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Amber
Foreign.
Sequoia Holmes
Welcome to Black People Love Paramore, a pop culture show not about the band Paramore, but a show about the common as well as the uncommon interests of black people. In order to help us feel a little bit more scene. I am Sequoia Holmes, and today we have recurring guests on the show Amber and Amanda.
Amber
Hello.
Amanda
Hello.
Sequoia Holmes
It's great to be back.
Amanda
It's great to be back.
Sequoia Holmes
Y' all are always great and knowledgeable about all things Disney. So last time I saw y', all or last time the audience saw y', all, y' all were on the High School Musical episode.
Amber
Yes.
Sequoia Holmes
And not the most recent High School Musical episode because we did a new one for the 25th question. 20th anniversary.
Amber
It's a big year.
Sequoia Holmes
And it was fun. It was cute. Me and Ryan were going back and forth about some High School Musical stuff. And now I needed to tap into my experts once more, my real Disney Channel experts. Y' all know that I am a Disney Channel girl, but these are Disney Channel girls.
Amber
Yeah.
Amanda
Yeah. Disney Channel was our religion.
Amber
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Like, I. I tried to be these two, actually, is what. Is what I was going for. Before we really get into the episode, you see the title? You know what we're talking about today? Can you take a second rate? Us? Five stars. Preferably five stars. And per usual, I'm gonna do my little synopsis of Hannah Montana. That's what we're talking about today. And if you think I do a good job, give me five guitar emojis in the comment section. Okay. Or however many like emojis you think I deserve. I'm gonna aim at five. But you tell me what you think I deserve. Thank you very much. Oh. And naturally. Yeah.
Amber
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
And today, I am Hannah, as you can see. Thank you so much, Amber and Amanda, for bringing me the wig. Yes.
Amber
Oh.
Amanda
Oh, the fit working.
Amber
Oh, my goodness.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amber
It's like giving Hannah.
Amanda
Okay, wait, you. I know you say mocha grande's. What's the word for, like, a black Hannah Montana fan, y'.
Sequoia Holmes
All Tell me, what is the word for a black Hannah Montana?
Amanda
I haven't.
Sequoia Holmes
Whoa.
Amanda
We haven't. It doesn't exist. I feel like we need to coin.
Amber
It should coin.
Sequoia Holmes
We should think about that. Okay, let's think about it.
Amber
Black Hannah Montana.
Sequoia Holmes
Hannah Han. Hannah. Oh. Oh, you found something.
Amanda
Yeah, but I don't know.
Sequoia Holmes
Don't worry. We're problematic here to a degree. Say it.
Amanda
You know, Hennessy Montana.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay. Hennessy Montana.
Amber
I'm not mad at Tennessee Montana.
Sequoia Holmes
Because it's like Tennessee whiskey.
Amber
Tennessee.
Sequoia Holmes
Tennessee. Montana.
Amber
Montana.
Sequoia Holmes
I see how we get there.
Amber
Yeah, that's good.
Amanda
And we're from Tennessee, so I feel like I can say that.
Amber
Absolutely, Absolutely.
Sequoia Holmes
Absolutely. I like that a lot.
Amber
That actually works because now it's still H m too.
Amanda
Oh, yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
Well.
Amber
Hm.
Sequoia Holmes
Hennessy Montana.
Amanda
Hennessy Montana.
Sequoia Holmes
I like that.
Amanda
I'm a Hennessy Montana.
Sequoia Holmes
Naturally. Okay, well, I. I don't know that I identify as such, but.
Amanda
But today you are.
Sequoia Holmes
But today I am actually Hennessy Montana.
Amanda
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah. So if you're seeing me, you know what I'm talking about. Here's the premise of Hannah Montana. And as stands, y' all tell me how I do here. Okay? Okay, Okay. I like to try to do it off the cuff. I'm really not good at explaining premises of anything, really. But I'm gonna try it anyways.
Amber
Okay.
Sequoia Holmes
So Hannah Montana is a television series about a preteen ish girl named Miley Stewart who doubles as a pop star. She moonlights as a pop star. So by day she goes to school, she's a normal girl. She has her best friends. She's brunette. Important caveat, she has dark hair. When she is Hannah Montana, though, the pop star, when she switches into pop star mode, she's blonde and she's unrecognizable.
Amanda
Exactly.
Sequoia Holmes
Nobody knows who she is anymore.
Amanda
Nobody knows.
Sequoia Holmes
And that's how she makes her life.
Amber
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
Makes her living. She's kind of like Kim Possible, you know, Kim Possible's regular girl. And then she goes and saves the world.
Amber
Right. That's a good point. Because. But she's Kim Possible. If. If. If she was able to keep her business her own, you know what I mean?
Sequoia Holmes
If everybody wasn't blasting her business everywhere, everybody wasn't all in her, you know, all her stuff. Right. She would be more like Hannah Montana.
Amber
Yeah.
Amanda
I feel like Hannah Montana is more like Superman or Spider Man.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay.
Amanda
And Superman because, you know, same face.
Sequoia Holmes
Yes.
Amanda
Just one thing's different.
Amber
Clark Ken effect.
Sequoia Holmes
Right.
Amanda
Just one thing's different. It's like he puts on the glasses and of course, no one knows. No one can tell she puts on the wig. Nobody knows. Other I have.
Amber
Okay.
Amanda
We're just. It's fantasy. It's fantasy. Miley Cyrus has one of the most distinctive faces and voices.
Amber
And voices, yes, absolutely.
Sequoia Holmes
And teeth at this time. I like it.
Amber
No, honestly.
Amanda
And teeth at this time.
Amber
And that.
Amanda
And the teeth were informing the cadence.
Sequoia Holmes
Absolutely.
Amber
And the voice.
Amanda
Absolutely. They all recognize. Very intertwined.
Sequoia Holmes
It was important.
Amanda
Yeah.
Amber
Thank goodness.
Amanda
It really was, you know, but no, we just. It just, like. Like, just suspend your disbelief. Like. Yeah, nobody knows it's her.
Sequoia Holmes
What's funny, for me, as a child, I didn't have to suspend my disbelief. I thought she looked that different.
Amanda
I was nine. And so I'm gonna agree with you, in the trailers, I was like, it's
Amber
hard for me to tell.
Amanda
Is it one or two girls in the trailers?
Amber
It was confusing in the trailers.
Sequoia Holmes
So I really should have had a little bit more understanding.
Amanda
Right.
Sequoia Holmes
I was 11. I remember looking at those trailers for Hannah Montana being like, oh, wow, that is a different person. Like, it was similar to in the Princess Diaries when she gets that makeover.
Amanda
Right.
Sequoia Holmes
Wholeheartedly thought that they brought in a new actress.
Amber
That just unlocked a memory for me.
Amanda
No, I thought it was magic. I think that that type of thing, like, that type of, like, Disney. Because Princess Diaries is a Disney movie too, just not Disney Channel. But, like, that type of, like, whole makeover type thing made me believe that I could look any way.
Amber
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
And is it wrong?
Amanda
And it's not.
Sequoia Holmes
When you were dressing up.
Amanda
Exactly.
Amber
Hannah Montana.
Amanda
I don't know where Sequoia went to. She's not.
Sequoia Holmes
I'm Hennessy.
Amber
I'm sorry.
Sequoia Holmes
I'm Hennessy Montana. Yeah.
Amanda
As we speak.
Sequoia Holmes
Thank you.
Amber
Yeah. No, it's the same concept of, like, I guess, like, your dress up. Bin storage. And you would just put on the dress and you are suddenly Cinderella. And especially you didn't really think about it.
Amanda
You didn't especially because, like, we lived in Tennessee, and she was like, I'm from Tennessee. And I went out to the. To Malibu. I was like, I can do that.
Amber
Right?
Sequoia Holmes
And you did. And you actually quite literally did.
Amber
Where are we now? And we did. And it's 20 years later. And that's kind of.
Amanda
It's.
Amber
That's what I meant at the beginning when I was like, it's kind of in our makeup. Disney Channel is a little bit just kind of intertwined into how we approach things.
Sequoia Holmes
That makes complete sense. Yeah.
Amanda
And I feel like we've. We've. We have had these conversations, like, so go look at our other episodes of Black People of Paramore. Right. This is a three. But, like, I do feel like it. Hannah Montana, to me, at least I understand why so many black people and marginalized people connect to it.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay.
Amanda
Because it is kind of like that double consciousness. I'm gonna get academic by W.E.B. du Bois. Oh, you're eating. And like, that mask that you present to the world and Your secret identity, who you know yourself to be. Yeah. So it's like we present a lot of different masks to the world and we can take on a lot of different things, things to different people, but inside we know who we are. And to me, the end of Hannah Montana, her unreal, like, revealing it is like making herself whole. It's like you don't have to compartmentalize different parts of your identity, whether that's black or queer or femme, whatever it is. Like, you can be whole.
Amber
Absolutely.
Amanda
To everybody.
Amber
Absolutely.
Amanda
And also, you don't have to be blonde to be loved.
Sequoia Holmes
Let's. Let's.
Amber
And you don't have to be blonde to be loved. Yes. In that part.
Sequoia Holmes
Because they tried to convince us that you did. Yes, they really did try to convince us.
Amber
Right.
Sequoia Holmes
I mean, they as Disney and. And everybody.
Amber
And everybody. And I feel like. I feel Miley has spoken on it herself. Like, she was also trying to live up to this blonde Persona that was literally her with a wig on. And she, like, Miley Cyrus was trying to live up to Hannah Montana. And that was kind of a problem for her own adolescence. I know. She was so swelled like that.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amber
They were like, do this. You're the pop star, and then the one who looks more like you is the nerd. Yeah.
Amanda
Right.
Sequoia Holmes
It's like you're just average, but, like, you're a pop star when you're blonde.
Amanda
Right, Right.
Sequoia Holmes
Fair enough.
Amber
You're playing a character, which means everybody.
Sequoia Holmes
And nobody knows you either. Nobody thinks you'. Nobody can even tell that you are important because you have dark hair.
Amanda
And also, unfortunately, it was reflected in real life, which is why I think, like, it is a testament to Miley that Miley Cyrus has eclipsed Hannah Montana.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amanda
Because it was not the case in, like, 2007 when we went to the
Sequoia Holmes
Best of Both Worlds tour.
Amanda
Shout out to our shirts. We got the one with Miley on it on purpose. I think there was one with Hannah, but, like, it was Hannah Montana to meet Miley Cyrus. And it was like the crowd, like, Hannah was first, then Miley.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amanda
And the crowd got quieter, really, when Miley came out.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah. That's so crazy to me because I had the physical copy of Hannah Montana meet Miley Cyrus.
Amber
Yes.
Sequoia Holmes
And one of the discs was Hannah and the other disc was Miley.
Amber
Right.
Sequoia Holmes
I played that Miley disc out.
Amber
Ow.
Sequoia Holmes
Played that Miley disc out. Hannah disc got a couple spins, but nowhere near what the Miley discharge Northumberland High.
Amber
I mean, G and O. Hello, Dan.
Amanda
Hello.
Sequoia Holmes
It went crazy.
Amanda
Oh, my God. Her voice. There's something. There's like a qua. There's like a grunge quality to Miley's voice does not exist on the Hannah side for sure. And I was like, yeah, start all over. Yeah, I'm gonna start all over.
Sequoia Holmes
Right.
Amber
It was a more like out on the fire. It was a more punk punk, and Hannah was more pop. And I guess you could say Miley is pop punk. Or that that version of Miley was more pop punk.
Sequoia Holmes
Yep.
Amber
But it was something new to the Disney Channel. Girlies, like, that audience, we were like, what's this sound like? We're feeling free.
Sequoia Holmes
It was.
Amanda
They play again at the club.
Sequoia Holmes
I'm on the floor, I promise you.
Amanda
Yeah, I'm sorry. Getting on the floor now.
Sequoia Holmes
I promise you.
Amanda
I mean, I'm getting up.
Sequoia Holmes
It's pretty much ad libs of 9, 9 and 2000. You hear that? Come on. Yes. I am going to go shake my behind. Right? Yeah.
Amanda
See you again to me is like lose Control by Missy Elliott. Like, I'm like, we have.
Amber
It has that water.
Amanda
We're gonna have to go out there.
Amber
Yeah, there's that power in there. So.
Sequoia Holmes
So can y' all tell me y' all favorite Hannah Montana songs then? So Hannah Specific.
Amber
Okay, Hannah Specific, Not Miley. I love Rockstar.
Sequoia Holmes
I love Rockstar. Rockstar is good.
Amanda
Totally good.
Amber
I feel like I've always loved Rockstar, but I think that that has been more of, like, post 20s love. But it was influenced by how much I loved as a child. But I remember when I heard Just like you in the second episode, I remember I liked that green outfit and I liked the song because I don't know why. I was just like, oh, I know all these lyrics, like, right off the bat. I like that one. And then if we.
Amanda
I like the guitar on that.
Amber
That one. Yeah. Yeah. And in the way she sounds. I don't know, something about it tickled my brain. I was like, oh, this is a really good song. And then, yeah, if We Were a movie. Because I like the. The visual of it all.
Sequoia Holmes
It does have a good visual.
Amber
The bridge is really good.
Sequoia Holmes
I was looking at. Oh, no, I'm not. Yeah, no, I was looking at if We Were a Movie today. On my way here, I was just looking at the track list for what is that in Montana? 3.
Amanda
That if we were movie was on the first one. Yeah. Just hand.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay. I was looking at something today where it said, featuring Corbin Blue.
Amber
They did.
Sequoia Holmes
They.
Amber
They redid it in season three.
Amanda
Oh, yeah, they did.
Sequoia Holmes
They redid it during the stuff featuring Corbin Blue. And I said, I've never heard Corbin Blue on this song before. What are you talking about? He made that up.
Amanda
He came back.
Amber
Crush. He was like a. A crush.
Amanda
He's in the first episode.
Amber
He's in the first episode. And then he came back in season three.
Sequoia Holmes
Hannah Montana.
Amanda
Yes. Corbin was on the first episode of Hannah Montana. And I. That's the Disney machine. That's the Disney machine. Because he had just been on his musical.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amanda
And so he was, like, the most famous person in the pilot.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amanda
And it was like, first, I think that yes, from Tennessee, and yes, she's being a pop star, but the fact that she had a black crush in the very first episode, I think sets the tone.
Amber
It kept it. I mean, it kept us.
Amanda
It kept us.
Amber
It kept us on it. Because I. I mean, we had a whole musical review talking about our love for Disney Channel called Disney Vortex. And we were. We were talking about how we loved something that seemingly was so white. And how did that happen from the beginning of our childhood. And basically the reveal is we started on Disney Channel with proud family.
Amanda
Sister.
Amber
Sister revens.
Sequoia Holmes
That's a raven.
Amber
The queen. It's a whole love letter to Raven Baxter Simone. So it was just like having Chad be there. It was still just enough to catch us to be like, yeah, we're still in safe territory.
Sequoia Holmes
100.
Amber
Yeah.
Amanda
I get that there is some overlap with black culture and southern culture just in general, because most black people in the United States are in the South. And so certain things that they were saying, I'm like, well, I relate. And I didn't realize that it was so specific culturally until I moved out of Tennessee. We always talk about how we couldn't tell she had a southern accent. Yeah, she was singing in a Southern accent. She just sounded like all of the people we went to school with.
Amber
No, honestly, like, I. I have been re watching it, and I'm like, Billy Ray Cyrus is saying every single word without an R in the middle.
Sequoia Holmes
I dare say country.
Amber
Country, country, country, country, like, very.
Amanda
But we're from Memphis. Nashville's way. Country.
Sequoia Holmes
Is it okay?
Amber
And she's like. She was from Franklin, which is, like, right outside even country. So that's just really like Crowley, Cor
Sequoia Holmes
Franklin and Charlie Corners is where Miley Stewart is from.
Amanda
Yeah.
Amber
Yes.
Sequoia Holmes
Got it.
Amber
Yes.
Amanda
But.
Amber
And I remember when that. That film was happening in 2009, a bunch of, like, our. We just know random people who were extras because they came to film in Nashville and some random people were Extras
Amanda
in it really quickly, I want to say my favorite songs because from the first season and that first album, it was I Got nerve.
Amber
Yeah.
Amanda
Because I saw her perform at Disneyland. Did you ever see that video of her performing at Disneyland? She has, like, a white dress on with leggings, and it's like white with pink splotches and, like the black belt.
Sequoia Holmes
Yep.
Amanda
I just thought she looked so badass. I had never seen her look like that on the show in any music video. I was like, what is this energy? And she was performing live. It was like, Miley has, like, she's like, infectious live. Her energy live is, like, unparalleled. And those. Those, the ones on the show, obviously they're live, but, like, they were for audiences that didn't know who she was yet and she was giving her all. But that I Got nerve is just like, holy. Oh, my God, I got nerve.
Sequoia Holmes
I got nervous. Good.
Amber
And really good. The lyrics in that one, it's just like.
Amanda
Yeah, they're all manifestations.
Sequoia Holmes
They're all manifesting. Like, move out the way. You're asking for me one day.
Amanda
Yeah, you're gonna be asking for me one day.
Amber
We haven't met, but that's okay. I got this in the bag.
Amanda
Yeah, that's.
Amber
What is that energy? Amazing.
Sequoia Holmes
Amazing.
Amanda
But then the first one back from season two, nobody's Perfect. And I think nobody's Perfect has crack in it.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amanda
For me, because I hear that. Everybody makes mistakes.
Amber
Everybody has those days.
Sequoia Holmes
One, two, three, ball.
Amanda
And those hips.
Sequoia Holmes
And those hips.
Amanda
And I. I didn't. This. I didn't like the song when I first heard it because I heard it on the radio and then I saw her perform it and I was like, oh, God.
Sequoia Holmes
Yep.
Amanda
You guys, he got me. Yeah, she's got me back. And that crowd knows who Hannah Montana is, right?
Amber
They were excited to get that taping.
Amanda
And she's sweating.
Amber
Yeah. The choreography is real. Like, it's a one shot.
Amanda
It's like one shot. Yeah. And there's a moment in the music video, I. When I was little, I was like, this is not a music video. It's a live performance.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amanda
But it kept saying music video.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amanda
And there's a moment where she's actually singing live. Like, they cut out the track and then she's singing live. And she sounds so good. But she sounds out of breath. But she sounds so good. Her voice control is so good.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah. And I don't know.
Amanda
I was too young to know what voice control was or like, star quality, whatever. But, like, I knew that, like, she had something.
Sequoia Holmes
She had.
Amanda
It was captivating. She had something. And the Hannah Montana to meet Miley Cyrus era was, like, unparalleled.
Amber
But to go back to, before we move from the. The Voice topic.
Sequoia Holmes
Yep.
Amber
I just remember people always being like people like fourth graders, you know, my peers at the time being like, it's auto tuned. It's auto tuned. And I was always like, you guys, it's the effect of her being a pop star. Miley Cyrus, that actress, me at nine can actually sing. Like, you guys don't have enough sense to know that yet. Yes, they're gonna stylize it on the track, but, like, she sings so many times on the show, like, just loudly. Her voice carries so much. Like Miley, Miley. Whenever she sings, her ad libs, her voice is carrying so far on the set, it's loud. Like, you can tell it's not edited. And I'm like, girls, you're being haters.
Sequoia Holmes
You're not quite understanding. You're actually being a hater. I watched the Hannah Montana movie for the first time today, and I noticed. I swear she's singing live. I swear the vocals are live in the Hannah Montana.
Amanda
I would believe that. Which one? Which part are you talking about?
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah, the climb. Oh, I'm like, excuse me. You're singing right now. That's not that you're singing that right now.
Amber
I feel like.
Amanda
I mean, I think Miley always sings live on set, but I do think that they. They either mixed in the track or like, it's just. It's the track. But because she's singing live, it looks.
Amber
It looks like that she's.
Amanda
She's like, put. Not everyone's good at lip syncing. No, she's incredible at it.
Amber
I think it's because she is singing. She is singing because Zayn Malik, catching Strays cannot lip sync. He cannot. My poor. My poor baby boy.
Sequoia Holmes
So many people can't.
Amber
He barely moves his mouth. And it's like, you're not. I've seen you sing live, son. And your mouth is wide open. You're mumbling when you're lip syncing.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amber
So I do think it's like, if you actually sing.
Sequoia Holmes
That's the tip.
Amber
I don't know why he hasn't started doing that.
Sequoia Holmes
Somebody has to tell him.
Amber
You are like.
Sequoia Holmes
Nobody told you. You actually do have to enunciate. You have to pretend to sing.
Amber
I know you know how to sing.
Amanda
Like, because you don't. You know, when you sing, you have to close your eyes. And open your mouth.
Sequoia Holmes
As Miley. As Miley.
Amanda
What did you think of the Hannah Montana movie? Movie.
Sequoia Holmes
So, okay, for reference, I did Hannah Montana. As I just mentioned, I. Hannah Montana came out when I was 11. Okay. So I was in the age group of someone who would Hannah Montana. I had grown up on Raven Simone. I'm a Raven girl absolutely to my core. My blood, my breath, everything within me is Raven Simone.
Amanda
She raised a generation.
Sequoia Holmes
You know what I mean? She really raised me. And so I went into Hannah Montana a little bit more skeptical and a little underwhelmed because I went from what I think is a traditional sitcom informed by Martin. You know what I mean? Like, the physical comedy of Raven Simone, like Disney Channel has shifted.
Amanda
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
When it went from Lizzie McGuire. That's so Raven. Even Stevens to Hannah Montana. Sonny with a Chance. What's the place? Wizards of Waverly.
Amber
It's so interesting that you're saying this because you were 11 and that was. So you're near Miley's age.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amber
So, okay, let me get my thoughts. So fast forward. When I was around the age where people my age were actually being on Disney Channel, that's when I was heading out as well. And judging and judging and judging. But even more to your point of why you had some reason to judge Hannah Montana. While I love the concept, I love what it taught me at the time. The way the acting that Miley is doing is a direct descendant of something that RA Raven birthed on Disney Channel. And those other shows like Lizzie McGuire and even Stevens were different. They were all doing their own thing 1000%. And Raven. Raven's model somehow was what they wanted to take, probably because it was black. They wanted to take and apply it to all the other shows. And it happened to Hannah Montana. It happened with Shake It Up. It happened with Jesse.
Amanda
They all acted like they don't understand. I don't think that executives understand that, like, what Raven was doing was unique.
Amber
Yeah.
Amanda
It was her channel because she was black. Like, you can't. I mean, it is like, just cultural appropriat.
Sequoia Holmes
Aave.
Amanda
Like, you can't just, like, stand on set and be like, what?
Amber
It's not gonna work.
Sequoia Holmes
It's not the same. It's very much not the same.
Amanda
Raven's doing something, mimicking something naturally. Also, I was watching that's a Raven this week for fun.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amanda
Not for homework, but for fun. Yeah. And the whole family and Eddie are doing things that no one on TV is doing anymore.
Amber
Hello, comedian.
Amanda
No genius chemistry.
Amber
So original.
Sequoia Holmes
It's Insane. Insane.
Amanda
It is. So they're just being black. Like, they're not even, like, they're not even working hard to be funny. They're just being black.
Sequoia Holmes
I mean, they're just being black. They're just being black. That's quite literally it.
Amber
For some reason. The timing in what and how in the response. The response timing that black people have is just like, why are you being so unserious?
Sequoia Holmes
Very much that. Like, so as I'm watching Hannah Montana, the movie for the first time and like kind of remembering watching Hannah Montana because I think I watched all of it as a child, I'm like, oh, Miley is giving Raven. And I think obviously she is the best part of Hannah Montana. As I'm watching it, I'm like, she's funny. She is a star. She's funny. I'm entertained by her. She's a star. And like you mentioned, because she is Southern, I think she can get away with a little bit more of leaning into the Raven esque behavior.
Amber
I agree with that.
Sequoia Holmes
Than much of the other cast could get away with.
Amber
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
And so I was having a really good time watching Hannah Montana movie for the first time. I went into it again, skeptical because I did not love Hannah Montana. I liked it, but I did not love it. And so I went into the movie being like, this is gonna be fine, especially as an adult. Like, I probably missed the wave where I would thoroughly enjoy this. And so I'm mitigating my expectations. I was laughing. I was having an actually good time. I was giggling. I was like, damn, they gave this a crazy budget.
Amber
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
The budget for this was nuts.
Amber
It was nice.
Sequoia Holmes
First of all.
Amber
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
Second of all, Miley is a star.
Amber
Third of all, great in that movie.
Sequoia Holmes
All the actors that they hired for that movie in particular.
Amber
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
They were killing it. They did not have to be that good of actors or a decom.
Amanda
They got Margot Martindale.
Amber
Yeah.
Amanda
To be her grandmother. That's like watching her actress.
Sequoia Holmes
He said that.
Amanda
Margo Martindale and Vanessa Williams.
Amber
Vanessa.
Sequoia Holmes
Vanessa Williams, Tyra Banks.
Amber
It was pretty. Yeah. No, And I do. I don't know. Miley looks so good in them. I remember when it came out, I was like, she looks amazing. She did look great in all of the scenes.
Amanda
I feel like I do think that the reason Hannah Montana works is because knowing Miley now, she has respect for drag. And after some years of bumpy road, the black community. Yes, she has respect.
Amber
Yes.
Amanda
Okay. She grew up in the South. She knows the coolest bitches in the south are Black.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay. She knows.
Amanda
She knows. Like, we had Roxy, we have Vanessa Williams. We had Tyra Banks. Like, I feel like the, the Hannah Montana is just like such a. I'm gonna spend the rest my life, like, hypothesizing why Hannah Montana, like, works for so many black people. But I just do think it's because of the dress up and the drag and the drama and the like and the like.
Amber
I mean, yeah, it's fun. Yeah. I will say, I will, I will give, I will give the other kids of the cast and Jason Earls their props because they did, they did have their. They did have their, like, original improv moments. So I don't want to say that they were completely like, yeah, taking from Raven. But there was a shift and I stand by that.
Amanda
Yeah, I think the directors were probably shifting towards Raven. However, like Emily Osmond and Jason Earl specifically are like such good sitcom actors. Like, they like, I'm pretty. Like, Emily's still working in sitcoms and she's like thriving in that.
Sequoia Holmes
She's doing a lot.
Amanda
She's good at it.
Sequoia Holmes
She's a couple of them.
Amanda
And the quotes that I quote from Hannah Montana, the show, because Miley is like my diva. And I love Miley because of the music and because of her music lasting after. But my favorite parts of Hannah Montana the show are like, Lily going, don't come in, Daddy. Like, doing like crazy shit like that.
Amber
Jason Jackson being like, my extendo neck. Like when they were like trying to get out of that car situation. Do you remember this episode?
Amanda
They're like arguing. It's like an episode where Miley and Jackson are arguing and they're being forced to, like, stay like, be together. And they're grounded, but they sneak out and then Oliver pretending to be there
Amber
and look over, look over the railing and he goes, oh, sorry, I forgot my extendo neck.
Sequoia Holmes
Oh, I do kind of remember that. I remember that a little bit.
Amanda
She's like, what? What about me? And he goes, your big head will keep us balanced.
Amber
Yeah, yeah.
Amanda
And then, I mean, those are the lines that like, stick with me.
Amber
Cheese jerky. That was a good one. Moises and Jason, whenever they would do their sing a sing along arias.
Amanda
Also, he's funny. He was so, so funny. We met him when we were like, oh, yes. 14 and 12 out here in a
Sequoia Holmes
beach, on a mountain.
Amanda
On the beach. Because they were like our parents. I don't know how we ended up. We were on some film set and they were like, moises Aries is in this movie. And we. And My. Our dad went over and we're like. Was like, can you take a picture of my daughter?
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah. Come on, dad.
Amber
Yeah. And he was. And he. We took the photo, but our mom was having trouble with the camera, and so he was just, like, standing with
Sequoia Holmes
us for a long time.
Amanda
For a long time.
Amber
It was so awkward.
Sequoia Holmes
You got your picture.
Amber
We got the picture. It was my profile picture on Facebook,
Sequoia Holmes
as it should have been three months.
Amanda
You.
Sequoia Holmes
You went through a lot, a lot to get that picture.
Amanda
So.
Sequoia Holmes
Yes, I'm glad that you put it as your. You put it as your cover photo.
Amber
Yeah, no, I put on. I put it. But I cropped Amanda out. It was just me and Moist.
Amanda
I was offended.
Amber
Stop, girl. And I know about me.
Amanda
I never. I mean, I never told you, but I was like, I want people to know. I was there, too.
Sequoia Holmes
I probably did.
Amanda
You did, too.
Sequoia Holmes
I was like, you did it, too. I'm sure you did.
Amber
Oh, I didn't know. I started the fight, though. The war.
Sequoia Holmes
No, we literally had.
Amanda
No, that makes teenagers. But, no, I love the Hand Montana movie just to Rabbit. I went to see it. I went to see it for my. It came out the day before my birthday. 2009.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amanda
That's why it's so high quality.
Amber
Okay.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay, so which one came out first? High School Musical 3 or Hannah Montana?
Amanda
High School Music.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay, so that's probably why Hannah Montana got the budget that it did. Yeah, probably.
Amanda
Now that you say that. Yeah, it's. They lined up perfectly because, like, High School Musical and then two months later, Hannah Montana and then Heist Musical 3 came out October 24, 2008, and Hannah Montana was April 10, 2009.
Amber
Yeah, we did.
Amanda
Sorry. I was gonna say just generally fall,
Sequoia Holmes
but I was like, no, I know why. I know the dates. Why would I do that? This is a safe space. I'm happy that you felt free to do that.
Amber
Now, the calendar.
Sequoia Holmes
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Sequoia Holmes
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Sequoia Holmes
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Sequoia Holmes
I had to look up the dates of when Hannah Montana began and when Taylor Swift came out because I thought that Hannah Montana was Disney's response to the popularity of Taylor Swift. Incorrect. They came out like this. Hannah Montana came out March 24, 2006 and Taylor Swift came out in June 2006. And so there's no way to know. And then Taylor Swift was in.
Amanda
Their albums came out the same day.
Sequoia Holmes
Did they?
Amanda
Yeah, because Hannah Montana was released. But then they waited to release the whole album. So it was like only Best of both worlds out. But like the whole album of Hannah Montana season one and Taylor Swift first album came out the same exact.
Amber
And what day. Wait, what day did Taylor Swift come out?
Sequoia Holmes
It just says.
Amber
Was that like what's the song?
Sequoia Holmes
It came out October 24, 2006 is when her debut album came out. I don't know when our song came out. Yeah, came out in June 20.
Amanda
Okay. So yeah, that October 2006, that was the day that the Hannah Montana and Taylor Swift's album.
Amber
So the June 2006 has to be our song. Because I remember it was the summertime our neighbor who was a blonde girl was playing our song in like July probably in like. Yeah, in the summer. So that May. That does line up because I was obsessed with that.
Sequoia Holmes
Our song was fantastic. That's a hit. I really. Y' all know I don't Taylor Swift, but.
Amber
Right.
Sequoia Holmes
Our song.
Amanda
And y' all know we don't Taylor
Sequoia Holmes
Swift, but our song in that one, we can.
Amber
Yeah, we can go.
Amanda
Our song is a slamming screen door.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amanda
Window.
Amber
Window.
Sequoia Holmes
I loved it. I loved it. That was good. So their simultaneous rise. Something about it is so weird. Like I'm like, how did y' all know? How did y' all know that both of these things were going to be the biggest things?
Amber
That is a very interesting question. And it poses like, who?
Sequoia Holmes
What?
Amber
Who could have been one of the one. The comps on the board in that exact. In the exec hallways at the time, I'm thinking like, was it maybe a little bit of like Hilary Duff mixed with what was Shania Twain doing at the time?
Amanda
It was Shania Twain. Shania Twain was Miley's biggest inspiration. She's the one who like she's talked about this. She's like, they didn't really know who Hannah Montana was. I mean, she's like a 13 year old mega pop star that's kind of pop, country.
Sequoia Holmes
Country, right?
Amanda
And she's like, I was just going off Shania Twain. Like she did all those ad libs. Like the.
Amber
Oh yeah.
Amanda
Like no one told her to do that.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah, she was.
Amanda
She was doing that and she was imitating Shania Twain.
Amber
Shania Twain is the reason that Brad Pitt doesn't impress on me much. You know, how do we get here?
Amanda
Shut up.
Amber
How do we you know, the times that don't impress a meme much.
Sequoia Holmes
Oh, yeah, I forget. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Amber
I just love Shania Twaid.
Amanda
Okay, I'm gonna agree. But also at the same time, I'm like, I feel like they were these mini me's of what was going on in pop and country.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amanda
Taylor Swift was like Minnie, Faith Hill, whatever. I don't know much about country.
Amber
Neither do I. I really don't.
Amanda
Blind spot. And that. She was married to Tim McGraw. Right. And she wrote a song called Tim McGraw.
Sequoia Holmes
Sure. Okay. Yeah.
Amanda
And someone jot that down. Taylor Swift was Faith Hill.
Sequoia Holmes
Faith Hill was married to.
Amanda
And then Miley's being Minnie. Minnie. Like Shania Twain's Slash like maybe Dixie Chicks, probably. Yeah. And slash like Joan Jettish. Dolly Parton.
Sequoia Holmes
Dolly Parton, yeah. I'm like, definitely her. Yeah.
Amanda
Because I. Because I looked it up when we were doing our.
Amber
We.
Amanda
We just recorded our Hannah Montana episode a couple weeks ago and I looked it up. I said, what? Who else was a 12 year old pop star, right? Other than like Michael Jackson, Aaron Carter, like, it's tiny. It's like little boys. But like.
Amber
Yeah.
Amanda
Who was the comp for like a mega famous girl?
Sequoia Holmes
12 year old girl. There just wasn't.
Amanda
There wasn't. They made her up.
Amber
They made her.
Sequoia Holmes
They totally made her up.
Amber
They made her up.
Sequoia Holmes
No, because JoJo came out later.
Amanda
No. Okay. No, JoJo.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay, so that's JoJo.
Amber
Yeah.
Amanda
JoJo was 13, right?
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah, yeah. And she came out what, 2003.
Amber
I want to say she had her own, like.
Amanda
Oh, but she was R B. Yeah,
Sequoia Holmes
she was R B. She was Ashanti. She was Ashanti, baby. Ashanti is what she was. Yeah. Totally different.
Amanda
Totally different. And like Aaliyah was like 16.
Sequoia Holmes
Oh, Aaliyah was young when she came out too. I think she was younger than 16.
Amber
Oh, okay.
Sequoia Holmes
She was. Yeah, she was a baby. Yeah. I think she was 14 maybe.
Amanda
But I'm like 12 year olds popping off is like a male thing.
Sequoia Holmes
It is a male thing because it
Amber
was Justin Bieber and it was Aaron
Amanda
Carter, Donny Osmond, Michael Jackson.
Sequoia Holmes
Right.
Amber
Yeah.
Amanda
Like, and if you want to go really far back, it's like Shirley Temple. But like, she wasn't like, she was
Sequoia Holmes
an actress, you know, like Britney Spears
Amber
popped off when she was 16. She started at the Mickey Mouse Club when she was younger. But she kind of started being a pop star at. With baby one more time.
Amanda
Because when Hannah Montana starts, she's already mega famous.
Sequoia Holmes
Right.
Amanda
She's 13, right?
Amber
Yeah.
Amanda
And she's been in LA for two years.
Amber
She moved out to LA because she got too famous in Tennessee or. What was it?
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah. Like, what brought her out to la?
Amber
Yeah.
Amanda
The EP that we talked to Doug Lebline told us that they had a loose backstory in the writers room where it was like she had had a best friend in Tennessee who knew her secret. So she was famous already.
Amber
Exactly.
Amanda
That's what I see.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay.
Amanda
And she had a best friend who knew her secret and, like, kind of wanted to manipulate her to use the secret for popularity or something. She got burned something nebulous. And so then they moved to LA and decided to keep. Because nobody can know the secret. That's why she didn't want to tell Lily.
Amber
Strong trigger that Lily was causing in the first episode. She was like, you won't treat me the same.
Sequoia Holmes
Lily was like, you're being weird. Like, something's off, right? Yeah.
Amber
Right. And then he was like, we have to tell everybody. But Lily was just having a good old time. She didn't mean any harm.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah. And they communicated questionably because in the movie, when she's speaking to that reporter.
Amber
Oh, my gosh.
Amanda
Remember?
Amber
Why would they write that?
Sequoia Holmes
Okay. But she did.
Amanda
She's mad. She's mad at Miley. Miley's.
Amber
Miley's been too big for watching us and I.
Amanda
Acting up.
Sequoia Holmes
Hello, New York.
Amber
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
Or was she the money maker and she needed to focus on her job?
Amber
Well.
Sequoia Holmes
And you knew I was gonna miss your birthday, right? Like, I don't want to tell you.
Amber
Like, I'm here.
Sequoia Holmes
I'm the biggest pops on the planet.
Amber
Babe, go off, Hannah.
Sequoia Holmes
If Hannah calls, I do have to
Amber
go, go, go off. I mean, that's the point. You have me there.
Sequoia Holmes
The movie gave Beyonce double pneumonia in order for Hannah to be able to take her place at whatever award show, and that's why she had to miss Lily's birthday.
Amber
Is that the reason is.
Sequoia Holmes
Yes.
Amber
Oh, yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
So her manager, Vanessa, or her PR person, Vanessa Williams, is walking down. She's like, beyonce got great news. Beyonce got double pneumonia, and you're gonna be taking her spot at the blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah.
Amber
Okay.
Amanda
That is just like, what world are we building up? I mean, it's almost like they wrote fan fiction and it happened because what world are we building up? That Hannah Montana is in the same conversations as Beyonce, but then they're right next to each other on the stand up to cancer. She's in between Beyonce and Rihanna.
Sequoia Holmes
I send it on as far, you know what I mean, yeah. And it goes back to my theory that Hannah and Taylor Swift are inextricably linked because Beyonce and Taylor Swift being in the same conversation often is like question mark, question mark, question mark. As I was watching the Hannah Montana movie for the first time and she brings up Beyonce, I'm like, in what world with this 13 year old, right? Or you know, miss 15 year old at the time. I don't know how she was at this point be taking Beyonce spot even in 2009.
Amber
Yeah, right.
Sequoia Holmes
During Sasha Fierce era. In what world?
Amanda
Like they're calling Rihanna.
Sequoia Holmes
You know what I mean? Like, like they're not.
Amber
If you said Rihanna in that same exact year. Taylor won the award over 2009.
Amanda
In 2009.
Sequoia Holmes
No, see something. Somebody took over the time. We timeline shifted. That's crazy. Something happened. They manifested Taylor Swift's.
Amanda
I mean, also you clocked her.
Sequoia Holmes
Taylor Swift's in the movie and she's in the movie.
Amanda
She wrote, you'll always find your way back home too. She wrote that song.
Sequoia Holmes
Which one is that?
Amber
You'll always find your way back home. You can change her hair and you can change your clothes.
Amanda
You can change.
Amber
But just the way it goes. You can say goodbye and you can say hello.
Amanda
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
Very cute song.
Amber
Yeah, it is a cute song. She's a good songwriter, that song. No, Taylor Swift can write songs.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah. Yeah, she's a good. She can write songs.
Amanda
Yeah, she can.
Sequoia Holmes
She does.
Amanda
She does.
Sequoia Holmes
And she does.
Amber
As we famously know.
Sequoia Holmes
Do you guys know which Hannah Montana album is the most popular?
Amber
Let me guess. Is it Hannah Montana album two? It's not three, is it?
Amanda
Yes. I'm gonna guess because I think that the popularity kept going up and people keep talking about like, he could be the one. Oh, is it the one where he could be the one is on.
Amber
It could be the one. One.
Sequoia Holmes
I don't know which one he could be.
Amanda
Is it three?
Amber
It's three.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay.
Amber
It better not be Hannah Montana forever.
Sequoia Holmes
It is Hannah Montana 2. Meet Miley Cyrus. Okay. Four times platinum. Four times platinum.
Amber
And it deserves this.
Sequoia Holmes
And it really. Cuz I listened to all of it today. I like went through was like, let me see. That first album was okay. You know, like I said, okay half of it.
Amanda
It was like building.
Amber
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
B5 is on that album.
Amber
Yeah. Oh, B5.
Sequoia Holmes
I didn't hear that.
Amber
That's so funny.
Sequoia Holmes
Maybe I wasn't paying that much attention.
Amanda
She has like six songs on the first one and then the other one movie. It's like B5 and like evermore and
Amber
Jesse McCartney, I think.
Sequoia Holmes
Oh, now, hold on, because I missed that because I. Ever more. Yeah, I liked those girls.
Amber
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amber
Were they.
Amanda
She's.
Amber
No you, or am I thinking of the Veronicas?
Sequoia Holmes
No, because they had the same song. She makes me breakfast in bed. You like the stories. I like. I could get used to this. The Veronicas had a version of that, and Evermore had a version of that song.
Amber
Interesting.
Sequoia Holmes
So they were. They were Same. Same. I think everyone was three girls, question mark. And the Veronica.
Amber
Yeah, I'm picturing three.
Sequoia Holmes
And they were a little bit more gospel, a little bit more churchy, a little bit more.
Amber
Really?
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah. I'm. I want to say they were a Christian band, but I'm not.
Amanda
I wouldn't. I wouldn't put it past it. So many of those, like, emo bands in the 2000s are Christian.
Amber
That's what Disney was about, too.
Sequoia Holmes
All of them. I feel like every time you look, you're like, oh, my God. They were.
Amanda
Who sings. Who's the one that sings? Sadie Hawkins Dance and my khaki fans. Whoever sings that. Reliant K. Reliant K. They were.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amanda
And this is a little bit later, but 21 pilots. Also Christian.
Sequoia Holmes
Really? Oh, I didn't know all of their songs about God.
Amber
Wow.
Amanda
That's might be an exaggeration, but all their songs.
Sequoia Holmes
Wow. Okay. Hey, if you can slip it in there, I'm not mad.
Amanda
You know, it's catchy.
Sequoia Holmes
If you can slip it in there, I'm not.
Amanda
You can make it sound emo. They sound emo.
Sequoia Holmes
They really certainly, certainly sound about it. Emo.
Amber
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
Speaking of Christian gospel songs, the climb.
Amber
Oh, and isn't it the gospel? It is a word that's gospel. I get chill.
Sequoia Holmes
I really do.
Amanda
And see, as soon as you said it, I close my eyes immediately. Immediately.
Sequoia Holmes
As one does.
Amanda
I. That is such a good karaoke song. And every. Every time I sing on karaoke, my eyes are closed. The whole time, same people are probably like, don't you need to read the lyrics? No, bitch.
Sequoia Holmes
No, I don't. Actually. I'm elevating right now.
Amanda
If I look at the lyrics, it'll throw me off.
Sequoia Holmes
Exactly.
Amanda
They're wrong.
Sequoia Holmes
I can feel them. I can feel the lyrics.
Amanda
I can feel it. I have to feel when she's gonna go. Like. I have to feel it in this. I'm like, literally, close your eyes. Feel where she's about to sit.
Sequoia Holmes
Absolutely.
Amber
Oh, my gosh. I lose myself. That is a gospel.
Sequoia Holmes
I do.
Amber
I open my eyes and I'm like, whoa.
Amanda
How you have to listen to. If you're down where. If you were impatient, you have. If you don't think your life is going nowhere.
Sequoia Holmes
I'm telling you all about Listen to the climb. If you're in a season.
Amber
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
Cuddle on the climb. Matter of fact, I'll send you my manifestation playlist, and that is on there.
Amber
Yeah.
Amanda
Even if you're going through a peak
Amber
is the manifest in your life.
Amanda
You have to remember. It's all about.
Sequoia Holmes
You have to remember.
Amanda
You have to.
Sequoia Holmes
It's about how you. It's about don't throw there.
Amanda
It's about the road there. It's about the road that you enjoy yourself.
Sequoia Holmes
Look around, Always have a good time.
Amber
Oh.
Amanda
Oh, my God.
Amber
That song is great. Life's a climb, but the view is
Sequoia Holmes
great at the end of the day.
Amber
And you'll get fresh air.
Sequoia Holmes
I have some fun factoids about Hannah Montana.
Amber
Okay.
Sequoia Holmes
Each episode title of Hannah Montana was inspired by a real live stream song. I did not know that.
Amber
Did y' all know that?
Sequoia Holmes
Okay.
Amanda
On the guide, you know when you're going through, like, I would always see the. The episode titles because they don't show them on the actual episode, which I'm
Sequoia Holmes
like, oh, yeah, right.
Amanda
This is you. So this is just an inside joke for the writers. That's what it's giving.
Sequoia Holmes
That is kind of what it is.
Amber
But here's what it is. The funniest inside joke I always think of is the Jake Ryan episode where they get together is Achy Drakey heart.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amanda
Achy breaky heart.
Amber
And when. When Hannah Montana first became a thing, our mom was like. And she's Billy Ray Cyrus's. And he had a famous song. Girls. You know that song, Achy Jakey, achy break your heart. And we were like, no. Because while we do know a lot of references, our parents know.
Sequoia Holmes
Yep.
Amber
Not playing it. They never played that.
Sequoia Holmes
They never played that. 100% same experience. Maybe you're.
Amanda
Maybe this might resonate, but, like, we know all the black people that our parents know, like, all the black famous people and the black people that like the music.
Sequoia Holmes
Yes.
Amanda
But anybody white from their generation that, like, everybody in their generation knows, they're not talking to us about that.
Amber
Unless it's the white woman who sings square biz. You know this is a white woman singing, right?
Amanda
And we're like,
Sequoia Holmes
Yes.
Amanda
And it's because Sierra. Because of Sierra. She said, you know, this is a c. Sierra's sampling square biz.
Sequoia Holmes
Did she.
Amanda
And I'm a five, two
Sequoia Holmes
When I'm not young When I believe I'm number one I'm talking to you, square, square squam biz. So.
Amanda
But. But that's like. I'm like, why would I know Billy Ray Cyrus? You've never mentioned him. Yeah.
Amber
You know that, man.
Amanda
You don't listen to it.
Sequoia Holmes
You never said Achy Breaky Heart a day. I don't know. If you played the first three chords, I would not know what song that is. Still, to this day, I don't think I've ever heard it.
Amanda
I don't think I break my heart
Sequoia Holmes
oh, my achy breaky heart I do know. I just don't think you understand.
Amanda
And that's all they do.
Amber
Play a snippet of it, I think,
Amanda
in the show Mother just so she just said she would just sing saying things. She would just break out into songs.
Sequoia Holmes
Like, I would never know who Dolly Parton was if it wasn't for Anna Montana. I. You know what I mean? Like, I think I would have a general reference that she exists because. But my mom never talked to me about Dolly.
Amanda
Now, we knew the Dolly Parton because of Tennessee.
Sequoia Holmes
Sure.
Amanda
Because our bridge is called the Dolly Parton Bridge because it goes like this. Because it's in the size, the shape of an M. Yes. But I want to shape of boobs.
Sequoia Holmes
Oh, so we play for Dolly.
Amanda
Dolly Parton.
Sequoia Holmes
Oh, okay.
Amanda
Flip it around.
Sequoia Holmes
Bring it down. Yeah, that makes sense. Boobs.
Amber
Amanda.
Sequoia Holmes
Boobs.
Amber
But I think. I think. Say. I think I found out who Dolly Parton was and all of that fact. Because she was on Hannah Montana. That's what the conversation. What starter was for our mom to tell us who Dolly Parton was.
Sequoia Holmes
Exactly. I already knew she was.
Amber
I don't think I knew.
Sequoia Holmes
I mean, you were a baby. You were seven. Yeah. You very much so.
Amber
I was like, why would you have
Amanda
a reference for Danny Just got here.
Sequoia Holmes
You literally just got here. You're a fetus. Trying to figure out why she was built.
Amanda
She was my first, like, most important, like, like on Hannah Montana. That was my most important cultural reference to Dolly Parton. But I knew she was. Because of. What's that song that she sings? Whatever.
Amber
When I will Whatever I will always love you.
Sequoia Holmes
I don't. That's.
Amber
Our mom is always like, Dolly Jolene.
Amanda
Because I remember someone was playing it at school, and I was like, this song's kind of sad.
Sequoia Holmes
No, it is sad.
Amanda
Upsetting.
Sequoia Holmes
Begging somebody, don't take your man is crazy.
Amber
That's not your man. Please let her have him painting A
Amanda
picture in my head, and I was like, this is sad, sad, sad.
Sequoia Holmes
And you would never expect Dolly look like that. You're so. She's such a bad bee. I'm trying not to curse anymore. She's such a bad. Be like, don't beg anybody not to take your man, baby.
Amanda
I. I have to skip it on.
Sequoia Holmes
On Beyonce's. I definitely feel you on that. Yeah.
Amanda
I'm like, I can't hear this.
Sequoia Holmes
I can't. I just can't. This is not in my spirit. This.
Amanda
Turn this off and go to lemonade.
Sequoia Holmes
And I promise you that's what I'm going to do every time. I promise you that's what I'm going to. Because Inch Hill.
Amber
Oh, yeah.
Amanda
I would rather that.
Sequoia Holmes
That's my favorite song on that.
Amanda
That's my favorite song on that. Nobody else.
Sequoia Holmes
I love 6 inch.
Amanda
So bad 6 inch.
Sequoia Holmes
Because we're supremacy at the end of the day, punk rock type girlies. And that one is a little grunge.
Amanda
It's a little.
Sequoia Holmes
A little textured in a way that other Beyonce music sometimes isn't, you know, so.
Amber
Absolutely.
Sequoia Holmes
I love success.
Amanda
It.
Amber
I love that.
Amanda
That's like my power song.
Sequoia Holmes
It is.
Amanda
If I'm, like, upset.
Sequoia Holmes
Sorry is good, too.
Amanda
I will turn.
Sequoia Holmes
I love lemonade. That's my favorite. Sorry.
Amanda
Incredible.
Sequoia Holmes
The whole. The whole of it.
Amber
I mean, it's Beyonce.
Sequoia Holmes
Some other fun factoids that I'm sure y' all know.
Amber
Okay.
Sequoia Holmes
Miley Cyrus and Emily Osmit did not get along the first two years of the show. In her autobiography, I didn't know Miley had an autobiography. Miley says they, quote, tried to be friends. We really did, but it always ended in a fight. They became friends in real life in season three, quote. I think somewhere in the course of trying to keep the peace and act like friends, it sort of became true. It felt natural. And once it was natural, well, things just were peaceful.
Amber
I can believe that. I feel like it's like once you take the pressure off, it's like, you know, we don't have to be that important.
Sequoia Holmes
Exactly.
Amanda
We also have to remember that the. The nature of Disney Channel was like, they were pitting all these girls each other, like, already, like, I'm pretty sure, like, Demi and Selena were already in the mix even then. And, like, they're Alice and Stone. They're all competing.
Sequoia Holmes
I was thinking about each other and,
Amanda
like, Miley's, like, at the time, way, way, way more famous than anybody on Disney Channel at the time. Like, way more famous.
Sequoia Holmes
Yes.
Amanda
Way more Famous than anyone other than the High School Musical kids.
Sequoia Holmes
Yes.
Amanda
And that's saying a lot. No, it is like, Zac Efron very much. Vanessa Hudgens. Like, she. She's the one who is in High School Musical, too. You know what I mean?
Amber
Matter of fact, yep.
Sequoia Holmes
Hannah Miley was so famous that she was making can't be Tamed in that era of her music, still under a Disney contract. Because it was really like a. To Disney. Because. Yeah, no, I can't be tamed.
Amber
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
I am gonna make this song. I am gonna be doing wild stuff on the floor. I am gonna hit the pole at the Teen Choice Awards, actually. And guess what? I'm gonna show up for work on Monday, and you're not gonna do anything about it, because I am your cash cow. I am your number one, and you know that I hold the cards here. I have the power. And she was running that mouth. She was running that mouse.
Amanda
She knew her power.
Amber
I feel like she knew how unique she was. She did. How as soon as she was like, you actually can't. You can only control me so far, she, like, started working the system from a young age. She was, like, doing what she wants. I'm gonna do what I want.
Amanda
And I. I, like, go back to the. The, like, dichotomy between, like, Miley and Taylor, like, no shade, because this is, like, literally what they presented to the public. But, like, girls like Miley and Demi were real.
Sequoia Holmes
Yes.
Amanda
They weren't, like, cookie cutter and they weren't clean. But the reason why, like, Selena Gomez is, like, the second most followed person on Instagram is because she did everything by the book. She had a very clean Persona. Same with Taylor Swift. There's just a reason why they have more mass appeal. Like, I'm not saying good or bad. I know what I vibe with.
Sequoia Holmes
I'm saying bad, personally. I know what I vibe with personally. I am saying bad. But, yeah, yeah, it doesn't vibe with me personally.
Amanda
It doesn't vibe with me because I don't feel like it's authentic. But there is a Persona that is more marketable to the masses, and that is Taylor Swift and Selena versus Miley and Demi. Like, if Miley had. Had. Had. Had done what Disney wanted for the rest of her life and, like, not been herself, I think that she would be, like, like, consistent.
Amber
She probably would have gotten a Grammy before Flowers.
Amanda
Yeah, she would have gotten a Grammy before Flowers.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah. Definitely could see that as well.
Amanda
But I ride for Miley. Like, I've listened to every single one
Amber
of her albums, I want to say. Oh, you know. No, go on.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amber
Well, I was gonna say Back to the 2000. The, the Can't Be Tamed in 2019 Choice Awards.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amber
She didn't do that much by today's standards.
Sequoia Holmes
Absolutely not. Nothing. I'm like, but by.
Amber
But by 2000, 2009 standards, like, the Christian has gone wild.
Sequoia Holmes
It was literally so crazy because. What is this? What is this Vanity Fair cover? Do you guys remember the 2008 Vanity Fair cover?
Amber
Yes, I remember that one.
Sequoia Holmes
It featured a 15 year old Miley Cyrus. She is, It's. She has like a. I can understand the upset covering. You know, she has no top on, but she has a blanket covering the top of her. She's kind of hunched over like this. To me, someone who grew up on America's Next Top Model, we'll get back to that. This looks like an America's Next Top Model shoe. You know, like, I'm like, this doesn't give raunchy sexual in any capacity. She's doing the hunch that Tyra is always like, that's fashion. Yeah. Tyra's like, this is sex.
Amber
Yeah, this is fashion.
Sequoia Holmes
You turn it in. Miley's doing the turn in thing. I said, she's not selling sex. Are you guys dumb? I'm literally, you know, at the time, I'm 13. I'm like, that's obviously not sex. Do you. Have you ever watched America's Next Model? Do you know what? Selling sex. Right?
Amber
Like, she's just modeling you very much.
Sequoia Holmes
You don't.
Amanda
Oh, my God.
Sequoia Holmes
But New York Post responded to that cover, ran a front page story with a headline, Miley's shame. Here's wholesome Hannah Montana as you never expected to see her. Disgusting. You're all talking about a 15 year old.
Amber
That's too much. Like, I can understand the upset from where we were in the Bible battle of like, you know, she's not wearing enough clothes on the COVID I can understand it. But I also know that it's coming from like, you guys shouldn't even be sexualizing this child at all like that at all. She's really not. She's fully covered. It could have been, it's. Yeah, it could have been the same as like even like a dance studio photo shoot with the scarves all over or something. I don't know.
Sequoia Holmes
She's so pale in this image that she looks like she's promoting Twilight.
Amber
Yeah. She's the as white as the sheep.
Sequoia Holmes
Like, she is as white as the sheep. And it very Much gives an artistic. Like. It doesn't give that. It does not give raunchy at all.
Amber
Like a centerfold.
Amanda
I'm pretty sure she dyed her hair black. She had just dyed her hair black because she broke it with Nick Jonas and he loved her brown hair, and she wanted to not look like what he liked. And so she was even actually trying to not be attractive.
Sequoia Holmes
You know what I mean? I not be 100%. Yeah. She's like, not. That's not the vibe that I'm in right now.
Amanda
It was Twilight era.
Sequoia Holmes
I mean, it literally was the 2008.
Amber
They villainized her in a way that didn't need to be. And I remember being, like, at school after the teen choice words, and all the other kids were like, why was she pole dancing? And I'm like, she didn't.
Sequoia Holmes
Just how she stood on the pole for three seconds, she held it far
Amber
away from her body and then went down with the microphone and then came back up.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amber
I'm like, y' all haven't even seen pole dancing.
Sequoia Holmes
What are we talking about?
Amber
That wasn't said.
Sequoia Holmes
I'll show you. Paul dancer right now.
Amber
Ridiculous. I've always been like, y' all are doing too much. But then when the marijuana came in. And this is me. Me.
Sequoia Holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Amber
I was like. I was like, oh, no drugs. But that was before I came out to California and started smoking marijuana.
Sequoia Holmes
You know what I mean?
Amber
It's not a big deal.
Sequoia Holmes
And I had. I'm from la.
Amber
Right. So you're.
Sequoia Holmes
The wee thing came out. I said, okay. Right. And what about it? Yeah. I'm like, I wasn't even a Miley Stan at all. But I was like, y' all are dragging it like you're doing too much.
Amanda
Sincerely, I was like, more disturbed by the fact that. That she would be hanging around with someone who would leak that video.
Amber
That was the conversation.
Amanda
Yes.
Amber
That we were having in our houses. We were like, who is she around? And also, we thought it was kind of strange.
Amanda
She gets too high in it. She takes the. She rips the bong, and then she gets way too high.
Amber
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
Have you guys ever. I don't know if you want to answer this. Feel free not to. Have you ever ripped a bong before?
Amber
Several times.
Sequoia Holmes
You guys. Yeah. That's some of the highest I've ever been in my life.
Amber
You can't really control how the puff of smoke coming into your Amber.
Amanda
Amber's an expert smoker. I don't smoke. I literally don't smoke. It hurts. My. My, my Throat. And my friends are like, smoke the bong.
Amber
Like, it'll be.
Amanda
It won't hurt as much. And that's. That's true.
Sequoia Holmes
It doesn't hurt as much.
Amber
It doesn't hurt as much.
Amanda
It didn't hurt.
Amber
Not for someone who doesn't smoke at all.
Amanda
No. But it didn't hurt me.
Sequoia Holmes
Like.
Amanda
Yeah, it felt like, clear. It felt like clear. It felt like cold and cold.
Sequoia Holmes
Yes. Bubbly and stuff. Okay.
Amanda
But then two seconds later. Oh, I'm looking.
Sequoia Holmes
Coughing, and the eyes are crazy.
Amanda
And we're watching Sweeney Todd.
Sequoia Holmes
Of all things to watch after you just ripped a bong.
Amanda
That's not the Demon Barber. It was my idea. I was like, it's one of my favorite movies, and neither of my friends have seen it. And then they're like, let's all do the bong.
Sequoia Holmes
You are tripping.
Amanda
All three of us were tripping.
Sequoia Holmes
All three of us were like that.
Amanda
We are in. We're in Fleet Street 100. You know what I'm talking about.
Sequoia Holmes
Absolutely.
Amber
Yeah. Especially the opening credits when it's like, literally, like.
Sequoia Holmes
I literally can't imagine.
Amanda
No, but I have not ripped a ball. That was, like, my only time I've ever. No, but I can't imagine someone taking video of me.
Amber
She shouldn't have been surrounded by people who would leak that.
Sequoia Holmes
She didn't have any news leak, did she?
Amanda
She had nudes leaked, like, early.
Sequoia Holmes
Like, earlier.
Amanda
Like 2008, 2007.
Amber
Oh, are you thinking of Vanessa Hutchins?
Amanda
It wasn't news. It was like, underwear.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay.
Amber
Regardless.
Amanda
And I was at the time where I didn't know I was gay, so I was like, I'm just going to check to see that they're not real.
Sequoia Holmes
I'm just trying to.
Amanda
I'm just gonna check.
Amber
I just heard something.
Sequoia Holmes
I'm just trying to verify. Just trying to verify the source and
Amanda
just trying to verify so I can defend her.
Sequoia Holmes
You know what I mean?
Amanda
Appropriately at school.
Amber
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
Defend her or shame her appropriately or whatever I need to do. Right, Right. I just need to see, you know,
Amanda
And I was always defending. Even if in. Internally, I was like, that's wrong.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amanda
That's against Jesus. I was always trying to, like, defend her because I was like, well, she's God. So.
Amber
So, yeah, it was more of a. Like, not enough to go.
Sequoia Holmes
Not evangelized.
Amanda
Evangelize.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amanda
I've since have a more healthy relationship with my objects of fandom.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay.
Amber
Of course.
Sequoia Holmes
All right.
Amber
Of course.
Amanda
Nobody's God.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay.
Amanda
You leave the church you can't replace God with Miley Cyrus.
Amber
Nobody's God. Nobody's your own.
Sequoia Holmes
Not ideally.
Amber
Cannot have full control over any situation. Come as they go.
Amanda
No one's word is God.
Amber
No one's word is. And it might just have a crazy white man behind it controlling everything.
Sequoia Holmes
Yikes.
Amber
You know, probably so. You don't even know if you can trust what.
Sequoia Holmes
And that's most of that. Honestly, that's. That's most of them. We're being honest, you guys. I have a fun little game I like to play. We have two fun little games, actually. But the first one little game is called Celebrity Cameos.
Amanda
Okay.
Sequoia Holmes
As Hannah Montana, faithful watchers, and Stans, I am going to read the long line of an episode. I'll tell you the title of the episode, the season and episode number, as well as the logline.
Amber
Okay.
Sequoia Holmes
And you tell me who guest stars.
Amber
Okay.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay. And that I do have multiple choice options in case you need it.
Amber
Okay.
Sequoia Holmes
But we'll start.
Amber
We'll see how we do this. Okay. I kind of feel a little confident, but I don't want to be too confident.
Sequoia Holmes
Season 2, episode 7, the title is My Best Best Friend's Boyfriend. Okay. Okay, here's the log line. Miley's best friend, Lily, has a new boyfriend, Lucas. And Miley starts to feel like she's losing her best friend to their relationship. Lily tries to make amends by setting Miley up on a double date with Luke. Oh, it is Lucas. I thought it was Luca, Lucas's cousin. But it's a bad match. When Miley discovers that Lucas is cheating on Lily, Miley needs proof. She arranges for her, and Lily dresses their famous alter egos, Hannah and Lola, to run into Lucas at a restaurant, hoping to catch him in the act.
Amber
Yep, I know who it is.
Sequoia Holmes
There are two guest stars.
Amber
Okay.
Sequoia Holmes
In this episode. Okay. Do you want to. Do you want to try to give me one?
Amber
It's Sterling Knight.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay.
Amber
Okay.
Sequoia Holmes
All right.
Amber
Who plays Lucas?
Amanda
Okay. And. And then I was gonna say Austin Butler.
Sequoia Holmes
All right, you're. It is Austin Butler. It is Austin Butler, but I see how you get there, because Sterling Knight is right there.
Amber
He's in it too.
Sequoia Holmes
No, he's not. It's not. You want to know who the other guest star is, though?
Amber
Give me a hint.
Amanda
Well, I think he is in that episode, but he's not the one that we're talking.
Amber
Okay.
Sequoia Holmes
Oh, he wasn't a celebrity at the time. He was in Hannah Montana to a degree, wasn't he?
Amanda
He was in Sunny With a chance.
Amber
But it was before. This was before Sunny with a Chance, right?
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amber
And Starstruck.
Amanda
Aston Butler.
Sequoia Holmes
I'm right. Yeah, you're right.
Amber
Okay.
Sequoia Holmes
It was. He plays the cousin who Miley hates because he's. He gets scared by the movie and they're watching.
Amanda
Yes. Okay.
Sequoia Holmes
And then the other person is someone who plays themselves. They're older. They're waiting for a table.
Amber
Larry David.
Amanda
Yes.
Amber
Okay.
Sequoia Holmes
And Larry David.
Amber
Yes.
Sequoia Holmes
There's the other guest star in that episode.
Amber
That's that episode.
Sequoia Holmes
That's that episode.
Amanda
David and Austin Butler on the same episode.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah. Isn't that funny?
Amanda
I think of those, like, moments separately.
Amber
Separately all the time.
Amanda
But I was. As soon as you pick. You said double date. I was like Austin Butler.
Sequoia Holmes
Yep. You knew.
Amber
My God. As soon as you said Lucas, I was like Sterling Knight.
Sequoia Holmes
So he must have played Lucas. So. Okay, okay, okay. So you're right. So you both were right, actually. Okay, so we'll give you.
Amanda
I think, like, Sterling Knight is a celebrity on Disney, right?
Sequoia Holmes
He was not a celebrity at the time. He did.
Amber
He was in one of the. Disney.
Sequoia Holmes
Star Trek.
Amber
Yep.
Sequoia Holmes
Starstruck. I remember. Yep.
Amanda
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
Love Starstruck. That was actually an underrated dcom for me.
Amanda
Enemies to.
Amber
Oh, it's a really good fan.
Amanda
Side note, the enemies to lovers thing that happened with Sterling Knight and Demi Lotto on Sunday With a Chance. My. One of my favorite same.
Sequoia Holmes
You know what? I actually really didn't like Sunny with a Chance.
Amanda
I didn't really like it.
Sequoia Holmes
And I love Demi. Demi. I was a demi girl between the three of them. I was a demi girl. And I did not.
Amanda
I didn't like the show. I did like that relationship.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay. I don't know.
Amber
Exactly. Sunny with a Chance was a little more like. It seemed like Nick toony coated. And I think it was because I get that.
Sequoia Holmes
Whoa. It did feel Nick Tunes.
Amanda
It was slapstick. I mean, it was like as if they were all that.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amber
So.
Sequoia Holmes
But like, not even so random. Yeah, it's too random. Oh. Was their answer for. And all that. Yeah. They tried. They did what they could.
Amber
They did it.
Sequoia Holmes
Y' all ready for the next one?
Amber
Yes.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay. For this one, there are three.
Amanda
Three.
Amber
Okay. Okay.
Sequoia Holmes
Season 2 Episode 29 we're all on this Date Together. Oh, okay. Hannah Montana participates in a celebrity charity date auction and ends up being the object of a bidding war between her school adversary, Rico and her middle school crush, Johnny. In order to raise the most money, the auctioneer decides she'll go on a charity date with Both of them. Who is in this episode? Let me know if you need multiple choice options.
Amber
Should we say the first one together?
Sequoia Holmes
Corbin Blue, period.
Amber
Johnny.
Sequoia Holmes
Yep. He plays Johnny.
Amanda
Oh, my God.
Sequoia Holmes
Now the other two are older.
Amanda
Okay, wait, is there multiple choice?
Sequoia Holmes
Yes. Do you want some multiple choice before
Amber
you say it is Rob Reiner in this episode?
Sequoia Holmes
No.
Amber
Okay, yes.
Sequoia Holmes
Give us the Rob Reiner. It is somebody with an alliterative name.
Amber
Oh.
Sequoia Holmes
And it is rr.
Amber
Oh.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay. You know what? You might not recognize. You might not recognize this person, but I feel like you probably do.
Amber
Okay.
Sequoia Holmes
He's from. Do you want me to tell you what show he's from? Yes. Everybody Loves Raymond.
Amanda
Raymond.
Sequoia Holmes
Yes. Ray Romano is in this episode. He plays the first celebrity up for the auction, but no one knows or cares who he is.
Amanda
Is it. Is the other one? No.
Sequoia Holmes
It is so funny.
Amanda
It looked like Joey.
Amber
No, no, that's a different. That's a baseball one.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay, you ready?
Amanda
It's the multiple choice.
Amber
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
The auctioneer.
Amber
The auctioneer.
Sequoia Holmes
The auctioneer is somebody.
Amanda
I don't like this episode, first off.
Amber
I know.
Amanda
It stresses me out.
Amber
It is really stressful, okay. Because Johnny's. And like, Hannah, why are you a monster? Because Rico's annoying her the entire time.
Sequoia Holmes
It's.
Amber
It's too much.
Amanda
The auctioneer.
Sequoia Holmes
We talked. We talked about him earlier briefly. He was mentioned briefly in this episode by one of you. It wasn't by me.
Amanda
He was mentioned.
Sequoia Holmes
Yep. Just.
Amanda
And just briefly as being on Hannah Montana.
Sequoia Holmes
Not sure what the context was. I can't remember.
Amanda
Oh, Donny Osmond.
Sequoia Holmes
Yes. Donny Osmond was the auctioneer.
Amanda
Yes.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah, Donny Osmond was on that. We ain't even had to do no multiple choice yet.
Amanda
They did.
Sequoia Holmes
Y' all really eating. The next two are going to be easier because there's just one. Okay. Cameo.
Amber
Okay.
Sequoia Holmes
Season four, episode seven, Killing Me Softly. With his height, Miley starts dating someone shorter than her to prove that the height difference doesn't bother her. Lie. Meanwhile, Miley's brother Jackson enters into a weird indentured servitude thing with their neighbor, Mr. Don Sig, because he needs a letter of recommendation to get into college. Okay, there is a celebrity guest in this who plays Mr. Don Sig's cousin.
Amber
Oh, is it? No.
Amanda
Y', all.
Sequoia Holmes
This person is in the cultural zeitgeist heavy right at this second. She is much older and she is heavy in the culture. Do you guys reality TV at all is.
Amber
Oh, oh, oh. It's Lisa Rinna.
Sequoia Holmes
It's Lisa Rinna.
Amber
Yes, yes.
Amanda
Girl, I didn't know anything about out reality tv.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay.
Amber
Lisa Rinna pops up so randomly.
Amanda
Yes.
Amber
She's also in an episode of Big Time Rush.
Sequoia Holmes
Yes.
Amber
As James's mom.
Sequoia Holmes
Lisa Rinna has been acting since like 1992.
Amber
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
Like she has what I recently learned she's a housewife. For those of you who don't know, she was also on this most recent season of Traitor. She was a traitor with Rob Rouse.
Amanda
So she's been. So she's been an actor before? Being a house.
Sequoia Holmes
Yes, she was. She's been an actor. I can't remember her husband's name, but
Amber
I saw a picture of him and I was like, oh, I've seen.
Amanda
Seen him in. Yes.
Amber
I don't know his name.
Sequoia Holmes
Yes. I can't remember his name. But she uses his first and last name. Like she always references him by first and last name.
Amber
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay. I don't know. I don't Housewife. So I don't know the lore, but
Amber
really happy you're happy with it though.
Sequoia Holmes
If you like it. I love it, mama. Wow.
Amanda
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
So Lisa Rena is in an episode last one, season four, episode nine, I'll always remember you. In this Hannah Montana finale, the threads of Miley's double life come undone when her boyfriend slguitarist finds out his girlfriend Miley Stewart is the same person as Hannah Montana. Colleges are also quick to pass up Miley as an applicant, claiming she, quote, doesn't have enough extracurriculars. Absurd. Miley decides it's finally time to retire the wig and step into the world as herself.
Amanda
They basically said she's a loser.
Sequoia Holmes
Pretty much. Again with the again. Dark hair is not good.
Amanda
What you been doing?
Sequoia Holmes
If you were blonde, we would have let you in the comments knowledge, but.
Amanda
Right.
Sequoia Holmes
Because you a brunette, you're not getting it.
Amanda
Exactly. Okay, Amber, on three. One, two, three.
Amber
Jay Leno.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay, it might be. That's not who I got on here
Amber
because he's the show. She goes on his show.
Sequoia Holmes
So this person appears as a stress dream hallucination on Miley's drive home across the country from dropping Lily off at college. Oh.
Amanda
Oh, Amber, you just watched the this episode.
Amber
I did. And now I can't think. Is it a man?
Sequoia Holmes
It is a man. He's old. He has a daytime talk show. A daytime had or has a daytime talk show?
Amber
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
I don't. I don't have Jaylen O listed here. Okay.
Amanda
She goes on Jay Leno. Okay. The wig off.
Sequoia Holmes
All right.
Amber
It is do Dr. I remember him Being. I can see him in talking to Miley Stewart. I just don't remember that episode like that scene now. But I thought it was weird when he was on it.
Amanda
I don't like Dr. Phil.
Sequoia Holmes
No, we don't like Dr. We don't. We don't like Jay Leno.
Amanda
I'm sorry.
Amber
We don't like.
Sequoia Holmes
I don't know what Jay has done,
Amber
but he's just kind of annoying.
Sequoia Holmes
I know that Dr. Field and did some stuff.
Amber
Yeah. Did some stuff.
Sequoia Holmes
Most prevalently, aside from being Trumpy, is unleash bad baby on us. Oh, your fault, Dr. Phil. And you.
Amber
Crazy work.
Amanda
Crazy work.
Sequoia Holmes
You will forever be indebted.
Amber
What a platform to have given to someone.
Sequoia Holmes
What you've done to the world.
Amber
That's.
Sequoia Holmes
That's. That's evil stuff. You're ready for one more game? Yes. Okay.
Amanda
I usually don't like games.
Sequoia Holmes
Really? Oh, my God. You're not a game girl. I'm not a game.
Amber
Whoa. I love games.
Sequoia Holmes
I love a game. So bad. Gemini, actually. Okay.
Amanda
Not Gemini's double life. Secret life.
Amber
Oh, well, look at that.
Sequoia Holmes
Best of both worlds.
Amber
At the end of the day, you get the limo. Wild front. Yes.
Sequoia Holmes
So we're gonna play the game Hannah or Miley. I'm gonna read you a lyric and you tell me. Oh, is it Hannah? Yes.
Amber
Yes.
Sequoia Holmes
Not the sitting up. Getting ready in the chair. This one. We'll start off easy. We'll get harder as. As things go.
Amber
Okay.
Sequoia Holmes
I kind of want to play along because I don't. I don't have the. I do have the answers now. Now I just looked at the answers. Now I know too much. Okay. You go to movie premieres. Is that Orlando Bloom? You hear your song on the radio. Oh, whoa. Living two lives is a little weird. Yes. But school's cool because nobody knows.
Announcer
Yeah.
Amanda
So that's best of both worlds.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay.
Amanda
Hannah Montana.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay. All right.
Amber
I'm laughing at you not singing.
Sequoia Holmes
I'm trying not to sing now. Like, I'm actively fighting it. I'm actually trying not to sing them. Okay, I'm gonna get a little bit harder. A little quicker here. I know just what you came here for, and I want to hear you scream and more. Get on your feet. You know you can't resist. Yeah, let's do this.
Amber
It's Hannah.
Amanda
It's.
Amber
Let's do this.
Sequoia Holmes
Damn it. Why did I say that last part? That's why. I should have left that out.
Amanda
No, I was that. I'm. I'm sitting on my hands, trying not
Amber
to interrupt When I was. When let's do this came out on Disney Channel, I was like, this will be the song of season three that I like. It was like one of the.
Sequoia Holmes
I like that one too. Yeah. Let's do this as a good one.
Amanda
Yeah, I like that one.
Sequoia Holmes
There's no holding back Hanging right on track because you control the game so let them know your name no limitations or imaginations Imagination. Who said it?
Amanda
Isn't that Hannah? It's. It's.
Amber
There's no holding. Just like you. No, it's not.
Amanda
That's Hannah.
Sequoia Holmes
It's Hannah. All right.
Amber
Everything I've always wanted Living a dream yeah Just like you It's Hannah.
Sequoia Holmes
That is Hannah. Ding. Yeah. Every week's the same Stuck in school, so lame. My parents say that I'm lazy getting up at 8am Crazy.
Amanda
Who gets up at 8am I'm sorry. If you're going to school, you're getting tired.
Amber
You're getting.
Sequoia Holmes
You get up at 8, you're going. You're getting to school at 10.
Amanda
Whoever wrote this song, whatever man, wrote the song and gave it to her
Sequoia Holmes
didn't understand and probably had kids.
Amanda
Yeah.
Amber
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
Let's keep it in mind.
Amber
Also probably getting out of bed didn't
Sequoia Holmes
give a damn what time his kids.
Amanda
Right? Well, that's breakout.
Amber
Yeah.
Amanda
Break out by Miley.
Sequoia Holmes
All right. All right, y'.
Amanda
All.
Sequoia Holmes
Okay.
Amber
We both did music videos, so that's why I played.
Sequoia Holmes
You did separate music videos? Yeah. Why?
Amber
I did one with a friend.
Amanda
We weren't getting along.
Amber
We weren't friends at that age.
Amanda
We. We were. We came like this to each other with. With the content, but then with our friends was like, in the playroom, we
Amber
were glued to the same thing on the television screen. But we were also, like, we just going to talk about it with our friends and be the fangirls of that friend.
Amanda
That's why I say my secret life, like, my secret identity was my fangirl life with Amber. Like, at school, it's like, yes, sure, I'm talking about it. Whatever, Whatever. But my secret life is like, I'm going to concerts with Amber. I'm going to Jonas Brothers.
Amber
And in the summertime, it was like, we are going to Comic Con together. And then it's like our own little world. And then we would go back to school, and no one really kind of gets why we're kind of hysterical over a certain topic. And that's fine because we had each
Amanda
other's channel games and no one's at school's talking bad. That's fine.
Sequoia Holmes
Right.
Amanda
It's the summer, but it's the biggest deal that happened to me this summer.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amber
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
You know, I get that.
Amber
And then later in life, we were like, we should just fan girl together.
Amanda
Wow.
Sequoia Holmes
So what was the age? What was the. What was the ages when.
Amanda
When the distance began and when I turned 16 and got my license.
Sequoia Holmes
Of course. Of course.
Amber
It was driving us to school.
Sequoia Holmes
100. When you got. When you all came back together. Yeah. Oh, okay.
Amanda
So we were driving to school because we had to agree on the music. And then, like, I had to agree to listen to One Direction because that was Amber's hyper fixation.
Sequoia Holmes
Whoa.
Amanda
And then we just sort of like, we use cultural exchange.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah, sure.
Amanda
And then, like, we listen One Direction, then we would listen to the Captain America Winter Soldier score. Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
Wow.
Amber
Yep.
Amanda
That's when we.
Sequoia Holmes
So there is something to, like being too close in age, y' all think?
Amber
Yeah, well, yeah.
Amanda
Because, I mean, we were fighting so much.
Amber
It was like, really?
Sequoia Holmes
I never guess this from y'. All.
Amber
Because if you are trying to live your life.
Amanda
Yeah. We. We still fight to fight.
Sequoia Holmes
Right.
Amber
Before. We did.
Sequoia Holmes
We did.
Amber
But, like, when you're trying to figure out your own adolescence, if someone is right there next to you for sure. Whether, like, I mean, I'm like, why are you acting like you're so much older? And Amanda's like, you don't get what I'm saying yet.
Sequoia Holmes
Because theoretically, you were like 2 years 16 and 14 or a 10 and 12 or 12 and 14 there. It's a big difference.
Amanda
No, I don't want to play dolls with you.
Sequoia Holmes
It's like, oh, you're so annoying. Why don't you want to play dolls? You think you're better than me? You think you're grown, right?
Amber
It was like an over overnight thing because we were so close, and Amanda was like, nat, the lens has left. And I'm like, but I'm still here. Where did you go?
Sequoia Holmes
Right?
Amber
And then vice versa.
Amanda
But now we still. We get into fights because we're sisters, but, like, we have better conflict resolution. Sure.
Sequoia Holmes
I know that was hard for an Aries to learn.
Amanda
And I'm an Aries Mars, too.
Amber
And I'm a Gemini and, you know.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amanda
And a Gemini Mars.
Sequoia Holmes
She's also a Gemini and you're a Gemini Mars. Oh, my God.
Amanda
Yeah, it's like, oh, my God.
Sequoia Holmes
Y' all are so scary.
Amber
Like, it's literally like Zuko and Aang season one.
Sequoia Holmes
Oh, my goodness. I don't know that reference. It's Avatar. I do know it's Avatar. Yeah. Thank you very much.
Amber
It's just air and fire.
Sequoia Holmes
I knew that much.
Amanda
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
It's just like wind chaos, throwing the flames everywhere. Keep it chaotic.
Amber
Yes.
Sequoia Holmes
Terrified wind throwing the flames everywhere is exactly what it is. That's what it is. As an only child, I'm. I'm like, so in awe of especially sister dynamics. And so I'm like, oh, my God. Having a sister just seems like it must be peachy like this all.
Amanda
If you're really close, that also means that you're fighting all the time. Like, if you're not fighting, honestly, that means that you're not that close.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amber
Yeah. I mean, because I feel like they say that about, like, marriages. They're like, you guys have to be communicating. You can't be on the same page all the time. If you are, one of you is not communicating.
Sequoia Holmes
And that takes us back to Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey, because you remember in that interview recently?
Amber
Recently, know what happened?
Sequoia Holmes
Taylor or Travis, I don't remember which one of them said it said that they don't fight. They're like, yeah, we don't fight. I'm like, tell us that you're a PR relationship without telling us you're a PR relationship. Why would you say that out loud?
Amber
That's not a flex. One of you is not on the same. One of you or both of you are not on the same page.
Sequoia Holmes
Hello. And I've been telling y', all, he likes yes, black women. Yes.
Amanda
My favorite tick tock sound for sisters is, no, I didn't ding back.
Amber
Listen.
Amanda
And it's like always, like, when your friends make the mistake of going out to drinks with you, with you and your sister.
Sequoia Holmes
Oh, my God. I saw something like that. Comfortable. I just saw a tik tok. That was like, when my friends from school see me act up with my sister at home by accident.
Amber
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
I have to, like, calm everything down and act normal again.
Amanda
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
It's like. I'm like, no. Yeah, that wasn't crazy.
Amanda
Yeah, it wasn't crazy.
Sequoia Holmes
No, I wasn't doing anything crazy. That's not who I am. That's really not who I am. Okay, I just choked her a little bit. I didn't choke her crate.
Amber
You know what I mean?
Sequoia Holmes
Anything that crazy.
Amber
We were. We were babies together.
Sequoia Holmes
So, like, get your finger out of my face.
Amber
Right.
Amanda
Like, it literally is like that.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah, that's. That's funny.
Amber
The chemistry. I simply will act most primal around the people who are in my house.
Sequoia Holmes
Very much that you Know my, my innermost self at the end.
Amber
You've seen me at my worst and my best.
Sequoia Holmes
I don't really have anything else for Hannah Montana. Is there anything that I did not cover that y' all would like to give a moment to?
Amber
Hannah Montana?
Amanda
I just want to take a moment to say that this 20 years is for us. You know, we'll have the 20 year anniversary. That's the official one on Disney. And I feel like that's for Miley to, like, look back and, you know, get out whatever she wants to get off her chest. But equally, I feel like it's about the fans too, because unlike some of the other things on Disney Channel, we did get the chance to gather as a fandom at concerts, like at listening parties. Like, music does, like, bring us together in a way. And so I hope that we can all use this 20th anniversary to, like, reflect and like, this. Things like this. And like, we're gonna have our Hannah Montana episode come out on the anniversary too. So hopefully, you know, it's cathartic.
Amber
Yeah. I will say, I think, yes, it's for us. And what Miley's doing is for Miley, because Hannah means obviously something huge to her. And I feel like I'm just appreciative that they're even acknowledging at all that there's something happening. Because there were the dark years where Miley went on SNL and was like, hannah's dead and that's her prerogative because, you know, she was feeling that.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amber
But I can't say that while I respected it, I understood it because she didn't want to be connected to it. I was also kind of sad. I was like, well, don't say that.
Sequoia Holmes
Right? Say something else. Don't say that.
Amber
That's my childhood. And so I am glad that whatever happens, we're seeing her have a good time with it. Because I think we did grow up with a generation that were learning a lot of the stars that were the object of our fandoms when we were younger were not treated very well and did not get their accolades and were not being paid well, maybe even and just didn't have great experiences. We've got books, we've got audiobooks, and we've got a bunch of different interviews and podcasts about it. And so I think it'll be nice for us all to be like, here's how Miley feels comfortable and empowered interacting with it.
Sequoia Holmes
Yep.
Amber
And we will receive it and also celebrate it ourselves however we need, period.
Amanda
I'll be sitting around the tv, watching it. I will be listening to Hannah Montana.
Amber
I will blasting the CD all month.
Sequoia Holmes
And just as a reminder, black girls did in fact Hannah Montana. I remember who I'm dressed as is now. You remember the black girl who won the Hannah Montana look alike contest?
Amanda
Yes.
Sequoia Holmes
And all the white girls were so mad.
Amber
Come on.
Sequoia Holmes
That's who I'm dressed as. Yes. And I hope that she was invited to the reunion. I'm sure she wasn't. And we'll see what the crowd looks like.
Amber
Yeah, I was in.
Amanda
I wasn't in a look alike, but I did do like one of those Hannah Montana singing competitions.
Amber
And she blew those white girls out the water.
Amanda
And I didn't win.
Amber
But she did blue. Now she did nobody. And she blew those white girls out the water. One of them did the other side. No. Make some noise. Which I love the song, but it was slow. It was not a captivating performance.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amber
And then the other girl did lice. What you make it. But it was more like toddlers and tiaras esque.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amber
This is me judging as like a 9 year old when Amanda did it when she was 11.
Sequoia Holmes
Yep.
Amber
And I was like, Amanda should have won.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah, I believe that. I definitely know. I know that's true.
Amber
Hannah Montana is for us.
Amanda
It's for us.
Amber
It's for us.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah, like this. Okay, well, that's it for the show today. Amber, Amanda, please tell the folks about your show where they can find you any exciting projects that you have coming up.
Amber
Yes. So what we got?
Amanda
I'm Amanda.
Amber
I'm Amber.
Amanda
We are fangirl central, where being a
Amber
fan girl is central to our identity.
Amanda
We have a new show called Destination Fangirls. The first episode was with Lucas Graybiel for the High School Musical 20th anniversary. And you can find that on our YouTube at Fangirl Central. And the next episode is coming out in a week on the 20th anniversary of Hannah Montana. And it's all about Hannah Montana. And so, yeah, we're taking a look back at the fandoms that mean the most to us. And as fangirls who might not be represented in the media that we love. Black, queer, femme, marginalized. So if that sounds like fun to y', all, come on over and hang out with us. We're fangirl central everywhere.
Sequoia Holmes
Yes.
Amber
Yes.
Sequoia Holmes
That sounds fun to me. We'll be checking it out. Yeah, y' all have been killing it. The Lucas Graveya clips smacked y' all dancing in front of that man. So funny.
Amanda
I blacked out. I'm so glad it's on video. Because I would not have earned.
Sequoia Holmes
Remember, you were. Y' all were killing it, too.
Amber
I'm like, we have to show you that we know these dances. Please don't.
Amanda
We were like, captioning.
Sequoia Holmes
He felt so into it, too. Like, he was, like an active participant. He was happy to be there.
Amanda
He was being Kenny Ortega.
Sequoia Holmes
He was.
Amber
He was being the Kenny or he
Sequoia Holmes
was giving y' all notes and how you can, like, do it like this and stuff. I was. I was living. I was living for the clips.
Amanda
So crazy. And he's got. His voice is just as good in person.
Amber
Yeah. Like, still really, like a theater adult. He a theater kid. He's an adult.
Sequoia Holmes
Wow.
Amanda
He was saying it.
Sequoia Holmes
Wow. And he did confirm that Ryan was gay.
Amanda
Yeah.
Sequoia Holmes
On your show.
Amber
Ryan.
Amanda
Exactly.
Sequoia Holmes
Ryan from High School Musical. Gravel played Ryan. And he did confirm that he was, in fact.
Amber
Surely is.
Amanda
Sure.
Sequoia Holmes
Yeah.
Amber
Surely is.
Sequoia Holmes
As we knew. That's it for this episode. If you want to check us out on YouTube, you can go to Black People Love Paramore. Type in the search bar. You know how to find it. We are everywhere else. You can look, listen to podcasts, Spotify, all that. You can always comment. The Spotify comments lately have been going off. I love talking to y' all in the Spotify comments. It's very fun. You can listen to us everywhere. But you can also watch video on YouTube and Spotify and soon you can watch it on Apple podcast as well, because they're rolling out an integration where you can do that. So I'll see you soon. You'll see me soon. You can call me Hannah Montana going forward or Hannah See Montana or the black girl who won the Hannah Montana lookalike contest because she very much did look like Hannah Montana. And that's it. You can find us across social media platforms at BPLP Pod and I'll see you next time. Bye.
Host: Sequoia Holmes
Guests: Amber & Amanda
Release Date: March 19, 2026
This episode celebrates the 20th anniversary of Hannah Montana with deep fandom, sharp critique, and abundant nostalgia. Host Sequoia Holmes (donned in a Hannah wig and fit) and Disney Channel experts Amber and Amanda discuss why Hannah Montana resonates with Black audiences, dissect the show’s cultural impact, and fondly reminisce about their favorite songs, episodes, and moments. The conversation is rich and humorous, weaving in musical breakdowns, academic analysis, sisterly dynamics, and interactive games—all underscored by a love for Black scene kids and underappreciated pop culture niches.
[07:02] Amanda: Discusses the show's “double consciousness” as paralleling W.E.B. Du Bois' concept—“it's like that mask you present to the world and your secret identity, who you know yourself to be... you don't have to compartmentalize different parts of your identity... you can be whole.”
This episode is a rollicking, insightful, and deeply affectionate exploration of Hannah Montana’s legacy from a Black and Southern perspective—perfect for anyone who wants more out of pop nostalgia than just a glittery memory. The show’s message rings out: Hannah Montana might have been for everyone, but Black girls made it their own, and that’s what made it magical.
“Hannah Montana is for us.” – Amber [76:55]
“I just want to take a moment to say that this 20 years is for us.” – Amanda [73:56]