Casters on Casters: Sequoia Holmes, Ella McLeod, and Dimitry Pompée

Summary

Podcast Summary: Black People Love Paramore

Episode: Casters on Casters: Sequoia Holmes, Ella McLeod, and Dimitry Pompée
Date: April 20, 2026
Host: Sequoia Holmes
Guests: Ella McLeod (Comfort Creatures), Dimitry Pompée (Eurovangelists)

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Main Theme

This special crossover episode features a candid, humorous, and insightful conversation between three podcasters—Sequoia Holmes, Ella McLeod, and Dimitry Pompée—about the art and realities of making successful niche podcasts. They delve into show-specific challenges, listener interactions, co-host dynamics, and the intersection of politics, identity, and community in podcasting.

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Introductions & Podcast Overviews

[01:17–04:39]

• Ella McLeod introduces Comfort Creatures:
  “We talk about creatures great and small, mythical and real… we’re a warm cup of tea on an autumnal day… if that sounds like your cup of tea—pun intended—we might be for you.” [01:17]
• Dimitry Pompée explains Eurovangelists:
  “We are a show all about the Eurovision Song Contest...we are currently at war with the European Broadcasting Union...defending the soul of Eurovision.” [02:17]
• Sequoia Holmes breaks down Black People Love Paramore:
  “Contrary to the title, it is not a podcast about the band Paramore. It’s a show about the common as well as the uncommon interests of Black people.” [03:46]
  Noteworthy: Sequoia has even had Hayley Williams (of Paramore) as a guest and covers diverse topics from Lizzie McGuire to Love is Blind and Pokémon.

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Generational Cutoffs & Cultural Markers

[04:46–05:49]

• Sequoia defines “true Millennials” as those born up to 1990; calls those born '91–'97 “zillennial.”
  “My answer for the millennial cutoff...I'm going to go 1990. I consider like ‘91 to ‘97 zillennial.” [04:52]
• Dimitry’s take: It’s less about years and more about remembering certain cultural phenomena (e.g., dial-up internet).
  “If you are among the last people who remembers the sound of dial up, you’re a millennial.” [05:28]

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Politics in Podcasting: The Eurovision Dilemma

[05:49–08:22]

• Dimitry describes the difficulty and political drama surrounding Eurovision’s relationship with the European Broadcasting Union (EBU), especially regarding Israel’s participation amid current events in Gaza.
  • “To be a member of the EBU...Israel has been a part...for decades...there were supposed to be a vote to exclude them from the 2026 contest...a series of legislative maneuvers...the countries that wanted to have that vote were denied...five broadcasters left.” [05:55–07:16]
  • Countries leaving: Ireland, Slovenia, Netherlands, Iceland. [07:17]
• Guests discuss artists’ reluctance to appear on the show due to political fear.
  • Ella: “I guessed it on your show and that was a concern I had...participating in Eurovision has been really contentious [in the UK]. It gets quite heated.” [07:41]

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The Struggles of Podcast Consistency & Evolving Formats

[08:22–10:02]

• Sequoia shares her struggle with making the show weekly (hint: big announcement—show will now go weekly with new celebrity/influencer interview formats).
  • “Now I have the capacity for a weekly show...Every other week will feature a celebrity or an influencer.” [09:01]
• Dimitry praises Sequoia’s experimentation and adaptability, which Sequoia jokingly attributes to her Gemini nature.
  • “Thank you for that optimistic spin on calling me a flaky Gemini.” [10:02]

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Emotional and Logistical Challenges in Podcasting

[10:24–11:42]

• Ella: Joy and joy-challenge balance in Comfort Creatures; juggling transatlantic time zones and handling frequent pet loss stories.
  • “We have such an amazing and dedicated community...but we deal with a lot of stories of like pet loss and pet grief...we’re just like crying on the podcast.” [10:33–11:42]

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Fun Discussions: Black Cat Owners & Pop Culture Hot Takes

[11:44–12:40]

• Doechii says cats aren’t friendly—panel disagrees.
  • “Maybe Doechii has just never been able to earn a cat's love...Maybe that says something more about her than it does about cats.” —Dimitry [12:09]
  • Sequoia: “There needs to be a support group for black people who are cat people.” [12:29]

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Listener Communities: Impact & Interactions

[13:00–15:55]

• Eurovangelists’ global, participatory fanbase:
  • “Our listeners make the show better...they’re the fourth host.” —Dimitry [13:12]
• Black People Love Paramore listeners keep Sequoia accountable—sometimes ruthlessly!
  • “They are quick to let me know, like, yeah, that wasn’t cute...My favorite thing is to give a piece of media synopsis...It’s always a trash synopsis because I’m not good at doing that. And it’s kind of purposefully trash, you know, a little bit funny.” [14:10–15:33]
  • Notable moment: "With the utmost respect, you called Meowth Hello Kitty." —Dimitry [15:33]
• Comfort Creatures listeners create a photo-sharing, positivity-saturated vibe.
  • “All I want to do is show people pictures of my cat...the podcast is just us doing that...and then all our listeners’ pets and then, like, fictional creatures…” —Ella [16:16]

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Fantasy Writing & Shared Niche Interests

[17:06–17:38]

• Ella is also a novelist—her third book, Andromeda, touches Greek myth and anime.
  • “That’s another thing black people love: Greek myth.” —Ella [17:25]
  • Sequoia: “I need to do an episode on that.” [17:30]
  • Ella: “That is so, oh my God, get me on! I have so many things to say.” [17:32]

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Co-Hosting vs Solo Podcasting

[17:48–21:12]

• All three strongly prefer co-hosting, citing the need for dynamic perspectives and accountability.
  • Dimitry: “No one in the world needs to hear your Evangelist by Dimitry Pompei because it’ll be a four hour lecture about Norway...” [18:02]
  • Ella: “Without Alexis, this podcast is me as a, like, kid that grew up in South London being like, wow, a squirrel.” [18:45]
  • Sequoia shares the journey from solo host (with guests) to co-hosting with friends, leading to a more sustainable, vibrant dynamic. Touching tale: her best friends formally “applied” for the role. [19:58–21:12]

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Notable Quotes

• “We are generally just like a cozy time. We're a warm cup of tea on an autumnal day.” —Ella [01:17]
• “[Eurovision] is supposed to be this camp spectacle of sequins that also has this real political thing at its heart.” —Ella [08:11]
• “Thank you for that optimistic spin on calling me a flaky Gemini.” —Sequoia [10:02]
• “They are quick to let me know...They’re very vocal on Spotify comments.” —Sequoia [14:10]
• “Our listeners make the show better...they’re the fourth host.” —Dimitry [13:12]
• “No one in the world needs to hear your Evangelist by Dimitry Pompei because it’ll be a four hour lecture about Norway ...” —Dimitry [18:02]

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Key Timestamps

• [01:17] – Guest/podcast introductions
• [05:49] – Eurovision, politics, and guest participation
• [08:22] – Challenges of podcast consistency; Black People Love Paramore goes weekly
• [10:33] – Comfort Creatures and navigating grief stories
• [12:07] – Doechii’s anti-cat comment debated
• [13:12] – Importance of listener communities
• [17:25] – Spontaneous brainstorm: Black people and Greek myth
• [18:02–21:12] – Co-hosting vs solo hosting; practical and personal reflections

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Memorable Moments

• Sequoia’s hilarious, purposely “trash” episode recaps and Spotify comment experiments [14:49]
• Ella’s friends at a party bonding for hours over cat photos—“None of us care about our jobs...I want to talk about your cat and the crazy stuff they get up to.” [16:16]
• Friends earnestly “applying” to be co-hosts, turning a friendship into creative partnership [20:42]

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Episode Takeaways

The behind-the-scenes realities of niche podcasting are full of logistical hustle, emotional moments, and genuine connection— among hosts, listeners, and the larger culture. Each show’s distinct identity, from Eurovision standoffs to joyful pet chronicles and Black pop culture deep dives, grows in dialogue with dedicated, opinionated, and delightfully outspoken communities.

Flow, humor, and community are the heart of a successful podcast—and, as these casters-on-casters show, nobody does it alone.

Transcript

[A]

Hi y', all, it's Sequoia and I just wanted to wish everyone a happy first day of Max Fun Drive. MFD is the absolute best time of year to support Black People Love Paramore because we go all out to create fun content like what you're about to hear right now. MFD will run until May 1st, but if you want to support Black People Love Paramore or other shows on the network today, help us kick off the drive with a very strong start, just visit maximumfun.org join or click the link in your episode notes. Black People Love Paramore. You guys, the listeners are the best listeners in the world. I appreciate y' all down real bad. Enjoy the show. Bye.

[B]

Welcome to Casters on Casters conversations about the art and craft of podcasting with the masters of the medium, the magicians of the microphone, the titans of tightening up silences. On today's show, Dimitri Pompeii, Eurovangelists, Sequoia Holmes, Black People Love paramore. And Ella McLeod, comfort creatures.

[C]

So why don't we start by telling everybody what Max Fun shows we're on just in case we've got some cross pollination happening and people don't know who won. One or other of us is. So I'll go first. I'm Ella McLeod. I am the co host of Comfort Creatures. I co host with the gorgeous, the inimitable, the perfect Alexis B. Preston and we talk about creatures great and small, mythical and real. We are generally just like a cozy time. We're a warm cup of tea on an autumnal day. Even though it's not autumn right now, I kind of wish it was. We're a very autumn coded podcast. So if that sounds like your cup of tea pun very much intended, we might be for you.

[B]

We do need more of that in the world. That's absolutely true.

[C]

I think so. It's a gray place right now. We're trying to bring the kind of the gold and the burgundies to how we're all feeling. What do you guys do? Who are you?

[A]

Demetri? You go ahead, tell them who you are.

[B]

You know what, thank you, Sequoia. I appreciate that. I'm Dimitri Pompeii. I am one of the hosts of the youe Evangelist podcast alongside my brilliant improviser comedian pal Oscar Montoya and Jeremy Bent. You probably know Jeremy from Mission to ZYX as well. We are a show all about the Eurovision Song Contest, an annual competition in Europe to find the best song that each nation has to offer and find out what the best song in Europe is usually we're a show about how amazing Eurovision is and sharing the goals of Eurovision with the world. We are currently at war with the European Broadcasting Union for reasons that will probably come from this discussion. So we are trying to defend the soul of the Eurovision Song Contest while trying to save it from those who organize it. That said, we're having a great time talking about Eurovision. We're having a great time listening to all these songs. And I love sharing Eurovision with the world. That's what we do.

[A]

Wow, an evangelist, truly. Eurovangelist, if you will.

[B]

This is what my mother always wanted me to be. Slightly different religion, slightly different God, but, you know, that's okay. I'm trying.

[A]

Yeah, you do what you do. You live.

[C]

I love it for you.

[A]

That is such an interesting, like, gap. Like, I'm so interested to hear what is going on. Sounds like some tease, some drama.

[C]

It's gonna come in conversation.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't want to suck up the air here, Sequoia, so I'm gonna pass the ball back to you. Tell the people about your amazing show.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Black people love Paramore.

[A]

Thank you. Thank you. So, as Demetri just lobbed to me so nicely, I have a pop culture show called Black People Love Paramore. Contrary to the title, it is not a podcast about the band Paramore. It's a show about the common as well as the uncommon interests of black people. We have talked about Paramore. I've actually had Haley Williams on the show. She asked if she can come on the show. That will come up in this episode, I'm sure. And yeah, we've done other episodes. We have, like, Elizabeth McGuire episode that just did pretty well, I think. There's a Twilight episode. It's just, like, kind of nostalgic, but not always. We did, like, a Love is Blind episode. We do stuff. It's fun over here. So if you're a pop culture girly, if you are a zillennial, a millennial, a Gen Z, we're here. This is. This is who we are. And also, my name is Sequoia, in case I did not say that already.

[B]

If you want to hear Sequoia, figure out what Pokemon are. It's also a show for that.

[A]

We did just do Pokemon. I don't know nothing about that.

[C]

What's the millennial cut off? Like, as the resident pop culture expert, like, what's the year that defines you?

[A]

I'm curious to hear Yalls answers. My answer for the millennial cut off, like, you are A, you're squarely millennial. Like, you have no other little tidbit of any other generation in you. I'm going to go 1990. I feel like the other 90s babies tend to have a little bit of. A little bit of Gen Z in there. Gen Z, you know, and so that's. I consider like 91 to like 97. Zillennial.

[B]

Interesting.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

I don't. I don't know if it's so much a year myself. I think there's a defining moment.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And I think that if you are among the last people who remembers the sound of dial up Internet, you're a millennial.

[C]

I remember. Yeah.

[B]

Welcome to the club, my friends.

[A]

See, that puts me in a different group than I had otherwise put myself, you know, But I'll take it. I'm not mad.

[B]

I'm mentally 86 years old. I'm very happy about it.

[C]

I mean, it's very 86 of you to be taking on European institutions. Can you tell us what's going on, Dimitri?

[B]

You know, that's a great question because we want to have a discussion about what it's like to make our shows. And it's very interesting because Eurovision is a product of the European Broadcasting Union. They are the ones who came up with it. They're the ones who run it every year. And they are an organization that is supposed to defend independent public broadcasting around the world. Think a global pbs, one for every country. And, you know, you read the news, we all understand what's happening in Gaza right now. And to be a member of the European Broadcasting Union, all you have to do is have public broadcasting that does arts and news. So, yes, Israel has been a part of the European Broadcasting Union for decades at this point. And their involvement in the Eurovision Song Contest is a subject of great debate. And there were supposed to be a vote on whether to exclude them from the 2026 edition of the contest. At a meeting of the EBU in December, the EBU used a series of legislative maneuvers that are, let's say, the envy of Mitch McConnell to avoid that vote. And what do you know, the countries that wanted to have that vote were denied the opportunity. So Israel slid right in. And that led to five broadcasters leaving the Eurovision Song Contest for museum.

[C]

Who's left?

[B]

Ireland, Slovenia, the Netherlands and Iceland.

[C]

So, okay, yeah, that's truly, truly like a lot of the very sound ones. Like, I'm not really that surprised by

[B]

those, to be honest, but a difficulty. We in our show is people, we actively. I'll tell you straight up. We actively have people who are like, I don't want to guest on your show because I'm afraid everyone's going to think I'm an ally of one party or another party.

[C]

Oh, yeah, no, that is. But, but I guessed it on your show and that was a concern I had because I have genuinely. I mean, it's like. And also I live in the uk, right? So this is like a big. This is something, this is talked about quite a lot. Like various artists from the UK participating in Eurovision has been like, really, really contentious. Really? Yeah, it gets, it's got quite heated the last couple of years that be

[A]

going on around the world. That like, as a little silly American, I don't even know, but it's just happening.

[C]

It's so wild that it's like Eurovision that's like this, this camp spectacle of sequence that also has this like real political thing at its heart.

[B]

I just wanted to make a simple podcast about a silly little song contest and the world blew up on me. But I want to hear more about difficulties you two have about your shows because we are putting in the work here. Like, this is fun. I love doing this work, but it's hard to make a podcast. It's hard to make a successful podcast like both of you have done. What are some difficulties you face?

[A]

Hmm? Okay. So since the impetus of my show, it has been every other week, I know in my heart it should be weekly. I've always known this. Do I have the capacity for a weekly show? Historically, no. So I've been able to produce the best possible thing I could every other week. Now I don't have a job now I have the capacity for a weekly show. So this show is about to go weekly. This is the first time. This is the first time listeners will hear this. So the show's about to go weekly and I actually have a new format that I'm going to be trying out, which is going to be like celebrity or influencer type interviews in the in between slots. So the show is. So every other week there it will feature a celebrity or an influencer. You know, something like that. A little interview, a little game, something cute for the girls and then we'll keep pushing. So that's what I've historically struggled with, is just keeping up with the level of output that I know would be beneficial for the success of, of the show.

[B]

I'm a big fan, in case you didn't know. Come on now. Now you have an opportunity in this new free time of yours to experiment again. And that's really. I admire that, that, that constant evolution you have in the show.

[A]

Thank you for that optimistic spin on calling me a flaky Gemini. I really appreciate that. That is. That is perfect. I love the way you put it. Yes.

[B]

I don't know if you knew this about me, Sequoia. I used to be a lobbyist, so. Whoa.

[C]

You know what?

[A]

That makes so much sense. That really makes sense.

[C]

That makes sense, Dimitri.

[A]

And you're in dc, right?

[B]

I am.

[C]

Oh, wow. That makes a ton of sense.

[B]

Let's continue. Madea makes a podcast. Ella, what's it like? What's it like making Comfort Creatures? Can I.

[C]

It's mostly.

[A]

Yeah, that was a good one.

[C]

I'm into it. Yeah, it's really good. Yeah. This is brought to you by Tyler Perry and Fun. Comfort Creatures is honestly so joyful. Like, it really is like the little slice of joy that in the middle of my week. And I totally get what you mean about consistency being difficult. I mean, Alexis are podcasting from completely different time zones, so that can be a real struggle as well. Like being so far away from each other and having to record at crazy times, like right before she's going into the office or at like 11 o' clock at night or whatever for me. But. And then I think the other thing is, you know, we have such an amazing and dedicated, like, community of, of of listeners. People love talking about their pets and contributing stories about their pets, but we deal with a lot of stories of like pet loss and pet grief. And that can be. Alexa and I, both such emotional people. So there's lots of episodes where we're just like crying on the podcast because someone's written in a really beautiful letter about, you know, their childhood dog that meant a lot to them and has passed away. And we, we really try and like hold space for that and like honor our listeners and share those stories. But yeah, it can be, it can just be really emotional at times.

[B]

Yeah, I can believe that.

[A]

I'm just curious about your. Both of your thoughts on. I don't know if y' all saw this. Do Chi saying that she doesn't think that cats are friendly.

[C]

She's wrong.

[A]

I have two cats. I disagree.

[B]

I don't think she's the anti cat agenda. I'm very tired of it.

[C]

I'm so tired of it.

[B]

I'm a cat guy. You know what I like about a cat is that a cat is self reliant. You have to earn a cat.

[C]

And there are different pets out there

[B]

where they'll just give it Away for free. I think when you earn a cat's love, that is a truly special thing. And maybe Dochi has just never been able to earn a cat's love. Maybe that says something more about her than it does about cats.

[A]

You feel me?

[C]

It really pains me because truly, like Dochi, like I worship at heart, Halter. I love her so much and it broke my heart.

[A]

There needs to be a support group for black people who are cat people,

[C]

because the way that other black people slandering us, for sure, totally.

[B]

Ella, for your sake, I will Recommend Linda Martin's 1992 Eurovision winning song, why Me? In which she recounts the feeling she has when the love of her life actively chooses her. And what a beautiful feeling that is. That's you and your cat, you know?

[C]

Yeah, it truly. It's such a beautiful relationship.

[A]

Demetra, you have like an encyclopedic knowledge of Eurovision. It is quite impressive, I must say.

[B]

Thank you, Sequoia. Many people would call it a brain disease.

[A]

Okay, well, that's one spin on it.

[B]

But that's the thing. I love this contest more than life itself. And I also love the fact that so many of my listeners either are learning to love it through the show or have loved it for many years and want to share things that I never knew. Because we have a worldwide listener base, almost 70 countries. Listen to your evangelist. And I learned something new about the contest every week. Last week we were talking about the Italian selection contest, Sanremo. And yes, I took three semesters of Italian in college. I should have failed all three of them, but I didn't somehow, so I didn't know what the hell was going on. We had an Italian reporter who listens to the show every week write in and tell us everything, the drama behind the scenes, who was what. What was going on, who was causing all sorts of trouble. Our listeners make the show better. In essence, they're the fourth host of the show. Really?

[A]

I love that.

[B]

I imagine you both have amazing relationships with your listeners. But like, what's it like? How do they contribute to your shows, our listeners?

[A]

Oh, my God, they keep me very accountable. They're like, hey, girl, don't come on here talking about. You don't know about whatever the topic is again. So, for instance, when I did the Pokemon episode, I don't like Pokemon. I had to bring on an additional person. Usually it'll just be me and my co host, but I needed there to be a third person so that my co host, who actually cares about Pokemon, would be able to Have a productive and interesting conversation that fans who actually enjoy Pokemon would like. So they are quick to let me know, like, yeah, that wasn't cute. That was cool. They. They're very vocal on Spotify comments.

[B]

Like, our Spotify comments are like, that's a new thing.

[A]

Rather extensive, like, out. My favorite thing to do lately is to give a little synopsis of whatever the piece of media is that we're dissecting that day. So for Pokemon, I was like, pokemon is about blah, blah, blah. And it's always a trash synopsis because I'm not good at doing that. And it's kind of purposefully trash, you know, a little bit funny. And I asked them to rate it out of five in the comments. Like, I'll ask them to put five stars if it was good. One time I asked them to put some stars in the comments if it was good. I don't remember what the topic was. When I tell you I did not get a single star in the comments to the point where I had to come back the next episode. And I was like, hey, so I know y' all heard me when I say, put that in there. I didn't appreciate that nobody put it in there. And they were like, here, damn. They put it. They then put it in the comments. They're like, here, Sequoia. Damn.

[B]

Well, with the utmost respect, you called Meowth hello Kitty. Like, sometimes you ain't gonna get it.

[A]

You gotta earn the stars thing out of me, Demetri. I didn't know what to say about that cat. Okay. I was about to call it my cat's name, and nobody was gonna understand that joke.

[B]

Okay. Amazing. Incredible.

[A]

But what about you, Ella?

[C]

The thing that me and Alexis decided, when we wanted to, when we were kind of talking about this podcast, is that everyone is at their best when they're talking about their pets. So. And. And pet people and people that love their animals. It's like having a baby, right? Like, you know when you have a new parent and they're like, look at my baby. And then they show you, like, 17 pictures of. Of that baby.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And it's the same thing with pet people like you. All I want to do is show people pictures of my cat. Like, I. I take, like, 17 pictures of her every single day. And. And I want a safe space to do that unjudged. Like, I was at a friend's birthday thing on Sunday, and I didn't know a lot of people there. And then, like, pets came up, and we were all cat people, and we Genuinely spent about an hour, like, trading cat pictures. And I was like, this is. This is the thing that. I mean, like, none of us care about our jobs. Like, we don't want to talk about work. I want to talk about, like, you know what I mean? Like, I want to talk about your cat and the crazy stuff they get up to. And so the podcast is just us doing that with our pets and then all of our listeners pets and then, like, fictional creatures that we also adore because we're both such book people. We both love fantasy. We're both big, big fantasy nerds.

[A]

Matter of fact, Ella just wrote a fantasy

[B]

writer in the house here. Okay, all right, all right.

[A]

And it's your third novel, if I'm not mistaken, the first two were wide. Oh, my God.

[C]

If I'm not mistaken, you are correct. Yeah, it's called Andromeda. It's anime. It's like Greek myth.

[A]

Ah.

[C]

That's another thing black people love is Greek myth.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Yes.

[C]

Right, Right.

[A]

Whoa. I need to do an episode on that.

[C]

That is so. Oh, my God, get me on. I have so many things to say.

[A]

Please come. Wow, that is so true.

[C]

So we talk a lot about, like, creatures from mythology and. And dragons and. And. And hippocampi and centaurs and stuff as well, because any creature. Any creature is welcome.

[A]

But you guys, also, do you have thoughts about solo hosting versus co hosting a podcast? I know that we all have co hosts here. Have y' all ever solo hosted, or do you feel like it would be too stressful? Like, what are your. What are your thoughts? What are your thoughts?

[B]

No one in the world needs to hear your Evangelist by Dimitri Pompei.

[C]

I will tell you that right now

[B]

because it'll be a four hour lecture about Norway, which will be very informative.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I need my opinions challenged. I've been following Eurovision for 23 years now at this point, and I need to be told that sometimes the way I'm looking at a song is not necessarily correct. Okay. That's what Oscar and Jeremy bring, because we all have different levels of experience in the contest. I like the fact that each one of us represents a different type of fan, both in terms of tenure and in terms of taste. I couldn't do that by myself. I couldn't. It would be a disaster.

[A]

Ella, what are your thoughts on hosting?

[C]

Oh, yeah, definitely could never do this by myself because the thing is also, like, without. Without Alexis, this. This podcast is me as a, like, kid that grew up in South London being like, wow, a squirrel. You Know what I mean? Like. Like, because, like, I. I am so shocked by every creature that exists, but because the creatures that I grew up around are like, yeah, squirrels and pigeons and, like, sometimes foxes. And you're like, wow, a fox. Like, that's really cool. Whereas Alexis grew up, like, in the desert in, like, Arizona. So her dad was, like, a local animal guy. So all of her childhood stories are of him, like, rescuing rattlesnakes and bringing home, like, pangolins. The little. The little ones.

[B]

Little pangolins, little pangolins.

[C]

Like, all just, like, crazy, crazy animal stories. Or, like, at the moment, her dad has a donkey and then she grew up and there was a llama.

[A]

What? What?

[C]

That is significantly more interesting. I could not do this without her. And also, like, the transatlantic dynamic of our show, I think works so nicely because we are both obsessed with the same things, but we come at it from such different perspectives. So it's kind of like what you were saying, Dimitri. It's like, it's the variety that is the special sauce, I think. What about your co host, Sequoia?

[A]

So, for a while, I was a solo host, but I would have a guest every episode, and so that was fun and that worked. And I started to realize the lift of that was even a little bit too high. Like, scheduling with a new person, trying to, like, understand what they liked and what I should say and how I should come across on each episode was a little stressful. So I did that for a long time. And probably about a year ago, I decided that I wanted to go the co host route again. And so I put a listing up on my Instagram that was like, hey, looking for a co host, email, whatever. When I tell you guys, both of my best friends sent emails as though they were actually applying.

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I really like that, though.

[A]

I was like, are you both good? Like, why did you drop this lengthy, serious email in my inbox? You could have literally just hit me up and been like, yo, I want to co host a podcast. Anyways, they sent legitimate applications, and I was like, well, this makes the search very easy. And I love them both. They had both been on the show, listeners loved them both. So I knew there would be no stress, no, you know, confusion. So I decided that I was going to co host with each of them alternating, you know, who was on, instead of having three people on one show, which is going to be two.

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