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Biohacking Beauty: The Anti-Aging Skincare Podcast
PRP, Red Light & Skincare Myths That Age You Faster
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Welcome to Biohacking Beauty, your go to Anti Aging skincare podcast.
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We're your host, Amitai and Anastasia, the founders of Young Goose Skincare. And today we're doing things a little differently.
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Okay, so this isn't your usual deep dive into protocols and pathways. This is real talk, unfiltered opinions, the stuff we text each other about when we see one more influencer pushing a product or procedure that makes zero sense to us.
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Or another Talo based skin. Never mind. Anyway, so yes, no spoilers. No spoilers even. Yeah, we've built our careers on optimizing skin from the inside out, tapping into mitochondrial function, NAD peptides, all of it. And what drives us crazy is how many so called, you know, skincare hacks are actually making things, I'd say worse.
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A
Yeah. So in this episode, we're going raw and one of us asks a question, the other gives their honest take. You'll hear where we agree with each other, where we might not, and why. Your skin care needs to go beyond trends and just needs to make cellular sense.
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B
Yeah. We're going to call out hype, debunking some myths and sharing the behind the scenes truths no one talks about. Because good skin isn't just about what you put on it. It's about understanding how it functions.
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A
Yes. And if you want your skin to act younger, you need to stop following outdated advice. And this is where real biohacking begins for us.
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B
Okay, so let's redefine how skin, you know, or what aging looks like. For the skin and let's do it. Yeah, for the skin and let's do it now.
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Okay. Okay. Okay. So, all right, I'll start. First one.
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No, I want to start.
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You want to start? Go, go, go.
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Sorry, go. I, I prepared. So anyway, you go, you start first one. Because I really, I, I, it's, it's a question that I love your take on, so I will decide it. If you had to pick just one skincare procedure for the rest of your life, what would it be?
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Easy microneedling with prp. Why? Because I feel like it's perfect Storm of controlled trauma and regeneration. Yeah. You're getting those growth factors from your own body and signaling your fibroblasts to build new collagen. Yeah, but obviously, as we always say in every podcast, but maybe for some of you, this, this is the first podcast you're listening to it. The skin has to be metabolically ready for it, so, you know, you have to prepare for it before procedure and treat it seriously after, like, you know, have Proper aftercare. But yeah, if there is only one procedure for the rest of my life, it's microneedling with prp.
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Hands down, I agree with you and I agree with you about the metabol being like metabolically ready or you know, however you want to like boil it down to have, you know, the skin fitness or resilience associated with, with it. Because you, like, you started, you know, microneedling, then you said, you know, microneedling with prp and a lot of like, we just have done, for example, micro needling with PRP and exosomes.
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Yeah. Stay tuned. We'll be sharing on, on Instagram our journey of like healing from it.
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Yeah, but to your point, like, why microneedling then? Why microneedling with prp? Why microneedling with exosomes? What we're doing there is introducing kind of more help, biological help for the cells to yield good results from that trauma or to heal well from that trauma. But there is, and I'm sure we're going to touch on it today, there is nothing that's more important than your metabolic state or like skin biological age or functional age, whatever you want to call that pre procedure, like how you arrive to that procedure.
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Absolutely.
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You know, as someone in there, like an 18 year old that's, you know, healthy is going to handle no microneedling without PRP, without anything associated with it. Significantly better than a 60 year old that has done that. Have like Nadav on one hand on one side, you know, exosome IV on the other, like stem cells on their face and then prp. So it's really important to, you know, you're the artist, which is like the person doing the PRP or the microneedling is only as good as the canvas, Right?
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Yeah. And what you said is also echoed by a lot of plastic surgeons. They are saying that if you, if you're somebody that, you know, you want to have a facelift done, don't wait until you're 65, don't wait until you're 70, you actually will recover better at 50. And this is a shift because I know a lot of plastic surgeons, or at least I heard them say the opposite like 10 years ago, you know, like, oh, do everything you can delay facelift. And this is like your final act, you know, of beautifying yourself. Like, wait until you're 60, wait until you're 70. And now they're saying no, like, don't wait because your skin recovers better earlier.
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I think also the, you know what it meant to have a facelift as far as like trauma was different than.
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1020 because of the way they're doing procedures these days.
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But even, yeah, like, but biology first. That's what we want to see. You know, raise your NAD levels, clear out, you know, zombie cells, senescent cells with autophagy or a senolytic fast or something like that. Then do you know your, your PRP or microneedling, that's how you get that, you know, what did your you do to your skin look and not what did you do to your skin look, you know.
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Yeah, it's funny, but even like you mentioned that we did PRP with stem cells and exosomes. When you're looking at exosomes derived from human tissue. Right. Not plant based, plant derived exodus, which is bs.
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B
It doesn't exist anyway.
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A
Well, yeah, and that can be a separate episode altogether. But again, if you're going for the exosomes that are human derived and you want to really do your research, you need to think about who was the donor for those exosomes. And the quality ones are donated by females 18 to like about 25. You know, they're looking at their health and these are the, the best exosomes, the ones that gonna carry the best growth factors and signals for your skin to recover. So it all kind of makes sense that, you know, the younger you are, the better, you know, you will take on any kind of treatment and recover from them. So what about you? If you had only one procedure that you could do for the rest of your life for skin. Skin procedure, what would be.
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So I'm going to cheat and I'm going to say red light therapy. And the reason is this, I think this is something that you cannot go wrong with. And when you say for the rest of your life, you know, I need to make sure I. It's not only the rest of my life, for example, it's like what would fit everyone at any stage, at any, you know, whatever that would be that red light therapy, three to five times a week, I would say, because it's first and foremost like a mitochondria hack. It targets, you know, red light therapy. What it does, it basically is like a, like gym for your mitochondria. It stresses the mitochondria in a way which makes it produce more energy, cleaner energy and long term, it also optimizes it so you have more mitochondria per cell, you know, given the fact you're doing it for forever. So obviously it's cheating because obviously we kind of come from that field.
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Yeah, I was going to say of course you're going to do it like you're an expert in it. And that's actually a good, that's a good choice as well. If you know, if you're doing just one thing for the rest of your life, you better do what you're really knowledgeable about.
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Yeah. And I would say. But it's the same way where I think you would say the same about microneedling. It's like it's a very broad spectrum term and then it depends like depth. Like there's a lot to go with it. Like what device? Everything. You know, when talking about red light therapy, it wouldn't be a red light therapy mask, let me tell you. It would be a red light therapy panel and it would be and something good if I had to, you know, was basically on deserted diet and only with one technology. Right. This is something that wouldn't only help my facial skin for example. Could use all over the body actually emergent research showing that red light therapy on the stomach improved like gut microbiome.
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Yeah. So yeah, we actually talked to Sara a while back when she was testing that as well.
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Correct. Sarah, Sarah, Sarah Turner that has a device called Cera C E R A. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And I really hope that on this deserted island where you got somehow yourself too with the red light therapy on that you will also have our ladder serum.
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I mean it's not a real deserted island, it's an island I purchased in that scenario. I have a private plane that I can fly whatever I want. So. Yeah, yeah.
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But the reason I am, you know, quote unquote, plug it in ladder here is because the red light therapy is great and it will do its job. But I think since we are in the field of biohacking which is improving, optimizing, you know, you can now optimize your red light therapy especially for facial rejuvenation. And you can get most more out of it if you apply ladder first. And if you never heard of our ladder serum and the way it interacts with the red light therapy, we have a deep dive on it.
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Yeah. But normally we, we, we cut cut to the like it just doubles the results of red light therapy.
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Yeah.
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But it's a very, I mean does way more than that. But yeah, to, to stack that like, you know, biohacking should be really called bio stacking. Yeah, that would be definitely a worthy stack if you would.
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Okay, I have a question for you. So now my turn to ask a question. Which skincare trend you think it's going to age terribly in the hindsight, as always.
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I'm going to catch some heat, no pun intended, for this. But I'm going to say wave based tightening devices. And the reason I'm saying it, you know, such a broad term because.
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Because those are hot.
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Those are hot. Yes. But what they do is basically.
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And they're also trending.
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Correct. So that would be your radio frequency microneedling, which is very different than the microneedling we talked about before. So Morpheus 8, things like that, or radio frequency in general, and high frequency ultrasound, something like all therapy softwave, that just, you know, Kim Kardashian, you know, got paid a lot of money to. To.
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To throwing everyone under the bus already. We just started Kim Kardash.
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But yeah. So this like Morpheus 8, all therapy, all of those, I think would age, no pun intended, very, very badly. Because it's trauma.
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Mm.
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But not the good kind. Not again, not like microneedling.
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Yeah. And. And that's like, again, I don't want to throw anyone under the bus, but there are Kim Kardashian and other influencers.
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The bus can't move already.
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That, that, you know, sometimes I don't know if necessarily they're paid to promote those services, but there are humans that they make mistakes too. So let's say she, for example, maybe she wasn't paid to get softwave and she did this treatment and she was genuinely thinking. And that's a very hypothetical scenario. We both know probably she got paid, but let's say she didn't. She did this treatment and she thought she looks better and she, she's sharing her life. Like she has like an ongoing TV show about her life and all of the aspects and, and this is like definitely a topic people would want to tune into and see. And then she, she shares the results and she's thinking, she's being helpful and honest and transparent where she's not hiding her beauty secrets, but she's not knowledgeable in. In devices. Right. So she was relying on somebody advising her to get those treatments done. And those people are not always know how those technologies are going to age in the hindsight. So let's say she did this treatment and right now she sees a lot of tightness and she's loving it. But what she doesn't know is that most of it comes from inflammation. She doesn't know. She shares about it with like, whatever. I think she has like 300 million followers or more on Instagram. Yeah. Lots of it happens from fibrotic remodeling so. So she's basically turning her collagen matrix into scar tissue. But then again she and other influencers, they don't know that. So they are sharing what they think works for them. They don't know how their results going to pan out in 10 years. And you know the same thing happened with the salmon sperm facial. She was also one of the first ones to get it done and then we just saw a huge boom because yes, her and other people sometimes have are so influential in this space but again they're just not knowledgeable.
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Yeah. A small note about PDRN which is salmon sperm facial. The problem is that all of it comes from farm raised salmon full of like plastics, chemicals, things like that. Although we are trying to source like wild thought but that's very difficult. So yeah, first of all you're correct. So what happens to the tissue is that it absorbs a lot of water and gets inflamed. So you look, but you look firmer, you look tighter.
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Yeah. And just in case if you got lost. What we're talking about now microneedling with radio frequency or pdrn right now may I switch back to, to talking about.
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So pdrn.
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Yeah.
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Rest rests in its. You know, we're going to talk about it another time but.
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And we talked about it before.
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Yeah, all therapy morpheusate all of those. They create trauma that's under the skin so you can't see it, so you don't understand what's going on. But the tissue under the skin is inflamed. That inflammation creates expansion of volume. Someone looks in the mirror, they think they look great. But that volume resolves itself into very thin like not impressive scar tissue. But that takes like three to six months. So what happens is that people think the rejuvenation has worked and they after like six months they're saying oh it went away. Yeah, it didn't go away. It now is the actual result and the result is not impressive. And also fibrotic, scarred basically under the surface. So it's like the skin, it's like anti longevity. Right. It's like skin behaves older, less elastic, less regenerative and it might look okay on the surface, but you've accelerated biological aging underneath. And I would say 99.9% of people are doing this to avoid getting a facelift.
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Yeah.
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And what they don't understand is that they actually does not, I would say stave off. It doesn't prolong the, the timetable to get a facelift as far as like appearance. And they are making themselves a significantly worse patient to a facelift because the tissue that is going to be manipulated in the surgery is now, you know, after a few times doing it is basically now big, huge scar tissue.
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Yeah. And a lot of plastic surgeons talk about it these days. Like, if you tune into, like, Instagram of Dr. Cameron Chestnut and a couple of others that I don't remember their names, I think one of them is Dr. Barrett. Another one is Dr. Karim or something, they all talk about it. They talk about the fact that ever since this technology came to be famous and their patients are doing it.
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Amir Kharam.
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Yes, that one. Yeah. The patients, you know, it's hard to operate on them. So again, if you're considering facelift in the future, just know that, you know, it will be. Your tissue will be harder to work with if. If everything else we said until now is not motivating you enough not to undergo this treatment. Yeah. So I agree. I think that's definitely one of those treatments that, in hindsight, I think later, you know, people will realize was a mistake.
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Let's take a quick break from this episode to discuss skincare that makes big promises but delivers small results. We know how tiring it can be. Yungoos isn't playing that game. This is longevity science for your skin, where breakthrough ingredients meet real results. For example, our bio barrier formula features LPC6, an antioxidant that's 20 times more powerful than vitamin C. We're talking triple action defense against every type of free radical that ages your skin. And our revolutionary spermidine serums, the first skincare products to harness this cellular powerhouse that literally triggers your skin's renewal process. Every Yungoose product targets aging at the molecular epigenetic level. NAD precursors that restore cellular energy. Peptides that that rebuild collagen. Bioidentical compounds that reinforce your skin's natural defenses. This isn't surface level skincare. This is your skin's biological reset. Whether you're dealing with dryness, signs of aging, or just want skin that actually looks as good as you feel, Yungoos has cracked the code on what your skin really needs. If you're ready to experience what happens when science meets skincare, check out the Yungoos link in the show notes or go to yungoos.com because your skin deserves the future, not just another cream. I have a question for you. What's one skincare rule that you secretly love to break?
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know me. I'm not one for breaking rules much. No, that's more your area Thankfully.
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Thankfully, that specific gene was well inherited by our son.
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Yes, yes. Our son is pretty good boy so far. So far he's only 18 months, but.
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If he's going to be like, you know, he's going to look at something that we told him not to do and he's going to look at you and he's going to tell you. No, no, no, no, no.
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Yeah, that's exactly what he's doing these days. Yeah. Like, for example, when he's drawing on the wall when we told him not to do it, then it turns around. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But he knows already how to clean the wall, so that's very impressive. And, you know, at least he can clean up after his mistakes. Well. Okay. Breaking the rules. So, yeah, I'm normally staying very regimented and I'm very disciplined with most things, including the way I approach skincare. But the think, like, I'm breaking quote unquote rules is mixing Actives. I'm not very rigid around it. And I think the whole like, don't mix active thing, you know, it's a little bit outdated. Like, people act like layering vitamin C with peptides and retinol going to like, just make your skin explode and all of these Actives are going to cancel each other out. And a lot of it comes from, again, like older years when cosmetics was formulated differently. And then again, if you're getting formulas from the same skincare company, I know this is the case with us, they're all formulated like all serums that we make are formulated in a way that they complement each other. They mix very well, to the point that sometimes you can even mix them in the palm of your hand and apply all together if you're really in a rush. Of course layering and waiting in between is optimal, but sometimes you don't have the time. As A mom of 18 months old, I can guarantee you I don't always wait a minute in between layering my serums or products. And that's again, like, if you have well formulated, stable formulas, you can layer more active ingredients than what Instagram makes you believe. And sometimes that's just also viral content. Like somebody sharing like, oh my God, did you know you can't mix vitamin C and retinol and that goes viral and then everyone believes that's exactly the reason, you know, your skincare doesn't work. Yeah, but that's not the case anymore.
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Yeah, I don't know who started the myth that Actives are like volatile, volatile chemicals just waiting to Cancel each other out. But you know, people, I mean brands, and not even us, like, brands in general are not doing like for the most part like kitchen chemistry.
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Yeah.
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I would say like good brands are biodesign using biodesign compounds especially. Again, the way we know how we formulate or how, you know, we've, we've been hired by other brands to formulate for them. We make things either interact with each other on purpose. Right.
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Yeah.
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Or not anyway.
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Yeah, yeah. And then like an easy example I think for listeners would be like, let's say take our U3 set serum. It combines THD8, so the lipid soluble stable vitamin C, copper peptides, NAD precursors in one formulation. And we did get questions in the past like, oh, are you sure you can have copper peptides and vitamin C? I heard those don't work well together. So. And a lot of the, I think a lot of those questions also come from like supplements and you know, injecting things. Like it's just different for skincare. So I'm here to break that rule.
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Yeah, I mean it's a valid point. Like you know, some things that are more reactive, if they're water soluble, they're reactive with other things and the other things are like lipid soluble, they're not going to react as much. Like, I think it's, there's nuance there and there is, there's difference between companies and like what they do to molecules. That's important.
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I think that's the key thing. Like sometimes people, I just, I think they just don't have the mental capacity to take into account nuance. It's much easier to approach things that are like black and white, but they're not. And especially in skincare there is like, you know, any formula is not black and white.
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And I think there's also nuance there about signaling across different pathways. So it's not always about how they interact in the bottle. I mean there's two things like interacting in the bottle and then interacting on your skin, which is, so I'll give an example. Like interacting in the bottle would be like, how would the copper in copper peptides interact with other things that want those electrons, for example, like apigenin, for example, something that you can't, you can't put inside the same bottle as an example. But there are things that people are afraid of how they're interacting on the skin, for example, like vitamin C and retinol or copper peptides and retinol and things like that. So we need to understand the loves a Lot of the times they're formulated correctly, they're going to be interacting with specific pathways that have nothing to do with each other. Mitochondrial function, collagen synthesis, antioxidant defense are actually in different layers in the skin even. So. Yeah. So different vitamin Cs are going to be in different parts of the skin.
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Yeah.
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So it's like layering instructions for repair and not just like, you know, hydration and surface stuff blasted through different ingredients all together.
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So.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Okay, now you. What question you want to ask?
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Okay. So I would just say, you know, that everything we said doesn't apply if you're using, like, poorly formulated drugstore products that have been like, on the shelf for 10 years anyway.
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Yeah, I mentioned that.
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You're going to be shocked, but don't always. You're asking me, like, what would be the rule that I would break. Oh, yeah, that's what you meant. Or you wanted me, you wanted another.
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No, I forgot. I didn't ask you back this question. Yeah. What rule?
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Now is the time to tell about the times that I try to tell.
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You something because you break so many rules. I think. Yeah. I didn't think you would be able to answer this one question, but yeah, the number one rule that you break.
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The rule that I break that I think I got some flack in the past, is that I don't wash my face in the morning. And so I know you know that. So you're not very surprised, but people are surprised. So if I've done a solid, like, routine the night before, my skin doesn't. It's not dirty in the morning. You know, I splash cold water, do a light mist of a secret product that's not out here out yet, and jump straight into my routine, you know, serum moisturizer, sunblock, whatever that is.
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Yeah. And, you know, I actually have come around and I also don't always wash my face in the morning. I still, like, splash it with water. And sometimes because of face tape at night, I like, want to, like, pat my forehead with the wet towel just because I. I'm like, I know there isn't like, quote unquote glue there, but I just feel like my forehead is dirty if I don't do that. But I used to be very diligent about, like, washing my face in the morning with face wash, and I no longer do that. I feel like. Yeah, if I don't wash my face in the morning with a cleanser, I actually, like. I don't feel like it's. It's dirty. And I don't know, maybe it's because I know we, like, invested into our water, which will be another episode, but, like, we have reverse osmosis, so it's like, it's a very clean water, and we invested into air filtration. Like, I don't know, I just don't feel like something accumulated on my skin overnight. And also, I just. Yeah, I love. If there is any leftover from the. My. My evening skincare, I don't want to.
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Wash it off, especially with a. Well, you know, don't want to beat a dead horse here. That's. I don't know if that's the phrase, but especially with a properly formulated nighttime routine.
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Yeah. Yeah. I just really feel like. Yeah, if you, if you're somebody that you're listening to this podcast and you always wash your face in the morning with a cleanser, just give it a try. Just washing your face in the morning with water and see, maybe it's going to be better for your skin microbiome and your. You'll. You'll find out that it's actually what is better for you. But maybe there is some subset of people that may. Maybe they are so oily that, yeah, if they don't wash their face in the morning with the cleanser, they really do accumulate, you know, bacteria on their face. And maybe for them, cleanser is essential.
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I would say that, you know, the fact that we use silk pillows.
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Yeah.
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They're antimicrobial. Does help. Yeah, let's flip that, though. Okay. Let's flip it on its head.
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Okay.
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What's one skincare trend that used to annoy you? Right. But now you've kind of come around to it.
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Yeah. Easy. Face taping.
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Yeah. I just want to say that I definitely was anti face tape when it, when it, when it first, like, started trending.
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But, yeah, I mean, the first time I saw face taping, it was the first time I was introduced to face taping. It was actually for my jaw, but I was given a face tape that was actually just the kinesiologic tape. And it was so strong and it was so painful to remove from my face. And one time, because I was not knowledgeable, so I left it overnight. And then, remember, I left it for a day. I actually had this bright blue tape on my jaw during the day. And I didn't mind. We went shopping and, like, I just didn't mind that it's not my. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I thought I look super cool and biohacking, but what I didn't Realize that it, because it kind of lifts the skin and brings so much blood flow, if you, if you leave it too much, it can be like very hard to remove. Like very painful. And that's what happened to me. Like, I felt like I needed painkillers to remove this face tape from my face. And that was my first encounter of like, face tip. Although again, it wasn't like a face tip that I use these days. And then I saw it trending and it wasn't until I actually like started like, watch the proper masterclass, got an education of how to apply it, actually ordered real good Japanese face tape and started doing it consistently that I saw the results.
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Shout out to who?
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So first of all, shout out to Jamie. Jamie McGuire for spreading the word. She was the one who converted me to do face taping. So shout out to Jaime prior to her. I have already saved a bunch of videos and most of them were by Olga from Natural Face Bible. But it wasn't until Jamie that I actually started doing it. And I am purchasing the facial tape from Natural Face Bible. I honestly think it's very gentle. I have very delicate, very thin skin. I've never had any breakouts or issues with my face from that tape. So if you want to give it a try, I think that's the first, the best one on the market.
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Olga is the one that listens to this podcast.
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Olga is the one that listens to this podcast.
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B
Shout out to Olga.
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Shout out to Olga. Jamie also listens to this podcast.
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Oh, shout out to all of them. Then shout out to anyone listening to this podcast.
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For sure. Yes. Thank you guys. Thank you for listening.
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Yes.
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And but really, to every woman out there who put in time to record videos and tutorials about face taping, like, thank you because it's absolutely natural thing that has. Besides the fact that has a wrinkle relaxing effect, not like Botox, but natural way, it also is like when you go into the science behind facial tape, it brings blood flow. There is just like so many, so many good things to it and to. To it as a practice that I honestly can't recommend it enough. I have put it on my Instagram stories a couple of times of like a poll just to see if people like picking up facial tape more and more. It's almost always that people heard about it. Like the majority of the people that follow me. At least they've heard about it, but they don't do it because it seems like it's an added step and it's just too much to commit to I will say that it literally doesn't take more than two minutes, but it's so worth it.
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B
Yeah, but the cutting of the thing takes an hour anyway.
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A
It doesn't take an hour.
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B
It doesn't. It doesn't. I'm kidding. You know, you should do a poll. Do you answer to poll on Instagram and yes and no.
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A
Yeah, yeah.
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B
100% yes.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Anyway, so you would say what, what kind of changed your mind? Was it like reading the science? Was it trying it first and seeing the results the most?
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A
What helped me change my mind is seeing women beyond 40s that are not doing Botox. They're constant. Like they have full range of facial expression and they're doing face taping and they don't have wrinkles. That's the thing that changed my mind the most. Right. But then why I like what in the science that made me feel like I, you know, I trust that. It's basically the fact that it helps kind of like relax habitual, you know, facial expressions. And then sometimes in our sleep we can like clench brows or jaw. And like I just really saw the difference over time. Like if I would. It took for me probably also just to give you really expectations. I started seeing a big difference, probably like six months in and you might see it faster than I did. But it wasn't until like 6 months inconsistent use that I was like, yeah, there's a, there's a big difference.
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B
And not to throw another thing under the bus, but you liked frownies less than taping, right?
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A
Yes, yes. So I did try frowning, so throwing.
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B
It under the bus. It's.
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A
So I did try frownies first before face taping.
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B
Got it.
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A
And what didn't agree with me is, is the whole idea that frownies is more like a cast. So there it felt like there is a lot less blood flow and there's just like when you compare side by side the benefits, it seems like frownies only help you reduce facial expression and relax your muscles. The. The kind of like over contracting muscles in your face. Right. But it doesn't have any other added benefits but the Japanese face tape. It's like this kidneys. I always struggle. Pronounced kinesiological tape.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And it just has so many more benefits that are like well studied, well researched and yeah, it was just, it's. And also with, with frownies, I didn't like the mess because you have to wet it and then you apply it and then you get the glue on your fingers and just constant face of hand. Like I had to wash my Hands constantly while doing it. Yeah, I just felt like much more messy as well. Like just as a habit.
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B
Got it. That's pretty cool. And again, that's something you can, you know, incorporate with, you know, your skincare routine, AKA Yangus skincare routine or whatever that is. Anyway, so here's.
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A
Is there anything like this for you? Is there anything that you first hated and then you've come around and you now think it's. It's actually good?
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B
I. I would say facial ice baths. I'm kidding. That's not at all that. This is.
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A
Oh, my God, you got me something.
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B
I hated and now have come around to. I'll first of all say infrared saunas. There are studies showing it raised oxidative stress. So I was on the camp of you should do normal saunas because you don't want the added oxidative stress. Because infrared does raise oxidative stress. Not the infrared that we use in red light therapy, but the infrared that's far infrared, which creates heat. But exactly like many things. Like, for example, I mean, exactly like if you are in a hot environment, like a sauna, when you get out, your body kind of rebounds and it actually cools itself off. So you're getting like a rebound effect. You also research show that. That you also get that from that oxidative load where your body kind of naturally fights oxidative stress. You need to be healthy. You know, everything needs to be in line. You can't do it if you have anyway, like chronic oxidative load that your body can't address. But for the most part, if you are healthy and you have good levels of oxygen stress and you know, Clap your hand. Clap your hands. Yes. Shout out to Rafi. Anyway, yeah, so there seems to be a rebound effect that's actually good for you. So I would say this is not necessarily a beauty trend, but kind of a health trend that I and I love. Our infrared sauna.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah.
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A
That's good.
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B
Yeah. Thank you.
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A
Thank you for sharing.
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B
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A
It's a dangerous question. Yeah, okay, I'll go there. So the idea that only prescription retinoids work for skin aging and that everything else is just for fluff, it's just not true anymore. I don't disagree with the statement and I see it all the time on social media. By now there are so many dermatologists that are famous online and that just seems to be like the message they all agree on.
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B
First of all, it seems to me that the dermatologists who are famous online are the most like. Well, just the ones that are the least innovative. I don't want to say anything like.
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A
Yeah, I think, I think, yeah, I think the. The majority of dermatologists that I feel like have the. The largest following, they are definitely not from the field of biohacking. They've never heard of biohacking. So. And there. There are also some really good integrated dermatologists. They do have online presence, but there's. Their Presence is like 10, 000 followers. 20, 000 followers. So they actually. Somebody who will talk about the importance of like, I don't know, looking into your diet before, like for managing acne and, you know, all the things that we kind of talk about on this podcast, but they're just so much less influential. Whereas, yeah, the dermatologist with like millions of followers, all I see from them is like aquaphor, CeraVe and SPF.
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B
Three fingers of SPF.
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A
Yeah, yeah. And it's like all the content on repeat.
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B
Yeah, okay, I totally agree.
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A
And tretinoin.
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B
Yes, agree. Tretinoin, it's powerful, but that's actually not a good thing. Definitely not the only game in town. Okay. We now have. So there is like encapsulated retinol, retinaldehyde, retinol esters, for that matter. There's other types that can stimulate collagen without peeling your face off.
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A
Yeah, I think just when you're thinking about using retinols, you. You kind of need to think about, like, just if you are going to go for prescription retinol, like retinoin, like tretinoin. Right. There is will. There will be constant irritating of your skin barrier and aging is mitochondrial and inflammatory issues. Well, so. So it's just not just celery to nova problem. So just take it into account.
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B
I think I agree. The best retinoid is the one that you can tolerate consistently.
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A
Yeah. Because otherwise it's gone from your system in 24 hours.
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B
Exactly. That's why when we built bioretinol, it's not only like a vitamin A derivative, it's lipid rich encapsulated, designed to support barrier function, but still signals repair.
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A
Yeah, right. It's that classic biohacking approach. So stimulate renewal without triggering chronic stress. All right, what's one habit that's actually aging people?
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B
Can I just say what's my dermatologist thing for me is like vitamin A, but I think. Sorry, vitamin C, ascorbic acid, Vitamin C. But I think we've like talked about so many times on the podcast, but I think dermatologists are like, still there.
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A
Okay, okay, so. So let me ask you the question then. So, Amitai.
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B
Yeah.
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A
What's one thing that dermatologists say that drives you nuts? Like you just.
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B
Vitamin C. Vitamin C. Vitamin C is a. Is. Is a very general name. Ascorbic acid is synthetic vitamin C. Ascorbic acid at high levels, that high levels that are used in skincare is actually, over time is pro. Oxidative. It leads to higher cellular death. And there are like significantly better versions, which, you know, they're. I see dermatologists, like, starting to come around, especially dermatologists who have had many conversations with like, again, with, you know, cosmetic chemists, but they're still stuck on that ascorbic acid train, which is horrible. Horrible as a supplement, horrible as a topical.
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A
Okay.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Okay. Now I have another question for you. What's one habit that's actually aging people faster than they realize? Skincare habit.
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B
Yes. So I would actually say it's not a skincare habit. It would be probably poor sleep from personal experience.
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A
Again, with a habit that translates into skin health.
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B
Yes. Yeah, yeah. But I'm saying poor sleep is by far, without a doubt the number one cause for rapid aging. Number one more than anything on all, all fronts.
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A
And then it obviously translates into your skin aging as well.
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B
People underestimate how destructive it is to skin. I would say there is no ingredient, including anything that you can Imagine including gene therapy, including, you know, the craziest of the craziest operations, whatever that is, that either can work properly if you have poor sleep, or that could, could kind of reverse what poor sleep takes away or the damage it inflicts. Like if you're not getting deep quality sleep, your body can't run the repair programs that reverse or even upkeep healthy cells or reverse cellular damage.
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A
Completely agree. Yeah. That 10pm to 2am window is when your skin gets to work. So autophagy, growth hormone, collagen synthesis, and if you're up scrolling Instagram, you're literally skipping the regeneration cycle. So if you're somebody who goes to sleep super late, hopefully that's going to be a motivation to try and you know, at least some window, some part of this window from 10pm to 2am Be asleep for your best beauty sleep.
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B
Yes, exactly. And it's just saying it's not only slight sleep length, it's also sleep environment, cool room, blackout, shades, stable blood sugar levels before bed. That's part of your, you know, I would say it's part of your skincare routine. Whether, I mean, whether you like it or not, it is part of your skincare routine.
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A
Yeah, no, I couldn't agree more. I think like if you took your preparation for sleep seriously, you will see it translate into better skin in the morning. Like all of the things you said. I would probably like add mouth tape to it.
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B
You know, mouth taping, don't expose your eyes to blue light.
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A
Yeah. Like don't eat at least 2, 3 hours before going to bed.
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B
I would say, you know, I don't know if it's going to be a part of this, of the links here, but I did just write like a tremendous book, which you helped a lot in writing that book. I just was the one.
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A
Now it's just the muse that.
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B
No, you. A lot of the information there is your information. It's just like I was typing it, but you are much faster than I am.
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A
It would take me a year to type this book.
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B
It took me a good amount of time anyway. But we have an ebook that details everything from how to everything, really everything that you could ever imagine. As you can see, it doesn't teach you to speak well, but anything you could ever imagine around.
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A
No, we can definitely share it here in show notes. We'll share it here.
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B
Yeah. So we can have a link and then people can download this ebook free.
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A
That's a great resource if you want to optimize everything, all of your habits and then See how that translates into skin health. Again, totally free. Does not plug in our products. Just overall.
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B
It does plug in the hell out of our product, but it's not about our products. Our product, as an example, if you have. It's funny because there is a comment somewhere. I think it was when I was a guest on Asprey's podcast, I guess, or Ben Greenfield's podcast or let me drop some more names of podcast I was on. No, but like some big podcast and there was like, there was a comment about the. Oh, no, no, no. It was a comment about our podcast. It's the only not five star rating podcast got. Which was something around the fact that we, we talk about our products, but I think it's the chicken and the egg. It's like our belief system is what we're talking about a lot on this podcast. Our belief system is also shaped throughout time and what we learn, but it expresses itself. I mean, we have the ability to make any products we want. So of course our belief system is going to be expressed in our products. It goes both ways, right? It's the chicken and the egg. So, yeah. Anyway, so do you have something, do you have. Do you have anything to ask? Not to ask, but like, do you have anything like. Like what I mentioned? Like the, the poor sleep. Like what. What's one ingredient?
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A
What's one habit?
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B
I don't remember. Yeah, one habit.
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A
I also forgot the question.
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B
Yeah, what's one bad habit?
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A
What's one bad habit that's ruining your skin health? I mean there are just so many. But I guess if I had to pick one habit, I would say drinking, like drink alcohol just really dries your skin out. So it's also not great in general for your health. But if for anyone who stopped drinking alcohol, they've seen huge improvement in their skin health. But also like I'm somebody who drinks a glass of wine or champagne socially and that is also fine. You just have to be mindful that, yeah, the more you drink, the worse your skin is going to look.
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B
Amen. I don't know, but amen. But yeah, it's not. Not good for you anyway. Yeah.
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A
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