Hannah Montana: 20th Anniversary

Summary

Black People Love Paramore

Episode: Hannah Montana: 20th Anniversary

Host: Sequoia Holmes
Guests: Amber & Amanda
Release Date: March 19, 2026

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Overview

This episode celebrates the 20th anniversary of Hannah Montana with deep fandom, sharp critique, and abundant nostalgia. Host Sequoia Holmes (donned in a Hannah wig and fit) and Disney Channel experts Amber and Amanda discuss why Hannah Montana resonates with Black audiences, dissect the show’s cultural impact, and fondly reminisce about their favorite songs, episodes, and moments. The conversation is rich and humorous, weaving in musical breakdowns, academic analysis, sisterly dynamics, and interactive games—all underscored by a love for Black scene kids and underappreciated pop culture niches.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Why Does Hannah Montana Matter—Especially for Black Fans?

[07:02] Amanda: Discusses the show's “double consciousness” as paralleling W.E.B. Du Bois' concept—“it's like that mask you present to the world and your secret identity, who you know yourself to be... you don't have to compartmentalize different parts of your identity... you can be whole.”

• The hosts note that marginalized people, and Black girls in particular, connect deeply to the “best of both worlds” narrative.
• The panel coins the term "Hennessy Montana" for Black Hannah fans, riffing on “Tennessee whiskey” and remixing the title to reflect Black cultural stylings.
  [02:40] Amanda: "You know, Hennessy Montana."
  [02:43] Sequoia: "Because it's like Tennessee whiskey!"

2. Premise, Suspension of Disbelief, and Pop Culture Comparisons

• Recap: Miley Stewart is a Tennessee girl living a double life as pop star Hannah Montana.
• The group debates which superhero her double life most resembles—Kim Possible, Superman, or Spider-Man.
• As kids, they admit they didn’t clock the wig-based identity switch as implausible; makeup and transformation tropes in Disney led them to believe it was possible.
• The show's Southern setting and culture resonate with Black Southern viewers.

3. Music: Favorites, Impact & Punk-Pop Crossovers

• Panelists bond over song choices:
  • Amber: "Rockstar," "Just Like You," "If We Were a Movie"
  • Amanda: "I Got Nerve," "Nobody's Perfect" ("Nobody's Perfect has crack in it" - Amanda [15:03])
• Discussion of the differences in music style—Hannah = pop, Miley (as herself) = more pop-punk, grunge.
• Comparison of audience reactions at the Best of Both Worlds tour when Miley Cyrus vs Hannah Montana took the stage ([08:36]).
• Citing the gospel qualities of “The Climb” ([41:00] onwards):
  • Amanda: "That is such a good karaoke song... Every time I sing on karaoke, my eyes are closed. No, bitch."
  • Amber: “[‘The Climb’] is a gospel. I get chills.”

4. Blackness, Disney Channel & Changing Representation

• Tracing how Hannah Montana fit into a viewing history of Black Disney Channel icons like Proud Family and That's So Raven.
• Amber reflects on the Disney Channel acting style as descended from Raven-Symoné:
  • [20:18] “The acting that Miley is doing is a direct descendant of something that Raven birthed on Disney Channel… and Raven’s model somehow was what they wanted to take, probably because it was Black.”
• Points out the shift in Disney Channel tone and representation from Raven to Hannah Montana era.

5. Industry Pressures & Public Scrutiny

• Miley’s struggle with her persona and how being “blonde” was coded as more valuable, on-screen and off ([07:39] Amber, [08:10] Amber).
• Reflection on media backlash against Miley as she grew up ("Miley's shame" headlines about the Vanity Fair cover at 15, criticism for pole dancing and marijuana use, etc. [51:25–53:45]).
• Amanda: “The nature of Disney Channel was like, they were pitting all these girls against each other already…” [47:34]

6. Intersecting Pop and Country—Taylor Swift Parallels

• Hannah Montana and Taylor Swift both debut in 2006; panel jokes about Disney trying to "capture lightning in a bottle."
• Miley’s musical persona seen as a Shania Twain mini-me, while Taylor Swift’s was a Faith Hill analog ([32:18] Amanda, [33:13] Amber).
• Noted: Taylor Swift appears in the Hannah Montana movie and co-wrote "You'll Always Find Your Way Back Home".

7. Fun Factoids & Trivia

• Episode titles are all riffs on real song titles ([42:33] Sequoia).
• Discussion of cameos: Corbin Bleu, Larry David, Donny Osmond, Lisa Rinna, Dr. Phil, and more—with a “Celebrity Cameos” quiz segment ([56:48]–[65:16]).
• Miley Cyrus and Emily Osment didn’t get along for the first two years ([47:03] Sequoia), but became friends by season three.

8. Sister Dynamics & Fangirl Culture

• Amber & Amanda share stories of how fandom and going to concerts/bonding over Disney Channel shaped their sisterly relationship ([69:13] and onward).
• Discussion of the nuances and sometimes combative, always loving, nature of being close in age as sisters.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Amanda [07:02]:
  “It is kind of like that double consciousness… that mask that you present to the world and your secret identity, who you know yourself to be.”
• Amber [20:18]:
  “The way the acting that Miley is doing is a direct descendant of something that Raven birthed on Disney Channel… probably because it was Black.”
• Amanda [15:03]:
  “I think nobody's Perfect has crack in it.”
• Sequoia [08:53]:
  “The crowd got quieter, really, when Miley came out [at the Best of Both Worlds tour].”
• Sequoia [51:25]:
  “This looks like an America’s Next Top Model shoot… she’s not selling sex, are you guys dumb?”
• Amber [56:11]:
  “No one’s word is God, and it might just have a crazy white man behind it controlling everything.”
• Amanda [75:56]:
  “I just want to take a moment to say that this 20 years is for us.”
• Sequoia [76:04]:
  “Black girls did, in fact, Hannah Montana… [and] the black girl who won the Hannah Montana lookalike contest? All the white girls were so mad.”

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Highlighted Segments (Timestamps)

• [07:02] – Cultural Analysis: Amanda on Hannah Montana as “double consciousness.”
• [08:36] – The Miley/Hannah Split: Amber & Amanda on Best of Both Worlds tour, musical persona distinctions.
• [15:03] – Song Breakdown: Amanda declares “Nobody’s Perfect” has “crack in it.”
• [20:18] – Acting & Representation: Amber on Raven-Symoné’s impact and Disney Channel style.
• [41:00] – The Climb as Gospel: Discussion of “The Climb” as a soul-stirring, karaoke staple.
• [47:03] – Cast Relationships: Fun fact about Miley & Emily Osment’s early offscreen tension.
• [56:48] – Celebrity Cameos Game: The group plays a quiz about Hannah Montana guest stars.
• [66:12] – Hannah or Miley Lyric Game: Lyric guessing game, testing deep cut fandom.
• [69:13] – Sisterly Fangirl Confessions: Amber & Amanda share dynamics of being sibling fangirls.
• [75:56] – Closing Reflections on Being a Fan: The importance of fandom spaces, Black representation, and the Hannah Montana legacy.
• [76:04] – The Black Hannah Montana Lookalike: Celebrating the Black girl who won the official contest.

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Tone & Energy

• Playful and nerdy, peppered with teasing, lively musical references, and full-on Black girl joy.
• Earnest analysis about belonging, representation, and the power of childhood fandoms.
• Candid about Disney’s cultural blindspots and “stealing” from Black culture, while celebrating the impact these shows have had.

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Further Listening & Where to Find the Guests

• Amber & Amanda’s Show: “Destination Fangirls” (YouTube: Fangirl Central)—deep dives into Disney Channel and other pop culture fandoms from marginalized fangirl perspectives.
• Sequoia Holmes & Black People Love Paramore: Available on YouTube, Spotify, and all major podcast platforms (handle: @BPLPPod).

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a rollicking, insightful, and deeply affectionate exploration of Hannah Montana’s legacy from a Black and Southern perspective—perfect for anyone who wants more out of pop nostalgia than just a glittery memory. The show’s message rings out: Hannah Montana might have been for everyone, but Black girls made it their own, and that’s what made it magical.

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“Hannah Montana is for us.” – Amber [76:55]

“I just want to take a moment to say that this 20 years is for us.” – Amanda [73:56]

Transcript

[Amber]

Foreign.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Welcome to Black People Love Paramore, a pop culture show not about the band Paramore, but a show about the common as well as the uncommon interests of black people. In order to help us feel a little bit more scene. I am Sequoia Holmes, and today we have recurring guests on the show Amber and Amanda.

[Amber]

Hello.

[Amanda]

Hello.

[Sequoia Holmes]

It's great to be back.

[Amanda]

It's great to be back.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Y' all are always great and knowledgeable about all things Disney. So last time I saw y', all or last time the audience saw y', all, y' all were on the High School Musical episode.

[Amber]

Yes.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And not the most recent High School Musical episode because we did a new one for the 25th question. 20th anniversary.

[Amber]

It's a big year.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And it was fun. It was cute. Me and Ryan were going back and forth about some High School Musical stuff. And now I needed to tap into my experts once more, my real Disney Channel experts. Y' all know that I am a Disney Channel girl, but these are Disney Channel girls.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Yeah. Disney Channel was our religion.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Like, I. I tried to be these two, actually, is what. Is what I was going for. Before we really get into the episode, you see the title? You know what we're talking about today? Can you take a second rate? Us? Five stars. Preferably five stars. And per usual, I'm gonna do my little synopsis of Hannah Montana. That's what we're talking about today. And if you think I do a good job, give me five guitar emojis in the comment section. Okay. Or however many like emojis you think I deserve. I'm gonna aim at five. But you tell me what you think I deserve. Thank you very much. Oh. And naturally. Yeah.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And today, I am Hannah, as you can see. Thank you so much, Amber and Amanda, for bringing me the wig. Yes.

[Amber]

Oh.

[Amanda]

Oh, the fit working.

[Amber]

Oh, my goodness.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amber]

It's like giving Hannah.

[Amanda]

Okay, wait, you. I know you say mocha grande's. What's the word for, like, a black Hannah Montana fan, y'.

[Sequoia Holmes]

All Tell me, what is the word for a black Hannah Montana?

[Amanda]

I haven't.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Whoa.

[Amanda]

We haven't. It doesn't exist. I feel like we need to coin.

[Amber]

It should coin.

[Sequoia Holmes]

We should think about that. Okay, let's think about it.

[Amber]

Black Hannah Montana.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Hannah Han. Hannah. Oh. Oh, you found something.

[Amanda]

Yeah, but I don't know.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Don't worry. We're problematic here to a degree. Say it.

[Amanda]

You know, Hennessy Montana.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay. Hennessy Montana.

[Amber]

I'm not mad at Tennessee Montana.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Because it's like Tennessee whiskey.

[Amber]

Tennessee.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Tennessee. Montana.

[Amber]

Montana.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I see how we get there.

[Amber]

Yeah, that's good.

[Amanda]

And we're from Tennessee, so I feel like I can say that.

[Amber]

Absolutely, Absolutely.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Absolutely. I like that a lot.

[Amber]

That actually works because now it's still H m too.

[Amanda]

Oh, yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Well.

[Amber]

Hm.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Hennessy Montana.

[Amanda]

Hennessy Montana.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I like that.

[Amanda]

I'm a Hennessy Montana.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Naturally. Okay, well, I. I don't know that I identify as such, but.

[Amanda]

But today you are.

[Sequoia Holmes]

But today I am actually Hennessy Montana.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah. So if you're seeing me, you know what I'm talking about. Here's the premise of Hannah Montana. And as stands, y' all tell me how I do here. Okay? Okay, Okay. I like to try to do it off the cuff. I'm really not good at explaining premises of anything, really. But I'm gonna try it anyways.

[Amber]

Okay.

[Sequoia Holmes]

So Hannah Montana is a television series about a preteen ish girl named Miley Stewart who doubles as a pop star. She moonlights as a pop star. So by day she goes to school, she's a normal girl. She has her best friends. She's brunette. Important caveat, she has dark hair. When she is Hannah Montana, though, the pop star, when she switches into pop star mode, she's blonde and she's unrecognizable.

[Amanda]

Exactly.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Nobody knows who she is anymore.

[Amanda]

Nobody knows.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And that's how she makes her life.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Makes her living. She's kind of like Kim Possible, you know, Kim Possible's regular girl. And then she goes and saves the world.

[Amber]

Right. That's a good point. Because. But she's Kim Possible. If. If. If she was able to keep her business her own, you know what I mean?

[Sequoia Holmes]

If everybody wasn't blasting her business everywhere, everybody wasn't all in her, you know, all her stuff. Right. She would be more like Hannah Montana.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

I feel like Hannah Montana is more like Superman or Spider Man.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay.

[Amanda]

And Superman because, you know, same face.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yes.

[Amanda]

Just one thing's different.

[Amber]

Clark Ken effect.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Right.

[Amanda]

Just one thing's different. It's like he puts on the glasses and of course, no one knows. No one can tell she puts on the wig. Nobody knows. Other I have.

[Amber]

Okay.

[Amanda]

We're just. It's fantasy. It's fantasy. Miley Cyrus has one of the most distinctive faces and voices.

[Amber]

And voices, yes, absolutely.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And teeth at this time. I like it.

[Amber]

No, honestly.

[Amanda]

And teeth at this time.

[Amber]

And that.

[Amanda]

And the teeth were informing the cadence.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Absolutely.

[Amber]

And the voice.

[Amanda]

Absolutely. They all recognize. Very intertwined.

[Sequoia Holmes]

It was important.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Amber]

Thank goodness.

[Amanda]

It really was, you know, but no, we just. It just, like. Like, just suspend your disbelief. Like. Yeah, nobody knows it's her.

[Sequoia Holmes]

What's funny, for me, as a child, I didn't have to suspend my disbelief. I thought she looked that different.

[Amanda]

I was nine. And so I'm gonna agree with you, in the trailers, I was like, it's

[Amber]

hard for me to tell.

[Amanda]

Is it one or two girls in the trailers?

[Amber]

It was confusing in the trailers.

[Sequoia Holmes]

So I really should have had a little bit more understanding.

[Amanda]

Right.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I was 11. I remember looking at those trailers for Hannah Montana being like, oh, wow, that is a different person. Like, it was similar to in the Princess Diaries when she gets that makeover.

[Amanda]

Right.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Wholeheartedly thought that they brought in a new actress.

[Amber]

That just unlocked a memory for me.

[Amanda]

No, I thought it was magic. I think that that type of thing, like, that type of, like, Disney. Because Princess Diaries is a Disney movie too, just not Disney Channel. But, like, that type of, like, whole makeover type thing made me believe that I could look any way.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And is it wrong?

[Amanda]

And it's not.

[Sequoia Holmes]

When you were dressing up.

[Amanda]

Exactly.

[Amber]

Hannah Montana.

[Amanda]

I don't know where Sequoia went to. She's not.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I'm Hennessy.

[Amber]

I'm sorry.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I'm Hennessy Montana. Yeah.

[Amanda]

As we speak.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Thank you.

[Amber]

Yeah. No, it's the same concept of, like, I guess, like, your dress up. Bin storage. And you would just put on the dress and you are suddenly Cinderella. And especially you didn't really think about it.

[Amanda]

You didn't especially because, like, we lived in Tennessee, and she was like, I'm from Tennessee. And I went out to the. To Malibu. I was like, I can do that.

[Amber]

Right?

[Sequoia Holmes]

And you did. And you actually quite literally did.

[Amber]

Where are we now? And we did. And it's 20 years later. And that's kind of.

[Amanda]

It's.

[Amber]

That's what I meant at the beginning when I was like, it's kind of in our makeup. Disney Channel is a little bit just kind of intertwined into how we approach things.

[Sequoia Holmes]

That makes complete sense. Yeah.

[Amanda]

And I feel like we've. We've. We have had these conversations, like, so go look at our other episodes of Black People of Paramore. Right. This is a three. But, like, I do feel like it. Hannah Montana, to me, at least I understand why so many black people and marginalized people connect to it.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay.

[Amanda]

Because it is kind of like that double consciousness. I'm gonna get academic by W.E.B. du Bois. Oh, you're eating. And like, that mask that you present to the world and Your secret identity, who you know yourself to be. Yeah. So it's like we present a lot of different masks to the world and we can take on a lot of different things, things to different people, but inside we know who we are. And to me, the end of Hannah Montana, her unreal, like, revealing it is like making herself whole. It's like you don't have to compartmentalize different parts of your identity, whether that's black or queer or femme, whatever it is. Like, you can be whole.

[Amber]

Absolutely.

[Amanda]

To everybody.

[Amber]

Absolutely.

[Amanda]

And also, you don't have to be blonde to be loved.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Let's. Let's.

[Amber]

And you don't have to be blonde to be loved. Yes. In that part.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Because they tried to convince us that you did. Yes, they really did try to convince us.

[Amber]

Right.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I mean, they as Disney and. And everybody.

[Amber]

And everybody. And I feel like. I feel Miley has spoken on it herself. Like, she was also trying to live up to this blonde Persona that was literally her with a wig on. And she, like, Miley Cyrus was trying to live up to Hannah Montana. And that was kind of a problem for her own adolescence. I know. She was so swelled like that.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amber]

They were like, do this. You're the pop star, and then the one who looks more like you is the nerd. Yeah.

[Amanda]

Right.

[Sequoia Holmes]

It's like you're just average, but, like, you're a pop star when you're blonde.

[Amanda]

Right, Right.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Fair enough.

[Amber]

You're playing a character, which means everybody.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And nobody knows you either. Nobody thinks you'. Nobody can even tell that you are important because you have dark hair.

[Amanda]

And also, unfortunately, it was reflected in real life, which is why I think, like, it is a testament to Miley that Miley Cyrus has eclipsed Hannah Montana.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Because it was not the case in, like, 2007 when we went to the

[Sequoia Holmes]

Best of Both Worlds tour.

[Amanda]

Shout out to our shirts. We got the one with Miley on it on purpose. I think there was one with Hannah, but, like, it was Hannah Montana to meet Miley Cyrus. And it was like the crowd, like, Hannah was first, then Miley.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

And the crowd got quieter, really, when Miley came out.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah. That's so crazy to me because I had the physical copy of Hannah Montana meet Miley Cyrus.

[Amber]

Yes.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And one of the discs was Hannah and the other disc was Miley.

[Amber]

Right.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I played that Miley disc out.

[Amber]

Ow.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Played that Miley disc out. Hannah disc got a couple spins, but nowhere near what the Miley discharge Northumberland High.

[Amber]

I mean, G and O. Hello, Dan.

[Amanda]

Hello.

[Sequoia Holmes]

It went crazy.

[Amanda]

Oh, my God. Her voice. There's something. There's like a qua. There's like a grunge quality to Miley's voice does not exist on the Hannah side for sure. And I was like, yeah, start all over. Yeah, I'm gonna start all over.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Right.

[Amber]

It was a more like out on the fire. It was a more punk punk, and Hannah was more pop. And I guess you could say Miley is pop punk. Or that that version of Miley was more pop punk.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yep.

[Amber]

But it was something new to the Disney Channel. Girlies, like, that audience, we were like, what's this sound like? We're feeling free.

[Sequoia Holmes]

It was.

[Amanda]

They play again at the club.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I'm on the floor, I promise you.

[Amanda]

Yeah, I'm sorry. Getting on the floor now.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I promise you.

[Amanda]

I mean, I'm getting up.

[Sequoia Holmes]

It's pretty much ad libs of 9, 9 and 2000. You hear that? Come on. Yes. I am going to go shake my behind. Right? Yeah.

[Amanda]

See you again to me is like lose Control by Missy Elliott. Like, I'm like, we have.

[Amber]

It has that water.

[Amanda]

We're gonna have to go out there.

[Amber]

Yeah, there's that power in there. So.

[Sequoia Holmes]

So can y' all tell me y' all favorite Hannah Montana songs then? So Hannah Specific.

[Amber]

Okay, Hannah Specific, Not Miley. I love Rockstar.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I love Rockstar. Rockstar is good.

[Amanda]

Totally good.

[Amber]

I feel like I've always loved Rockstar, but I think that that has been more of, like, post 20s love. But it was influenced by how much I loved as a child. But I remember when I heard Just like you in the second episode, I remember I liked that green outfit and I liked the song because I don't know why. I was just like, oh, I know all these lyrics, like, right off the bat. I like that one. And then if we.

[Amanda]

I like the guitar on that.

[Amber]

That one. Yeah. Yeah. And in the way she sounds. I don't know, something about it tickled my brain. I was like, oh, this is a really good song. And then, yeah, if We Were a movie. Because I like the. The visual of it all.

[Sequoia Holmes]

It does have a good visual.

[Amber]

The bridge is really good.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I was looking at. Oh, no, I'm not. Yeah, no, I was looking at if We Were a Movie today. On my way here, I was just looking at the track list for what is that in Montana? 3.

[Amanda]

That if we were movie was on the first one. Yeah. Just hand.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay. I was looking at something today where it said, featuring Corbin Blue.

[Amber]

They did.

[Sequoia Holmes]

They.

[Amber]

They redid it in season three.

[Amanda]

Oh, yeah, they did.

[Sequoia Holmes]

They redid it during the stuff featuring Corbin Blue. And I said, I've never heard Corbin Blue on this song before. What are you talking about? He made that up.

[Amanda]

He came back.

[Amber]

Crush. He was like a. A crush.

[Amanda]

He's in the first episode.

[Amber]

He's in the first episode. And then he came back in season three.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Hannah Montana.

[Amanda]

Yes. Corbin was on the first episode of Hannah Montana. And I. That's the Disney machine. That's the Disney machine. Because he had just been on his musical.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

And so he was, like, the most famous person in the pilot.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

And it was like, first, I think that yes, from Tennessee, and yes, she's being a pop star, but the fact that she had a black crush in the very first episode, I think sets the tone.

[Amber]

It kept it. I mean, it kept us.

[Amanda]

It kept us.

[Amber]

It kept us on it. Because I. I mean, we had a whole musical review talking about our love for Disney Channel called Disney Vortex. And we were. We were talking about how we loved something that seemingly was so white. And how did that happen from the beginning of our childhood. And basically the reveal is we started on Disney Channel with proud family.

[Amanda]

Sister.

[Amber]

Sister revens.

[Sequoia Holmes]

That's a raven.

[Amber]

The queen. It's a whole love letter to Raven Baxter Simone. So it was just like having Chad be there. It was still just enough to catch us to be like, yeah, we're still in safe territory.

[Sequoia Holmes]

100.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

I get that there is some overlap with black culture and southern culture just in general, because most black people in the United States are in the South. And so certain things that they were saying, I'm like, well, I relate. And I didn't realize that it was so specific culturally until I moved out of Tennessee. We always talk about how we couldn't tell she had a southern accent. Yeah, she was singing in a Southern accent. She just sounded like all of the people we went to school with.

[Amber]

No, honestly, like, I. I have been re watching it, and I'm like, Billy Ray Cyrus is saying every single word without an R in the middle.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I dare say country.

[Amber]

Country, country, country, country, like, very.

[Amanda]

But we're from Memphis. Nashville's way. Country.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Is it okay?

[Amber]

And she's like. She was from Franklin, which is, like, right outside even country. So that's just really like Crowley, Cor

[Sequoia Holmes]

Franklin and Charlie Corners is where Miley Stewart is from.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Amber]

Yes.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Got it.

[Amber]

Yes.

[Amanda]

But.

[Amber]

And I remember when that. That film was happening in 2009, a bunch of, like, our. We just know random people who were extras because they came to film in Nashville and some random people were Extras

[Amanda]

in it really quickly, I want to say my favorite songs because from the first season and that first album, it was I Got nerve.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Because I saw her perform at Disneyland. Did you ever see that video of her performing at Disneyland? She has, like, a white dress on with leggings, and it's like white with pink splotches and, like the black belt.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yep.

[Amanda]

I just thought she looked so badass. I had never seen her look like that on the show in any music video. I was like, what is this energy? And she was performing live. It was like, Miley has, like, she's like, infectious live. Her energy live is, like, unparalleled. And those. Those, the ones on the show, obviously they're live, but, like, they were for audiences that didn't know who she was yet and she was giving her all. But that I Got nerve is just like, holy. Oh, my God, I got nerve.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I got nervous. Good.

[Amber]

And really good. The lyrics in that one, it's just like.

[Amanda]

Yeah, they're all manifestations.

[Sequoia Holmes]

They're all manifesting. Like, move out the way. You're asking for me one day.

[Amanda]

Yeah, you're gonna be asking for me one day.

[Amber]

We haven't met, but that's okay. I got this in the bag.

[Amanda]

Yeah, that's.

[Amber]

What is that energy? Amazing.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Amazing.

[Amanda]

But then the first one back from season two, nobody's Perfect. And I think nobody's Perfect has crack in it.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

For me, because I hear that. Everybody makes mistakes.

[Amber]

Everybody has those days.

[Sequoia Holmes]

One, two, three, ball.

[Amanda]

And those hips.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And those hips.

[Amanda]

And I. I didn't. This. I didn't like the song when I first heard it because I heard it on the radio and then I saw her perform it and I was like, oh, God.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yep.

[Amanda]

You guys, he got me. Yeah, she's got me back. And that crowd knows who Hannah Montana is, right?

[Amber]

They were excited to get that taping.

[Amanda]

And she's sweating.

[Amber]

Yeah. The choreography is real. Like, it's a one shot.

[Amanda]

It's like one shot. Yeah. And there's a moment in the music video, I. When I was little, I was like, this is not a music video. It's a live performance.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

But it kept saying music video.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

And there's a moment where she's actually singing live. Like, they cut out the track and then she's singing live. And she sounds so good. But she sounds out of breath. But she sounds so good. Her voice control is so good.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah. And I don't know.

[Amanda]

I was too young to know what voice control was or like, star quality, whatever. But, like, I knew that, like, she had something.

[Sequoia Holmes]

She had.

[Amanda]

It was captivating. She had something. And the Hannah Montana to meet Miley Cyrus era was, like, unparalleled.

[Amber]

But to go back to, before we move from the. The Voice topic.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yep.

[Amber]

I just remember people always being like people like fourth graders, you know, my peers at the time being like, it's auto tuned. It's auto tuned. And I was always like, you guys, it's the effect of her being a pop star. Miley Cyrus, that actress, me at nine can actually sing. Like, you guys don't have enough sense to know that yet. Yes, they're gonna stylize it on the track, but, like, she sings so many times on the show, like, just loudly. Her voice carries so much. Like Miley, Miley. Whenever she sings, her ad libs, her voice is carrying so far on the set, it's loud. Like, you can tell it's not edited. And I'm like, girls, you're being haters.

[Sequoia Holmes]

You're not quite understanding. You're actually being a hater. I watched the Hannah Montana movie for the first time today, and I noticed. I swear she's singing live. I swear the vocals are live in the Hannah Montana.

[Amanda]

I would believe that. Which one? Which part are you talking about?

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah, the climb. Oh, I'm like, excuse me. You're singing right now. That's not that you're singing that right now.

[Amber]

I feel like.

[Amanda]

I mean, I think Miley always sings live on set, but I do think that they. They either mixed in the track or like, it's just. It's the track. But because she's singing live, it looks.

[Amber]

It looks like that she's.

[Amanda]

She's like, put. Not everyone's good at lip syncing. No, she's incredible at it.

[Amber]

I think it's because she is singing. She is singing because Zayn Malik, catching Strays cannot lip sync. He cannot. My poor. My poor baby boy.

[Sequoia Holmes]

So many people can't.

[Amber]

He barely moves his mouth. And it's like, you're not. I've seen you sing live, son. And your mouth is wide open. You're mumbling when you're lip syncing.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amber]

So I do think it's like, if you actually sing.

[Sequoia Holmes]

That's the tip.

[Amber]

I don't know why he hasn't started doing that.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Somebody has to tell him.

[Amber]

You are like.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Nobody told you. You actually do have to enunciate. You have to pretend to sing.

[Amber]

I know you know how to sing.

[Amanda]

Like, because you don't. You know, when you sing, you have to close your eyes. And open your mouth.

[Sequoia Holmes]

As Miley. As Miley.

[Amanda]

What did you think of the Hannah Montana movie? Movie.

[Sequoia Holmes]

So, okay, for reference, I did Hannah Montana. As I just mentioned, I. Hannah Montana came out when I was 11. Okay. So I was in the age group of someone who would Hannah Montana. I had grown up on Raven Simone. I'm a Raven girl absolutely to my core. My blood, my breath, everything within me is Raven Simone.

[Amanda]

She raised a generation.

[Sequoia Holmes]

You know what I mean? She really raised me. And so I went into Hannah Montana a little bit more skeptical and a little underwhelmed because I went from what I think is a traditional sitcom informed by Martin. You know what I mean? Like, the physical comedy of Raven Simone, like Disney Channel has shifted.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

When it went from Lizzie McGuire. That's so Raven. Even Stevens to Hannah Montana. Sonny with a Chance. What's the place? Wizards of Waverly.

[Amber]

It's so interesting that you're saying this because you were 11 and that was. So you're near Miley's age.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amber]

So, okay, let me get my thoughts. So fast forward. When I was around the age where people my age were actually being on Disney Channel, that's when I was heading out as well. And judging and judging and judging. But even more to your point of why you had some reason to judge Hannah Montana. While I love the concept, I love what it taught me at the time. The way the acting that Miley is doing is a direct descendant of something that RA Raven birthed on Disney Channel. And those other shows like Lizzie McGuire and even Stevens were different. They were all doing their own thing 1000%. And Raven. Raven's model somehow was what they wanted to take, probably because it was black. They wanted to take and apply it to all the other shows. And it happened to Hannah Montana. It happened with Shake It Up. It happened with Jesse.

[Amanda]

They all acted like they don't understand. I don't think that executives understand that, like, what Raven was doing was unique.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

It was her channel because she was black. Like, you can't. I mean, it is like, just cultural appropriat.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Aave.

[Amanda]

Like, you can't just, like, stand on set and be like, what?

[Amber]

It's not gonna work.

[Sequoia Holmes]

It's not the same. It's very much not the same.

[Amanda]

Raven's doing something, mimicking something naturally. Also, I was watching that's a Raven this week for fun.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Not for homework, but for fun. Yeah. And the whole family and Eddie are doing things that no one on TV is doing anymore.

[Amber]

Hello, comedian.

[Amanda]

No genius chemistry.

[Amber]

So original.

[Sequoia Holmes]

It's Insane. Insane.

[Amanda]

It is. So they're just being black. Like, they're not even, like, they're not even working hard to be funny. They're just being black.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I mean, they're just being black. They're just being black. That's quite literally it.

[Amber]

For some reason. The timing in what and how in the response. The response timing that black people have is just like, why are you being so unserious?

[Sequoia Holmes]

Very much that. Like, so as I'm watching Hannah Montana, the movie for the first time and like kind of remembering watching Hannah Montana because I think I watched all of it as a child, I'm like, oh, Miley is giving Raven. And I think obviously she is the best part of Hannah Montana. As I'm watching it, I'm like, she's funny. She is a star. She's funny. I'm entertained by her. She's a star. And like you mentioned, because she is Southern, I think she can get away with a little bit more of leaning into the Raven esque behavior.

[Amber]

I agree with that.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Than much of the other cast could get away with.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And so I was having a really good time watching Hannah Montana movie for the first time. I went into it again, skeptical because I did not love Hannah Montana. I liked it, but I did not love it. And so I went into the movie being like, this is gonna be fine, especially as an adult. Like, I probably missed the wave where I would thoroughly enjoy this. And so I'm mitigating my expectations. I was laughing. I was having an actually good time. I was giggling. I was like, damn, they gave this a crazy budget.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

The budget for this was nuts.

[Amber]

It was nice.

[Sequoia Holmes]

First of all.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Second of all, Miley is a star.

[Amber]

Third of all, great in that movie.

[Sequoia Holmes]

All the actors that they hired for that movie in particular.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

They were killing it. They did not have to be that good of actors or a decom.

[Amanda]

They got Margot Martindale.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

To be her grandmother. That's like watching her actress.

[Sequoia Holmes]

He said that.

[Amanda]

Margo Martindale and Vanessa Williams.

[Amber]

Vanessa.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Vanessa Williams, Tyra Banks.

[Amber]

It was pretty. Yeah. No, And I do. I don't know. Miley looks so good in them. I remember when it came out, I was like, she looks amazing. She did look great in all of the scenes.

[Amanda]

I feel like I do think that the reason Hannah Montana works is because knowing Miley now, she has respect for drag. And after some years of bumpy road, the black community. Yes, she has respect.

[Amber]

Yes.

[Amanda]

Okay. She grew up in the South. She knows the coolest bitches in the south are Black.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay. She knows.

[Amanda]

She knows. Like, we had Roxy, we have Vanessa Williams. We had Tyra Banks. Like, I feel like the, the Hannah Montana is just like such a. I'm gonna spend the rest my life, like, hypothesizing why Hannah Montana, like, works for so many black people. But I just do think it's because of the dress up and the drag and the drama and the like and the like.

[Amber]

I mean, yeah, it's fun. Yeah. I will say, I will, I will give, I will give the other kids of the cast and Jason Earls their props because they did, they did have their. They did have their, like, original improv moments. So I don't want to say that they were completely like, yeah, taking from Raven. But there was a shift and I stand by that.

[Amanda]

Yeah, I think the directors were probably shifting towards Raven. However, like Emily Osmond and Jason Earl specifically are like such good sitcom actors. Like, they like, I'm pretty. Like, Emily's still working in sitcoms and she's like thriving in that.

[Sequoia Holmes]

She's doing a lot.

[Amanda]

She's good at it.

[Sequoia Holmes]

She's a couple of them.

[Amanda]

And the quotes that I quote from Hannah Montana, the show, because Miley is like my diva. And I love Miley because of the music and because of her music lasting after. But my favorite parts of Hannah Montana the show are like, Lily going, don't come in, Daddy. Like, doing like crazy shit like that.

[Amber]

Jason Jackson being like, my extendo neck. Like when they were like trying to get out of that car situation. Do you remember this episode?

[Amanda]

They're like arguing. It's like an episode where Miley and Jackson are arguing and they're being forced to, like, stay like, be together. And they're grounded, but they sneak out and then Oliver pretending to be there

[Amber]

and look over, look over the railing and he goes, oh, sorry, I forgot my extendo neck.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Oh, I do kind of remember that. I remember that a little bit.

[Amanda]

She's like, what? What about me? And he goes, your big head will keep us balanced.

[Amber]

Yeah, yeah.

[Amanda]

And then, I mean, those are the lines that like, stick with me.

[Amber]

Cheese jerky. That was a good one. Moises and Jason, whenever they would do their sing a sing along arias.

[Amanda]

Also, he's funny. He was so, so funny. We met him when we were like, oh, yes. 14 and 12 out here in a

[Sequoia Holmes]

beach, on a mountain.

[Amanda]

On the beach. Because they were like our parents. I don't know how we ended up. We were on some film set and they were like, moises Aries is in this movie. And we. And My. Our dad went over and we're like. Was like, can you take a picture of my daughter?

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah. Come on, dad.

[Amber]

Yeah. And he was. And he. We took the photo, but our mom was having trouble with the camera, and so he was just, like, standing with

[Sequoia Holmes]

us for a long time.

[Amanda]

For a long time.

[Amber]

It was so awkward.

[Sequoia Holmes]

You got your picture.

[Amber]

We got the picture. It was my profile picture on Facebook,

[Sequoia Holmes]

as it should have been three months.

[Amanda]

You.

[Sequoia Holmes]

You went through a lot, a lot to get that picture.

[Amanda]

So.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yes, I'm glad that you put it as your. You put it as your cover photo.

[Amber]

Yeah, no, I put on. I put it. But I cropped Amanda out. It was just me and Moist.

[Amanda]

I was offended.

[Amber]

Stop, girl. And I know about me.

[Amanda]

I never. I mean, I never told you, but I was like, I want people to know. I was there, too.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I probably did.

[Amanda]

You did, too.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I was like, you did it, too. I'm sure you did.

[Amber]

Oh, I didn't know. I started the fight, though. The war.

[Sequoia Holmes]

No, we literally had.

[Amanda]

No, that makes teenagers. But, no, I love the Hand Montana movie just to Rabbit. I went to see it. I went to see it for my. It came out the day before my birthday. 2009.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

That's why it's so high quality.

[Amber]

Okay.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay, so which one came out first? High School Musical 3 or Hannah Montana?

[Amanda]

High School Music.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay, so that's probably why Hannah Montana got the budget that it did. Yeah, probably.

[Amanda]

Now that you say that. Yeah, it's. They lined up perfectly because, like, High School Musical and then two months later, Hannah Montana and then Heist Musical 3 came out October 24, 2008, and Hannah Montana was April 10, 2009.

[Amber]

Yeah, we did.

[Amanda]

Sorry. I was gonna say just generally fall,

[Sequoia Holmes]

but I was like, no, I know why. I know the dates. Why would I do that? This is a safe space. I'm happy that you felt free to do that.

[Amber]

Now, the calendar.

[Sequoia Holmes]

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[Amanda]

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[Sequoia Holmes]

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[Amanda]

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[Sequoia Holmes]

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[Amanda]

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[Sequoia Holmes]

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[Amanda]

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[Sequoia Holmes]

I had to look up the dates of when Hannah Montana began and when Taylor Swift came out because I thought that Hannah Montana was Disney's response to the popularity of Taylor Swift. Incorrect. They came out like this. Hannah Montana came out March 24, 2006 and Taylor Swift came out in June 2006. And so there's no way to know. And then Taylor Swift was in.

[Amanda]

Their albums came out the same day.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Did they?

[Amanda]

Yeah, because Hannah Montana was released. But then they waited to release the whole album. So it was like only Best of both worlds out. But like the whole album of Hannah Montana season one and Taylor Swift first album came out the same exact.

[Amber]

And what day. Wait, what day did Taylor Swift come out?

[Sequoia Holmes]

It just says.

[Amber]

Was that like what's the song?

[Sequoia Holmes]

It came out October 24, 2006 is when her debut album came out. I don't know when our song came out. Yeah, came out in June 20.

[Amanda]

Okay. So yeah, that October 2006, that was the day that the Hannah Montana and Taylor Swift's album.

[Amber]

So the June 2006 has to be our song. Because I remember it was the summertime our neighbor who was a blonde girl was playing our song in like July probably in like. Yeah, in the summer. So that May. That does line up because I was obsessed with that.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Our song was fantastic. That's a hit. I really. Y' all know I don't Taylor Swift, but.

[Amber]

Right.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Our song.

[Amanda]

And y' all know we don't Taylor

[Sequoia Holmes]

Swift, but our song in that one, we can.

[Amber]

Yeah, we can go.

[Amanda]

Our song is a slamming screen door.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Window.

[Amber]

Window.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I loved it. I loved it. That was good. So their simultaneous rise. Something about it is so weird. Like I'm like, how did y' all know? How did y' all know that both of these things were going to be the biggest things?

[Amber]

That is a very interesting question. And it poses like, who?

[Sequoia Holmes]

What?

[Amber]

Who could have been one of the one. The comps on the board in that exact. In the exec hallways at the time, I'm thinking like, was it maybe a little bit of like Hilary Duff mixed with what was Shania Twain doing at the time?

[Amanda]

It was Shania Twain. Shania Twain was Miley's biggest inspiration. She's the one who like she's talked about this. She's like, they didn't really know who Hannah Montana was. I mean, she's like a 13 year old mega pop star that's kind of pop, country.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Country, right?

[Amanda]

And she's like, I was just going off Shania Twain. Like she did all those ad libs. Like the.

[Amber]

Oh yeah.

[Amanda]

Like no one told her to do that.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah, she was.

[Amanda]

She was doing that and she was imitating Shania Twain.

[Amber]

Shania Twain is the reason that Brad Pitt doesn't impress on me much. You know, how do we get here?

[Amanda]

Shut up.

[Amber]

How do we you know, the times that don't impress a meme much.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Oh, yeah, I forget. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Amber]

I just love Shania Twaid.

[Amanda]

Okay, I'm gonna agree. But also at the same time, I'm like, I feel like they were these mini me's of what was going on in pop and country.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Taylor Swift was like Minnie, Faith Hill, whatever. I don't know much about country.

[Amber]

Neither do I. I really don't.

[Amanda]

Blind spot. And that. She was married to Tim McGraw. Right. And she wrote a song called Tim McGraw.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Sure. Okay. Yeah.

[Amanda]

And someone jot that down. Taylor Swift was Faith Hill.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Faith Hill was married to.

[Amanda]

And then Miley's being Minnie. Minnie. Like Shania Twain's Slash like maybe Dixie Chicks, probably. Yeah. And slash like Joan Jettish. Dolly Parton.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Dolly Parton, yeah. I'm like, definitely her. Yeah.

[Amanda]

Because I. Because I looked it up when we were doing our.

[Amber]

We.

[Amanda]

We just recorded our Hannah Montana episode a couple weeks ago and I looked it up. I said, what? Who else was a 12 year old pop star, right? Other than like Michael Jackson, Aaron Carter, like, it's tiny. It's like little boys. But like.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Who was the comp for like a mega famous girl?

[Sequoia Holmes]

12 year old girl. There just wasn't.

[Amanda]

There wasn't. They made her up.

[Amber]

They made her.

[Sequoia Holmes]

They totally made her up.

[Amber]

They made her up.

[Sequoia Holmes]

No, because JoJo came out later.

[Amanda]

No. Okay. No, JoJo.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay, so that's JoJo.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

JoJo was 13, right?

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah, yeah. And she came out what, 2003.

[Amber]

I want to say she had her own, like.

[Amanda]

Oh, but she was R B. Yeah,

[Sequoia Holmes]

she was R B. She was Ashanti. She was Ashanti, baby. Ashanti is what she was. Yeah. Totally different.

[Amanda]

Totally different. And like Aaliyah was like 16.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Oh, Aaliyah was young when she came out too. I think she was younger than 16.

[Amber]

Oh, okay.

[Sequoia Holmes]

She was. Yeah, she was a baby. Yeah. I think she was 14 maybe.

[Amanda]

But I'm like 12 year olds popping off is like a male thing.

[Sequoia Holmes]

It is a male thing because it

[Amber]

was Justin Bieber and it was Aaron

[Amanda]

Carter, Donny Osmond, Michael Jackson.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Right.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Like, and if you want to go really far back, it's like Shirley Temple. But like, she wasn't like, she was

[Sequoia Holmes]

an actress, you know, like Britney Spears

[Amber]

popped off when she was 16. She started at the Mickey Mouse Club when she was younger. But she kind of started being a pop star at. With baby one more time.

[Amanda]

Because when Hannah Montana starts, she's already mega famous.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Right.

[Amanda]

She's 13, right?

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

And she's been in LA for two years.

[Amber]

She moved out to LA because she got too famous in Tennessee or. What was it?

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah. Like, what brought her out to la?

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

The EP that we talked to Doug Lebline told us that they had a loose backstory in the writers room where it was like she had had a best friend in Tennessee who knew her secret. So she was famous already.

[Amber]

Exactly.

[Amanda]

That's what I see.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay.

[Amanda]

And she had a best friend who knew her secret and, like, kind of wanted to manipulate her to use the secret for popularity or something. She got burned something nebulous. And so then they moved to LA and decided to keep. Because nobody can know the secret. That's why she didn't want to tell Lily.

[Amber]

Strong trigger that Lily was causing in the first episode. She was like, you won't treat me the same.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Lily was like, you're being weird. Like, something's off, right? Yeah.

[Amber]

Right. And then he was like, we have to tell everybody. But Lily was just having a good old time. She didn't mean any harm.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah. And they communicated questionably because in the movie, when she's speaking to that reporter.

[Amber]

Oh, my gosh.

[Amanda]

Remember?

[Amber]

Why would they write that?

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay. But she did.

[Amanda]

She's mad. She's mad at Miley. Miley's.

[Amber]

Miley's been too big for watching us and I.

[Amanda]

Acting up.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Hello, New York.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Or was she the money maker and she needed to focus on her job?

[Amber]

Well.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And you knew I was gonna miss your birthday, right? Like, I don't want to tell you.

[Amber]

Like, I'm here.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I'm the biggest pops on the planet.

[Amber]

Babe, go off, Hannah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

If Hannah calls, I do have to

[Amber]

go, go, go off. I mean, that's the point. You have me there.

[Sequoia Holmes]

The movie gave Beyonce double pneumonia in order for Hannah to be able to take her place at whatever award show, and that's why she had to miss Lily's birthday.

[Amber]

Is that the reason is.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yes.

[Amber]

Oh, yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

So her manager, Vanessa, or her PR person, Vanessa Williams, is walking down. She's like, beyonce got great news. Beyonce got double pneumonia, and you're gonna be taking her spot at the blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah.

[Amber]

Okay.

[Amanda]

That is just like, what world are we building up? I mean, it's almost like they wrote fan fiction and it happened because what world are we building up? That Hannah Montana is in the same conversations as Beyonce, but then they're right next to each other on the stand up to cancer. She's in between Beyonce and Rihanna.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I send it on as far, you know what I mean, yeah. And it goes back to my theory that Hannah and Taylor Swift are inextricably linked because Beyonce and Taylor Swift being in the same conversation often is like question mark, question mark, question mark. As I was watching the Hannah Montana movie for the first time and she brings up Beyonce, I'm like, in what world with this 13 year old, right? Or you know, miss 15 year old at the time. I don't know how she was at this point be taking Beyonce spot even in 2009.

[Amber]

Yeah, right.

[Sequoia Holmes]

During Sasha Fierce era. In what world?

[Amanda]

Like they're calling Rihanna.

[Sequoia Holmes]

You know what I mean? Like, like they're not.

[Amber]

If you said Rihanna in that same exact year. Taylor won the award over 2009.

[Amanda]

In 2009.

[Sequoia Holmes]

No, see something. Somebody took over the time. We timeline shifted. That's crazy. Something happened. They manifested Taylor Swift's.

[Amanda]

I mean, also you clocked her.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Taylor Swift's in the movie and she's in the movie.

[Amanda]

She wrote, you'll always find your way back home too. She wrote that song.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Which one is that?

[Amber]

You'll always find your way back home. You can change her hair and you can change your clothes.

[Amanda]

You can change.

[Amber]

But just the way it goes. You can say goodbye and you can say hello.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Very cute song.

[Amber]

Yeah, it is a cute song. She's a good songwriter, that song. No, Taylor Swift can write songs.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah. Yeah, she's a good. She can write songs.

[Amanda]

Yeah, she can.

[Sequoia Holmes]

She does.

[Amanda]

She does.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And she does.

[Amber]

As we famously know.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Do you guys know which Hannah Montana album is the most popular?

[Amber]

Let me guess. Is it Hannah Montana album two? It's not three, is it?

[Amanda]

Yes. I'm gonna guess because I think that the popularity kept going up and people keep talking about like, he could be the one. Oh, is it the one where he could be the one is on.

[Amber]

It could be the one. One.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I don't know which one he could be.

[Amanda]

Is it three?

[Amber]

It's three.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay.

[Amber]

It better not be Hannah Montana forever.

[Sequoia Holmes]

It is Hannah Montana 2. Meet Miley Cyrus. Okay. Four times platinum. Four times platinum.

[Amber]

And it deserves this.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And it really. Cuz I listened to all of it today. I like went through was like, let me see. That first album was okay. You know, like I said, okay half of it.

[Amanda]

It was like building.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

B5 is on that album.

[Amber]

Yeah. Oh, B5.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I didn't hear that.

[Amber]

That's so funny.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Maybe I wasn't paying that much attention.

[Amanda]

She has like six songs on the first one and then the other one movie. It's like B5 and like evermore and

[Amber]

Jesse McCartney, I think.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Oh, now, hold on, because I missed that because I. Ever more. Yeah, I liked those girls.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amber]

Were they.

[Amanda]

She's.

[Amber]

No you, or am I thinking of the Veronicas?

[Sequoia Holmes]

No, because they had the same song. She makes me breakfast in bed. You like the stories. I like. I could get used to this. The Veronicas had a version of that, and Evermore had a version of that song.

[Amber]

Interesting.

[Sequoia Holmes]

So they were. They were Same. Same. I think everyone was three girls, question mark. And the Veronica.

[Amber]

Yeah, I'm picturing three.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And they were a little bit more gospel, a little bit more churchy, a little bit more.

[Amber]

Really?

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah. I'm. I want to say they were a Christian band, but I'm not.

[Amanda]

I wouldn't. I wouldn't put it past it. So many of those, like, emo bands in the 2000s are Christian.

[Amber]

That's what Disney was about, too.

[Sequoia Holmes]

All of them. I feel like every time you look, you're like, oh, my God. They were.

[Amanda]

Who sings. Who's the one that sings? Sadie Hawkins Dance and my khaki fans. Whoever sings that. Reliant K. Reliant K. They were.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

And this is a little bit later, but 21 pilots. Also Christian.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Really? Oh, I didn't know all of their songs about God.

[Amber]

Wow.

[Amanda]

That's might be an exaggeration, but all their songs.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Wow. Okay. Hey, if you can slip it in there, I'm not mad.

[Amanda]

You know, it's catchy.

[Sequoia Holmes]

If you can slip it in there, I'm not.

[Amanda]

You can make it sound emo. They sound emo.

[Sequoia Holmes]

They really certainly, certainly sound about it. Emo.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Speaking of Christian gospel songs, the climb.

[Amber]

Oh, and isn't it the gospel? It is a word that's gospel. I get chill.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I really do.

[Amanda]

And see, as soon as you said it, I close my eyes immediately. Immediately.

[Sequoia Holmes]

As one does.

[Amanda]

I. That is such a good karaoke song. And every. Every time I sing on karaoke, my eyes are closed. The whole time, same people are probably like, don't you need to read the lyrics? No, bitch.

[Sequoia Holmes]

No, I don't. Actually. I'm elevating right now.

[Amanda]

If I look at the lyrics, it'll throw me off.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Exactly.

[Amanda]

They're wrong.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I can feel them. I can feel the lyrics.

[Amanda]

I can feel it. I have to feel when she's gonna go. Like. I have to feel it in this. I'm like, literally, close your eyes. Feel where she's about to sit.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Absolutely.

[Amber]

Oh, my gosh. I lose myself. That is a gospel.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I do.

[Amber]

I open my eyes and I'm like, whoa.

[Amanda]

How you have to listen to. If you're down where. If you were impatient, you have. If you don't think your life is going nowhere.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I'm telling you all about Listen to the climb. If you're in a season.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Cuddle on the climb. Matter of fact, I'll send you my manifestation playlist, and that is on there.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Even if you're going through a peak

[Amber]

is the manifest in your life.

[Amanda]

You have to remember. It's all about.

[Sequoia Holmes]

You have to remember.

[Amanda]

You have to.

[Sequoia Holmes]

It's about how you. It's about don't throw there.

[Amanda]

It's about the road there. It's about the road that you enjoy yourself.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Look around, Always have a good time.

[Amber]

Oh.

[Amanda]

Oh, my God.

[Amber]

That song is great. Life's a climb, but the view is

[Sequoia Holmes]

great at the end of the day.

[Amber]

And you'll get fresh air.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I have some fun factoids about Hannah Montana.

[Amber]

Okay.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Each episode title of Hannah Montana was inspired by a real live stream song. I did not know that.

[Amber]

Did y' all know that?

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay.

[Amanda]

On the guide, you know when you're going through, like, I would always see the. The episode titles because they don't show them on the actual episode, which I'm

[Sequoia Holmes]

like, oh, yeah, right.

[Amanda]

This is you. So this is just an inside joke for the writers. That's what it's giving.

[Sequoia Holmes]

That is kind of what it is.

[Amber]

But here's what it is. The funniest inside joke I always think of is the Jake Ryan episode where they get together is Achy Drakey heart.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Achy breaky heart.

[Amber]

And when. When Hannah Montana first became a thing, our mom was like. And she's Billy Ray Cyrus's. And he had a famous song. Girls. You know that song, Achy Jakey, achy break your heart. And we were like, no. Because while we do know a lot of references, our parents know.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yep.

[Amber]

Not playing it. They never played that.

[Sequoia Holmes]

They never played that. 100% same experience. Maybe you're.

[Amanda]

Maybe this might resonate, but, like, we know all the black people that our parents know, like, all the black famous people and the black people that like the music.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yes.

[Amanda]

But anybody white from their generation that, like, everybody in their generation knows, they're not talking to us about that.

[Amber]

Unless it's the white woman who sings square biz. You know this is a white woman singing, right?

[Amanda]

And we're like,

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yes.

[Amanda]

And it's because Sierra. Because of Sierra. She said, you know, this is a c. Sierra's sampling square biz.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Did she.

[Amanda]

And I'm a five, two

[Sequoia Holmes]

When I'm not young When I believe I'm number one I'm talking to you, square, square squam biz. So.

[Amanda]

But. But that's like. I'm like, why would I know Billy Ray Cyrus? You've never mentioned him. Yeah.

[Amber]

You know that, man.

[Amanda]

You don't listen to it.

[Sequoia Holmes]

You never said Achy Breaky Heart a day. I don't know. If you played the first three chords, I would not know what song that is. Still, to this day, I don't think I've ever heard it.

[Amanda]

I don't think I break my heart

[Sequoia Holmes]

oh, my achy breaky heart I do know. I just don't think you understand.

[Amanda]

And that's all they do.

[Amber]

Play a snippet of it, I think,

[Amanda]

in the show Mother just so she just said she would just sing saying things. She would just break out into songs.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Like, I would never know who Dolly Parton was if it wasn't for Anna Montana. I. You know what I mean? Like, I think I would have a general reference that she exists because. But my mom never talked to me about Dolly.

[Amanda]

Now, we knew the Dolly Parton because of Tennessee.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Sure.

[Amanda]

Because our bridge is called the Dolly Parton Bridge because it goes like this. Because it's in the size, the shape of an M. Yes. But I want to shape of boobs.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Oh, so we play for Dolly.

[Amanda]

Dolly Parton.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Oh, okay.

[Amanda]

Flip it around.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Bring it down. Yeah, that makes sense. Boobs.

[Amber]

Amanda.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Boobs.

[Amber]

But I think. I think. Say. I think I found out who Dolly Parton was and all of that fact. Because she was on Hannah Montana. That's what the conversation. What starter was for our mom to tell us who Dolly Parton was.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Exactly. I already knew she was.

[Amber]

I don't think I knew.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I mean, you were a baby. You were seven. Yeah. You very much so.

[Amber]

I was like, why would you have

[Amanda]

a reference for Danny Just got here.

[Sequoia Holmes]

You literally just got here. You're a fetus. Trying to figure out why she was built.

[Amanda]

She was my first, like, most important, like, like on Hannah Montana. That was my most important cultural reference to Dolly Parton. But I knew she was. Because of. What's that song that she sings? Whatever.

[Amber]

When I will Whatever I will always love you.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I don't. That's.

[Amber]

Our mom is always like, Dolly Jolene.

[Amanda]

Because I remember someone was playing it at school, and I was like, this song's kind of sad.

[Sequoia Holmes]

No, it is sad.

[Amanda]

Upsetting.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Begging somebody, don't take your man is crazy.

[Amber]

That's not your man. Please let her have him painting A

[Amanda]

picture in my head, and I was like, this is sad, sad, sad.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And you would never expect Dolly look like that. You're so. She's such a bad bee. I'm trying not to curse anymore. She's such a bad. Be like, don't beg anybody not to take your man, baby.

[Amanda]

I. I have to skip it on.

[Sequoia Holmes]

On Beyonce's. I definitely feel you on that. Yeah.

[Amanda]

I'm like, I can't hear this.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I can't. I just can't. This is not in my spirit. This.

[Amanda]

Turn this off and go to lemonade.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And I promise you that's what I'm going to do every time. I promise you that's what I'm going to. Because Inch Hill.

[Amber]

Oh, yeah.

[Amanda]

I would rather that.

[Sequoia Holmes]

That's my favorite song on that.

[Amanda]

That's my favorite song on that. Nobody else.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I love 6 inch.

[Amanda]

So bad 6 inch.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Because we're supremacy at the end of the day, punk rock type girlies. And that one is a little grunge.

[Amanda]

It's a little.

[Sequoia Holmes]

A little textured in a way that other Beyonce music sometimes isn't, you know, so.

[Amber]

Absolutely.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I love success.

[Amanda]

It.

[Amber]

I love that.

[Amanda]

That's like my power song.

[Sequoia Holmes]

It is.

[Amanda]

If I'm, like, upset.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Sorry is good, too.

[Amanda]

I will turn.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I love lemonade. That's my favorite. Sorry.

[Amanda]

Incredible.

[Sequoia Holmes]

The whole. The whole of it.

[Amber]

I mean, it's Beyonce.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Some other fun factoids that I'm sure y' all know.

[Amber]

Okay.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Miley Cyrus and Emily Osmit did not get along the first two years of the show. In her autobiography, I didn't know Miley had an autobiography. Miley says they, quote, tried to be friends. We really did, but it always ended in a fight. They became friends in real life in season three, quote. I think somewhere in the course of trying to keep the peace and act like friends, it sort of became true. It felt natural. And once it was natural, well, things just were peaceful.

[Amber]

I can believe that. I feel like it's like once you take the pressure off, it's like, you know, we don't have to be that important.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Exactly.

[Amanda]

We also have to remember that the. The nature of Disney Channel was like, they were pitting all these girls each other, like, already, like, I'm pretty sure, like, Demi and Selena were already in the mix even then. And, like, they're Alice and Stone. They're all competing.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I was thinking about each other and,

[Amanda]

like, Miley's, like, at the time, way, way, way more famous than anybody on Disney Channel at the time. Like, way more famous.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yes.

[Amanda]

Way more Famous than anyone other than the High School Musical kids.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yes.

[Amanda]

And that's saying a lot. No, it is like, Zac Efron very much. Vanessa Hudgens. Like, she. She's the one who is in High School Musical, too. You know what I mean?

[Amber]

Matter of fact, yep.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Hannah Miley was so famous that she was making can't be Tamed in that era of her music, still under a Disney contract. Because it was really like a. To Disney. Because. Yeah, no, I can't be tamed.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I am gonna make this song. I am gonna be doing wild stuff on the floor. I am gonna hit the pole at the Teen Choice Awards, actually. And guess what? I'm gonna show up for work on Monday, and you're not gonna do anything about it, because I am your cash cow. I am your number one, and you know that I hold the cards here. I have the power. And she was running that mouth. She was running that mouse.

[Amanda]

She knew her power.

[Amber]

I feel like she knew how unique she was. She did. How as soon as she was like, you actually can't. You can only control me so far, she, like, started working the system from a young age. She was, like, doing what she wants. I'm gonna do what I want.

[Amanda]

And I. I, like, go back to the. The, like, dichotomy between, like, Miley and Taylor, like, no shade, because this is, like, literally what they presented to the public. But, like, girls like Miley and Demi were real.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yes.

[Amanda]

They weren't, like, cookie cutter and they weren't clean. But the reason why, like, Selena Gomez is, like, the second most followed person on Instagram is because she did everything by the book. She had a very clean Persona. Same with Taylor Swift. There's just a reason why they have more mass appeal. Like, I'm not saying good or bad. I know what I vibe with.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I'm saying bad, personally. I know what I vibe with personally. I am saying bad. But, yeah, yeah, it doesn't vibe with me personally.

[Amanda]

It doesn't vibe with me because I don't feel like it's authentic. But there is a Persona that is more marketable to the masses, and that is Taylor Swift and Selena versus Miley and Demi. Like, if Miley had. Had. Had. Had done what Disney wanted for the rest of her life and, like, not been herself, I think that she would be, like, like, consistent.

[Amber]

She probably would have gotten a Grammy before Flowers.

[Amanda]

Yeah, she would have gotten a Grammy before Flowers.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah. Definitely could see that as well.

[Amanda]

But I ride for Miley. Like, I've listened to every single one

[Amber]

of her albums, I want to say. Oh, you know. No, go on.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amber]

Well, I was gonna say Back to the 2000. The, the Can't Be Tamed in 2019 Choice Awards.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amber]

She didn't do that much by today's standards.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Absolutely not. Nothing. I'm like, but by.

[Amber]

But by 2000, 2009 standards, like, the Christian has gone wild.

[Sequoia Holmes]

It was literally so crazy because. What is this? What is this Vanity Fair cover? Do you guys remember the 2008 Vanity Fair cover?

[Amber]

Yes, I remember that one.

[Sequoia Holmes]

It featured a 15 year old Miley Cyrus. She is, It's. She has like a. I can understand the upset covering. You know, she has no top on, but she has a blanket covering the top of her. She's kind of hunched over like this. To me, someone who grew up on America's Next Top Model, we'll get back to that. This looks like an America's Next Top Model shoe. You know, like, I'm like, this doesn't give raunchy sexual in any capacity. She's doing the hunch that Tyra is always like, that's fashion. Yeah. Tyra's like, this is sex.

[Amber]

Yeah, this is fashion.

[Sequoia Holmes]

You turn it in. Miley's doing the turn in thing. I said, she's not selling sex. Are you guys dumb? I'm literally, you know, at the time, I'm 13. I'm like, that's obviously not sex. Do you. Have you ever watched America's Next Model? Do you know what? Selling sex. Right?

[Amber]

Like, she's just modeling you very much.

[Sequoia Holmes]

You don't.

[Amanda]

Oh, my God.

[Sequoia Holmes]

But New York Post responded to that cover, ran a front page story with a headline, Miley's shame. Here's wholesome Hannah Montana as you never expected to see her. Disgusting. You're all talking about a 15 year old.

[Amber]

That's too much. Like, I can understand the upset from where we were in the Bible battle of like, you know, she's not wearing enough clothes on the COVID I can understand it. But I also know that it's coming from like, you guys shouldn't even be sexualizing this child at all like that at all. She's really not. She's fully covered. It could have been, it's. Yeah, it could have been the same as like even like a dance studio photo shoot with the scarves all over or something. I don't know.

[Sequoia Holmes]

She's so pale in this image that she looks like she's promoting Twilight.

[Amber]

Yeah. She's the as white as the sheep.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Like, she is as white as the sheep. And it very Much gives an artistic. Like. It doesn't give that. It does not give raunchy at all.

[Amber]

Like a centerfold.

[Amanda]

I'm pretty sure she dyed her hair black. She had just dyed her hair black because she broke it with Nick Jonas and he loved her brown hair, and she wanted to not look like what he liked. And so she was even actually trying to not be attractive.

[Sequoia Holmes]

You know what I mean? I not be 100%. Yeah. She's like, not. That's not the vibe that I'm in right now.

[Amanda]

It was Twilight era.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I mean, it literally was the 2008.

[Amber]

They villainized her in a way that didn't need to be. And I remember being, like, at school after the teen choice words, and all the other kids were like, why was she pole dancing? And I'm like, she didn't.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Just how she stood on the pole for three seconds, she held it far

[Amber]

away from her body and then went down with the microphone and then came back up.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amber]

I'm like, y' all haven't even seen pole dancing.

[Sequoia Holmes]

What are we talking about?

[Amber]

That wasn't said.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I'll show you. Paul dancer right now.

[Amber]

Ridiculous. I've always been like, y' all are doing too much. But then when the marijuana came in. And this is me. Me.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Amber]

I was like. I was like, oh, no drugs. But that was before I came out to California and started smoking marijuana.

[Sequoia Holmes]

You know what I mean?

[Amber]

It's not a big deal.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And I had. I'm from la.

[Amber]

Right. So you're.

[Sequoia Holmes]

The wee thing came out. I said, okay. Right. And what about it? Yeah. I'm like, I wasn't even a Miley Stan at all. But I was like, y' all are dragging it like you're doing too much.

[Amanda]

Sincerely, I was like, more disturbed by the fact that. That she would be hanging around with someone who would leak that video.

[Amber]

That was the conversation.

[Amanda]

Yes.

[Amber]

That we were having in our houses. We were like, who is she around? And also, we thought it was kind of strange.

[Amanda]

She gets too high in it. She takes the. She rips the bong, and then she gets way too high.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Have you guys ever. I don't know if you want to answer this. Feel free not to. Have you ever ripped a bong before?

[Amber]

Several times.

[Sequoia Holmes]

You guys. Yeah. That's some of the highest I've ever been in my life.

[Amber]

You can't really control how the puff of smoke coming into your Amber.

[Amanda]

Amber's an expert smoker. I don't smoke. I literally don't smoke. It hurts. My. My, my Throat. And my friends are like, smoke the bong.

[Amber]

Like, it'll be.

[Amanda]

It won't hurt as much. And that's. That's true.

[Sequoia Holmes]

It doesn't hurt as much.

[Amber]

It doesn't hurt as much.

[Amanda]

It didn't hurt.

[Amber]

Not for someone who doesn't smoke at all.

[Amanda]

No. But it didn't hurt me.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Like.

[Amanda]

Yeah, it felt like, clear. It felt like clear. It felt like cold and cold.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yes. Bubbly and stuff. Okay.

[Amanda]

But then two seconds later. Oh, I'm looking.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Coughing, and the eyes are crazy.

[Amanda]

And we're watching Sweeney Todd.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Of all things to watch after you just ripped a bong.

[Amanda]

That's not the Demon Barber. It was my idea. I was like, it's one of my favorite movies, and neither of my friends have seen it. And then they're like, let's all do the bong.

[Sequoia Holmes]

You are tripping.

[Amanda]

All three of us were tripping.

[Sequoia Holmes]

All three of us were like that.

[Amanda]

We are in. We're in Fleet Street 100. You know what I'm talking about.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Absolutely.

[Amber]

Yeah. Especially the opening credits when it's like, literally, like.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I literally can't imagine.

[Amanda]

No, but I have not ripped a ball. That was, like, my only time I've ever. No, but I can't imagine someone taking video of me.

[Amber]

She shouldn't have been surrounded by people who would leak that.

[Sequoia Holmes]

She didn't have any news leak, did she?

[Amanda]

She had nudes leaked, like, early.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Like, earlier.

[Amanda]

Like 2008, 2007.

[Amber]

Oh, are you thinking of Vanessa Hutchins?

[Amanda]

It wasn't news. It was like, underwear.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

[Amber]

Regardless.

[Amanda]

And I was at the time where I didn't know I was gay, so I was like, I'm just going to check to see that they're not real.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I'm just trying to.

[Amanda]

I'm just gonna check.

[Amber]

I just heard something.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I'm just trying to verify. Just trying to verify the source and

[Amanda]

just trying to verify so I can defend her.

[Sequoia Holmes]

You know what I mean?

[Amanda]

Appropriately at school.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Defend her or shame her appropriately or whatever I need to do. Right, Right. I just need to see, you know,

[Amanda]

And I was always defending. Even if in. Internally, I was like, that's wrong.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

That's against Jesus. I was always trying to, like, defend her because I was like, well, she's God. So.

[Amber]

So, yeah, it was more of a. Like, not enough to go.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Not evangelized.

[Amanda]

Evangelize.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

I've since have a more healthy relationship with my objects of fandom.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay.

[Amber]

Of course.

[Sequoia Holmes]

All right.

[Amber]

Of course.

[Amanda]

Nobody's God.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay.

[Amanda]

You leave the church you can't replace God with Miley Cyrus.

[Amber]

Nobody's God. Nobody's your own.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Not ideally.

[Amber]

Cannot have full control over any situation. Come as they go.

[Amanda]

No one's word is God.

[Amber]

No one's word is. And it might just have a crazy white man behind it controlling everything.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yikes.

[Amber]

You know, probably so. You don't even know if you can trust what.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And that's most of that. Honestly, that's. That's most of them. We're being honest, you guys. I have a fun little game I like to play. We have two fun little games, actually. But the first one little game is called Celebrity Cameos.

[Amanda]

Okay.

[Sequoia Holmes]

As Hannah Montana, faithful watchers, and Stans, I am going to read the long line of an episode. I'll tell you the title of the episode, the season and episode number, as well as the logline.

[Amber]

Okay.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And you tell me who guest stars.

[Amber]

Okay.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay. And that I do have multiple choice options in case you need it.

[Amber]

Okay.

[Sequoia Holmes]

But we'll start.

[Amber]

We'll see how we do this. Okay. I kind of feel a little confident, but I don't want to be too confident.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Season 2, episode 7, the title is My Best Best Friend's Boyfriend. Okay. Okay, here's the log line. Miley's best friend, Lily, has a new boyfriend, Lucas. And Miley starts to feel like she's losing her best friend to their relationship. Lily tries to make amends by setting Miley up on a double date with Luke. Oh, it is Lucas. I thought it was Luca, Lucas's cousin. But it's a bad match. When Miley discovers that Lucas is cheating on Lily, Miley needs proof. She arranges for her, and Lily dresses their famous alter egos, Hannah and Lola, to run into Lucas at a restaurant, hoping to catch him in the act.

[Amber]

Yep, I know who it is.

[Sequoia Holmes]

There are two guest stars.

[Amber]

Okay.

[Sequoia Holmes]

In this episode. Okay. Do you want to. Do you want to try to give me one?

[Amber]

It's Sterling Knight.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay.

[Amber]

Okay.

[Sequoia Holmes]

All right.

[Amber]

Who plays Lucas?

[Amanda]

Okay. And. And then I was gonna say Austin Butler.

[Sequoia Holmes]

All right, you're. It is Austin Butler. It is Austin Butler, but I see how you get there, because Sterling Knight is right there.

[Amber]

He's in it too.

[Sequoia Holmes]

No, he's not. It's not. You want to know who the other guest star is, though?

[Amber]

Give me a hint.

[Amanda]

Well, I think he is in that episode, but he's not the one that we're talking.

[Amber]

Okay.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Oh, he wasn't a celebrity at the time. He was in Hannah Montana to a degree, wasn't he?

[Amanda]

He was in Sunny With a chance.

[Amber]

But it was before. This was before Sunny with a Chance, right?

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amber]

And Starstruck.

[Amanda]

Aston Butler.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I'm right. Yeah, you're right.

[Amber]

Okay.

[Sequoia Holmes]

It was. He plays the cousin who Miley hates because he's. He gets scared by the movie and they're watching.

[Amanda]

Yes. Okay.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And then the other person is someone who plays themselves. They're older. They're waiting for a table.

[Amber]

Larry David.

[Amanda]

Yes.

[Amber]

Okay.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And Larry David.

[Amber]

Yes.

[Sequoia Holmes]

There's the other guest star in that episode.

[Amber]

That's that episode.

[Sequoia Holmes]

That's that episode.

[Amanda]

David and Austin Butler on the same episode.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah. Isn't that funny?

[Amanda]

I think of those, like, moments separately.

[Amber]

Separately all the time.

[Amanda]

But I was. As soon as you pick. You said double date. I was like Austin Butler.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yep. You knew.

[Amber]

My God. As soon as you said Lucas, I was like Sterling Knight.

[Sequoia Holmes]

So he must have played Lucas. So. Okay, okay, okay. So you're right. So you both were right, actually. Okay, so we'll give you.

[Amanda]

I think, like, Sterling Knight is a celebrity on Disney, right?

[Sequoia Holmes]

He was not a celebrity at the time. He did.

[Amber]

He was in one of the. Disney.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Star Trek.

[Amber]

Yep.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Starstruck. I remember. Yep.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Love Starstruck. That was actually an underrated dcom for me.

[Amanda]

Enemies to.

[Amber]

Oh, it's a really good fan.

[Amanda]

Side note, the enemies to lovers thing that happened with Sterling Knight and Demi Lotto on Sunday With a Chance. My. One of my favorite same.

[Sequoia Holmes]

You know what? I actually really didn't like Sunny with a Chance.

[Amanda]

I didn't really like it.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And I love Demi. Demi. I was a demi girl between the three of them. I was a demi girl. And I did not.

[Amanda]

I didn't like the show. I did like that relationship.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay. I don't know.

[Amber]

Exactly. Sunny with a Chance was a little more like. It seemed like Nick toony coated. And I think it was because I get that.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Whoa. It did feel Nick Tunes.

[Amanda]

It was slapstick. I mean, it was like as if they were all that.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amber]

So.

[Sequoia Holmes]

But like, not even so random. Yeah, it's too random. Oh. Was their answer for. And all that. Yeah. They tried. They did what they could.

[Amber]

They did it.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Y' all ready for the next one?

[Amber]

Yes.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay. For this one, there are three.

[Amanda]

Three.

[Amber]

Okay. Okay.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Season 2 Episode 29 we're all on this Date Together. Oh, okay. Hannah Montana participates in a celebrity charity date auction and ends up being the object of a bidding war between her school adversary, Rico and her middle school crush, Johnny. In order to raise the most money, the auctioneer decides she'll go on a charity date with Both of them. Who is in this episode? Let me know if you need multiple choice options.

[Amber]

Should we say the first one together?

[Sequoia Holmes]

Corbin Blue, period.

[Amber]

Johnny.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yep. He plays Johnny.

[Amanda]

Oh, my God.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Now the other two are older.

[Amanda]

Okay, wait, is there multiple choice?

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yes. Do you want some multiple choice before

[Amber]

you say it is Rob Reiner in this episode?

[Sequoia Holmes]

No.

[Amber]

Okay, yes.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Give us the Rob Reiner. It is somebody with an alliterative name.

[Amber]

Oh.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And it is rr.

[Amber]

Oh.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay. You know what? You might not recognize. You might not recognize this person, but I feel like you probably do.

[Amber]

Okay.

[Sequoia Holmes]

He's from. Do you want me to tell you what show he's from? Yes. Everybody Loves Raymond.

[Amanda]

Raymond.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yes. Ray Romano is in this episode. He plays the first celebrity up for the auction, but no one knows or cares who he is.

[Amanda]

Is it. Is the other one? No.

[Sequoia Holmes]

It is so funny.

[Amanda]

It looked like Joey.

[Amber]

No, no, that's a different. That's a baseball one.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay, you ready?

[Amanda]

It's the multiple choice.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

The auctioneer.

[Amber]

The auctioneer.

[Sequoia Holmes]

The auctioneer is somebody.

[Amanda]

I don't like this episode, first off.

[Amber]

I know.

[Amanda]

It stresses me out.

[Amber]

It is really stressful, okay. Because Johnny's. And like, Hannah, why are you a monster? Because Rico's annoying her the entire time.

[Sequoia Holmes]

It's.

[Amber]

It's too much.

[Amanda]

The auctioneer.

[Sequoia Holmes]

We talked. We talked about him earlier briefly. He was mentioned briefly in this episode by one of you. It wasn't by me.

[Amanda]

He was mentioned.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yep. Just.

[Amanda]

And just briefly as being on Hannah Montana.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Not sure what the context was. I can't remember.

[Amanda]

Oh, Donny Osmond.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yes. Donny Osmond was the auctioneer.

[Amanda]

Yes.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah, Donny Osmond was on that. We ain't even had to do no multiple choice yet.

[Amanda]

They did.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Y' all really eating. The next two are going to be easier because there's just one. Okay. Cameo.

[Amber]

Okay.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Season four, episode seven, Killing Me Softly. With his height, Miley starts dating someone shorter than her to prove that the height difference doesn't bother her. Lie. Meanwhile, Miley's brother Jackson enters into a weird indentured servitude thing with their neighbor, Mr. Don Sig, because he needs a letter of recommendation to get into college. Okay, there is a celebrity guest in this who plays Mr. Don Sig's cousin.

[Amber]

Oh, is it? No.

[Amanda]

Y', all.

[Sequoia Holmes]

This person is in the cultural zeitgeist heavy right at this second. She is much older and she is heavy in the culture. Do you guys reality TV at all is.

[Amber]

Oh, oh, oh. It's Lisa Rinna.

[Sequoia Holmes]

It's Lisa Rinna.

[Amber]

Yes, yes.

[Amanda]

Girl, I didn't know anything about out reality tv.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay.

[Amber]

Lisa Rinna pops up so randomly.

[Amanda]

Yes.

[Amber]

She's also in an episode of Big Time Rush.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yes.

[Amber]

As James's mom.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Lisa Rinna has been acting since like 1992.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Like she has what I recently learned she's a housewife. For those of you who don't know, she was also on this most recent season of Traitor. She was a traitor with Rob Rouse.

[Amanda]

So she's been. So she's been an actor before? Being a house.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yes, she was. She's been an actor. I can't remember her husband's name, but

[Amber]

I saw a picture of him and I was like, oh, I've seen.

[Amanda]

Seen him in. Yes.

[Amber]

I don't know his name.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yes. I can't remember his name. But she uses his first and last name. Like she always references him by first and last name.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay. I don't know. I don't Housewife. So I don't know the lore, but

[Amber]

really happy you're happy with it though.

[Sequoia Holmes]

If you like it. I love it, mama. Wow.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

So Lisa Rena is in an episode last one, season four, episode nine, I'll always remember you. In this Hannah Montana finale, the threads of Miley's double life come undone when her boyfriend slguitarist finds out his girlfriend Miley Stewart is the same person as Hannah Montana. Colleges are also quick to pass up Miley as an applicant, claiming she, quote, doesn't have enough extracurriculars. Absurd. Miley decides it's finally time to retire the wig and step into the world as herself.

[Amanda]

They basically said she's a loser.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Pretty much. Again with the again. Dark hair is not good.

[Amanda]

What you been doing?

[Sequoia Holmes]

If you were blonde, we would have let you in the comments knowledge, but.

[Amanda]

Right.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Because you a brunette, you're not getting it.

[Amanda]

Exactly. Okay, Amber, on three. One, two, three.

[Amber]

Jay Leno.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay, it might be. That's not who I got on here

[Amber]

because he's the show. She goes on his show.

[Sequoia Holmes]

So this person appears as a stress dream hallucination on Miley's drive home across the country from dropping Lily off at college. Oh.

[Amanda]

Oh, Amber, you just watched the this episode.

[Amber]

I did. And now I can't think. Is it a man?

[Sequoia Holmes]

It is a man. He's old. He has a daytime talk show. A daytime had or has a daytime talk show?

[Amber]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I don't. I don't have Jaylen O listed here. Okay.

[Amanda]

She goes on Jay Leno. Okay. The wig off.

[Sequoia Holmes]

All right.

[Amber]

It is do Dr. I remember him Being. I can see him in talking to Miley Stewart. I just don't remember that episode like that scene now. But I thought it was weird when he was on it.

[Amanda]

I don't like Dr. Phil.

[Sequoia Holmes]

No, we don't like Dr. We don't. We don't like Jay Leno.

[Amanda]

I'm sorry.

[Amber]

We don't like.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I don't know what Jay has done,

[Amber]

but he's just kind of annoying.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I know that Dr. Field and did some stuff.

[Amber]

Yeah. Did some stuff.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Most prevalently, aside from being Trumpy, is unleash bad baby on us. Oh, your fault, Dr. Phil. And you.

[Amber]

Crazy work.

[Amanda]

Crazy work.

[Sequoia Holmes]

You will forever be indebted.

[Amber]

What a platform to have given to someone.

[Sequoia Holmes]

What you've done to the world.

[Amber]

That's.

[Sequoia Holmes]

That's. That's evil stuff. You're ready for one more game? Yes. Okay.

[Amanda]

I usually don't like games.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Really? Oh, my God. You're not a game girl. I'm not a game.

[Amber]

Whoa. I love games.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I love a game. So bad. Gemini, actually. Okay.

[Amanda]

Not Gemini's double life. Secret life.

[Amber]

Oh, well, look at that.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Best of both worlds.

[Amber]

At the end of the day, you get the limo. Wild front. Yes.

[Sequoia Holmes]

So we're gonna play the game Hannah or Miley. I'm gonna read you a lyric and you tell me. Oh, is it Hannah? Yes.

[Amber]

Yes.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Not the sitting up. Getting ready in the chair. This one. We'll start off easy. We'll get harder as. As things go.

[Amber]

Okay.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I kind of want to play along because I don't. I don't have the. I do have the answers now. Now I just looked at the answers. Now I know too much. Okay. You go to movie premieres. Is that Orlando Bloom? You hear your song on the radio. Oh, whoa. Living two lives is a little weird. Yes. But school's cool because nobody knows.

[Announcer]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

So that's best of both worlds.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay.

[Amanda]

Hannah Montana.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay. All right.

[Amber]

I'm laughing at you not singing.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I'm trying not to sing now. Like, I'm actively fighting it. I'm actually trying not to sing them. Okay, I'm gonna get a little bit harder. A little quicker here. I know just what you came here for, and I want to hear you scream and more. Get on your feet. You know you can't resist. Yeah, let's do this.

[Amber]

It's Hannah.

[Amanda]

It's.

[Amber]

Let's do this.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Damn it. Why did I say that last part? That's why. I should have left that out.

[Amanda]

No, I was that. I'm. I'm sitting on my hands, trying not

[Amber]

to interrupt When I was. When let's do this came out on Disney Channel, I was like, this will be the song of season three that I like. It was like one of the.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I like that one too. Yeah. Let's do this as a good one.

[Amanda]

Yeah, I like that one.

[Sequoia Holmes]

There's no holding back Hanging right on track because you control the game so let them know your name no limitations or imaginations Imagination. Who said it?

[Amanda]

Isn't that Hannah? It's. It's.

[Amber]

There's no holding. Just like you. No, it's not.

[Amanda]

That's Hannah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

It's Hannah. All right.

[Amber]

Everything I've always wanted Living a dream yeah Just like you It's Hannah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

That is Hannah. Ding. Yeah. Every week's the same Stuck in school, so lame. My parents say that I'm lazy getting up at 8am Crazy.

[Amanda]

Who gets up at 8am I'm sorry. If you're going to school, you're getting tired.

[Amber]

You're getting.

[Sequoia Holmes]

You get up at 8, you're going. You're getting to school at 10.

[Amanda]

Whoever wrote this song, whatever man, wrote the song and gave it to her

[Sequoia Holmes]

didn't understand and probably had kids.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Let's keep it in mind.

[Amber]

Also probably getting out of bed didn't

[Sequoia Holmes]

give a damn what time his kids.

[Amanda]

Right? Well, that's breakout.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Break out by Miley.

[Sequoia Holmes]

All right. All right, y'.

[Amanda]

All.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Okay.

[Amber]

We both did music videos, so that's why I played.

[Sequoia Holmes]

You did separate music videos? Yeah. Why?

[Amber]

I did one with a friend.

[Amanda]

We weren't getting along.

[Amber]

We weren't friends at that age.

[Amanda]

We. We were. We came like this to each other with. With the content, but then with our friends was like, in the playroom, we

[Amber]

were glued to the same thing on the television screen. But we were also, like, we just going to talk about it with our friends and be the fangirls of that friend.

[Amanda]

That's why I say my secret life, like, my secret identity was my fangirl life with Amber. Like, at school, it's like, yes, sure, I'm talking about it. Whatever, Whatever. But my secret life is like, I'm going to concerts with Amber. I'm going to Jonas Brothers.

[Amber]

And in the summertime, it was like, we are going to Comic Con together. And then it's like our own little world. And then we would go back to school, and no one really kind of gets why we're kind of hysterical over a certain topic. And that's fine because we had each

[Amanda]

other's channel games and no one's at school's talking bad. That's fine.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Right.

[Amanda]

It's the summer, but it's the biggest deal that happened to me this summer.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

You know, I get that.

[Amber]

And then later in life, we were like, we should just fan girl together.

[Amanda]

Wow.

[Sequoia Holmes]

So what was the age? What was the. What was the ages when.

[Amanda]

When the distance began and when I turned 16 and got my license.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Of course. Of course.

[Amber]

It was driving us to school.

[Sequoia Holmes]

100. When you got. When you all came back together. Yeah. Oh, okay.

[Amanda]

So we were driving to school because we had to agree on the music. And then, like, I had to agree to listen to One Direction because that was Amber's hyper fixation.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Whoa.

[Amanda]

And then we just sort of like, we use cultural exchange.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah, sure.

[Amanda]

And then, like, we listen One Direction, then we would listen to the Captain America Winter Soldier score. Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Wow.

[Amber]

Yep.

[Amanda]

That's when we.

[Sequoia Holmes]

So there is something to, like being too close in age, y' all think?

[Amber]

Yeah, well, yeah.

[Amanda]

Because, I mean, we were fighting so much.

[Amber]

It was like, really?

[Sequoia Holmes]

I never guess this from y'. All.

[Amber]

Because if you are trying to live your life.

[Amanda]

Yeah. We. We still fight to fight.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Right.

[Amber]

Before. We did.

[Sequoia Holmes]

We did.

[Amber]

But, like, when you're trying to figure out your own adolescence, if someone is right there next to you for sure. Whether, like, I mean, I'm like, why are you acting like you're so much older? And Amanda's like, you don't get what I'm saying yet.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Because theoretically, you were like 2 years 16 and 14 or a 10 and 12 or 12 and 14 there. It's a big difference.

[Amanda]

No, I don't want to play dolls with you.

[Sequoia Holmes]

It's like, oh, you're so annoying. Why don't you want to play dolls? You think you're better than me? You think you're grown, right?

[Amber]

It was like an over overnight thing because we were so close, and Amanda was like, nat, the lens has left. And I'm like, but I'm still here. Where did you go?

[Sequoia Holmes]

Right?

[Amber]

And then vice versa.

[Amanda]

But now we still. We get into fights because we're sisters, but, like, we have better conflict resolution. Sure.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I know that was hard for an Aries to learn.

[Amanda]

And I'm an Aries Mars, too.

[Amber]

And I'm a Gemini and, you know.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

And a Gemini Mars.

[Sequoia Holmes]

She's also a Gemini and you're a Gemini Mars. Oh, my God.

[Amanda]

Yeah, it's like, oh, my God.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Y' all are so scary.

[Amber]

Like, it's literally like Zuko and Aang season one.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Oh, my goodness. I don't know that reference. It's Avatar. I do know it's Avatar. Yeah. Thank you very much.

[Amber]

It's just air and fire.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I knew that much.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

It's just like wind chaos, throwing the flames everywhere. Keep it chaotic.

[Amber]

Yes.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Terrified wind throwing the flames everywhere is exactly what it is. That's what it is. As an only child, I'm. I'm like, so in awe of especially sister dynamics. And so I'm like, oh, my God. Having a sister just seems like it must be peachy like this all.

[Amanda]

If you're really close, that also means that you're fighting all the time. Like, if you're not fighting, honestly, that means that you're not that close.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amber]

Yeah. I mean, because I feel like they say that about, like, marriages. They're like, you guys have to be communicating. You can't be on the same page all the time. If you are, one of you is not communicating.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And that takes us back to Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey, because you remember in that interview recently?

[Amber]

Recently, know what happened?

[Sequoia Holmes]

Taylor or Travis, I don't remember which one of them said it said that they don't fight. They're like, yeah, we don't fight. I'm like, tell us that you're a PR relationship without telling us you're a PR relationship. Why would you say that out loud?

[Amber]

That's not a flex. One of you is not on the same. One of you or both of you are not on the same page.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Hello. And I've been telling y', all, he likes yes, black women. Yes.

[Amanda]

My favorite tick tock sound for sisters is, no, I didn't ding back.

[Amber]

Listen.

[Amanda]

And it's like always, like, when your friends make the mistake of going out to drinks with you, with you and your sister.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Oh, my God. I saw something like that. Comfortable. I just saw a tik tok. That was like, when my friends from school see me act up with my sister at home by accident.

[Amber]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I have to, like, calm everything down and act normal again.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

It's like. I'm like, no. Yeah, that wasn't crazy.

[Amanda]

Yeah, it wasn't crazy.

[Sequoia Holmes]

No, I wasn't doing anything crazy. That's not who I am. That's really not who I am. Okay, I just choked her a little bit. I didn't choke her crate.

[Amber]

You know what I mean?

[Sequoia Holmes]

Anything that crazy.

[Amber]

We were. We were babies together.

[Sequoia Holmes]

So, like, get your finger out of my face.

[Amber]

Right.

[Amanda]

Like, it literally is like that.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah, that's. That's funny.

[Amber]

The chemistry. I simply will act most primal around the people who are in my house.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Very much that you Know my, my innermost self at the end.

[Amber]

You've seen me at my worst and my best.

[Sequoia Holmes]

I don't really have anything else for Hannah Montana. Is there anything that I did not cover that y' all would like to give a moment to?

[Amber]

Hannah Montana?

[Amanda]

I just want to take a moment to say that this 20 years is for us. You know, we'll have the 20 year anniversary. That's the official one on Disney. And I feel like that's for Miley to, like, look back and, you know, get out whatever she wants to get off her chest. But equally, I feel like it's about the fans too, because unlike some of the other things on Disney Channel, we did get the chance to gather as a fandom at concerts, like at listening parties. Like, music does, like, bring us together in a way. And so I hope that we can all use this 20th anniversary to, like, reflect and like, this. Things like this. And like, we're gonna have our Hannah Montana episode come out on the anniversary too. So hopefully, you know, it's cathartic.

[Amber]

Yeah. I will say, I think, yes, it's for us. And what Miley's doing is for Miley, because Hannah means obviously something huge to her. And I feel like I'm just appreciative that they're even acknowledging at all that there's something happening. Because there were the dark years where Miley went on SNL and was like, hannah's dead and that's her prerogative because, you know, she was feeling that.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amber]

But I can't say that while I respected it, I understood it because she didn't want to be connected to it. I was also kind of sad. I was like, well, don't say that.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Right? Say something else. Don't say that.

[Amber]

That's my childhood. And so I am glad that whatever happens, we're seeing her have a good time with it. Because I think we did grow up with a generation that were learning a lot of the stars that were the object of our fandoms when we were younger were not treated very well and did not get their accolades and were not being paid well, maybe even and just didn't have great experiences. We've got books, we've got audiobooks, and we've got a bunch of different interviews and podcasts about it. And so I think it'll be nice for us all to be like, here's how Miley feels comfortable and empowered interacting with it.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yep.

[Amber]

And we will receive it and also celebrate it ourselves however we need, period.

[Amanda]

I'll be sitting around the tv, watching it. I will be listening to Hannah Montana.

[Amber]

I will blasting the CD all month.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And just as a reminder, black girls did in fact Hannah Montana. I remember who I'm dressed as is now. You remember the black girl who won the Hannah Montana look alike contest?

[Amanda]

Yes.

[Sequoia Holmes]

And all the white girls were so mad.

[Amber]

Come on.

[Sequoia Holmes]

That's who I'm dressed as. Yes. And I hope that she was invited to the reunion. I'm sure she wasn't. And we'll see what the crowd looks like.

[Amber]

Yeah, I was in.

[Amanda]

I wasn't in a look alike, but I did do like one of those Hannah Montana singing competitions.

[Amber]

And she blew those white girls out the water.

[Amanda]

And I didn't win.

[Amber]

But she did blue. Now she did nobody. And she blew those white girls out the water. One of them did the other side. No. Make some noise. Which I love the song, but it was slow. It was not a captivating performance.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amber]

And then the other girl did lice. What you make it. But it was more like toddlers and tiaras esque.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amber]

This is me judging as like a 9 year old when Amanda did it when she was 11.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yep.

[Amber]

And I was like, Amanda should have won.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah, I believe that. I definitely know. I know that's true.

[Amber]

Hannah Montana is for us.

[Amanda]

It's for us.

[Amber]

It's for us.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah, like this. Okay, well, that's it for the show today. Amber, Amanda, please tell the folks about your show where they can find you any exciting projects that you have coming up.

[Amber]

Yes. So what we got?

[Amanda]

I'm Amanda.

[Amber]

I'm Amber.

[Amanda]

We are fangirl central, where being a

[Amber]

fan girl is central to our identity.

[Amanda]

We have a new show called Destination Fangirls. The first episode was with Lucas Graybiel for the High School Musical 20th anniversary. And you can find that on our YouTube at Fangirl Central. And the next episode is coming out in a week on the 20th anniversary of Hannah Montana. And it's all about Hannah Montana. And so, yeah, we're taking a look back at the fandoms that mean the most to us. And as fangirls who might not be represented in the media that we love. Black, queer, femme, marginalized. So if that sounds like fun to y', all, come on over and hang out with us. We're fangirl central everywhere.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yes.

[Amber]

Yes.

[Sequoia Holmes]

That sounds fun to me. We'll be checking it out. Yeah, y' all have been killing it. The Lucas Graveya clips smacked y' all dancing in front of that man. So funny.

[Amanda]

I blacked out. I'm so glad it's on video. Because I would not have earned.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Remember, you were. Y' all were killing it, too.

[Amber]

I'm like, we have to show you that we know these dances. Please don't.

[Amanda]

We were like, captioning.

[Sequoia Holmes]

He felt so into it, too. Like, he was, like an active participant. He was happy to be there.

[Amanda]

He was being Kenny Ortega.

[Sequoia Holmes]

He was.

[Amber]

He was being the Kenny or he

[Sequoia Holmes]

was giving y' all notes and how you can, like, do it like this and stuff. I was. I was living. I was living for the clips.

[Amanda]

So crazy. And he's got. His voice is just as good in person.

[Amber]

Yeah. Like, still really, like a theater adult. He a theater kid. He's an adult.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Wow.

[Amanda]

He was saying it.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Wow. And he did confirm that Ryan was gay.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Sequoia Holmes]

On your show.

[Amber]

Ryan.

[Amanda]

Exactly.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Ryan from High School Musical. Gravel played Ryan. And he did confirm that he was, in fact.

[Amber]

Surely is.

[Amanda]

Sure.

[Sequoia Holmes]

Yeah.

[Amber]

Surely is.

[Sequoia Holmes]

As we knew. That's it for this episode. If you want to check us out on YouTube, you can go to Black People Love Paramore. Type in the search bar. You know how to find it. We are everywhere else. You can look, listen to podcasts, Spotify, all that. You can always comment. The Spotify comments lately have been going off. I love talking to y' all in the Spotify comments. It's very fun. You can listen to us everywhere. But you can also watch video on YouTube and Spotify and soon you can watch it on Apple podcast as well, because they're rolling out an integration where you can do that. So I'll see you soon. You'll see me soon. You can call me Hannah Montana going forward or Hannah See Montana or the black girl who won the Hannah Montana lookalike contest because she very much did look like Hannah Montana. And that's it. You can find us across social media platforms at BPLP Pod and I'll see you next time. Bye.