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Biohacking Beauty: The Anti-Aging Skincare Podcast
Janelle Ardizzone: Why Healing Isn’t Linear—and How Hyperbaric Therapy Fits In
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Foreign. Welcome to the Biohacking Beauty Podcast. To the. One of my favorite people that I met in the industry ever and a just rock star of an entrepreneur. She has been. We have both been with each other in happy moments, challenging moments, and someone I feel extremely close to. Janelle, welcome to the Biohacking Beauty podcast.
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Thank you, Amitay. Happy to be here.
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Great.
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Such an honor.
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So, you know, it's funny because normally we bring people and it's like, okay, we're gonna talk about this subject. Go. Right. Like, this is your story, right? And with you, really, you are just like. I. I think you are like an avatar of someone in this space. Like, you are. You. You are someone that I love seeing Take. Take the journey in the biohacking longevity, whatever you want to call it. Different. Same thing with different titles to it. But, you know, you have Desert Moon Wellness. I think this is what. What kind of your journey revolves around. Right.
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Like, yeah.
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Which is a very, very cool place that centers around hyperbarics. And I just actually had a conversation with Dr. Scott Sher.
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Oh, amazing.
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The great and powerful Dr. Scott Scher. And you know, one of the things I asked him, which I. I think is very important in. In hyperbarics. Do you view hyperbarics as a stressor? What do you view it first?
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Well, I have seen it stress some people out. You. You know, because it activates your parasympathetic. And we're so stuck in the sympathetic mode. Some people take that as a stressor, you know, and it can be. But that's what Dr. Scott say.
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No. So Dr. Scott, I think there was way more lead up to the question when I. When I asked Dr. Scott what's kind of towards the end. And then I realized everything is saying. I mean, more of a. Of a. Of a challenge that the body deals with and comes out stronger on the other end. And because I'll explain why, because I've spoken with anywhere from Dr. Deep Sea, which I've all the time blinking on his name, but he's like a really cool guy. To Dr. Jason Sonners.
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Joseph Detouri.
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Detouri. That's it. It was actually Vegas, like a couple months ago, right? Yeah, I saw him with Misha. So Detouri. We had Jason Sonners on. We had Scott Scher twice. Uh, we've had other people who have touched on hyperbarics. And most of the time you have this. I think this not you. I mean, the person has their kind of talk around how oxygen is healing, but then when you start, you Know, talking about should everyone use it, is it I fix all what could go, what could go south or what, what are the benefits? You kind of realize that most of them happen outside of the hyperbaricin and they're kind of a response by the body to what happened in the chamber, right?
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Yes. So the chamber is a push system. So it is promoting healing and the magic happens when you're out of the chamber. And your success, your results is also very much in line with what, what you do, like your lifestyle habits, your sleep, your nutrition, your mindset. So yeah, you know, as we learn healing is not linear, you know, so we, we have to go through those and we love it. We work with a lot of, you know, obviously professional athletes, biohackers, children, elderly. We also are seeing a lot of healthy people and I think it's going to keep on coming with autoimmune coming on and you know, I hate it, but cancer, different things like that. So it's like the earlier we can support the better and it's we, we really see magic happen when we're able to take other tools. And some of those tools are free, simple like standing outside in the ground, you know, watching the sun rays, you know, all the circadian rhythm, tapping into God, the universe, you know, it's what, what I see when people go through these journeys and I work with a lot of practitioners that I collaborate with. It all comes back to our mind. That's the most powerful thing.
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Yeah.
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And hyperbaric oxygen therapy, it's about 80 to 90% of people that it's good for. It's good for. It is good for most people. There's very few people that can go in the chamber. You know, we focus and so does Dr. Scott on off label conditions. Dr. Saunders too. So we're generally treating it which is still considered low, up to 2.0 atmosphere. It's about 33ft. It's a very safe destination for most people, but we start gently at 10ft too. So most people and then you know that 10 to 20%, usually it's barotrauma or, or things that there's a couple contraindication absolute. But anyone else, it's gonna help heal your brain, help heal your body and also help improve your immune system. So we all need that the more and I think too we have to build these lifestyles of constantly detoxing and supporting our bodies, so supporting our mitochondria, making sure those are functioning right and then detoxing just so that we're evolving and we have to evolve, we have no choice. Right? So, but if we could do it with amazing tools. You see, our bodies respond so well and so quickly. And that's why I love biohacking. Like, it was my own journey of saving my, my own life. And through that, becoming a doula and just realizing, like, wow, there's so much I could share with people that they could feel better so much quicker. And it's not just like feeling better because my shoulder hurts. It's getting them to feel better with that mind, body connection and tapping into source. Yeah, you know, we see this and like, Young Goose is something that I just added in two years ago to my own protocol. And it is been so amazing because I really do feel as though with what you have curated the products, our skin is spiritual as well. It's not just. It is an organ, but everything comes out. And I just feel like it's something that has been so synergistic with what I do. It's not just a skincare, you know, it's just so healing to our entire body.
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Yeah, that was one of the. First of all, I super appreciate that you say that and I, I just, I have like, a, A lot to ask you. But first of all, I want to say I really appreciate the fact that you recognize it. It's when, when we, obviously we. The journey of Young Goose was like, oh, there's a really cool molecule called nad. We can have it function. We can have it absorb and like, increase your youthful function in the skin. Let's go on that journey. But very, very, very, very quickly, we realized it's. There's no silver bullet. Nothing works in, in, in isolation. And so basically, like, we realized it needs, like, other things, but also we realized the emotional, spiritual, emotional aspect of, of our health has to be incorporated. And I think in the beginning, then we kind of maybe strayed off of it now because we are. There's so much science to explain, but in the beginning, it was basically, hey, let's build, build a ritual here. Like, let's make it an emotional ritualistic experience. Because I would say it is a 30 to 40%. 30 to 40% of the result that that really is. If someone asked me, hey, why does the skincare work so well? I would say it works so well. First of all, the products are good, but it works so well, first of all, because people listen to this podcast and they believe in the product. They, they believe it will benefit their skin.
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And yeah, you give me chills because, you know, when I first started attending hyperbaric conferences 10 years ago I would get people up on stage like this is the silver bullet. You know, like this is the bullet and it's. And we can praise one thing all day long but we know and understand that it's several things. There's not one silver bullet.
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Yeah.
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So.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I wonder do you get, do you get people. First of all, how often do you do the chamber?
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Like how often I usually go in. I try to get in once or twice a week. Sometimes I go a month without going in. I really enjoy when I could hop in there and get some work done. We do have three hard shells at the center now, so.
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Oh wow. You got the third one too.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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We have a third. A bigger one is for our surgical pat. You know we work a lot with the plastic surgeons in town so they love the Young Goose products. So I actually I have this with me right now because I have to tell you something. You know, hyperbaric mask and my eye, my eye cream is things that go with me everywhere and I'm using about seven products right now. But Tuesday I did something a little foolish. I let this lady put some of her product on me that she came by the center, she wanted to try and I don't have sensitive skin. I'm going to say like I, I'm pretty good but it made me like welt. It was crazy. Since Tuesday so I've been using my green tea phyto serum and it's just been so amazing and so healing. I also when I met Anastasia Stasia I asked her about like other what's safe like as far as makeup and foundations and she's like, I don't really know. I just use the bioshield and I wasn't at my place in my life where the bioshield was enough. I felt you know, to cover make me feel good enough to go. So now I'm going to be 46 tomorrow. Wow. I am going to work now just the bioshield on and I've totally. You know because we really focus on toxic load and things like that. So I really am just. It's helping me just embrace the beauty of the opportunity of I guess you call it aging but it's living, you know.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. That's beautiful. I think any. Everyone has their own journey. I mean you, you, you embrace it but obviously like you have the lifestyle to kind of support youthful function. As you as, as the chronological time passes I think a lot of people have a different journey. You know you are you are a high performer. Like, you came from, like you were selling like, you know, the top 1% of cars, right? That's like how you started. And I can just like imagine that old Janelle that was like basically like revolving around cars all the time. But it's been very difficult to tell them, to tell her, oh, yeah, you got to do all these practices and you got to do this and you got to do that. Some people want quick fixes. I don't actually judge them, but I think the best way to your point is to try and go on a journey with products where consistency is key and let the products work over time.
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It's funny that you say that because I initially went to school for kinesiology. My two passions are bodies and cars. Ended up in the luxury automotive industry on accident. But if you slice me open, you'll see some Aston Martin in there too. You know, like, I feel very full circle now because I realized leading up to 2020, working with the very high profile clientele, that it doesn't matter what you have or how much you have, sometimes people still need the permission to tap into healing and do things for themselves. And so now I have the opportunity. You know, I work for O'Gara Coach Company in Beverly Hills, which has every Franchi except for Ferrari. And almost two decades of my life, very, very amazing. And now I'm working with those clients with helping their bodies be as good as their cars, you know, better and connect. It's just, it's amazing. So our body is an amazing engine. It's our vehicle for life. So now that you know, I am able to make the mind shift and tap into to the rituals. Like you're saying, like, it absolutely is my life. Like you learn early on, we get into business doing things that we're passionate about because we want to help people. But business is hard, life is hard, parenting's hard. So like, it's so important. My dear. Melissa Saunders always reminds me of this, like, just how important our self care is and just being in that flow, you know?
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Yeah. How many of those high, like high network individuals are like, how many of them would you say have kind of abandoned self care because they kind of sacrifice everything to the, to this one goal of, of, you know, making money or becoming successful. And how many of them are, you know, obsessed about, you know, perfecting everything in their life and like, their body is one of those things?
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A lot, a lot. Because I think our value is so much put on. Especially, you know, I'll say Beverly Hills, you Know, it's just so much put on our looks, what we have, our successes, that we very, very disconnected from ourselves. So one thing I felt so magnetic about, I love being in the community is just being my authentic self. Like, it draws people and they. It brings that out in them. That's all I want to do. I want to help people truly be their authentic self while they're on their planet, on this planet. So they could just tap in because I feel like that's. We're here for a journey, right?
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Yeah.
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And so the answer is a lot, but we're breaking that up and wellness is happening. You know, we're doing drives to go do sound healings and be outside and in nature and tapping in and it's. It's really beautiful. I believe in the ripple effect. So whether that's doing my doula work and. Because I know postpartum ripples through our communities. Yeah, I know. You know, I mean, so. So whether it's that or if it's someone of very high profile and the ripple effect, because people are listening to them, you know, So I just try to like, plant seeds wherever I can and help where I can. And I know that, that, that all. That's nice.
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That's nice. It's very interesting that that's something because I look in a community, a lot of things you do in a selfless manner more than like in obviously New York or if someone lived, you know, walked around in the Strip in Vegas, is you're going to do less or you're going to have. You're going to be less inclined to like, be generous towards someone you don't know or something like that, even if you are a generous person on average. And the reason is, I think in a community, when we have a community around us, we understand that how like the betterment of the community. Community actually better as ourselves. And that's one of the things that I felt in the biohacking community. And people can the name biohacking all they want. I actually love the name in my. It's.
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It's hard. You know, there's been a lot of, like, we shouldn't say that, shouldn't do that. But I really feel like that's the action that I've taken. And for me, it's like, you know, it's. It's mindset. It's all these things put together. But biohacking is the action that we do, you know, and it takes. I love it so much because it takes us being involved, you know, and most of the Things we do ametite will help enhance the intuition and clear things out. So then people are just like, oh, you know, it's just removing those layers and letting go.
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Yeah, yeah. I'm reading a book which is. Which was recommended to me by. By someone that people would know is one of the, like, wealthiest people in the world. And it's called Beyond Entrepreneurship. And it's an older book. It's the same person who wrote like, From Good to Great. And I forget, like, he. He wrote a lot of, like, good books, and in my opinion, it's the best book that he wrote. And one of the episodes, one of the chapters is like talking about how you can use intuition in business decisions and how you can. How you can kind of tap into intuition and how you can strengthen your intuition and what you should feel or what you shouldn't feel. That's how you work with. And now I'm like, listening. I was like, oh, my God, that's not what I hope. What I. Sorry, I didn't hope anything. But that's not what I was expecting to get into it, like, I don't know, episode. Episode three or four. Yeah, very interesting.
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It's amazing. You know, when I first started out working for Augera 20 years ago, it was very much about processes. And those processes are ingrained in me to be able to lead a great team and do the work and everything. But then I took a hiatus in motherhood, had my own journey, and when I went back in 2018, is what I'm telling you, I went back to Beverly Hills, my truest authentic self. And we had became number one in the US before, but we were never number one in the world. And in 2019, I led the team back. I hadn't had been away for a while, and literally the month in and I'm outside doing a handstand or every morning, I'm clearing my team's energy, and we just flowed. It was the most magical year. Of course, everything closed down in 2020, but 2019 was the most magical year because that is truly what I led with, was my intuition and being present. Like, it wasn't. I finally got to a place in my life, and I think that's. That's what being as a doula, I'm there too. It's like, it's. Forget everything I've learned, forget everything I know. Just be present and tap in. Because we do know it. You know, we constantly are thinking, we have to learn more. We have to, you know, and it's. And it's True. We should, we should constantly be learning. I don't associate well if people don't want to keep learning.
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Yeah.
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But there's also a time and a place where we can just tap in because the knowledge is there.
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Yes, I agree with you. Now I have a question for you. As you said, you deal a lot with like high performers, whether it is around cars and high performing cars, but high performing individuals. But also you deal with high performers in your practice. Like that is, these are, you know, part of the people who come and obviously you don't. I should mention you don't only offer hyperbarics. Like Desert Moon is a legit, I would say like top of the line biohacking facility. Not only, not only because you have a red light therapy bed and compression boots and Young Goose, never mind this awesome brand. I'll talk about it later. But like, and you know, brain tap or whatever, it's also because you. I think a big principle in biohacking is that Tim Ferrissy type principle of like trying to tweak and improve all the time. And this is something I really love. That's a selfish reason to keep in contact with you because, because you always are, you know, pushing the envelope, doing something new, stuff like that. So I would mention that you, you, you do a lot to improve the facility and improve your, your, the experience that you're going to provide around biohacking and that leads you to dealing with a lot of like high performers. Right. I have a question for you. Being someone that has like really, really, really good skin and has gone on through, gone through a journey like the, the, the inception of this conversation of bringing you on was around like, you know, how can you, how can you. Can I have your best skin without Botox? Right. So like, what are some of the correlations you see between like people who are high performers with their body as a whole and people that get like, or yourself that get like optimal results in, in their skin.
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So high performers as far as with like athletes.
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Right.
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Or because the other high performers you were talking about, it's completely different. We're like, yeah, and it's really neat because you know, we do neural check and I always see, you know, the very high performing athletes, they look like Buddha on it.
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Wow.
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You know, and I get the high performer CEOs and it's just they're in the red.
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Yeah.
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So if we could take the high performing we do on the outward and on the inward and bring that together.
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Yeah.
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You know, that's really the best. I don't know if I exactly answered your question.
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No, no, no. So that's a good answer. But I will. I will ask a similar question. But, you know, for example, I'll give an example. So we spoke with. We just did a training for my friend's facilities. He's a plastic surgeon. He was actually on the podcast. His name is Cameron Chestnut, by the way. He also does jujitsu. Like, he's a crazy plastic surgeon. He's, in my opinion, the best in America. And the guy, half of what he posts is jiu jitsu, which is hilarious. It's like wrinkles in jiu jitsu. Kind of like me love that. Yeah. So I personally got on a zoom and spoke to his team. They have, like, four clinics. They started carrying young goose and no nepotism here. I mean, we've known each other for a while, and they only, you know, kind of kind of started carrying a snow. And I was explaining to them how the. The. The people who go and. And they do many things. They do. They do do obviously, a lot of plastics, but they also do a lot of, like, skin rejuvenation in other ways. And the reason we are friends, we actually met through Ben Greenfield, is because the guy is a biohacker. And the reason he's an amazing surgeon is because he does a lot of things around it, including hyperbaric, including. Which you mentioned that you work with plastic surgeons, but including the diet. Everything that you and I think of as far as, like, biohacking, that would improve someone's health. Right. And I was explaining to them that, really, you want to think of people who are interested in improving their skin somewhat of like a skin rejuvenation athlete. The better you treat your body, the better LeBron James treats his body. Or, you know, we met some UFC fighters when we were at your facility. Obviously, the better they treat their body, the best they. The better they eat, the better they take care of their, you know, brain habits, mindset, et cetera. The better they are going to perform. That is their Olympics. No pun intended. And for someone who's interested in their best skin, that is their Olympics, right? Like their Olympics is. That's why. That's what they get ready for every day. You know, better skin. So I'm wondering, you know, from your point, what your journey, the fact that you want to, you know, look your best without Botox and a journey of an athlete that you see, I wonder how. What are the correlations you see there?
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Yeah. So, you know, I think I had a misconception of skin Care. As we aged, being in Beverly Hills in the early 2000s, I started getting Botox early on, you know, and then 35, about eight years ago, I. Nine years ago, I. That's when I went through my whole healing journey. And that's when I was like, okay. That's when I stopped. Just removed everything, stopped doing my hair, stopped doing nails, you know, just because I wanted to reduce the toxic load. And I took a big break. And then it's. I'm not against Botox, and I'm going back to your question about the athletes.
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No, I love it. Go ahead.
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I'm not against Botox or fillers or anything. What I am for is balancing the body. And for me right now, I did try doing it again about two years ago, but I just found my mindset started shifting a little, and I wasn't really paying attention to as much as the integrity of my skin from the inside out because of these quick fixes. And you feel good, but I just have to think back. Like, I didn't used to take care of my. I thought I was taking care of my skin really well, but I wasn't. And so sometimes it's just, like, when you choose not to have gluten or alcohol or sugar, you're gonna make better choices. So I'm all about, like. I guess it's called habit stacking, like, the positive habits and stuff. And so I have. For myself, like, I have experienced that transformation, and with athletes, you know, especially ones that take really good care of themselves, like Misha, you brought up. She's an. She's been biohacking her whole life, like, for so long. And she was like, what's that mean? You know, like, yeah, she's such an incredible athlete, but not just that. She takes care of herself, and she does all the little things. So. And I just. I think it was LeBron that was speaking recently about, you know, his diet and things like that, and it all stacks up.
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Yeah.
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And so we will focus less, I guess, on the parents. I think a lot of athletes do get less. Like Botox and fillers.
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Oh, yeah.
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What I've seen. Because we're not focused on that so much, you know, and the integrity. You know, you're taking care of your liver, you're taking care of your body. It's. It all shows. So.
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Yeah. It's funny you mentioned Misha. The only thing that she doesn't do is ice baths. But she maybe started now.
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She started, but she used to.
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She used to. She used to be afraid of iceman. But Misha Tate, so we were sure, because she's a UFC fighter. Anyway, shout out to Michelle. So it's. It's very interesting that you're saying that, because I didn't actually think about it when I asked you the question. But it is habit stacking does apply to both, I think something that people don't realize is that is the rule of decision fatigue, that the more decisions you make every day, you make poorer decisions. First of all, you get tired of it, but you also make poorer decisions as time goes on. Um, I mean, I can give like a bunch of examples, but, you know, you. You get more lenient judges in the morning. You get. I mean, it goes on and on, but basically we have about 25 decisions we. We can make per day. Make. Well, and everything that you would deem as a decision is there. You know, what should I wear? You know, do I pick up my phone number or wait a few more minutes to let. Let my eyes, like, get exposed to, you know, the correct wavelength of sunlight, as you mentioned. And every decision, really, you know, I.
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Think it's that right there. Like, you see, we have to take the Steve Jobs approach, I guess, biohacking a little, like so much information. People get fatigue. Right. On supplements, you know. But I've also have learned too, with supplements, we got to back it up, you know, and. Yeah, and that's why, like running tests like our DNA and in different tests, we could see what exactly our body uses. Like, I know that the sun is good for me, but my body isn't able to absorb vitamin D from it. So, you know, and like, different things. And so. So that stuff all help for me. Okay, so the Steve Jobs approach for me, everything has to become a habit if it's going to be.
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Yes.
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And I'm not looking for a quick change. We didn't get here quickly. We didn't. You know, like I said, I'm be 46 tomorrow. I have a lot of people I'm helping in their 30s to 50s. We didn't just get not feeling good overnight or age. You know, we have to be patient, but it's really important to get on the bandwagon of taking care of yourself before we have the alarms go off. You know, our medical system is very reactive. And so that's why it's up to us to be very proactive and just empowered in that, but in a way that we could support each other. Like you're seeing our community, I think, is just help filter out a lot of information. You know, there's just. And this whole biohacking and wellness, it's huge booming. So people see dollar signs. So we see stuff coming from everywhere. It's like, ah. So I think this the simpler that we could just make it. And I'm saying that too, like you were saying, not everything's for everyone. So that's why it's like, you know, you empower people, you get them to open up, tap in. And it's really incredible the decisions people can make and the choices when they have a little clarity.
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Yes. Yeah. And when they. And then. And when they tune up their decisions slowly, their habits slowly. Sorry, not their decisions, but their habits slow. They intentionally stacked habit on habit. Hey there.
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A
You touched on two things that are completely separate but that I want to get into. The first thing is kind of what we're talking about now with habits and stacking, which is called the aggregation of marginal gains. This is A term that was coined by a guy that I always Blake on his name, but he was a cyclist and he got the helm of the British cycling team. I don't remember if they started to get good at 2015 or he got them at 2015, but basically he tried to improve everything that is associated with the performance of the athletes or just it with the performance of the team as a whole by 1%. And I'm talking about very esoteric things like bringing like better pillows for the athletes to sleep on at night, painting the inside of the big, you know, you know, trail semi trailer, you know, where they were fixing the bikes. He painted it white so they can do it faster because they can see all the little parts. He obviously like had them, you know, do mindfulness practices and, and imagine, you know, do go through the race in their head. Like he improves many little things. And just for reference, before he came, basically the British cyclic team was like saying some football team from like the Canadian Football League is going to go and go to win like three consecutive Super Bowls, you know what I'm saying? And they started, they have become like the number one cycling team in the world, which is really, really cool. So that is the. Speaks to the power of aggregation of marginal gains.
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Amazing. And I think that's why we fall in love with biohacking, is because. And you're able to start making those adjustments in your child's life now too. It's like those little adjustments, even this hotel room that we're in right now, the west, and it's so nice that bed is so we can sleep better. They have a whole like article in here about like how it's set up so we can sleep better. And I love that. And like, you know, we're, we're looking out, we can look out for each other too, where it doesn't cause that fatigue, you know, it doesn't cause those little tweaks just make such a huge difference. Our body is just so responsive. And a lot of times too, you know, I've, I've trained with Dr. Dan Pompa, you know, like fix his cell to get well is always our belief.
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A
Shout out to Dan Pompa.
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B
He's amazing. And so like he's taught and Mindy, you know, all of them, they've taught us so much. So it's like what I Remember back in 2016, the first six months of my healing journey and I'd gotten pretty sick. For me to, to get here and make these life changes is it was more about removing it was removing the things that had gotten me there in the first place.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And then we built up the health from there.
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A
Yes.
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B
And a lot of these things, like, there's no going back because you feel better. Not because someone's making you, but because you feel better and life is better.
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A
I think when you say there is no going back, though, it, Although it is true, we do need to understand that if we don't maintain our habits and stuff like that, we will, you know, physically, like, go back, like emotionally, physically go back. Like we need, we need. It is work. It's like the work that we all the time kind of go through.
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B
Yeah, it's so true. It's so true. And I, I, I say that, but I myself, I've fallen off and fallen back, too. And, you know, last year was a pretty tough year, and I, I, but what I do is I just go back to ground zero and I'm like, okay, so what's this rebuilding going to look like now? How can I just.
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A
That's so impressive. You are so impressive. It's crazy. You know, within that. I love the Waking Up App by Sam Harris, the meditation app. And I think the biggest lesson that he repeats there, which I, you know, he has a lot of lessons, but the one that I connected with the most was the idea that, you know, you're not succeeding in meditation if you can get to a place where you, you are not involved with your thoughts or whatever. That is not success in meditation. The meditation is getting off track and kind of getting, you know, kind of embroiled in your own head and your own thoughts and then catching yourself and getting, removing yourself from it like that, back and forth. That, that is meditation, you know, that is the flexing and relaxing the muscle of meditation that gets you better and forward, et cetera.
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B
Isn't it funny that you say that, though? Because that is the very thing that stops a lot of people. They're like, I'm not good at this. I'm bad at this. And I'm like, that's part of the practice.
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A
You are a figure, by the way, you are doing this. Like, they're bad. Because that's what I mean. You're actually very good at this. If you, if you get back into your thoughts and then catch yourself, you actually are really good at it.
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B
That's why a brain tab works so well, because within seven minutes, with seven minutes, we're there, and it's just like, but we need to know how to do this as humans ourselves, you know, we're going Back to, you know, when I'm at my best and in the flow, I know I'm just. I focus on my breath. I have a mantra. It's Sat Nam. It means truth is my identity. And that came to me and my journey. And so it's something. It just helps. We have to constantly get out of our own way, you know.
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A
Yeah. And just say that. Satnam is a significantly cooler word than the entire sentence you need to say in English though we should, we should also have a word like that. Anyway, so that's one thing I wanted to kind of talk about, but something else that you said that I think is. Is. Is actually, Actually applies also to. To aesthetics, like the world of aesthetics, but also to biohacking, where most companies in biohacking more than in aesthetics, aesthetics, it's. It's really big companies that have relationship with doctors. And what happens is that the doctor buys a device for $200,000 and it. They have a certain amount of people that are going to do everything that that doctor says in the practice. And at some point they run out of those people because the idea is like, you know, three treatments in a month or, you know, and then you don't do it for six months. Whatever the technology is, most of them are not as advertised, let's say. And then the doctor normally, either they've paid off the device or they haven't. 80% of aesthetic devices actually have not been paid off by the time the doctor buys a new device. Which I think it's something, there's something set up, but then they need to then take the same amount of people tell them, hey, there's a new device, it does this and that better, you know, now do this. And the old device, they, you know, sell it for. For a fraction of the price or something. And they're in this loop. And most practitioners, like most providers that deal with aesthetics don't even realize that the second thing. And in biohacking, I'm starting to see the same thing happen as far as most companies are smaller, but they have a device that technically if made well, should last for many years. So these companies have to sell it for really high because they're like, hey, we're only going to see this client for one time, maybe two in their life. And the biohacking industry is not very big. And the cost of treatments for most things are like so high. Like the cost of the actual device that does a treatment. Like, you know, compression suits until probably like two, three years ago were like $37,000. Now they're like nine. Right.
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B
They're being resourced.
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A
What?
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B
They're being resourced. You know, it's like, and, and we see that even Desert Moon Wellness, you know, we, we see that. But that's why this is, I'm so committed to this on so many levels.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I don't know if this is where you're going with this.
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A
No, no, no. Yeah, yeah, you're right.
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B
With the equipment and stuff. Like, I look at it differently to where some people from a straight business association might be. Like, this isn't, you know, that's right. But I see the longevity in it and I know that we're just getting started. You know, people are. The biohacking word is blowing up. But I will never onboard a lot of stuff or too much. And we wanted to do contrast. I believe in sauna therapy and cold therapy. I do. It's helped me a lot. But we work with a place in town that does it perfectly. And for me it's like I always just want to deliver quality and I really want to help people. I really want to show them like how things can work. And so with hyperbarics too, we've often. It's a, it's a protocol that front loads your system. As I was saying, the healing happens when you get out of the chamber and that this arguably about four to eight hour process of the oxygen coming back out through your tissues. So when you do that on a daily basis, front loading your system, that's how you're able to really upregulate the healing. And it's like we get to this new divine setting where we can finally like look down, you know, and be like, okay. And yes, we do see some people and the healthier you are because it all depends physiologically how you are when you start your sessions, how you're going to respond. And everyone's different. So I can't tell you that 20 sessions is going to do all these magical things for you. I mean, I know it's going to help stimulate your own stem cell production. I know you're going to, you're going to go through these, the sealing process. But every single person is just so different. However, I find even if someone like does like a 10 or 20 and then they're on, they're like, they're off. Like we set them off. Yeah. You know, you finish your sessions. It's so much more than just that. And it doesn't matter what that is with, as long as it's something that really works. You know, with biohacking it really is a process of taking modern modalities with the ancient wisdom and combining them and like, like really understanding. But you've given that person a gift for life and they will be back and they will tell their friends, you know, and that's one thing we learned, you know, even running Aston Martin, Beverly Hills, most my business, it's referrals. It's 90% of business referrals. And so you learn that really early on if you help a person, you make a difference, you know, you don't.
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A
Yeah, it's. It's funny that you say that. Like we are not. But we are very connected with the group of. They're called like lion or sort of something like that. We get invited to most of their events. It's like the Tony Robb people pay like $120,000 a year to be around Tony Robbins. And they have a few of them. But like the main, the main group, like our friends are like that and they invite us to like you know, some Halloween party or something like that. Obviously now we're not going because of the nine year old that we had, nine month old that we have. But maybe when he's nine years old. But you realize like how many people that rely on human connection for their business are there because it's a good business investment. Like just like getting referrals from those groups. Like so a lot of realtors, right. And other kind of service providers. It's very interesting. I always say, probably these guys, if they do make the leap, like maybe you could tell me yourself, like, make the leap and like invest in being in a. Like that or something. Obviously you need to afford that first. Maybe it's really good for your maybe it's a really good life because at the end of the day what you're doing is just cultivating like friends. I don't know, man.
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B
So powerful. My mom crewed with Tony when I was in my 20s. So I went to. I walked across fire to quite a few seminars. It's where I actually met Chuck Liddell, was at my first Tony Robbins seminars where I met my sisters. And you know, there was. My mom was a realtor. There's people of all aspects of Life. And now 20 years later in Las Vegas, I work with a colleague of Tony's who lives there. Her name's Lauren Lahav. She's amazing. And she's now doing this in Vegas. And I'm joining quite a few groups too because it's so important and that the work Tony does is amazing. But we can, we can continue doing that in smaller communities too.
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A
Yes, I 100% agree. It's more about actually I like more the idea of the community. Obviously. Tony is incredible. Very smart guy. You know, some of the things that I actually coded him like last podcast too. But like a lot of things that he has kind of broken down, whether it is like, you know, how, how you achieve like fulfillment or you know, some business stuff that he's done is incredible. But I think the community aspect is the most important aspect. Yeah.
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B
So, you know, Tony's incredible. Read a lot of his book like, but just recently finished Life Force. I was so amazed because this is where like that is a book. You know, each chapter goes into detail. It's, it's really good. I was first introduced to it because he has a whole chapter about pulse pmf and you know, we have a pulse pmf. But then he goes into like Osteo Strong. Just every little thing. I think it's a really good guidebook for anyone looking to feel better and have a great health span. I also think that is a great book for CEOs, you know, and yeah, you know, these high performers on the outside.
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A
It's interesting that again that he sees value in the community, obviously sees value in the biohacking community. Actually that's an anecdote I wanted to say before where I got to. And that's something I feel like it's a good community to be way around. So I got invited to speak together with Deepak Chopra. That's why I went speak together with Deepak Chopra. 2 Very, very, very high level investors. By the way. It was, it was in the, I don't know if you know the game paddle. It's like pickleball. But apparently you need you if you have more money or more interested in paddle. And there is a chain of like paddle places that called Paddle Reserve. So it was around that guy's group. And you know, I'm speaking to people who, who are worth, you know, a godly amount of money and, and they're interested in biohacking. They're interested in the potential or the opportunity, the investment opportunity around biohacking. And you know my favorite conversation to, to, to have with them is like to be very serious faced and tell them, yeah, but you know, if you are an investor in biohacking, if you want people to listen what you're doing and trust what you're doing with their money because there was a lot of hedge fund people like you gotta, you gotta do that yourself, you know, you gotta have a six pack and you gotta go to cold plunge and then do contrast therapy. And you know, I went through the list whether it's pmf, hyperbarics, you know, intermittent fasting, whatever that is, you know, lift weights. I was like, you gotta be that guy or else you're not gonna be viewed as in the community. You're not gonna be viewed as someone who knows what's up, you know. So that was a great conversation. Big part, because I was like the same conversations we had with Jangoose, but on the opposite side. Hey, we can have good products and stuff, but you gotta do the other work if you want to reap the real benefits of using our products.
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B
That is so true. And it's funny you say that because I had a conversation with someone recently about this and I 100% believe it. I 100%. We have, we have to.
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A
No, I don't care about the six pack. I don't have a six pack, by the way.
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B
But the six pack might not always be there. And that's okay. That's okay. It's because again, it's like, it's not linear, you know, but as long as we're. They teach you in yoga, it's not how many times you fall out, it's how quickly, quickly you get back in.
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A
Same thing about the Sam Harris. I love this. I love this. This is really. I mean, this is life. This is happiness in life. Happiness is. Life is under to understand unless you, you know, I'm not talking about people who have like an addiction problem. So I don't want to enable anyone. It's like, it's a. You've got to fall off and, and, and gather yourself and, and, and happily get back on the horse. I love this is really to meet the meaning, meaning of life.
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B
Can we talk about addiction for a moment though? Because the more I learn, the more I think it's not so much addiction, it's connect. We need to focus more on connection over addiction. And I'm not saying that these addictions don't. I know they grasp a hold on people's like on a level that it's so hard you can't get out from under. But if we focus more on connection and what I've Learned working with Dr. Amen over the years, I've been so lucky too. It's like, you know, our neurotransmitters, how our brain's firing and sometimes there's just little things you could do like Gaba and Thea, depending on what's going on with you. That for me, myself, that's what's helped me feel more balanced over the years. And I just think it's so important. And that's, that's why biohacking is so important. You know, if you are feeding addictions and you're biohacking, they call your bioslacking, and, and that's just. You might feel good, you know, for a while. You might feel really good for a while, but it's gonna. So I. And that's why it's the mind, body, all of that. And I, I help a lot of people with addiction now, and I'm very grateful to. To be able to do that. And so we focus on connection.
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A
Yeah, I think, like, I think, you know, addiction and, and cancer are two things that are at the. At the. At the kind of outskirts of biohacking. I think it's very scary to. To try to help those through biohacking. And obviously there are also restrictions around it, like medical restrictions around, like, you can't tell people, hey, you know, this. And that is going to help you.
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B
Yeah, we have to be really careful. You know, we have to watch for liability. And there's controversy. You know, I've heard oxygen therapy creates angiogenesis. Then people are like, well, is that going to create my cancer cells to multiply more or. And it's, it's. And it is really hard to get people to even express protocols. Exactly. I mean, I was talking to a doctor, I won't say his name. He was like, you know, 2.5 for a tumor because it's going to get inside and break the tumor up, you know. But again, it is a scary space. Absolutely. Because you never want to hurt a person. You only want to help them. But those things go so hand in hand. You know, we have to. A lot of times it's those addictions that lead us to. To cancer.
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A
Exactly. Yeah.
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B
Dealing with the trauma, not dealing with, you know, the thing. So it's important, like, we need to be biohacking for. In that space.
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A
Well, listen, Janelle, we are hitting the mark here, but I do want to thank you because to me, I talk about it often within the confines of Yungus. As a company. We need boots on the ground. We need people that we trust and that are experienced, as I said repeatedly in the podcast, that, that, that are. Are trying to advance their knowledge the. The field and everything together. And you are definitely one of those people for us. So if anyone is in Las Vegas and you had, you had too much to drink, the night before or you didn't. Both people. Because if you didn't, you, you care about health and if you had too much to drink, you definitely care about health. Now, I would really highly, highly, highly recommend searching out Desert Moon Wellness. We will be there in December for a 4M and to hang out with you, Janelle, where can people find you if they want to work with you as far as like online, things like that?
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B
Yeah. Our Instagram is desertmanwellnesslv. My personal one is janelleartizone or and you could my email is janelle desertmoonwellness.com so reach out. I'd love to connect.
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A
Amazing. We love you personally. I love you. We love you. Tiangoos. Janelle, thank you so much for your time.
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B
Thank you so much, Em. Lots of love to the family. Thank you.
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A
All right, bye everyone.
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B
It.