Twilight

Summary

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Black People Love Paramore – Episode: “Twilight”

Host: Sequoia Holmes
Co-host: Ryann Graham
Date: October 16, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of Black People Love Paramore dives deep (and hilariously) into the world of Twilight, examining its cultural impact, unforgettable quirks, and unique resonance with Black millennials. Sequoia and Ryann reminisce about the books, movies, fandom, and soundtracks, while unpacking problematic elements, favorite moments, and how Twilight changed the pop culture landscape for an entire generation.

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Main Themes & Discussion Points

1. Twilight Nostalgia and First Impressions

• The hosts recall their tween and teen years when Twilight mania took over.
• Both discuss their introduction to the series: Sequoia was a fangirl from the books’ first release; Ryann discovered it with the movies.
• Shared coming-of-age memories: midnight premieres, friend groups, and Twilight-inspired fashion.
  • Quote:
    “It, like, ravaged my middle school. Like, we were taking turns with them books. Like, we was pressing people. Are you done yet? You read so slow. Oh my God.” – Sequoia [16:27]

2. Book vs. Movie: Adaptation Highs and Lows

• The hosts debate the strengths and failings of the movies versus the books.

• The awkwardness of Kristen Stewart’s Bella vs. Sequoia’s vision from the novel.

• Casting: Robert Pattinson as the perfect Edward, Taylor Lautner’s trajectory from Sharkboy to Jacob, and the ever-controversial Jasper.

  • Quote:
    “…a hyperventilating. Can't form a coherent sentence to save her damn life. Can't make eye contact. Hair in front of her face. Kristen Stewart. As my Bella.” – Sequoia [25:26]

• Disappointment over the limited diversity and the dreaded wigs on Black characters.

3. Twilight’s Cultural & Social Impact

• Reference to the upcoming 20th anniversary re-release in theaters ([13:51]).

• How Twilight popularized Hot Topic and mainstreamed “alt” aesthetics.

  • Quote:
    “Hot Topic was more of like a dark Spencers. If you were to go into a Hot Topic, you were like a scene kid in a way where I think Twilight made it more mainstream.” – Ryann [46:41]

• Parallels drawn between Twilight/Harry Potter and earlier pop culture, noting how the Internet and social media amplified fandom.

  • Quote:
    “Fandom before that, I would say, was band specific… But not like, oh, this franchise I'm obsessed with.” – Sequoia [76:53]

4. Vampire Lore & Twilight’s Innovations

• Playful critique of how Twilight reshaped vampire rules: sparkling in the sun vs. burning, “vegetarian” vampires, and individualized superpowers.
  • Quote:
    “I feel like original vampire lore is like stakes, wooden stakes. Garlic… can't be out in the sunlight because they burn. And these ones…”
    – Sequoia [52:34]
• Nod to the absurd: Edward’s powers (“creepy”), Jasper’s Confederate background, and the bizarre Renesmee CGI baby.

5. Memorable Soundtrack & Emo Bangers

• Praise for the Twilight soundtracks (Paramore’s “Decode,” Muse’s “Supermassive Black Hole,” Christina Perri’s “A Thousand Years”).
  • Quote:
    “Paramore's Decode. Yeah. Came from this soundtrack.” – Ryann [48:23]
  • Singalongs and nostalgia for 2000s emo alt music and its connection to the movies.

6. Team Edward vs. Team Jacob

• Sequoia: fiercely Team Edward; Ryann: argues for Jacob’s warmth and loving energy.

• They roast Edward’s controlling behavior and the problematic plotline of Jacob imprinting on Renesmee.

  • Quote:
    “Edward was obsessed with her in a bad way… He couldn’t live without her…” – Sequoia [55:09]
  • Quote:
    “He imprinted on a whole baby.” – Sequoia [57:15]

• Recognition of both sides’ issues, but with playful allegiance to their faves.

7. Casting, Representation, & Character Critiques

• Favorite and least favorite characters:
  • Ryann’s pick: Jasper for his powers (but later questions the Confederate tie).
  • Sequoia: Edward and a fleeting, funny appreciation for Charlie, Bella’s dad.
• High school friends and other Cullens rated expendable.
• Discussion of the lack of Black characters and problematic depictions (the “dreaded wig” and villain roles).

8. Twilight Fandom, Legacy, and Cultural Shelf Life

• The series’ persistent popularity due to simultaneous book and movie releases during the rise of online fandom.

• Massive box office achievements ([67:10]): $7 million in midnight ticket sales; sequels breaking further records.

  • Quote:
    “Day one. Midnight showings alone, $7 million.” – Sequoia [67:15]

• Comparison between Twilight’s enduring relevance and 1980s teen movie classics.

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Notable Quotes

• “I am team Edward. It's just… his perspective was boring. Yeah, it's actively creepy.” – Sequoia [02:44]
• “It's a specific kind of hot… it's almost a kink. It's actually community.” – Ryann [12:04]
• “Movies had soundtracks, man. And it was a good soundtrack.” – Sequoia [51:09]
• “You got porn at your fingertips… My computer froze and so I couldn't, I couldn't exit out quick enough. And it was, it was moaning through the street.” – Ryann [23:10]

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Funniest/Boldest Moments

• The Renesmee CGI baby compared to Megan (from the horror film) [18:50]
• Ryan’s stories about sneaking porn on the family computer and trying to blame it on his dad [21:41]
• The epic recounting of high school, awkward fashion, and Team Edward/Team Jacob allegiance
• Dragging Twilight for “changing vampire rules” and making them sparkle [52:34]
• Amusing speculation: which celebrities are likely to be “real vampires”—naming Sabrina Carpenter, Billie Eilish, Nicole Kidman [64:12]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:09 — Midnight Sun and “leaked” Stephanie Meyer prequel
• 07:19 — Transition to major Twilight discussion
• 13:51 — Theatrical re-release announcement
• 25:26 — Critiquing the movie cast, especially Kristen Stewart
• 46:10 — Hot Topic, commercialization, and Twilight’s “scene kid” impact
• 48:23 — Soundtrack appreciation (Paramore, Muse)
• 52:34 — Twilight’s take on traditional vampire lore
• 55:01 — Team Edward vs. Team Jacob debate
• 67:10 — Box office success: midnight showings and records

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Wrap-Up & Final Thoughts

• Twilight is praised for its generational impact, outsized fandom, and unique take on teen fantasy, even as the hosts drag its weirdness and flaws.
• The conversation highlights how the book-to-film machine started with Harry Potter, then escalated with Twilight, and why both remain entrenched among old and new fans alike.
• Sequoia and Ryann close the episode with playful banter about superpowers, vampire myth, celebrity “vampires,” and the deep question: what does it say about you to be Team Edward or Team Jacob?
  • Quote:
    “Same with like if you're a Team Edward of Team Jacob. I think Telling, telling, telling.” – Ryann [79:22]

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Bottom Line

This episode is a must-listen for anyone feeling bittersweet nostalgia for Twilight, interested in Black millennial pop culture commentary, and craving a side of sharp humor with their vampire lore. The hosts blend silliness and insight, celebrating the good (the friendships, the soundtracks, the fan fervor) while never shying away from calling out the bad and the just plain bizarre in this iconic saga.

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Transcript

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Welcome to Black People Love Paramore, a pop culture podcast. Not about the band Paramore, but about the common and uncommon interests of black people in order to help us feel a little bit more seen. I'm doing it for you. I'm doing it for childhood me. I love that. At the end of the day, you know, I'm Sequoia.

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And I'm Ryan.

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That's Ryan. But as you guys know, five stars in this.

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Amen.

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If you're gonna rate and review, which I do beg that you do. Five stars. Us. Never ending midnight. It's not close. That's what's confusing.

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That was. That was a different.

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Even if you took it down, you're taking liberties.

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A never ending mid. Mid. No.

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A never ending midnight. Sir. No. What is that? Is it hot? Yeah. Guys, what is happening?

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What is happening? You're stressing me out.

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It's a never ending midnight sun. A never ending midnight sun. There we go. Okay. Yeah.

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So the thing is, is that I need to hear it.

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Yes.

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You didn't know.

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You didn't know the song.

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I did.

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You were. You were quite literally doing. Doing whatever the hell. Midnight. Exactly.

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You just got to put me on key.

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Yeah, I'm trying. I was. I was in fact trying. And. And you weren't quite hearing me.

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You know what? You know what my favorite Midnight sun is? The. The Midnight sun of the Twilight Saga. Wow. I. You know, I'm not going to lie. I did not read it. I did not read the Night. I think Zara was inspired by Edward. I think she. I like.

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Is it called Midnight Sun?

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Yes.

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That prequel.

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The fifth. Yeah. I guess it's not even really a pre. I don't know how.

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I actually don't know what it is. I actually don't remember. I did. I remember reading it like I found the leaked one on. Or maybe Stephanie Meyer put it on our blog or something. But I remember reading it cuz it.

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What happened was.

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I remember that.

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Well, it's the first book from Edward.

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Oh, it's from Perspective.

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Why would I. Why would I need that? I don't care.

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I mean, I am team Edward. It just. His perspective was boring.

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Yeah, it's creepy.

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It was weird.

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It was boring.

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It was.

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It's actively creepy.

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It was definitely weird. Yeah. I was like, no, I actually don't like this.

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I never read it, but I can imagine. It's like, damn, this smells so good. I can't wait to buy it to.

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Get her bloody ass.

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Is that some third day of our period? I'm about to eat that up.

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That's what he was giving. That's what he was giving. Yeah. No, I, I, I personally didn't like that. Before we get into Twilight, though. Yes. Tell me your white. Your white person song of the Your white black.

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My white black. Yes, your white black.

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Yeah. Right.

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Yeah. The Sponsored by Hey now. Okay. That'll be fun. They'll kind of eat the ore. Would they do that?

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It's triggering for me.

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We can reclaim it. It's like I can say it.

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I know that the word really does shock you. It shocks me every single time. Every single time. I'm like, I'm one of this. How, how like my white friends feel when they go on my close friends and I'm saying probably, you know, like anytime I like go, you say it or I'm in somebody else's close friends.

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And they, they said they're dropping the other wild stuff. I'm like, wow, is that what it's.

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Mommy, I want to go home. I'm scared. I don't know. They're scaring me.

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Fair, Fair. I get that. No, it is. I imagine that.

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How does it feel to be doubly oppressed?

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I love it. I love that I can walk into any room. I can say and. And what are you gonna do about it? It's delicious. I. I can say it all. Yeah, baby. My white song of the week. Yeah. My white song of the week. It's called Gusto. Gusto. I think it might have been my same one as last time. No.

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And last time. I actually don't remember what he said, but.

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Okay. So his name is Boko Ute.

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I'm about to find mine as you're talking. I'm listening. Yes.

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He is like this. He's like from Europe, I think maybe even Sweden. It is a black man, but it's like very punk rock and it's called Gusto. His whole album's also so, so, so fun. I'm.

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I like it.

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It. Have you heard it?

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No, I like the way it sounds. A black alt moment.

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Can I just play you a little taste?

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Of course.

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It's. Oh, not you.

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Okay.

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Not you. Getting.

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I burped my laqua and it came through my nose.

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That's cuz it's chemical.

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That sounds up my alley.

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Right? I'm going to send it to you. You're going to love him. He's very, very good.

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Oh my goodness.

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What's yours?

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What's your or mine is. I just found it. This is actually black people as well. But it, it's Nostalgic. I'll play a little bit of it and you tell me if you recognize it.

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Jada Pinkett Smith.

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Why'd you just text me?

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Wait, you threw me with black people. I think I know that song.

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Oh, yeah? Who you think it is?

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But that's. Black is where I'm. You lost me. I don't realize that they were black.

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Say black person as the front person who is very famous. Who you know. Everybody knows a famous black person. Yes.

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Who sang me. Is it Donald Glover?

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No, but that's a good guess.

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It feels like something he might do.

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Yeah.

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Then maybe I don't know this song.

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The year is around. If I had to guess, the year is probably around 2008.

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2008. It can't be. Gym Class Heroes.

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Then.

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I don't know this song. That song sounds mad familiar. But I can't think of another black person fronting a band. Unless you're thinking of like Maroon 5 had a black drummer. No, a black facing.

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So this person is historically a solo musician. Producer, actually.

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That's why I know it. Okay.

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Yeah. That is happy. Happy. Things are looking good now. Good now. I love that song. It's very you. You would love that.

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Is it on the Feathered album? What is it Hot and Fun?

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No, it's on Sing Sounds.

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Let me see the COVID of that one.

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It's the big monkey.

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I. Okay. Cuz you know what? My. I do remember this album.

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All the thr. Standing in the line for the bathroom.

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That was my sh.

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God, that one's good too.

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I am very embarrassed that I did not recognize FR instantly.

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That's okay. That didn't sou.

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Like for real.

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Once I got into the chorus. You probably would have heard it more. Yeah, it's a little. It's a little bit. Yeah. That's my. That's my song of all songs for the week.

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I love that. I love that.

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Now let's talk about Twilight.

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Did it. I was going to try to do like a. A. A song like it. But none of that makes sounds. Right?

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What was that in reference to?

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It was like in my head. We were soaring over Forks, Washington. We were flying through a field of pine trees. What did I say?

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I'm joking. That was this for Washington. I just want to see how well you.

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I'm not going to lie. Oregon and Washington and Seattle.

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They're the same state.

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100% Portland.

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Seattle people have been like, oh, have you been to Portland?

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I'm like, sure.

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I haven't. I've been to Seattle. I Accident. I consistently am like, I mean, I.

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Mean, you know, Pacific Northwest kind of all.

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I don't want to tell you. Just like I've been to. I've been to Missouri.

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Don't do that.

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Cuz I've been to the Midwest. You know, that is, I've been to Chicago.

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You are insane. If you now. Sorry, Washington. I now defend you. I didn't. I didn't.

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From Ryan's. From Missouri.

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And that's crazy.

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Kansas City, Missouri.

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To think Chicago and Kansas City are the same.

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We are they not Midwest.

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They're not. Well, we are Midwest. Thank you for not thinking we're the South.

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I don't think you're the south. I think St. Louis is where the south starts personally, that we've talked about this.

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The Mason Dixon line. They did have slavery. Kansas City did not exact. That is so.

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So, so I'm actually correct. Even though I don't. I did not have that historical context. I knew 100. Like, you know, those people are Southern and those people not.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah. No Twilight. It really to me set the mood in such a way for like teen movies. And like, we were teen then. No.

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Yeah. In 2008, I was 13. 14. I was 13 and 14.

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2008, I would have been 15. 15. And like, so I would have been 15 when this movie came out. I was a junior in high school.

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Would I have been 15?

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You couldn't have been. We're not the same age.

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Oh, you know, what am I? That's actually insane. Okay.

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You know, and actually I did math wrong. I was 16. I was 16 when this movie came out.

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And I could have been 15 because we never. A year apart. Yeah, right. 13, 14.

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But I'm just saying this is also like in the era of the midnight premiere. And so like, this is when people would get dressed up and go to movies.

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I think I went to the midnight premiere. I'm not positive, but I know that I saw it in theaters and I would imagine I probably saw it at midnight, knowing me.

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Because you like you. This is your freshman year of high school.

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Yeah.

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It was probably making new friends.

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I started school in September. This came out in November. So I went with my new little friend group. There was three. Three of us. We had a good little time. They forced me to go see a Saw movie the same day, I believe.

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Oh, you guys did double feature.

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Yes. Saw was rated R. Yes.

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You snuck in. Wow. Crazy.

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We did. We did. We saw Twilight. And then we mostly don't Oversaw where I just kept my face Covered the whole time and didn't actually watch it.

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Saw it. Was it the first. It was probably one of the later ones. I don't remember when saw came out.

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I don't like that type of stuff.

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Oh, it's gore.

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That's not my. I don't like body horror. Body gore. I don't like none of that.

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But you would watch these vampires suck blood.

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Yeah. You know what's crazy? Wanted to be the neck really bad. Ew.

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Oh my God. Oh, my God. Really? Take me right here with him glittering like it.

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Oh, I did. I had a shirt that said, sorry, I only date vampires at the time. It was like a cute little black T shirt that probably got from like Ross or Marshalls.

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Sure.

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And yeah. It was like the words weren't white and then vampire was in red.

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Right.

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With a little. With a little drip, you know? Yeah.

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I fully see this. I'm surprised you didn't.

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Vampires and you. You meant that and did. Because as I've according to Jewel used this man all up and down the podcast. My white boyfriend at the time.

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You do reference him quite a bit.

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He was vampires. He was very vampire.

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Have you kept up with this man?

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Not even a little bit. I don't know. I don't know where he at. I don't know what he doing. I. I hope he is doing well.

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What if he is a God bless. What if he.

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I would not be surprised. That would surprise me the least. If he became something else, I would be shocked.

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What do you mean became something else?

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If I looked him up and he was a chef or something, I'd be shocked. If I looked him up. He were. He was a vampire. I'd be like, yes. Yeah, of course he is.

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Right. You know, it's crazy. I know we're. This is slightly off topic. Vampires exist.

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Like, I've heard this before. No, no, I've actually seen. Yeah, yeah, no, I did it before.

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With a group of you and Salon.

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Did a video with a group of vampires and they were like normal. They weren't like mythical.

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Right.

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They're like people that decided they wanted to be vampires and got like fangs.

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Yes.

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Implanted and like that type of stuff.

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Right. And then they do. They don't do like ritual drink blood, but they like some of them do drink blood and they do.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if ritual. Because like it's ritual.

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S. Yes.

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Like they definitely have like parties. Like they like what we did was went to a vampire ball.

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Yeah.

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And like that was the video. And like they do Have a. A thing. But it's like not Twilight vampire.

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Like, they aren't.

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They aren't. No, no, no. They lean and.

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I'm sorry. No, they are hot. Sorry. No, they're hot.

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Yes. It's a specific kind of hot.

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It is like they lean, but like Dracula.

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Yeah, yeah. It's very, very that. It's like. It's hot in a way that's like. That is somebody's. It's not everybody's cup.

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It's almost a kink.

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Wow.

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It's actually community. Yeah, it's almost like a kink community type situation.

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That's what it feels like.

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Down to like a strange accent even.

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Yeah. They lean in.

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Yeah.

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Like the guy.

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It's cosplay.

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I'm not gonna lie. The vampire we had. Because when I just kind of look at him, I was like, whatever his name was, like shock the monster.

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It was something crazy.

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And like. Like when you just meet him, you're like, whatever. Something about him. Something about those fangs did. After a while you just kind of.

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Go, so I do something for you.

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I don't. It's crazy.

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Let's unpack that.

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I agree. Girl, let me talk when I tell you. Cuz it was.

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That's kind of crazy video.

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And I was kind of like, I don't. Are you looking at them a little. A little different?

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This I be saying me can grow you anyways. Okay. Twilight. Twilight. Twilight is a 2008American vampire romantic fantasy film directed by Katherine Hardwick. Sure. From a screenplay by Melissa Rosenberg. Based on the 2005 novel of the same name by Stephenie Meyer. High school student Bella Swan moves from sunny Arizona to rainy Washington state, where she meets Edward Cullen, a handsome but mysterious teen whose eyes seem to peer directly into her soul. Edward is a vampire whose family does not drink blood. And Bella, far from being frightened, enters into a dangerous romance with her immortal soulmate in the first installment of the Twilight Saga film series. The film stars Kristen Stewart as Bella Swan and Robert Pattinson as Edward Cullen. It focuses on the development of Bella and Edward's relationship and the subsequent efforts of Edward and his family to keep Bella safe from another coven of vampires.

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And you know what.

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And also before we get into you know what.

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No, please.

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On the 20th anniversary, the film will be back in theaters way. So on the 29th of this month, through the 11th. I mean, through the 11th, the 29th of October through November 1st.

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Shut.

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They're gonna have all of the Twilight films play back in theaters.

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That actually sounds fun.

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Should we go?

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I kind of would love to do that.

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That sounds like a lot of fun.

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It's a good kind of bad.

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That is a good.

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The movies are silly.

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Yeah. I don't think they're camp. I think that's a problem.

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Oh, is it? To me, it feels like they don't know it's bad. People involved. No. Like the directors. Part of me feels like there's no way. There's no way they looked at that.

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Directors after the first film, if I'm not mistaken.

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Almost as though they, like, said, hey.

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Hey, baby, you're actually not doing a good enough job where we take this dead serious. If I'm not mistaken. Let me see who directed the second one? I don't want to be just giving.

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Off that kind of makes. Because the first one feels aggressively silly in a way that the others are also silly, but the first one is like, this is mad silly.

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You think?

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Yeah.

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Let me see.

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Because I remember the wigs are bad. It's. Honestly, I think it's mostly just budget. Like, they were like, we're putting money into this book that is now a movie. But, like, we can't put too much money into it because.

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Yeah. The director changed at the second film. So the first one was Katherine Hardwick, and the second one is Chris White.

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Wow. Crazy. To a man.

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They gave it to a man. They gave it to a man. As they do.

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Ain't that crazy? Typical.

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Stephanie didn't like that. If I don't. If I do recall, Stephanie was pissed off about that. The. The actual writer of the book, Stephanie Meyer, I believe she was like, but y'.

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All.

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Y' all think she's sweet. Like, y' all gonna give my. To a man.

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Whoa.

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Like, I think she was, like, trying to play hardball. And they were like, yeah, baby, we are okay.

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Who produced these movies is the Warner Brothers. They were like, girl, we do not care. I don't actually. I don't know. I can't imagine.

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I have no idea. Summit Entertainment. Okay. Random studios that you're like, okay, whatever. Well, whatever that means.

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Hey. And they honestly made a lot of money because, to be fair, while. Because, like, I.

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You.

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I did not know that the books were such a big deal. The movies were what introduced me to it. And then I read the books, but I didn't realize that the books were, like, a thing.

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Oh, yeah. So what made you read the books after you already knew kind of what happened because you read the. Or you saw the film?

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I don't know. I only saw the. The first movie is what I Saw. And then I went to the.

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Read all of the books.

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Right. I think I realized that they were popular is what I mean. I guess I knew that they were like, a thing.

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Oh, they were huge. Yeah.

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No, I think the. I don't think I ever heard of it until the movie. And then I read the books. I'm saying I don't think I ever heard.

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They are so big.

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So you read them all of them?

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I read them all in middle school, so I read them between 2000s. I probably read them all in 2006.

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That feels way young to me.

[B]

I think I read them all in 2006. Yeah. And it, like, ravaged my middle school. Like, we were taking turns with them books. Like, we was pressing people. Are you done yet? You read so slow. Oh, my God. I would have been done. I would have been done. You're reading so. So, like, we all couldn't afford. Yeah, no, we were. Yeah, we were definitely dragging people. But yeah. No, it ravaged my middle school. I loved them. They were Paige turn hers. And they were also a little horny. And, you know, when you're in middle school, you're also a little horny.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, so you like. I'm having some feels.

[A]

Oh, wait, you want a hug? You need a hug because it's cold.

[B]

He put his cold teeth in her neck. Oh, God.

[A]

Now, see, it's scary.

[B]

Neck.

[A]

I like neck.

[B]

I words come put cold teeth in my neck. That's what I felt as a child. I love that. Yeah.

[A]

Wow. I. I so like the moment when she. Because, like, she wished the first book is from her perspective. I don't think we get into other people's perspective. That moment when he, like, she looked at him from across the room, he, like, gags. He literally covers his mouth and turns away.

[B]

That was insane.

[A]

I would have been like. I would have left.

[B]

That was quite insane. I was like, the fan blows her scent over to him and he, like. And she was intrigued by that. Look at women. Always chasing an avoidant man that don't hunt them. I'm women, me, you know, like, me. I'm reading myself. But yeah, always. Oh, my God. He's not, like, obsessed with me.

[A]

How dare I? Honestly, I must get him and tbh, quite the opposite. Not only is he obsessed. He literally wants to eat you, girl.

[B]

Literally wants to eat you. And not in the way that we be talking about. He's not. He's not your best eater.

[A]

He's not.

[B]

He wants to eat you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, he does become.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

He does. In fact, Become.

[A]

Wow. Sorry. My brain just went. This is a little bit further in the future. But when they break the bed. That was hot. I forgot how actually that was.

[B]

Yes it was.

[A]

That was even just.

[B]

Was that in Breaking Dog part one?

[A]

Well the. The Breaking dawn is Breaking Dawn. The book is a book. But yes.

[B]

Oh yeah. In the movie. In the movie. I think they break the bed in part one.

[A]

That's how we get Renesmee. Which. I hate the name. Absolutely hate the name. I hate the name and the baby.

[B]

I hate that name.

[A]

It's so ugly.

[B]

That is like Rene. Renesmee. That is so ugly. First of all stupid. And then the actual child from the film. That animatronic AI weird looking hodgepodge of Bella and Edward's features.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Child that aged rapidly scary. You know, not like that.

[A]

It looks like Megan. It looks like.

[B]

It looks just like Megan.

[A]

100 I think when they were making Megan they were like that baby put it. Actually, that's what we're gonna use.

[B]

Yeah. 100. That is exactly what Renes may look like. Megan. The movie.

[A]

So scary.

[B]

Yes. I've been like, I never saw Megan. I need to watch it. This whole. This movie season.

[A]

I've never seen the second one. I've heard the second one's not as good. The first one fun because it's camp. It's camp. It's so camp can't be good. But back to Twilight. We're saying in the beginning. I forget because like, like the first one's turning 20. The first movie is turning.

[B]

The first book.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

The first. This is the. The impetus of Twilight.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Was 20 years ago, 2005. The first Twilight novel hit book stands.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

And teen girls and preteen girls alike went wild.

[A]

Did you. You read it in 2005? You were saying you read it?

[B]

I read in 2006. I'm pretty sure. Was I in middle school in 2000? I was in middle school in 2005. Yeah. I could have read in 2005.

[A]

Crazy.

[B]

It could have been either. Yeah. I read it in sixth grade.

[A]

I would have read it like my junior year of high school. I read like after the first movie. And I will say, obviously this is often true. The books are better than the movie.

[B]

Yes. My long shot. Of course. Almost always. Right. So Potter. No, I don't read Harry Potter or watch.

[A]

You've never read Harry Potter?

[B]

No.

[A]

Oh girl. That's why you think the movies are better.

[B]

I only like girl witches.

[A]

Is this another.

[B]

Yeah. I only like girl. Which is. I don't like, boy, you don't like wizards? I don't like wizards, warlocks. All that. I'm like, what does that mean? Why are you a man and a witch?

[A]

Why would I. I don't know. Seem a little feminine?

[B]

You're a man and a witch. Get off the broom.

[A]

Get a job.

[B]

Go build a house.

[A]

Men used to go to war.

[B]

Like, oh my God. I didn't Harry Potter at all.

[A]

That's kind of crazy.

[B]

I tried. They like. We watched it in class one day during a rainy day because that's what you do in California when it's outside. And I was like, this is what y' all going up for? It was in second grade. I remember the first one had just come out. Sorcerer's Stone. Right? And like. Yeah.

[A]

I was like, that's because you didn't read the books. If you read the. The books are active. And I didn't get it because I read the books in Covid.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I had seen all the movies.

[B]

Maybe I'll read it because it feels spooky season. Like, it feels like a good fall time to. To do it.

[A]

I have them all. You can take them. Yeah. I legit. They are. I. Oh, yeah. They're good. They're good.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But in the way that Twilight was a paid Turner. Harry Potter's that way too. Like.

[B]

Okay. Okay. Okay.

[A]

I feel like I remember once I got into Twilight. Did like was like, oh, I flew through the books. But like the first one. I guess I didn't read girl. I was still in the closet. So I have been like, I'm so.

[B]

You couldn't. You. You needed a Kindle. So it wouldn't be clear what you were reading. Don't you Man.

[A]

Wouldn't have been so much easier to.

[B]

Exist in today's time as a closeted youth. You could just go on 4chan and find a. I can't even remember name. I can't even. I was about to take it really far. I was going to take it dark and far.

[A]

I was going to say I could just. I wouldn't have to watch porn on the family computer. I. I could have just looked up gay porn on an ipod.

[B]

You know, that feels like a canon event.

[A]

Yeah. I'm a guy.

[B]

I got caught, like watching. I so did. I like getting caught watching porn on the family. I got caught a couple times.

[A]

Wait, like they caught you doing it or. I saw the history.

[B]

I got caught in the.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

Did you.

[A]

No. They saw the history.

[B]

Oh no. No, no, no. Okay.

[A]

You know what's crazy?

[B]

What?

[A]

So they found gay porn, obviously.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I remember trying. And this doesn't even make sense. I. To blame it on my biological dad. I, I like I'm trying to remember the logic behind or how I tried to make it make sense.

[B]

Your mom said he ain't been in this house.

[A]

I'm like, no, I'm trying to remember where they caught me because I remember the conversation coming up and I can't remember if it's like my, I went to my dad's house and then they called my mom and was like, hey, we found this porn. Talk to the boys about it. And then I think I tried to blame it on him. Cuz like I'm trying to remember who brought it to me.

[B]

Oh, it must have been your dad that brought it to you.

[A]

And then my mom was asking me and I was like, that was him.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

He wouldn't have been in the house.

[B]

But kids are so silly. Oh my God.

[A]

Yeah. That don't make no sense.

[B]

It'll make no sense.

[A]

But if I had my little ipod, you know what I mean? My God. In peace, right?

[B]

Yeah, no, it's kind of. You kind of have to go through it. Kids got it too easy these days.

[A]

You know they do.

[B]

You got porn as your fingertips like.

[A]

All the time too.

[B]

My computer froze and so I couldn't, I couldn't exit out quick enough. And it was, it was moaning through the street.

[A]

I just love the idea of this lady in the other room cooking dinner. And they just.

[B]

It's like. It was like 11pm the family computer was in my bedroom.

[A]

Oh. Oh yeah.

[B]

And it was in my bedroom. You know, it's like a big computer. It's not the quickest running thing. It's like 11pm My parents sleep. Boom. I log on. My mom could start coming to room. Usually I can. And like, you know, quickly.

[A]

Oh yeah. It's not a laptop. It is a.

[B]

No, it's a big, A big Mac computer. And I can usually close it out real quick, you know, making Peter go to sleep and get into bed.

[A]

What? I've been trying to remember your mom has.

[B]

She has a stairs.

[A]

So I hear her coming down the.

[B]

Stairs and I'm like, quick, quick, quick. And that it would not go off.

[A]

Why would you just jump in the bed and be like, it came up logic. I would have been. I'm just as shocked as you.

[B]

Mom. Mom. What the. So then, so then I just, I just imagine like my mom walking in catching a, a 12 year old red Handed in his porn pouring out the speakers. And I'm just. Anyways, yeah, Twilight. Then I didn't have a computer in my. In my room. Told that I had to depend on Twilight for all my pornographic needs.

[A]

Which. But then, you know, better for you. You had to use your imagination a little bit.

[B]

I did. Which actually probably is a lot better.

[A]

Truly. It's probably more. It' tailored to you, definitely. Also because, like. And then I think the thing about reading the books after is that like this, the characters are a little bit ruined. Like, because like, to me, they were always. Or Kristen Stewart. What's his name. And Edward. Robert.

[B]

Robert Pattinson.

[A]

What is the other boy's name? Taylor Lautner.

[B]

While we're here on casting.

[A]

Please.

[B]

And ruining. Let's. Let's get into it, actually, because I did read the books first, right. And when I saw that they had a Twilight movie coming out two years after I read the books, I said, okay, let's see what this preview is talking about. Who did they get? I cut it on and I see a hyperventilating. Can't form a coherent sentence to save her damn life. Can't make eye contact. Hair in front of her face. Kristen Stewart.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

As my Bella Mellow.

[A]

Was your girl?

[B]

Bella was my girl. Damn. I saw myself with Bella. I was Bella. I was nothing like that Kristen rendition of Bella.

[A]

Was Bella black to you?

[B]

No, I didn't know. No, no, no. She wasn't black, but she had a high ponytail. I remember that being like a point that they used to mention all the time. And she would, like tighten it.

[A]

Oh, like a nervous tick of tightening your pony.

[B]

Like a nervous. Sick of tightening her ponytail. She was like cute. Awkward. Not stammering.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Type awkward.

[A]

You know, Kristen Stewart's awkward felt palpable through the day. It was like, like, are you in pain?

[B]

I know. I'm like, you're actually pissing me off. Like, you're p. Off. I hated it. Robert Pattinson was the precise Edward. I'm like, yes.

[A]

Really?

[B]

That's Edward? Yes. That's Edwards.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Taylor Lauder. Great. That's. That's a great Jacob.

[A]

I also love that they kept him because I remember. And maybe this was just a rumor, because I remember hearing the rumor in high school that he was almost too cast because.

[B]

Yes. Which is insane. That they made him and he bulked up. He shredded up.

[A]

He looks good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No more Shark Boy.

[B]

We were just talking about Shark Boy on the Daily Dirty the other day, and the girls were saying that that was like their sexual Awakening him specifically. I always would thought he was cringy.

[A]

I was like, he looks like a little brother. Like, he looks like annoying.

[B]

He did. He did like that little smirk that he always like. I just didn't like it. Yeah, yeah, they love. They were like. He was so hot.

[A]

They're white people.

[B]

I guess so.

[A]

Because I'm like. Well. Although mine was probably. Well, no, actually, I know exactly mine. It was Usher8701, whatever that album was.

[B]

Oh, because. Because you have taste, right?

[A]

Correct. No, yeah. No, no, no. I know. Yeah, that was it. I remember being like that.

[B]

Usher Confessions definitely was doing something for me.

[A]

Like, hot. Yeah. But not Shark Boy.

[B]

I'm a grown woman. What I look. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's me. I'm like.

[A]

I'm like shark Boy.

[B]

I only with shark men.

[A]

Men, Right. Better come in this goddamn room if we're with anything in the water. Okay. Shark Boy insane anyways.

[B]

Or be undead like Robert Pattinson.

[A]

So to me, I get how people arrive. I don't know. I. Maybe I'm have like a thing against this type of boy. Because you also like Ian Somerhalder.

[B]

I love Ian Somerhalter. I love a brooding brunette. Honestly.

[A]

Interesting. I feel like they both feel too pretty. Edward and I mean, I guess that makes sense. Edward is described as pretty in the book. That's his whole thing. And he literally sparkles in the sun. And I just like. I feel like even Robert Pattinson, who I do think did a good job.

[B]

What about Batman? When he was Batman?

[A]

I have never seen Batman. Is he hot in that? Okay. Okay. I love him. And you know what? He really kind of does it for me is in Mickey 17. You haven't seen it?

[B]

I haven't. But from the. From the artwork, like, he looks goofy.

[A]

Okay. He plays multiple characters in it, so. Yeah. So one of his characters is less goofy. Right. One of them is very goofy. And one is not goofy. And the. The not the goofy. He's like an angry. Do I have problems?

[B]

Whoa. Yeah. You like a man.

[A]

Whoa. This is coming. I like when they broke the bed. And now he's angry. Wow. I'm like, are you okay?

[B]

Anyways, okay. There was a lot of other cast members who are.

[A]

You know who else was hot in this? Kellen. Kellen.

[B]

I do get that. I do get that.

[A]

Big and dumb as always, your type.

[B]

That's. And I know that's why you're Team Jacob. A Never ending Midnight inside.

[A]

She does it for so long.

[B]

She really does.

[A]

I try to do it when I'm biking and I can't.

[B]

Why would you try to do it while you're doing an aerobic exercise?

[A]

Because that's how Beyonce trains facts. I legitimately try to sing when I run because I'm like, hey, just. Just in case.

[B]

I told you. I can't even, like, maintain a steady voice when I'm going. Going over a bump in the car.

[A]

I don't believe you.

[B]

I swear to God, I don't know how she does that. I don't know how she's doing it. My voice will waver if I hit a bump and I'm singing. Oh.

[A]

Never, never ending.

[B]

How do we keep getting back on Zara?

[A]

Because Midnight sun is the name of the last book. Heart Impact.

[B]

Yeah, that.

[A]

That. The Midnight sun is the book. It is Edward Cullen Twilight is how we are.

[B]

Anyways, Cullen Lutz was definitely as well, you know, it wasn't Jasper. Sorry, that's mean. Because the actor is a real person, but his character wasn't hot. He was a Confederate soldier.

[A]

All right, well, I guess this was a question we're gonna talk about later. Favorite characters was Jasper. I'm so good.

[B]

Confederate soldier is your favorite character.

[A]

Hold on. Okay, sure, sure. He was a Confederate soldier, but I liked him because his powers.

[B]

I'm trying to make sure that's him. That's the correct one, Right? You're not wrong. You liked him because his powers. Yeah. Of restraint. What was his power? I can't remember.

[A]

You know what I'm trying to remember?

[B]

What?

[A]

His power.

[B]

It was something military. No, it was the ability. It was restraint. I think it was the ability to, like, be around a lot of blood because.

[A]

Oh, it was an empath. No, let me. No, that's Edward. Hold on, let me look it up. I remember. Was he the.

[B]

Edward was not an empath. Edward.

[A]

Which is the same thing. Similar.

[B]

It is not the same thing. Alice was an empath. No, no. Read the future child. Look, look.

[A]

Jasper Hills. Oh, he can. That's what it was. He could manipulate emotions. He could control your emotion.

[B]

I like you like that.

[A]

I feel like. No, he was my favorite of the. Their powers.

[B]

And he's a vegan.

[A]

I mean, they're all vegan.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

They're all vegan, technically, because I forget they're vegetarian. But he was the one who struggled the most. Cuz he was the youngest.

[B]

Right? Actually, he couldn't have been.

[A]

Renesmee had to be younger than him. Renesmee? I mean, Rosalie.

[B]

Why would Rosalie have to be younger?

[A]

Didn't she get kidnapped in the 20s. I thought she was like, he couldn't have been the youngest. You know, he might have been the newest in their family.

[B]

Oh, I think he was the newest in the family.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because actually, Edward was the oldest.

[A]

Actually, no Edward. Because the dad was like. I think the dad was.

[B]

Carlisle was.

[A]

No, Carlisle was like a. He was Spanish fever. No, that's Edward. Edward. Spanish.

[B]

Edward is 108. So Edward's a little young.

[A]

He was Spanish.

[B]

I would say. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Carla.

[B]

Remember car.

[A]

Carla was hot.

[B]

You know who was hot? Carla was hot. But Charlie.

[A]

Oh, that was dad. Amen.

[B]

Yeah. Charlie. Charlie.

[A]

Interesting. A cop.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Oh, hey. I don't remember him being that he was 100%.

[B]

I don't think he was a big cop. No.

[A]

Are you kidding?

[B]

Oh, it says Bella's father and Forks. Chief of.

[A]

She. Chief of whom? No, I agree.

[B]

He.

[A]

He's like the archetype. Hot like that. When you think Dad.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

I wonder if he's the reason that we all had, like, when we went through that phase of, like, everyone wanting a dad. Bob. Dad bod. Is it?

[B]

Did you have a dad? He didn't take his shirt off. How do we know what his bod looked like?

[A]

He just looked like a dad.

[B]

He looked like a dad for sure. Dad archetype. He had the mustache. I like a mustache.

[A]

I do, too. Just like that. It's a good.

[B]

Only a mustache, thick mustache. I like that.

[A]

He was, like, slightly brooding. Like, it was, like, just grumpy enough.

[B]

Yeah, he was, like, kind of, like, not. He didn't know nothing.

[A]

They kept, like, you know, not a very good dad. When I. Oh, sorry. I shouldn't say that. He wasn't a bad dad. I think he was just a little.

[B]

No, you said it correctly.

[A]

Both parents. Also her mom. At least I think she was better in the books. In the movie, she was a little like, oh, yeah, go to girl. I'm gonna go off on this holiday with my new boyfriend. You have. The mom is in the movie. Yes, she's in the books. References.

[B]

No, I think she's referencing the book, right? Or.

[A]

Yeah, we start actually in ar.

[B]

In the books.

[A]

In the movie, we are kind of like, she's already gone.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But, yes, the mom is, like, with this new boy. Or she's, like, on a holiday, basically, and, like, go, your dad.

[B]

I'm gonna go start my own family. Go start my new family. Bye.

[A]

I distinctly remember there's a line. I think it's both in the book and the movie, but I remember in the movie, because it was delivered ridiculously. The makeup, the story they make up about Bella after the fight, they're like, yeah, you were walking down the stairs and then you fell down and out the church window. Like, that was the story they claimed happened to her.

[B]

To that what they told Charlie.

[A]

Right. To make up for the fact that she got attacked by vampires. And I'm like, one. Both of your parents neglect like, 100.

[B]

And he said, oh, oh, yeah, that's crazy. Well, yeah, just. Just idiots.

[A]

But, yeah, I. I definitely feel like Jasper was my favorite at the time, and I thought it was because of.

[B]

His powers, but look, he's quite insane.

[A]

Looking at his powers now, I don't think I actually like it as much as I thought I did.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know what.

[A]

The Egyptian boy who comes in later in Breaking dawn, he's like one. He can control the elements, and that is cool.

[B]

The Egyptian boy.

[A]

I forget his actual name. Remember when they bring the. All the vampires together to fight the Volturi?

[B]

Yes. He's one of those ones that they like. Okay.

[A]

He wasn't as cool in the movies, but in the book he was very cool.

[B]

I actually don't even remember him in the book. Interesting. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's like a man who could control, like, elements.

[B]

Oh. Oh, I actually do remember.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, he wasn't a man. It was literally like they mentioned him and.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Him in like. I also love little Dakota. She wasn't little at this time. Dakota Fanning.

[B]

She was eating with them red contacts in. Sure did.

[A]

I loved love.

[B]

Just stared. She's so funny. I miss her.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

Where's Dakota Fanning these days?

[A]

She was in that movie. Did you ever watch Perfect Couple? It was a show.

[B]

Oh, I didn't watch it, but it was a show.

[A]

It was. It was a miniseries. It's like White mess miniseries. Did you not watch?

[B]

I'm thinking of. Of that movie that just came out. I'm thinking of a materialist. I don't know why that is Dakota.

[A]

Fanning or Dakota Johnson. So I understand where you're right.

[B]

Okay. Yeah.

[A]

Materialist is Dakota Johnson.

[B]

Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, No, I didn't know she was in anything. She was in a TV show recently.

[A]

It was like, last year, maybe two years ago at this point. But it's about white people. Connecticut. Ish. Like, Cap ish. And, like, there's a murder that happens.

[B]

I'm feeling in.

[A]

Oh, I'm surprised you didn't watch. Please watch. It's like maybe eight episodes an hour each. It's good. White miss Gray. It's like rich white miss.

[B]

That's my. Yes, I like that.

[A]

Also Megan Fay from season two of White Lotus.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Or bold type.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which one was she in? In bull type.

[A]

She's like the. The, like, I guess the blonde one. Cuz there's the black, the half black one, the brunette and then blonde one. Yeah, I think that's her. Is that Bow type? I hope that's Megan Fay. I know she isn't one of those like teen drama shows. Either way, she's great. It's a great show.

[B]

Okay, neither there.

[A]

Because we are talking about Twilight, baby. Dakota Fanning was great in Twilight. I believed it.

[B]

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[A]

If you were a vampire.

[B]

Yeah. What?

[A]

I also hated that line.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What would you want your power to be?

[B]

You go first.

[A]

I think I will. Teleportation isn't a power that they have.

[B]

No, it isn't. But they move so quick. Yeah, they just like run, you know? Okay, be running.

[A]

That's fine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I wouldn't do that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Of the options that they all have, I. I thought that Bella's power was whack Shield. Whack. Fucking dumb. Hated it. Stupid. Whoa. Do you think it's cool?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I still know. I. I'm gonna stay with Jasper being my favorite. I like that I could be like Like I can just call. You can calm a situation now. You can change the energy in a room.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I feel like that's so much more useful than Alex can see the future. Is that useful?

[B]

Yeah. She was the one.

[A]

She was. Or I guess she changed the future family. Did she?

[B]

Yeah, she did.

[A]

By running away and going and getting there.

[B]

She touched that man's face, said, here's your future. If you don't see, stop playing with us. And that was the end. Remember?

[A]

And when I tell you when I was in the theaters, I was losing it.

[B]

I was what the.

[A]

Because books our movies love to change. And when they. When all that happened, I was.

[B]

I was pissed Li I was livid. I literally was having the deep. The biggest emotional reaction. And when. And when they like cut to the part of her like releasing his face and being like, so yeah, your whole family dies. You keep with us, find out it is what it.

[A]

Hey, I miss too, but you going.

[B]

To take some outside. What you want to do?

[A]

We not going to jump you.

[B]

So what you want to do? What's up?

[A]

Yeah. That was crazy.

[B]

That was insane.

[A]

That was a crazy. And I'm honestly, I will say that was great. Great for the movie because it really did pull me in in a way that I was like, what?

[B]

100%. Cuz we. We knew the ending. So like, how are you going to surprise people who like know the ending?

[A]

I was very angry. Spoiler alert. If you have not seen or read.

[B]

Twilight, you should out of look 20 years.

[A]

Had 20 years to finish this book. Talk about a slow reader.

[B]

What the hell was Esme's power?

[A]

They didn't know how powers you know was.

[B]

Yeah, she was just normal.

[A]

Regular.

[B]

I don't want to call her but regular.

[A]

Cuz I don't think. I don't think Kellet. What was his real name? Kellen Let.

[B]

He was really strong.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

He was like stronger than the rest. EMT was like really strong.

[A]

I'm going to put heavy quotations around that.

[B]

Like. Sure. All right.

[A]

Like I guess Rosalie I don't think also had a power. She just really wanted a baby. Her power was really wanted to be a mother.

[B]

Y. Yeah, I do. And she just like was hostile, wasn't she?

[A]

Yeah, she was a cuz she. She was. She was angry at Bella and I don't.

[B]

She was angry at Bella? Yeah.

[A]

Oh, I think she was mad at Bella because Bella wanted this life and her. So I think she was a little annoyed with her and then also the baby of it all.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Well, actually, I think the baby is what made her like her.

[B]

Her.

[A]

Because she wanted 100.

[B]

She was like, okay, I can. I can play with that. Yeah.

[A]

But they hated her because, if I remember correctly, Rosalie was attacked.

[B]

That sounds right. Yeah, that sounds right. Okay. Yeah. So everybody didn't really have powers. And then Carlisle was a surgeon or, like, a doctor of some sort.

[A]

He was. He found Edward during Spanish flu.

[B]

He's more than 300 years old, so he's, you know. Sure. He looks about 30, though.

[A]

Look good.

[B]

Yeah, he did look good.

[A]

I don't remember where Esme came from. I'm trying to remember her backstory. I loose. I don't remember Esme.

[B]

Yeah, they literally don't give her much. He says Carlisle's vampire wife in the matriarch of the Cullen.

[A]

Sure. Yeah. I don't. I don't remember what her. Maybe they didn't give her one. She was just there, maybe.

[B]

So, yeah. Not built out at all, but, yeah.

[A]

I feel like, overall, I enjoy the cast, and, like, I. I don't want to say that Kirsten Stewart is a bad actress overall. I think in the movie, she. That's how she acted. Just like you. If you. For those listening, Sequoia is very much. Her face is giving. Yes. Goalkeev us.

[B]

Nothing Queen.

[A]

And that is what. That's what she gave us.

[B]

She really gave us very much. I did not like the way that she acted this role at all.

[A]

It was a lot of breath, very.

[B]

Brief, a lot of breathing and a lot of, like, crumpling. Like, a lot of breathing and crumpling.

[A]

And why was Edward into that? I'd have been like, not up.

[B]

What is happening?

[A]

I remember also because Anna Kendrick is in this and perhaps her first movie. I don't know if Pitch Perfect was out by then, maybe she would have had a bigger role. If Pitch Perfect would have been out by then.

[B]

Anna Kendrick also had obviously a much bigger role in the books, right? Yes. She was, like, jealous. Like, they had some. Her and her and Bella had some sort of tension. I think she liked Edward or had a crush on them or something. Yeah. Because they.

[A]

The Cullens, didn't talk to anybody but Bella.

[B]

Yes. And she was like, what? What the.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like, it. Yeah.

[B]

I love him, and he doesn't love me.

[A]

I also the fact that not many black people. I mean, it's Washington, so, you know, maybe that's the problem. And the only black people they bring in are villains. And they gave him a bad dreaded wig.

[B]

That wig. That wig. That wig.

[A]

Tyler Perry was.

[B]

That was. You know what. Yeah, they did. That's the only black person they knew that made film. And so they called. Called him. Do you know what would a black man. An evil one? He said, hey, a villain. What do you have your villains wear?

[A]

I just took it off Shamar Moore's head. Let me mail it.

[B]

Yeah, actually, that's exactly, exactly what it was giving. Okay. The cultural impact also.

[A]

Yeah, no, Twilight was huge series and.

[B]

Books blew the hell up along with Kristen and Robert's careers as well. Truly Robert. And probably immediately after this, he was in that 911 one I did.

[A]

Oh, so I remember me. Yeah, that's what it's called. I. I did not know that movie existed until recently.

[B]

But yeah. Yeah, I think that was his next one after that. And I remember watching that because I was a big fan of him at this time. You know, I'm probably like, I don't know, maybe 13, 14.

[A]

That makes sense. He's hard.

[B]

And I'm like, oh, my God, yes. I'm going to watch this new Robert Pattinson. That was way too serious for a 13 to be 13 at 911.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

I said, oh, oh, oh, okay. Yeah.

[A]

And then I also. Because him and Kirsten. Kristen or Kristen?

[B]

Kristen.

[A]

Kristen. Him and Kristen were dating. Dating at this time?

[B]

Four years.

[A]

Yeah. They were like, very much one of those, like, teen couples. It was like Selena and Justin Bieber and then Robert Pattinson. Like, they were a big, big couple.

[B]

They were a real couple. And, you know, I think part of the issue that I have with Kristen Stewart in this role, now that I look back, yeah, she's very clearly queer.

[A]

And maybe that's what the uncomfortable was.

[B]

Maybe that's what it was. Maybe it was her. Yeah. Like, working.

[A]

Me and the directors were like, yes, yes.

[B]

Oh, my God, that's. She's like. But yeah, I think that's why I had a hard time with her in this role. And I think that's why I had a hard time with her and his relationship. Like, I'm like, yeah, I never. I was like.

[A]

And then also, what's.

[B]

Don't make no sense.

[A]

Sometimes. I guess I didn't understand the concept of a PR relationship at the time.

[B]

Now that's a long PR relationship. The franchise and the duration of the franchise. You just can't date anyone else for four years.

[A]

Public, publicly.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

There's a level of it working out for you if you're closeted, too.

[B]

As in she was like a permanent beard. Yeah, Perfect.

[A]

Works for me. Yeah, no, I. I think.

[B]

Is it still beard?

[A]

What would it be called? I think it's a beard. Either way, I get.

[B]

Oh, I guess it's not.

[A]

No. Yeah, probably that makes more sense. I don't know.

[B]

Permanent.

[A]

List lesbians in the comments.

[B]

All right. Please comment down below.

[A]

Makes some sense.

[B]

Fifty Shades of Gray stems from Twilight fanfic. I did not know that. Yeah. So they really took that and hyp it up Enough.

[A]

I don't think this is horny enough.

[B]

You know what? You know. You know, Twilight needs hornier sex a lot. A lot of psm and like.

[A]

Yeah, maybe he's not a vampire.

[B]

Maybe Edward beat the hell out of her. Yeah. Yeah. He's gonna make her bleed another one. And she liked it. Yeah.

[A]

What if.

[B]

What if we made him more toxic? Yeah. What if.

[A]

You know.

[B]

Yeah. It's okay that the child, you know, the. The grown man imprinted on the child.

[A]

That's not weird. Stop you. Okay. We'll get to the Team Edward or Team Jacob. Don't do that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Where you will not disrespect.

[B]

I won't.

[A]

You won't. I don't like it.

[B]

Our producer has written down here the cultural shift of Hot Topic because of the franchise. I started my Hot Topic days probably around 2006 in middle school. I did not step into a hot topic before 2006 or 2005. So, like, I don't know what it was like before I. Was it, like squarely goth before type.

[A]

I think it leaned less like, fandom.

[B]

Because there's a lot of fandom in Twilight. I mean, and.

[A]

And an entry. Hot Topic now.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Right. And it was more. I thought. I don't. This is like a. It's a. It was a step. A side step from Spencers. Do you. Did you have Spencers?

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Right. So you know how Spencer's a little bit gaggy, A little bit like.

[B]

Yeah. Sex toys and Spencers and that type of stuff.

[A]

Hot Topic was more of like a dark spinster series. Yeah.

[B]

Like, it's a self serious Spencer. Correct.

[A]

Where, like, if you were to go into a Hot Topic, you were like a scene kid in a way where I think Twilight made it more mainstream.

[B]

Fandom and mainstream. Right.

[A]

And then like, they were like, oh, money.

[B]

And then they're like, you know what we have now? Because I go in there sometimes now.

[A]

Gumball or chew, whatever the. That cartoon.

[B]

You have Sabrina Carpenter shirts. And it's like they have like any. I can't say that Destiny Child shirt. Like, they have whatever.

[A]

Oh, it's PacSun.

[B]

It's PacSun. It is. I wonder, honestly, I wonder if they're owned by the same. Because it is.

[A]

That blows my mind. Because, like, even like our, like, Hot Topic days.

[B]

No. And you still had to like. Yeah, it would have been maintain some level of alt. Exactly. But no, now it's like, whatever, Sabrina, Taylor Swift. Like, it's whatever.

[A]

That feels it, like, that feels like the antithesis.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

Because, like, if Twilight made sense. Because it was like, this is still exactly like. And like, while it was popular, it still felt.

[B]

Felt.

[A]

Honestly, I wonder if this. Maybe this is a part of the cultural shift, because I feel like things before that even Harry Potter was, like, silly and fun. Like, it was cute. It was bright until they started to get dark. But, like, it was.

[B]

It was bright. Yeah.

[A]

Distinctly moody in a way that the other things were not. Wow. Okay. And then that made like. Like, even girls who. Girls and boys who are not into moody things could be like, I also like this thing. It's kind of fun.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wow. I don't think I ever considered that.

[B]

I guess that's the. I guess that's the case. But yeah, I was in into Hot Topic after Twilight, so I guess I got it. I was part of the shift.

[A]

And I mean, when I think about it musically, we were also going through our emo phase because they had, like, bangers. They had emo bangers.

[B]

Let's talk about this. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about the bangers. That came from the soundtrack. Paramore's decode. Yeah. Came from this soundtrack.

[A]

Oh, they did it for the album. For this movie?

[B]

I think so.

[A]

I don't think I knew that.

[B]

I think. I think so. It was the breakout single from the soundtrack.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

Why can't I think of how it goes all of a sudden, him H. I don't know. All I can think about is freaking fly leaf. I can feel you sick.

[A]

And that also feels very Twilight coated. The music that's coming to my brain is super massive black hole, which I know is in the movie, but it feels like such a big thing that it's out of the movie. Muse is great in general.

[B]

Queer Coded.

[A]

Is that a gay song?

[B]

Think about the. Think about the.

[A]

Oh, yeah. I. That's what they called me in college.

[B]

Superman.

[A]

I'm kidding. No, baby, they. Yeah, I have a black hole. They did not. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. But wouldn't it be funny calling someone Superman?

[B]

It would be something. It be funny. In retrospect.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I can laugh about it now. It would not be funny.

[B]

Let me think of. How did this song go? How did DCO go? There it is. Yeah.

[A]

Wait.

[B]

When you're always taking steps. How do I get here? Yes.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I had to take a breath cuz, you know. Haley be.

[A]

You can hit it.

[B]

I would have to. I used to.

[A]

The hand. You didn't like the hand?

[B]

Yeah, I liked it. I was in.

[A]

How do you. Sorry, there's flim there.

[B]

I used to.

[A]

I take a lot of liberties when I see you. Do I just make it my own. I think that's what I like to do. I like to take a.

[B]

Who told you that we like that? Who told. Who told you that we liked your own?

[A]

I worked with who? A very, very famous songwriter named Lionel Richie.

[B]

I do know. Yeah, I know him.

[A]

He said we like artists who can make it their own.

[B]

I'm positive he did.

[A]

I'm positive. But also I think he means make it good.

[B]

Very slight tangent.

[A]

Very slightly.

[B]

Renee rap. Did Beyonce's Dubai run.

[A]

Shut up. Last night I saw a video that.

[B]

Sounded exactly like Beyonce.

[A]

We'll watch after this.

[B]

That sounded. I. I was like, is this. Is this.

[A]

I.

[B]

You know how. Tick tock it'll have the sound. I'm like, is this Beyonce?

[A]

Oh, you thought someone just put it over half.

[B]

I thought somebody just put it over her because she. No. Wow. No.

[A]

Okay. I didn't know she could sing like that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I didn't realize she could. See. I knew she could sing.

[B]

I was a gas. That's very impressive. Taking a back. Yes.

[A]

Anyways, tangent. But yeah. No Twilight. I think that was the other cultural influence that like it. Also this is back when movies had soundtracks, man.

[B]

And it was a good soundtrack.

[A]

Correct. Like big artists were being doing full on like songs for the album.

[B]

Supermassive black hole, like we mentioned.

[A]

Also this one was. I was going to say Bella. I meant to say a thousand years, but Bella song was coming out of my head. Bella song also was. Yeah, but I meant like A Thousand years was like a radio hit every.

[B]

Day waiting for you. It's a good one. That wasn't on this one, but it was on one of them for sure.

[A]

Last one that was a. From the. Yeah, Cuz it's their. It's their wedding song. But it was like again, I mean, I'm thinking of like Franchise Thousand Years.

[B]

Who would want to live to a thousand.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[B]

If you think about that. Oh my God, that sounds miserable. Oh my God. That's Hell, no.

[A]

I. I think that was like a whole.

[B]

The whole thing about.

[A]

He's like, I don't want you to do that. He's like, I don't want you to do this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You never said what your superpower would be.

[B]

Oh. Oh, okay.

[A]

Because we. I mean, you can make one up. Sure.

[B]

Right? I think I would make one up.

[A]

I have a new one that I would do.

[B]

What?

[A]

Weather? I guess.

[B]

Never mind.

[A]

It wouldn't be helpful as a vampire. That'd be helpful as a human demon.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because I was like, well, you know.

[B]

They can't be in the sun, so they. Yes. I mean, that's why they live in Forks.

[A]

That was the thing I hated about them. They're. I mean, I get it. They. Their sunshine was not. Like, they can't be in the sun. They actually can.

[B]

I know.

[A]

They just shine.

[B]

Garrick was saying that, too.

[A]

I hate that.

[B]

Okay, so before I tell you, I need to think more on my. On my thing, but let's talk about the way that Twilight shifted vampire lore.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I feel like original vampire lore is like stakes, wooden stakes. That's how you kill a vampire.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Garlic. Right.

[A]

Did they have. I don't even know.

[B]

They can't be out in the sunlight because they burn. They will die.

[A]

Yes. You know, cursed for darkness. Exactly. And these ones. And then, like, also, I don't know that it's. I mean, like, in other vampire lore, I'm not sure I've ever heard of them drinking animal blood and being vegan.

[B]

Which is very funny. That's not real.

[A]

Yeah, I don't think that's a thing. Like, I think you are blood thirsty. Well, and also, like, I think that, like. Right. You were so bloodless that, like, you would never get to the point where you're like, I'm not going to do that.

[B]

Like, you're. That's your instinct. It'll be like, you know.

[A]

Yeah, you're kind of. I cannot help you.

[B]

Just eat. Yeah.

[A]

The other thing is that they kind of like, they break it apart where, like, they have individual powers, but vampires in general can. They have effect on moods and reading minds and things like that. That's something they can all kind of do. Like, that's part of being a vampire.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

And I don't know how this one I'm trying to remember if they ever address. Arrested vampires in lore are not allowed to enter, like, in centers. They're not allowed to, like, enter a room.

[B]

You have to invite them in.

[A]

And I don't know if they've ever addressed that.

[B]

I don't remember that in Twilight. I don't remember that in Twilight at all.

[A]

Because I feel like she. No, he just goes in her bedroom. Yeah. He's weird.

[B]

He just appears all the time about that. And he's like watching her for a long time before she realizes that he's watching her. Like he would go in her room while she slept.

[A]

Weird. And this is okay.

[B]

And like, look at her.

[A]

I think this is why I was never team Jacob or. Sorry. Never team Edward. This is why I was never team Edward. No, because Edward is mad controlling. He is manipulative. He literally like. And his whole thing is like, oh, I can't read your mind. And that's why I'm obsessed with you. It's like a. A manipulation. Like he's up.

[B]

Your favorite is Jasper, who can manipulate people's emotions.

[A]

No, he can control emotions and he.

[B]

Didn'T like using it.

[A]

That's the whole thing Jasper had restricts.

[B]

He was tired of from the fighting the Confederate War, from being in the.

[A]

Confederate side of the soldier. He didn't.

[B]

He.

[A]

You think he was forced slavery?

[B]

Yeah, very likely. Yeah. Yeah. Ain't no black people nowhere near Forks.

[A]

Wait, how the did he get the four. Oh, he's with the family. Because I'm like, they didn't have slavery in Forks, right?

[B]

Yeah. No, the. The coven moves right, right.

[A]

They move right. They have to.

[B]

Yeah. But Jake's.

[A]

Jacob was so much more loving. He was so much more attentive. He was so much more like concerned about Bella and her well being in a way that I don't think Jacob.

[B]

You don't like that.

[A]

I know. That's the problem.

[B]

I do like that. But you know, I understand.

[A]

It's.

[B]

He was a. Like, Edward was obsessed with her in a bad way. Like he couldn't live without her type.

[A]

Right. In a bad way.

[B]

What do you. What's bad? How could that be bad?

[A]

Is insane.

[B]

I want to make. Yeah. That's what I want.

[A]

Want. You want him to be ready to. At any. He's like, I. I will kill myself if I like. He was like, I will throw myself. That's what he. He wanted to walk in front of the Volturi when he thought she was dead.

[B]

Prove. Prove that you love me. It.

[A]

This is the problem.

[B]

Yeah. Prove it.

[A]

Yeah. I want. I want to know that you're ready to go die. I want you to go give that the vampire secret right now. Right now.

[B]

Right now.

[A]

You're.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You deserve each other.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. I. I know I know I had a really big Bella, or I had a really big Edward poster. Poster.

[A]

In your room.

[B]

In my room. It was huge. It was like, bigger than this window behind us.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

It probably, like, went all the way down to the couch. Probably about the same width.

[A]

That's insane.

[B]

And it was just the, the sole piece of quote, unquote, art in my childhood bedroom.

[A]

Yeah. Art.

[B]

Art. Yes.

[A]

I. Okay, sure. I also will say Jacob's hotter. Jacob is just not even. Just temperature wise Edward Cullen. I also think at the time, specifically.

[B]

At the time of a short.

[A]

Is Jacob short?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I don't know that that's true.

[B]

No, it's not true.

[A]

I don't know that he's tall.

[B]

It's not true.

[A]

I'm gonna say I don't know how tall Taylor Lautner is.

[B]

It's not true. I don't think. It's all.

[A]

It's all. It's all. None of it's true.

[B]

None of it's true. It's all you guys. It was all. Come on.

[A]

Come. Come.

[B]

On, come on. No, they made it. They made it up.

[A]

Come on, Michael. So funny.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Did he and Whitney ever do. Sorry, we're off topic.

[B]

But also, speaking of, you know, people who like children.

[A]

Jacob, don't do that.

[B]

So now you're.

[A]

Don't put it on me. Whoa, whoa, whoa. She was very mature for her age.

[B]

He imprinted on a whole baby.

[A]

He sure didn't. That was weird.

[B]

It was weird. But. And also, that kind of negates your point because the reason he was obsessed with Bella is because she.

[A]

He wasn't. No, because she had a womb. She. He was imprisoned.

[B]

The catalyst for my. For my soul mate. And he was like, I don't know what it is about you, but, like, I love you. And it's actually because he's obsessed with her baby. Her lawn loins, the fruits of her loins.

[A]

I, I, I. Sure.

[B]

She's, like, almost his person. He could sense that. He's like, oh, my God, I love you. Like, oh, my God. You're like. You're perfect. Like, that's the closest you ever come to finding his person?

[A]

Because she was in there.

[B]

She's the mother. Yes. Of his person who's a baby.

[A]

She grows up. They grow up and live happily ever after.

[B]

She grows up and stops aging at 18, also.

[A]

So that's some of the lore that also, like, that's where they start to lose me. I'm like. Somebody gets bit a little, I guess. Sorry for the function of the story. It has to. But I'm like, why? Why would they all of a sudden stop aging at 18? Why?

[B]

Because that's how you make it acceptable that he likes a child. Sure. Like she's grown, look. 18.

[A]

Which is also crazy.

[B]

Stop.

[A]

Because she. She is physically 18. She is mentally six months. Hello.

[B]

Like at the end of the day.

[A]

If I remember correctly, Ren's powers, when she could put thoughts in your.

[B]

She could put thoughts. She could give you her thoughts. Yes, yes. She's like, here's what I'm thinking. Because she's a baby, she couldn't speak yet. So she would just touch your face and then tell you and like show you her thought. And sometimes it would be like the way that she sees you and you're like, wow, she sees me so beautifully. Yeah, that's crazy.

[A]

But now I'm trying to remember. Then what was the Volturi. How did. What was his thing? If he touched you, he could see, read. That's a whack power. Because like how did Alice show him the future? She touched him. So was his thing. If he physically touched you, he could read your mind or read your story.

[B]

I guess so. Or he like you can't lie. Yeah. Because he can. Yeah, he can lie. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Cuz he can read your thoughts. But like. So it's just Edward's power. But less effective.

[B]

Or he knows your whole history, which.

[A]

Will be your mind. Something like that.

[B]

Future, past, future, all that.

[A]

I don't think it's your future. I don't think it is.

[B]

No, it is your future.

[A]

I don't think so.

[B]

I'm almost sure.

[A]

I'm pretty sure. It's like cuz.

[B]

No, cuz Alice could see the future and so he could see. Yes. And her. And she could see.

[A]

Right. It was in her past.

[B]

Exactly. Yeah. No, he could could just. Yeah, he could read your mind.

[A]

Whack power. Way whack. Yes.

[B]

And then Edward could read mine.

[A]

He could actually read mine. He can hear your thoughts.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I think that man could read all of your past and everything. What are you saying?

[B]

That makes sense. That makes sense. They was grasping at straws, trying to find different powers.

[A]

Well, no, cuz that other guy could like, he could like, I guess like give. It was Dakota Fanning's character's brother. He could like give death. It was like. It was like a cloud. Okay. It was. It was.

[B]

I don't remember him. That sounds. I don't like. It sound like twitches.

[A]

The darkness. Is it called the dark? Is it straight up called the Darkness. Called the Darkness, silly.

[B]

The Darkness used to scare the hell out of me. Anyways, we'll probably do a Twitch's episode at some point. Maybe next year. I don't know. Hey, we like that Twitches, too.

[A]

I don't have. I've seen them. I've had to have seen both.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

What else? We are. I think we're closer towards. We got.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Team Edward. You're Team Edward.

[B]

Oh, I'm Team Edward. Yes.

[A]

Kind of. I mean, it's not crazy.

[B]

I get it.

[A]

I get it. He's the main character.

[B]

Brooding. I had a shirt that says, sorry, I only date vampires. I was literally dating one. It is my. It is who I am. And my vampire lore obsession has continued past Edward. Like you said, I love Ian Somerhalder. I love Michael B. Jordan and Sinners.

[A]

Oh, okay. Yeah. I was like, what?

[B]

I love.

[A]

That's not fair. You just like, Michael B. Michael B. Jordan could be doing anything.

[B]

You'd be like, yeah, that is a figgity. Yes, it is.

[A]

Had nothing to do with him being a vampire.

[B]

It didn't. But that did help a lot.

[A]

That did.

[B]

That did. I said, oh, my God, yes, the man's going to be a vampire. Wow.

[A]

Add it to the list.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I. You didn't True Blood.

[B]

But I didn't True Blood. True Blood was too serious for me. Too real. Like, I'm like, h. You guys are not hot. Like, you're like, whoa. Like, it's gruesome. Like, you're scary. Like, I don't like it, kid.

[A]

And also, we were too young to be watching True Blood. I watched it as a kid, and it was. It was literally an HBO vampire show.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So much more sex. Much more blood. Yeah, it was. I should not have been watching it. It was. It was kind of chaotic, but it was good. I remember liking it being like it was mad horn.

[B]

People have told me, like, oh, you need to watch True Blood. And every time I like, look at it, I'm like, I don't like the way it looks. It looks scary. It looks scary. I don't like it. It's not.

[A]

Not scary.

[B]

And everybody's not blatantly hot, you know, Whereas. Whereas, you know what I mean? Them hot in the teen shows and they're not, like, doing that and whatever. I'm like, I don't want to get feels too.

[A]

I know what you mean by too real. They are regular people being vampire. This is what vampires would look like in real.

[B]

And I don't like that. I don't like that at all. Oh, my God. This does remind me of a tik tok that I saw of a guy that was saying he was a taxi driver or he was an Uber driver, I can't remember. And he said he was like, in New Orleans one night or something and he picked up. Picked up two or three strangers and he said he just felt. He was like. They got in the back and the hairs in the back. His neck started standing up. It was like two girls and a guy, I think.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

And like, he was just like. Like, these are vampires. Like, like something like, these are vampires. And he said they, like, started having some playful banter with him and, like, look like a lot, a little threatening, but they would just, like, laugh it off, whatever. And he was just like. Like, oh, what the. And then they got out of the car and they told them to have a nice night and that they were going to go have fun and, you know, protect and protect himself. Be safe.

[A]

What the.

[B]

Yeah, he was like, okay. And I guess they tipped him really well. And then, like, that was it.

[A]

Okay, so, like, the vampires we I met were not like that.

[B]

No, exactly. I think these are mythical vampires that he just described. And I think what you're describing place are cosplayers. Cosplay. They.

[A]

Yeah, that feels like. Yeah, you felt something supernatural.

[B]

Yeah, no, he said he knew it from the moment that they, like, entered.

[A]

He was like, oh, no, this is not of God.

[B]

Yeah, this is not of God. Yes.

[A]

That is terrible.

[B]

Isn't it scary?

[A]

Because, like, you know, like, I don't believe in vampires, I guess, but then I'm like, something like that where I'm like, but, you know.

[B]

But your spirit. Yes. You know, like, somebody comes here, you're.

[A]

Like, something is different about this one O.

[B]

You know what? What? Have you ever been around someone who you would say is like a narcissist? I can think of two people who I've been around over the course of my life where I'm like. When I come around devo, the hairs on the back of my neck stand up like, and something's wrong. And I'm like, what if they were just vampires? You know, the.

[A]

I'm imagining that known. Have you known them for your whole life?

[B]

No.

[A]

Oh, then maybe.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. No, no. Okay, if.

[A]

With that in mind.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Who. If vampires are real.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What celebrities do you think I have one.

[B]

Who do you think is a vampire?

[A]

Serena Carpenter.

[B]

Oh, she looks like. She literally looks like a vampire. She has sharp. The sharp features, sharp nose.

[A]

The Teeth. Yeah, it's like two piercing. Her eyes look like they're piercing to you.

[B]

She looks like a vampire. She's a vampire. Yeah. And. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Who else? I think Billie Eilish would be a vampire.

[A]

Wow, that's a good one. Yeah, she.

[B]

Yeah, that's a vampire. Vampire.

[A]

She was. She's like a. A Bella kind of vampire. A little moody.

[B]

Bella. Wish she could be that cool. Bella is nowhere near, you know, like. Yeah, no. Who else would be a vampire?

[A]

I. There's the. I don't know if you're gonna know who this is. Gisele Bryant.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Desperate from. Not desperate. Piercing eyes.

[A]

She's like a little. She. She's one. They don't. They don't. They don't.

[B]

They don't actually. Like, they're boozy. Oh my God. Here she comes.

[A]

Is coming over here.

[B]

Jesus.

[A]

We're describing people with light eyes.

[B]

I see that. Miley. Oh, Miley. Yes.

[A]

Yeah, 100%. Miley was. Yeah, she was. She was auditioning. She said, I'm ready. She said, come bite me.

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay. I'm trying to think. Who is someone with dark eyes? Cuz. Actually, you know what? Ian, I mean, he obviously played, but he also looks vampirey. I would believe it.

[B]

He did. When he was playing the vampire. I never believed his brother looked that vampire. Stefan, you know, Damon, he. He looks vampirey. The brother Stefan, the main character. I was always like regular man. Like, yeah. If y' all want me to believe this man's a vampire, I guess y'. All.

[A]

I would argue Nicole Kidman and Alex Garza guard Alex Skarsgard.

[B]

For sure. Nicole Kidman gives vampires something about her. Whoa.

[A]

I think it's because she's like. She's very thin and like tall and pale and. Yeah. It just gives like.

[B]

I get that. Yeah.

[A]

But Alexander Skarsgard, I would go witch. She actually, you know What? Real.

[B]

She's 100% gives witch for sure.

[A]

Cuz there were people in my brain who would come to my like, like. And I think it's because they're witchy. Like Erykah Badu came up and I'm like, SZA gets witchy. I would also Salem take him to Salem. Yeah. They give witchy and not vampire similar energy, but different.

[B]

Yeah, for sure. Now Erykah Badu I can believe is vampire just because the way that was obsessed.

[A]

But it gets witchy too. She was just like, no Ling the.

[B]

Man with her charisma come. That's good pain.

[A]

That's what she was doing also. Lisa Bonet and Zoe Kravitz. Zoe Kravitz being a vampire. Definitely, definitely a witch if nothing else.

[B]

Definitely. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Zoe could be half.

[A]

Yeah. Of course.

[B]

She's a Renesmee. Half human. Yeah. She do look like a clean mix of both her pants parents.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She does look just like Lisa actually though.

[A]

But yeah, that looks copy paste. But he's there too. Lenny's in there.

[B]

I mean he's just like, you know, everybody light skinned. It's hard to know what's discernible. It's fair.

[A]

He could also be related to, you know.

[B]

Hello. All of them. At the end of the day, Twilight Gross over $7 million in ticket sales from midnight showings alone.

[A]

Holy.

[B]

On November 21, 2008.

[A]

That's like the very first day.

[B]

Yeah. Day one. Midnight showings alone 7 million.

[A]

I am honestly sad that like midnight premieres, they kind of moot now because you can go at 9pm I know.

[B]

I know, I know. A midnight premiere was definitely a whole thing. The film is fifth overall on Fandango's list of top advanced ticket sales. Outranked only by its sequel the following year.

[A]

What? That's crazy. That's really crazy.

[B]

Isn't that crazy?

[A]

I mean, it makes it.

[B]

Other things on that list are Star Wars, Episode 3, Revenge of the Sith, Dark Knight, Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

And it's weekend gross was the highest ever of a female director film, surpassing Deep Impact 1998.

[A]

Wow. That's crazy. I believe it though. Like you said, like it. I did not pick up on the book craze, but I know once those movies dropped, it was. I mean you could not. Everywhere you went, there was Twilight.

[B]

Everywhere.

[A]

Everywhere.

[B]

Everywhere.

[A]

T shirts, bracelets, book bags.

[B]

Like how can I decide what's right?

[A]

Sorry, you. I. I really was trying to like.

[B]

You really did.

[A]

So where are we going?

[B]

When you're clouding up my mind I can win your losing fight Come on. All the time.

[A]

Oh, I don't know the lyrics like that, but I loved that for you.

[B]

Thanks.

[A]

I felt it was good. A couple of those notes were really.

[B]

Thanks. It was really. I really channeled Haley. Like I really did.

[A]

Like the spirit came.

[B]

That's a black ass last name anyways. Neither here nor there. Yeah. You don't think so?

[A]

I feel like they're blacker last names.

[B]

I mean.

[A]

Jackson Jenkins.

[B]

Which side character has to go or which character? Just overall, what character has to go?

[A]

The first person that came to mind was Rosalie. Cuz she was.

[B]

She kind of can go.

[A]

Especially in the first movie. Specifically in the first movie. She was just. Dude.

[B]

Awful permanent scowl on her face.

[A]

Yes. She gives the ultimate white woman energy. Just like.

[B]

Which is crazy because Nikki Reed is not white.

[A]

What?

[B]

You know what? I actually think I debunked this. I think in my brain, Nikki Reed was not white.

[A]

I am so.

[B]

And then I went and checked, and it was just different flavors of white that was listed. And I said, oh. Because Nikki Reed also was in the movie 13. I don't know if you ever saw that movie.

[A]

She's a little girl.

[B]

She wrote it, too.

[A]

I thought it was Rachel. Evan Woods.

[B]

Her too.

[A]

They wrote it together.

[B]

They're both. I don't know if they wrote it together, but they're. They both co star in it.

[A]

That was her life.

[B]

Yeah. That was Nikki. That was Nikki. Yeah, that was.

[A]

I did not realize she was Rosalie.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, she's Rosalie. And in that movie in 13, she plays, like, a Latina girl. Question mark. Question mark.

[A]

Right, Evie. No, that's what I'm saying. I did not know this was the same person. I am literally like. That doesn't make sense.

[B]

Right?

[A]

I'm assuming that had to be a way. A wig, then. Had to be a wig.

[B]

What had to be a wig.

[A]

She's blonde in the movie. In. In Twilight.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

[B]

Wow. Oh, that's kind of crazy, right? Let me see. She also starred Evan. Rachel Wood, released 2003 the Power. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. As both a screenwriter and an actress. Yeah. She wrote it and she act. And she was actually 13.

[A]

That movie is crazy. I watched it recently, and it's a very crazy movie. It's very crazy. It's good. It's very up.

[B]

Oh. Re's mother is Cherokee. He Italian.

[A]

Ah, okay.

[B]

Whereas her father is a set designer and Jewish. Okay, Wikipedia. Why did y' all put set designer like that?

[A]

Ethnicity. He's a part set designer. Yeah. It really shows up. That explains it.

[B]

That's why she.

[A]

Hair texture.

[B]

I'm joking. But yeah. Yes. In her hair. Yeah. The set designer is in the hair texture. Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But yeah, Nikki Reed can definitely go. All right, We're. Rosalie can go. I get that.

[A]

Yeah. I think all of her friends in high school. Unnecessary.

[B]

Well, of course. Of course. Annoying. Unfortunately, all of the other wolves, except for Leah can go.

[A]

Oh, I forgot about Leah.

[B]

Yeah. She was the only girl, so, you know, feminism. I got to sickle my girl. I also liked the. The big main wolf before Jacob Became the main wolf. I can't remember.

[A]

I knew Sam. Yeah, yeah he can.

[B]

He can say. Say everybody else should clear mouth including Jacob. No, aside from Jacob all know also.

[A]

I remember like by the time we get to the last book we're going through their different thoughts people's heads. And I was like I don't need to be.

[B]

I agree. I'm like. And I didn't like the wolves. I'm like the way. The way that they made them look. I'm like this looks bad. I agree.

[A]

I hated the way the wolves looked in the movies.

[B]

Also I think Stephanie Meer or Katherine Hardwick. I can't remember exactly which one. I think it was Stephanie Meyer her didn't give the native American group that she got the inspiration for the tattoos that they have on their arms. Credit any Payment any. Credit any. Anything.

[A]

I don't like that.

[B]

And just like stole their. Stole their. I can't remember if it was Catherine Har. It had to be Catherine like just sold their. And that was just. That's part of Twilight and they got nothing from it which sucks very much sucks.

[A]

It's especially. I mean it's very of the time that feels so 2005 or 8 whatever. Like it feels very like. Yeah, we don't care.

[B]

Yeah exactly.

[A]

But yeah so also cuz like Taylor Loner. I cannot imagine his native. He was just tan.

[B]

I deeply. Can I what now? What is Taylor Lautner's race?

[A]

Some type of spice I imagine. Maybe Latino.

[B]

His wife's name is Taylor too.

[A]

They have a. I didn't know that.

[B]

Yeah, the Taylor Taylors. Yeah. Damn, he's only 33.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

Geez.

[A]

I thought it was.

[B]

You gotta be some sort of.

[A]

Maybe Latino.

[B]

Maybe French.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

French.

[A]

Oh he is French. Okay.

[B]

German.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Distant Native American ancestry.

[A]

They added that in after Twilight. Yeah. All right. But sure, sure, sure from you. Okay. Go off.

[B]

Okay. Anyways, that's all.

[A]

But yeah no I truly Twilight was such a moment. Like I feel like also it was just a very fun time. It felt like the era when like teen movies felt for teens.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Like I feel like now culture's kind of all over because when you watch.

[B]

It as an adult you're like woo.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This stinks. Oh brother. This guy stinks very much.

[A]

Yeah, I'm sure my mom probably would.

[B]

Have hated twad and rightfully so she would have.

[A]

But at this point it's a good the 20 years. It's a good kind of bad. It is crazy to think that this the way we think of like sixteen Candles or Ferris Bueller's Day off is the way that somebody in high school right now thinks of Twilight.

[B]

No, no, I think Twilight has still. Just because of like social media and all that. I think Twilight has still maintained a certain level of relevance. Relevance that like. Or like constant popularity. I should say not even relevance, but.

[A]

Like, but I'm saying think about when we were in school or I keep saying breakfast like Tiffany's and I mean Ferris Bueller's Day long. That felt it was not irrelevant. Everyone you knew knew that movie. Oh, was that a Missouri thing?

[B]

Maybe that's a. Yeah, I mean now I did. I watched it at school during a rainy day. Again, that was my intro to it. Sure. But like prior to that I did not know anything about Ferris Bueller's Day Off. But I'm also black. You know what I mean?

[A]

Oh, oh, you're right.

[B]

And also I thought you can't relate.

[A]

Right, right, right. No. Oh, oh, you know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, that does that. But yeah, I really didn't know white when I was like, when I was like before middle school I did not know.

[A]

I guess I would argue that Twilight is white.

[B]

Before middle school I did not know white and now.

[A]

But I think the, the argument I'm trying to make.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is that I think the way those movies felt culturally relevant at the time to us in the same way. And I don't, I guess I don't know. I, I understand what you mean by the Internet. The Internet kind of is a great equalizer in a lot of ways where like we were watching those movies in a way that people who are watching Twilight are not consuming, they're consuming it different than we are.

[B]

Like I think if I called my 12 year old niece right now, who is, who is Gen Alpha, Sure I would be like Team Edward or Team Jacob. She would respond with an dancer, you know, as opposed to like being like wait, Twilight, you know, like, oh, like I kind of know about it. Whatever. I think she would be like Team Jacob or Team Ever, you know.

[A]

And you don't think that we felt that way about. I mean I can certainly say I didn't. Well, I don't think they had the same type of those movies. Didn't. But like. I know what you mean. Yeah, I, I guess because I'm like, I guess I can't think of a question from Ferris Bueller.

[B]

I can't really think of anything specific from Ferris Bueller. I know the movie. I know Sloan and Fairs and the, the Buddy and whatever. But like I'm like, yeah, I can't.

[A]

You know, like that. Okay, fair, Fair. Okay, fair enough. Maybe. And then maybe that's kind of a testament to Twilight's like, like, lasting power and cultural impact in a way that's like, it also, because the commercialization of it was just like. It was everywhere.

[B]

And there's just like, something. I don't know if Sixteen Candles was a book. I doubt it.

[A]

I don't think so.

[B]

And I don't think Ferris Buell is a book either. But there's just something to like. Like that book to film thing. I think Harry Potter kind of started that fandom. And you see how Harry Potter remains still to this day enormous right now among generations. You know, you. You read it in company.

[A]

You loved it.

[B]

My niece knows Harry Pot. My niece is a Harry Potter fan. Again, Jen Alpha.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

She's a Slytherin, you know, just like her aunt. But, yeah. And I think Twilight kind of followed that Harry Potter model and therefore has maintained a level of cultural relevance that other. Other movies before that time weren't able to. Just because, again, the Internet wasn't around. Fandom wasn't really a thing. Like that. Fandom became a thing.

[A]

You're right.

[B]

Phantom before that, I would say was like, boy, was like, band specific, you know, like, oh, I'm a groupie of this band. Right. But like, not like, oh, this franchise I'm obsessed with.

[A]

I'm also realizing that this also came up in the era of the Internet.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm like, I'm also like, this was like peak. MySpace, Facebook, Tumblr. Like, this was like, peak that era.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So then it made the fandom even more like.

[B]

Yeah. 100. And it could drag multiple people in, you know, like, way more. Right. It's just a gateway drug. I think that's it for our show.

[A]

Yeah. Wow. Wow.

[B]

Anything else you want to say?

[A]

No.

[B]

What would my vampire power be? I've been trying to think about it this whole time in the background. I don't know. I want to say, because you already have super speed. I am fast. I am black.

[A]

You don't get hungry.

[B]

Teeny tiny sk.

[A]

What?

[B]

Way skinny legend. You know what I mean?

[A]

You don't need to sleep.

[B]

I mean, that's a lie. Would you.

[A]

They don't sleep.

[B]

I would like to, though. I would like it, though.

[A]

I'm going to. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know about you guys. Like, yeah, that's my superpower.

[A]

The coffin is calling me.

[B]

I can sleep. And they're. Oh, Mine would be Fountain of Youth.

[A]

No, that's. What do you mean? You already are for other people. Oh, like from your vagina.

[B]

All you is my sons.

[A]

Oh, you could. And I ain't talking about Phoenix. Whoa, Sorry. We are not Barbs.

[B]

I am.

[A]

I, I, I'm don't.

[B]

You could call me so many things before you called me about Barb.

[A]

Someone.

[B]

You could call me a furry.

[A]

Yeah. Oh my God.

[B]

You could call me so many things.

[A]

I. Someone asked if I was a Barb and I recoiled.

[B]

I get it.

[A]

I legitimately said. Cuz it was like it was a straight woman.

[B]

That's homophobic. I.

[A]

It was a straight woman and I. It is.

[B]

It is, it is.

[A]

I think I just like referenced black.

[B]

Gay man, said Barb.

[A]

And I said, I have a job.

[B]

I'm grown and I have a job.

[A]

I do not know. I was very offended. And then I literally was like, that is like asking, like when straight women ask men, do you like Beyonce? It is like a. It is a. It's telling of like who that man is. Like if he doesn't like Beyonce.

[B]

Okay, that's telling. Yes.

[A]

In the gay world, I'm gonna ask, are you a Barb or do you like Nicki Minaj? And depending on your response, I'm like telling.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It is telling of what I'm about to get into and who I'm about to do with.

[B]

Fact, fact.

[A]

And same with like if you're a Team Edward of Team Jacob.

[B]

I think Telling, telling, telling. And I, and I agree. Anyways, that's it for our show today. Ryan, do you have anything you want to tell the folks before we wrap up? No.

[A]

Chilling. Chilling.

[B]

Okay, cool. Chilling. And, and likewise, if you want to watch us on YouTube, you know where you can find it. You know the name of the show, so search it. You know how to use Internet? The link will be in the show notes.

[A]

I was about to quote Nicki Minaj again and I don't want to do that.

[B]

I. I am quoting, so.

[A]

I know, I know. But I was. I'm going to do the thing.

[B]

I just had an opinion Epiphany. I need to go to Tiffany. I don't know after that Gucci, my cookies always slippery. I don't need help. I pay the bills on time.

[A]

I don't know if that's.

[B]

Yeah, that's all matter.

[A]

We've losing. Losing legends. No, sorry. I'm not gonna take that away from her.

[B]

She is a legend. She's gone anyways, anyway. Okay, bye. By.

[A]

Sam.