← Biohacking Beauty: The Anti-Aging Skincare Podcast
Biohacking Beauty: The Anti-Aging Skincare Podcast
Biohackers React To Viral SkinTok Videos on Dermaroller, Red Light Therapy Wands & Tretinoin
00:33:04
Loading summary
Transcript124 lines
- [00:00]
A
Foreign. Welcome to Biohacking Beauty. I'm Amitai Eshel.
- [00:10]
B
I'm Eren, co founders of Yango Skincare.
- [00:15]
A
Yeah. And obviously the host of this podcast, Biohacking Beauty, where we bring you the
- [00:20]
B
latest and greatest and skin health and longevity.
- [00:24]
A
Yeah. And today we're doing something a little bit different.
- [00:28]
B
Yes. We are watching a viral TikTok video from the Skin Talk, the corner of TikTok, which apparently pulls a billion views every month, which is a staggering number.
- [00:40]
A
Yeah. More than a Super bowl per month.
- [00:43]
B
Yeah.
- [00:44]
A
Yeah. Crazy.
- [00:44]
B
And then we are reviewing if the viral video has any. Is this any merit? Any merit? Is it just hype or is it for real?
- [00:53]
A
Yeah. Let's go. Okay. First, how many we do just one
- [00:56]
B
or we'll do three today. And those of you watching, listening, you just hear the audio and that's. We chose the clips that, you know, you'll be able to understand what we're talking about.
- [01:08]
A
If you like it, if you like
- [01:10]
B
the format, let us know please, in the reviews and we'll bring this as a regular thing that we do. Everyone is using the skincare wand.
- [01:19]
C
People in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, you name it. That's because it does so many things.
- [01:24]
B
It reduces the appearance of fine lines, wrinkles, dark circles, blemishes, and dark spots. And if that didn't cover all your skincare concerns, it also depuffs and gives your skin a glowing, firm, lifted appearance. There's a reason this wand keeps selling out. Get your hands on it before it sells out again.
- [01:43]
A
Wow. This is my. I, I.
- [01:45]
B
You know, this one was chosen for you.
- [01:48]
A
Yes, this one has been chosen for me. Let's start with the fact that red light therapy doesn't depuff. Okay. Just as a. Just as, you know, it says depuff. That's the lowest hanging fruit. It doesn't. De Puff has nothing to do with depuffing.
- [02:02]
B
Also, what I think they. Okay, if somebody is using it and they felt depuffed a little bit, there is a warmth to this device and that very subtle warmth. It can a. It can, like, warm up the tissue a little bit.
- [02:19]
A
So do you know that this one specifically has a warmth to it?
- [02:22]
B
Yeah, it says therapeutic warmth in one of the.
- [02:25]
A
Therapeutic.
- [02:26]
B
Therapeutic warmth in one of their features and one of their benefits.
- [02:30]
A
It therapeutically does nothing. So, yeah, you mentioned that. But it's also like moving it. Like, it's like a gua sha, so you can move fluids.
- [02:37]
B
That's exactly what I wanted to say. Yeah. I wanted to say that first it warms up the tissue. So temporarily it might look depuffed, but it's not like you can do it in the morning. And then an hour later you look at yourself in mirror and you're. It's the effects stuff state like it can be a very short lived effect first of all. And then I know you have a lot to say, so let me just say my two cents and then you can go at it.
- [03:01]
A
So you said one cent. What's the second cent?
- [03:03]
B
The second cent is that when you're considering a red light therapy device and you are in this particular one, that you guys, those of you listening, what you couldn't see is that wand. It actually looks like a razor. And I'm sure you guys have seen those on the Internet. So that razor looking like wand, you know, if you constantly move it on your face, you won't be able to get that significant kind of photon boosting in your tissue to actually have the red light therapy effect that they are attributing to their device.
- [03:42]
A
Yeah. Thank you for your scent is also. Well, we share. We have the same bank account, so.
- [03:49]
B
Okay, it was our two cents.
- [03:51]
A
Yeah, it was our two cents.
- [03:52]
C
No.
- [03:53]
A
So to your point, how does red light therapy is cumulative. I'm not talking about number of sessions, I'm talking about the same session. Red light therapy gets absorbed by something in your mitochondria. It's called cco. Google it. Okay. Called cco. And it needs to accumulate in that cco, cytochrome C oxidase and then you get the effects. Okay. That's why you need to be in front of it for, you know, X amount of time, 5, 10, 15 minutes depends on the power of the device you're using. Spoiler alert. The power of the device that we saw right now is about, is minus. It's a negative.
- [04:32]
B
It's basically a flashlight.
- [04:33]
A
It's basically glorified. It's significantly weaker than your Christmas lights. Okay. Now if you move something around to your point, to your scent, you are not accumulating nothing. You're not accumulating nothing. You are literally providing one photon and then you're going to the next step. Imagine you had a weight at the gym. First of all, very, very low weight. Okay. Close to zero. An ankle weight, one pound. First of all, you're not going to get very far. That's the power of this device. Number two, you did one rep of an exercise and you moved to the next. You lift it over your head one time. You, you bite on it. You roll it on the floor, you kick it, you hug it, you're not going to become a bodybuilder, let me tell you. You ain't gonna tone up. Yeah.
- [05:25]
B
You didn't give like, as if like in the gym you would need to give your muscles. We need to choose muscle groups that you're working on. You need to give them consistent exercise and couple reps and you know, et cetera. So similarly here. Yeah. If you're constantly moving it around and most likely whoever is using this is done in 10, 15 minutes, you know, you're not.
- [05:46]
A
No, no, no, it's not. There is nothing there. The reason it sells, first of all, let me tell you something. A device that you're only buying once, nine out of 10 times, if it's sold out or not, has nothing to do with the efficacy of the device because it's not something you're buying over and over again.
- [06:04]
B
Mm.
- [06:05]
A
Right. If it's a.
- [06:06]
B
Also whenever. First of all, it's such a like overused marketing claim. Oh, it's sold out four times. Buy it before it sells out again. Like, okay, if it's so popular, make more, make more and get your like stock issues solved.
- [06:22]
A
But like, first of all, that's something we need to do. That's a different story.
- [06:25]
B
Yeah, but, but that's the. Yeah, we unfortunately have been selling out, but we don't market it. Like we actually understand that that's a bad thing and we are like apologizing profusely.
- [06:39]
A
And you know, the reason people don't see Vampirex's on ads and stuff like that is because we are doing the opposite of telling you buy it before it's sold out. We're trying to be like, okay, let's make sure people who are already using it can continue using it.
- [06:52]
B
Yeah.
- [06:53]
A
So to your point, I think the, the example hit home. So 9 out of 10 times products are going to sell out because they're repurchased by the same people and they are very successful. They provide what they promised. For example, vampire exosomp. Right. Then you tell your friends about them, they buy it too. And you might even up your use. Right. You love tea. You have like five teas, maybe 20 teaspoons in our.
- [07:27]
B
I love teas.
- [07:27]
A
Yeah, but if there was tea that was so amazing, it had a benefit that you're looking for. Maybe it's like to help you fall asleep. Right. You wouldn't use five teas, like alternate five T's to fall asleep. It's the tastiest. Blah, blah, blah. Now you're using every evening the same tea. So you upped your usage of the same tea. You buy more of it and other people are buying it because you said how good it is. Right. That's why things sell out. If it's a product you're buying only once, the reason it's sold out is like really good marketing or it didn't really sell out telling me it sold out, or it's a company that didn't, didn't do a good job planning on, you know, planning stock. That's okay. I don't think it's the issue here. But bottom line, if the product moves, it doesn't matter if it's a $2,000 in air quotes laser. Okay. Or it's a product that cost, you know, 20 bucks. If you need to move it on your face, it has a small circumference. It's probably not the device for you. And it's very rare, by the way, that you're going to want to have a device flush on your skin. That's another thing that this video, you know, normally light, red light, other types of light are going to be the most effective slightly off the skin. And that is because you're, you're, you're not getting spots, you're not getting where the diode is. If it's flush on your skin, where the diode is, is where you're going to get the benefit and where it's not, you're not getting any benefit. Never mind that these are like three diodes. Okay. But you want convergence, you want like even coverage. And that is, that is something you get when you go a little bit further.
- [09:09]
B
Yeah, that really makes sense.
- [09:11]
A
So that's as far as that. Okay, next vid.
- [09:13]
B
Well, I will say one last thing. I think a lot of the times just on our social media, we have been asked to review similar videos or react to similar videos. And I don't want people to think that we are anti red light therapy. We are not. And I want people to think that there are no companies we support. We actually support a lot of companies. So on our podcast we've already had guests from companies that we love and support. And that was Thera Sash, Mito Red, Lumbox. There's like we're interviewing Chroma soon.
- [09:47]
A
So yeah, I'm working on it. The guy is, I don't know, shy or whatever.
- [09:50]
B
But there is lots of companies that make amazing red light therapy products that
- [09:55]
A
Biolite, I don't know if you mentioned biolite.
- [09:57]
B
That's Right. So we know that if you get products from those companies, you won't be wasting money. And we don't want you to waste money. That device in the video is a waste of money, waste and time.
- [10:09]
A
Okay, next vid.
- [10:12]
B
I don't know who needs to hear this, but micro needling at home with 1 millimeter derma roller is what makes you look youthful, gives you healthy skin, boost collagen and elastin production in your skin. 192 medical grade stainless steel trademark Dermarones from Gin Airme Beauty, especially this one with replaceable head to save planet and environment is the best micro needling tool at home. You will pay less than five bucks per each session doing at home. And meanwhile you will be paying 250, 350 even 500 for each session. If you did this at the Estes office and you don't know how good they will do.
- [11:09]
A
Okay, there's a lot in this video. Do you want to go claim by claim? Because I, you know.
- [11:14]
B
Well, first of all, I think she
- [11:17]
A
says she doesn't know. Who needs to hear this? That's her first claim.
- [11:21]
B
Well, what I wanted to say is that the dermal rolling as a whole, I think it's actually a practice we support. So it is like a basically a form of at home microneedling. And what you really need to see is that it's like when you open the derma roller, it's not discs, it's actually individual needles.
- [11:48]
A
Yeah, I think that's the first, I mean, first of all. But let's just like go over what she says. So the first thing that she said was that it supports. First of all, she said 1 millimeter. And since this is an international podcast, not every country allows 1 millimeter and not even every state. Different rules. But let's talk about depth. Yes, depth is important. She mentioned collagen and elastin production. That's where you should have like your spidey senses up. Just because it means she reads a marketing,
- [12:29]
B
she's mentioning what people will respond to.
- [12:31]
A
Yes. So the problem is, and by the way, she said some very nice things. This is not going to happen. Elastin is not something you're going to be creating as you grow older. You can maintain the Elastin that you already have, but you're not going to make more Elastin. You made more Elastin until your teens, basically. We had a full podcast about it.
- [12:52]
B
You made your Elastin at birth? More or less.
- [12:54]
A
Yeah. You made your Elastin at birth, you had your chance. Now you gotta live with it. One thing that I would say is, you know how collagen banking is now like a thing? I think elastin banking is where it's at. But anyway, that is the first thing that's incorrect. The second thing, when she talks about depth and she kind of compares it later to an esthetician. So different. Different depths mean different things. Normally, you actually want to go to the point where your skin kind of bleeds a little bit if you want to create collagen in a meaningful fashion. And it's also the amount of time your skin is pricked. She said 192 needles. Well, the way that she rolls it specifically almost makes it. Not that it's bad, but she does, like, very short kind of passes. In general, that needles nullifies the emphasis on the amount of needles. And that's the problem with a roller. The problem with the roller is that she's correct in the technique that she does. Because you don't want to create a very rough angle of entry to the skin. And professional microneedling apparatuses, pens, they come at the correct angle and they do it way, way, way more times.
- [14:07]
B
Well, I think with this video, we just have, like a little bit of different takes on it and opinions about it. And it also kind of represents what we do personally. So you prefer to go to professional microneedling and you get it done with professionals, and you have amazing results, and I think that's fine. But you still get, for example, the pain cream, like the. The numbing cream. So I am somebody who. Well, first of all, still breastfeeding. Second of all, even though, like, the type of numbing cream that, you know, supposedly you can find the one that it's like, out of your system pretty quickly and not too toxic on your liver. This is where I like you. We all do something. I'm not, like, perfect. I do some things that are not good for my skin air on my liver, but this is the one where I opt not to do so. I prefer to use the derma roller at home. And I don't. And I will have. It will. It will have all these downsides that you mentioned. It will not be enough depth to cause the bleeding. It will not be as many needles as the professional micro needling device. So I will not get such dramatic results. Because you can do it once a month. You can do it. I mean, you do it every three to six months. You're not even doing it monthly. For me, I prefer to have a derma Roller at home doing it a little bit more consistently. Do I do it biweekly? Not always, but even like monthly is better than once in six months. And as long as you're. You're diligent about what derma roller you chose, you make sure that it really is stainless steel, that it really is like individual needles and not discs. You, you figured out your technique by
- [15:56]
A
the way you say discs. I think people don't realize they have a wider base. They're not like super, super thin. They look like little pyramids.
- [16:04]
B
Yes, yes. Instead of individual needles. Thank you. Yeah. So you make sure that your Derma Roller is as good as possible for your skin. You get your technique. You don't tag on your skin, you don't drag on your skin. And I think it will give enough positive effect to improve. Improve your skincare effect. And also especially with vampire, I was going to say, and especially if you invest in something like vampire exosomes, using the Derma Roller prior will help to channel it a little bit better into the skin so you potentially can get more out of it. So I'm actually for Derma Roller.
- [16:43]
A
I didn't say what I'm not for. I agree. That's, that's. Let me, let me say that again. If you, by the way, if you do it at home already, you can use a, you can use a skin pen. Not by the company skin pen. It's just a company. Okay. But the microneedling pen, that, that would do a similar job to a derma roller, maybe a little bit better. If you are on a budget, Derma roller is fantastic. A derma stamping also works well. But at the end of the day, she compares. It's not me. She compared it to a professional. She said this cost, you know, X amount of money. I don't remember what she said once. Right. Or you have interchangeable heads that are cheaper and if you go to your esthetician, it's going to be 250. It's not the same treatment.
- [17:24]
B
Yes, you're right. That. Yeah, she. I mean, she's a salesperson at the
- [17:28]
A
end of the day. One more thing. She said trademarked.
- [17:31]
B
She did. I did.
- [17:32]
A
She did. She said these microneedles are trademarked. Trademark is. You're registering a name for something that other people will not use the same name. It has nothing to do with anything.
- [17:45]
B
I should try that. It's patented, but it's not.
- [17:48]
A
Yeah, I can trademark, you know, guava juice Skincare right now. It doesn't mean it doesn't even have to have guava in it.
- [17:57]
B
Yeah, that's a really good point. I didn't actually notice that look. Did she exaggerate a bit? Yes, but that's also. I'm not excusing this. I'm not saying she was the right. She had the right to do it. But that's also like skin talk. That's why people sell like they there she's competing with people that are probably saying even worse things. And I'm not saying, I'm not saying that this is the right thing to do.
- [18:21]
A
Here is what I would. Here is how I would sell. Obviously not on skin talk probably not going to go. But here's what I would want a salesperson of a micro needling roller to tell me. Sterility the reason you can interchange heads that you don't need to worry if you've sterilized your microneedles. Well, number one, the most important safety is the most important. Number two, consistency. We make the derma rollers and the interchangeable heads at a very large scale and we guarantee consistency because that's an issue in this field. Sometimes they arrive good, sometimes not. Consistency is very important. You know something around customer service goes bad, doesn't go bad. Another thing and then yeah individual needles the right size that they're not like this pyramid shape, whatever that they're the amount of needles. If you want great ergonomic design is something I would like people to say materials you can talk. She says something about good for the earth. Don't understand why interchangeable heads are good
- [19:27]
B
for the earth because you don't A lot of the time the rollers. Some of the rock companies don't have interchangeable heads. And then you, you, you throw it away. You, you throw it away including the, the handle. So this way you only have you got it. The tags of handle is just once
- [19:46]
A
of the plastic fantastic. How about using a like a better material? Let's say okay. Using a better material on the handle like wood or something. Right. Just saying.
- [19:56]
B
Yeah.
- [19:56]
A
Anyway. Yeah. Do microneedling at home.
- [19:59]
B
Yeah, I think not because it's trademarked. I think another thing I think she could do and maybe she does but she didn't talk about it is like proper tutorials. Support of the skin before and after that would made me trust her as a manufacturer a little bit more.
- [20:17]
A
Yeah. By the way it wasn't bad like at the end of the day. Yeah. What you know if at the end of the day people will do more microneedling at home in safe conditions. Stale Conditions maybe her tool is great. So no offense to her, just the way she marketed it is not 100% honest.
- [20:34]
B
Anyway, actually before we go into the third video and do our reaction to the third video, how about we read a review?
- [20:41]
A
Trademarked review.
- [20:43]
B
Trademarked review. Okay. And why do we need to. Where do we want to read the review?
- [20:49]
A
For the trademark. I'm kidding. So for the first of all, reviews help episodes like this where we complain about other people on TikTok reach more ears but normally we educate pretty heavily and there are many people who need this who are interested in this.
- [21:08]
B
Oh, sorry.
- [21:09]
A
Go ahead, go ahead.
- [21:11]
B
No, I wanted. I just remembered that a person that we gave out the product last time, last episode, she actually posted the video of it arriving and how. How she excited to use it and that she wanted it for a really long time. The body cream. And actually it was the, the, the spray.
- [21:31]
A
Oh, the blue pepper spray. Yeah.
- [21:32]
B
That's the person who recorded a very sweet video. And then the, the body cream person who received the body cream sent us a really cute email.
- [21:41]
A
Very nice.
- [21:42]
B
She received it and then it's sweet and she's never won anything and it's like winning something, you know, like one of those giveaway or something. So it's nice to have that feedback 100%.
- [21:55]
A
So we're going to read a review. If you were the person who their review was, read DM us on Instagram or send us an email on serviceangles.com and we're going to give you a free product. Go ahead. Anastasia the review reader.
- [22:13]
B
Yes. Yes. Okay. I started listening out of curiosity and now I'm hooked. The episodes make biohacking approachable for someone like me who isn't a scientist. I've already noticed improvements in how I care for my skin thanks to the tips I picked up here.
- [22:29]
A
Ooh, very nice. Okay, what's the name?
- [22:32]
B
Catherine.
- [22:33]
A
Catherine. Just Catherine.
- [22:35]
B
Catherine de la Rosa.
- [22:36]
A
Catherine Zita Jones, Whomever you are. Catherine Jazita Jones. No, I'm kidding. Catherine de la Rosa. Shout out to Catherine de la Rosa wherever you're at. You gonna get something in the mail?
- [22:49]
B
Yeah. Or in the metal blue spray.
- [22:52]
A
Yes. Okay. The third vid.
- [22:55]
B
The third. Oh, I forgot about it. Third video.
- [22:57]
A
The third video. Let's do it. Let's see. Is it one out of three? I'm just gonna have no comments. It's gonna be like the best video of all times.
- [23:06]
C
Nobody told me these things about tretinoin and I really wish that somebody had. So now that I've been Using it for over six years. Let me be that person to tell that my skin would get worse before it got better. The first time I tried trap, my acne got so much worse that I actually quit before trying again a couple years later. I wish I had someone to tell me at that time that it was all part of the process and to just write it out because the long term results make all of that worth it. Number two, that exfoliants like glycolic and lactic acid had no place in my routine for at least a couple of years until my skin adapted to the tret. The only thing that happened when I tried to use exfoliation exfoliants was that my skin barrier would get destroyed. So I wish that I had just kept everything else super simple and let trot work its magic. Number three, the irritation would not be permanent. I had so many moments like this where my skin barrier was just a disaster and I wondered if I should just get off trep altogether. Now I know that this was really just a sign that I needed to make adjustments to my routine. So in addition to removing exfoliants altogether, I also tried other things like using trat on top of the moisturizer instead of under it and using it fewer days per week. And eventually my skin not only healed, but started looking amazing. I have so many more where that came from. So if you want more tret tips, let me know and I can do a part two.
- [24:16]
A
Okay, so first of all, she's saying skin will get worse before it gets better. What do you have to say about that?
- [24:25]
B
Well, I think that we, we.
- [24:28]
A
I think she's first of all, good video. She's correct. Her perspective is a little bit of a younger person trying retinol for the first time. She's talking a little bit about acne using other peels, which I think we're going to get to.
- [24:41]
B
But yeah, so I think in general that notion of like, oh, I wish someone told me it's going to get worse before it's going to get better. It usually it's a red light, a red flag to me. But with tretinoin and retinoids, I feel like it a little bit has a merit to it. You know, with acne it's kind of unpredictable. You might have worse acne before it's going to get better. And I don't know also how she was caring for her skin because obviously, or maybe not that obvious and I should explain, but tretinoin is very strong and it's really the people that can tolerate Tretinoin, it's a few and far in between. And so most people, again, especially when
- [25:27]
A
you get, when you get into perimenopause, menopause, like even people who have been able to use retinoid before, they might get in, it might be too strong for them.
- [25:38]
B
Yes. So what I was leading up to is that the way, you know, it's too strong for you, you will get like really strong retinoid dermatitis. You will, you will. It will compromise your barrier really strongly. And then with her, if she had active acne, yeah, maybe it spread more. Maybe, you know, she let even more p. Acne. Acne causing bacteria in. And, you know, so it's not necessarily that it always works like this. It's that, you know, you have to be. Yeah. Like, really careful. She did address some things. And so in a, in a way you can mitigate is if you really work with your skin barrier, you really nurture your skin barrier. And that can be in a formulation. Right. If you chose a retinoid product that already thought about, like, for example, with us, we have a bioretinol. And you know, for those of you that used our product before you, you might know that it has bimimetic lipids and it has 0.5% retinol. So it's very gentle and usually doesn't cause that because A, we chose a form that is not too aggressive and two, we supported it with bimimetic lipids. I think with her, she probably realized, oh. Because she was talking a lot about her. Her skin was peeling and she was combining retinol with other acids. So it was like really destroying her skin barrier.
- [27:03]
A
So, no, I feel like what happened was she got a more severe acne. So then she tried to use, you know, like, you know, glycolic, you know, whatever acids to then.
- [27:15]
B
Yeah, could be.
- [27:16]
A
It could be in acne treatments, by the way, to then kind of strip off those layers, hopefully get less acne. Like, that's what I'm saying. It's a little bit of a younger person's perspective of journey with retinol. But she's correct. Like, she's correct to say that. On the contrary, for example, if you're going to, you know, in our protocols for our copper peptide peel, which is a professional pill, you need to go to professional to do it. We say, make sure that he didn't use retinol for that or any, you know, any vitamin A, retinol, tretinoin, which he's talking about, et cetera. Five Days leading prior to this, by the way, we talked about microneedling. Very similar. Addressing what she said about like, oh, build up to it, all of those things. You know, if you use tretinoin twice a week, it doesn't do much. You're building resilience, but it doesn't do much for your skin. More than that. Yes, but what a person should be doing is use a vitamin A derivative that they can actually work into the routine every other day, maybe even every day. And once they can do that, do that reliably, they can then increase percentage, get a derivative that's closer to the way that vitamin active vitamin A is currently in the skin. The half life of vitamin A is very short. It's less than 24 hours. It means you're not getting benefits for more than 24 hours. So if you use it twice a week or once a week or something like that, yeah, you can build resilience to that version. But the benefits you're getting are, you know, a day, a week or two days a week. Right? Yeah, that's as far as that goes.
- [29:00]
B
So that's why the best, yeah, the best retinoid product that you can have is the one that you can use nightly. If you already opt for retinoids, which I think few years ago, let's say five years ago, 10 years ago, yes, that was like the best option if you want potent anti aging results. But today I don't think retinol has to be in a person's regimen to get significant anti aging.
- [29:27]
A
And if it is, you can benefit. I agree. And if it is, we know, we know studies show that retinol use or increased vitamin A use or just increased cellular turnover as a whole, also increased senescence as well, like increased senescent cells, basically draws on reservoirs, like longevity reservoirs later on. What it means is, is that, you know, she said, oh, I wish I used it sooner, things like that. Like basically what she's saying is that the benefits of it, you know, are you continue enjoying them years later. Well, you're also exacerbating, you're also kind of hastening aging in different areas. So you're, you're basically also creating issues. How can you resolve that? For example, platelet derived exosomes like vampire exosomes have been shown to counteract that to some extent. Having it, you know, using supplements, qualia senolytics or just Google supplements that lower senescence cells. Spermidine, you know, topically like in youth products or oral spermidine life primidine are Two good examples of spermidine products. Hopbox, the longevity supplement that we've collaborated
- [30:38]
B
with before and that we're taking and
- [30:40]
A
that we're taking has spermidine. So just as examples where, you know, where you could find things that would help you, like, mitigate the effects of retinols.
- [30:52]
B
Yeah, no, I think that's really great. And so, yeah, I think retinol by itself or tretinoin is not necessarily bad. It's just that it's powerful and you have to figure out what downsides are and if you have a plan to counteract them and if this is the best approach for you.
- [31:12]
A
Yeah, the last thing I want to say, I just saw the TikTok skin Tuck is now into saying methylene blue is better than retinol. Like, it's coming. And, you know, there's a skincare company with a, with a. That I think are pretty cool as a company, but they ran for a very long time, like something similar around. Like their peptide is better the ret than retinol. You don't have to use vitamin A, but nothing really replaces vitamin A. It's like something that, that your body uses to signal some things. So other things can be also good. But replacing vitamin A, that's not, you know, that's not how it works. Okay, so just as a side note. Okay, but these were the three vids.
- [31:58]
B
Yeah, yeah. So, guys, let us know if this is the format you liked, if you found it helpful. Interesting. If you want us to do more videos and also feel free to like, send us the videos you want us to react to. Exactly, you can do it by emailing us serviceangles.com or send it directly in our slide into our DM, send it to us on Instagram. We'll make sure to file it to, you know, aggregate all of the videos and we'll do this again sometime soon. Well, thank you so much, guys. It was, was lovely and lovely. Yes. And I hope you drive home safe. Yeah.
- [32:42]
A
Bye.
- [32:42]
B
Bye. It.