Okay, let's talk about what is fascia and why do so few people understand, understand its role in the body?
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Ashley Black
Well, I can give you the very short answer. So what it is, it's basically everything that a cell is not. So I always describe it. Like when we picture the human body and picture the fascia, everyone talks about it being sheets of, you know, collagen or, you know, it surrounds the cells. But I just picture like the entire human body as if it were jello. And then you stick your brains, all the cells, the blood, everything in this jello and they all sort of Blend together. That is my more sort of straightforward understanding of what it is physically in the body. Yeah, but the interesting part is what, what it does in the body. And then as far as, why don't people know about it? I mean, it's been suppressed. It's very powerful, this system of the body. I consider it a spiritual system of the body, almost an antenna in the body to God or the matrix, whatever you believe, the quantum universe. But it is the only thing in our body that is fractal and functions in a quantum way. Our brain doesn't do that, our organs don't do that. So, you know, you're picturing this sort of liquid, viscous, crystal lined, fractal, quantum thing we have going on in our body. Of course, no one wants you to know how to tap into the power of that.
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Amitai Eshel
And I think also, you know, giving people the benefit of the doubt, it's like very. It's so significantly less structured, no pun intended and rigid than talking about an acute injury or anything like that. It is so much more of a log of your body's journey rather than a confined thing that you can isolate and address on its own, et cetera.
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Ashley Black
Right. I mean, I think so much happened if we just even think about the medical community. And I'm going to throw beauty into that. You know, basically at the turn of the century, two centuries ago, we stopped looking at things like energy and sound and other modalities like that. And we moved into, you know, taking doctors and giving them specialties and kind of going in the direction of pills and surgery. But even that very first class, like, I love talking to medical doctors about this. They're like, in order for people to really understand fascia, we have to change the first class that everyone takes, which is anatomy and physiology. Because with anatomy, we have a very incomplete picture of what anatomy is. And physiology. I mean, fascia is so much a part of movement and movement of the whole. Right. But the understanding of fascia in terms of the anatomy. I know for me, the first time I went to a dissection class and they, you know, cut the body open. This is almost 25 years ago. They're like, we're just going to remove the fascia. It was the first time I had heard the word. And I remember, like, wtf? You're going to remove the fascia? That's the whole body. And so I just intuitively knew, like, there's no way this is hacking material, you know, and it started a fascination for me for really learning the anatomy. And over the 25 years. You know, what I really believe is that it is. It's a. It's an as above, so below. You know how they talk about how the universe is in us? I believe that the fascia is where that is housed in the human body and even down to the mitochondria, because I'm going to go down to the plank, the quirk. Like, let's keep going. Yeah. But mitochondria is flying, floating in a sea of fascia. And in anatomy, when we didn't know what something was, we just called it matter. So everything that's dark matter, white matter, arachnoid matter, all of our meninges that are just some kind of matter, this is where we went and missed it. Right. And you also can't study fascia just in an ankle, you know, like, we've done ultrasounds where we can say, oh, look, we regenerated this soft tissue, which is another code word for fascia. But in isolation, you're not really getting the whole picture because it's a. Again, it's a. It's functions in a quantum way. We're talking more quantum light energy, you know, and our, our medical system just doesn't even. We're. We're barely scratching the surface right now.
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Amitai Eshel
I, I agree, I agree with, with the premise. And I would even add that, you know, fascia, at the end of the day, you know, if someone wanted to really boil it down, it is the bridge for relationships in the body. Like, I think we have a lot of those. Like, you know, temperature is a bridge for relationships in the body. Maybe different hormones, you know, your DNA, probably. Someone would argue it's a bridge for different relationships.
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Ashley Black
Yeah, chemical reactions.
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Amitai Eshel
Exactly.
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Ashley Black
Neurons communicating. Yeah, they all do this through the fascia. It's almost like, if you think about it, like, communication, you know, there's cars and there's the freeways, you know, and so everybody's like, oh, the cars, the cars. Oh, this synapses or chemical reaction. Oh, the mitochondria, you know, Krebs cycle, whatever. But what about. What about the freeway? If the freeways blocks, we're not going to.
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Amitai Eshel
I would even call it the ways, you know, of the body. Now, you have other applications, but how would you explain someone that has never heard of the Internet? How would you explain to them the relationship between cars relaying information to one another and drivers then making decisions on where to go or, you know, that system recommending where you should go? So that's a very difficult relationship.
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Ashley Black
Yeah, believe you me. I mean, I talk about it every day on my social channels and I've been on very big stages in the medical community. And even when people have a very good core understanding, it's just such a big concept. And I always say the highest form of learning is unlearning. And that's what we're asking people to do, is unlearn, flip it on its head and relearn. So I think that's a little bit of like, you know, where people just kind of get stunted. But one thing I think that always really gets people to go, whoa, this is huge, is when we are anesthetized, our fascia literally goes from being fractal, it looks like a honeycomb, like in vivo. And then when we're anesthetized, it goes flat and looks like cracks, you know. So the people in the fascia world are really getting re energized and excited about the old studies about consciousness. And I really feel like our spiritual, our orthopedic, even our plastic surgeon, our beauty, for sure, like all of these are starting to converge and go, what about that fascia? Like, how can we, how can we harness the, this power for our specialty? And I'm, I'm here for it.
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Amitai Eshel
I, I, I love it. So you mentioned, you know, you mentioned different forms and you mentioned beauty. Can you, can you explain how fascia connects directly to skin structure and, and appearance?
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Ashley Black
Well, I mean, I think even I had an understanding that fascia was surrounding the cells of the skin all, literally all the way from the surface. Like we're looking at some fascia right now. But my new research has led me to where it's not just around the cells, but it's actually inside the cells, you know, so when we think about how does it connect, it connects to everything. It's one three dimensional web, literally from the surface of the skin all the way down to the bone. And we call it all kinds of different things, but you can just pull up a picture of histology of skin. And I train estheticians at my academy and they're just like, whoa, we've never even heard this. So even in the skin, when we talk about the surface of the skin all around and in those cells down to the basement membrane where then we start to really meet. I'm just going to call it fascia rama, you know, and then we start getting into the myofascial tissue and, you know, it's so interconnected with our blood system, you know, basically every single thing that feeds the skin in any type of way. And supports the skin in any type of way is intricately linked to the fascia. If it's not totally the fascia. It's dramatic for beauty.
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Amitai Eshel
I agree. There is a new study now showing that fat tissue under the skin contributes stem cells and exosomes obviously and growth factors to the skin and that.
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Ashley Black
Oh, I want to get into that.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah. And the correspondence is, is, is done through, through, you know, through the fascia or through, you know, interstitial tissue. But I, I just want to remark that's why we, I, you know, off air we mentioned a lot of kind of like that there are detractors, there are people who are, you know, who they, they have, you know, they have a, in my eyes like a wrong view of the world, of the beauty, medical world, whatever. And we have gotten a lot of people that are upset that we really try to persuade people not to do wave based contraction devices like Morpheus 8, radio frequency microneedling or high frequency ultrasound like Ulthera or softwave. And a lot of the language that we use is that you are, you know, whether you admit it or not, what you are trying to do is contraction of the fascia, but, but within that you are harming the fascia in a very, in a. Not that it's irreversible. I would love to talk about like how we reverse damage, but in a way where it makes it, you know, so much harder for your body to function and to heal later on.
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Ashley Black
Well, I think you just have to know what you're messing with here.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah.
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Ashley Black
You know, at the end of the day there's a really interesting way. It'll take me about a minute to say it all, but what I believe, and I don't have any proof of this. Okay. By the way, I do have a lot of science based, you know, evidence for things. But what I think with fascia, you know, it is literally the first cells of life. When the fascia of the sperm meets the, the fascia of the egg, boom. We have light. Right. So for me it's extremely primordial. And then we grow our fascia first and then our cells and everything come in it. So if we can shift our view like that. So imagine we're growing our fascia and we also regrow it. You know, just like every other system of the body, we get new fascia. You know, no one really knows the timeline. I'm going to say 90 days because that's what I saw in my study. But, but I think of it like, have you ever seen, you know, A spider innately knows how to grow a perfect web. Okay. Give that spider caffeine, you know, it's all over the place, you know, cut it and it has a way of mending the web around it. So I think that the way that we grow and regrow our fascia as a total body, just like the spider's web is being interfered with all types of things, including what you just mentioned or, you know, sucking up dust or eating processed foods or, you know, traumatic thoughts. Remember, fascia is the number one proprioceptive reactionary system of the body. So it's reacting to everything inside the body and outside the body.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah.
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Ashley Black
So I just look at it like we are spiders on cocaine and we are growing some crazy web on our inside and these things that we do that are unnatural have an effect on it. And remember, like, if you're, even if you're doing it on a face, it's quantum, it's sending the message to the whole body, you know, So I wouldn't go as far, me personally to say it's damaging because I haven't like seen that in an ultrasound or something. But it is definitely something that we should be saying, let's be careful while we're, you know, I'll send you some stuff.
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Amitai Eshel
Basically, I'll send you some stuff afterwards. You're going to be, oh, you have.
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Ashley Black
Okay, well then let me tell you, I am the quickest person to change my mind. Show, show me the evidence.
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Amitai Eshel
Cool. So what's interesting is that you're talking at a very highly technical level, but it's very interesting and like, knowing your personal health journey, it's very interesting. You know, especially overcoming, you know, childhood arthritis and near death experience. It's very interesting how that, that led you to discovering the fa.
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Ashley Black
So maybe I'm an engineer by trade. I, this was never anything that I intended to do, but when you put the little pieces of my life story together, it's like, oh, well, she's the perfect person.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah.
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Ashley Black
It's almost like God used me as a human pin cushion and like, okay, go figure this out. And I have, I've really devoted my entire career to it. And even when there's no camera on, there's nothing being developed. It's not work hours. Guess what I'm doing? I'm talking to my neighbors about it. We're in the sauna using fashion tools. You know, it's, it is 100% my life, my essence, my mission. And it's, it's beautiful to watch because I am not close Minded. And, you know, my understanding of it is continually evolving. And I'd say that we're even at my level of knowledge, we are scratching the surface. Just scratching the surface.
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Amitai Eshel
It's beautiful. So maybe walk. Walk me a little bit through your journey. How did you end up here?
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Ashley Black
So it really did start with being a child of juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. That is what they said I had. I don't even know if I believe that anymore. But, you know, we. You're a child, you just do what your parents tell you. So, yeah, I did everything from the anti inflammatories at that time. I'm 53. So, you know, we had a very rudimentary understanding of it. So I had gold shots, which I still have gold in my body on an X ray. It looks like my skeletons wearing jewelry, you know. So I think that for me, I was just a kid that wanted to be a competitive gymnast. And I didn't like going to the doctor. I didn't like having my blood drawn or getting shots or all of those things. So I just took it upon myself as a young child to start trying other things. And for me, I've. Even at five years old, I was like, I'm going to the Olympics. And I really resonated with athletes. So my parents let me get the Sports Illustrated magazine. And so whatever they did, I did. They did cold plunge, I did cold plunge, they did certain kind of stretching, eating raw eggs. But what it started to put together for me as a very young child was that like, yes, your food is important. Like before a workout, after a workout, how we recover. And I started doing food charting. So I learned that, you know, at an age where, first of all, no one would have thought about doing that. We were, you know, having snack wells. That was the big thing, you know. So we're talking about the 70s. So food charting and gluten and, you know, the things that we are understanding now about the microbiome, they just weren't. That just wasn't public knowledge. But it really did help me. All I cared about was, am I going to have an arthritic flare up at the gymnastics meet on Saturday? So I started charting food, you know, leading up to that. And definitely you see certain things that can throw you into a episode. You know, maybe at the end of the day, I just had intolerance to fake food. Imagine that. And I had hip dysplasia when I was born. And they put me in double diapers, so, oh, no, I probably had a dislocated Hip my whole childhood. So was it arthritis? We don't. I have no idea. But it definitely led to a. Whatever the doctors are telling me, I don't fully buy into it. And I was able, by the time I was about 15, not have symptoms anymore. And to be able to. When I would feel it coming on, the inflammation or, like, my hip wouldn't want to be in socket, like, I. I had my whole little routine to. To get out of having symptoms. And so I think when that is your core belief system, you just carry that into adulthood. And so when I get to college, you know, I'm a gymnast. I'm on my dance team at, you know, big school, Auburn University. And, you know, that was my life. And I worked as a personal trainer because I had learned as a child that, like, exercise is part of the medicine and stretching and all these things that, like, you know, now are very commonplace. And I was really lucky that at that time, there's a man named Bill Kazmaier who invented Strongman. And so what we were doing, and we were just interested in how do we create this, like, superhuman strength, but what we were actually doing was learning how to leverage fascia. So I had to kind of go back and pull that from my story, like. Oh. Like, I was actually working with this a really, really long time ago when I. In college.
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Amitai Eshel
For those who don't know, he's the basically, like the Michael Jordan of strong people. Basically. Bill K. Yeah, Right.
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Ashley Black
Flipping tires, pulling trains, like he. I'm pretty sure he invented the sport. So how crazy is that, you know, that I would just happen to be in Auburn, Alabama, at the time of, you know, one of.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Ashley Black
Coolest sports that's ever. So. And then from there, I really went and just became a mom and got married. And so now we're kind of up into my late 20s, and this is really when everything changed in my life. And when I had my daughter, she's 26, just to kind of give us a timeframe here, I got some kind of crazy infection, and it was inside the bone marrow, and it made. First of all, it ate my bones from the inside out. And then it began to seep and make me septic. And for people who don't know, once you are septic, you're pretty much screwed. And I stroked out and. And died. And I had a full nde. That was beautiful. I can tell everyone it's amazing when we die, but that's when I was really given a mission and a purpose. I was asked, did I Want to cross over. And in that moment, you're in such bliss.
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Amitai Eshel
No, no, no.
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Ashley Black
Did you lose that sentence?
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Amitai Eshel
I heard it. It's incredible. It's incredible that you are in bliss and you're like, now I'm gonna go back, I have some unfinished business.
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Ashley Black
No, imagine you have two children. But I have to tell you, there's some. When we exit our body and we become a pure soul, we're just a soul reuniting with source and others and the collective whatever, you know, religious you want to put around that, it is, it's, it's so intoxicating that, you know, you really do. You're ready to leave, leave that behind. And so, you know, I'll tell it in a funny way, you know, they were basically like, so you ready to come in here? And I'm like, yeah, let's get this popping. And they were like, no, that's not happening. Psych. Yeah. And so I was. What I heard when I. The actual words that I heard was that it wasn't my time and that I needed to go back because I had something very important to do and that I would be given the knowledge when the time was right. First thing I said to my father when I came out of the coma was, you're not going to believe this. Wow, Jesus told me this. X, Y and Z. So, you know, obviously that becomes something life changing and. And then you. I don't know, I think ever since then, and I think most people who've had NDEs will tell you this, you're just so much more intuitive. You know, like you, you get the little hairs on the back and when you know you're on the right path, you just feel it. And that's very hard to describe to someone that's not, you know. Yeah, super intuitive. But there's been several times throughout my life since then, one of which was that dissection. I was like, oh, this is it. This is how I'm going to heal myself. Because not only did I stroke out and die, I lost like 80% of the density of my femur. I have a prosthetic, custom pelvis and hip replacement. You know, definitely not something that matches with my lifestyle now of being a 53 year old surfer, you know, doing one of the hardest sports on the planet, but I have, I've had downloads throughout the years that have kind of helped me along the way. And I do feel like that my career has been somewhat cloaked, you know, in some protection. And I think that, you know, whether I had a company or not is irrelevant. I'm going to get this message out there, and I'm going to keep learning and keep studying and keep talking.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah. And then when was it that you had a limitation in the. Like, how did you come out and understand that that the fascia is. Is really what. What you want to focus on?
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Ashley Black
So coming out and being crippled. And I. You know, my whole body was sort of impacted on this right side. So imagine a fractured femur up in a pelvis, up in the ribs. So the limp itself was very painful. And so I was studying, like, how to. In my mind, I was like, how do I strengthen the hip? You know, I didn't. And stretch it. I didn't really understand anything beyond that. And then after I took that dissection course, and I was taking it specifically to be like, I want to physically see what is here. And I was going to use my little engineering brain to try to figure out some way to fix myself. And one of the things that they were talking about in the dissection course is that fascia is sticky. It's the only sticky thing. And I'm like, that's it. I'm stuck. I'm. I'm stuck in this position. So that's when I started saying, well, how. How do you get unstuck? And that's when I began to use my hands, kitchen tools, anyone that would stand on me, stretch me, poke me, you know, and I started to understand. From there, I started. Went to China. I started to learn about meridians, which is the same thing as fascial lines. And I kind of put together that, you know, if I work on my foot and my opposite shoulder, through these lines, I can actually unstuck that right side. And that's exactly what happened. And then I already knew how to strengthen it. So here I am being given a wheelchair and a life of pain management, you know, and a year later, I'm as active as I had ever been, you know, so it was definitely one of those things where people were like, whoa.
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Amitai Eshel
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Amitai Eshel
So how, how do you, from having like many, many, many things done to you, you know, poke me, stretch me, et cetera, how do you come out on the other side and say, hey, you know, something like the fascia blaster is the, is the product that I need, is the tool that I need.
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Ashley Black
Oh, wow, that was such a long journey. I'll condense it. You know, like I said, I really did use like tools that I built in my garage, you know, kitchen tools, things that had grippers, you know, but what I had learned was how to see the body three dimensional. So I went to a chiropractor in my town who was trying to help me, and here I come bebopping in a few months later. And he's like, what the hell? And I was like, well, I'll show you what I did. So I did it to him and he was like, you, you have to do this to my patients. And he immediately gave me Olympic track athletes because he was already in that field and injured Olympic track athletes were getting their best scores.
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Amitai Eshel
Wow.
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Ashley Black
Like, within weeks. And that's when we were like, wow, we're really doing something here, you know, and it took a while. I write, I wrote about it in my life story, in my book that, like, of course you feel like you have imposter syndrome. I went from being crippled to sort of inventing this. I'm not even going to call it a methodology. It's just an understanding of the body to where to go to fix it or unstuck, unstick it. And you know, within two years, I've got some of the most famous professional athletes flying in from all over the country to come and see me. And of course I'm like, don't you have like, you know, a team doctor trainer? Like, you know. But the reality was, is that this was just my place in the universe. And so I think when we finally step into our essence and align with our true self, that's when things really happen. And so that's how the career took off. It took off in a clinical situation with professional athletes. But we were finding that the knuckles, all these different pulling methods, drumsticks, things like that, that is what we were using to open the fascia. And you can imagine I'm like a 5 foot, 240 pound girl. And for whatever reason, I had a bunch of small girls who I had trained and we're treating the NFL. So we were like, this is exhausting. We really have got to find a way to either create a tool or find a tool that helps us leverage so that we can sort of open the fascia in a quicker way so that then we can get into the structures and the mobilizations and all the really cool stuff that we were doing. And of course have had the. Luckily there wasn't a tool or I would have never invented it. So I was really trying to simulate knuckles and leverage. And a guy who, he had had all of his lymph nodes removed from stage four cancer. And, and we were helping him and he did manufacturing and he's like, I'd love to help you create something. Like, I'd love to have it. And so we created the first one and it worked mind blowingly better than we could have ever imagined. Mind blowingly better than we could have ever imagined.
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Amitai Eshel
So that is. That's crazy.
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Ashley Black
Not a crazy story. It's a fun story.
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Amitai Eshel
So is that how you would explain, like, let's say someone could not, you know, you won't be able to show them device like a fascia blaster. Is that how you would explain it? It's knuckles and leverage.
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Ashley Black
Yes. So here is a fascia blaster, just in case your audience has never seen it. Okay. So we invented it thinking, oh, it's knuckles, you know, but now after millions of dollars of research, I think the thing that we want to look to in science to say, I mean, at the end of the day, it's not just like breaking up an adhesion or whatever. What we saw is that just like the spider web, that fascia can completely remodel. Okay, so this means you go from shit fascia, being honest to baby fascia using this tool. So then the question becomes, okay, why? So there's a couple of things. Number one, there's really no other device that has the prongs that go down in. You know, there's tiger tails and, you know, wood therapy and any. But basically anything that rolls, it does not penetrate down into the fibers of the muscle tissues. And what we already know about fascia is that it surrounds every single muscle fiber. And it looks almost like a fiber optic cable because it functions like a fiber optic cable. So when you have these various little prongs, you know, that can actually go down into the tissue, then you're exciting, you know, you're exciting the fascia in its depths. Rather than mashing on it, you're, like, literally scrubbing it.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah.
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Ashley Black
And then the second piece. And I think anyone out there who does therapy or beauty or any type of tool or massage, what we have to. This is new research that came out in 2018, is that we used to think that the matrix, the fascial matrix, was produced and regenerated through fibroblasts. But in 2018, Dr. Stucco came out and said, hey, guess what, everybody? The fibroblast is what creates. I'm just going to call it more like the matter. Okay. So, like, that's your collagen. That's your ground substance. Right. Your gas. But the fascicite, and they invented a new name for a new cell. It's what produces hyaluronic acid.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah.
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Ashley Black
So what's so important about these two is if you need both to actually regenerate this matrix, they are regenerated in different ways. Okay. So we have this thing over here, the fibroblast, that responds to pressure, and it responds to stretch. And then, ooh, this really new, exciting cell. It responds to shear. So if you're not doing all three. And so when I started looking at my tool, I'm like, it does all of that. It presses in. So that's your pressure. When you slide it this way, it pulls, you know, from a fixed point, and you get the stretch. And then with the claws going in between those fibers, guess what you're getting? Shear.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah.
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Ashley Black
So I did not design it that way. But that is my very best guess at why this has so much more of a dramatic result than, say, a gua sha or massage or a roller or something. Because we're actually hitting on those things. So.
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Amitai Eshel
And. And that, of course, relates to the beautiful result you get on people's skin or. Or that express it in people's skin. Because we are kind of hitting all the targets of what. What skin should be doing or skin, and obviously the tissue underneath should be doing.
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Ashley Black
I mean, I think of it so simply as, like, if this is the light and energy system of the body, we just need to palpate it the right way, and then it does its thing. It makes everything else better, you know? But what I find when I go to the press, particularly beauty, you know, every beauty editor on the planet will be like, yeah, it's great. It produces collagen. Okay. Do we all know what that actually means?
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah.
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Ashley Black
Right. Producing collagen means that you're speeding up the time of the fascia remodeling. Right. Because fascia is collagen. Yeah.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah.
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Ashley Black
It's over 90% collagen. I don't actually think that we know, because you can't. It's constantly moving, so we can't really, you know, nail it down and be like, it's exactly this. But when people talk about collagen, they are talking about the fascia. And so when we have collagen production, we're talking about being able to regenerate it quicker. And that literally is the difference between older skin and youthful skin. And we see this backed up with stem cells and blood and everything else. I mean, we could dive into any of that dorky stuff that you want.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah, actually, that was my next question. But you mentioned, you know, speeding up the generation or regeneration of collagen. But I think really, really important. It's really, really important to stop and understand the difference between, you know, aged collagen. Because our problem as we grow older isn't only necessarily the inability to generate enough collagen. It is the inability to generate collagen and mobility. The collagen needs to be mobile. So, you know, going back to devices that. That we kind of recommend not doing or. Or really any. Any experience of an injury like you had, it wasn't the inability to create collagen per se. It is. The collagen that was created was not. It was sticky. It was not mobile. And that is really at the root of aging.
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Ashley Black
Yep. It's so crazy. I mean, wow. I have so many things that I want to say. So, yes, you. What you said was so beautiful about fascia, how it's a scorecard. Right. So it really is important. I mean, the minute that we scar down or we start creating thicker or drier fascia. And again going back to what makes it glide is the hyaluronic acid. So like that, that shearing of the tissue is super important. I don't think anybody's really jumped on that besides me yet.
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Amitai Eshel
So I did tell you, I did tell you about this one article that is very esoteric that looked at the coating of elastin fibers.
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Ashley Black
Interesting.
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Amitai Eshel
And that coding as we again, if we, if it's in a youthful state, it provides gliding. It's also the, the, it is, it is basically water loving. Okay. Hydrophobic, hydrophilic. And when we get older, injury happens, rigidity happens, immobility happens. The, it actually the tips of that material shift the. And it becomes water hating or water fearing, hydrophobic.
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Ashley Black
That's right.
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Amitai Eshel
And that creates actually that stickiness that we, that we alluded to before. And again, like there's another way of looking at it which is reforming that function to a, to a gliding rather than sticky function.
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Ashley Black
Absolutely. It's that. And then the other thing that I have think is so interesting and I had to sort of weave the studies together, but you know, I bet a lot of your viewers are in perimenopause or menopause or postmenopausal. So we now know that. So fascia is made of different types of collagen. Right. Like it's this kind of the stiffer to the softer to make it really simple. And guess what happens when we're low estrogen, Whether we're, it's our cycle or you know, old like me, you can't.
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Amitai Eshel
Make the softer one.
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Ashley Black
We produce stiffer collagen. So we're, we're getting, we're getting it from every single angle that we're producing this stiffer, you know, collagen. We're having water, you know, repellent. So I, I mean, all I can say is for myself, and I do use my tools with those three mechanisms on my face, my neck, my whole body. And I never even knew it had anything to do with the face until about seven years ago or eight years ago when, when people just started taking my tools to their face, I was like, what are you doing? But yeah, looking at my photographs, I am literally turning back the hands of time. And back then I was doing Botox and filler and you know, all the stuff that people in LA do. And yeah, I just think it's crazy because when we think about like, how do we have amazing skin? Like what would be your top things you would say? Like if we want Good skin. We need blip, blip, blip.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah, you probably sleep, movement and nutrition.
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Ashley Black
I'm so on board with that. Yeah, I'm so on board that. Because sleep. If we think of fascia, I mean fascia relates to all of that. Like it's the reactionary system. So if we are dog tired, what do you think the fascia is going to do? Yeah, it's going to be like, oh, let me protect, you know, if we eat crappy food, just like the spider on caffeine, you know.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah.
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Ashley Black
So I just think they're all intricately linked and I would add blood flow to that skin and it's a movement part.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah, I agree.
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Ashley Black
Yeah, that is the movement part. Because that's the other thing. When we talk about shearing and I think this is why we have so many fascia movement therapists. They do get shearing. You do get sharing when you, when you are doing good full body movement, breath work, you know, all of these things. But I think one thing I like to say about the actual blood, you know, because we say that it feeds the cells, it brings oxygen to the cells, elastin, all this. But we have multi tril, what, 34B trillion cells. How many capillaries do we have? Yeah, less than a billion. So how does that math work? How does capillaries feed trillions of cells when there's only billions? Right. It's because the pump for the body is this massive jello sponge that sucks that blood up, sifts it and puts it right back in. So if you have, you know, traffic on the highway, so to speak, or the scar tissue that you were talking about, or the immobility, guess what? That sponge is not going to feed those cells. You know, and we've seen this on the reverse side where people have thicker fascia. Cancer grows.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah.
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Ashley Black
So I think we can you know, kind of make a little intellectual leap over here that of course it's little, it's micro deaths, you know, and, and we can't separate the blood in the fashion they are.
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Amitai Eshel
You're raising too many good points. So I will say just before I, because I do want to talk about blood flow a little bit more in stem cells before we move on. But I would say that as an anecdote, longevity science, the way that people view it right now, and obviously it seems like it's been here forever because it's maybe 20, 30 year old robustly, that's when research has been going on. But really it started as anecdotes from, from cancer Research from the oncological studies, anything from our hallmarks of aging to, you know, whatever you want to think of as far as like how we preserve longevity or youthful function actually started by how do we deal with cancer or how do we stave off cancer, how do we deal with cancer, how do we make sure cancer doesn't come back, et cetera. So I agree with you, but I would want to ask you, how does talking about like the skin blood flow, how does that relate to promoting more blood coming into the skin as far as like fascia is concerned? And then how does it relate to promoting the proliferation of stem cells to where we need them for repair, for example, the skin.
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Ashley Black
I love this question. Thank you so much for asking it. So I think when we think, think about blood, you know, where does blood come from? It comes from deep inside the body up to the skin. Right? Hopefully.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah.
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Ashley Black
And there was some great research that came out of actually Shiseido. Give them some props. Yeah, they have some 40 imaging now. And I can tell you if you look at a 20 year old skin and a 50 year old skin, the blood, the total difference is that, so you have all these fascial layers, fat layers, all this coming up to the skin. A 20 year old, like a champion, those capillaries are right there at the surface. Right. Look at a 50 year old, they're all not reaching. The skin receded. Okay. So for me, when we talk about fascia, what could potentially block the capillaries and their growth? The fascia, it's the only thing that could really block them. You know, so even in the design of my face tools, I use the tools first that, that really get the blood flowing at a deeper level. And then we end up with like a silicone scrubber to try to pull the blood like you want to be red af. Right. My theory is that we're able to get those capillaries back up to the skin.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah, I think, you know, mechanical stimulation is definitely, you know, which is, which is what you're doing. You're just able to do it at many levels is definitely the way that our body is, has, has been hardwired to, to that. That is the stimulation that your body is hardwired to respond to. So again, going to, you know, kind of novel science, trying to, you know, poke things and create, you know, to bypass certain levels of the body and only like target a specific tissue.
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Ashley Black
Right.
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Amitai Eshel
Doesn't that. The reason that works, the reason you're going two steps forward, one step back, is because that's not what you're evolved to deal with to begin with. Whereas mechanical pressure, you know, bumps and bruises and things like that, and obviously like mimicking them, not actually having them, is the way that our body responds to mechanical stress stimuli. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's.
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Ashley Black
No. And I would even go further. I don't know. You're. You look at research like I do. We're complete nerds. But if you really look at. I feel like this came out of Asia, won a congress award. But basically they started saying that, you know, around the sebaceous gland. Right. So, like where our hair inserts, by the way, into a big old sea of fascia, that there are stem cell reservoirs where our stem cells sort of hang out by the hair.
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Amitai Eshel
Yes, yes.
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Ashley Black
But when you apply mechanical pressure, guess what happens? They release and they say the skin, but I would argue they release into the fascia and then, you know, then what happens? The reservoirs fill back up. The reservoirs fill back up. You know, we don't have the technology to study that yet, but I would be willing to, I don't know, I'd throw some money down to say that as those stem cells regenerate, if they're regenerating quicker, that those stem cells are going to behave younger and younger.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah.
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Ashley Black
So I just think it's so interesting because it's not like this concept is new. You know, people are using that plasma pen and poking through several layers of fascia. They'll even tell you we want to get to the deep fascial planes and then pouring exosomes and things into them. I tried that when we were at the biohacking conference. I don't know if it did anything. But what I would argue is that you can do, you could do that with the fascia blaster or some kind of similar tool. I just, I don't understand why face tools haven't come further. You know, like, everybody is doing gua sha, but that is only, you know, that's, that's moving lymph, and maybe that first layer of fascia is getting a stretch or something like that. But we're not getting into the layers where it's, it matters.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah. I think, I think maybe, you know, facial yoga and kind of pinching and moving or even gua sha might be, you know, beneficial to a certain level. But I, but I agree that we're just moving away from this as a, as a focus of, of. Of regenerative medicine or we're trying to refine some signals or whatever. And really we're not Looking at kind of holistic tools at all.
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Ashley Black
I mean, I feel like at the end of the day, that's probably because, you know, people normally want to invent things to monetize, you know, and if you look at, you know, my tools for, you know, the face tools are like $60 or something like that. And I have patents on the way that they're shaped. You know, I can understand why people would go in this direction, you know, But I do, I do feel like our body. I do feel like we're supposed to live to be 230 years old, like the people in the Bible, you know, I personally move to a blue zone, which is where people live. Health fleet over 100. I live here in Costa Rica, you know, and I can tell you these people are not at the Medispa doing plasma pens. You know, these are the people who don't have windows on their doors and they have no stress. They sleep, they have their families around them, they socialize all day long, they eat out of their garden, they live on the beach, you know, and I just feel like we should be. Be going in that direction when we look towards longevity. And also even our skin do you know, the. I went way up on the mountain and these guys had like deer lard all over their face like grown men. And I was like, okay. You know, I just feel like, you know, at the end of the day, I'm that person. I feel like God put it all here for us, and we just have to put our body in the best possible environment to let it do its thing. And modern life is terrible. It's terrible for our skin, it's terrible for our joints. It's terrible for everything. You know, there are some amazing advancements. Like, I'm so grateful for my pelvis that I wouldn't have had, you know, 200 years ago. But these basic things, like you said, like sleep, de stressing, hydrated, being mineralized, you know, and to me, the fascia blaster is just an extension of massage. It's just a more refined, natural massage.
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Amitai Eshel
Let me push back on that because. Because I think it's. It is definitely an extension of massage. But the thing is how often you can do it because. Because, you know, an extension of a massage would. Would mean that you are, you. You might conform to the instances where, like their cadence that normally people get massages at. Unless you are like some Japanese overlord.
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Ashley Black
In the Bob Hope and you get a massager.
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Amitai Eshel
But to connect to what you said before about mechanical pressure kind of promoting anything from blood Flow to stem cell proliferation. Actually, most studies have been done on, on, on even on bone tissue, showing that mechanical pressure improves anything from like, obviously, like, improved bone health to releasing of stem cells not only outward but also inward. And there is something to say there about beauty as. And longevity of skin and facial appearance as time goes on, because the thinning of the bone is a major factor in that. So I think we're taking care now.
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Ashley Black
We are like, getting into my passions. Obviously, I have much less bone density because I lost it. We can regrow it. And what I found in my study, and I'm happy to give you the. Some B roll that you can insert in there, is that we saw like tissue. It's not just like, oh, it's thick or scarred. It's that it's unorganized. In the before ultrasounds, like, fascia is supposed to have layers, like literal layers through the body. And then it's also intermuscular, and it's also down to the deepest, deepest level. It is what wraps the bone and what feeds the bone. And I cannot tell you how many ultrasounds that we saw where there was no fascia ring on the femur bone. And then in the after, oh, it appeared, you know, and we can't use the fascia blaster to the bone. So that is the body's ability to generate that spider web. But I would, I would argue that fascia has. Having healthy fascia has an impact on literally everything. Literally everything, because it is that light system is the soft tissue that permeates. It's the quantum system. It's a feeding system, you know, so of course it impacts bones. Of course it impacts liver. Of course it impacts gut, which is all 100% lined in, in fascia.
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Amitai Eshel
Wow. I love what you're saying. I love it. We're getting close to an hour recording, and I really. I don't want to be. I don't want to leave this conversation without talking about the emotional aspect because. Because I think this is where at least I was introduced to fascia as a. As a player who was holding on to emotions or, or being a conduit for different things that are going on in your subconscious. And maybe we should start by, like. Let me ask you a question. How prevalent is the. Is your experience with people when they're starting to work on their fascia, that emotions come up?
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Ashley Black
Probably half.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Ashley Black
Half of people. I mean, I have recorded tracks to. For people to use my tools while going through, like, you know, releasing and things like that. But I think there's the physical and there's the metaphysical. So if we think about these tissues, we know 100% tissues can trap stuff. Like for instance, we had a woman who hadn't had a cigarette in 20 years use the fascia blaster. And her grandkids were like, nana, why do we. Right. And we've had all kinds of stuff like that. Okay, so bridge that over here a little bit. We know again, it's, it is the primary sensory organ for the body. So if we just think about it, like if I was going to scream at you, what would you do?
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah, right, yeah.
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Ashley Black
And that's what's happening in the fascia, is that it retracts. Now that's a very third dimensional view of it. My more fifth dimensional view of it is that, you know, as above, so below. You gotta understand quantum universe and kind of buy into that. But I think the memory's in the water. And you know, I think when we talk about that beautiful fascia matrix that's lined in those fractal crystals holding the water, I think it's that literal. I mean, I can tell you from my own personal experience without making any kind of a claim when I was touching human bodies and again, I'm very intuitive, sometimes I could actually see people's memories.
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Amitai Eshel
Wow.
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Ashley Black
So I think that it can transfer energetically outside of the fascia into my fascia or just energetically in general. We definitely, I mean, if you follow people like human garage that works with fascia or come to any of my academies, like we literally see people sob. We have somebody literally have a full meltdown every single training, you know, and what's so fun for me now, because I'm really in the whole plant medicine, woo woo community down here. I've had shamans come and take the course and they're incorporating, actually using fascia blaster tools in ceremony to help with the release. Isn't that crazy?
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah, it's really great.
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Ashley Black
I'm telling you, this is the blend of worlds that we need, that we're onto it.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's incredible. And I mean, that's why a lot of the times when we talk about Botox, for example, to be completely fair, we poo poo Botox so much. It's important to say I'm not necessarily against it. I'm not necessarily against anything that would make a person feel better about themselves. I think that's the number one goal.
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Ashley Black
Correct.
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Amitai Eshel
A lot of the times when I do talk about Botox, I say, hey, here are the negative things. And one of the ways that you could do still Botox, but you could negate some of those negative things, is make sure you have mechanical stimulation, mechanical movement that you are engaging and you are initiating with your tissue. You can time it. You know, you don't want to do it exactly. After Botox. That's how you get it into your, into your adrenals. And that's like not the best thing in the world, but you want to do it towards like the middle and end stages of your Botox, you know, so after like a month, up to like three months. So. And that's kind of why, why we're saying it is because the, the move, the, the movement is, is, is essential not only for skin health, but for, you know, fascia and all of that, you know, past the second dimensional aspect of.
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Ashley Black
Right.
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Amitai Eshel
Of your, of your being, of your body.
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Ashley Black
Yeah. I mean, when I. Again, for me, I feel like there's personal choice, you know, like at the end of the day, I had a breast reduction. Having your fascia cut is like the worst thing that you can do for it, you know, But I had to look at my risk benefit. And I also know how to regenerate my scar tissue.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah.
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Ashley Black
And I'm still on that path. This was over two and a half years ago. But guess what I still do. I blast my scars. I'm getting there, I'm getting the movement. I cup them and do all of that. So I feel like when we do something that we know is, I hate to use the D word, damaging but interruptive. Call it that. Right. Then knowing how to sort of counterbalance that I think is super important, you know, and I'm on the same bandwagon with you. I think people, you know, we do need to feel good about the way we look and feel like we're, you know, doing all the things that we can. But what I do find is that, you know, people don't want to address their sleep. They are like, you know, I'm going to keep stimulating myself with nine cups of coffee. I'm going to keep working 10, 15 hours a day and give me the Botox, which I'm not a really big fan of that.
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Amitai Eshel
I'm sure that there are people that go to your shaman and say, hey, I thought we're going to do only. Oh, yeah, they're only going to fix me. And you're giving me a tool that I now need to use physically. Like, I'm sure that occurs as well. That's what's crazy. Like as humans, you know, we want to do the bare minimum to get the result that we're aiming for. And that's, that's the most human thing there is. And I think my role, your role, people that have, that really care about, you know, something deeper than the, the visual result is that our responsibility is to maybe raise the bar of what is the minimum, minimal thing to do.
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Ashley Black
Yeah, you can imagine in my social media, I get, oh, yeah, you just do whatever you want and you fascia blast and you're going to look amazing. And I'm like, no, that is. I don't know how you heard that message, but, like, I do everything to be healthy. And what I like about fascia blasting is it doesn't just make you look better, it actually makes you better.
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Amitai Eshel
You know, one of the things that you did, which is to me, you know, as an immigrant, as someone who took their, their things and moved, and once every two years, apparently we keep moving from place to place. I think, I mean, one of the things that you've done and really not to get into it, because I have a different question, but I just want to mention it, like, one of the things that you've done, which you say, like, I do everything. You literally, like, said, hey, this is where I want to live. This is where I feel like my. I'm energetically, you know, more aligned. Aligned or whole. And you moved there and I mean, when you moved to Costa Rica, it wasn't the Costa Rica that people think of now. So, like, it's pretty crazy. But I have a question to finish. It's actually, you know, an interest of mine. You mentioned in the beginning of the interview that you are now more of a seminal part of the fascia con World Congress type like, ecosystem.
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Ashley Black
Yeah, it's so amazing. So I'm gonna be the key sponsor and one of the lead speakers at the Global Fascia Congress. And there's amazing fascia scientists. I've studied their work. The Carlos Decker I just talked about with the fascist site, she's a member, she's going to be at the conference. So for me, these are my heroes, but they've kind of been out on an island and their research isn't really getting to mainstream research. And even if it gets to mainstream research, it's not getting to customers, which is ultimately what we, what we want. And it's like, I felt like I've got 10 million people that follow me. They're interested in fascia. So, like, why don't we try to bridge that gap? And it was great because they reached out to me and then once we started talking, you know, it was like they were completely aligned on our thought that, like there's. So it's happening. We're getting to a tipping point. We're having conversations like this. This podcast was not happened 10 years ago, you know, so starting to like, bring that together and other fascia people and plastic surgeons and beauty people and getting us all, like, to where we have an entity that we can go to and say, okay, we trust this information. Like, that's huge. So I'm really excited to present my research, which, by the way, my research is not the end all. Be all of research on fascia, but it's the first time we've been able to really see it in, in ultrasounds and see it regenerate. And it actually, you know, people thought it took a hundred and you're a.
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Amitai Eshel
Bridge off the island.
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Ashley Black
Yeah, it gets, it gets me off the island. It gets them off the island, you know, and my goal in this partnership with J be to just take good, accurate base science that of course we need to do way more research, but put it in the hands of the public. So I even invited my audience to come to this four or five day seminar when normally it's for, you know, therapists or people that do it for a living. But I'm like, why, why hold. Why hold that information? Like, we should all know. And it's, it's sad we could jump into this, but, you know, this is biohacking, you know, so I feel like real science and things that make sense, like regenerating your fascia is as regenerative medicine as you can get, you know?
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah.
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Ashley Black
And so I just think it's. I think it's a great partnership and I think it's great to on a world stage, put it out there as like, hey, this is an alternative to some of the noise that's in the.
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Amitai Eshel
Biohacking space, or at least a prerequisite. You know, you could do whatever you want again. Again, if you want to run your water through pebbles because you think it structures them, do it, do it. Okay, but, but, but you, but as you, as your, as the comments on Instagram get wrong, it doesn't replace mechanical shearing and pressure and movement. It doesn't. So I mean, I think what, I.
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Ashley Black
Mean, yeah, you can structure your water all you want. You can even get your Kangen and whatever you're going to do, which, you know, I have all of that well water, but, you know, at the end of the Day. It is those three mechanisms, sheer stretch and pressure, that is required in order to stimulate. To actively stimulate your fibroblast and your fascist site, which is what remodels the site, soft tissue. So that's what. When somebody says, what about massage? And I'm like, well, how are they doing it? You know? And then what about lymphatic drainage? What about cupping? And it's like, okay, you analyze it. What does cupping do? Stretch. Does it do anything else? Does it shear? Not really. Does it provide pressure? No. Okay, so there you go. I'm not saying don't do it. It's great to stretch your fascia. But what I'm saying is if the goal is to regenerate your fascia or speed up the proliferation, that ain't going to do it.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah.
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Ashley Black
And neither is a good massage once a week. I'm sorry, but I always say brush your teeth, brush your hair, brush your fascia, because it requires. And that, for me, is probably the thing that I'm most proud of. We were talking about this a little bit offline. I don't need any more money. I don't need to sell fascia blasters. Okay.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah.
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Ashley Black
This is what you do at home daily. And that's what. That's what we see. Like, somebody goes to a great therapist, do it. I have a therapist that works on me twice a week. I am not saying don't do it. I am saying it's like the dentist. Get your deep cleaning, but you still need to brush your teeth.
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Amitai Eshel
Exactly.
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Ashley Black
And that's the same thing with fascia care. And there's all kinds of ways to care for fascia. Fascia blasting just happens to be a very good way to do it. But you're stretching, you know, your yoga classes, your movement, your multi plane movement, you know.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah.
- [65:47]
Ashley Black
And particularly it's everything because we're fighting the clock of the actual substances our fascia is made of.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah. Listen, Ashley, I love you. I love what you're doing. You are such an inspiration. It's such an honor to have you on the podcast.
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Ashley Black
I have been reading this since the day we met.
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Amitai Eshel
Yeah.
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Ashley Black
And they really have it going on. And I also want to say something briefly because I have been using your products, which, of course, I had to go headfirst into all the science, but they have really made a difference in, like, the surface of my skin. So amazing. Hats off to young goose. And it's funny you told me, because I'm one of those people that's like, I'm not gonna do like a morning and this is how we do the, you know, in the night. So I literally just at night put it all on and it's still working. So even doing it, we'll just say half ass. It still works. I'm so in the morning I'm like, I have a one track mind for surfing. I love it.
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Amitai Eshel
I love it. And you know what is again, as we keep saying over and over again, the idea is not to like, you know, to strong arm a person out of their, out of their life's purpose or even interest or view of how they should live their life. The idea is to, to cover the bases so, you know, so, so they get, they get to eat the cake and have it too or the vice versa. Anyway, Ashley, we were going to bug you and we're going to do more things in the future because I think you are a really force of nature and quite literally, and I totally appreciate.
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Ashley Black
That and I'm here for it. You know, I think, you know, sharing audiences with like minded people is, is, that is the, it's the old school way of like passing Amen. The telephone game. And you know, I, I would love to have you on my podcast and talk about everything that you know about all these amazing, I'm just going to call it substances that we can do to enhance our, enhance our beauty. So anyway, thank you so, so much. What a wonderful way to spend the morning.
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Amitai Eshel
It's, it's absolutely my pleasure. And Ashley, so before we go, where could people, you know, where could people consume the Ashley Black content fascia blast?
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Ashley Black
People just follow me. The Real Ashley Black, that's my Instagram handle. There's a website, the Real Ashley Black. Because I do a lot more than the products I do. Definitely, yeah, public speaking. I have books that I've written about this and then I'm just pumping out content every single day as I get it, you know, so it's almost like you got to be live with it, but it's just the R E A L Ashley A S H L E Y. And then black like the color. And from there you can jump off to the websites, the blogs. I have a app, the fascia app. I've got a new mechanical tool coming out that I think it's going to change the game. So just get, get plugged in and pop your popcorn, baby.
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Amitai Eshel
Amen. All right, thank you very much, Ashley. Thank you everyone.
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Ashley Black
Namaste.
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Amitai Eshel
Namaste.
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Ashley Black
Sa.