Real Japanese Face Taping Explained with Olga from Natural Face Bible

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Podcast Summary

Biohacking Beauty: The Anti-Aging Skincare Podcast

Episode: Real Japanese Face Taping Explained with Olga from Natural Face Bible
Date: December 3, 2025
Host(s): Amitay Eshel & Anastasia Khadiva (Young Goose)
Guest: Olga (Natural Face Bible)

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Episode Overview

This episode unpacks the science, art, and misconceptions behind Japanese face taping as an anti-aging and skin health technique. Host duo Amitay and Anastasia sit down with Olga of Natural Face Bible—a pioneer in introducing Japanese face taping to North America—to clarify what real face taping is (and isn’t), how it compares with Botox and other interventions, how to choose the right products and techniques, and what results listeners can realistically expect.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Origins and Olga’s Introduction to Face Taping

• Olga’s Personal Journey: Began exploring face taping over a decade ago as her friends turned to injectables; she sought a non-invasive alternative.

  • “I was using this specific, this Japanese tape for about 10 years. This is when I was turning 40… I didn't want to do that [injections], but at the same time, I was like, oh my God… There's got to be something.” – Olga [04:09]

• Training: Studied both facial massage and taping across Europe and Russia, learning various hands-on techniques like buccal and myofascial massage [06:03].

2. Misconceptions & Social Media Trends

• Rise in Popularity, Rise in Misinformation

  • Many viral “face taping” videos are actually “face stickering”—random methods with no scientific basis [04:09].
  • Initial backlash, especially from professionals, was strong: “The dermatologists, the plastic surgeons… were calling me crazy… There was… a lot of tears… But people didn’t know what it was.” – Olga [07:07]

• Dilution of Technique: Booming trend attracted untrained brands flooding the market with low-quality tapes and misapplying the method.

3. What Is (Proper) Japanese Face Taping?

• Definition: Application of specific medical-grade tapes to targeted facial areas in precise patterns to help tissues relax, restore blood and lymph flow, and minimize dynamic wrinkles—particularly for those seeking an alternative to injectables [11:36].

• Mechanism:

  • Tape gently lifts skin layers (like “lasagna”) to decompress blood vessels, lymph paths, and nerves, boosting circulation and drainage [19:16].
  • Not just cosmetic: It can aid TMJ pain, reduce inflammation, relieve tension headaches [22:22].

• Longevity of Results:

  • Results vary: Some see quick improvements, others require longer, ongoing practice.
  • Like exercise, effects are only maintained with regular use: “If you stop going to the gym, what's going to happen?… Same with face taping or massage—it doesn’t last forever; it has to become a lifestyle.” – Olga [14:04]

4. Synergy and Technique: Massage, Taping, and Anatomy

• Facial Massage + Taping:

  • Best results come when both modalities are combined to release underlying muscle tension and address root causes of wrinkles [18:16].
  • Facial massage, Gua Sha, and gentle facial manipulations complement taping.

• Application Matters:

  • Random application is ineffective and potentially harmful.
  • Proper technique involves pre-stretching skin with expressions or hand tension before adhering tape—never simply slapping it on. “You don't apply tension on the tape… you go to the end of range of motion, apply the tape, then relax… that creates the crinkling and lifting.” – Amitay & Olga [36:30]

• Cautions:

  • Never tape over eyelids, inflamed, injured, or recently treated skin (like after peels or micro-needling) [41:51].
  • Incorrect application (wrong direction, huge tape, overstimulation) can worsen swelling, cause headaches, or damage the skin barrier [39:54].

5. The Importance of Proper Tape and Formulation

• Key Differences:

  • Only Japanese-manufactured facial tapes use advanced EA technology for ultra-gentle, medical-grade acrylic adhesive suitable for sensitive skin [30:16].
  • Body tapes (especially Chinese-made) are too adhesive and can damage facial skin, formulated to stick through sweat and hair on the body [27:57].
  • Using body tape on the face = “recipe for disaster” [32:02].

• Common Concerns Addressed:

  • High-quality tape should not disrupt the skin barrier—unlike cheaper, generic, or body tapes [32:14].
  • Olga’s tape is gentle enough for highly reactive skin: “The adhesive… is the highest grade medical acrylic blend… [with] advanced Japanese technology… cannot be cracked by imitators.” – Olga [30:16]

6. Myths, Safety, and Practical Advice

• Frequency:

  • Not necessary (or advised) to tape every night; 2–3 times a week is sufficient, and it's best to give tissues rest [60:15].
  • “You don’t want to go to the gym every single day… I always recommend like two, three nights on, one off.” – Olga [60:15]

• Tape Removal Tips:

  • Always remove tape slowly in direction of hair growth; wet tape to make removal easier and prevent irritation [54:45].
  • Redness after removal is common if sleeping on face—try taping during the day instead [51:50].

• Botox and Taping:

  • Taping is a good alternative for those avoiding injectables, but can also be used (after 2–3 weeks) by those who have Botox to prolong effects [45:33].

• Stackable/Non-Stackable Modalities:

  • OK: facial massage, Gua Sha, gentle manipulation.
  • NOT OK: tape over compromised, inflamed, or recently exfoliated skin; avoid after aggressive peels/procedures [41:49].

7. Realistic Expectations & Community

• “It's not 100% the same thing [as Botox], but I can imagine the deep lines I’d have now if I hadn’t been face taping… it’s a great option for those who do not want to go to the Botox route or cannot.” – Olga [43:54]
• Continue using skincare, massages, and lifestyle interventions alongside face taping for holistic results [43:13].

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Guarantee maybe at least 50% or more of those [face taping] videos are not even face taping. It’s probably some sort of face stickering… it’s going bananas.” — Olga [04:09]

• “If you stop going to the gym, what's going to happen to your body?… Same thing with the face taping or facial massages… you have to make it part of your lifestyle.” — Olga [14:04]

• “If you’re just applying some magical skin care… but you’re not addressing the true cause [like neck tension], then yes, those people will see less of a result.” — Olga [14:04]

• “You might as well go to your kid’s room, get some Spongebob stickers and put them on.” — Olga [37:16], on random “face taping”

• “There are two forbidden areas on the face: the delicate eyelids, and the front of the neck.” — Olga [51:50]

• “Redness dissipates by itself. It’s just blood flow, not anything to worry about.” — Olga [55:02]

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Timestamps to Key Segments

• Olga’s Face Taping Origin Story & Study: [04:09] – [07:05]
• Rise & Pitfalls of Face Taping Online: [04:09]; [09:40]
• What Is Proper Face Taping?: [11:36]; [19:16]
• Combining Taping with Massage and Other Modalities: [18:16]; [27:57]; [40:55]
• Tape Quality, Adhesives, and Skin Sensitivity: [30:16]; [32:02]
• Botox vs Taping, Who Should Try It?: [43:13]; [43:54]; [45:33]
• Frequency & Maintenance Advice: [60:15]
• FAQ (User-submitted): Removing Tape, Red Marks, Safety: [51:50]; [54:45]; [55:02]

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Conclusion

Olga and the hosts emphasize the importance of correct technique, quality materials, and a holistic approach. Face taping is not a magic bullet, but when properly applied—as taught by credible sources—it can be a potent, non-invasive addition to a thoughtful aging-well regimen. Listeners are encouraged to seek reliable guides and products, integrate taping with other best practices, and develop realistic, sustainable routines.

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Follow and Learn More

• Olga (Natural Face Bible): Detailed tutorials, science-backed guidance; great for both beginners and advanced users.
• Young Goose: Hosts’ biohacking skincare line and more resources.

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For more deep-dives on biohacking, skin health, and non-invasive anti-aging, browse prior and upcoming episodes of Biohacking Beauty.

Transcript

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Thank you very much. Welcome to Biohacking Beauty Podcast. My name is Amita Eshel.

[C]

I'm Anastasia Khadiva and we are of.

[B]

Course the founders of Young Goose Skincare, the world's first longevity biohacking skincare. And today we have a very, very special guest. Thank you, Olga, also known as the Natural Face Bible. Yeah. So Olga, first of all, it's great, great to meet you in person.

[D]

Same. Absolutely same. Yes, I like I said, I watched you guys so many times on the podcast and listen so many of your podcasts. So fun to be here.

[C]

Yeah. And I've been following Olga for a really long time.

[D]

Oh, I didn't know that, but thank you.

[C]

Yeah. And then maybe like, what was it like six months ago you messaged because you overheard in one of the podcasts that I was talking about Japanese face tape and you were so generous. You're like, let me send you my tape. And I'm like, sure, I already use it anyway, but I'll take it. And I was really happy to hear that you've been using our products also for some time. So. So it just all came full circle. And sometimes you really don't know. You could be supporting a brand or getting inspired by a company, and then, you know, we're all kind of like supporting each other, using each other products, and it's just like.

[D]

I mean, I think, like, when the products are top of the line, right, that's what happens. It kind of attracts, you know, the same people who are looking for the best products. I think it's just natural. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. Well, so since I've been mentioning face taping, we've been getting so many questions. And also, I don't know if it's just my algorithm, but I think it's really universal. Face taping is so hot right now. Everyone is, like, really obsessed with it. I see a lot of people face taping. And so I think there's going to be a very valuable episode because we get to learn from the best. Because from what I know, you kind of brought Japanese face taping to North America. Is that correct?

[D]

Well, yes. So basically what happened is, well, you're saying that the face taping is so hot right now and your algorithm is full of the videos. I want to say immediately that guarantee that maybe at least 50% or more of those videos are not even face taping. It's probably some sort of a face stickering. I don't even know what people are doing now, but it's going bananas. And what happened is I was using this specific, this Japanese tape for about 10 years. This is when I was turning 40. And most of my friends who were also like, you know, turning 40 or about that age, they, of course, we started all seeing wrinkles and the signs of aging that we didn't love. We didn't like it. We wanted to do something about it. And the majority of my friends started going the typical round of injections. I didn't want to do that for whatever many reasons, but I didn't want to do that. And. But at the same time, I was like, oh, my God. I'm like, forehead wrinkles. I can see the wrinkles in my photos. Like, I don't like it. What do I do? There's got to be something. So I started, literally started looking for alternatives. And at first I landed on facial massages and face taping as well. I didn't know what the hell is that, didn't know anything about it, but was so kind of like, invested immediately in it because it kind of made sense. And I spent at Least a year at first, initially studying. So I went abroad, I went to Europe, I went to Russia. I was like doing a whole bunch of. Attending a whole bunch of different schools and learning different methods and so on.

[C]

Were you studying facial massage or facial taping or both?

[D]

Both, yes. Just different variations of massages, like including the buccal massage, you know, the one you go inside the mouth and myofascial and some osteopathic techniques, like a lot of things. And of course started using the tapes and loved it. Immediately got obsessed with it. Immediately made so much sense. And also already I started seeing some improvements, differences, and that's it. And that's just like going and going for years and then Fast forward to 2020 when we got on the lockdown and my kids got me hooked on TikTok because we were all at home. We lost our jobs, basically. We were sitting at home doing nothing. And I posted one of my. Just posted the video of me doing some face taping and it blew up. But it wasn't like, this is the trick. It, it wasn't welcomed as it is now. It was taken by such a negative.

[C]

People were ridiculing it, right?

[D]

Oh my God, it was insane. The dermatologists, the plastic surgeons, the injectors, regular people were calling me crazy, this and that. There was like a lot of. Actually, I went through quite a few sleepless nights with the tears, you know, all over, like, oh my God, what's going on? This is like, I'm like literally showing the best thing that I thought. But the thing is that I did not realize that people didn't know what it was. To me, I thought people knew what face taping is because back from my studies and everything, everyone around that field knew what face taping is, Right. And I thought, okay, everyone knows it. But no, it was not popular here in the US at all. Like, at all. And yes, Those, my first TikTok videos really kind of put the start to it. It kind of like paved the way now to a whole bunch of other people who are showing it, you know, brands who are selling many different tapes, not specifically face tapes, but whatever. Yeah, so that's how it kind of started. And then I realized, oh my God, people don't know what it is and they want to know what it is. And I just kept going shar carrying different things and. Yeah, yeah, so, but another thing, like, see, I thought we're going to be talking more about the face taping. Maybe we're going to be talking about face sweating because I'm getting a hot flash now. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but that's what it is. And this is one thing that I wish the face taping or Yang Goose products or anything were able to help because I'm dealing with this now for, I don't know, six months and I don't know what to do.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

So this is what's happening.

[C]

Well, I don't think people can tell on video too much. And then most of our people are listening, but I can if they can tell.

[D]

I mean this is actually also another thing to show. This is what we are women are going through. We are dealing with, you know, Botox or face tapes or hot flashes or you name it, you name it and then that's. It is what it is.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

So I do have, you know, I have a. You've kind of answered the first question that I had which was how you, how are you experiencing the rise in popularity? Because it's very different when you're in the eye of the storm. Right.

[D]

I'm devastated. Yeah, yeah, I'm devastated. But imagine if this is, first of all, it's like my baby.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Imagine your spermidine infused skin care. Right. All of a sudden, which is great. Right. It would get huge popularity. Right. And everybody wants to use it and everybody wants to know what it is and understand what it is. But at the same time with everything good comes a lot of negative aspects.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Because unfortunately brands and people, they who have not had any education in the method, in the product, but they want to make some money, they want to jump, they want to be part of the trend, they want to get the views for the videos, they of course want to get their hands on this modality. But without any background, without any education, without even basic knowledge and they basically, you know, butcher it.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

So imagine if this permitting skincare, you know, became available everywhere at the Walmart and Target. That would not be a top notch product. That would be some probably synthetic crap or poorly, poorly formulated product. And. But everybody would know about it and say, oh, I use spermidine in my skincare. No you don't. You use some kind of a. What is this? What are you using? You're not using the real stuff.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I see. You know, first of all, it's true and it's obviously when you, when you give me or us an example about something that we hold near and dear, it makes perfect sense. Before that, I think maybe in order to make for it to make more sense, maybe we should, maybe you should explain to us and people who are listening, who maybe really they don't understand the nuance. Like what is face taping?

[D]

Yeah, well, first of all, the face taping, it's the method where we apply specific tapes on the face in a specific manner that help our tissues to function better and in turn, of course help control, improve, reduce, prevent some of the aging signs of aging we see, including wrinkles. And this is great for people who, let's say, don't want to do Botox, People maybe who cannot afford Botox, maybe people are pregnant or breastfeeding. Again, they cannot do Botox and they can try this very affordable, very quite simple modality to learn and use on themselves at home and see great results.

[C]

Yeah. And so from what I, I understand about face taping and then I guess also the kind of the notion that, you know, most people get a face taping first and foremost, it really helps with dynamic wrinkles because it kind of, you know, relaxes the tissue, Right. It doesn't freeze the muscles the way the Botox does, but it relaxes. And then if you sleep overnight, you again, your muscles weren't contracting in that manner that makes those wrinkles, you know, deeper and creates wrinkles. But then what about the length of the results? Because what I think deters a lot of people from using face tape is that, oh well, actually if you look into scientific literature, like there are studies from PubMed and others and their conclusion really is that the results are very short lived. However, I'm looking at your skin and it doesn't seem this way.

[B]

Like, you know, they applied it for half an hour. The results that they, they show like it's an hour worth of results. Like yeah, they applied it for half an hour.

[C]

Yeah. So I think, I think let's, let me formulate my, my question a little bit more concise. So you kind of gave the, the, the background about what is this is now for a person that is right now not doing face taping and they start introducing face taping, what is it that they will see at first and what results can they hope for with consistency?

[D]

So it's of course also very individual. For example, if you ask if two people are starting to go to the gym to work out, right. One person might see the results faster than the other. It really depends on many factors, including your tissue's ability to respond to the product. Same would be with the skincare. And you guys all know it, right. For some people there's less of a damage accumulated in the tissues, so the response will be faster. For other people it's going to be, you know, deeper seated and et cetera, different things that happen inside. And same with the face taping. So everyone can go onto my Instagram and I have a highlight title, before and after. And it's fascinating to see because there are women who have allowed us me to share their results. And many of them are not some 25 year old women or 35, you know, they're older, mature women, some of them with deeper wrinkles. And some people give me the timeline. Some people say, oh my God, I just used it for a week and I already see results. Other people are like, oh my God, I'm using it for a month, I'm not seeing much. You know, what else can I do? What am I doing wrong? And again, it goes to a. Your tissue's ability to respond, the level of how deep is the seated damage that accumulated. Where's the tension coming from? Remember, the tapes can only address the top surface of the tissues. It cannot go into the deeper levels. It cannot go into the correlated areas that could be contributing to your wrinkle. And people don't know this stuff. But for example, the frown wrinkles, right? Right here. This is all based on anatomy and the physiology and how our body functions. But this area, we have a bunch of muscles connecting. We have the facial, the cranial bones that connect in this area. This area is tightly intertwined with the occipital, which is the back of the head, the back of the neck. So the tension from those areas can be making your frown wrinkles worse. And if you're just applying some magical skin care that says you can reduce some wrinkles, but you're not. Or the tape, right, but you're not addressing the true cause of it, which could be coming from tension of the neck, then yes, those people will see less of a result, or I mean, and it will take longer time. But then again, you know, like I say when we go to the gym, right? This is what people don't realize. If you stop going to the gym, what's going to happen to your body? You're going to pretty soon start losing the results that you worked for. Same thing with the face taping or facial massages or any natural modalities. Botox, by the way. The same way in three months or something, you have to go back and do it again. So same thing here. It doesn't last forever. It has to be part of your lifestyle, part of your skin care. So you take another extra a minute and a half after your skincare to apply the tape. And that's how it is.

[C]

Yeah. And I think here while you were answering, you kind of like led to my second question that I wanted to ask. And it's really about the facial massages. So for you it's really 50. 50, right? Or how would you like, would you say that? You know, for people that take on facial tape, as, as you were saying, you have to figure out your root cause. And I think in today's world we are all on our phones or computers, so there got to be like muscle tension, you know, everywhere, shoulders, neck, back of our head for everyone. So I think everyone could benefit from facial massages. And, and that's kind of like should I. The way I see facial taping actually is like you have to do both, like you have to do, combine it with some facial techniques to release the tension.

[D]

So those people who do it, both who combine it with some sort of other modality, whether it's the facial massage, could be gouache or you know, some people like to do other things. It will definitely speed up the results and it will create a longer lasting results. However, I do have many of my followers and my, in my community, my customers who only do face taping and they still, still are happy with their results. For those who are not happy, then I tell them, okay, let's introduce something else. Let's start with some of the massages. Let's relieve some of the tension in the neck or in the scalp or in your, you know, muscles. And yeah, and then they get a much better results.

[C]

I see. And when, when we're talking about for the people that only doing facial tape, so, so the results are coming from relaxing the muscles and bringing blood circulation.

[D]

Or what this is, I think the best way to describe it would be for all of the listeners. If everyone can visualize a lasagna. Just close your eyes and visualize the lasagna. And in lasagna we have several sheets of the pasta, right? So those several sheets of the pasta will, would represent the different sheets of our tissues, layers, skin, fascia, right, let's say muscles and then so forth. And in between those lasagna, lasagna sheets, the pasta sheets, we have interstitial space, we have blood receptors there, the blood vessels, we have lymph vessels, we have pain receptors, we have nerves and so on. What happens when we apply the tape? Oh, and imagine so all of this lasagna, right? The pasta sheets with all of the things in between. When you compress it, imagine those little pieces of meat inside Those blood vessels and lymph vessels and everything get compressed. When they get compressed, they can't function very well. It's just very hard for the blood to seep through, for the lymph tube exit out and so on. The inflammation accumulates, the pain receptors get compressed, and that's why you feel the pain. And that's actually, by the way, why taping works and why the studies were done specifically on the TMJ issues and why it helps people. So when we apply the tape, the tape mimics our skin. Again, proper tape and proper applications. It mimics our skin. It acts as a magnet, lifting tiny bit, the top layer of lasagna sheet and then all of the layers down there, the top layers have a chance to decompress and all of those little blood vessels and everything that we discussed have a chance to decompress again. Once they decompress, our tissues are able to receive more blood to get a better oxygenation, for the lymph to flow more freely, for the pain receptors to decompress, for our nervous system to reset. And that's why so many people get relieved. I mean, me, myself, of course, get relief from taping, let's say, on the tension, for the tension of the neck. They apply the tape and oh, my God, all of a sudden the tension kind of goes away. The studies were done for the TMJ issues. When people used the tape, they had improved functioning, including the mouth range opening, the less inflammation, of course, less swelling that is often associated with the compression of the TM joint and so on. So it really is not a beauty tool, you know, but it really is a medicinal tool in a way.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

That allows our tissues to function better. And like, you guys know better than anyone, right? That what would be the probably number one thing for our skin to age?

[B]

Slower blood supply.

[D]

Exactly.

[C]

I mean, there are many. But yeah, this is definitely one.

[D]

But definitely that would be probably right.

[B]

So, yeah, lack of blood would definitely be the thing that.

[C]

Yeah, I know. It starts from the skin.

[D]

If we have a chance with such a simple method, go to sleep and overnight this, the tape is like our best assistant is helping our blood to surge better into the tissues, to do the circulation, oxygenation, bringing all of the nutrients, and then, you know, the venous outlook outflow, the lymphatic drainage and all of that. So this is why it's so amazing. And I don't know if you guys know, but the taping started, the body taping started back in the 70s. There's a Japanese American, Japanese doctor who invented this kinesio tape to help his patients recover better after. Exactly. Athletes. And then in the 80s, it became so popular when Olympic athletes walked on the opening game, you know, on the Olympic games, covered in different tapes, colored tapes on the bike. What is that? But that's what it is. But imagine the Olympic athletes, the teams, those teams, they have the best doctors in the world catering to those athletes, and they found something that was helping their athletes perform better. And that's how it is. Then later, just maybe about 15 years ago, that from the body taping was adopted by the beauty practitioners into the face taping.

[C]

And it started in Japan as well.

[D]

No, no, no. It did not start in Japan at all. And it's still not popular in Japan. The face taping started in Europe, like Eastern Europe. Yeah, Russia, those areas mostly.

[C]

But the tape is Japanese.

[D]

The tape. So the American Japanese doctor, he was the one who invented the kinesio tape. The. The tape that I use, the Japanese tape. This is the difference between all the other tapes because A, it is manufactured in Japan. It's not manufactured in China. And you know, in Japan, they have the strictest, basically rules and regulations on the product manufacturing. They're like, very thorough. And A, it's manufactured in Japan. B, it has ea A technology, which is a very advanced Japanese technology, making the adhesive and the tape very, very delicate, which is exactly what our delicate facial skin can handle. We cannot use the regular body tapes that. Those colored ones. And I think I heard a little bit you were saying on the podcast, that's when you started. You had an experience with that?

[C]

Yeah, actually I was going for buccal massages to a Russian lady. And then she undergone some training in facial. Facial tape. But she was very honest that she. In a kinesiological tape, that she's not that fluent in the technique. So she was doing amazing buccal massage and was helping with my tmj. But she was like, listen, I really know that if you get the tipping right, it could really give you the permanent TMJ relief. And then she like, FaceTimed with her instructor back home. And then she ended up putting the body tape on my face. And what I ended up doing is that I left it for a lot longer than she told me. She told me basically the massage, let's say, was like at 4pm she's like, here, use it overnight. And then I slept with it, and I did feel the next day that I, like, while the tape was on, that I'm even less pain than usually. So I Was like, I'm just gonna be walking around with bright blue tape. We even went shopping him and I am. And he liked that I have this tape that I'm such a biohacker and like I don't care. Walking around with this bright blue kinesiologic tape. And I was like, I'll do whatever for pain relief. I don't care either. But then it was so painful to remove. Oh my God. It was so painful because it was body tape and it was left for too long.

[B]

Because we need to understand a couple things. First of all, people don't care. That's number one. I like, I can give all the excuses to companies like Katy Tape or whatever. It doesn't matter. By the way, not a bad company at all. However, first and foremost you're at the end of the day, you're sourcing it from a Chinese manufacturer that the adhesives that they use are the adhesives that they have access to in their pipeline and they're just the most convenient to use. And the other thing is when you talk about athletic tapes and you know the best case scenario you could imagine is that the, the need in a, in a, you know, free, free trade world, the need is what dictates the, the manufacturing like that, that's best case scenario. And that means that for the most part, and I can talk myself as someone who's been using kinesiological tape for over 10 years for sure is that you, you need it to, for, for a certain extent to withstand sweat.

[C]

The body tape.

[B]

Yeah. And the best companies in air quotes within the, the best adhesive manufacturers in the world, what they would do is they would actually have water activated ingredients which would actually make the adhesive change its properties to be even more sticky when it's wet. It doesn't work that well if it's soaking wet. But you, you know, you sweat, your skin gets moist just enough to actually make it stronger. Especially in the face where you make a lot of sebum etc. So you're actually working, you're like that's the perfect storm. As far as, like that's the most wrong thing is actually use a really good body tape on your face because you are the perfect candidate for someone to have an over adhesive product.

[C]

Yeah. And I do want to bring it back to Olga's tape. So when I first started using it I was very nervous about my skin because my skin is very, very delicate. It's very thin and it's, it's very reactive. Like my Skin and I, we have very open communication. So usually, you know, when I try a different product, a skincare product or anything, like my skin can react and I can get like redness and bumps and itchiness. And it really never happened to me with a tape. Like I didn't go through any adjustment period. So the adhesive that is used in these Japanese tapes, it's like really is for my skin. It turned out to be great. And then when I put a poll of questions ahead of this episode, I actually got a couple of DMS and like people messaging in a question box that they considered face taping. But the only reason they've never tried is they like a, they don't like the idea of adhesive on their skin. Like, you know, it doesn't really align with their like non toxic natural living or they're just really afraid that their skin quote unquote will freak out, which a few people message that. So can you address that part of like what type of adhesive this is? Because I can attest that it's very gentle and if my skin didn't react then it's not bothersome to the skin. It's like really not an issue.

[D]

It's the highest grade medical acrylic adhesive blend. And but again the thing is that because it is made in Japan and not just made in Japan, there are some other tapes that made in Japan, but they are not made according to this advanced Japanese technology that this tape is made. And that technology which they're keeping secret, of course. And I know companies who try to imitate it and they were sending me the tapes to test out, but they still cannot crack it. They cannot crack it. And. But that's what that technology is making this adhesive and tape the most delicate for our of course, delicate and sensitive facial skin. And that's another thing. When you guys said that one of the best things for the skin is the blood supply, right? And you know, one of the probably. Well, one of the worst things for our skin would be to damage our skin barrier. Yeah, right, you would agree with that. So and imagine using some stronger tapes, right? Thicker tapes or stronger adhesives. And as Amitai say it exactly correctly, they are strong because they have to their body tapes and their Chinese tapes, that's what they don't have the technology behind it. They just make whatever they can to sell and that's it. And those adhesive and those tapes are designed to be so strong to grip it even through men's hairy thighs, you know what I mean?

[C]

I love that. This is really painting the picture for me.

[D]

How can you like, can you imagine putting that on your face not only once like you did, but like repeatedly, few times a week.

[C]

Oh my God.

[D]

Overnight.

[C]

No. That will definitely disrupt the skin barrier. This is the foundation of skin health.

[D]

Recipe for disaster for this. Even if you don't see that damage right away on the skin barrier, that's going to be an issue for the longevity of the health of your skin barrier.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely.

[A]

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[B]

I want to go back to the kind of the way of which tape is being applied. So what I know from, you know, normal kidneys logical tape application is that you want to have some tension when you apply it because you do Want some skin kind of wrinkling, crinkling, whatever that is called. And that does part of that lifting of the skin to allow for nutrients to come in, lymphatic flow, etc. Does that also apply to face taping or less the case, yes.

[D]

But here's the thing that like you're talking about the body taping and of course on the body we have a larger muscles, a larger area to cover and so on, on the face. And that's why when in the beginning I said it's a disaster that what I see on the social media now, people are just randomly sticking pieces of tape anywhere they see a line or I don't know what they're doing. But yes. So the tape supposed to be applied in a special manner and, and on the face we don't just stick the tape, but we do certain facial maneuvers. For example, in some applications we open our mouth for the muscles to elongate to pre extend the area of application. On the other areas we might pull a little bit with our fingers and so on. On the neck we also like, we kind of like stretch the neck and we apply the tape in that manner and that will create some of those convulsions that you are talking about.

[B]

And that's what I'm hearing, I'm hearing instead of you like randomly pulling the tape and then sticking it, you don't apply tension on the tape rather than you're going to the end of kind of range of motion of where exactly that area is. And then when you apply the tape naturally and relax, that creates exact crinkling.

[D]

Exactly. And that's going to create that lifting effect and the decompression and so on.

[C]

Right.

[D]

And that's why, you know, that's what I'm seeing, that's what's so bothering me that the brands who create like they go to buy all these little pieces of tape and then they give tutorials like what are you doing? Just friend. Like this is you're not doing anything. You, I don't know, you might as well go to your kid's room, get some spongebob stickers and put them on.

[B]

That can be a trend by the way.

[C]

Actually speaking of that, I do have a question. So as much as because the more you talk about it, the more I understand that there is proper way of applying tape can like really interact with our biology physiology and there's a lot of things happening, would you say that the opposite is true too? Like if a person may be using the right tape but applies it In a wrong manner. Can it actually harm the skin? Because I've seen, for example, speaking of, like, people online and stuff, I've seen people applying tape while they still have facial expressions. So I don't think that's really good for them. And then, yeah, I've also seen, like, I've seen people basically taking the tape, making triangles out of it. So they, they, they take the perpendicular shape, then they cut it and kind of diagonally. So now you have triangles. And then with triangles, they make, like, they place them in different ways, and then they say, oh, this is how you get natural facelift.

[D]

Which.

[C]

Watching your tutorials, I've never seen you doing anything like that. So I don't think they really got their science right. So would you say that applying tape incorrectly and incorrect tape, I guess we can chunk it together, could actually harm your skin?

[D]

Well, incorrect tape, like we said, applying it, it's gonna definitely likely, for many, many people damage the skin barrier. Again, if you don't see it right away, but it doesn't mean it's not, you know, getting that damage. Applying the tape incorrectly in an incorrect direction or manner. Yes. A. I have also seen people, let's say, applying lymphatic drainage applications in the wrong direction, which we want to open up those lymphatic drainage channels, Right. For the fluids to exit out, to drain out. But then when we are redirecting, in a way, the passageway, it's like, what are you doing? Absolutely. The knowledge of anatomy, the physiology, the basic functions, is crucial for the tape to be applied correctly. Again, you don't need to be learning all of that. For example, I have a guide where I show all this, and you can basically just repeat and follow what I do and you'll get it correctly. Also, a lot of people can overstimulate tissues. I see people applying a huge tape on the forehead, like a big piece covering the entire forehead. And even brands also now make those one piece that goes across the entire forehead.

[C]

Those from silicon. I've never seen those from silicon.

[D]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot now. So that can absolutely overstimulate tissues. That can actually cause headaches. And. Yes. So there are a lot of nuances that should be. Follow it. But again, just like, let's go get back to the gym. Right. You can be doing great exercises, but doing them completely incorrectly, and that's gonna traumatize your body.

[C]

That can actually.

[D]

That's exactly the same thing.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. So you mentioned gua sha.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

You mentioned facial taping.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

What are Some of the things that you would, you know, that you have seen that would. Other modalities that would be stackable with face taping and maybe what are some modalities that you have seen to be, you know, negative if stacked together would be a, you know, detrimental to the, to the results.

[D]

Well, the ones that definitely go well together are the. Any facial manipulation, gentle ones. The massages people like to do. Gouache Gua Sha is great for again like bringing the blood flow to the surface of the skin. Taping would go great with that. The bad ones, what would be the. What are the bad ones? Do you know what are the bad ones? I can say not the bad ones, but what are the other popular ones?

[B]

You see, here's what I would hypothesize because I don't know, maybe things that anyway are not great for skin barrier or that are, you know, causing some kind of imbalance and skin barrier would be. Maybe you should separate them. I'm just thinking out loud. Maybe things like peels, maybe scrubs.

[D]

Oh yes, yes, yes, I see what.

[B]

You'Re going micro needling at home. Micro needling. Maybe things that are.

[D]

Yes, yes, yes, I see where you're going.

[B]

Yes, maybe that's. By the way, that's just what I'm thinking.

[D]

Now, of course you never ever, ever want to apply tape on any injured skin or any skin that has been recently compromised from the peels like you mentioned. Right. Or any other more of an aggressive treatments. We want the skin to be in a healthy, in a good state. We do not apply tape over any active acne, let's say, or any flaring rosacea or any things like that. Those treatments can be great for. I mean you guys talk a lot about those treatments especially to treat some sort of issue. And the face tape, it's not going to treat your scars so much. It will give a little more pliability. It will give softness to the scar tissue which can be applied on the scars. And is it is practiced a lot. A lot of women, let's say after a C section would it's advisable to use tapes on this, those that scar tissue. But it's not gonna be like a major, major game changer.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

You know.

[C]

No, I see.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And I think that really ties it in, you know, because as the facial taping, like for me personally, it's only a part of my regimen. It's not going to be like all encompassing. You still need your all other things. You know, we talked about facial massage. We talked about applying quality skin care, all of the other things that you do for your wellness and for your skin health. You know, it's just a part of the puzzle, the way I look at it. And I. We got a lot of questions of, like, whether face tape can replace Botox, but you kind of touched it on it in the beginning that it's a good alternative to it.

[D]

I mean, it's not 100% the same thing. Right. Nothing is. We can't compare apples to cabbage and so on and so forth. But again, it's like I said, I think my community, myself, I've never had bad Botox, and I can imagine the deep lines I would have had now if I hadn't been, you know, face taping. And same with the people in my community. It is. It is a great option for those who do not want to go to the Botox round or cannot go to the Botox round.

[C]

But I even feel like for listeners that are doing some Botox, there is also, like, a trend of baby Botox right now where they put less units and we don't have to get into, like, whether, you know, how much of less impact that is. Like, at this podcast, we've said it many times, like, a lot of our listeners don't do Botox, but a lot of them also do. And it's like, it's your personal choice. But I feel like even if somebody that's doing Botox right now, they could still very well benefit with facial tape. Like, it's. It's not mutually exclusive because there are some things that if you do Botox, you. It's less advisable, you know, like, especially like when you just did the Botox, for example, and then you do the facial stimulation, you can actually push the Botox to your lymph nod. So, you know, have like, Botox poisoning. But with the tape, it really has no, you know, issues. It doesn't interact with the Botox. Right.

[D]

Yes. In. Well, I always advise not to use taping up to two, three weeks after the injection.

[C]

Oh, that's very important for people that are listening.

[D]

I wouldn't do it. It's. Again, we are.

[C]

Because you think it's the. Stimulates that much that you.

[D]

Exactly.

[C]

Okay, got it.

[D]

But at the same time, I have a lot of people in my community who do do Botox, but at the same time, after a couple of weeks, they start doing the face taping, and that prolongs their Botox.

[C]

That's what I would imagine happening. Yeah. So you can do it less frequently.

[B]

I do have a question around skin sensitivity. So what I noticed myself, I, I don't face tape but I do tape. You don't need to, but I tape my nose to expand my, my. And I take my mouth. But I want to say about my nose if, if people know that I have, that I have a journey with melasma and I know that if I forget to apply sunscreen after I took off the. No the nose tape and I go to the sun and it happened already a few times actually it happened now I would get a dark strip on my nose. I mean you could kind of see it a little bit. Thankfully with the vampire facial. With the vampire exosomes it kind of fading down, fading down. Crazy. But yeah, but is it something that would be, that would be kind of like a sacred pairing as well? When we talk about facial taping it's like hey, if you facial tape, you took off the tape, you created some stimulation there. You better apply sunscreen there.

[D]

But what are you using on your nose?

[B]

Shitty tape from.

[D]

Why are you using shitty tape? You told ours, ours.

[B]

No, no, I don't use shitty tape. I use a tape that is for. Okay for the nose because Anastasia, they bought another one through it. That's another point.

[C]

Okay, but the truth is that you, you're using. Well you've tried many different nose strips. You're using a nose strip that really works for you at ACT because not every nose strip that you tried worked for you in terms of opening.

[B]

And first of all, let's admit I bought a two year supply of that notes. No strip.

[C]

And I didn't throw it.

[B]

No, no. And then I bought another one which is better and it doesn't sit on the nose. It doesn't actually have like an adhesive on the nose. It just has a little bit of an adhesive on the side and that.

[A]

And then it disappears.

[C]

It disappeared. But I have to blame here.

[B]

But I'm now forced to use the other one then pounds of it at home.

[C]

You are not forced for it.

[B]

Yeah, I'm kidding. But anyway, maybe you're comfortable just as a personal experience, I'm saying there is some, there is some just irritation from removing it. Just removing something and pulling the skin.

[D]

I'll give you a tip. Yeah, don't pull it from your skin, wet it.

[B]

That's a great idea.

[D]

Just wet it and it's supposed to practically fall off.

[B]

Okay, deal. I mean there is one problem which is Lev, our son, he treats it as a, as a game in the morning, as a sport. To put it off.

[D]

Change it into different.

[C]

Let's.

[D]

It's going to be even funner game. Let's go wet it first.

[B]

I'm going to try. He does love water.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

So we're going to try that.

[C]

I think there is a shot.

[B]

So are you saying that. But do we want to make sure that we. I mean obviously like. Okay, yeah, you should apply sunscreen anyway, blah blah, blah. But is it something that is even more important if you've face taped or you're saying no, it does. It shouldn't be irritating the skin in any way.

[D]

If you are getting some skin barrier compromisation from taping then of course you apply the sunscreen. But never happened to me personally. Never had anyone talk to me about.

[C]

Like any further sensitivity.

[D]

Exactly. Never have that brought on to me personally. You are saying it right now and. But again you are using a different tape. Your maybe son is also kind of removing it a little bit.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Yanking it out, I would say.

[B]

I saw there is a famous girl. She's not that famous but I mean like she's.

[C]

She has a following.

[B]

She has a following and she was doing mainly like acupuncture, acupressure points for the face for a long time. But I mean I think she was doing them pretty aggressively. And she also lives like maybe in like Costa Rica or. Or like Thailand like somewhere where you.

[C]

The one that has like a. Like a filter that it has body parts and muscles. No, no, this one.

[B]

Okay, maybe. Maybe that's not what I remember. What I remember the, the. She developed like horrible melasma because I think she was doing a lot of scraping with like you know, guasha or something like that and just started living it out in some, I don't know, Caribbean place.

[D]

No, but then we also know that melasma can be from a hormonal imbalances. So it's hard to pinpoint whether it's from her scraping the face. I don't know what exactly what she was scraping it with, but who knows.

[B]

Yeah, that's true.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

I think, I think it's a good PSA anyway to use sunscreen.

[B]

So that's what I'm saying. Yeah.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, we should do this anyway. But my question. Okay, I got it. Okay.

[C]

We're getting close to a time to an hour. So we actually went through a lot of good questions. But I wanted to go through just a few questions that we got from the poll on. On Instagram from the question box. Now that I'm looking at them, I Think we answered most of them. There is one that we didn't kind of touch on. The person is saying every time I use her tape, well, let's say the tape, it leaves red marks around the eye area. Is there any way to prevent this?

[D]

Well a. I would love to see how she's using it on around the eye area. My recommendation always I say it and then again see people doing this stuff. There are two forbidden areas on the face. It's the delicate eyelids. We do not apply tape on the delicate eyelids. We also do not apply tape on our front of the throat, the front of the neck and leaving the red marks. Again, I would love to see what application she's using. There are possibilities. And I also say to people all the time the mid face applications, I personally do not recommend overnight if you're stomach or side sleeper because well, yeah, you can imagine, right. You're sleeping like this, you're squishing against the pillow, all of your tissues. The tape that can absolutely create the marks along the ridges of the tape because of the sleeping position. And then I always say to people try during the day for a couple of hours. Try it during the day and you're going to eliminate if it's a sleeping position causing it.

[C]

I have. So that I think that's. That really answers the question. I will say that for me sometimes when I apply tape on my forehead, not every morning, once in a while when I remove the tape there is a little bit of redness, but it goes away very fast. And I always kind of attribute it to the fact that a maybe the night before I ate something more salty. And we have. I like I just had a little bit more water retention like but I never thought it's anything bad because I've never seen it result in anything bad. And I've seen it resolve naturally very quickly. So I didn't think that it's anything to worry about.

[D]

Yeah. But also you always want to remove the tape properly. Right. You're not yanking it off, you're not pulling it. You are. If you have even more sensitive skin, wet it like, you know, get some water on it. It literally is gonna fall off on its own. You don't need to pull or anything traumatize the skin. Number two, very important thing, you remove it in the direction of your hair growth. We're not waxing here. Okay. Right. So we wanna again in the direction of your hair growth. When you're doing lymphatic drainage applications. Those are you will see like in my videos there's like the octopus. Right, like with the long. Right. Those are so amazing. To boost the lymphatic drainage, you remove those in there is in the direction of fluid flow. And another thing, the removal you supposed to hold your tissues with the opposite hand and slowly remove the tape.

[C]

But actually what I was talking about it was like even before I removed the tape, I just wake up and there's redness in between the skin between the tape. It's a little bit red. But again I didn't think much of it because yeah, there was no. It would just like the minute I removed the tape.

[D]

I don't know, a minute goes by, dissipates by itself.

[C]

Yeah, that's what, that's what I thought to myself that it's my blood flow, like not anything to worry about.

[D]

Yeah, it could be a blood flow. It could be like sometimes also when I say the mid face applications to avoid overnight if you are side stomach sleeper, it's because like the. The fluids can pull in that area to create the soft tissues get even softer. The tape sort of like sinks in in a way and that creates a little bit of a ridges.

[C]

Yeah, got it. Go ahead here.

[B]

So. So obviously as you said, it's what I love to hear also is that it's pretty easy to, no pun intended, to apply the techniques. Like you don't have to be an expert, you don't need to understand the biology of. Or the lymphatic flow chart right there is like a pretty easy, you know, cookie cutter approach to getting good results. This is great.

[D]

I mean, exactly. But again you want to get that, get those applications from a trusted source, the one who actually had all of that education that you don't want to go through or didn't want or don't have the type of energy, finances, etc. Right. Not from just random people who jump on this trend and so on.

[B]

Yes, exactly. The problem is, is that you know, most people are the most confident when they have a little bit amount of information then.

[D]

Oh, that is so true. My God.

[B]

Then it obviously the more information then after that you have, you understand nuance and you're not as confident. You understand.

[D]

You are so right in that. Yes.

[B]

So I would assume most of the. I mean obviously I can always equate it to jiu jitsu, which is what I like. But most of the time the most unrealistic or the most techniques that don't. That are, that are. That don't apply to real life are done by people who have beginner experience. They have enough to make it look good or make it make sense in their head. But again, it's a lot of wishful thinking and a lot of creative minds out there. So I can understand how someone would take a course, would get all that would. Their eyes will be able to pass over a vast amount of information. They will retain some of it, but then they feel extremely confident and say, hey, if this works that way in my mind, you know, I can create triangles and.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I don't know other octagons and.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And the truth is, like, you know, the first time I started seeing face taping videos, like this video with the triangles and with the face tips, I saved it for myself in my folder. I was like, okay, well, one day if I want to look more sculpted, I'll try this application. And it's like, not until later when I saw your tutorials, some other tutorials that I, I trust more. I've also taken, actually last year I took a course on like, facial massages, like a very extensive course and got certified and everything.

[D]

Wow, that's amazing.

[C]

I just had a little bit of more time because I was early postpartum and I, I. And I actually was so swollen postpartum and I, I was in every video, a picture taken of me, I saw three. Not one, not two, three genes. Like, I just felt very self conscious. So I was like, okay, I got to figure out how to drain all that extra fluid. Which of course is the sleepless nights and the whole storm of hormones post birth. But it, you know, for the record, she looked beautiful.

[B]

I don't know what she's talking about.

[D]

I don't know exactly.

[C]

Thanks.

[D]

I don't know what she's talking about. But then you can also say that. Did you see, did you feel like it was the facial massages and the face taping were helping you?

[C]

Yes.

[D]

No.

[C]

Absolutely. No, I, I can definitely say that. And I, I mean, every time I mention face taping on this Instagram on, on our podcast, because I do mention it a lot because it is something that I really believe is helping me not to use Botox. Like, I'm not using Botox. And I'm very happy with the way my skin looks. And people always say, like, oh, I would love to see the way you apply. I don't feel confident to show tutorials online, like, you know, because I do my best, but I'm no expert, so I just bundle them to you.

[D]

Thank you. I appreciate it. But again, there's a difference between just showing, like, hey, this is what I do, right? And the difference between pretending to be like a full blown expert and then.

[C]

Creating a guide or something.

[D]

Exactly, exactly.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Well, we're about at time. We actually are at time. But there was one question that was asked me ways in many different times and I, and I think we could maybe finish with that. So the question that I've been asked a lot is do I have to face type every night to see results? What's your take on that?

[D]

Well, first of all, a few times a week, not every day, we, no matter what, we still want to give even if it's like the best thing in the world, right. You still want to give tissues rest, right? You don't want to go to the gym to work out every single day. We want some rest. I always recommend you can do let's say like two, three nights on, once you off or something like that.

[C]

Exactly.

[D]

You create your own schedule. And typically, typically you should, the longer you do it right, the longer the results will be lasting. So the less nights or days you would need to use the tape. And then it's also like for me personally and I know for many people, it depends on the season. For example, during the winter, I, let's say don't tape much of my frown lines because I'm not on the sun. I'm not like frowning, squinting, trying to hide from the sun, right. But when it's summertime, I'm outside a lot, I'm on the sun a lot, I'm squinting a lot. And that of course facilitates the wrinkles start, you know, showing up, creeping up, so I tape more. So you kind of adjust to your needs, your specifications.

[C]

Yeah, I love that, I love that. You gotta do it intuitively and like just, you know, work with your own biology and physiology and everything. I love it. I am so grateful that you made time and you came to record today with so much fun. You're really like the wealth of information.

[D]

And oh, thank you so much. But you guys, we're like this new, like new found family together now. You know, we are, we are bound together because we what, what do we want? We want really for people to use the great products, right. We really like coming from a helping place, right. We are proud of what our products, the quality of the products, right. We want everyone to use the best products, of course. We want people to understand and gain knowledge why they're using it, what does it do and so on. We're not just like.

[B]

And I'll finish by saying, you know, imitation is the best form of flattery. It's going to happen. There is no, there is no chance for something that works to stay only kind of pure and puritan. Right. And everyone will just do the right thing.

[D]

And do you know, by the way, there is the body exercises like a body wellness modality that's called gyrotonics. Yeah, you've heard of it, right? It's not Pilates but it's a little bit similar. So they are the ones that are not allowing for their method to be butchered. Basically they are the ones who are keeping it hush hush and only for people who really want to do specifically that. Because like, you know, Pilates too, it started as a great thing but now it's taught all over the place. Not exactly correctly, not this, not that, but the Giratonics people, they are still trying to keep it under the lead and only specifically with the highly trained people who they train themselves, who can teach it and so on.

[B]

Respectfully, I think it's, it's not like. So here's the thing. If you want to, if you want to help the most amount of people, basically it's going to disperse, there's going to be dispersion. Some of people you're going to help, some of those people are going to gain some experience and think they know everything and they're going to try and help more people and they're going to get it wrong. Right. It's like the phone game where you pass a word and then by the time it's the 10th person it's a completely different word. Yeah, of course we know it from, from Yangoos. You mentioned spermidine but there, you know, it happened to us first with nad. You know the famous story that the first product was ever bought, the first order was another company wanting to back engineer and did by the way back engineer our first product Care. And obviously it happened so many times after that, which we're not going to get into now. But I think you can only help, you can only stay like the true source, which you are. You can only say hey, you know, I can't control what you've seen with Mary Jo in good old the University of TikTok, the university of Instagram.

[C]

He's just making up the name.

[B]

It's not real.

[D]

Who is that?

[B]

Hi. Yeah, new one. No, but you can't control what you've seen somewhere else. But you can have integrity and say hey, you know, and what you do. I'm saying this is where you'll find a good technique. I'll make sure I get the Best product for you to use, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And that's obviously what we can see and appreciate. And that's why I feel that we are. Feel very, very fortunate that we work together because we can see. We remember the keto being hash. Hash and Puritan. And now it's. Every product in Costco says keto friendly. Yeah, Keto friendly Sugar. I don't know, like, you know, like you see it and you will see it, in my opinion, probably in a few years you'll see it with biohacking. You know, now Saturday Night Live had the mock. I mean, they didn't mock, but they had Dave Asprey imitation, which is again.

[C]

The, the highest form of flattery. I'm actually very happy for today.

[D]

That's actually amazing. That's amazing. Yeah.

[B]

And some of it was actually funny. I snap awake at 4:30am Nor alarm clock. But, but I'm saying I think in a few years Costco is going to have something like biohacking cereal and it's gonna be just like, you know, just cereal.

[C]

Cereal. With the goji berries.

[B]

With goji berries, yeah. So I think, you know, it's happening, it's growing. We can only stay true to source and make sure that we're doing things the right way. And we're going to be the avenue.

[A]

Some people will choose and they're going.

[B]

To be the lucky ones because they chose the correct.

[D]

That's what I was about to say. Yeah. The right people will find the right sources. Yeah, that's what it is.

[B]

And then there are going to be some other ones that are going to be chewing on. We're going to throw McDonald's under the bus again. They're going to say, ah, this didn't work. I tried the Mary Jo on Instagram and it didn't work. Always going to be people like that, you know.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

But once again, I am very thankful for the information you put out for education. Anyone that invests in your tapes, which are very affordable, it's like $30 for a role that lasts a really long time. Get free tutorials. It's amazing you could have charged for those tutorials. But, you know, they get, they get to know how to apply it. You know, they don't have to figure it out. They don't, you know, it's the best support you can really provide. And then on top of that, you always continue educating. And really we're going to put everything in show notes. But I highly recommend to follow organ, not just for face tape. And she also shows, like, facial massages and she shares other techniques. Like, you know, oral health is a big part of what you talk about, which we didn't touch on today. And it's not the topic of this conversation. But you just share so much and, you know, amazing.

[D]

And thank you guys for having me. Thank you for having me. And like I said, we're in this together. And I absolutely wish you our line. And I know your line will be discovered by many, many people.

[B]

Amen. All right. Thank you, Olga. Thank you, Natural Faith Bible and Instagram. Thank you, Anastasia Hojaiva, Amitai Eshel. Thank you all for.

[C]

Thank you for tuning in.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Bye.

[B]

Bye.