Twitches

Summary

Black People Love Paramore — "Twitches" (October 30, 2025)

Overview

In this lively and witty episode, hosts Sequoia Holmes and Ryan Grant celebrate the 20th anniversary of “Twitches,” the beloved Disney Channel Original Movie (DCOM) starring Tia and Tamera Mowry as magical twin sisters. The hosts reminisce about the film’s influence, dissect twin tropes in pop culture, debate whether "Twitches" is truly a Halloween movie, and compare it to other iconic DCOMs and fictional witches. Their conversation covers representation, ‘90s/2000s nostalgia, and, as always, lots of irreverent humor and hot takes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Gemini-Twin-Witch Connection (01:12 – 01:53)

• The hosts, both Geminis, find it “appropriate for Geminis” to discuss “Twitches,” a story about twin witches. Sequoia self-identifies as a witch, poking fun at the gendered term “warlock.”
• [01:46] Sequoia: “And as Geminis, that feels like it makes sense to me.”

Is "Twitches" a Halloween Movie? (04:16 – 05:04)

• Ryan admits he forgot the film is set on Halloween; initially thinking it was just a “fall movie about witches.”
• Sequoia posits, “If there’s magic and it’s fall, it’s Halloween.” Ryan is skeptical, using “Harry Potter” as a counterexample.
  • [04:37] Sequoia: “If there’s magic and it’s fall, it’s Halloween.”
  • [05:01] Ryan: “What? You can’t just say no.”
• They clarify “Twitches” is definitely a Halloween movie.

The Great Twin Debate (05:12 – 10:31)

• Extended riff on which pop culture twins “look like twins”—Tia and Tamera, Olsen twins, Dylan and Cole Sprouse, etc.
• Sequoia claims Tia and Tamera “look like siblings… not twins,” prompting friendly incredulity.
  • [05:57] Sequoia: “They look like siblings who look a lot alike.”
  • [06:08] Ryan: “Tea and Tamera look like twins. The only difference is one has a mole and the other one does not.”
• They riff on people constantly being told they look like others, often with questionable resemblance.

Recapping the Plot & Sister Sister Parallels (08:23 – 09:43)

• Sequoia and Ryan break down the “Twitches” plot: twins separated at birth, one rich (Cameron), one poor (Alex), reuniting at 21 in classic mistaken-identity fashion much like “Sister, Sister.”
• Sequoia notes both properties involve meeting at a mall.
  • [09:12] Sequoia: “This movie was based on a book, that’s how it went in the book.”

Mythological Easter Eggs & Character Trivia (11:41 – 12:02)

• Fun facts: The twins’ birth names are Apollo and Artemis—nods to Greek myth (sun and moon).
  • [11:55] Ryan: “That’s how you know which one’s which. The one who wears the moon is Artemis… Apollo is the god of the sun.”

Zodiac Signs and Character Accuracy (12:21 – 13:02)

• They confirm the twins' birthday is on Halloween, making them Scorpios (water signs).
• Sequoia: “Tamara’s character couldn’t be mysterious, dark, moody if her life depended on it.”
• Ryan: “She’s literally bubblegum pink. She’s like Glinda.”

Casting Oddities and Race-Blind Choices (13:13 – 14:08)

• Both note the twins’ mother “looks too close [in age] to their kids” and “too biracial” for the supposed parentage, likening it to “race-blind casting” in ’90s “Cinderella.”
• [13:25] Sequoia: “She looks too biracial to have a white dad… and for those kids to look as Black as they did.”

Production and Canadian Connection (15:04 – 15:13)

• Sequoia points out “Twitches” was filmed in Toronto; Ryan recognizes Cameron’s house as Regina George’s from “Mean Girls.”
  • [14:52] Ryan: “Regina George’s house. It is the same house. When I was watching it, I was like, that is that house.”

The Scary (or Not) Darkness & DCOM Ratings (15:38 – 17:32)

• Sequoia: “The darkness scared the hell out of me as a child. I was genuinely like, this is a horror film.”
• Ryan says the special effects “looked bad but not scary.”
• The movie’s Disney Channel debut drew over 7 million viewers—“the best DCOM ratings at that time.”
  • [17:21] Sequoia: “The movie drew in 21.5 million viewers and four airings on its first weekend and was the week’s most popular cable program, period.”

Disney Channel vs. Nickelodeon (18:00 – 19:07)

• The hosts discuss why Disney Channel dominated with seasonal movies and why Nickelodeon never matched DCOM’s formula.
  • [18:08] Sequoia: “…because you’re putting all your money in Dan Sniper. And that was the real problem.”

DCOMs and Pop Culture Impact (19:32 – 20:22)

• Sequoia and Ryan agree Disney’s output “had a chokehold on children,” especially around Halloween and Christmas.
• They debate the relative impact of DCOMs and Nickelodeon’s approach to theatrical movies.

Is "Twitches" Better Than "Halloweentown"? (22:17 – 24:29)

• Both discuss arguments that “Twitches” is Gen Z’s Halloween movie and “Halloweentown” Millennials’, ultimately rejecting the generational split (“Twitches belongs to at large. Period.”).
  • [22:45] Sequoia: “Twitches belongs to at large, period. And Halloweentown belongs to me.”

Comparing Plot Holes & Funny Observations (24:29 – 26:12)

• The hosts notice continuity goofs, like scenes where Tia fills in for Tamara due to illness and vice versa.
• Laundry humor: “I know them clothes stank.”
  • [25:54] Sequoia: “Hitting the armpits with some Febreze.”

“Positive” Blended Families and Adoptive Representation (30:42 – 33:09)

• The show notes “Twitches” represents a positive depiction of adoptive families, referencing “Life With Derek” and its notorious step-sibling sexual tension.
• Both agree “Twitches” parallels “Sister, Sister” as Black adoptive family representation.

Pick Your Witch! — Bracket Segment (40:47 – 44:44)

• Sequoia and Ryan play a hilarious “one’s gotta go/only keep one” game with Disney witches: Twitches, Hocus Pocus, Halloweentown, Wizards of Waverly Place, Maleficent, Snow White’s Evil Queen, Ursula, and Agatha Harkness.
  • [42:54] Ryan: “I think Hocus Pocus…those are the ones I want to hang out with.”
  • [44:13] Sequoia: “I’m gonna go with Halloweentown… It’s a coming-of-age story and I do like coming-of-age.”

Pick Your Fave Twins! — Bracket Segment (44:54 – 47:52)

• Sets include: Mowrys, Olsens, Parent Trap, Sprouses, Fred/George (Harry Potter). Ryan picks the Olsens (“the best set of twins… the Olsen twins have way more movies”), Sequoia “chooses the Blacks.”
• Nostalgic sidebar: Britney vs. NSync/Backstreet Boys divide as a “millennial/zillennial” test.

Build-Your-Own Witch Coven (48:14 – 50:09)

• Each drafts dream “witch covens” from pop culture and real life:
  • Sequoia: Angela Bassett (American Horror Story), Bonnie Bennett (Vampire Diaries), Elphaba (Wicked)
  • Ryan: Erykah Badu, Sabrina (Sabrina the Teenage Witch), Jessica Lange & Emma Roberts (“American Horror Story”)
• [48:32] Ryan: “I feel like [Erykah Badu would] have some real, good stuff. Deep-rooted magic.”

"Twitches" & Twin Fantasies (51:02 – 51:35)

• Both hosts relate to wanting a twin as Gemini kids and invite listeners to comment with Gemini emojis if they relate.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [04:37] Sequoia: “If there’s magic and it’s fall, it’s Halloween.”
• [13:25] Sequoia: “She looks too biracial to have a white dad… and for those kids to look as Black as they did.”
• [14:52] Ryan: “Regina George’s house. It is the same house. I fully recognize this house.”
• [15:38] Sequoia: “The darkness scared the hell out of me as a child. I was genuinely like, this is a horror film.”
• [17:21] Sequoia: “The movie drew in 21.5 million viewers… week’s most popular cable program, period.”
• [25:54] Sequoia: “I know them clothes stank. I know they was dry cleaning the hell out of them.”
• [32:18] Sequoia: “Once you see it, you can’t unsee it.”
• [42:54] Ryan: “I think Hocus Pocus… those are the ones I want to hang out with.”
• [44:13] Sequoia: “I’m going to go with Halloweentown… It’s a coming-of-age story.”
• [48:32] Ryan: “I want Erykah Badu. She’d have some real good stuff. Deep-rooted magic.”
• [51:02] Sequoia: “I would have given anything to be a twin and a witch. That’s the Gemini in us."
• [52:54] Ryan (making up spells): “Success is coming, and you shall have no fear.”

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Key Timestamps

• 01:12 — The “Gemini” and twin-witch intro
• 04:16–05:04 — Is Twitches a Halloween movie?
• 08:23–09:43 — Recap of Twitches plot and Sister Sister parallels
• 11:41 — Twin names as Apollo & Artemis (mythology trivia)
• 13:13 — Casting oddities and “race-blind” Disney casting
• 14:52 — Recognizing the “Mean Girls” house
• 15:38–17:32 — The “darkness” and Twitches’ ratings smash
• 18:00–19:07 — Disney vs. Nickelodeon DCOM discussion
• 22:17 — Comparing Twitches & Halloweentown
• 24:29–26:12 — Continuity goofs and “those clothes stank”
• 30:42–33:09 — Positive Black adoptive/blended family rep
• 40:47–44:44 — Best Disney witch bracket
• 44:54–47:52 — Pick your favorite twins bracket
• 48:14–50:09 — Dream witch coven draft
• 51:02 — The twin fantasy & Gemini anecdotes
• 52:54 — Podcast-signoff “spell”: “Success is coming, and you shall have no fear.”

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Tone & Language

Throughout, the conversation is fast-paced, playful, self-deprecating, and references Black pop culture in-jokes and generational divides. Both hosts combine deep affection for nostalgic content with clear-eyed critiques, all filtered through their signature comic banter.

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Conclusion

Sequoia and Ryan deliver a “fun watch” of a podcast episode, reliving “Twitches” and all its millennial/Zillennial trappings—from DCOM trivia to witch culture, twin representation, and that perennial childhood wish to discover you, too, might be a magical twin. Packed with sharp observations and warm nostalgia, the episode is a celebration not only of “Twitches” but of underrepresented slices of Black pop culture joy.

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Transcript

[Sequoia]

Hi, everyone.

[Ryan Grant]

Oh, are we gonna start later?

[Sequoia]

Yes. We can start off sexy and slow and low. You think that's good?

[Ryan Grant]

Welcome to Black People Love Love Paramor. We help each other, see each other. What is up? You have through the fires, through the quiet, quiet storm. Everybody out there, if you feel like you aren't seen, we want you to know that we see you right now.

[Sequoia]

We're doing this because it's fall and it's a good season to get into the ASMR hall. So welcome to Black People Love Paramore. We're not going to talk like this whole time, but let me get through the intro. Just let me get through the intro with it. Welcome to Black People Love Paramore, a pop culture podcast. Not about the band of Paramore, but about the common as well as the uncommon interests of black people. In order to help the community, you and I feel a little bit more seen.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah.

[Sequoia]

Yeah. I am Sequoia.

[Ryan Grant]

And I'm Ryan Grant.

[Sequoia]

And today we are going to be talking about twitches, twin witches, which feels very appropriate for Geminis.

[Ryan Grant]

Love the. Can we do the. You don't. Sequoia's giving me the face. No, I love the. The low voice.

[Sequoia]

Oh, you want to keep the low voice.

[Ryan Grant]

I. We don't have to do the whole time.

[Sequoia]

We're not going to do it the whole time.

[Ryan Grant]

It's kind of. This is like. It feels good. No. You don't like it?

[Sequoia]

I don't like yours.

[Ryan Grant]

Oh, is it. Is it lower?

[Sequoia]

It's weird. It's very weird.

[Ryan Grant]

My bucket.

[Sequoia]

Anyways. Talking about switches. Yeah. And as Geminis. That feels like it makes sense to me.

[Ryan Grant]

It didn't even cross my mind.

[Sequoia]

And I am a witch. Oh, not you as much, but you're just not witches or women.

[Ryan Grant]

It's. Oh, so I'm a warlock.

[Sequoia]

Yeah, but that's lame.

[Ryan Grant]

What the. I'm a wizard. I'm. I'm offended. Why? Really? I was excited when you brought up twins. Oh, and I like that didn't click by my brain that we were. Gemini's doing this and then you immediately took it away from me. Why would you do that? See, I hope get her.

[Sequoia]

Get her feels appropriate for the political climate that we're in. Anyways, first of all, take a second to rate us and write us review on Apple podcast, Spotify, all the things go on YouTube comment and all that stuff. But also you can go on our social media pages. Sorry. The cats are fighting as they do. That's how that's been playing. That's okay. It was not used to say that. Wasn't even aggressive. Chanel hasn't even started her noises yet. Oh, well, Chanel.

[Ryan Grant]

Oh, birth control, is it?

[Sequoia]

I'm not on birth control anymore. No. Oh, let me knock on wood before one of y' all start playing with my womb, trying to voodoo me to get pregnant or something.

[Ryan Grant]

Oh, my. This took so many.

[Sequoia]

Anyways, this is just. This is stuff you have to look out for when you're a witch. I wouldn't expect you to get it. But anyways, yeah, we're talking about Twitches. Yeah. Which was a lovely Disney Channel original movie that came out on October 14, 2005. So this is the 20th anniversary. That's insane. I don't understand how both me and twitches are 20 because I'm born in 94, but it's. It was born in 2005, and yet we're both 20.

[Ryan Grant]

It's so.

[Sequoia]

It doesn't, like, quite make sense.

[Ryan Grant]

Like, it's like, is this. I feel like they're lying. They're lying.

[Sequoia]

You know what I mean? Somebody's.

[Ryan Grant]

Someone math you. No.

[Sequoia]

Certainly is not mine.

[Ryan Grant]

This 20 year old sitting in front of me is clearly not lying. Yeah, you know, I think it's just, you know, the Internet loves to, like, make things up. I think the Internet made up the release date.

[Sequoia]

They made that up? Yeah, they made that up. You made that up.

[Ryan Grant]

You just gave that.

[Sequoia]

They made Stupid. Right? Anyways, you can also interact with us on social media. The social media has been growing. Our social media person is doing a Stell job. And if you would like to check what we're doing, you can follow us at BPLP pod, of course. Across all social media platforms.

[Ryan Grant]

Amen.

[Sequoia]

We're on Twitter X still, but are you on Twitter? Because I've had enough and I don't want to support that. I don't want to support that man either. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, so Twitches is a channel original movie starring Tia and Tamara, and they're playing witches. Right. Naturally, they were separated at birth and they reunite on their 21st birthday.

[Ryan Grant]

And you know what's crazy? I knew that this movie was about twin witches.

[Sequoia]

Yes.

[Ryan Grant]

I was like, it's not a Halloween movie.

[Sequoia]

It's a Halloween movie.

[Ryan Grant]

Their birthday is Halloween. And I was like, no. And then I rewatched and I was like, oh, it fully takes place on.

[Sequoia]

It is a Halloween movie. Like, actually a Halloween movie.

[Ryan Grant]

I thought it was just a fall movie about witches. I was way wrong.

[Sequoia]

They are literally born just a fall movie about witches. Is A Halloween?

[Ryan Grant]

No, that's not. That happens all the time. Practical Magic is a fall movie about witches. It's not Halloween.

[Sequoia]

Practical magic is a Halloween movie.

[Ryan Grant]

It's just, they're just like in a fall like city.

[Sequoia]

If there's magic and it's fall, it's Halloween.

[Ryan Grant]

That is not.

[Sequoia]

If there's magic and it's fall, it's Halloween. All right.

[Ryan Grant]

Harry Potter.

[Sequoia]

That's not fall.

[Ryan Grant]

What do you mean? It does take place in the fall. They start school in the fall.

[Sequoia]

No.

[Ryan Grant]

What? You can't just say no. No, that's not, that's not how I've.

[Sequoia]

Never seen Harry Potter. So.

[Ryan Grant]

All right.

[Sequoia]

Anyways.

[Ryan Grant]

A girl.

[Sequoia]

Yeah. So they, they are separate at birth. And then they meet on their 21st birthday when I think, well, first of all, they got Tia playing poor again as they had her playing in Sister Sister as well.

[Ryan Grant]

I, I, I don't, I can. Don't drag me.

[Sequoia]

Y' all too late.

[Ryan Grant]

I don't know who is Tia and who is Tamara. I know that they are different people. Like, I can see in their faces that they look different.

[Sequoia]

They look deeply.

[Ryan Grant]

I don't know which one.

[Sequoia]

They look like siblings. They don't even look like twins to me.

[Ryan Grant]

That is insane.

[Sequoia]

They're like sisters.

[Ryan Grant]

Like twins.

[Sequoia]

They look like sisters who look a lot alike.

[Ryan Grant]

Like twins. No, like what you're describing is a twin.

[Sequoia]

Ashley and Mary Kate. Damn. I've never said their names. Mary Kay and Ashley look like twins.

[Ryan Grant]

And Tn Tamara just look like sisters.

[Sequoia]

Yes. Look like siblings who look a lot alike.

[Ryan Grant]

I, I, I think what you're saying.

[Sequoia]

They look like Elizabeth Olsen. How? She looks a lot like Mary Kate. Naturally.

[Ryan Grant]

I know what you're about to say, and I don't. Tea and Tamara look like twins. The only difference is one has a mole and the other one does not.

[Sequoia]

That's not the only difference.

[Ryan Grant]

What are the other differences?

[Sequoia]

Totally different. Their face shapes are different. Their noses are different. The way that they hold. Their faces are different. I think they did a test. I think they were identical. Oh. If I'm not mistaken.

[Ryan Grant]

Okay, fair.

[Sequoia]

She'll be looking different. Well, Nicole look like different people have the time. I don't know which is which, but.

[Ryan Grant]

I do know that they look Twin radar is insane.

[Sequoia]

They just look different. Mary Kay and Ashley don't look different. Or they didn't. Now they do on purpose. But they didn't always.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah, well, that's fair.

[Sequoia]

Yeah.

[Ryan Grant]

But I, I feel like Dylan and Cole also are identical and also look the same.

[Sequoia]

They don't look the same to me. What? They don't look. They don't look alike.

[Ryan Grant]

So other than Mary Kate and Ashley, name said the Claremont twins identical.

[Sequoia]

I don't know.

[Ryan Grant]

Well, that's surgery. So, like, to be fair, that wasn't like, make us look the same.

[Sequoia]

Who else is other twins. Twins. In pop culture, there have to be Lindsay Lohan and Lindsay Lohan and those two.

[Ryan Grant]

Right. Legitimately identical.

[Sequoia]

Down.

[Ryan Grant]

It's crazy that the other twins stop acting. I. It really made me sad.

[Sequoia]

That's really sad.

[Ryan Grant]

Like, why would she just give up her career?

[Sequoia]

Malika and Khadijah, they don't look alike.

[Ryan Grant]

What the. Are that. What is it? Who they? Who the hell are they? Oh, those are. Those are Chloe's people.

[Sequoia]

Exactly. Her pets. Yeah.

[Ryan Grant]

They were actresses. They were also in Sky High, which I know you didn't watch because you didn't. Boy poor.

[Sequoia]

I had no clue that they were in Sky. I'm pretty sure they were an atl.

[Ryan Grant]

They look. I didn't remember them. Yeah, they were in Sky High. And, like, they were. They played one character whose power was to multiply. So it's a very fun way to put.

[Sequoia]

That was a good way to.

[Ryan Grant]

I believe you don't. Sky High.

[Sequoia]

I hate that. You know, boy, if you all tell.

[Ryan Grant]

Sequoia that she should. Boy, what are boy things that we should make Sequoia watch so we can talk about it. I want to force her. If you want Sky High, let us know.

[Sequoia]

I won't watch it. No, please. Sky High.

[Ryan Grant]

So fun.

[Sequoia]

I have no interest.

[Ryan Grant]

The little boy from DL Hugh Hughley show is also on Sky High.

[Sequoia]

Are you talking about Taj Maui that.

[Ryan Grant]

He was not in DL Hughley Show. Shut up.

[Sequoia]

Who was India had a sitcom.

[Ryan Grant]

You know that he had a whole Hughleys. Yes.

[Sequoia]

No. I don't know.

[Ryan Grant]

Anyway, so you.

[Sequoia]

Okay, back to twitches. Yes. Tia plays a character called Alex. And Tamara. Tamara plays a character called Cameron, goes by Cam. Tamara's from, like, a rich black family, right? And they've adopted her. She's like a princess. Damn near. You know, she's not, actually, but she's like a princess. And then Tia's poor. Her mom has died. Don't know where her dad was. I assume she had a single mom situation. Her adopted mom has died. She's sleeping on her best friend's couch, right? And then it's her 21st birthday, and it's Tamara's 21st birthday. They meet as they're out shopping. Tamara's out shopping for her Party.

[Ryan Grant]

And Tia's looking for a job, and.

[Sequoia]

Tia's looking for a job. And so they end up in the same store. And it's essentially the exact same thing that happens in Sister Sister.

[Ryan Grant]

I was gonna say, I'm like, did they literally, when they were developing this movie, did they just go, sister Sister, but with magic?

[Sequoia]

So funny enough, this movie was based on a book, so this is how it went in the book.

[Ryan Grant]

Shut.

[Sequoia]

That's what. That's what I heard from the book. Doubtful. It just feels like.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah, it just feels like, you know.

[Sequoia]

What 20 something girls? Like, you know, a teen girl demographic, likes shopping. Yeah. So they'll meet at a mall very early, right? Yeah. So they meet there. They, like, have pretty much the same experience as Sister Sister. They literally run into each other and they're like, and also, you look just like me.

[Ryan Grant]

There's several other, like, almost meet cutes before. Like, they're on the bus, in the car, and like, they. And I feel like, do you think you would notice someone that looked like you even in passing? I think if I noticed someone who is too similar to me in passing, I would at minimum pause and go, what? They. They near missed each other like four times before actually seeing each other.

[Sequoia]

Would I notice someone who looked like me? I'm not positive.

[Ryan Grant]

You don't think so?

[Sequoia]

I think. I don't know. I don't. Have you ever seen somebody and thought they looked like you?

[Ryan Grant]

No. But, you know when people text me and go, this person looks just like you, and then they basically send me like, Shrek, and I'm like, I'm like, why? And then I'm like, oh, thank you for telling me that you think I'm ugly.

[Sequoia]

The only time people have told me I look like somebody who wasn't famous, they. I've thought, no, that person does look like me. People have said it to me. I'm like, oh, no, I definitely see what you mean.

[Ryan Grant]

Really?

[Sequoia]

Yeah. And they've always. They've always been like, you know, regular black girls like me. You know, I'm like, oh, yeah, that's like, oh, yeah, that does look like me.

[Ryan Grant]

Every time someone sends me a photo of someone, I'm like, you're like, that's ugly. You think I'm heinous.

[Sequoia]

Wow. And everybody has that experience too. Like, people have said it where I'm like, oh, I'm showing you this person. I think they're really cute. They look just like you. And they're like, oh, this is what you think I look like? And I'm like, yeah. Oh, sorry. I don't know.

[Ryan Grant]

I mean, not kidding. No, my friend, I remember, yeah. He sent me a photo of somebody in the club, and it was just a man, drunk and bald. And I was like, he's just black, bald and drunk. And I was like, is that what you think I am?

[Sequoia]

Just a drunk black ball man?

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah, it was crazy. But yeah. So they meet them all and because remember, they have two helpers. So this is like. This movie is a little bit. I guess it's based on the book. I did not know it was based on a book. But they have two helpers, which remind me a little bit of like, Hercules. Well, no, I guess they were trying to hurt Hercules. They weren't trying to help him remember pain and panic and how they, like, were, like, around. I forgot. You didn't. Boy, keep going. You don't know the girls who get it, get it. And Sequoia does not.

[Sequoia]

Never seen Hercules. Keep going.

[Ryan Grant]

I've. Never mind. Yeah, because there's also another Greek mythology thing, but you don't get that either. That's why their names are Apollo and Artemis.

[Sequoia]

Wow. There's like some. Some trivia here that our producer has. Has added. And I feel like I've already spoiled half of it. But I'm gonna ask you anyways.

[Ryan Grant]

Oh.

[Sequoia]

What are the twins birth names?

[Ryan Grant]

Oh, that's what I was just saying. This is also. It's Apollo and Artemis, which is Greek mythology.

[Sequoia]

Yes.

[Ryan Grant]

And that's how you know which one's which. The one who wears the moon is Artemis because that's the goddess of the harvest and the moon.

[Sequoia]

Okay.

[Ryan Grant]

And then Apollo is the sun, because Apollo is the God of the sun.

[Sequoia]

Yeah, you're. You're a very.

[Ryan Grant]

I love Greek mythology.

[Sequoia]

I always hated that too. It felt like boy. Yeah. Oh, my God. And I don't speak boy.

[Ryan Grant]

I don't know what that means.

[Sequoia]

That's Madison Beer song.

[Ryan Grant]

I don't speak Madison beer boy. Okay, sure. Right.

[Sequoia]

Anyways, it was the twins birthday. In the movie.

[Ryan Grant]

It was.

[Sequoia]

What is their zodiac sign?

[Ryan Grant]

Discovering that it's Halloween. That means it's the 31st.

[Sequoia]

Yeah.

[Ryan Grant]

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. It's not. No. Virgo is the September. October's Libra, but it's the end of October. They're Scorpios. Big water signs.

[Sequoia]

And it doesn't give. What.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah. What is it? What is a Scorpio's energy? What does that mean? Moody scorpion.

[Sequoia]

Yeah, it's like they're supposed to be like, mysterious, dark, moody, and I'm like, Tamara's character couldn't be mysterious, dark, moody if her life depended on it.

[Ryan Grant]

She's the most bubbly.

[Sequoia]

She is bubbly. Yeah.

[Ryan Grant]

Literally bubblegum pink. She's like Glinda. She is.

[Sequoia]

She is Galindo, for sure.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sequoia]

Kristen Wilson. Who's that twin's mother? Oh, I'm just looking at the cast.

[Ryan Grant]

Oh. And, you know. Okay. Speaking of their mom, the instant when I rewatched it, I was like, there. I don't know how old the mother is in real life. Yeah. I was like, this is their sister.

[Sequoia]

She looks too close to their age.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah.

[Sequoia]

First of all, she looks too close to the age. She looks too biracial in order to have a white dad. Have a white dad. But for those kids to look as black as they did.

[Ryan Grant]

Correct.

[Sequoia]

I'm like, for Tn Tamara to come out looking half black, half white, and this woman also looks barely black, and then the dad is white. It wouldn't. It wouldn't have added like that.

[Ryan Grant]

I was like, Disney really is not expecting black people to pay attention. And I'm like, there. That don't mix this duck.

[Sequoia]

It doesn't. It reminds me. The race blind casting of Cinderella. That was camp. So it made. And it was.

[Ryan Grant]

I was like, yes.

[Sequoia]

It was fun.

[Ryan Grant]

In this world, an Asian man and Whoopi Goldberg do make Brandy.

[Sequoia]

Exactly. Exactly. Oh, wait, what else would they make?

[Ryan Grant]

That was not their mom.

[Sequoia]

It wasn't Asian. The Asian man was the. Was Brandy's love interest.

[Ryan Grant]

She had a white. He had a white dad and Whoopi Goldberg. Exactly.

[Sequoia]

And that was his parents. And that does. Exactly. A black and a white doom.

[Ryan Grant]

Yes.

[Sequoia]

Yes. Okay, some facts. Production for the film begin in June 2005, and it shot entirely in Toronto or Ontario, which I noticed because they say a boot and you know, they're like, about.

[Ryan Grant]

No.

[Sequoia]

Oh, what's this about?

[Ryan Grant]

You know what else is crazy? Toby from Degrassi is in it.

[Sequoia]

Toby from Degrassi.

[Ryan Grant]

He is like, has a cameo. He's like a. A boy.

[Sequoia]

Jt.

[Ryan Grant]

It's Toby. JT Was the one. Yeah. I remember JT because his name is Ryan in real life, so I knew who JT Was. Toby is Toby.

[Sequoia]

Yes.

[Ryan Grant]

And he's like, just like a background character.

[Sequoia]

Wow. Yeah, I do remember that too.

[Ryan Grant]

You know what else is weird? I didn't know it was in On Toronto, but the house that Alex, who's a rich one.

[Sequoia]

Cam. Cam Cameron.

[Ryan Grant]

Regina George's house. It is the same house because when I was watching it, I was like, that is that house. And then I googled it, and I'm like, it is the same. Wow.

[Sequoia]

You can recognize. Yeah. Oh, and I'm mean, girls down. That is my favorite movie.

[Ryan Grant]

When was the last time you watched Twitches?

[Sequoia]

Two weeks ago.

[Ryan Grant]

You didn't notice. As soon as I pulled up, I'm like, this is Regina George's house. I was like, I fully recognize this house.

[Sequoia]

That's insane. Crazy.

[Ryan Grant]

Same house.

[Sequoia]

Wow. So that was also shot in Ontario.

[Ryan Grant]

I did not realize. I mean, I guess it was Chicago, but, like, that makes Ontario is cheaper.

[Sequoia]

It says special effects were used in conjunction with green screen to help simulate the magic tricks shown throughout the movie. The transition between Earth and Coventry. The moon and the sun put on the same horizon. And with the aid of a wind machine, the visualization of the darkness presence. Let's talk about the fricking darkness.

[Ryan Grant]

Right?

[Sequoia]

Because the darkness scared the hell out of me as a child. I was genuinely like, this is a horror film. It's edging a little bit too much toward horror. I don't like it.

[Ryan Grant]

Did you see what the darkness looked like? It looks bad. It is so.

[Sequoia]

It looks bad.

[Ryan Grant]

No, scary. It looks big.

[Sequoia]

Bad and scary.

[Ryan Grant]

You're silly. Hey, what did you think it was gonna do?

[Travis McIlroy]

What did you think?

[Sequoia]

I don't know.

[Ryan Grant]

Maybe you should have let that.

[Sequoia]

You know, I was 11. You were old at the time. Just a few years. All right.

[Ryan Grant]

So the darkness scared you. Interesting. All these white people running around chasing the darkness and come. They were chasing the darkness, but that's what I'm saying. They were chasing the darkness out of Coventry. They trying to get rid. They try to get rid of the mother and the two daughters. Think about it. The only black people we saw.

[Sequoia]

That's true, but. But at the end, they find out that the opposite of darkness is not lightness.

[Ryan Grant]

It's love.

[Sequoia]

It's love.

[Ryan Grant]

Wow. Deep. That did that.

[Sequoia]

I don't know if that's any better.

[Ryan Grant]

The opposite of black people is love.

[Sequoia]

Anyway, moving on. On its premiere night.

[Ryan Grant]

Did it really scare you? Sorry, I'm let that slide. What did you think? It didn't look that scary to me. What?

[Sequoia]

Because you were 15?

[Ryan Grant]

Ryan, I don't. You're not five years older than you. Calm down.

[Sequoia]

Because you were 13 in 2005.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah, I was 12.

[Sequoia]

You probably were.

[Ryan Grant]

I was. I was 13.

[Sequoia]

Well, if I was 10, then you had to be 13.

[Ryan Grant]

I was 13. I was.

[Sequoia]

And if I was 11, you was 14.

[Ryan Grant]

So I don't like the way you're Saying it.

[Sequoia]

And it was after our birthday, so. Yeah, you were 14. Actually. This came out old ass.

[Ryan Grant]

All right. All right now. All right.

[Sequoia]

It's not too much.

[Ryan Grant]

You right behind me.

[Sequoia]

A few years on his premiere night, Twitch has scored over 7 million viewers. The best DCOM ratings at that time.

[Ryan Grant]

Crazy.

[Sequoia]

The movie drew in 21.5 million viewers and four airings on its first weekend and was the week's most popular cable program, period.

[Ryan Grant]

That's insane to me.

[Sequoia]

Isn't that insane?

[Ryan Grant]

I like the. Like a show now.

[Sequoia]

Yeah.

[Ryan Grant]

No, like most shows don't crack a million at all. So, like it is crazy to pull insane.

[Sequoia]

7 million viewer. Disney Channel had a choke hold on children.

[Ryan Grant]

Well, and to be fair, that was like when they were. DCOM was in the era of like every month putting out a new movie. And so I think we were programmed to be like, oh, it's the new decom. And then also you add TN Tamara on top of that. They know DCOM was on top of it. No other network.

[Sequoia]

Why did Nickelodeon not have a competing I don't think they could afford it series?

[Ryan Grant]

Disney literally had the mouse behind it.

[Sequoia]

You can't afford it because you're not doing it.

[Ryan Grant]

You know what I mean?

[Sequoia]

And that too, because you're putting all your money in Dan Sniper.

[Ryan Grant]

And that was the real problem. Sick Man. And I don't think Dan Schneider had the talent to make these movies.

[Sequoia]

But I'm saying they could have got somebody in. You know, I call Kenny Ortega.

[Ryan Grant]

Kenny Ortega was booked by the mouse. You think the mouse didn't have Ironclad?

[Sequoia]

She did.

[Ryan Grant]

Whitney Houston could have been free.

[Sequoia]

She.

[Ryan Grant]

She would have.

[Sequoia]

You know what I mean?

[Ryan Grant]

That's fair. What was Nick Canon doing? He couldn't have done it.

[Sequoia]

And where was Nicholas Cannon or.

[Ryan Grant]

Or Keenan and Orel and Orel. You know what it was actually Nickelodeon put movies in theaters. That was the difference.

[Sequoia]

I know. And that was wrong. That was a bad move.

[Ryan Grant]

I disagree because I think that the quality of the Disney, the. The quality of the Nickelodeon movies in general across all decoms versus the movies that Nickelodeon made were better. Good Burger is better than most decoms. Harriet the Spy is better than most dcoms. I would argue that Rugrats, both of them are better than most DCOMs.

[Sequoia]

No, they definitely are. I haven't seen Harriet the Spy. Very good. I think. I think.

[Ryan Grant]

I think.

[Sequoia]

Yes, question mark.

[Ryan Grant]

Interesting.

[Sequoia]

Yes, question mark. For sure.

[Ryan Grant]

I think most DCOMs are pretty TV movie and not.

[Sequoia]

No, they are. They are. Yeah.

[Ryan Grant]

So then what's your question? Mark.

[Sequoia]

It just had wider range. And so I would say it had more hits because it had. It took more.

[Ryan Grant]

Sure.

[Sequoia]

It took more shots.

[Ryan Grant]

Sure.

[Sequoia]

So it had more hits.

[Ryan Grant]

Dcoms.

[Sequoia]

Yes. There was nothing that came out that was as big as High School Musical. Nothing that came out.

[Ryan Grant]

I'll give you that.

[Sequoia]

Disney. I mean, that was as big as high school.

[Ryan Grant]

I guess my argument, though, is I think High School Musical came later, late.

[Sequoia]

For decoms, because of the success of Cheetah Girls.

[Ryan Grant]

All right.

[Sequoia]

And even I don't even think there was anything as big.

[Ryan Grant]

I would argue that. Like, if we're including animation, I would argue Rugrats and. Or Good Burger Fall is the Cheetah Girls Island.

[Sequoia]

Rugrats certainly good burgers. But even barely, too.

[Ryan Grant]

I will get barely.

[Sequoia]

I'm going to give you Rugrats because I had hit songs that came with it.

[Ryan Grant]

Sure.

[Sequoia]

Or like, one hit song that came there. Take you there. And then the two girls went on tour.

[Ryan Grant]

But maybe that's because they had music attached to it.

[Sequoia]

They did. That's what I'm saying.

[Ryan Grant]

Sure, sure.

[Sequoia]

I'm saying, you know, like, yeah, Nickelodeon didn't have a competitor, especially about the seasonality. Like, Disney Channel made Halloween movies, repeated Halloween time every. There was 1, 2, 3, and 4. And I like 4. And Halloween Town at the Megaplex was great. Halloween Town Twitches. Twitches, too.

[Ryan Grant]

What? Crazy. Yeah. No, that's fair.

[Sequoia]

No, it had so much stuff. And then the Christmas. It had the ultimate Christmas present, you know, so it had a bunch of stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Go figure. Which was ice skating. So, like, not.

[Ryan Grant]

I don't remember that one. But, like, you can take that off the list.

[Sequoia]

Yeah, okay. And yeah, Nickelodeon just, like, I feel like it was a very untapped market. Anyways, we're getting on.

[Ryan Grant]

We're off topic. But you know what? The thing about Twitches, though, is that not only of decoms, it is superior. It is like, re. Watching it, I was like, oh, this is like a good movie. Like, it holds up in a way that I did not expect it.

[Sequoia]

It does solidly hold up. I will say I didn't watch it like, oh, this is a good film. But I definitely watched it. Like, it's the green screen that was bad. Like, the green screen kept catching me.

[Ryan Grant]

Like, I'm like, when they were.

[Sequoia]

It was like, distinctly.

[Ryan Grant]

It was distinctly like, not Harry Potter, the Castle. I was like, it's clear that you, like, saw Harry Potter and said that. But budget.

[Sequoia]

We can do that.

[Maria]

Right?

[Ryan Grant]

But to be Fair, made for TV and 2005. So I allow a level of grace. You mean at the time you thought the green screen was bad?

[Sequoia]

No, at the time, I didn't at all. Rewatching as an adult, I'm like. But at the time, I did not. I didn't even think there was a green. I thought there were at Coventry girl. Which is a place in Canada.

[Ryan Grant]

You're being funny. There's no. You didn't think. I'm not going to argue with you about that. You did not think that. But okay. I love this country.

[Sequoia]

Is a place.

[Ryan Grant]

Coventry is not real.

[Sequoia]

Stop saying it. There's a place called Coventry.

[Ryan Grant]

Pull it up. Pull it up. On a map you were making is.

[Sequoia]

A place called Coventry. Yes, there is.

[Ryan Grant]

The whole thing is that it's.

[Sequoia]

There's a place called Coventry.

[Ryan Grant]

I.

[Sequoia]

Okay, it is in. Where Coventry can refer to a cathedral city and metropolitan borough in England can refer. Or a town in Rhode island, but most commonly refers to the city in England.

[Ryan Grant]

Do you have any other questions? What did you say? You said?

[Sequoia]

I said it's a city.

[Ryan Grant]

You said where?

[Sequoia]

I said it was. I said it was a city.

[Ryan Grant]

What I'm saying is what you said is not true.

[Sequoia]

Okay. Did I lie?

[Ryan Grant]

Did I lie?

[Sequoia]

Thank you very much. Anyway, so yeah, it was really popular. Viewers often compare Twitches to Halloween Town as they are both the most popular popular Halloween DCOMs despite their seven year time gap.

[Ryan Grant]

What?

[Sequoia]

And people argue, do the two franchises represent different eras of Disney? People are saying Twitches belongs to Gen Z audiences in Halloween Town belongs to Millennials. And I'll do you one better. Twitches belongs to at large.

[Ryan Grant]

Amen.

[Sequoia]

Period. And Halloween Town belongs to me. I don't really give a. Who else is here.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah, no, I don't think that's a fair assessment.

[Sequoia]

It's not at all. That doesn't make any sense.

[Ryan Grant]

Gen Z doesn't own anything. They're lucky to have anything that Millennials have left. You're lucky to have that.

[Sequoia]

Love you guys though. If you're listening.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah, sorry. If you are listening.

[Sequoia]

We made that.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah, we made that. We did that. We did that. So lucky is Jiny. I feel like Twitches doesn't feel younger than. Also Halloween Town kept going.

[Sequoia]

The newest Halloween Town came out in like 2009.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah. I was in high school when the last 100.

[Sequoia]

So I'm like, yeah. And I do watch it every year.

[Ryan Grant]

In fact, I'm late the fourth one.

[Sequoia]

Oh, my God. I haven't watched Halloween Town.

[Ryan Grant]

I watched the first one. I don't watch the fourth one every year. Oh, you know the music that took me back.

[Sequoia]

I don't know the rest of it anyways.

[Ryan Grant]

I love that. But yeah, no, I, I, I don't think that they are comparable.

[Sequoia]

I don't think so either. Similar. Yeah.

[Ryan Grant]

I think they're very different movies.

[Sequoia]

Yeah.

[Ryan Grant]

Like, I think they have different goals, different aims.

[Sequoia]

Yeah.

[Ryan Grant]

To me. So much so. To me.

[Sequoia]

Yeah.

[Ryan Grant]

Until re watching it.

[Sequoia]

You said that it wasn't even Halloween. You said Twitches wasn't even a Halloween movie. Whereas Halloween Town is Halloween Town.

[Ryan Grant]

So I hear your argument.

[Sequoia]

Yeah.

[Ryan Grant]

Which is being a Halloween movie in the sense that it is Witches in the fall.

[Sequoia]

Do have to say the word Halloween. Halloween for you.

[Ryan Grant]

I need to see a costume. I need to see a pumpkin. I don't think I saw one.

[Sequoia]

People were in costume in the background of Twitches. If you looked.

[Ryan Grant]

I'm not paying attention to the goddamn background actors. What I'm saying is Halloween was literally Halloween Town.

[Sequoia]

Literally. Also, Cam and Alex's birthday is a Halloween party, and it's a costume party. She has on a masquerade mask.

[Ryan Grant]

She's sure. Okay.

[Sequoia]

And one. And that's the scene where they switch Tia and Tamara's characters because Tamara was sick for the day. It was like her episode. So in one of the scenes, Tamara is, like, out sick or she has to, like, go do something or whatever. And it's the scene where she has on the masquerade mask for her Halloween party, and they have Tia in that mask acting as Tamara. And I'm looking at it. I'm like, so are we gonna talk about why Alex is suddenly in Cameron's dress?

[Ryan Grant]

That is.

[Sequoia]

I remember being like, I'm not sure what's happening.

[Ryan Grant]

You noticed it immediately.

[Sequoia]

I, I very much was like, I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to take away from this, but, like, this is weird.

[Ryan Grant]

This is insane to me. No, I would have, I didn't notice as a kid. I know.

[Sequoia]

And like, it was really short and they didn't have her speak much. Like, it was like, very much her just kind of like, shuffling around and like, whatever. But, like, the camera was dead on her. Like, it was like a very clear moment. Yeah. Like, this was supposed to be Cameron. I was like, why is Tia here? Why would there be a Tia here?

[Ryan Grant]

Why would you be there? Why would they not just refilm it?

[Sequoia]

I agree. Speaking of time.

[Ryan Grant]

I mean, it's speaking of time and budget. Their day was so long. So watching this movie, I'm like, What they got, they woke up, had breakfast, went to the mall, hung out afterwards, went to the world, the country, multiple times.

[Sequoia]

Right.

[Ryan Grant]

All this. They got into a big ass change outfit. Not once they did so much in.

[Sequoia]

This one was $3. I know them clothes stank. I know them close thing I know they was dry cleaning the hell out of them.

[Ryan Grant]

100. Yeah.

[Sequoia]

Like steaming every day coming hitting the armpits with some Febreze.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah, it was. They had. I'm like the amount of things that they squeeze into this one day and I know production had to take a couple weeks, so. Or maybe maybe a week. Week. But I'm just saying that's insane.

[Sequoia]

Filming a movie in a week is insane.

[Ryan Grant]

I agree. It was crazy. But I was like, what if. Jam packed day.

[Sequoia]

It was very jam packed.

[Ryan Grant]

And why do they have these two ever played a movie where they knew each other? Why do they keep running 17 again. Do they know each other in that? Don't remember.

[Sequoia]

In 17 again, Tia Tamara plays the grandma who goes back who ages back to being 17.

[Ryan Grant]

So one is today time. One is reversed. So they do know each other.

[Sequoia]

So she's.

[Ryan Grant]

But they don't because she's.

[Sequoia]

She doesn't let her know that's her grandma cat.

[Ryan Grant]

But she does she know when grandma goes back in time that it's her?

[Sequoia]

It's not back in time.

[Ryan Grant]

I know when she ages down.

[Sequoia]

Yeah. So they're both in the same. They both exist in the same timeline.

[Ryan Grant]

I know that. But I'm asking when she meets 17 year old grandma, she's like, I know my grandma has aged back. Is my question. Or is grandma pretend. I don't remember the movie. Is grandma pretending to be someone else?

[Sequoia]

No, she. She knows it's her grandma pretty much immediately because she can hear her grandma outside of the bathroom stall saying child, please. Like saying like grand grandma type stuff.

[Ryan Grant]

Got it. Got.

[Sequoia]

And she says grandma.

[Ryan Grant]

I also love that. Child pleases.

[Sequoia]

It was something like that. Honey, ice sheet please. Child, please. It was something like that.

[Ryan Grant]

Oh, she's actually saying those.

[Sequoia]

She is. No, something like that. Yeah. Because there was like a kid that she was at school for the first time at 17 and a girl was about to bully her because she was telling her she looked like the devil himself with all them piercings on her in her face. And the girl like pulls back to punch her in the face like this.

[Ryan Grant]

Child, please. Anyways, saying child, please, sugar, honey, ice, child please is silly. That's not a real phrase.

[Sequoia]

Something like that.

[Ryan Grant]

Sure. Okay.

[Sequoia]

Anyway.

[Ryan Grant]

Okay, great.

[Sequoia]

So yeah, don't be knowing each other in the media for real, but in.

[Ryan Grant]

Real life either anymore, apparently. Unfort sad.

[Travis McIlroy]

Hi, I'm Travis McIlroy. I'm here with Maria and we're excited because as a member of the month. Maria, thank you so much for being a listener and a supporter of the show.

[Sequoia]

Hi.

[Travis McIlroy]

How did you find out about the shows?

[Maria]

When my daughter was in high school, we kind of connected over 10. She introduced me to schmanners and sawbones.

[Travis McIlroy]

What made you decide to become a Max Fund member?

[Maria]

I kind of decided that with the economy being so difficult, it was worth me giving up my Starbucks to join in with you guys.

[Travis McIlroy]

Well, Maria, I owe you a cup of coffee. Then at some point I'll get a cup of coffee into your hands to pay you back.

[Sequoia]

Ok?

[Travis McIlroy]

Maria, again, thank you so much for your support.

[Maria]

Thank you very, very much for your time and getting a chance to be the member of the month. My daughter was shocked when she found out about it, so I can't wait for her to actually maybe catch a little bit of this. I can rub it in her face a little bit.

[Travis McIlroy]

That's what we do it for. Thank you and thanks to everybody for your support. Maria, have a great month.

[Maria]

You have an amazing month as well.

[Sequoia]

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[Ryan Grant]

I'm also Canadian though, so.

[Sequoia]

Sorry, what?

[Ryan Grant]

I didn't watch the show. I don't know what that is.

[Sequoia]

You know, you didn't watch Life with Derek at all. Have you heard about, like, the Lore?

[Ryan Grant]

It sounds loosely familiar. The show's not, but the lore pretty.

[Sequoia]

Much a girl and her little sister and her single mother. Her single mom gets married to a man. Right? And the man has two or three kids.

[Ryan Grant]

Oh. She wants to her brother.

[Sequoia]

And they combine. And the brother is around her age. They go to the same school. I think they're in the same grade. And there's very much sexual tension.

[Ryan Grant]

Intentionally. Like the writers are writing in.

[Sequoia]

Sexual tension is my question at some points. Yes. Ew. I think in the final episode she says, like, I guess you're okay for a brother. And he goes, step brother.

[Ryan Grant]

Oh.

[Sequoia]

And it's like, huh? Like, what do you mean?

[Ryan Grant]

Is that weird? I don't think it's weird to date your.

[Sequoia]

You don't think it's weird to date your.

[Ryan Grant]

If we meet as. So here. If we. We didn't grow up. We didn't grow up together.

[Sequoia]

Right.

[Ryan Grant]

So you. Your face is telling me that you think it's weird.

[Sequoia]

Okay, so. No, I used to. I also used to think it wasn't weird. And then for some reason one day I was on.

[Ryan Grant]

You. I don't know.

[Travis McIlroy]

Sure.

[Sequoia]

Okay. And the home page fed me some step brother, step, step sibling thing and it smacked me. This is disgusting. I don't know why suddenly. My God, this is nasty.

[Ryan Grant]

I understand what you're saying and I.

[Sequoia]

Understand what you're saying because I always so used to be there. And then one day it just clicked. I don't know why it just clicked.

[Ryan Grant]

I think it depends on when we met and how long we've known each other.

[Sequoia]

I get that. I get. I get the rationalization. I do.

[Ryan Grant]

Rationalization makes it sound like you still disagree.

[Sequoia]

I do disagree. Now that it. Once you see it, you can't see it. But I do understand. I do understand how you arrive there. I certainly do.

[Ryan Grant]

Irrelevant because there's. These twins were adopted and it did seem. Yeah, I guess I don't know if it's the first positive representation.

[Sequoia]

Yeah. No, because Sister. Sister was also an adoptive mixed family representation. And I guess it was syndicated to Disney Channel. But it was Disney. It was. No, it was wb.

[Ryan Grant]

Right. Yeah. Yeah.

[Sequoia]

I don't think that's the first time we saw anything like that.

[Ryan Grant]

Cool. Yeah. And also I, I. In a lot of ways, I feel like it was. It's referenced here. No, they directly talk about it, but I feel like in some ways it feels like it's a B storyline. Them being adopted feels like such a background thing for some reason. I don't know why it doesn't feel like it's the forefront of this story.

[Sequoia]

No, it's not the forefront. Yeah, no, it's not the forefront.

[Ryan Grant]

The only thing is her mom Dying that. God, I feel like Alex's background way harder.

[Sequoia]

I know.

[Ryan Grant]

I. And I feel like Cam should have had some grace. Kim had no level of like, feeling for her at all. Whoa. Her mom died three months ago.

[Sequoia]

It reminds me of that scene in the Princess Diaries when Mia Thermopolis and her friend.

[Ryan Grant]

Sure.

[Sequoia]

I can't remember. Her horrible friend's name is.

[Ryan Grant]

Oh, yeah.

[Sequoia]

But her friend is like, hey, I thought you were getting over that. That happened two months ago. Right after she said, you know, my dad just. My dad died. And she's like, hey, I thought you were getting over that. That happened two months ago. What? She says, but that was what, two months ago.

[Ryan Grant]

My dad.

[Sequoia]

I said, my dad just died. And she's like, it's not like you knew the man. He just bought your birthday gifts on you on your birthday. I said, okay, weirdo.

[Ryan Grant]

I. You know what? Unpopular opinion. I don't think I would say the same thing. I understand being 16 and thinking that.

[Sequoia]

100.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah, I get it. We didn't know him. Yeah, I forgot. She didn't know her dad.

[Sequoia]

Here's what we need to talk about. About Twitches. The twins mom. She's the queen of Coventry. Huh? Her name is Miranda.

[Ryan Grant]

Of course.

[Sequoia]

So Miranda and the twins dad were a couple. The twins dad dies at war. The darkness takes him because the Darkness is trying to take over the land, protecting them. Yeah.

[Ryan Grant]

Okay. At war.

[Sequoia]

He dies at war with the Darkness, and she then starts his brother.

[Ryan Grant]

Okay. Is that how you read it?

[Sequoia]

That's what happened?

[Ryan Grant]

No, I.

[Sequoia]

That is. Yes, that's. Sorry.

[Ryan Grant]

You are correct. That is technically what happened. But the way it reads to me is she was forced into a relationship with this man because, like, think royalty. Like, it's like, oh, we need a king, and it needs to stay in the same lineage. You must date this man. I don't think she loved him. You think she, like, was in a relationship with him?

[Sequoia]

Yeah.

[Ryan Grant]

What gave relationship she didn't trust?

[Sequoia]

What gave? Forced royalty.

[Ryan Grant]

Being in a royal family. That makes sense. Have you.

[Sequoia]

You didn't Game of Thrones, Assuming that is how royal.

[Ryan Grant]

You didn't watch Game of Thrones, so.

[Sequoia]

It didn't sat in front of House of Dragon.

[Ryan Grant]

This is very common for people to like. You were just now with this man.

[Sequoia]

You think Disney had. Was having forced relationships? You think Disney Channel was having forced relationships?

[Ryan Grant]

I think they didn't. They wouldn't say it explicitly because that would be.

[Sequoia]

So you think Disney had implicit situations going on?

[Ryan Grant]

Do you think that Disney was like, yeah, I'm going to your brother at the moment. You think that was what Disney wanted? I think both situations are up because.

[Sequoia]

One of them happened, another one.

[Ryan Grant]

Historical history.

[Sequoia]

One happened, another one made up.

[Ryan Grant]

Read a book.

[Sequoia]

I read books. Non fiction. Self help. Get some.

[Ryan Grant]

Maybe you need some help.

[Sequoia]

Maybe you should try it. Don't even act like you know about self help because you don't.

[Ryan Grant]

I don't think you're right. I think she, she clearly hated that man though. The entire movie.

[Sequoia]

She.

[Ryan Grant]

No, there was no passion.

[Sequoia]

I thought it was just badass acting.

[Ryan Grant]

Oh.

[Sequoia]

I thought that she was just a bad actress.

[Ryan Grant]

I, I, I. Okay.

[Sequoia]

You know what else about her? She was a daml. And I didn't like, you know, I don't like a damn character.

[Ryan Grant]

So also for her to like be. She literally had magic and was so weak.

[Sequoia]

Yeah.

[Ryan Grant]

Why would she let this man run?

[Sequoia]

You weak and like.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah, your daughters. She kept being like, oh, my daughters are out there. I know they're out there.

[Sequoia]

And I'm like, look, I'm like, nut up. Come on, let's go. What's up?

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah, like, what are you doing?

[Sequoia]

What's the problem?

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah, also it's. If you were the queen, this man can't take charge. You are the queen.

[Sequoia]

And he killed his own brother.

[Ryan Grant]

She didn't know that.

[Sequoia]

Well, now we know.

[Ryan Grant]

And now we know. And they, they got rid of it. Well, I guess she didn't know. Actually, the girls didn't.

[Sequoia]

She didn't do nothing. Right.

[Ryan Grant]

She didn't know immediately her powers ran out. As soon as the.

[Sequoia]

As soon as, as soon as it's important that you have power.

[Ryan Grant]

Gone. Now they're gone.

[Travis McIlroy]

Yeah.

[Ryan Grant]

Actually, now thinking about it, I am annoyed with her, like girl.

[Sequoia]

I did not, I didn't with her at all. Okay.

[Ryan Grant]

Also too close in age. Again. I think we said it.

[Sequoia]

The actors were too close in age.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah. I'm like, this is T and Tamara's sister. What?

[Sequoia]

I did like Karsh and Ilana's relationship. I thought they were really cute.

[Ryan Grant]

I like them. Yes, I do. They're funny. They're cute. Also they're like him being like, yeah, we're on again, off again for the last 21 years.

[Sequoia]

Very silly.

[Ryan Grant]

My only thing is also too close in age. Maybe people don't age. Maybe in Coventry. No, not them. Them to the twins. There's no way they're.

[Sequoia]

You thought they were too close in age to the twins?

[Ryan Grant]

Yes. Oh, Caron looks like he is Karsten. What is his name?

[Sequoia]

Car.

[Ryan Grant]

What did I Say Carsten Kardashian, whatever.

[Sequoia]

He.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah, he looked like he was the same age as him to me. He just had on dark eyeliners.

[Sequoia]

Maybe that eyeliner was killing.

[Ryan Grant]

It was so killing me. I feel like some of the things that he would like. It was just very male female relationships in 20 2005.

[Sequoia]

It was.

[Ryan Grant]

Woman, you're giving me a headache. It was so.

[Sequoia]

It was.

[Ryan Grant]

It was.

[Sequoia]

And she was eating him up a little bit. I don't remember what joke she had, but she was. She was eating him up.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah. They were fun. They were very cute. It's very Cosmo and Wanda.

[Sequoia]

It was so solely based on Cosm.

[Ryan Grant]

100 what it was. But, yeah, it was fun.

[Sequoia]

I love them. Yeah.

[Ryan Grant]

Guardian angels, which. I would want guardian angels to come protect me.

[Sequoia]

I have them.

[Ryan Grant]

Do. Do you. You like. You talk to them?

[Sequoia]

No.

[Ryan Grant]

How do you know?

[Sequoia]

I just know. Okay.

[Ryan Grant]

You're not gonna elaborate. You're just like.

[Sequoia]

I just. I don't. I don't feel like what. What is understood doesn't need to be spoken.

[Ryan Grant]

I don't understand.

[Sequoia]

That's okay. It does not for you to understand. Oh. Oh, so. Oh, what now?

[Ryan Grant]

So what now? Yeah, no, they. They did have a really cute relationship. I'm trying to think. Did any other thing. There were no love interests.

[Sequoia]

Whoa. I'm realizing that this passes the Bechtel test. Just bad.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah. They're like.

[Sequoia]

They never talk about a.

[Ryan Grant]

Everybody is a girl. Everybody except for cars.

[Sequoia]

And that's why I loved it.

[Ryan Grant]

Wow. I loved it. I'm just realizing, like, all of. Because all of Alex's family.

[Sequoia]

Yes.

[Ryan Grant]

It was like her adopted by another young woman. She had a young woman best friend and a little girl who lived in the house.

[Sequoia]

Yep.

[Ryan Grant]

Kim had a dad.

[Sequoia]

Yeah. So he was. He was a background character.

[Ryan Grant]

Also, it was funny. There was a scene where Cam is, like, being sad. He's like, oh, is it. Is it boy problems? And the mom's like, probably not. And he's like, all right, I'll go talk to her. And then the mom just goes and walks by. I'm like, also, Kim's friend bad, because she was like. Her friend was just vapid or whatever. And she was literally like, oh, yeah, I won't tell anybody. And then another girl immediately walks up and goes, how about your twin? But I guess that's just, like, very rich girl coded. That. That was the thing. Cam was. Sorry. This adhd, my brain. Cam also gave up way too easy.

[Sequoia]

Cam gave up way too easy.

[Ryan Grant]

When they, like, they got into A little bit of a scuffle. The darkness came one time, and Cam was ready to get the.

[Sequoia]

Okay, but did you see the darkness? I would be ready to get the as well.

[Ryan Grant]

She was like, I want to go.

[Sequoia]

Back to my life. I have a. You know what I mean? I have a Porsche, and you know what I mean?

[Ryan Grant]

I know. You're sleeping on the couch.

[Sequoia]

Like, I can't do this with you right now. I'm so sorry, baby.

[Ryan Grant]

Yikes. That way. It was fun when we were, like, too dark.

[Sequoia]

It's really too heavy. Like, there's a dark cloud that follows you around when I'm by myself. I don't have. Hey. Well, more. Suddenly, I'm with you.

[Ryan Grant]

I rise, the sun rises. The sun is up, and I am awake.

[Sequoia]

Hello.

[Ryan Grant]

My parents greet me.

[Sequoia]

You are the darkness.

[Ryan Grant]

Right. Like, my God. I play tennis with my dad daily, every day. I understand that you need a job. I don't.

[Sequoia]

We pickleball down.

[Ryan Grant]

So good luck.

[Sequoia]

Good. Good luck, babe. Very much.

[Ryan Grant]

Very that.

[Sequoia]

Okay, one's gotta go.

[Ryan Grant]

Okay.

[Sequoia]

Best Disney witches. There's a lot of choices here, and.

[Ryan Grant]

Just one has to go.

[Travis McIlroy]

Great.

[Ryan Grant]

The more choices, the better.

[Sequoia]

Let's make it. You can only keep one.

[Ryan Grant]

Oh, okay.

[Sequoia]

You can only keep one.

[Ryan Grant]

Okay.

[Sequoia]

Okay. Oh, is this movies? No. Okay. Yes. You can only keep one. Twitches, Hocus Pocus.

[Ryan Grant]

Okay.

[Sequoia]

Oh, Halloween Town. Oh.

[Ryan Grant]

Oh. Pause. We're getting out of just E comms. We're doing Disney.

[Sequoia]

We're in Disney.

[Ryan Grant]

Oh, you ready? Okay.

[Sequoia]

Twitches.

[Ryan Grant]

Okay.

[Sequoia]

Hocus Pocus.

[Ryan Grant]

Okay.

[Sequoia]

Halloween Town. Wizards of Waverly Place. Maleficent, the evil queen from Snow White.

[Ryan Grant]

Okay.

[Sequoia]

Ursula. Oh, and Agatha Harkness from Agatha.

[Ryan Grant]

That's Catherine Han.

[Sequoia]

Oh, okay.

[Ryan Grant]

Catherine Heigl. She's doing my pet ads now. Like, she got blackballed. Probably not her fault. They said she was a. And I'm having quotations on set. I think she was just, like, a woman who stood up for herself. It was 2005.

[Sequoia]

Oh, yeah. I do kind of remember her.

[Ryan Grant]

No, Catherine, you can only keep one.

[Sequoia]

If you need to look at. You need to see a visual representation of the list.

[Ryan Grant]

Oh, okay. I can only keep one. You can only keep one. Hocus Pocus. Halloween Town. Wizards of Waverly Place. Maleficent, the evil queen from Sun White. Exo. This is rough. So Evil Queen Snow White. Out. Maleficent, out. I love Selena Gomez as a wizard. Out. Oh, God. Then we're getting the Halloween town. Ursula's crazy. I know.

[Sequoia]

That one's hard. Ursula's hard.

[Ryan Grant]

Yikes. I You know, okay. I'm. I'm. If I. This is hard. Only one.

[Sequoia]

You can only keep one. You can only keep one witch. One set of witches. Okay.

[Ryan Grant]

One witch or one witches. Okay. As a collective, there's a clear winner. Do you know who yours is? We can say I'm on three. I know.

[Sequoia]

I need to look at those together.

[Ryan Grant]

You want me to say it? You want me to. Wait.

[Sequoia]

You say yours if I have to.

[Ryan Grant]

Look at all those. And I'm saying I am taking the package.

[Sequoia]

Yes.

[Ryan Grant]

I think Ursa was hard to get rid of.

[Sequoia]

Yes. I get that.

[Ryan Grant]

She was my number one. But as a package. Hocus Pocus.

[Sequoia]

Those are funny.

[Ryan Grant]

So funny. So great. And I'm like I. Those are the ones I want to hang out with a bad. But I want to hang with me.

[Sequoia]

That's very fair. That's very fair. Okay. Now if I'm looking at this twitches out immediately.

[Ryan Grant]

You didn't even think about it?

[Sequoia]

No. Yeah. I mean like love the girls, but you know what I mean?

[Ryan Grant]

Like I'll see them with something else.

[Sequoia]

Yeah. I, I. I don't need to be them. Hocus Pocus. That's hard. I'll hold it. Halloween Town. I'll hold.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah.

[Sequoia]

Wizards out. Don't give a damn about that.

[Ryan Grant]

It's crazy to me that you didn't. Wizards of Webberly Place.

[Sequoia]

I did. I just didn't like it that much. I did watch it. I did.

[Ryan Grant]

I watched every episode.

[Sequoia]

You know what did not like it?

[Ryan Grant]

Is it? Cuz it came off of the heels of that's so Raven. Like they were the next generation and it was not as good.

[Sequoia]

Cuz I didn't like Hannah Montana either. Either.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah, none of that.

[Sequoia]

Not like that. I did like him on the channel, but not like that.

[Ryan Grant]

I think Raven was so good in a way that the next wave was fine.

[Sequoia]

You know what I mean? Even Liz McGuire I liked a lot better than any of those three newer ones. You know?

[Ryan Grant]

I fully agree.

[Sequoia]

I guess that really does make me a millennial. Not a millennial. Anyways. Wizards is out. Maleficent out.

[Ryan Grant]

I agree.

[Sequoia]

I don't even Snow White. So that's out.

[Ryan Grant]

That was what's her name? She was the soldier.

[Sequoia]

Ursula's out for me. Agatha all along is out for me as well. So that leaves Halloween Town and Hocus Pocus. This is hard.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah.

[Sequoia]

I'm gonna go with Halloween Town.

[Ryan Grant]

Whoa. For Debbie Reynolds. Why? Who?

[Sequoia]

Marty. It's a coming of age story. And I do like coming of age. Like that's my Preference. And we watch her go to college. Through college.

[Ryan Grant]

Wow, I forgot that. You really do watch her. Like she gets replaced by Sarah Paxton.

[Sequoia]

Sarah Paxton.

[Ryan Grant]

Kind of crazy.

[Sequoia]

And I like that one, too.

[Ryan Grant]

I did, too.

[Sequoia]

Yeah.

[Ryan Grant]

Kimberly Ann. What's her name?

[Sequoia]

Kimberly something.

[Ryan Grant]

Kimberly something.

[Sequoia]

Yeah. I like that. Okay, so there's our choices.

[Ryan Grant]

It's crazy. You're picking, like, the. The heroes, and I'm picking the villains.

[Sequoia]

That's fair. That makes sense for our dynamic.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah, that does.

[Sequoia]

That's fair. What does your shirt say?

[Ryan Grant]

Protect the gays.

[Sequoia]

Protect the gays.

[Ryan Grant]

Bro Tech.

[Sequoia]

I like it. I like it.

[Ryan Grant]

It's true.

[Sequoia]

If you can only pick one.

[Ryan Grant]

Okay, okay.

[Sequoia]

Twins.

[Ryan Grant]

Oh, okay.

[Sequoia]

The Maoris.

[Ryan Grant]

Okay.

[Sequoia]

The Olsen.

[Ryan Grant]

Okay.

[Sequoia]

Smoking Stack from Sinners.

[Ryan Grant]

Okay.

[Sequoia]

Hallie and Annie from the Parent Trap.

[Ryan Grant]

Oh, my God.

[Sequoia]

Sprouses.

[Ryan Grant]

Okay.

[Sequoia]

Fred and George Weasley from Harry Potter.

[Ryan Grant]

I was about to say you can.

[Sequoia]

Look at the list.

[Ryan Grant]

I can only keep one.

[Sequoia]

You can only keep one set of twins? And this is easy for me, actually. I don't have to think very hard. T and Tamara.

[Ryan Grant]

Oh, okay. I didn't think that's what you're supposed to be doing. I'm gonna have an Eiffel Tower with Smoking Stack. Why not? You know what?

[Sequoia]

I'm gonna have an Eiffel Tower. Smoking stuff.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah, why not?

[Sequoia]

Isn't that crazy?

[Ryan Grant]

Isn't it? Isn't it crazy?

[Sequoia]

It is. It is fun.

[Ryan Grant]

Sounds like a good time. No. Okay. That is a joke. I think I also don't have to look. I think the Olsen twins are by far the best set of twins on that list. That's crazy.

[Sequoia]

What do you mean by this? Oh, explain it. Whitest.

[Ryan Grant]

Sure. Well, if we're going there. Yeah. I think one has a certain pedigree.

[Sequoia]

Wow. Racist.

[Ryan Grant]

No. The Olsen twins have way more movies that.

[Sequoia]

Name one.

[Ryan Grant]

It takes two in a New York minute. Parent Trap.

[Sequoia]

Olsen Parent Trap is not the Olsen twins.

[Ryan Grant]

Sorry, I didn't mean parent traps. It Takes two is what I was thinking. They also at summer camp there. You did New York Minute was fun.

[Sequoia]

I've never seen anything with Ashley in it.

[Ryan Grant]

I loved their series as a kid. I watched their teen kid show and their little kid show and then all they're like, made for TV movies. Like with your grandmother's house, we go Double trouble. You didn't do any Olsen twins?

[Sequoia]

Nothing. I watched them on Full House and they're playing one character.

[Ryan Grant]

I didn't even see. Michelle Tanner never watch Full House, so I don't know.

[Sequoia]

You got it.

[Ryan Grant]

Yes. That's crazy.

[Sequoia]

I didn't know some tone at all.

[Ryan Grant]

I'm that think that makes me. That's my millennial.

[Sequoia]

And I was gonna say, I genuinely do feel like the Olsen tonight. Twins is. And the Spice Girls is a tell between millennials and zillennials. You know, I'm like. Yes. I did not Spice Girl. I did not twin. I did not NSync. I did not Backstreet Boys.

[Ryan Grant]

Sorry. You certainly instinct. You did not Backstreet.

[Sequoia]

I did not in sync or Backstreet Boys.

[Ryan Grant]

That it feels insane to me.

[Sequoia]

To both of them in older age.

[Ryan Grant]

It feels strange to me that you didn't NSync, but you did Britney Spears. Not insane because like obviously one was bigger than the other.

[Sequoia]

I did Britney, but Britney was my first. First CD ever. Brittany and Destiny Shadow got the CDs on the same day and they were Both my first CDs. Sure. Ever. I got Britney's self titled and I got Destiny's Childish. Probably after that. It was Survivor.

[Ryan Grant]

Okay.

[Sequoia]

That was my first. Yeah. So those are my first two cities.

[Ryan Grant]

Okay, fair enough. And I guess NSYNC was. I mean, they weren't really boycoded. Not really. Not at all.

[Sequoia]

They were really. Yeah. I just. It was just like adjustments. Just, just barely. I.

[Ryan Grant]

It was there.

[Sequoia]

I just wasn't in it.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah.

[Sequoia]

Alive yet.

[Ryan Grant]

You know what I mean? Yeah. I would assume that you didn't back even. I barely. Backstreet Boy.

[Sequoia]

Even to this day when I go back and listen, I'm like, one of these is clearly better than the other one.

[Ryan Grant]

I agree.

[Sequoia]

Anyways, okay, so we have our twins. I choose the blacks, you choose the whites. Rapid fire. Rapid fire. Name two to three other witches you'd have in your covenant. I want.

[Ryan Grant]

These are characters.

[Sequoia]

Is that her name from American Horror Story?

[Ryan Grant]

Angela Bassett.

[Sequoia]

Yes. I want Angela Bassett from American Horror Story real bad.

[Ryan Grant]

Okay. She was also going to be in mine, but you can have her. We're drafting. Okay, great.

[Sequoia]

Okay, go. I took my pick, you have hers.

[Ryan Grant]

I Erykah Badu.

[Sequoia]

Not you choosing an actual witch.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah.

[Sequoia]

Right now.

[Ryan Grant]

Are we not. Should we not?

[Sequoia]

That's fair. That's fair.

[Ryan Grant]

I want to know.

[Sequoia]

You take your. You take. Take your. Erica.

[Ryan Grant]

I feel like it'd be real. She'd have some real like deep rooted magic. Magic. You know what I mean? She'd have some real good stuff.

[Sequoia]

Hold on, let me. Let me look up. Let me see who other I could have.

[Ryan Grant]

Oh, okay.

[Sequoia]

Hm.

[Ryan Grant]

No, you can. No, we're drafting you.

[Sequoia]

I'm looking. Let Me look black. Let me look at some witches.

[Ryan Grant]

Black witch. It is Marie Lavo. I believe she's also a real person.

[Sequoia]

Bonnie Bennett from the Vampire Diaries.

[Ryan Grant]

Ooh, that's a good one. Okay, okay, let me like, let me look up. Oh, oh, oh. What is her name? Sabrina. The teenage witch. Yes. Is that. Yes. I want her.

[Travis McIlroy]

I want her on my team.

[Ryan Grant]

I want her on my team bad.

[Sequoia]

I'll take Elphaba. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Ryan Grant]

That's a really. You know what?

[Sequoia]

I'll take Linda and I'm about say you really want to do it and.

[Ryan Grant]

I would take Linda.

[Sequoia]

I want to go black Queen for black queen facts. You can't go strong. You know what I mean?

[Ryan Grant]

Like I feel that.

[Sequoia]

I feel that. I think I'm happy with my team. I think I'll stop there.

[Ryan Grant]

I am sad that you got Marie Lavo cuz that.

[Sequoia]

Oh my God, an icon.

[Ryan Grant]

You know what else I'm gonna throw in? God, what is her name in the show? I can't remember the lead. The, the, the old supreme. What is her name?

[Sequoia]

Oh, you're talking about the actress's name.

[Ryan Grant]

American Horror Story.

[Sequoia]

She's.

[Ryan Grant]

Oh, God. Coven. I, I. Jessica. Not Jessica Chastain. Feeling good. Jessica Lang.

[Sequoia]

I want Jessica Lang as well.

[Ryan Grant]

Also iconique.

[Sequoia]

You know Jessica Lang. She definitely. Yeah.

[Ryan Grant]

And you know what? Why not Emma Roberts too?

[Sequoia]

Have her throw her. You can have her.

[Ryan Grant]

Sure.

[Sequoia]

Yeah, sure. Sure, buddy. Sure. I love that for you, silly. That's really it.

[Ryan Grant]

I. Yeah, I think we did it. And honestly, it held up much more than I thought. It was a very fun watch. I watch fun watch.

[Sequoia]

I watched it with a group maybe like two weeks ago. Fun. It was a good time. Everybody was laughing, having a good time laughing at the green screen because the green screen. Yeah. We all knew the difference between T and Sarah.

[Ryan Grant]

You all can tell the difference between these two girls.

[Sequoia]

Yeah.

[Ryan Grant]

Is this anti black of me? I. Is it? No, I think it's anti black of you. You think they all look. Oh, I think they all look the same.

[Sequoia]

You do think they all look look the same? I think they look different.

[Ryan Grant]

So I'm so sorry anyways, I'm so.

[Sequoia]

Sorry, but yeah, I would have given anything to be a twin and a witch. So twitches was like I used to want a twin.

[Ryan Grant]

That's the Gemini in us, I'm assuming. I wanted a twin so bad.

[Sequoia]

If you're a Gemini. Did you want a twin? If you're true. If you're a Gemini, if you want. You know what? No matter what comment The Gemini emoji.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah.

[Sequoia]

I was going to say you're a Gemini. Comment. The Gemini emoji, but even if you're not, go comment. The Gemini emoji. I. Yeah, yeah. Just so I know that you made it this far in the episode that. Okay.

[Ryan Grant]

And also next to it, if you wanted a twin.

[Sequoia]

If you wanted a twin, let us know, because I did want a twin, and I am a witch, so I.

[Ryan Grant]

Still want a twin, and I wanted braces.

[Sequoia]

You never had braces? No. What?

[Ryan Grant]

No, I don't think my teeth are, like, crazy.

[Sequoia]

Whoa. My seats were really straight, and I still have braces because I know overbite. My teeth were, like, mostly always been this straight. No, no, that's crazy. No. I feel like everybody I know had braces. I feel like braces was a marketing ploy. It was also just like.

[Ryan Grant]

I agree.

[Sequoia]

Part of teen. Like, I did not need braces also.

[Ryan Grant]

Because there's always a kid on a show with braces.

[Sequoia]

Always. You just want it. Yeah. She's got her braces off, and she's devastated that she got her braces off. Oh, no. Like, if she loved her braces, it was, like, part of her identity. Wow. She was like. She, like, did not want to show me, but she looked like without braces.

[Ryan Grant]

I was like, I mean, it makes sense. You wear them for years. How long do you wear braces? So it is a party.

[Sequoia]

Years. Yeah. I had mine for two, I think.

[Ryan Grant]

Two years.

[Sequoia]

Wow.

[Ryan Grant]

Crazy, man.

[Sequoia]

When I poke out. Anyways.

[Ryan Grant]

Yeah, we twitched it out.

[Sequoia]

That's it. We twitched it. Witched and we witched and we blew the house down.

[Ryan Grant]

Boots. We should say a spell.

[Sequoia]

Okay. With the shoals, people are gonna turn this off. People. People. Black people are gonna be like. And what the did they start doing at the end of that episode?

[Ryan Grant]

You listened to a podcast and made it here. Success is. Is coming, and you shall have no fear. That was. Was that. That was actually really a really good spell.

[Sequoia]

Yeah. Speak Success over me.

[Travis McIlroy]

Yeah.

[Sequoia]

Yeah, that was that.

[Ryan Grant]

That was that.

[Sequoia]

Fearless Success. Yeah.

[Ryan Grant]

Fear and success as you're coming your way.

[Sequoia]

Fearless.

[Ryan Grant]

Because you made it.

[Sequoia]

The fearless. So.

[Ryan Grant]

Yes. Comment received.

[Sequoia]

Received. Amen. Yes, am. Amen. Last time Ryan did this, he called a demon into my home.

[Ryan Grant]

But now that we've watched twitches, we can cast a spell out, because you know what? What? We'll fight dark.

[Sequoia]

No. Is love. And that's that on that. If you want to follow us on social media, you can find us at BPL Pod across all social media platforms. You can Watch us on YouTube. You can comment on Spotify, too, if you have something to say to us there. You can comment on YouTube like I just said. And you can email. Yeah, you can comment on Spotify. You can email me at black people up here. More gmail.com. somebody is playing in my email right now. Oh, no. Stop. And that's it. All right.

[Ryan Grant]

So we'll see you next time.

[Sequoia]

Have a good one. Bye.

[Ryan Grant]

Bye.

[Sequoia]

It.