Sex and the City

Summary

Black People Love Paramore: “Sex and the City”

Hosts: Sequoia Holmes, Jewel Wicker, Ryan Graham

Date: June 25, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively, comedic episode, Sequoia Holmes and her co-hosts, Jewel Wicker and Ryan Graham, dive deep into the cultural phenomenon of Sex and the City—the beloved (and problematic) HBO series and its spin-off movies. The trio examine the show’s legacy from their perspectives as Black viewers, discuss character archetypes, hilarious plot points, and the show’s complicated relationship with race, gender, and friendship. Plus, they explore how Sex and the City shaped everything from style to what it meant to be an independent woman in the 2000s, and play a game comparing other pop culture ensembles to the classic quartet of Carrie, Miranda, Charlotte, and Samantha.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Who Are You: Carrie, Miranda, Samantha, or Charlotte?

• Roundtable ID’s:
  • Jewel: “Somewhere between Miranda and Charlotte.” (05:14)
  • Ryan: “I identify as a Charlotte personally. Multiple of my friends have told me that I am a Carrie, and I take it mad offensive.” (05:28)
  • Sequoia: Took a quiz—58% Miranda, 52% Samantha, 48% Carrie, 43% Charlotte. (07:47)
  • Memorable Quote:
    “I think I probably am more aligned with Carrie than I want to be. I hate that, though, because I understand how incredibly flawed Carrie is. She is actively a bad friend. Like, actively.” – Ryan (06:33)
  • Discussion of what makes Samantha the best friend of the group: “She is the least self-centered of everybody in the group… she is the only person who is honest about who she is, but can also step outside of herself to be a good friend.” – Jewel (10:06)

2. The Characters’ Astrology and Archetypes

• Detailed rundown of each character’s canonical (and questionable) zodiac sign and how it fits—or doesn’t—with their personality (23:19–28:47).
• “Carrie being a Libra does make complete sense. She romanticizes her life a lot...this is very Libra.” – Sequoia (14:37)
• Differences between generations of viewers: how Samantha’s “outlandishness” feels tamer today (08:43).

3. Sex and the City's Plot, Iconic Moments, and Character Dynamics

• Ryan and Jewel offer a hilarious, irreverent summary:
  • “Carrie is dumb and she big all the time...big be her up all the time. And probably her ph too.” – Sequoia (13:14)
• Debating the show’s romantic arcs:
  • Carrie & Big’s toxicity (15:45, 17:23)
  • Carrie’s infamous cheating scandal: “If you can’t look at your life and say... someone has lost their tooth over it...” – Jewel (16:48)
  • “Carrie was always my barometer for ‘it could be worse.’” – Jewel (18:42)

4. Race, Inclusion, and 'Foolishness'

• Panel discusses pushback on the show’s lack of Black (and POC) characters:
  • “I don’t want Black people in this foolishness” – Jewel (37:12)
  • “Whenever you force a Black character into a predominantly white show... they’re never portrayed well.” – Sequoia (40:00)
  • Jennifer Hudson’s infamous role as Louise: “It feels racist to me, and I’m not gonna back down from that.” – Jewel (67:23)
  • Critique of token efforts at increasing diversity in sequels/spinoffs (46:35)
  • General agreement that Black viewers can enjoy white shows (40:11)

5. Sex, Liberation, and the Show’s Cultural Impact

• Reflections on the show’s role in pushing boundaries:
  • “It was ahead of its time in a lot of ways—explicitly talking about women’s liberation... making that forward that women want to have sex. That was shocking.” – Ryan (42:22)
  • “It allowed women to be open to exploration and new things in a way that at the time was really special.” – Jewel (45:07)
• How HBO allowed raunchier storylines, and whether the show’s cultural analysis is more intense today (41:11).

6. The Game: “Who’s Who?” in Other Pop Culture Friend Groups

[32:20, 50:11, 53:15, etc.]

• Assigning SATC archetypes to Insecure, Mean Girls, The Golden Girls, Living Single, and more.
• Hilarious, rapid-fire reasoning for each cast:
  • “Issa is clearly Carrie... Molly is the Miranda...” – Ryan (32:20)
  • “Regina is Samantha—she just knows what she wants.” – Jewel/Brian (35:33)
  • “Dorothy is clearly Miranda, Blanche is obviously Samantha...” – Ryan (51:00)
  • “Khadijah is Miranda, Regine is Carrie, Max is Samantha, Sinclair is Charlotte.” – All (52:43)

7. New York City as a Character

• Sex and the City's vision of New York:
  • “New York City as a character has really meant a lot to me... shows like this make me feel I have to be in the city.” – Sequoia (58:06)
  • Discussion of how the city’s energy inspires—“My favorite place on earth is Times Square, specifically at 4am.” – Ryan (61:45)
• Contrasts to other shows (Friends, Girls) and how SATC shot in real locations, increasing authenticity (58:07–58:53).

8. The Later Seasons & Movies – Highs, Lows, and Absurdities

• Deep dives into the movies:
  • Jennifer Hudson’s character and the infamous “Louis” Vuitton bag: “This bag is disgusting. Like, it actually makes me, like, stuff.” – Sequoia (68:47)
  • The bonkers “Louise from St. Louis” plot (73:23)
  • The “Big dies on a Peloton” twist in the reboot (47:15)
  • Outrage over character and narrative choices in the spinoffs, particularly regarding Samantha’s absence (48:22)

9. Enduring Love for Messy Main Characters

• On Carrie’s “just a girl” foolishness: “To me, Carrie is the epitome of just being a girl. Have we not all...been a little silly over a man in our 20s?” – Jewel (76:04)
• The value of SATC: “Sex and the City is the reason we say 30 is the new 20.” – Ryan (76:55)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On being a Carrie: “Every six months or so, I drag Carrie Bradshaw. It is a shtick that I do... as long as there was breath in my lungs.” – Jewel (04:43)
• On Black presence in the show: “I don’t want black people in this foolishness.” – Jewel (37:12)
• On NYC’s magic: “The energy of the city does something to you...it’s magical.” – Ryan (61:14); “I belong here.” – Sequoia (56:59)
• On Sex and the City’s place in pop culture: “Had we not had this, we wouldn’t have the things we have today...it literally opened the doors for so many other things.” – Ryan (43:22)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:00-02:39 – Banter, Mocha Grande, and coffee drinks
• 02:39-09:42 – Sex and the City experiences and character alignments
• 13:03-17:44 – Plot description, Carrie's messiest choices, and critique of Big
• 23:19-28:47 – Astrology breakdown of the SATC women
• 37:12-40:17 – On the show's lack of Black people ("I don't want Black people in this foolishness.")
• 42:09-45:07 – The show’s impact on women’s liberation and TV culture
• 32:20, 50:11, 53:15, 52:43 – The “Who’s Who?” friend group comparison game
• 58:06-62:44 – New York City as a character and love letter to NYC
• 67:23-71:24 – Jennifer Hudson’s 'Louis' bag and movie critiques
• 73:23-end – Big’s wedding drama, Louise’s emails, the “Carrie is just a girl” conclusion

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Final Thoughts

The hosts affectionately roast Sex and the City for its messiness, outlandish characters, and cultural inconsistencies, but ultimately celebrate its impact as a trailblazer for provocative, female-focused storytelling. Their smart, playful analysis bridges nostalgia, pop culture critique, and unapologetic fun—making this episode a fitting tribute for fans and newbies alike.

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Transcript

[A]

Foreign. Welcome to Black People Love Paramore, a pop culture podcast, not about the band Paramore, but a show about the common as well as the uncommon interests of black people in order to help us feel a little bit more safe. I am Sequoia Holmes, and today joining me, we have the full crew. We have Ryan Graham and Jewel Wicker. Thank you all for joining. Before we get into the episode, y', all, y' all might know, but you might not know as well. We do have merch. Okay. One, Ms. Ariana Grande is currently on tour. If you would like something to wear to that tour, you can wear the merch that we have. If you are black and you like Ariana Grande, and if you're not black and you want to be maybe potentially canceled, you can wear the mocha grande T shirt that we have for sale. And while you're at it, while you're clicking links and such, go ahead and write us and write us a review on Spotify and Apple podcasts. That'd be great.

[B]

I wonder, can you just say, I'm a mocha grande? Like, you like to drink? Like, maybe you can just get away with it and be like, it's just. I'm like an energy ball at the Ariana Grande concert. Yeah, well, I don't you think they gonna automatically assume black? You think white people know what that is? I don't think white people know what mocha grande is.

[C]

Mind you, I mentioned being a mocha grande to one of my black friends yesterday, and she knew what I was talking about.

[A]

100. So many people don't know what that is. It's niche. It's niche. Earlier today, Ryan was talking about a brown person who was an Ariana Grande fan, and I was like, well, I guess he's a mocha grande or maybe not. And Ryan said he was a horchata grande.

[B]

And I like it. I think. I think I'm right. I'll stand on it.

[A]

And I was thoroughly amused. I was. I was thoroughly amused.

[B]

I think horchata Grande makes sense. Why not? I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll stay on it. You could also. Can you be a white mocha? What is that?

[A]

Well, there are white. White mochas. Yeah, I have. I used to drink a white mocha

[C]

coffee that I don't even know.

[A]

White mocha is not even real coffee. That's. It's actually a kid drink.

[B]

Yeah, it's actually like hot chocolate. It's like.

[A]

It's like hot.

[B]

Hot chocolate.

[C]

Hot chocolate.

[B]

Do you.

[C]

Yeah, because I don't drink coffee.

[B]

I knew that. Yeah.

[A]

You know.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Then you would probably like white mocha. Well, white mocha has a little bit

[C]

of caffeine, drink a little tea. I drink a little hot chocolate.

[B]

Do you do vanilla bean fraps? I know we're way off topic today.

[A]

We are talking about none other than the iconic series and less iconic films. Question mark. Sex and the City. So here's the thing. Ryan and Jewel have both seen Sex and the City in its entirety.

[C]

It's been a long time, but okay.

[A]

It's been a while for Jewel. Both seen in entirety. I have seen half of season one and I. I thought you were getting through it.

[B]

Yes. Oh, you're taking your time.

[A]

Yeah, I'm just not speeding through it.

[C]

I'm just, you know, I know Sequoia

[B]

and so I mainlined it.

[C]

I assumed Sequoia had not watched it. No shade to Sequoia.

[A]

So I did need to have reinforcement. So I needed to have both people present because y' all have seen it and I have seen it. You know what I mean? Through osmosis and the first half of the first season. So no, honestly, saving yourself. I was told. I was told horrible things.

[B]

They are iconically bad. You can. Absolutely. They are. Because I'm like. You're like, like when you said less iconic. I'm like, no, no, no. They're iconic. They're iconic.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

Jennifer Hudson in that bag. Iconic Jennifer Hudson.

[C]

I don't want to talk about.

[B]

Yes. I think it might have been the first thing Jennifer Hudson was in. I think it's pre Dream Girls. I'm certain it's pre Dream Girl.

[C]

Was it. I thought it was after Dream Girls cuz I thought I was offended because she had already been in Oscar.

[B]

Let me double check.

[C]

Louise. Louise.

[B]

It was Louise.

[C]

Louise.

[B]

I'm almost certain it was post or pre Dream Girls. There's no way she won an Oscar and then did that movie. You know what I mean?

[C]

It was like filmed before but came out, I don't know, 2008.

[B]

You are right.

[C]

I'm telling you. I remember being in theaters being like, now Jen, now Jean.

[B]

That is offensive.

[C]

Actually, it was offensive to me. I remember being offended. I remember being like, this isn't right. And I don't like the way that

[B]

they're doing her bill the movie as like Sarah Jessica Parker. Kim Cattrall. An Academy award winning Jennifer Hudson. Is that how they like went through the movie?

[C]

I just remember being. I'm gonna start off the bat and say that my love for Sex and the City. Anybody who Follows me on the social media, knows that every six months or so, I drag Carrie Bradshaw. It is a shtick that I do. It is a thing that I do, and I will continue to do it as long as there was breath in my lungs. So I'm excited today.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I love it.

[C]

Well, she's one of my favorite characters to drag.

[A]

Oh, great. Let's find out who we're talking to then. Do you identify as a Carrie, Miranda, Samantha, or a Charlotte? Jewel, you can go first.

[C]

I don't identify as none of them. If I had to pick, I would probably be somewhere between Miranda and Charlotte.

[A]

Okay. Okay. And Ryan?

[B]

I identify as a Charlotte personally. Multiple of my friends have told me that I am a Carrie, and I take it mad offensive.

[C]

Why would you identify as Charlotte?

[B]

I think that I am, like, the. Like, I'm a touch prudy. I'm like, a little bit of a prude sometimes. I think. I think I have a warp sense of my own reality. Sometimes I'm like, yeah, because I'm like. I'm like. I think in terms of, like, sex sometimes I can be pretty vanilla in terms of, like, my gay friends and some of the things they do, they make me feel like a Charlotte. When I, like, hear some of the escapades that my friends get into, I'm like, oh, I am a prude compared to a lot of my gay friends. But then when I talk to, like, my straight friends, I'm like, oh, okay. I think I'm a little bit more Samantha than, like, some of my straight friends. So I'm somewhere in between. In gay world, I think I'm Charlotte. Like, in straight world, if I were a straight man, I think I'd be pretty. Well, I wouldn't be Samantha. But yeah, like, I understand. But yeah, I think I probably am more aligned with Carrie than I want to be. I hate that, though, because I understand how incredibly flawed Carrie is. She is actively a bad friend. Like, actively. God, I love her bad friend. I do. I love her down.

[C]

God, I love her.

[B]

Terrible at choosing people. Like, bad person.

[C]

Actually, before I got engaged, I had saved the sound on TikTok because Carrie Bradshaw, I guess some man was gonna give her a ring and she saw it before he gave it to her and because she didn't want to marry him. And she was like, it was a pear shaped diamond with a gold band and everybody was like, ugh. And I was like. Because I was like, that was my dream ring. And I was like, oh, I can't wait to get engaged. So I Could use this sound. I'm like, why must Kerry and I be at odds at every turn? It's great.

[A]

I had to take a quiz. Well, first of all, again, I got through the first half of season one. I. As soon as Miranda came on my screen, I said, and there's me. And there's me. The aura that she has, I said, that's Sequoia. Today I took a quiz, and I

[B]

can guess who it is. And I think it's probably who you actually are. It's Samantha. I think you are by far the most Samantha.

[C]

Did it say Samantha?

[A]

So I took the quiz. And the quiz gives you your percentages of each girl. What do you want the. Do you want me to.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

The quiz is linked in the dog. It's the. It's the first. It's the first quiz.

[C]

Interesting.

[A]

My Highest percentage with 58% is Miranda.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

My second highest percentage with 52% is Samantha. Third, 48 is Carrie. Fourth is Charlotte at 43. And I was like, yes, I would

[B]

switch Samantha and Miranda for you.

[A]

Who. Who is Samantha? So Samantha.

[B]

Sorry. I mean, so. I mean, she is. It's funny. Like, I.

[A]

So I. I, too, have been a hoe. So. Yes, that makes sense.

[B]

And that's not even where I'm going. I mean, like, well, you know, I

[C]

had forgot about your whole phase, honestly. So I wasn't even thinking about Dan.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

I guess my thought is, like, Samantha at the time. So this is an early 2000 show. I believe it premiered, what, like 99 or 2000? It was like, so it. For the time Samantha was outlandish and like a ho because she freely had sex and enjoyed sex. And I think for women at that time, it felt like.

[A]

What?

[B]

That's crazy. I think watching it. And I watched it for the first time in Covid. And we are just so far removed from that that, like, Samantha's craziness felt so normal. That, like, when I say you are a Samantha, to me, I think because she was the most progressive. And I think she also was, like, the best friend of all of those girls. Like, I think she was really good at calling them out on their. She was really good at being, like, defending them and those things. And I feel like you do a good job of doing that. And so that is where I feel like you would be a Samantha.

[A]

Well, thanks. I mean, far in her lore yet.

[C]

It's amazing that you said that, because I was gonna say she's the best friend. Like, she is the best. I'm curious. I guess I'M interested to hear what you end up saying, Ryan, because we watched it like 10 years apart and so I would have been in my early 20s. Like I'm just curious like how the show. I don't think it ages well. Doesn't Curious to see. Right, right, right. So I'm curious to see like what your thoughts were in 2020 versus my thoughts in like the early 2010s. But yes, Samantha by far, easily, it's really no debate. Is the best friend of the group.

[B]

Yeah, I think she defends them like to no end. Like she's always in their corner and like I feel like all of them talk trash at her and she like, I think she's just so self assured that it doesn't, she's just, they constantly give her shit about her sex life and all the things she does and she's just kind of like, I mean. Yeah, like what she, she hits him with like a. Well yes. Like she's just so like, I mean like what are you going to do about it?

[C]

They try to frame her as if she's self centered but she's the least self centered of everybody in the group. To me, like she's the only person who is like honest about who she is but can also step outside of herself to be like a good friend. And I, my struggle with the other three women is that they can't do that.

[B]

They all are like obsessed with the idea of like in their own right, the fairy tale of love. Like they do it and want different types of things or different types of men. But at the end of the day maybe less so Miranda, they all like desperately want to have like that is like the you and my friendships and all the things I'm doing with all the people are just a stepping stone until I get my husband and have the thing. Specifically Charlotte and I don't relate to Charlotte in that way. But that Charlotte specifically was like fairy tale. Like she had like a childlike almost vision of what love would look like and what it was supposed to be and like it felt like everything outside of that was just in the way until she got her man. I think Miranda was like more business oriented and it was like finding a partner. And I love Steve down. We will get to Steve, I'm sure. But like she didn't deserve Steve. I, I, she didn't.

[C]

She really didn't. Steve should have.

[B]

And also Steve with those glasses and that bot. Steve was my like my Slow it down. I'm sorry. Steve is so, he is so. Because he's like, just like an ugly hot. Like, he's the nerdy hot. Like, oh, God, Steve.

[D]

Every.

[C]

With you. And then.

[B]

I'm sorry, It's.

[D]

That's what I'm.

[B]

But just, he is. I don't know. Oh, yeah. But they all. And I feel like Samantha was the only one who, like, valued friendship the most. Sorry, I went off on a tangent.

[A]

She did by far. I haven't gotten in that deep into her lore yet, but when Miranda came on my screen, she has the spirit of a Capricorn rising. And I was like, yeah, the cap is really loud on you.

[C]

I don't know what that means.

[B]

Do they have signs? I'm assuming they do. I've never actually looked up their signs because I'm like, I remember their birthdays specifically. Like, I know they celebrate them in the show, but, like, yeah, I don't distinctly.

[A]

I hope they make their astrology correct because sometimes they just be throwing random dates and I'm like, that'll make no damn sense. I'm sure they didn't.

[B]

What they got of Sex in the City cast.

[A]

Okay. And while y' all doing that, I'm going to describe the plot of Sex and the City off the dome, per usual. Or I'm going to describe, you know, what it's about. Okay. Sex in the City is a coming of age story, which I appreciate because everybody is old and it follows too much older. Exactly. And it follows four women who have four different approaches to life. The. The first, the titular character is Carrie. And I say titular because this. The. The. Her column is called Sex and the City.

[C]

Correct.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

And it belongs to her. Correct. So in that way, she is titular. And then. Yeah, so.

[B]

Oh, that's it.

[C]

Found.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. So that's the plot. And then. Oh, and then Carrie is dumb and she big all the time.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And big, like, really don't like her at all.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

And big don't like big. Don't big be her up all the time. And probably her ph too.

[C]

And then likely.

[B]

That is also likely.

[A]

And Miranda is not gay, but she's like, kind. But she appears gay. Oh, and then in the main series.

[B]

Yes. In the sequel series, she is full on.

[A]

Yes. Oh, okay. So Amanda is.

[B]

And that's the other reason why she didn't deserve Steve, because she was living in her truth. She should have let Steve go. You didn't want him. You know you didn't.

[C]

But that's okay.

[A]

Samantha is a siren who clearly I am the most similar to. She's just so sexual and she just like oozes like Venusian, you know what I mean? Like, okay, her shoulder, her clavicle, and then. Okay, who's the other one? Charlotte. Oh, she's like a Southern like purity culture girl.

[B]

She is not from the city.

[C]

I can understand how you got there.

[B]

Yes, it makes sense. They are like the. They're each other's foils.

[C]

It does give like Southern belle, like Tennessee type. I've discovered the zodiacs and I've stumbled upon the most devastating thing that has ever occurred to me in my life.

[A]

Oh, you have the same birthday as Carrie.

[C]

Two days off.

[A]

Oh,

[D]

Carrie.

[C]

Okay. Carrie.

[A]

Being a Libra does make complete sense. Sense. Because it does. It really does. Because, like, she's a fantastic writer. We know the air signs and communication, they go. They go together. Bad air sign gonna communicate one way or another. She also, I feel like, can observe herself really well, but she can't really shift herself that well. Does that make sense?

[C]

You know, like she can observe herself that way.

[A]

When she. I'd be feeling like she can observe her, she just pretty well. I don't know. I ain't seen it like that.

[B]

I would say because she. She references her insecurities throughout her articles and what she's writing. I think she is pretty self aware. You are right, Sequoia. I think that it is then taking the steps to change. I think she often knows.

[A]

I think that's where she gets a little. I think she's working and that's hard for all of us, to be fair. That is like very hard for all of us. But it's like the. It's like she romanticizes her life a lot. And that is very Libra. Like, it's like when she's writing about it, it sounds. It sounds romantic. And then you actually take a step back and you're like, this is.

[B]

This is crazy.

[A]

Like, this is actually chaos. But she is really good at convincing you that, like, yeah, I'm doing it for the plot. Like, this is fun, you know, like it's romanticized. It's just kind of a vibe.

[B]

The whole big thing between her and her and Aiden versus her and big where Aiden was such a grounding presence and so like reassuring to her. It's like she didn't want to be. No, she did not. Yes. He wasn't married. He wasn't constantly stringing her along, making her hook up in hotel rooms. He was just like, literally, yeah, I'm here. What do you want me to do?

[A]

He literally hooking up.

[B]

Hotel room filled. Yes, she big had her in and out of hotels, not even the same one. It was sleazy ones.

[C]

Like, it was Big crazy Carrie Bradshaw. Carrie Bradshaw was in that man. Carrie was cheating. Carrie was in that man's. You know what I'm about to say, too. Was in that man house. Lounge around like she lived there. Like, she paid bills. Like she put the groceries in the fridge. The wife who lived there, who pay bills, who put the groceries in the fridge, comes home unexpectedly, I believe actively should put groceries.

[B]

She was putting groceries in the fridge.

[C]

Harry comes tiptoeing out the back, trying to sneak off. And the wife is like, carrie, I see you, Carrie, trying. The wife trying to chase after Carrie. She fall down and break her tooth.

[B]

Her teeth. Like, literally. Yes. They have to go to the hospital. She's, like, bleeding. Yes.

[C]

That is right here. If you can't look at your life and say, not only am I cheating with the man, the man's not mine. The man is actively married. Someone has lost their tooth over it.

[A]

Is it her? It's Carrie that lost her tooth.

[C]

No, no, no, it's the wife. The wife lost her tooth.

[B]

You know what I'm saying?

[C]

And it would have been worse than that had it been me. Because for you to make me lose my teeth after you already took my man crazy.

[B]

Also, like the.

[C]

You gotta miss something, too, baby. You've got to miss something, too.

[B]

Mind you. Mind you, for Carrie, we're spoiling. Like, we're getting into whatever.

[A]

You'll.

[B]

You'll get there when you get there. This.

[A]

If you listen to this, you like the show.

[B]

That's right. This is. This happened after Big already dumped Carrie for, like, the umpteenth time and was like, sorry, I don't want a serious relationship, only to get engaged to this woman that he is. That she's. He's literally. He left her and months later was married. And I'm saying, this is the same man that you are now crawling back into his house. Carrie,

[C]

let me tell you something. Big was finna move to Paris, right? Big was gonna move to Paris. This shows up with a beret on.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And French lunch with this beret in his f filet. And she's like, le fish. And she's like. And she's like, you know, I figured it won't be so bad. We can do left phone sex. And he said, well, as long as you're not doing it because of me, because I don't like. He literally is like, that's so cute. But if this is what you want to Do Cool. But I don't want you to do it for me because I wouldn't do it for you. Basically. You know how men are like, don't expect nothing in return for this. And she's like, I'm an idiot. And she throw the fish fillet. Yeah.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

And continue to be so. Wow, this is convincing.

[C]

I'm.

[A]

I'm gonna have to make my way.

[C]

I love it.

[A]

I'm gonna have to scroll through it.

[C]

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[B]

At least I'm not doing that.

[C]

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[A]

Why does all the bad stuff happen around Paris? Like, Lauren didn't go to Paris for a man. Like Carrie getting a beret on her head.

[B]

Like, Carrie also then goes to Paris later with a different man and then gets hit and. Which also, I realized they kind of downplayed that. I'm like, they make like watching it in 2026. I'm like, this feels way crazier than it felt like the show kind of treated it lightly. Like she was leaving him, she was dating. Was he like a Russian? He was a restaurateur or something like that. I forget what he did. Whatever. She was dating this man who comes in season five or six, the last season, and she moves to Paris with him. And then, like, she's like, I'm finally giving up on Big. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And then they get into a fight. He, like, hits her. It is like an accident. I. It was weird. It was some real weird. And then she's leaving him. And Big tracks her down in pairs, takes her away, and then they. They end up together in the end, which I'm like, I don't think you should be with him. I think you should be on your.

[C]

Do y' all also. I'm sorry, Do y' all want the other Zodiacs?

[A]

I'm looking at.

[B]

Oh, yeah, please.

[A]

I am looking at.

[C]

Okay. Charlotte York, Aquarius, which feels like it doesn't track. I can see that a little.

[A]

Yeah, I can see what you think.

[B]

They're like the rebels. And she's. I guess I don't always think of

[C]

Aquarius as rebels, though. Sometimes I just think of them as a little emotionally distant.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Oh, and I would say that for her.

[A]

Do the people know? Oh, okay.

[C]

And so I'm allowed to drag them legally.

[A]

Legally.

[C]

A little emotionally distant. And I do believe I see it in her eyes. You know what I'm saying? She has a.

[A]

Maybe that's where she's trying to find intimacy. Right. She's trying to feel. She's trying to fill it without emotionally feeling it. She's trying to physically, you know, like,

[C]

even in her friendships. To me, it feels a little cold, a little distant. Like she's present, but she's not all in to me. I don't know.

[B]

I mean, like, she just. It's almost like it's all checking boxes. Like it is. It is in this. Like, oh, yes. This is the version of friendship. This is the version of love. And then when things don't work, she's like actively, like, you can know what

[C]

to do with it.

[B]

She is very like, strict on the rules. Like the fact that like Charlotte or that Samantha is kind of like free. I forget what her and Samantha are arguing about. She's like, you can't have sex on the first night if you want to marry him. Like, that's like. She's very.

[C]

That.

[B]

She's like, you cannot.

[C]

And I feel like Aquarius are very rigid once they are. This is how the thing goes. Whatever the thing is. Like, they're not moving from how that thing goes. They are fixed.

[A]

I mean, fixed Earth.

[C]

That is how she is. She is very like, this is the way things are supposed to go. And if they don't go like that, I will actually malfunction.

[B]

And because she stayed in a bad relationship too. Charlotte's. Her first husband was a very horrible person. He wouldn't. He wouldn't have sex with her.

[C]

He was like. It was weird.

[B]

Yeah, he was. Because he was also like old money. Her mom, her mother in law was a bitch. But in her mind, she was like, I did the thing. I married the man with money. I like, it's supposed to be great.

[C]

And like, I checked the boxes.

[B]

Check the boxes.

[C]

I've checked the boxes.

[A]

Look what happened when you try to follow the rules too hard. Okay? And then we have Miranda Hobbs. Is that how you say her last name? Okay. Amanda House. She is. Her birthday is July 17th. Allegedly that she's a cancer.

[C]

Oh, wait.

[A]

But it does say Leo. But July 17th will be a cancer. I don't know why it says Leo.

[C]

Weird. Okay?

[A]

And that doesn't make any damn sense. That doesn't make a piece a lick of sense.

[B]

I don't know. I. Because like, she is like a mother of the group in a way. Like they're the mother and the father of the group. Miranda would be like the fathery type and Samantha in some ways is the mother. But I feel like Miranda is. Samantha is a mother of a sort. Like, like, you know, I mean, I think Miranda would be like the father but like. Because she's like. She's not necessarily as warm, but I do think she's the one who keeps everyone in line.

[A]

What that is, is A Capricorn. Capricorn is the father of the daddy of a zodiac.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

She feels more father.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? She's not.

[B]

She is emotional now, I'll give you. But, like, she does have her emotional moments, I think, like, when she is feeling it. Like, I remember when she. Did she fall in the shower and she, like, hurt her neck. And then, like, Carrie being a fucking awful friend, like, she's. She's. She calls Carrie. She's like, I'm on the floor. I can't. I can't get up. I need someone to come help me. Like, I'm actively hurt. My neck is broken. Not broken, but, like, she's like, I can't move. And then car's like, I'm busy. She's like, I can't even remember what Carrie was doing.

[A]

What was your.

[B]

I like, I can't. I can't.

[C]

Nothing could have been important.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

But the thing I remember is that she sends Aiden, who is her boyfriend at the time, and he goes over there, but Miranda's literally naked on the floor. And she's like, what the. Like, she didn't expect. Yes. And then she goes off on Carrie later. She's like, I would not do that to you. Like, I literally needed you. And you couldn't even, like, take time to come help me. Me when we always there for you.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, that's fair. But I'm saying Miranda, when she is activated emotionally, even with Steve, who, like, oh, God, Steve, he was so.

[C]

She.

[B]

I think she opened up.

[A]

Let me look him up, because I

[B]

feel like you're not going to see it. You're not going to see it. You won't. You're going to hate it. You're going to be anti. You're going to be anti. Tom, are you over here? Every time. Every time Steve came on the screen, I was like, what the.

[C]

Are you.

[A]

Steve looks like a thumb.

[B]

I'm sorry.

[C]

Literally.

[B]

And I have a place he can put that thumb. You know what I mean? Fine.

[C]

You prish.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Right.

[B]

Steve, through and through to the end. Even when he was in the second series.

[A]

Hot.

[B]

He was hot the whole way. Didn't care.

[A]

I.

[B]

Something about him being so. I can't really. I don't know how to put it. He just.

[C]

I didn't like none of the men in this show. No.

[A]

He looks like if Milo. I don't know how to say that man's name. My little familia. He looked like if Milo. And if Stephen Coletti were like, three Times less attractive than they are. That's what he.

[B]

I see how you get there. I don't know. Maybe it was his personality in the show, because he really liked. He was down for Miranda. Like, I feel like he. You don't think he was.

[C]

He was very down for Miranda. There was nothing about it that made me.

[B]

I can't put it. I even.

[A]

Oh, my God. Hot in the pants, you guys. Okay, we gotta. We gotta finish the. The signs. Samantha is a. When I say her birthday is April

[B]

20, her not being a Leo is crazy to me.

[A]

That's a Taurus.

[B]

Oh, that tracks.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Rule of Venus. That tracks.

[C]

Yeah, astrology. January 23rd is a cusp. That's a cusper. In.

[A]

Does sound cuspy, but it sounds like Aquarius.

[B]

It is Aquarius.

[A]

Yeah, but it is right.

[B]

Right after Capricorn. So there's also Charlotte being Charlotte. Oh, Samantha's a Taurus.

[C]

No, no, I was. I was circling back to.

[B]

Oh, Charlotte. I'm saying Charlotte being a Capricorn also kind of makes sense because she is good with money. That is one thing. She is, like, acting actively, like, fiscally responsible, but that comes up in a whole other way. But Samantha being a Taurus makes sense. Leo's the only other thing I could see because she is just very showy.

[A]

She does make sense.

[C]

I could see her as a Leo.

[B]

You give that. But Taurus makes sense in terms of, like, being ruled by Venusian. Like you were saying. Like, literally, it's like, oh, I'm ruled by Scorpio.

[A]

Makes sense too, with the sexual. Yeah, Scorpio makes sense because of the sex forward. Jules has, like, she's not.

[C]

All of those make sense.

[B]

And I think Samantha's not addictive enough to be a Scorpio. She's actually very forgiving, too.

[A]

And then SAG is the option that they put here too.

[C]

She doesn't give me sad. Either she would give me Leo or I see Leo and Taurus.

[A]

Leo makes so much sense. And. Yeah, yeah, both of those.

[C]

She's not chaotic. She's a specific type of chaotic to me.

[B]

Oh, I don't even know you. Right. Chaotic is a hard. Like, I don't understand the time that felt chaotic because she was like. She was a new we. I don't think we had seen, like, such a sex forward woman in that way. And maybe it felt chaotic at the time, but if you really look at her, she was together.

[C]

She never had to ask nobody for nothing. She had a good job. She knew what was going on.

[B]

You know, ran A business. She didn't just have a good job. She literally like had a. She was, I believe, also 10 years older than the girls. I think there's a joke in the first episode where they're like, she's older. They make a joke. Samantha is 10 years older than all the other girls.

[C]

The other girls are born in the late mid to late.

[B]

Yeah, they make a joke about it in the first episode where they're like. They're like. Because they all start in the 50s. And yeah. I don't think they ever accepted express how old Samantha is. They make a joke of like. They say something like, oh, yeah, Samantha doesn't tell us how old she is, but she's like X amount of years older. So it is known that she is

[A]

older than I. Wow.

[C]

She's like eight years. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Like, she's.

[C]

She's.

[A]

Well, I can't be Samantha. I am so much younger.

[B]

I don't. Well, isn't that crazy? I'm gonna say then what? Like, then all of these old ladies. What do you mean? But yeah, it. Samantha was not chaotic. I think she was bold. I think she was.

[C]

But she also, like, was very decisive.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

If she want to you no more. That was it.

[B]

Like, remember the guy? He had this spunky. The weirdest spunk. That's what she called. That was her famous line. There also was a guy who had a little dick that she was having sex with. She goes, oh, that's all like, Samantha, is it in?

[C]

Yeah. Like, Samantha was very forward. She was very. Once I'm done with this, I'm done with this. Like, Carrie was trying to linger around. Carrie was circle back, circle the block. Samantha, when she left, she's leaving. She's done. She's not going back.

[B]

Yeah, I do love that towards the end she like. Because her whole thing was like, she was the only one of the girls who really wasn't looking for love in that at all. Like, it was not a focus. Her focus was her career and her friendships. And like, she was like, I enjoy sex, I enjoy men. But, like, my life is not my focus. Is not going to break if I do not have a man here. Like, I am. Okay. And in the end, she gets like a very, like, sensitive boy. Like, her man is like this actor model who she's just kind of fucking at first. And then they really get feelings. And then she. Oh, God, spoiler. She gets sick and gets cancer and he, like, holds her down. Samantha's arc is so good.

[C]

She's good.

[B]

Like, God, what a Great character. And it sucks that her and Sarah Jessica Parker couldn't get along because, like, Samantha didn't come back for the. The second show or second series. And you can tell by the end they did not like filming to get like they would. The times they were together was smaller and smaller and smaller. And it, like, it sucks. I think it did kind of ruin this or not ruin the show, but

[C]

it just made the show different archetype of, like, all the shows that came after it that are like, friends are the real love of your life and not, like, romance because, like, that was Samantha's thing. Samantha was like, I can always get a new man. I can't get new girlfriends. Like, my girls are my girls. And that is the thing that I cannot live without. Men come and go. And I feel like we have seen so many shows that have storyline since then, and I. I feel like Samantha's like the archetype for that. Yeah.

[A]

Wait, speaking of other shows with the archetype, Brian, what's up before I. I

[B]

think the other thing is, like, because I know a lot of shows are set in New York. I think that's the. This show does that well, too. Where the city is so a part of the. Every time I see it.

[C]

Also a character. Yeah.

[B]

Fun. Some way to do it, but yeah, other shows.

[A]

Okay, you guys, we're gonna play a little game. We'll circle back to, like, other plot points in Sex in the City, but felt like a good moment to play a little game. We're gonna play a game of who's who. I'll tell y' all a fictional friend group of four that you probably recognize. And you tell me who is the Carrie? Who's the Miranda? Who's the Samantha? Who's the Charlotte? Okay. Okay, let's start with. Let's start with insecure. Issa, Molly, Kelly, Tiffany.

[B]

Okay. Issa is clearly Carrie.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like, chaotic and, like, all over.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I guess I have to say that Samantha is Natasha Rothwell's character. What, Kelly? Yeah, Only because, like, chaos. But I think Kelly is actively chaotic in a way that Samantha is not. Miranda would have to be Molly. And then smart black and smart, funny black. What's that girl's name? Amanda Seals. What is her name of the show?

[A]

Tiffany.

[B]

Tiffany is gonna be Charlotte. And that tracks. I think Tiffany's not as prudish, but she definitely is Jack and Jill Black in the, like, Ms. Prim and property. She's a bitchier version of Charlotte, but she is Charlotte.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Okay. Okay.

[C]

Molly is more male centered. I Agree with that. The only thing I would notice, Molly was more male centered than Miranda. But she would be the Miranda in that situation.

[A]

Right? If you got a shoehorn them, shoehorn them. Okay. And tell me why you're shoehorning. You know what, Jewel, this one's for you. The Beatles. Jewel, John Lennon, Paul McCartney. George Harrison, Ringo Starr.

[C]

I thought you loved the Beatles. I do. I'm trying to figure out how the hell we got to that.

[A]

Now, who is. I don't know them people.

[C]

Personal life like that. I just like them.

[A]

Oh, I thought you did. My bad. Oh, you don't know what you got going on.

[B]

Why wouldn't you. You don't know about your.

[A]

Why would you know any of it?

[B]

What place?

[A]

Who are they?

[C]

Now I gotta guess. And I guess y' all just tell me.

[A]

No, don't guess, don't guess.

[C]

I don't even.

[A]

Because if you don't know.

[C]

Because I don't know nothing about that. Right.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I know Johnny Yoko.

[B]

Is that. Is Johnny Yoko carrying big? Is that who.

[C]

No, because that. No, because they seem equally obsessed with each other.

[A]

Okay. All right.

[C]

Okay. Although, wasn't somebody married?

[B]

I was.

[A]

Yeah, that's what I'm about to say. It was about to be some whole. I know it was some. Okay.

[C]

But it's different. I hate to say this. I'm not trying to be problematic. Somebody was married, but they both was obsessed with each other. If you're gonna leave. If you're married to me and you leave me, it better be for a. You're obsessed with.

[A]

I agree with that.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It better be true love.

[A]

Yeah. For real.

[C]

I don't want to hear about no divorce. I don't want to ever hear about no separation. Watching Stay together forever. I better see her next to you in obituary.

[B]

They did stay together until 1.

[C]

And they did. And they. And they did that.

[B]

So.

[A]

So. And that's exactly what happened. So in that way, they can't be big and carry.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

That's right. Mean girls. Katie, Regina, Gretchen, Karen.

[B]

Okay, you take this one, Jewel. Yeah. I'm trying to think.

[C]

Katie, Regina, Gretchen. Karen. Gretchen is Charlotte. I'm gonna make Gretchen. Charlotte.

[A]

Okay, Y' all can make it a joint effort.

[B]

I think Samantha is Regina, only because I really don't know that Regina was. When I really sit with it. Was Regina that bad? Like, I think she was like,

[A]

yeah, she's pretty, but I mean, like, I

[B]

feel like she just kind of knew what she. She was like, I think she. Oh, no, she wasn't.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She knew what she wanted.

[C]

I don't think she was hooking up in the. The AV room.

[B]

That was Karen. No, it was Regina. Regina was the one.

[C]

I'm gonna go ahead and give Samantha to Regina.

[B]

Regina. That makes sense.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Okay, so now who we have left,

[A]

we have Katie and Karen left.

[B]

And what I'm saying is I.

[D]

We.

[B]

Karen is not. Certainly not Miranda.

[C]

Miranda. That's where I was stuck. Literally where I paused was Katie can be Miranda. She cannot be.

[B]

You know, Karen can be Katie because both of them is dumb as.

[A]

Wait, Karen can be who?

[B]

Katie. Oh, sorry, Carrie. Carrie can be Carrie because. Yes, they don't have it all on. There's not. The lights aren't on.

[C]

It's not clicking to you.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay. And yes, that would make Miranda Katie. And I think that makes some sense.

[A]

That makes a little bit of sense.

[B]

They both are redheads, if nothing else.

[D]

Hello.

[C]

Do you remember Ryan, when I was telling the other Ryan about this before we started recording? Do you remember when Carrie got robbed?

[B]

Oh, in the alley.

[C]

And she's like, not my shoes. These are new. These are shoes.

[B]

She's fighting with the people. Not my new Manola Blonde expression, please. Anything but like literally arguing with the guy. He's like, give me your girl, give me your wallet, give me your thing. And the shoes too. And she's like, anything but the movie.

[C]

Whatever I have to do for you not to take my brand new shoes. Like, I will do whatever it takes. You cannot. Like, this is what I mean when I say a deeply unserious woman. And it's so like, do we. Over the years there have been all these arguments of like, this is not a real depiction of New York because there are no people of color in this. And I'm like, this is her depiction of New York. And I don't want black people in this foolishness.

[A]

I promise you.

[B]

I'm like, yeah, let it, let it.

[C]

I don't want to be victim to this mess.

[B]

I believe it is the reality she lives in. And also that is her reality. It's written from her pov. And so I have to assume that like the. The literal lens we are seeing it through is her eyes. Even the stuff we like. It's not her physical eyes. And thus there are going to be no black people. Because I don't believe that, problematic as she is, I don't believe that Carrie is seeing black people in a real way. They are non existent in her world.

[C]

Even the way she views gay people is a little caricature. Ish.

[B]

Like Remember when they were on the roof with the. The trans girls and she's like, I know you ain't talking.

[C]

Oh, yeah. No, that one is bad. That one is bad.

[A]

Horrible. It's horrible.

[C]

Yes, that's.

[B]

Hold on, let me find it. Because it is actively crazy.

[C]

I wasn't even thinking about that one. I was just thinking about the whole gay best friend trope. But, yeah, I remember that they're handling with trans people was horrible as well. I forget his name. But the one that had the wedding and Liza Minnelli performed.

[B]

So, so good.

[C]

So stereotypical. I can't take it. It's so. Like, every girl has to have a pair of Jimmy Choos and a gay best friend.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[C]

Like, that is literally what the show. I don't. Don't add no Negroes to this. Please leave us.

[A]

You know, they did.

[B]

They brought in Blair Underwood. He was a love interest for.

[C]

That was just like that. Or was that.

[A]

Oh, no, that was.

[B]

I remember he came in. He was okay. So I'm like, they try. I think they got the critique, and

[C]

they just said, you know what?

[B]

We'll do anything. Hold on, let me try to. Let me pull this up. This was so chaotic.

[C]

All right. What do you mean? You with the flower. You talking to me? What do you want? I want you to give me a

[A]

twirl and a twirl.

[C]

I need to see you spin first.

[A]

This is insane.

[B]

That's all. That's all.

[D]

It's just like.

[A]

This is insane.

[B]

It's bad. I need you to give me a twirl, sister. Yeah, it's bad.

[A]

It's so bad.

[C]

And now you see why I say I will drag her.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

And it's also.

[A]

I want black people involved, like you said.

[C]

And that's what I'm saying.

[A]

I don't want black people.

[C]

And I can laugh. I can Kiki. When I say I drag Carrie, I drag Carrie with love. Because I. I love her. Although I think she's delusional and a little birdish when you add black people to it. Now I'm getting angry.

[A]

You know what I mean? Like, it's not fun anymore. Whenever you add. Whenever you force a black character into a predominantly white show, especially if the show started off that way, especially if there's no black writers caring for those black characters, they are never portrayed well. They're never treated well, and they're not forced. And it's forced. And it's just, you know, like, I'm like, I don't Want you to check a. A box.

[B]

And I'm wondering who's making them make those decisions because I'm like, are we clamoring for. My mom watched Sex and the City religiously, and I don't think she was ever like, you know what? I want more black people on this show. Like, I don't. I can watch white content.

[A]

Nobody said that.

[B]

And appreciate it for white content.

[A]

And that's the way that most friend groups are.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You know, like, I'm like, they're white and they're white, you know, and we're black and we're black. And that's just, you know, friend groups,

[B]

like, kind of how it is.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Drawn to people like yourself.

[C]

I also don't have real cultural. Maybe this is me. Maybe it's the time I watch the show. But I wasn't watching this from like a, like a analytical lens in that way to where I was, like, wanting to think about race. I wasn't even really thinking about, like, is this a girl's girls or like, gender dynamics? I was just thinking, that's really foolish. Or you did. You know what I mean? Like, girl, you broke up with you with a post it note. Like, I was really just watching it. I had that as my screensaver for a long time because I thought that was.

[B]

Sorry, I can't.

[C]

I can't. Don't hate you.

[B]

Don't hate me.

[A]

I'm sorry.

[B]

Don't hate me. It's crazy. Crazy. That's nuts.

[C]

You know what I mean? That I was watching the show for the sheer, like, how, like, crazy it was. I was not watching it to have to dissect cultural issues.

[B]

I wonder if that's a new phenomenon, because I do think we do that a lot more now when I think you could just appreciate it for what it was. And maybe it's because there were less avenues to discuss. Like, you were talking it around the water cooler. So maybe the conversations eked out there. But like, now, like, in the, like, content economy, like, we're kind of like, we have to kind of like, talk about things in a more intense way. And everyone has a way to speak on it that I don't think there's always.

[C]

There's also, like, there were less expectations for diversity back then.

[A]

Oh, definitely. Yeah, for sure.

[C]

Like, I'm not watching this like, where are the Negroes? Because I don't expect them to be

[B]

there to be here.

[C]

Do you know what I mean? Like, I'm not watching this being like, this is like, very stereotypical representation of Queer people or. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not watching it from that, like. Or thinking about the dynamics of how women are treating each other and all of these things, because I don't feel like we had diversity in shows to where we really were. Yeah. It just feels like a different time.

[A]

So because most people weren't represented in Sex and the City, how do y' all think it still ended up being such a massive cultural moment? I mean, like, across, you know, popular culture, how did it. How did it amass such power?

[B]

I think it was ahead of its time in a lot of ways. Explicitly talking about women's liberation or women's sexual liberation and, like, the. Like, making that forward that, like, women want to have sex in. Like, that was such a. Like, that. I think it being so shocking in that way drew a lot of eyes. And although the gay people on the show are caricatures, they were there. See, a lot of. We were there. And, like, in a lot of ways, we were not like this. I don't remember what year this show was or this season, this with the. The trans girls. Like, this had to be, like, season two or three. So it had to be, like, 2002 or three. You weren't seeing train girl trans girls on TV. So I'm like, so it's like, oh, I can see myself there. Or Stan. I think her gay friend's name was Stan. And it's like, oh, Stan is a gay man. He was there all the time.

[C]

He was like, okay. He had a story. Yeah.

[B]

Through all of it and both series and both movies, Stan is through the complaints.

[C]

In hindsight and in real, like, our complaints are because we have seen these characters done well in other things, but I don't know that we would have said the same thing in 2002.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Had we not have had this, we wouldn't have the things we have today. And I think that is why this show has such a cultural impact, is because, like, it literally opened the doors for so many other things. Like, even, like, one for one. We would enough that I love Emily in Paris, but, like, that is the same creator. He made that and then made Emily in Paris. We would not have Emily in Paris without Sex in the City. Yes.

[A]

That is the same creator.

[B]

Yeah. I'm like, it's Darren Starr.

[C]

I also think because Sex and the City was on a hbo, they got to push bounds in such a way that, like, other shows that were on, like, network television didn't get to do. So the converse. Not only was it about, like, Women's liberation and sex. But they got to have the conversation, like, why are we talking about semen? You know what I'm saying? Like, they got to be very vulgar and very specific in a way. That was not a thing. And it was really. I think. I wonder if a lot of people were watching it because it was just shocking that, like, oh, my God, I can't believe they went there. You know what I mean? Like, it was refreshing.

[B]

I also, like, maybe it's like, I'm just thinking of, like, my mom being a woman in the Midwest. Like, I also wonder if it was a way for lots of women to have their eyes opened. Like. Like, you know, I mean, like, women are having three ways and liking it.

[C]

Like, there was a lot of vibrators and sex tools.

[B]

Like, oh. Because, like, I can imagine my mom not talking to her friends about that at the time. Or. Or, you know, I mean, like. Or how many other. Like, they're like, I'm not saying that. And it's just like, oh. And so it's like, before you were just like, on Tick Tock and people were, like, talking about their sex, you know, I mean, like, now we kind of have that. This was that for them.

[A]

And being like, it, like, removed the taboo. It did.

[C]

It did.

[A]

It did sex. Okay. I like that.

[B]

And it is fun. I think at the end of the day, it has its faults in 2026, and I think it's just a product of the time, but it is overall a fun.

[C]

Because wasn't it. Was it Charlotte, who was, like, very prudish about the idea of sex toys and, like, she comes around to it and, like, you know what I mean? Like, it's. It's kind of allowing women to be, like, open to exploration into new things in a way that at that time was really special.

[B]

Revolutionary. Yeah.

[A]

And I will say, just from a 2026 lens, first time watching it, I'm having a great time. I'm only halfway through season one, and people say that season one is, like, bad. And, like, I'm actually having a good time with season one. I'm like, oh, I enjoy this. I enjoy the way that it's set up.

[C]

But I love those ladies. They're so silly.

[B]

I think I explicitly hate the pilot because I think the pilot.

[A]

The pilot was really bad.

[B]

It's not what the show is like. Yeah, I think that once they find the. I don't even think it opens with her writing. I can't remember if she's writing or not. I remember, like, the. The like, talking heads hated that. And I'm glad they cut that and got rid of it. And it went to her narrating it through her article or her blog. Yeah, is it a blog?

[C]

She was a comic.

[A]

She was like, no way.

[C]

She made type of money to sustain the type of. I don't want to talk now.

[B]

Can we talk about that apartment? Because I'm like, well, maybe at the time, her rent control apartment that she

[C]

didn't have a walk in as.

[A]

Was it the Upper east side or was it the Upper west side?

[B]

No, it was up here.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

No, let me look it up. I don't remember. It wasn't. It was in Manhattan. Like, where was Carries?

[A]

While you look that up, I also took another quiz that told me which Sex in the City character I was, and I got one that I've never heard of. So I was hoping that y' all could help me. The second one, Lisa Todd Wexley.

[B]

That's racist. And that is.

[A]

They didn't even know I was black.

[B]

I'm gonna put a pin in Louise, because we're gonna come back to that. Lisa Todd Wexley is God.

[C]

Is that Nicole Arby Parker? Nicole?

[B]

Yes. RB Parker. That's her character in. In Just like that. And that's what I'm saying. It's racist because she's the. You know, when they were like, we need diversity when we bring this show back, they threw in a black friend. And granted, she did fit in with him. Like, she played like, a TV exec or like a producer or. Yeah, like a TV producer editor or something like that. So she fit into their lifestyle. It wasn't like they randomly then got, like, a girl who moved. Because that's what I was thinking. They was gonna give, like, you know what?

[C]

I didn't watch in this, like, that.

[B]

I tried.

[C]

I watched long enough for Big to

[B]

fall off that peloton and die. Yeah, Big. Sorry, spoiler alert.

[C]

Oh, no.

[B]

Big said y'. All. I know a lot of y' all didn't travel over to him just like that. He dies pretty early in the new show, which is also crazy. She did all of that.

[A]

Like.

[B]

Like, went all over the world, got. He stood her up on the altar, then she got back with him, only for him to die, literally.

[A]

Are you joking, or did he fall off of a peloton?

[B]

He had a heart attack and fell on the peloton.

[C]

I'm not lying.

[B]

That is a real show.

[C]

How much of a hater I am? I was not watching the show. And then Twitter started trending. Peloton And I clicked on it, and it was like, big had a hell of a heart attack. It fell off the peloton. I said, let me tune in and see what's going on here.

[B]

It was a good foolishness that I. That's what. That's what got me to start the show. And I watched season one and a little bit of season two. And yeah, because that. That mess got me too. I was like, what do you mean?

[C]

And also because they don't have. Because. Because of the. The beef, Samantha doesn't come to the funeral. So unrealistic for Samira, for Samantha as a friend. It doesn't make sense, right?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

But Kim Cattrall said, you know what you say?

[C]

I don't give a damn what makes sense and what don't. I'm not coming.

[A]

I'm not going.

[B]

I wish. So they also write Samantha off in a way that's also weird. So they make her move to London. So she starts a new PR firm over in London. And, like, that is why she is, like, not.

[C]

She, like, sends hours or something, and, like, it just doesn't.

[A]

Yeah, it's always, like, PR firm.

[B]

It's so whack. It's so bad.

[C]

I'd rather you kill her in a hospital comatose to not come to the funeral of her best friend.

[B]

Best friend, husband, like, stop. And then, like, they. They finally, like, they. Was it season two or three where they got Kim Cattrall to agree to a cameo? And we're thinking, oh, she's gonna come back. She's gonna do a thing. When I tell you she filmed a FaceTime, she literally, like, it was her still in London. FaceTiming. Carrie. I don't even remember what the. Why they were talking, but they talked for, like, three seconds. She goes, huh? Well, love you, bye, bye. To the camera, collect her bag, got the out. We never saw her again.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

But to me, I'm like, you already. And I know she goes into remission and she is he. Like, she's. She doesn't have cancer by the end of the second movie.

[A]

Oh, thank God.

[B]

But it's one of those things where I'm like, killer. Like, it would make more sense for him to come.

[A]

Well, then.

[B]

Because all the other things. Well, if you can't get kid control.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Then let her go.

[C]

I hate when Shows me like that. She sent flowers when Big died. Like, that is nuts. That's crazy.

[A]

Maybe there was something in Kim Cattrell's writer that was like, she may not die. Maybe that's her. Maybe that's in her thing, you know, Maybe like how the Rock has. In his writer. He cannot lose a fight.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, that. Which is kind of funny. I love that. Yeah, maybe she does. Or. And maybe like, her team is like, keep it open. Cuz you. I'm like, I. I don't. If they kill her, you can't come

[C]

back at a certain point.

[B]

Close. Yeah. Yeah. But close the door. But yeah, maybe it's that, like, her team is like, if you kill her, she cannot come back. But yeah. So I don't know how we get there. We got to. What were we talking about?

[A]

I don't know, but I did. Oh, I was. I was giving you all the. The different girls.

[B]

Oh, yes.

[A]

The different groups. And who is who? I have. I have a couple more. Yeah, I do have. I have a couple more Golden Girls.

[B]

East side.

[A]

Upper east side.

[C]

Yes, I watched Golden Girls.

[A]

Okay, we go. Ryan, did you watch Golden Girls?

[B]

I did, and I think I know them well enough to be. Be able to do this.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I watch it with my mom, Dorothy,

[A]

Rose, Blanche, Sophia, and then we'll do. Or would y' all rather do Girls?

[C]

I don't know nothing about them people.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So, yeah, I think I'd rather do Golden Girls. I know. I watch Girls and I loved Girls.

[A]

Or would y' all rather do Living Single?

[C]

I like Golden Girls, but okay, let's

[B]

do Golden Girls and then Living Single. Okay, Golden Girls. I imagine Charlotte has to be Rose. No, sorry. The old lady. I always think the old lady is Rose. Who's the old lady?

[A]

Oh, Sophia.

[B]

Roses. Sophia. Charlotte has to be Sophia, like, just because they both have granny energy. Rose is Betty White, and Betty White was also a little hot in the pants. Blanche is the hottest in the pants.

[C]

Oh, yeah. No, Blanche is Smith.

[B]

Blanche is the whore. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Rose was hot in the pants. Like, innocently. I don't know how to describe it.

[B]

I see. Yeah. Like a. Like childlike. Ooh. Like, I want to have sex, but yeah, okay. Okay. I can see Charlotte baby her. And that would make Miranda Sophia then, because Sofia was crotchety and Miranda was kind of the mean one. And then obviously Blanche is Samantha. Like, easy. Like, hands down.

[C]

I mean, it's hands down.

[B]

But then I feel like Carrie is not. What is the other lady's name?

[A]

Dorothy.

[C]

What's the other one?

[B]

That's not. I guess Carrie has to be Sophia then. Or Sophie. You know what I mean? Like, because Dorothy is Miranda down. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[C]

That's fair.

[B]

And I guess, like, to me, that would make. I would put Rose with Carrie and Sophia with Charlotte before I put Charlotte anywhere else.

[C]

I think that's fair.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Cause I'm like. I think. Yeah. Cause Dorothy is clearly Miranda, Blanche is clearly Samantha, and then when the other two are left, it's like, well, Charlotte's not. Or, yeah, Carrie's not Rose. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's real living single.

[A]

Living single. Khadijah, Sinclair, Regine and Maxi. Wow.

[B]

Okay. I only want to put Maxine and Miranda together because they were both lawyers, but I feel like Maxine is kind of Samantha. You know what I mean?

[C]

No, but I kind of like Maxine and Miranda.

[B]

I. But I think Regine is so not Miranda. Regime maybe is Carrie.

[C]

Maybe I could see Regine is Carrie.

[B]

Oh, you know what? Yes, I agree. Regine is 100 Carrie and Miranda is Khadijah. Actually, that's what I think. Miranda is Khadijah, and then Samantha is Maxine, and then obviously Charlotte is. Kim is her name in real life. What is the name of the show?

[A]

Let me find it. Sinclair.

[B]

Sinclair.

[C]

Sinclair.

[B]

Yeah, I think that is the most. But, yes, I actually do think Khadijah is Miranda. And yes, Regime. Clearly Carrie. And then, yes, Sophia and. Or Samantha and Max.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

100. 100.

[A]

There we go.

[C]

That's fun. Thank you.

[A]

Thank you so much for indulging me. And then I want to talk about the Court, the character of New York City. This is like a show. There are several shows that make me feel like I need to do a stint in New York City. Girls,

[B]

I'm with you. That's crazy. Jewel, I'm so sorry.

[C]

Never in my life.

[B]

But you want to stay in Atlanta.

[A]

Not you place she from.

[B]

I'm just saying I can't. I've never seen a show that made me go, you know where I want to be. Atlanta.

[C]

I didn't choose to live here. Literally where I was plucked into.

[B]

And that's the craziest part, is that you didn't ever think, wow, there's got to be more to life.

[D]

I'm done.

[A]

I'm done. We're moving on.

[C]

Right? Here's the thing is, I did want to live in LA when I was younger.

[A]

So la, you did want to move because of the hills.

[C]

My best friend and I wanted to move to LA and do the Hills. I like la. I have a little place in la. I like the east coast, and I like the South.

[A]

So you're not from. You're not in the east coast, though. You're in the South.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

And you say you don't like New York. So do you like.

[C]

I like being an Eastern standard.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

All right. All right.

[B]

Construct. What does that even mean? Like what. What does I like Eastern standard Time mean? That effectively means nothing.

[C]

Are you okay?

[B]

I'm not.

[C]

My loved ones are here. I don't want to be three hours apart. I like being in.

[B]

Okay. That's what you have to elaborate now, what you said. You said, I like Eastern standard Time. And I'm saying, what does that mean?

[C]

And I have. I like being on Eastern standards. Excuse me.

[B]

I asked what does that mean? Because the standard time doesn't mean.

[C]

Why is everybody that's after you already on me being.

[B]

Because you.

[C]

I mean, liking the place from which I was born. Horn.

[B]

Because you needed to specify. Because the time zone. I gotta specify anything. All right, well, then you stay on the Eastern tone time zone, then.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I'll see you both on the Eastern time zone in a few days. New York as a character was always. We're. We're all going to Martha's Vineyard, y'. All. By the way, by the time this comes out, we'll have already.

[C]

And I would hate to carry it forward.

[A]

I would anyway.

[C]

I'd hate to bring that energy to

[B]

the Vineyard to be fighting on the. What?

[C]

You know what I'm saying? We on the boat, throwing hands.

[A]

I just want to do karaoke at. We're gonna do karaoke. I'm gonna find a karaoke bar. Yeah, I want.

[B]

You don't want to do karaoke. That's like. I want to do karaoke.

[C]

I asked for itinerary a month ago. I stopped asking. I assume I'll go where I was. Where I'm from.

[A]

Exactly. That's it. And we go into karaoke.

[B]

I just want it to be a vibe. We cannot plan the trip right here.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Y' all gonna stress me out with an itinerary.

[A]

Leave me alone. No, I don't.

[C]

It doesn't have to be anything rigid. I just wanted to. I just wanted ideas. Like, what kind of things did you want to do? It didn't have to be at a set place.

[B]

I just want to.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, be.

[A]

Be.

[C]

We'll just figure it out when we get there.

[B]

That's exact.

[A]

That's really. The vibe is. We'll figure it out when we get there. Finally, there are.

[B]

Okay. We. This is a whole other thing.

[A]

New York City as a character has really meant a lot to me. Like, my entire life, I've Watched shows that are in New York City or content that is just on the east coast in general. Even when I think about like the Cosby show that was in Philadelphia, but it was not in New York City, but it was on the east coast. You know, I think about like I can't think of no other damn show but you know, other shows was on the east coast. And I'll be like, wow, that seems great. Like a different. A whole different. Like an alternate universe. I grew up in Long Beach, California, so I'm like, wow, this is like an alternate universe. I could be a whole new. And then when I became of age and went to New York City for the first time and saw the difference with how I'm perceived in New York City, I said, I belong here.

[C]

Really?

[A]

I belong here.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

People in la, New York.

[C]

The first time when I was in college and I said

[A]

I also went for the first time in college and I was like, whoa.

[C]

New York didn't grow on me until after college when I knew people who were from there and I got to hang it. Like I went plate. Like I wasn't going as a, you know, transplant who was kind of like googling stuff to do. Like I was going with friends and they were taking me around and showing me their version of New York.

[A]

That's a big.

[C]

I never wanted to live there. I always was like, this is a place that is fun for me to come during the summer and have a good time. I will be going back and yeah, that's fair.

[B]

I get, I get that. I think living there would be a lot harder. This is from three people who have never lived in New York. I think living there does seem like it would be obviously a different scenario, but. But dealing with snow on a day to day basis might be hard, but I too have the energetic. Like when I'm there, there's a pep in my step. There's.

[A]

I'm telling you.

[B]

So like it's here. It's just. I'm like moving it away.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It's like the world is my oyster. I feel I can just go and do anything. And shows like this make me feel so have to be in the city.

[A]

It really does.

[B]

They also film on location. Like you can go on in New York, you can do a lot of Sex in the city tours where they will be like they stopped at these spots and then people were like dying to be on the show. Like, like the, the restaurants or hotels and stuff like that were begging to have this show come film there because they would see a Huge spike just

[C]

from it being even Friends. I love Friends. And there was never a part of me that was like, I need to. I loved Friends. Did you never. Yeah, I did.

[B]

I really was that in New York.

[A]

I actually don't know where New York

[B]

was set in New York, but it is. Is not. I think that they were all sets.

[C]

Yeah, that was definitely a set because I remember going to LA and going to the set.

[B]

Right. And I think that is between.

[A]

That's why Friends didn't resonate. I'm like, yeah, this don't feel like.

[C]

It didn't feel like New York.

[B]

New York is.

[A]

Well.

[B]

And also because New York isn't really a character in Friends is a character. And even Girls, like. Like, definitely is a character. And I feel like that is.

[C]

It's missing in 15 minutes of girls.

[A]

Jewel, I'm so surprised. You know, I think that you would love Girls.

[C]

I turned it on for 15 minutes. I didn't like it, so I turned it back off.

[A]

You got it.

[D]

You got it.

[A]

You gotta get past.

[B]

Give it a full episode or two.

[C]

It really.

[B]

It really is good.

[A]

Like, maybe we'll turn it on in Martha's Vineyard. Yeah, maybe we'll cut on a couple episodes of Martha.

[B]

It's fun. Like, it's one of those things where, like, I. I'm. Like some plot lines poke out at me, but I distinctly remember, like, wanting to hate girls. And like, I was like.

[A]

I'm sorry.

[C]

Was Adam Driver in that?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah, he's the main cuz.

[C]

I wanted more.

[B]

Same. Yeah, I was like, I didn't lie like this.

[A]

And I. And they lied. Adam Driver is not fine. Adam Driver.

[B]

Oh, I'm sorry. I missed this. You guys are wrong. He is fine. Sorry. Yeah, him and Steve Ryan.

[A]

You like ugly men? I think so.

[C]

Steve. Steve. That's what it gives to me.

[B]

What is that? I don't know what that.

[C]

You don't know that song.

[B]

I don't know.

[C]

You and her and my friend Steve. I don't know where that comes from.

[A]

Oh, I do kind of remember that. That just unlock something.

[C]

Not a friend, though.

[A]

I don't remember where that's from either, but I definitely remember those little lyrics. And me and you, Steve. And my friend Steve.

[C]

Yeah, Steve. That's what I think of when I think that, man.

[B]

I don't think I know that at all. Actually. Whatever that reference is, it might just

[C]

be a little Simon and Garfunkel song. I don't even know what the hell that got.

[A]

Okay. Yeah, you definitely lost me on That I don't know.

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

Anyways, I went to New York City for the first time when I was in college. My best friend went to school in nyu and so I feel like I was there with somebody who was pretty familiar with the city and. Oh, actually, yeah, my very first time, yeah, my best friend went to nyu, so we were there. And then my other best friend went to Harvard and he surprised me and came down and they had like, coordinated and so he was there, she was there, I was there. We had the best time of life. We were all 21. I think we were all freshly 21. Maybe somebody had just turned 22. We went out, blacked out, had shots. It was, it was such a New York City time. Like, stumbled into a random club. It was like a type club, and we were still having a good time. I've, you know, I've never had fun at an type event in my life except for that one time in New York City. Because the energy of the city does something to you.

[B]

It is, it's magical.

[A]

Become a new person, right? I was a brand new. And ever since then, I've just had a great time. Granted, my best friend has lived there for probably like, you know, since college. She's lived there for a long time now. So every time I go, I have a landing place. I know the spots. You know, we hang out and do all the things.

[B]

I love getting lost in New York too, because I'll just go out and wander. I'll just go, literally put some headphones in, hop on the train. Like, we'll see what happens. I love it. My favorite.

[A]

I like getting lost in Brooklyn too. I'll just like, center around food. I'll go wander the area. Like, I'll be like, okay, I want to try this Caribbean place. I'm gonna wander. I'm gonna try this seafood. I'm gonna wander.

[B]

You know, it's one of my favorite places. Or not one of. I, I, I feel confident saying this. My favorite place on earth is Times Square, specifically at 4am Specifically at 4am every time I go to New York, I make a point to one night, at least one night, stay up till 4am just to go to Times Square to stand there. Because, like, no one's out and the city is still so alive in terms of, like, the lights. There's still like music. It's just like the energy is still there, but it feels like a ghost town. And, like, it just is so magical. Like, I'm like, wow, millions of people have crossed through this spot today alone, like, every day, millions of people come through this area and you can just feel. I don't like the energy of it. I love it.

[A]

Like, what's such an interesting ritual? I kind of like. That's awesome. Yeah.

[B]

So that's where I. This is what I'm saying. When I. When I get proposed to, that is where I was like, that is where I want it to happen.

[A]

If someone proposes to you.

[C]

If I am.

[B]

Or. Sorry. Not when. If. If someone. Or I would do it, that's where I would do it. Like, that is where I want it to happen. I guess. Yes.

[C]

What if they don't want it there?

[B]

Then they're not my person. If and when we get engaged. If and when we get engaged, this

[C]

is Ryan being like, what if flash mob to High School Musical for Sequoia's engagement? And I'm like, that's what you would want.

[A]

That's what Ryan literally suggested. That's what Ryan literally suggested.

[C]

I suggest to you to save that for your proposal. That's not what scoiling.

[B]

That's what that is not. I think I even brought this up to you later. You would like it. Sort of. You like the idea of it.

[A]

I like. I think it's fun. It's camp. But like. Yeah. Not as an actual.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Can you imagine that I am standing somewhere and I hear Sequoia

[C]

loud.

[A]

Like somebody standing up in a crowd. A quiet place. I'm leaving. Yeah, I'm leaving. I'm embarrassed.

[C]

I don't even.

[A]

I don't even mess with that.

[B]

It's fine. Garrett would have never done it.

[C]

But also, I wasn't. I hadn't even part of. And you have to get Garrick to do it.

[A]

And there's no world Gar.

[B]

But wasn't going to go. It was cute.

[D]

It would.

[C]

Well, you know, it takes all different time types of people to make the world. Somebody has to like Atlanta and someone has to like Times Square. Thank God every. Thank God everybody got something they like. Hey.

[B]

Right. You know, I appreciate that.

[A]

I'm more of a DC Girl myself. Let's split the difference.

[B]

I love now, dc, you are your birthday twin now.

[C]

I love some. I love some dc.

[A]

What are you saying, Ryan? Are you.

[B]

Your birthday.

[A]

Are you being funny?

[B]

Y' all both love dc. I see. Trying to stay there.

[A]

First of all, that doesn't spend any time there.

[C]

Who is your birthday twin?

[A]

He likes to be at Mar a Lago and in Trump Towers. That doesn't spend anything.

[C]

I forgot about that.

[A]

Okay, so let's start there. I also found out that some of my other birthday twins are gonna and miss Piggy. Freddie Gibbs. Thank you. Oh,

[B]

this is scary. I don't know.

[A]

At least two of them I respect to some degree.

[C]

You like Freddie Gibbs?

[A]

I like his music.

[B]

I said I don't. I know who he is by name. I don't think I actually know who I know.

[A]

I know his personal track record is a little bit sketchy.

[C]

Doors. Freddy Gibbs.

[A]

Yeah, his music is great.

[B]

Is he dating Adele?

[C]

Don't he do a little crack?

[A]

You know what? You know what? What is a Gemini if not a crackhead?

[C]

And now that you. I didn't know he was a Gemini. Maybe I could have given him grace had I known.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

I ain't gonna lie. When you said Freddie gives. I envisioned Frankie Beverly the singer. Huh. That is who I had in mind.

[C]

How did Adele get into it? Is what I'm trying to understand.

[A]

Well, sorry.

[B]

And then I googled Freddie Gibbs and then I'm looking at this man and I think he looks like skepta.

[A]

Who?

[B]

I do skepta. Adele.

[A]

And I think she skepta in the da.

[B]

Look like Freddie gives it off.

[C]

Are you okay?

[A]

Are you okay having a seizure?

[B]

I didn't know what Freddie Gibbs looked I didn't know what Skepta looked like until this moment. I thought he had to see if

[C]

you do a little something too. In a minute.

[A]

Quite literally. Is Hunter Biden your birthday twin and

[B]

you need to do a little something. It's not right.

[C]

Freddie Gibbs the skepta to Frankie Beverly. Freddie Gibbs to Frankie Beverly. Mind you. I'm sorry.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

That's who I thought Adele and Adele was right?

[A]

That was the craziest sequence of events.

[B]

Freddie Gibbs and Frankie Beverly don't not look alike.

[A]

Ryan, shut the hell up. Okay. Okay. Woo. Are there any other plot points? Because we so far off the goddamn.

[B]

We really are.

[A]

I mean, are there any other Sex and the City plot points that we would like to cover before we wrap up?

[B]

We briefly covered the sticky note, which is iconic. Kirstie Alley has one of the most iconic moments on the show. She in it. She's a recurring character who is like their very chaotic friend. Kind of like, you know when you are an adult and you have a drunken friend who just kind of never got out of there. Like, we all are still kind of party girls, but there's like a friend who's like, oh, you're still a party girl.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So she plays that kind of character. And they're and the way they breeze by this in the show. So they're at a party. She's standing by a window, and she wants to party harder. And she thinks everyone is boring. She famously turns around with her cigarette in her hand and think, nobody wants to have fun anymore. Whatever happened to fun? Falls out of the window and dies? And then if I remember correctly, they kind of just move on with the show. Like, they talk about her dying.

[C]

Yeah, I don't remember.

[B]

And they, like, cut to another whole other.

[A]

Like, Sex in the City is so silly.

[C]

No, I'm telling you, that's really silly. Cause it's just like.

[B]

And then. I'm sorry. Yeah. It's a very chaotic moment. Let me show you Louisa's purse, because. So the movies are. One is bad.

[C]

It feels racist to me, and I'm

[A]

not gonna back down from that Louisa purse. Okay, hold on.

[C]

Jennifer Hudson.

[B]

So Jennifer Hudson play. Yeah. Jennifer Hudson plays Carrie's assistant in the first Sex in the City movie. And, like, she talks about how she wants this Louis Vuitton purse, and she is very much like, oh, child, all I want is this. Oh, my God. Real Louis Vuitton. I would dream for that. Oh, my God. Okay.

[C]

And then she's Louie from St. Ain't Louie. Because she's like, it's just a whole.

[B]

It's so annoying. And then at the end of the movie, maybe the middle of the movie, like, as a gift to, like, because Carrie's life is falling apart, Big head left her at the altar. Yada, yada, yada. Lots goes on the movie. Watch the movie. And then we get to it. And this is the purse.

[C]

My first Louis.

[A]

I never thought I'd get you guys. I know good and damn well that's not a face with a tongue coming out. I know it's not. Is that a face on it? Oh, it.

[B]

Look, let me pull up the actual purse.

[C]

And it's like, she got it from, like, the real, real. This was clearly sponsored thing. Like, she got it from, like, one of those, like, secondhand, like, I can't remember what it was. This, like, you got paid to mention this, like, website of where you can get luxury goods and Louis Vuitton.

[B]

I'm sure paid to have this b. This probably was a part of, like, a new line. Like, I'm sure it was a synergy for movie ugly.

[A]

This bag is disgusting. Like, it actually makes me, like, stuff.

[C]

And I'm like, it wasn't as bad as I thought it was.

[B]

This is bad.

[A]

It's worse. It's worse.

[C]

It's worse.

[A]

What are those? What are those pink buttons?

[B]

Same.

[A]

I. Yeah. What are those dots?

[B]

I didn't remember being this bad. I thought it was brown. It being black, red and yellow makes it worse.

[C]

I thought it had a sheen to it. I didn't think it was.

[B]

The bottom appears to have that sheen, but this does feel matte.

[C]

But I thought the whole bag.

[B]

Same. I thought it was like a leather or something. This looks like a cloth.

[C]

And I thought it was like a brown, like a chocolate.

[B]

It's way worse in real life. Very, very bad.

[C]

How much that bag cost?

[B]

Let's see. You know what else? But I'm saying that shows you. Jennifer Hudson deserved that.

[A]

Y' all will not keep calling a Birkin and a Kelly ugly when bags like this exist.

[B]

I agree.

[C]

Birkins and Kelly's are ugly, all right. I think some of them can be. But I think.

[B]

Don't put it on me. I don't think I've ever said it was ugly.

[A]

Oh, you didn't? I don't think somebody. Somebody I know thinks is a TJ Maxx bag.

[C]

Disposable income. I would definitely.

[B]

I think it is simple, but I don't think it's ugly. I think it's very simple, but it's not ugly. This bag cost 6, 700, which is cheaper than I expected it to be, but still not worth it.

[C]

What I had in my brain, I had about 2 to 3.

[B]

They also came in other colorways.

[C]

2300, not 100, 2000 to 3000. But also, remember, I didn't know how much a Chanel bag cost.

[A]

Cost ten grand. Yeah, that's. That's a rack. That's.

[B]

Yeah, they came in other colorways. It's worse.

[A]

Stop.

[C]

Don't show me that bag no more. And I'm not playing.

[A]

Oh, my God. You know what? The green. The green, yellow and pink one is better than the other one. It is better, but it's better there. It's hideous, but it's better.

[B]

You right now. Some AKA out there wears this down.

[A]

Nobody wears that.

[B]

Free day and AKA does. I bet you.

[C]

How does the yellow fit into the.

[B]

She cover it up with her arm.

[C]

I didn't even write green.

[A]

She.

[B]

Hold it like this.

[A]

Hold it like this.

[C]

I'm offended. I'm telling you. Like, for her and everything she did. Mind you, Jennifer Hudson's character is the main reason that Carrie and Big get back together. Because. Okay, the movies are glazed over, kid. Think about it. So, yeah, they're not good. And there's again. And both of them are racist.

[B]

So yeah, the second one takes pause. We're not gonna go there. But the second one takes place in Dubai. And when I tell you those white women are the most rare. It very. It's so.

[C]

I don't want to talk about it.

[B]

It all feels like no, it is literally an ad for Dubai and the things they do, the way that they make. Sorry, I can't. Because the second one is like actively bad in the way.

[C]

No, no, no, no. The second one is like, oh, I'm. Yeah, okay, so listen. So Carrie and Big are gonna get married. Carrie is a fashion girly carrot. Carrie is like on the COVID of a bridal magazine. She's doing all of this stuff crazy. This is the Sex in the City columnist and she's getting married. Like this is the talk of the town. Big tries to go to her and is like, what if we just ran off and we just went to city hall and we just did something real low key? And she's like, haha, wouldn't that be something? She ignores him. She shows up to the big ass wedding with the doo doo. It was like very extravagant. He don't show up. As she getting ready to leave. He come around the corner like I've made a grave mistake because I didn't show up to my wedding. She's like, I am humiliated and Charlotte is flowers.

[B]

That's what it just don't.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Like it is a scene in the middle of the damn street. Right?

[B]

Girls, get it together.

[C]

So Carrie is like, I can never speak to you again. You stood me up at the altar. And it's not even like you stood me up in front of my friends. Like this was the talk of the town. I was on a bridal magazine. Like everybody knows that you stood me up. We can never speak again. Which is correct, valid. And Charlotte said no. Like I can't talk to you. My friend said, no, I can't talk to you anymore. But she starts to miss him. She tells Louise from St. Louis with that ugly ass bag. She says, block him. Delete everything. If he sends me an email, delete it. I never want to see anything from him again. Louise from St. Louis is a romantic. So instead of deleting all of the emails, she saves them in a folder. And then I guess later on, Carrie has lived her life. She stumbles upon the. She stumbles upon the folder and the password is like love or something stupid. And she types it in and it pops open with all of the emails he sent her about how he's made a grave mistake. And that is how they reconnect and they go to city hall and they get married and they live happily ever after until he falls over time.

[A]

Now, in Lou's defense, I too would have done that.

[C]

I wouldn't have done that.

[A]

No.

[B]

The big them put her through it. You get through the series and then tell us if you would have done as big as

[C]

if this had been a perfect love story. If this had been a perfect love story. And he got cold feet. Cuz, mind you, he did come now the wedding was over, but he did circle back in his little limo, right?

[B]

So he had. He also didn't like he was saying, hey, this is a lot.

[C]

He had been trying to tell her, this is a lot. I'm overwhelmed. I tried to tell you I wanted something small. He got cold feet. But like very quickly, although not quick quickly enough. Circled back with his little limo to try to. You know what I'm saying? To try to show up and do the thing. If that had been his only faux pas, we could have made. Probably not, but we could have considered

[B]

making some shake because, mind you, this is the second. He. He already had his wife. She was.

[C]

Someone has lost her tooth.

[B]

This is after.

[C]

Someone has lost.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

On the front of this love story, this man has actively told you put yourself first, because I'm never going to.

[A]

I, I think I would have saved the letters, but I wouldn't have hoped that they go back. Not in the hopes.

[C]

What are you saving the letters?

[A]

Like the. This is not my business to make sure.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You know what I'm like, I'm not deleting it. I'm not deleting these. Like, I'll put them somewhere you don't have to see them. You know what I mean? And maybe one day you'll look back and you'll laugh and you'll want to know what he said, but maybe you won't go back. You know, like type, type.

[C]

This is the one thing that me and Kyrie do have in common. Specifically me and my 20s. Me and my 30s is very different. If I look at the letters, I do have to call you. We do got to get back together.

[A]

And now.

[B]

And now.

[C]

And now.

[B]

Now you got a heart attack on a pillow.

[A]

Time.

[B]

Cuz we got back together.

[C]

I look at the letters, I got to respond to the letter. Cuz I felt I saw something in there that compelled me to send the letter. Now we at. Now I'm at your house.

[A]

Oh no.

[C]

Now we back together.

[B]

There is also One scene that makes me laugh every time I watch it. It's like from. I believe this was the finale of the show when Par or Carrie is in Paris and like she walks out on the balcony and Petty caddy and petty. Exactly this.

[C]

And she like, looks with the curls. That was also iconic.

[A]

That's ugly ass.

[C]

The curls were also iconic.

[B]

And it makes me laugh every time because. What do you mean you didn't see the Eiffel Tower? You walked outside. Why are you so shocked by the Eiffel Tower when you literally walked out and just like, like it surprised you? Sorry. It makes me laugh simply because you were not shocked by the Eiffel Tower. It makes.

[C]

Here's the thing. This is why I drag her, but this is why I love her. To me, Carrie is the epitome of being just a girl. Like, have we not all. Do you know what I mean?

[B]

No, no, I'm not just.

[C]

Y' all want a little silly over a man in your 20s?

[A]

Oh, well, I think I was taking it past silly. I think I was. I think I was hurtful to men in my 20s.

[C]

No, I was a little hurt.

[B]

I was a little silly.

[D]

Yeah, that's.

[C]

I wasn't hurt hurting him. I was getting hurt.

[B]

You know what that does make me. She is. She's just.

[C]

What bothers me is she took it. She should have stopped years ago. You know what I mean? We've moved past the.

[B]

She's not 20 of it all. Yeah.

[C]

She's not in her 20s.

[B]

She started at 31.

[C]

Yeah. So the issue with me is that we have moved past youthful ignorance. But when I watch her, I'm like, oh, to be young. To be young.

[B]

You know what? I think Sex in the city is the reason we say 30 is the new 20. They make us again in our adult years. So grateful for the show.

[A]

Hell yeah.

[C]

I wouldn't want to live it. But I do understand.

[B]

Goes.

[C]

Yeah, no, thank you.

[A]

I'm glad I'm not there in my. In my 30s show.

[C]

You are actively. I feel like they happen there when you turn 30.

[B]

What do you mean there? I think that they. Oh, cuz she's still birdish. She's just. I mean, I think.

[C]

Right.

[A]

I'm glad I'm not Carrie. Yeah. In my 30s.

[C]

Oh, I see. Well, yes, fair enough.

[A]

Yeah. Well, I think that's it for today's episode of Black People Love Paramore. Thank you so much for joining both of you. We love having the whole crew and it seems like the listeners enjoy when all of us are here as well. Per usual, you can find us everywhere that you listen to podcasts, including YouTube. If you ever want to see what we look like. Sometimes we still do get comments being like I had no idea what y' all look like. I'm so surprised with what y' all look like. And it always offends me a little bit. But if you want to offend me with that comment it, go for it. The link to our YouTube will be in the show notes. And yeah, you can always email us too at blackpeople love paramore gmail.com you can follow us across all social media platforms at BPLP Pod. Bye bye. You.