Grey's Anatomy

Summary

Podcast Summary: “Grey’s Anatomy”

Show: Black People Love Paramore
Episode Date: May 15, 2025
Host: Sequoia Holmes
Co-hosts: Jewel Wicker, Ryann Graham

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Brief Overview

In this episode, Sequoia, Jewel, and Ryann dive into the enduring cultural phenomenon “Grey’s Anatomy,” centering their conversation on why this medical melodrama resonates deeply with Black audiences (even when not all the hosts have watched it!). The episode is part playful crash course, part analysis of the show’s storytelling, relationships, and iconic moments, and part celebration of the wild ride that is 21+ seasons of drama, romance, and loss in the halls of Seattle Grace.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. How Much Does Sequoia Know About Grey’s Anatomy? (00:18–04:07)

• Sequoia admits to having zero firsthand knowledge — “I've never seen a single episode of Grey's Anatomy” (04:07).
• Jewel and Ryann quiz Sequoia on the basics, like the show’s title character (“House.” “No!” “Meredith Gray.” “I didn’t know that.” 00:34–01:00).
• Discussion on the “Gray” vs. “Grey” spelling and US vs. UK differences is a recurring comedic tangent. (01:22–01:46)

2. Show’s Basic Premise:

• Producer Palmira’s synopsis: Grey’s Anatomy follows Meredith Grey and other doctors at Seattle Grace Mercy West Hospital. It’s the first Shonda Rhimes “Shondaverse” show, and is now one of TV’s longest-running medical dramas at 21 seasons (08:21–09:00).

3. Why Didn’t Sequoia Watch? (04:08–05:23)

• Sequoia wasn’t a network TV watcher—more Nickelodeon, Disney, MTV, and VH1.
• Unlike Scandal and How to Get Away with Murder, Grey’s never captured her, partly because “If you tell me anatomy, tells me that it's medical, I don't want any parts of it" (05:50).

4. Comparisons with Other Medical Shows (05:08–06:28)

• House vs. Grey’s: House is character-centric; Grey’s leans ensemble (“House is, like, much more about him and his struggles, where Grey's is... talking about everybody.” – Ryann, 05:23).
• Frequent mention of Grey’s as “Degrassi for adults, but set in a hospital” (10:18).

5. The Sexy Side of Grey’s & The Nicknaming of McDreamy/McSteamy (06:08–07:59)

• The origins of “McDreamy” and “McSteamy” – nicknames for Derek Shepherd and Mark Sloan. They became so iconic fans can’t separate them from the characters themselves, though these are nicknames, not canonical names (06:08–07:34).
• Ryann: "There are so many love triangles... it's like a web of incest.” (11:08)

6. Why Does Grey’s Last So Long? The Cast Turnover and Hallmark Drama Plots (09:00–12:20)

• Only a few original cast members remain. Shonda Rhimes is “notoriously unafraid to kill off or write out characters”—“One thing she gonna do is kill you or I guess run you down.” (09:16)
• Examples of Meredith’s repeated brushes with death (plane crash, drowning, electrocution) and near-soap-opera levels of melodrama (“How many times can somebody experience near death at a job? I quit and I'm calling HR I’m telling you.” – Jewel, 10:34).

7. Workplace Relationships and Hospital Hookups (11:11–12:44)

• The panel marvels at the near-constant sexual drama among staff.
• Ryann: “I don’t know many doctors. I don’t know if they have time to have that much sex.”

8. Favorite & Least Favorite Couples (14:31–18:17)

• Long, messy lists—Meredith & Derek, Bailey & Ben, Christiana & Burke, etc.
• Jewel’s favorite: April Kepner & Jackson Avery – “She gets to the altar. She walks the fuck off because she wants to be with Jackson.” (16:27)
• Ryann’s favorite: Christina and Preston; loved the dynamic but acknowledges real-life drama that impacted storytelling: “Isaiah Washington, I believe, is the actor's name, called [co-star] the F slur and then got kicked off the show.” (18:17)

9. Big Deaths and When They Tapped Out (20:13–24:00)

• Lexie’s death in the plane crash stands out powerfully for Jewel (“Every time someone died, I would be like gasp... what the hell is going on?” 23:07).
• Both Ryann and Jewel bailed on the show when storylines or cast turnover became “chaotic” (“That's when I tuned out. That's when I stopped watching.” – Ryann, 23:39).

10. On Representation and Women’s Friendships (35:19–39:34)

• Miranda Bailey is Ryann’s favorite: “She runs that hospital like the navy” (35:24).
• Jewel loves Christina Yang and especially Christina/Meredith’s friendship: “If you want me to show up and just sit next to you in a quiet room, I got you... I really liked that display.” (39:34)

11. Character Arcs and Nuanced Writing

• Karev’s growth: From “douche” to respected, loyal—“That character arc is one of the strongest in the show.” (37:01–38:06)
• Christina Yang: Noted for her bristly, ultra-competent but emotionally awkward persona.

12. On Family, Found and Otherwise (44:03–46:00)

• Lexi & Meredith’s sibling drama: Is it fair for Meredith to be cold to Lexi, her unexpected half-sister at work?
• “If I go to work tomorrow and somebody pops up and is, like, ‘I’m your sister’...that would actually piss me off.” (44:56)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Sequoia’s knowledge baseline:
  “I've never seen a single episode of Grey's Anatomy. I promise you.” (04:07)
• On Shonda’s brutality:
  “One thing she gonna do is kill you... I would hate to get rid of you. But if you act up, I’ll kill you next week.” (18:50–18:59)
• On relationships at the hospital:
  “It's like a web of incest. And I don't understand how they were doing so much.” – Ryann (11:08)
• Jewel’s take on April/Jackson:
  “She walked the fuck off because she want to be with Jackson.” (16:35)
• On why Jewel stopped watching:
  “When Lexie died...there was a plane crash...multiple people died...I remember texting my friend ‘What the hell is this?’" (23:07)
• Ryann on doctors and drama:
  “I watch Grey’s Anatomy, it made me want to be a doctor...Then I realized, they never practice medicine!” (25:39)
• On Christina/Meredith:
  “They were competitive...But at the end of the day, if you want me to show up and just sit next to you in a quiet room, I got you.” – Jewel (39:34)

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Important Timestamps

• Grey’s Knowledge Cold Open: 00:18–01:46
• Sequoia’s TV Habits Explained: 04:08–05:23
• House vs. Grey’s/Show’s Sex Appeal & Nicknames: 05:08–07:59
• Grey’s Synopsis: 08:21–09:00
• Melodrama & “Death Toll” in the Cast: 09:00–12:44
• Favorite/Worst Couples: 14:31–18:17
• Biggest Character Deaths/Plane Crash: 20:13–24:00
• Friendship & Representation (Miranda/Christina): 35:19–39:34
• On Sibling Surprises: 44:03–46:00

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Music and Cultural Crossovers

• “How to Save a Life” and The Fray:
  The song became closely tied to Grey’s drama; the hosts reflect on how it (and other pop/rock tracks) defined the show’s most emotional storylines (47:05-54:11).
• Music Supervision in Shonda Shows:
  Jewel, a music journalist, highlights the deep cuts and clever uses of music, noting how Shonda used Michael Jackson’s “Ben” in Scandal as a recurring, thematic motif (52:20–52:56).
• Jewel’s Fray Fandom:
  “I've gone to see The Fray in concert many times.” (48:13)

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Fun Off-Topic Bites

• Cash Register Tangent:
  There’s a hilarious side conversation about retail jobs and being off-balance at the register, tying back to why none of them would make it in fields like medicine or finance. (29:00–32:09)
• Hypothetical Fights & Gorillas:
  “Do you think a hundred men or one gorilla would win?” – adding to the episode’s signature random, funny detours. (56:40–57:14)

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Closing Thoughts

This episode delivers a crash course in Grey’s Anatomy’s iconic tropes, loves, losses, and why it’s weirdly special—especially for Black fans seeking to be seen in TV’s biggest ensemble drama. The hosts’ warmth, quick wit, and openness to tangents—whether about retail woes or why no one should ever fight a gorilla—make it both informative and highly entertaining, even for listeners who’ve never watched a single episode.

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Where to Find the Hosts:

• Jewel: @jewelwickershow
• Ryann: @goodguyry
• Sequoia: @sequoiabholmes

Podcast: Black People Love Paramore on YouTube
Feedback & Fan Mail: [e-mail]
Socials: @BPLPPOD

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Transcript

[A]

I don't know anything about this show worth a damn.

[B]

Okay, You. You probably know more than you think.

[C]

She knows.

[A]

I guarantee you I'm. I don't even. I couldn't name a single character off Grayson.

[C]

It's how main character name.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

House.

[B]

No.

[C]

What is the main character's name? Sequoia.

[B]

Because you literally. I thought you were. You are being funny. You certainly.

[A]

And maybe if you all tell me.

[B]

The main character it is in the title.

[A]

Oh, Gray.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

What's her first name?

[A]

Shonda.

[B]

Okay. Wow. I'm surprised.

[C]

Because you're joking and I want you.

[B]

Yeah, I do think you're being funny.

[A]

I wish I was joking. I don't know that.

[B]

What is her name?

[A]

Meredith Gray. I didn't know that.

[B]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[A]

Yeah. I thought Meredith Gray was a fictional book character.

[B]

She's a fictional scripted character.

[A]

I thought she was a book. I thought, like, when people reference Meredith Gray, they were talking about 50 Shades of Gray's lead character.

[B]

That his. That is Christian Gray, and that's G R A Y. This is G R, E Y.

[C]

Every day.

[A]

I never know the difference between playing.

[C]

My face every single time. I know I have friends whose last names is Gray. And every time I'm like, gra.

[A]

Yeah, I never know the difference.

[B]

I think it's a UK versus American English thing. I'm almost certain it is actually like.

[A]

So US is a.

[B]

Yes, I believe we are A. And E Y is.

[A]

Well, US is a US of A.

[B]

No, no, we understood.

[C]

No, we. We did get it. It just, you know.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, I liked it.

[A]

Thank you. I was gonna let the silence linger until somebody determined that they liked it. Thank you very much. Okay, well, we can really hop into it. Welcome to Black People Love Paramore, a podcast not about the band Paramore, but about the common and uncommon interests of black people. In order to help us feel a little bit more seen, I am your co host, Sequoia, and today we have both of our usual suspects. We have Jewel and we have Ryan. Say hello, you guys. But before we get into what is likely to be a very spirited episode, we have a little housekeeping. Per usual rate U.S. and writers review, y'. All. I'm not playing. Please take a second if you have a second. If you have just a little spare piece of time going on over to Apple Podcasts, going on over to Spotify, write a review and rate us five stars. Only because we're five star. And if you are a five star, you want to wear it across your Breasts. You can head down to the description box where we have merch about being a five star. Thank you very much. And also, if you are a mocha grande and you want to wear that across your breasts, same place, you can find it in the description box. Thank you very much.

[C]

I need to re up on merch. I ain't got merch in almost two years. Oh, my God. Yeah. Let me.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Last time you got merch was Haley Williams.

[C]

Haley and I had the black people. I still wear it. Okay. I wore it on Saturday.

[A]

If y' all didn't know. The episode where I interviewed Haley Williams, Jewel was there, and Jewel helped me a lot with that interview. But she was present.

[C]

She flew in just there for more support.

[A]

No, she flew in from Atlanta. She helped me so much. It was wonderful. And then she got some merch, and she got a picture with Haley, too.

[C]

And I used to meet Haley, my favorite, which was really nice.

[A]

It was really nice. But today we are here to talk about Grey's Anatomy. I'm just gonna be fully transparent. I'm not gonna hold you. I've never seen a single episode of Grey's Anatomy. I'm sure Jenny Rio, you've never seen one episode. I've never seen a single episode. I promise you. I. I'm sure Jen Rio, our editor, will keep in a little bit of the beginning where I was not knowing who Meredith Gray was. So, yes, that. That is authentic, y'. All. I don't know that about the show.

[C]

Sure. How.

[B]

Where were you? Like, I'm like. It was, like, such a ubiquitous show. I'm surprised by this. How do we. How did you miss it? What were you watching?

[A]

I genuinely did not watch network television growing up. If it did not come on Nick at night, if it did not come on Disney Channel, did not come on MTV. VH1, the likely adult Years.

[B]

I mean, well, I get not watching it as an adult because it got.

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

Okay. Did you watch Scandal and How to Get Away with Murder?

[A]

Right. I watched the first. Maybe I watched the first or maybe first two seasons of Scandal. Never watch how to Get Away with Murder.

[C]

So I guess the reason I'm asking that is because it was graze, and then it would be Scandal, and then it'll be how to Get Away with Murder. So it's like. Did you not catch the last 10 minutes of grays when you.

[A]

I was watching Scandal. I don't think I was. I was watching it in college, and I was watching it on a streamer. I don't remember? So I didn't. I wasn't watching it live. I did not turn on network television. Like, I did not turn on a Fox, cbs, nothing. Never turned nothing like that on.

[B]

Interesting that, like, those got you, but, like, Gray's never tickled you. You were never like. I'm curious.

[C]

It didn't get her. She said she was trying to get away with murder briefly.

[A]

Okay. I would love to say I know what Grey's Anatomy is about. Is it hospital? Is it like, House? Okay, how did you approve the episode.

[C]

And you only know what the show is?

[A]

Because I know niggas like it. Now what I am sure about is that niggas like it.

[B]

Okay. I know that it's less House. I feel like House is centered around a character in a way that Gray's is much more ensemble. Like, I mean, obviously there is a titular character, but I think House is, like, much more about him and his struggles, where Graves is a little more like, we're talking about everybody.

[A]

Okay. I never.

[B]

You don't agree, Jewel?

[A]

I've never seen him.

[C]

No, no, I agree. I'm just stunned.

[B]

Whoa, wait. I didn't know you hadn't watched House either. So you don't like medical stuff at all?

[A]

I genuinely don't like medical stuff at all. So that is also probably what never caught me about Grey's Anatomy. If you tell me anatomy tells me that it's medical, I don't want any parts of it. I'm okay.

[B]

Anatomy could also mean, like, sexual. It could be, like, ooh, hot. I mean, this is also a very sexy show. It is sexy.

[A]

Oh, they begin. Okay, Is this where McDreamy. Is this where Mcstreamy McDreamy comes from?

[B]

McSteiny.

[C]

Okay, they be getting freaky at the hospital.

[A]

Is that that man's real name, or did they colloquially call him McSteamy?

[C]

That was a. That was like, a nickname outside of the show.

[B]

I don't think that was his name in the show, though. Right?

[C]

That wasn't his name in the show either. That was just his nickname because people thought he was cute.

[A]

That's an online thing.

[B]

Yeah, it was, like, an outside thing that got put onto the show, but it was never, like, they didn't call him that in the show.

[C]

Oh, was it? It might not have even started. Did it start in meat? Like, traditional meat? I don't know if it started online. I. I don't know. I can't tell you when Grey's Anatomy started. I watched it. I binged it. In college. I mean, yeah, after college, but yeah, it might. It was pretty pre Twitter. Like, I'm pretty sure Gray's Anatomy was on before Twitter came out. So, like, I don't think it was like a viral tweet thing.

[A]

It came out in March 27, 2005.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[C]

Before Twitter.

[B]

Yeah, Twitter.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, I guess I remember watching it in high school. I watched it like, live for the first couple of years and then kind of fell off and then kind of came back in. But interesting. I thought she watched it like, live.

[C]

So, yes, to see that makes sense because Scandal came out in 2012 and that was the first show that I remember. Like, that's actually kind of how I built my career is from, like, live tweeting Scandal. And I remember my first. When I got my first job in journalism, they were like that, can you do that, like, for work? And I was like, okay.

[A]

Whoa, that's so interesting. Like, I kind of like, I love that actually.

[C]

Yeah, I was like, live tweeting. Then they made me do other shows that I didn't give a about. Why am I watching the Duggars? But like, yeah, so I. I would live tweet Scandal, and I guess it just. It ended up being my actual job at that point.

[A]

Wow. We really just. Three social media managers, truly, that then moved on to the day, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Wild. Yeah, That's a really cool way to find a first job.

[C]

So I think, like, graze was a before, like, Scandal was Shonda's first show that really, like, Twitter was like the cap, you know, catalyst for, like, that show being as big as it was. It was cuz people wanted to like, cash tgif, watch tgit, I think to watch, like the show. And yeah, it. Graze was before that.

[B]

Huh?

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, I got a little synopsis right here of Gray's Anatomy. Thank you so much, Palmira, our producer, because again, I don't know nothing about it. Grey's Anatomy, the first child out of Shonda Verse or Shonda rhymes. Television universe. With an ensemble storyline, the medical drama series centers around Meredith Gray, the daughter of a famous surgeon. Meredith, along with other doctors in Seattle Grace Mercy West Hospital. Okay. Who began their careers at the hospital as interns. 21 seasons later, the show is now one of the longest running medical shows of all time. Okay. 21 seasons. This is it still on right now.

[B]

Y'.

[A]

All. I know I'm lying.

[C]

No, I didn't come on this week and I'm like.

[B]

And you know, it's very much like in the Real Housewives vein where it's like the girls who are in the beginning are no longer. I'm pretty sure there's like one, maybe two characters left. Like even titular character Meredith is gone out of here. Wow.

[A]

Wait.

[C]

It's been a minute. But I, I. All I know is when I, I, I can tell you when I tapped out Karev. It was right before Karev left. I said now enough. I mean, cuz y' all didn't got rid of everybody for you to get rid of Alex K like that. I've had enough. I've had enough. So yeah, they done got rid of they Sean. One thing she gonna do is kill you or I guess run you down and then you leave on you, I don't know.

[A]

And bring you back. Did she do that in this? Because I remember that in Shonda and in.

[C]

Meredith died and came back, didn't she down.

[B]

No, I think she was like. Wasn't it like the plane crash?

[C]

She had like drowning or something.

[B]

She was. She had like a. Yeah, she's tried. She's almost died. Like, she almost died in the plane crash. She did almost drown. She I think got electrocuted. Yeah. Meredith has gone through quite a bit, but like, I think she was in a coma because I remember she went to like their house. Where was it? We'll always have Vermont. Is that their thing? No, that's scandal. Hey, you know what they are. Her and McDreamy had a. A secret house that they went to in her dream world. But then she came back. So. Yes, it's very soap opera adjacent.

[A]

I was about to say. So this is a soap opera. This is. This is Degrassi for adults. Instead of being centered around. It's not a hospital, it's a hospital.

[B]

And they also had a hospital shooting.

[A]

So like, wow, this is Degrassi for adults.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

In a lot of ways. It's. It's very dramatic. It's nonsensical in many ways. How many times can somebody experience near death at a job? I quit and I'm calling hr I'm telling you.

[A]

Wait, also.

[B]

Oh, go ahead. I'm saying also there. I don't know. I'm not, I'm not a doctor. I don't know many doctors. I don't have to have time to have that much sex. Like, I remember watching it and being like, wow, they are constantly running into back rooms, constantly hooking up. There's so many love triangles. Like, I think Meredith was like. She was with McSteema, but then also with George, who was dating Katherine Heigl's. Character who then also dated Callie, who was with. It was, it's like a web of incest. And I don't understand how they were doing so much.

[C]

I do believe they be playing in hospitals. I do believe that. I don't know. I don't, I don't think they play to this degree.

[B]

Healthcare is too expensive for y' all to be. I, I, I'm telling you, that's what.

[C]

They doing in the back rooms. I promise you that. Now, I don't think it's a lot of them. I think it's maybe like a, maybe one or two at each hospital. I don't think it's like the whole, it's not an ensemble activity, you know what I'm saying? But I definitely think, you know, cuz you're there so much.

[B]

Sure. Of course.

[C]

Of course.

[A]

You don't have a, you don't have a partner at home.

[B]

I mean, so I don't see him.

[C]

I'm at the hospital six days.

[B]

It's like summer camp. It's like JoJo Siwa. She went away to Big Brother and was like in the house with a, like X Men. You know what? A little curious. I think that's what happens. You're just with somebody, you're like, I don't know. I might like this.

[A]

I'm gonna leave the JoJo Siwa thing alone because that's really blowing me.

[C]

But I don't want to do it. I can't do it.

[B]

That is a wild story.

[A]

That's insane.

[C]

Yeah, but I think that's what like. And it's like they spend the night there. It's not like they just, it's not like our jobs where we go and then we come home and it's like, I'll see you tomorrow. So I do see you five days a week, but it's like I see you all day overnight. Because we have these like three day, 24 hour shifts or whatever. They, I don't know. I'm not a medical first, but they like have these days, long shifts.

[A]

Don't sleep, don't marry a doctor at the end of the day. That's what we learned. Yeah, well, they, the staff, the other staff.

[C]

Well, yeah, Ryan. Well, so.

[B]

Well, I don't know what you're trying to get out of.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

[A]

That patriot.

[C]

While you there. I'm there.

[B]

Hello. Play. Hey. If we have a situation. I don't know.

[A]

An understanding.

[B]

Right. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I turn the ring camera off when you go for them. Three days.

[A]

I'm.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I cannot.

[B]

You can do that.

[C]

Ryan would immediately be like, why is the camera off? Why can't I see what's going on in the front yard?

[A]

Gary could be fixing it as we spoke. He'd be. He'd be taking it off, fixing it.

[C]

I left home one day, and I heard on the camera, Ryan was like, have a good day. Love you.

[A]

I actually kind of love that.

[C]

I was. He was. He went out of town.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And he was like, I guess checking the ring to make sure. Who the hell. Coming to my house.

[A]

That's really cute.

[C]

While I'm not there. And I have a good day. Love you.

[A]

I said to him, talk to him, child. The other day, there was an unhoused person that was sleeping right outside of my house, and I was, like, a little bit nervous. Gary was out of town. This is g. It's like, of course. Of course Garrett's out of town when this is happening. So I'm, like, texting. I'm a little bit nervous. A separate man comes up to the door. Before the man rings the doorbell, I'll have a text message from Garrick. Don't answer the door. I said, not you. Staring at the camera.

[C]

They be watching the ring like it's a streamer. You watch Netflix. Why? Right. You would think it's Netflix.

[A]

He'd be knowing.

[C]

Don't let them not be home.

[A]

Hello.

[C]

He.

[A]

He was. Don't answer the door. I said, why? Doorbell rings. I said, oh, who was that?

[B]

Sorry. Also, I. I have several questions. There was. He was in your. Like, in your. On your step.

[A]

And then also he was right out front of, like, right past my front yard on the sidewalk.

[B]

Ah. And the second man. Okay. And then the second man was just coming to the door.

[A]

It was a separate second man, but he also looked a little unhoused.

[B]

Understood.

[A]

You know? And turns out he paint the numbers on the. On the sidewalk. Trying to paint the house number on the side.

[C]

All right, but thank you.

[A]

Right. But it was. It was a little shake anyways. Neither here nor there.

[B]

We're off topic.

[A]

Right? Meredith and them on this show. Apparently, there's a lot of couples on the show. I don't know, because I don't watch your butt.

[C]

Many. A couple.

[B]

So many.

[A]

We have a lot of lists here. I'm gonna go down a little list. Meredith Gray and I can't wait to be controversial. Meredith Gray and Derek Shepard. Miranda Bailey and Ben Warren. Izzy and Denny. Izzy Stevens and Alex Karev. Jackson Avery, April Kepner, Christina Yang, Preston Burke, Christina Yang, Owen Hunt. Christina was getting around. Mark Sloan, Lexi Gray, Cali Torres. I can go on and on. There's Arizona.

[C]

Cali in Arizona.

[A]

Cali in Arizona. Alex Karev, Joe Wilson, Lexi Gray and Jackson Avery.

[B]

Wow. So also, not only are there multiple couples, they are also like half siblings. So Lexi Gray is married, Right? This show, the show's messy. It's very. So Meredith. Well, yeah, no, not that, but her dad just got around like he was. Again, don't marry surgeons. He's used to fuck a lot of people. So they have half siblings who come in later. Where do we start with this list? Because I have thoughts on.

[C]

Okay, so do you want to do your favorite and your worst or like, can y'.

[A]

All. Can y' all rank them? Can y' all rank these couples?

[C]

Too many friends to rank.

[A]

It's too many. Okay, you could just do. You could do favorite and least favorite.

[C]

Then let me. I don't forgot who you said, Chad. Okay, I can tell you who my favorite is off top. But let me. I want to make my screen bigger because I need to see Ryan face when I say it.

[A]

Done.

[C]

April Kepner and Jackson.

[B]

Okay, I. You know what's crazy? I think that is when I fell off the show. Cuz I would have to google those people's faces. Tell me who you know who that is. Give me a synopsis.

[C]

Jesse. Jesse Williams.

[B]

Oh, okay. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[C]

And so, okay, so Sequoia, as a synopsis. You know J. Jesse.

[A]

I know Jesse Williams.

[C]

Yeah. He gets with this white girl, this white redhead, April Kepner, who is like, purity ring down. I'm of the Lord, I love Jesus, and I will not be having sex outside of marriage, period. That's her right. She gets engaged to this white man who is also like, Jesus is king, right? Like, absolutely. God down. Right?

[A]

Okay. Yeah.

[C]

Shout out to the Holy Bible, period. They get to the altar. She walked the off because she want to be with Jackson.

[B]

Whoa, wait, when did. What season was this? I missed this.

[C]

I don't remember.

[B]

This was later.

[C]

But like, yeah, she ends up. She ends up, like, leaving her little white Christian man because she. Because she had. She had on Jackson when she wasn't supposed to be. She wasn't supposed to be doing that. She was supposed to be of the Lord. And she got a taste of it and she said, oh, I think that's the man for me. They end up having a baby out of wedlock. Harriet. Now, I don't like the Harriet name Because Harriet Tubman as a biracial baby is really kind of upsetting to me.

[B]

I also think that is strange.

[C]

And also, Shonda, what was you thinking?

[B]

You should know better than.

[C]

But I. I really liked them. I think they were ridiculous. They got a divorce, and they got back together. But I. You know, if I'm gonna watch drama, I want drama. I want a little push and pull.

[A]

A little tug at the end of the day.

[C]

Yeah, I like that.

[A]

And Jesus getting it. And it's. It makes it all the more.

[C]

She left that man at the altar. And I said, wow.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Speaking of getting left at the altar, I really liked Christina and Preston, but interesting. And then. So they were fun. They were cute. So that was, like, season one. I think that's, like, one of the final things that happened in season one. And then, like, he also leaves Christina Yang at the altar, which leads her to Owen, who's, like, a war vet. But I loved them together because I thought they were cute and fun. But he gets kicked off for unrelated. There's, like, backstage drama on this show that we don't have to bring up. So I think that's kind of why they kind of wrote him out. But their love story was kind of cute, and they were fun, and I thought, like, I don't know, it was good to see, like, a good old interracial couple, like, especially as a good black lead.

[C]

And I really hated that he had to go on there and be homophobic and show the hell out. And that man got kicked off the damn show.

[B]

He got kicked off the show. Cause he. Outside of the show, called George, who I loved at the time. I still think George was a great character. He played a straight man on the show, but was gay in real life. And Isaiah Washington, I believe is the actor's name, called him.

[A]

Oh, I know that name.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's. I mean, he's an actor. He called George's kid, or George, the actor's name. He called it BF Slur. And then got kicked off the show.

[A]

And that's why he caught the character.

[B]

No, no. Behind the scenes. Behind the scenes.

[C]

The one thing I will say about Shonda is she standing on business. She sure does that playing.

[B]

You're out.

[C]

I would hate to get rid of you. And she got. I mean, she. Patrick Dempsey, she said, oh, you want to come on my set playing?

[A]

That's McStee, right?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Do you have a car accident?

[B]

I'll kill you next week. Wow. She also loves a car accident. Loves a car accident, loves a plane Crash. It was a car accident. A bus accident. George got killed in a bus accident. Accident. McSteamy died in the plane. No, he was a car accident. Plane crash was McDreamy. No, Steamy died. Yeah, Steamy was.

[C]

Plane crash. McDreamy was.

[B]

I see. We're gonna get there. And I have thoughts on McStini versus McDreamy, you guys.

[A]

Oh, there's two different care. I thought there was one single character that was named McSteamy, and I made up McDreamy. So there is a McDreamy, and there is a McSteamy.

[C]

Patrick.

[A]

Neither of their characters are actually called that in the show.

[B]

No, that's.

[A]

The fans colloquially have deemed them McDreamy and McSte Act.

[C]

It was like, the duo because Patrick.

[B]

Dempsey was in there. He was obviously. I get it. Beautiful, man. But then he was a little bit too much, and then they were like, okay, we got to throw you in some fine bulk. Oh, it's Nate's dad. It's. His name is Eric Dane in real life. Eric Dane, Nate's dad in euphoria is MC Steamy. He comes in, like, season three or four. He's hot. Oh, my God. No.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You had to see him at the time. He.

[A]

Okay. Because right now I'm looking. I'm looking. I. I see. But he's not giving me worth. He's not giving McDreamy at all. He's not giving. He's not giving McDreamy a run for his money at all.

[C]

What was the age gap between him and Lexi? Like? Is it an. Is it big enough that I should be concerned, or is it.

[B]

Because I think when Lexi came in, she was a resident, which I would think put you at around 25. So not that weird, but not great.

[A]

What was. How old was. How old was the man?

[B]

Oh, unclear. But, like, yeah, I would say over 40. I would say he was like, clearly, because he was, like, a Established. Yes. Like, he was like a head plastic surgeon.

[C]

Like, he was like, I can't get behind that, unfortunately. But I did like them as a couple, and I hate that. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, it was sad.

[C]

I liked them as a couple, but now that I'm older, I'm like.

[B]

It's kind of weird.

[A]

Yeah, that's not good. That's not good. I don't like that age gap.

[B]

I also just remember Izzy, and, like, she. I remember her having an accident. No. She got cancer, and then Denny dies, and then, like, she keeps seeing him in her vision. So many people, like. And I'm like, there's a lot of.

[C]

Like, I don't even remember half of Izz storylines because I thought that just girl. I don't care about her. I never cared about Izzy.

[B]

I love Katherine Heigl on the show. I hated that she got so much because, I don't know, I feel like she. People off. She got, I guess, panned in Hollywood early. And I feel like she probably was just standing up for herself at a time when people didn't. So I feel like she probably was not difficult.

[A]

What happened? Oh, people called her.

[B]

Everyone called her difficult to work with because it was like their 2000s to, like, 2012. And then she kind of got, like, blackballed. And I'm like, in the 2025 of it all, I bet she was.

[C]

She probably wasn't that bad.

[B]

She probably was just not taking.

[A]

That's what we about to look back and say about chapel rose in 10 years.

[C]

I think so. I think so. I think so. Yeah. I don't know. I didn't. I just didn't give a. About Izzy. No offense.

[B]

I thought she was good drama because.

[C]

I feel like she was annoying.

[B]

Sure. Certainly she was definitely the annoying character. I'm not telling you that she was definitely, like, very annoying and. But I think she was in everybody's love triangle. Like, she was dating three or four people and she dated correct for a bit. Her enjoy. Like I'm saying, she had quite a bit of early messiness where I don't think Meredith was messy in the beginning. She was just pining after Patrick Dempsey's character for, like, 10 seasons. And I was kind of, like, over them because it was too lovey. It was too on the nose. And I was like, I want some good old mess. And Izzy brought mess. She always said was messy.

[A]

We love mess.

[B]

We do love it. We love mess.

[A]

Whose death really smacked y' all in the show when y' all was watching it, when Lexi.

[C]

Damn. Died.

[A]

What? How'd Lexi die? What happened to her?

[C]

There was a plane crash and insane. I remember. So keep in mind, I'm binging this show. Like, I binged what, 12 seasons? Like, I binge a ton of seasons, like, at once. I mean, I binged a ton of this series when I was in Harrisburg. And I remember every time somebody died, I would be like. And it felt like I was always doing that because why were people always dying? And I remember I got to the plane crash and multiple people died. And I remember texting my friend and being like, what the hell is this? What the hell is going on?

[A]

Multiple of the. Of the characters she killed.

[B]

Like, it was. A lot of people died. Yeah. A girl lost her leg. Yeah, they died. Wasn't it air? Arizona.

[C]

Arizona lost her leg. And then her. Now her. Now her and her fiance, they got problems because Arizona is. You know, she done lost her leg. So she got some anger issues. She got stuff going on. She'd been through a trauma. She. All her friends just died in a plane crash. You know what I'm saying? She don't know how to express that. And then the other girl survived, so she got survivor's guilt. I know it's never gonna be useful in my real life.

[B]

That was when I tuned out. That's when I stopped watching. I was like, is it really because I got annoyed? Because it felt to me, I don't think, I guess, that you know the term jump the shark. To me, that was when I was.

[C]

Like, this is crazy.

[B]

I was like, you know what? I'm here for all of it. I mean, I pop back in. Or like, I like, colloquially know what's going on on Grey's Anatomy in a very general sense. But, like, that really is what did it for me, where I was like.

[C]

Also, because I love to tell you I stopped. I didn't.

[B]

Well, you binged it. Like, I was watching it, like, week to week.

[C]

Kept going. I said, more, I must see what happens next. Cali. I got the curate. Cali in Arizona having a kid.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, you said. And it's.

[C]

I mean, yeah, I stuck around and I don't know what that says about my commitment.

[B]

Dude, better for worse. You're dead, period.

[A]

I know the actors that get cast on a Shauna rhymes show beholden tight today. Other jobs and connects. I know they be like, listen, please, she gonna kill us. I'm not gonna have this job for that long. She gonna take me out.

[C]

Come from. Why is the plane crashing?

[B]

It. I thought it was just a little chaotic, but I get it. It's one of those things where, like, I think every kind of hospital show, they always. There's like three things that happen. There's always like a merger. Like one hospital comes down, they close together. That happened in this show. There's always like some big crazy accident like a plane crash or like a boat sinking. There's always something like chaotic and catastrophic. So I feel like it had to happen. And the same with shooting. It had. It's like one of those things where I'm like, it has to be something ridiculous. You don't think. I think every hospital.

[C]

But, like, the thing that I. And I. I Wanted. I don't want to speak too soon because we're only on season one, but the thing I like about the Pit was, like, it was chaotic and a lot of was happening, but it did feel like this could absolutely be a real day in an emergency room.

[B]

To be fair, it's only one day, though. I think that's why it stays grounded, where that's fair.

[C]

That's fair. Versus, like, when I'm watching Grays, I'm like, we are just. We're just throwing at the wall here, and I'm a stick with it. But, like, what the hell is going on? What kind of injury is this? What's happening? Like, it just feels like we start to get into, like, crazy territory.

[B]

And one thing I like, I think, because I remember watching Grey's Anatomy, like, and this was when I was about to go to college. It made me want to be a doctor because it felt really cool. And then I know. And then I realized I, like, go back and watch. I'm like, they never practice medicine. Like, I'm, like, really watching. I'm like, they don't do push epi. Exactly. 100cc's. That's what I learned. I learned that, and then I learned you could go make out in the back room. And I was like, I could be a doctor.

[C]

Nothing about that looks fun. They having sex in the back room and then fighting about it in the hallway, getting shot at while trying to operate. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not how I like my careers.

[A]

Also, like, get. Having sex in the back room of a hospital feels unsafe.

[C]

Where do I show sanitary.

[B]

Oh, they have showers in hospitals. Like, I don't. What do you mean?

[C]

But, like, I just got paid. Somebody got shot. I don't have time.

[A]

Like, it's. Bodily fluids abound. Like, CCS of this, CC's of that. Is that. It's that one hazardous waste bucket that's always in the rooms.

[C]

It's not in the sleeping room.

[B]

They're not. Yeah, they have a back room to sleep.

[C]

They have. Because they sleep there. They have bedrooms. I mean, they have, like, cots.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, okay. I'm thinking of the patient rooms. No, you think in the patient rooms.

[B]

You'Re imagining that someone's in a coma, and we're like, let's just hop on this bed next door.

[A]

Like, you know when you go to the doctor and they put you in the. In the patient room where the doctor comes in and talks to you? Not like a bed.

[C]

They have, like, not living quarters, but they have, like, sleeping quarters in the hospital, and that is where they sleep.

[A]

I would never date a doctor.

[C]

Hell, no. You sounds like a fussy. Absolutely.

[B]

And they do have, like, long, like. I mean, truly, like. Like you were saying earlier, Jewel, where it's like three days of 24 hour shifts. Like, it'll be like back to back to back. Like, you wouldn't see him for days.

[C]

I joke. I joke with Ryan about it where I'm like, oh, literally, the reason we're. Because he was dating somebody else before he met me, but she was a nurse, and she had such bad. Such a bad schedule that he was like. We just never really got. She was really nice. She was cool. We never got to connect because she worked so much and her hours were so bad. And then by the time I met you, it was like, bye, girl. Yeah, thanks, girly.

[A]

I'm done.

[C]

Shout out to the nursing community.

[A]

You came up off my man period.

[C]

Yeah, but, yeah, so it's. I would never do it, but it's. Yeah. I don't know how you watched that show and thought that you wanted to be a doctor. That just did.

[A]

That really is crazy.

[B]

What? Really? I think what sent it over to me because, like, I. I watch Private Practice, which was like a spin off, like, I can't remember her name right now. She left the show to go open up on her own private practice, but.

[C]

It was set in California, and so Meredith's future husband.

[B]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. No, you're right. You're right. My bad. No. Yeah. She is Patrick Dempsey's ex wife.

[C]

Because it was. The question was, was Meredith a mistress? Like, was she having an affair with him when they first started dating?

[B]

Correct. But then.

[C]

I don't care.

[B]

She's like, right, no, I'm listening.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I love Private Practice because it felt like she owned. Like, it was like. It felt hot and sexier. And then it was also California. I think that's really. It was. I know. That's what really made me want to be a doctor, because I was like, oh, you can do this. Be rich. Be on the beach. Like, they. It just felt cool. And then I also, in my brain was gonna go to Pepperdine. This was all, wow, my plans.

[A]

So what happened? Because you. You stayed in Missouri for the master's degree?

[B]

Because then I realized how much you have a master's. I do have a master's. I do. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, Masters.

[A]

I don't have no damn math. I dropped out of grad school.

[C]

That's right. Okay, go. Sorry, I.

[B]

What happened was I Realized that when they start the show, they were interns, and then they had to be residents, and then they do what, like, clinicals? And I was like, oh, so you guys aren't even done? When they start the show, they are still kind of sort of in school. And I was like, oh, I don't. I don't want to be doing this forever. And then also my science scores. Girl, science and math was not gonna.

[A]

Be this Science and math. I was never gonna make it.

[B]

It wasn't. Couldn't do it.

[C]

Everybody was dying on the table.

[A]

If it was up for me, I'm telling you.

[B]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[A]

When I was a cashier at Chipotle, they had to pull me to the side and tell me, hey, babe, every time you cashier, at the end of the day, we're either short or we're over. The register is never correct. So, like, what's up?

[C]

But, like, I feel like. Is there not. Okay, don't laugh. This is coming from somebody who's never worked in, like, fast food or retail. I don't want to be judged. Okay? I mean, y' all can judge. I don't care. But, like, is there not, like, a wiggle room? Like, does it have to be spot.

[A]

Hello? That's what I said. No, I was.

[C]

The register has to be spot on. There's no wiggle room.

[B]

What are you saying? Both of you?

[A]

I wholeheartedly thought if. If one day I was short, I would be over the next day by a little bit. I'm like, okay.

[C]

So I think, like, it's a bal. Like, it's like, oh, if I went 30 cents over or $3 over, that's in the. That's in the green. Like, that's fine. Right?

[A]

Right.

[C]

That's. That's a positive.

[B]

You guys, are you being. I'm being deadass there. Yes, there is, like, a. A loss. There's loss calculated into, like, an annual projection, but that is, like, from, like, theft and stuff. It's not from, like, the. The regiment.

[A]

Well, I'm not from the dumbass cashier.

[B]

Like, that is snow. That. That is not. Because. What do you mean also by the time y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

I mean, I don't know. I'm assuming by the time you were at Chipotle, it was computerized. It don't tell you what to do.

[A]

It. It does. I still had to count out the. I still had to count out the.

[C]

Money myself, and I just feel like it's not that deep. Like, I feel like, okay, I went $3 over today.

[A]

I wasn't even dollars. It was always some sense. It was like, quite literally. And that's why I was only there for three weeks. Because I was like, why the right.

[C]

Come in like that?

[A]

Like, why are you trying to embarrass me?

[B]

I. Because I guess I'm just like, imagine it is your business. This. You are the franchisee of a new. A new Chipotle. And there. And then you keep having this person working the goddamn register. And it's 20. 20 cents today. Every day it adds up.

[A]

Tomorrow I'm gonna be 20 cents over. So I'm confused. Tomorrow I'm stealing money. Today I'm in my brain, you know.

[C]

In my brain, I hear you, and I think you're correct. If it was my business, I would. 100. You do have to get fired. That's why I wouldn't run a business with a cash register.

[B]

You know what else? Also, don't hire. Like, I mean, you were what. What college by that time. But I'm like, don't hire school students. So fair enough. I will also give you that because.

[C]

Like, and to be fair, I've. I've wondered for years, like, why I've applied for Chick fil A. I applied for Zaxby's. They just didn't hire me. And maybe they saw something.

[A]

From college. I was my. It was my senior. It was the summer going into my senior year of college.

[B]

Yes, right.

[A]

That was that.

[C]

I think the retailer said, lovely lady, let her go do something else.

[A]

Right, Right.

[B]

You'll shine elsewhere. Yeah.

[A]

Then they made me clean open and close the shit and clean the clean, clean stuff. And it was bad.

[B]

And that's why you quit? Yes.

[A]

And now I have a lawsuit with Chipotle, so.

[B]

You're being funny.

[C]

She don't want a damn lawsuit with Chipotle.

[A]

I do. I'm in a class action. I'm in a class action for former employees. Yes, I am.

[B]

Can you talk? You can't be off the record.

[A]

I'll tell y' all later. I will tell y' all later because I found some stuff out working at Chipotle for three weeks. So I'll tell y' all later.

[C]

I love it. I love a lawsuit story about, like, a company. It fascinates me. Like my I told y' all my little cousin suit for go to chow because she slipped and fill in the bathroom.

[B]

I love it.

[C]

And I just know that girl was in there knucking if you bucking and doing all types of dances. And she slipped on that bathroom. But she said. And it don't matter.

[A]

Like she took her ass over to Seattle Grace Mercy West Hospital in order to get bandaged up to prove that she was injured.

[C]

Give me a payout or I'll see you in court.

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[A]

Who is your favorite character from Grayson if you had to choose one singular character?

[B]

Miranda Bailey. I think Miranda Bailey runs that goddamn hospital like. Like the Navy. Like she literally through and through. She's like the little black lady. And I think also felt representation. She's been there from the beginning. I think she keeps him in line. And I love her. I think she's so sure. Oh, you keep saying sure and I don't like it. I don't like. You're being dismissive. And I love Miranda. I. I don't appreciate it. Miranda is great. I thought she tried so hard and they don't respect her.

[C]

Don't disagree with you. I like Miranda. She works her butt off. I was just thinking. Excuse me. I'm sorry for processing out loud. I do like Miranda Bailey. I think she wouldn't be my favorite, but I do think she's a very strong character.

[B]

But yeah, yeah. What about you, Jewel? Who's your favorite?

[C]

Yeah, probably Christina Yang.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, like, you sure?

[C]

Just say it the whole time. The whole time.

[B]

Sure, sure, sure, sure.

[C]

I feel like the favorite. My favorite part of graze was the friendship between Meredith and Christina. I feel like that was what kept me watching. It wasn't really the romantic relationships, but it was like the familial friendships that were formed. And so, like, same with. I would say Meredith and Karev, like, their relationship in the way that it blossomed when he matured and became a grown up was one of my favorite relationships, which is why it pissed me off so bad when he left, because I'm like, Karev would not behave this way. Like this. This mature version of Karev would not behave this way. But he. Yeah, I really loved Karev and I really loved Christina. And, like, the friendships in the show were, like, my favorite.

[B]

I second the Karev of it all because I remember season one. He's just like, a douche, basically. And, like, he's just kind of like, there. And that character arc is, I think, probably one of the strongest in the shows because he really kind of does. You, like, see him become like a. Like, you're saying, very mature person. I remember hating him. Season one. Like, he was probably the biggest. He was just. Yeah, he's a dick. I don't think. Yeah, he felt like he was there to cause conflicts because he was just like an. To everyone. And I do think in the later seasons, he's actually like a mentor. Not even a mentor. Like, he's, like, very. Oh, yeah, you are a very good person. So I agree that. Surprise.

[C]

Don't quote me on this, but I believe Shonda, like, talks at some points about, like, giving more depth to his character and, like, how originally he was just kind of like this antagonistic, like, dickhead who, like, you know, God complex kind of thing. But, like, that it was just much more interesting when he had, like, nuance and, like, color. And I. I do agree because I think he. He just. He was so loyal and he was so supportive, and I don't know, I just really enjoy watching that friendship blossom.

[B]

It kind of makes you, like. I think by the end, I, like, remember being like, oh, I want him to find love. Like. Like, I feel like also seeing. I was like, oh, I really do. Like, I. I believe.

[C]

And I liked him and joke. Yeah. Y' all know. You don't know who that is. Oh, do you?

[B]

I remember, like, that was. I remember seeing him with this woman, like, loosely. But she dies, doesn't she? Sorry. Spoiler. Does she Die. No, maybe I'm wrong. Okay.

[C]

Hey, hey, hey.

[B]

I get.

[C]

I ain't watching a few seasons. I think she, like, runs off or something. Don't be lying. But, like, I will say Christina, the Christina Yang and, like, Meredith Gray. Thing of it all was, I really enjoy that display of female friendship, but I also enjoyed that it looked different than maybe what, like, other female friendships on TV look like. Like, Christina Yang was very bristly. They didn't hug each other.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

They didn't, like, pour out their feelings to each other. They were not, like, they were not expressive in the ways that we see women be expressive on tv. And they were not, like, supportive of each other in the ways that we see women. They were competitive with each other. They were. You know what I mean? Like, they had all these things. But at the end of the day, if you want me to show up and just sit next to you in a quiet room, I got you. Do you want me to turn on some music so we can dance? I got you. I don't know how to talk to you about your feelings, but I can't show up in the way that I know how to show up. And, like, I really liked that display or, like, I might know how to talk to you about your feelings, but I know you can't handle that. And so we don't have to do that. We can just dance or we don't have to do that. We can just sit here.

[B]

Sandra oh certainly has won an Emmy for this. Right. Because I realized she was. She played the hell out of that. And I feel like that.

[C]

I don't. I think she did. I think she got her first Emmy when she was doing Killing Eve.

[B]

That seems crazy to me because she really. Now that I look back at that character, she actually really portrayed Christina Yang. Really? And also, I did it for forever. How long? No, she didn't. Wow.

[A]

Oh, no, wait.

[C]

It says she's gotten a few. She's gotten. She's gotten an Eve 2005.

[B]

She's got nominated a lot, but she never won. That's crazy.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

Yeah. I really liked her character, and I thought that was such a. I don't know. I just like the display of their friendship.

[B]

Yeah. I never looked at it that way, but that seeing a non traditional portrayal of. Because it wasn't. She was Sandra or Christina Yang was not mushy at all. Like, she was actually kind of rude. Like, I thought she was kind of mean.

[C]

She was like, well, I don't have time for your feelings. What do you Want the solution to be?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

She was very type A, very detail oriented.

[B]

Google what was Christina Yang.

[C]

Are you gonna sit here and cry about it or you gonna do something?

[A]

Capricorn, Virgo, but must be a Capricorn.

[B]

Sign because now I am curious.

[A]

Yeah, let's around to find out.

[B]

Christina, she was an Aries or Scorpio.

[A]

Allegedly Scorpio don't really track.

[B]

Maybe Aries makes sense though.

[A]

Aries. Yeah. That's Jewel's favorite sign.

[B]

Oh, well, there we go.

[C]

Every day I got my way to getting people grace that I don't intend to give. That's insane. That's insane.

[A]

You didn't mean to give an ar?

[C]

Because I wouldn't have gave her that compliment had I. Just kidding. But like, yeah, I love Christina Yang and I think she's so. She does give Aries.

[B]

She does.

[C]

That's very much like my best friend, actually. My best friend is very much like a Christina gang. Very much like they're there, you know.

[A]

That's hilarious. They're there on the back a little.

[C]

All of my. That's all of my, like all of my really close friends are very much like, okay, I'm so sorry. I mean, they're gonna be there, they're gonna sit there.

[B]

I don't think Sequoia is that. I would.

[C]

Sequoia is not. Sequoia is one of my closest friends who's not like that, but like my long term friends very much.

[A]

So. That's actually very funny. Wait, what? I was gonna say something. I can't remember now. Can y' all tell me? Yalls, worst characters. Some character where you're like, if this don't get off the screen. Izzy.

[B]

Izzy.

[A]

You did say. You didn't. You didn't wait.

[B]

I hate Izzy. I think. Well, she kept getting like the cancer of it all lingered and like, I feel like her.

[A]

You was mad because she kept getting cancer?

[B]

No, it just like lingered. Not the cancer. It was just like. Because then she kept having dreams. Denny kept popping up. It just got a little annoying and repetitive. And I think it was. I think it was because they were also trying to get her off of the show. And I think it showed. So I think her character suffered. But yeah, it seemed very much like. I don't think people want to film with her. So they kept having her kind of like in a hospital bed. Oh, no. Yeah.

[A]

Why did people want to film with her? Because she had a bad reputation.

[B]

Yeah, I think she just. People just didn't like her, I guess. But yeah. And I think it showed in the way she was on screen. So she got annoying. But I did like Izzy in the beginning.

[C]

What did you like about. What did you think about Amelia Shepherd?

[B]

Okay, let me google his face child. I know.

[C]

Oh, interesting. Derek's sister.

[B]

Oh, wait.

[C]

And she was on Private Practice too.

[B]

She was on Private Practice. I do remember her. I'm trying to remember her. Wasn't she like kind of psychotic? I don't remember her storyline or give.

[C]

It a drug addict.

[B]

That's what it was.

[C]

Yeah, she had a little mental illness. It's okay. I just feel like she was very difficult and I feel like. But I feel like I really liked her. Like, I feel like there were times where she was just nonsensical and she was just being foolish and I still really liked her. And then I do remember they gave her a tumor at the end. And was she. She was. And I felt. I didn't. I didn't like that because not y' all trying to say that girl crazy because she had a tumor.

[B]

That's the only thing I remember about her was that she was like. I. I guess I'm using the phrase psychotic. But I like. I think the flashes I have of her was like. She was like insane and like, I.

[C]

Think a really good word.

[B]

Was she an actual doctor or did she pretend to be a doctor? Because I also.

[C]

She was an actual doctor.

[B]

Okay, great. I was like.

[C]

She struggled with addiction, but she was an actual doctor. She was a brain surgeon. I think she like did brain surgery.

[B]

Like with her brother Derek.

[C]

But yeah, no, I liked Amelia out of the sisters. I liked Amelia. I liked Lexi and then I liked Maggie. I liked all the sisters.

[B]

I liked Lexi a lot. I thought Lexi was sweet. I remember because when she came in, she came in like what, season six or seven. And Meredith was so mean to her for no reason. I did not like how me Meredith was to her. I like, that actually pissed me off because I feel like Lexi seemed sweet and I feel like Meredith was just like. Like a brat and a For no reason. Am I crazy? You don't seem to agree.

[C]

I don't think that Meredith. Yes, I do agree. And also I think that's a reasonable response for like a mystery sister. Yeah, like you just. And you work here, but I mean the hell away from me.

[B]

I didn't like the way Cuz Lexi seemed like she just really wanted to like her sister to like her.

[C]

Lexi want. Lexi had dirty shepherd energy. Lexi wanted a friend so bad. And she would tell you, I want a friend so bad would Be like, get the away away from me.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[C]

I think your reactions.

[B]

Oh, I didn't. I. I remember distinctly being annoyed with Meredith when Lexi came around.

[C]

Let me say something. If I go to work tomorrow and somebody pop up and it's like, I'm your sister.

[A]

Oh, my God. That would actually piss me off. Yeah.

[B]

To be fair, this is also the hospital her dad worked at, too. So it's not just about Meredith. It is like a. It is. It's more than. Then I'm just saying. Like, I'm just saying. It's not just Meredith. It is also our father was here, so this is a connection to our dad. So, like, calm down. Or not. I'm like, it's not about you. It's about our dad. Like, that is what I'm saying.

[C]

It's about me.

[A]

I just said you here, Ryan, you're talking about two only children who are not actually only children, but are only children.

[C]

I don't know who it's about or what it's about, but what I do know is you are here.

[B]

Y' all are in my space, the.

[A]

Space that belongs to me. I don't care if we share that. I don't care about.

[C]

I have not mentally prepared for another sibling. Sibling. And I'm in my 30s, so I'm at the point now where I cannot mentally stay.

[A]

Where you at. Stay where you're at.

[C]

They should have announced you 15 years ago.

[B]

Fair. I will give that. That they were also fully adults when this happened. But I'm just like, come on. It's our. Okay, sure, sure. Meredith was just rude. I did not like how she treated Lexi. But sure, sure. Fair.

[C]

I have friends who it's come up where it's like, oh, they find out that they might have another sibling, and I'm like, are you going to look into it? And they're like, like, I'm actually going to do the opposite. I'm purposely going to do everything to not look into it. I don't want.

[A]

I do think I would want. I think I would dig. I would definitely be like, hey, you want to meet up for dinner? Right? Who are you?

[C]

I'm nosy.

[A]

Yeah, but what do you think would happen?

[C]

The urge to be like, no.

[A]

Wow. No. You know what? I guess, yeah.

[B]

I don't know that I would search it out, but if they reach out to me, I'll be like, oh, I'm curious. But I don't think I would go.

[A]

Out of my way if you did a 23andMe. And the results Showed you a sibling that you didn't know you had.

[B]

You.

[A]

Are you. Are you reaching out to said sibling that you didn't know you, or are you leaving it and you seeing if they gonna reach out to you?

[B]

I really don't know.

[C]

I tell you, I know if they.

[B]

Reach out, I wouldn't reject them. I wouldn't reject them if they reach out.

[A]

I know I wouldn't. I would.

[C]

I know people who would close the.

[B]

Account, delete my shit.

[C]

Not only am I not reaching out to you, I don't want you to be able to reach out to me.

[A]

Hilarious, actually. Hilarious.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Well, yeah, that's fair. Now can we talk about how to Save a Life by the Fray?

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

I would go the way that it was popularized by the show.

[C]

I, I. The love that I have for the Fray. Oh, unmatched as a whole. Different.

[B]

No, no, I. I love the song.

[A]

I don't think I could not name what's another song. Know a second one, but I actually can't think of the name.

[C]

Let me try to save a life. What was my favorite is look after you, but you might not know that one.

[A]

I definitely don't know.

[B]

It's miss you. I don't know that. Miss you. Is that Coldplay? I'm thinking of Coldplay.

[A]

You found Me.

[C]

Oh, that entire album. I'm not gonna hold you.

[B]

Sorry, are those separate songs?

[A]

Yes, they are. That. We got three phrase songs now. We got how to save a life over my head and you Found me.

[C]

And look after you, which y' all don't know what I'm saying. Is that that album. I've gone to see the Fray in concert many times.

[B]

What?

[A]

Jewels lore runs so deep. Like, y' all actually don't understand. Every single time it comes to music, Jewel be pulling random. She's a music journalist, in case you don't know. She's a music journalist, but she'd be pulling the most random out of ass.

[C]

That's not random.

[A]

And like, we did.

[B]

That is random. Like saying, I've seen this.

[A]

Going to a great concert. Jewel is actually multiple times. Because even in the resurgence of, like, you know, music from that time frame, the Fray has not really. Like, you never see them at a. When we were young fest. You never see them at a Coachella. You never see the fr.

[C]

Them, like, three times.

[B]

And that's what I'm saying is insane. Stop there.

[A]

She had to go find them because. How did you see them three times?

[C]

Volition. The third time I was working, but nobody told me, like, go Cover this concert. I Vol. Like, I was like, I'm gonna go cover this concert. And they just said, okay. Jewelry. I'm pretty sure it was not a thing that was assigned to me. I've seen them three times.

[A]

That's hilarious.

[B]

I'm googling when Fray tour because I. I can't even find one on the Wikipedia page. I'm gonna start.

[C]

I love the Fray.

[A]

Oh, they have new music. When the last time they made a song. What?

[B]

They are on tour right now. They will be in San Diego while you were here, so what the do I know?

[A]

Stop.

[C]

I'm telling you. Hey, look after you. I'm not joking, y'. All. I'm gonna send you the song. I. If I get married, if I have, like, a public. If, like, not public, but if I have, like, a wedding ceremony, I am walking down the aisle to look after you.

[A]

Oh, how does it look after you go give us a little. Yeah, I can play a little bit of it if you want me. That sounds like I will love you for a thousand.

[C]

It was before that. It was before that song came out out. It's so sweet. That song is like. If you. If you read the lyrics to that song, you're just like. It's such a steady, like, romantic, like, love song. It's so beautiful.

[B]

Hey, I believe you.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Just. Hey, what do I do?

[C]

The lyric is like, if ever there was a doubt, my love she leans into me. This most assuredly counts. She says, most assuredly. Literally, like, it's so pretty. It's just like, absolutely.

[A]

I know you did. I know you did. You were that type of thing. No, no, no. It's not a problem. Isn't. That's not a problem. I had. I took my little stab at poetry, and it very much was ass, but I see that it has stuck with.

[C]

I used to. I definitely did.

[A]

In my teenage years, I did. Or I had teen years.

[C]

I had a. I wrote poems, I wrote lyrics, I wrote fanfic stories. And.

[A]

Oh, she's a writer, baby. The pin pins. Yeah. Meanwhile, I said, you know what? I'd be better at running my mouth. That's what I would be better at. Actually.

[B]

I'm.

[A]

Put the pin down. I'm gonna push this. Push this.

[C]

And it has worked out.

[A]

Push this. This mouth.

[C]

Do what?

[B]

Not. Okay, phrase it differently. Push this mouth.

[A]

Silly.

[B]

But, yeah, I. I don't think I realized how closely tied these songs in the show were. But, like, now that you call it out, I'm like, oh, yeah, I do distinctly remember it. Like, there's like a car crash scene or something like that. That's like mixed. Like, is that was the music video for the show or were these wholly separate? Like, I don't remember how they became a thing together, but to me, Grey's.

[C]

Anatomy was like my grown up One Tree Hill and like One Tree Hill had all the songs go and listen to my teen and Sarah era was like. Like, yes, I love T and Sarah.

[B]

What CW lacked with writing, they made up for with good music. They always cw, always.

[A]

Was it owned by mtv? Was it owned by Viacom? Like, what the was going on?

[B]

They always had. Hello.

[C]

So like, I felt like that about Gray's Anatomy and I would say that about a lot of Shonda shows. Like, I actually really love that got me interested in being like, do I want to do music supervision? Cuz I find like licensing and syncing music to be very interesting because there's something to like. I remember there was this, this scene in Scandal when she found out that her mama was a liar and a rat. And they had teased it through the music the entire se. They had been playing Michael Jackson's Being, which is about his pet rat dying. They had been playing it the entire episode. And then at the end you found out that her mama was a rat. And they playing that song. And I'm like, that that's crazy.

[A]

That is crazy. I like that.

[C]

That's incredible. Right? Like, and Ben is like, that's not a song you would think about often. You know what I mean? But like to pull that out because it was of the time that they were like showing a flashback of her as a kid and she's listening to this song and then you fast forward and find out that her mama was like lying the whole time. Like, her mama was a rat.

[B]

That is cool. That's like one of those, like, TV things. Because I feel like that's something most people don't pick up. But like, people who like, oh yeah.

[C]

That'S when I nerd out. And so I feel like Shonda in all of her shows, not the recent ones. No Shade, but like in the. In the. The network show, she did a really good job with music supervision and syncing. And it just. That excites me. Like, yes, be creative.

[A]

I do like that. That's actually really cool. Yeah.

[B]

I also did not know that. I thought Ben was about a monkey. It's about a rat. I thought Ben was his pet monkey.

[A]

No.

[B]

Who. Who has a pet rat?

[C]

I don't know what you're talking about. Why does he Have a. Why does he have a pet?

[B]

He had a pet.

[C]

I'm sure he did as an adult, but.

[B]

Oh, sorry. I'm derailing it. Sorry. My bad. I just was confused by this.

[C]

Yeah, he had a pet rat.

[B]

I did not know this. Sure. Hey, go off, Michael. But yes. How to Save a Life is great. Great song. I. It's a good karaoke song. Underrated karaoke song. I think it's one that, like, you would do and everyone would join me.

[A]

I wouldn't do it at karaoke, personally.

[B]

Is it too much of a downer?

[A]

Yeah, it's a little bit of a downer, actually.

[B]

I think it's a sing along song.

[A]

You know, I would sing along to be. If somebody went up and did how to Save a Life, I absolutely would join it.

[B]

That's more important. Yeah. Like, I feel like everyone's like, oh.

[A]

If they wanted me to. You know. Some people be weird about you joining in on their songs.

[B]

Oh. I mean, I don't care how drunk.

[A]

I don't care either. But some people.

[C]

I don't want to sing. If I'm a. If I'm gonna do karaoke, I would like to drag me in. I want to sing, like, vengeance songs. I want to.

[A]

That's fair.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? Like, I really.

[B]

Carrie Underwood.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I want to give.

[C]

Like, before he cheats. I want to give. Bust the windows.

[A]

Right. You want to wrap little Kim's verse on Lady Marmalade.

[C]

That's what I'm saying. That's what I wanted. He wasn't man enough for me. Like, this is what.

[A]

Let me add he was a man enough right. To my karaoke list. That's a good one.

[C]

Get that. Karaoke. I don't want to give Sad and depressed. Yeah. That man tried the wrong one.

[B]

I get that. This. This is definitely like a. It is a sad care. It's a karaoke night on a Tuesday day. Like, it's a half empty bar and you're like, I'm going to sing this. I'm like, oh, whoa. Why do you look so Jewel? What was that face?

[C]

It's a hat. This sound depressing. This don't sound depressing.

[B]

How to save a life. That's why you would sing that song. That's what I'm saying. On a Tuesday.

[C]

Okay, correction. It was not Michael Jackson's pet rat. It was a movie about a rat. He made the song about.

[B]

I was going to say. I don't.

[C]

He did not have a pet rat. He.

[B]

He did have a Pet monkey.

[C]

When.

[B]

He was an adult in real life, yes. He had a pet monkey named Bubbles.

[A]

That is a child.

[B]

Okay. I'm just saying he had a pet monkey. I don't care. I'm not. I'm not telling. I don't.

[C]

I thought get to see this dynamic. Incredible.

[B]

Isn't that what that. That's not what you are not alone is about. I am making that up in my brain. I'm think.

[C]

You are not alone was about Bubbles.

[B]

It's him singing. I'm realizing I'm making that up in my head. I understand. Understand that I'm. I'm making that up as in this moment. I realize that. But in my head that makes sense, does it not? That's a beautiful.

[C]

Where was Bubbles going that he felt alone though.

[B]

You're far away because he's getting taken away. Have you seen Chip Crazy.

[A]

You know, I didn't watch that show.

[C]

Because I had to hit Ryan on the side to talk to him about it. Because you didn't want to watch it.

[A]

Because he turned it on. I said it was so good. It was evil. I literally turned on the first four.

[C]

Minutes and that monkey was still there when she.

[A]

She.

[C]

When she was like, he's dead. He's dead. And then she closed that laptop and went down in that basement to see that monkey. Girl. I thought I was gonna die when.

[A]

I tell you I didn't even get to see a single chimp. Not an ape. An ape of nowhere. Because this whole show, upon turning it on, had dark energy.

[C]

Hiding a chimpanzee in your basement.

[B]

Insane.

[A]

Speaking of, we off the rails right now, but y' all think a man or a gorilla winning 100. 100 men or one gorilla just speed around real quick.

[B]

Wait, the gorilla's winning. I. Because you can't all attack the gorilla at once, so the girl's gonna win.

[A]

Jewel, what you. What you think?

[C]

I agree.

[A]

Okay, so we all have sense. We all think that the gorilla is beating everybody ass. Okay.

[B]

Are serious.

[A]

No, dead dead dead serious, actually. No. Are being dead serious, actually.

[B]

Sure. Okay.

[A]

I. I have seen several swear up and down to hell and back that a hundred can take one.

[C]

And that sounds like something the would say.

[A]

Absolutely.

[C]

I'm surprised that you're surprised.

[B]

You know, it's crazy. A lot of people don't have the opportunity to go to zoos. And I feel like you go to a zoo one time and see a gorilla and you'll know.

[A]

And that's not even the big dogs. The ones in the zoo is not even the big.

[B]

The big ones. I'm saying you cannot because they didn't.

[A]

Been captured by somebody. The big dogs not getting captured.

[B]

And they don't give a.

[A]

They don't. They say, try me if you want to. I'm ripping your face clean off your skull. Actually, like what?

[B]

Sure, sure.

[A]

That's really it. Unless y' all have something that y' all want to.

[C]

Clearly, because we went and got the girl.

[B]

But I think that the gorillas. As if you got attacked by a gorilla, you can make your way down to Seattle Grace Hospital and. And I'm sure Meredith Bailey will get her team together to. To fix you. Right on.

[C]

Not Meredith Miranda.

[B]

Miranda Bailey. Sorry. Miranda Bailey. I said it wrong. That's fine. Because Meredith Grace not there anymore. So she can't.

[A]

Miranda. And a black woman always does have the things on her back at the end of the day. She always running.

[C]

If I was her, I've been retired, I would have been out of there. Let me tell you something.

[A]

I hope she's not still on that show. I hope she is still on the show to get paid, But I hope they let my girl retire.

[C]

I love a check. I saying. I've been saying that I'mma catch up. The issue with Gray is that I do want to catch up. I don't have time to watch 7:30 episode seasons. Like, I just don't have that. I am not 22 anymore. I don't have that type of time at all.

[B]

And it's still going so catching.

[C]

So then I just feel like, well, I just got to let y' all have it at this point. It's too far gone.

[A]

It's gone. Yeah. That's how I feel about Real Housewives. And y' all be telling me I need to watch it. I'm like, it's too. I think that's fine. It's actually true.

[B]

And also that one's less. I mean, you. You can probably watch a YouTube and catch up there. Yeah, you can watch a YouTube video and catch up on that, to be fair.

[A]

That's fair. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's it for today's show then. Ryan and Jewel, please let the folks know where they can find you on the Internet.

[C]

I'm on social media. My name on all platforms is at jewelwickershow.

[B]

Hey. And you can find me on all socials at goodguyry.

[A]

Period. And for those of you who want to check us out on YouTube, you can go to YouTube.com black people love Paramore. Paramore. The link will be in the show. Notes if you have comments or suggestions or hate mail or fan mail, or if you just, like, want to tell me that you think that I'm really pretty, you can hit me@BlackPeopleLove Paramore Gmail.com or across all social media platforms @BPLPPOD. And if you want to communicate with me personally, you can find me at Sequoia B. Holmes. Also, you can listen to me every day on SirusXM on channel 109 in your car from 3 to 4pm Pacific Time, 6 to 7pm Eastern Time. That's it. Okay. Well, bye, y'.

[C]

All.

[B]

Bye.