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Hi, I'm Emily.
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I'm Ashley.
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And this is Books with your besties.
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Hi, besties. We're back. We love being back with you. I love talking about books with all of you. Right, Em?
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Yes. Yay.
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Yay. And we're here to talk about Ask for Andrea by Noel Ily. If you haven't read it, go read it with your ears or your eyes and then come back. But we gave you so many warnings that you should have read it by now.
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B
It is, I thought, really an incredible book. And I've read quite a few of Noel Eiley's books and this was my favorite of hers.
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C
I also think this is my favorite Noel Eiley book, but I have only read, I read her most recent one that was kind of based off of the bus full of children that went missing.
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B
Yeah, these Quiet girls. Or those quiet Girls. Yeah.
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C
Yes. And those actually felt to me like they were written by two different authors. They were so, so incredibly different. So long story short, yes, this is my favorite book of hers was Run on Red. Also Noel Eiley.
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B
Yeah. Oh, did you like that one a lot?
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C
Not as much as Ask for Andrea.
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B
No, I liked it. But I liked Ask for Andrea much better.
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C
Yeah. You read Ask for Andrea first and told me I had to read it.
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Yes. I knew it would feel personal and sad for you since you are grieving the loss of your dad and this book. All the spoilers, everybody. You know that this book is really about life after death and it's a thriller. Yeah.
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It felt like a really fine line to walk between feeling very connected to these characters. And you and I talked a lot about this, but feeling like, well, yeah, this kind of feels like my understanding of what life quotes around that could look like after death, that you really are still connected to these people that you loved. But also these women are dead and we're learning about this story because of murder and that they have all been murdered by the same man. So it was a very up and down book emotionally for. For me, for sure.
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I mean, for me too. Not even it being personal, but just considering death and considering the afterlife and what that might be like and the sadness that comes with these tragedies. I mean, it's no secret. Anyone who's listening to Reconsidered Unsolved right now, our other podcast about the Rachel Hansen case knows there's just so much sadness and tragedy in loss after murder, after homicide, I mean, in any capacity. But this is what this book is about, right? It's about these. This serial killer man who is killing these young women and them finding each other in the afterlife and wanting to bring justice so that this didn't continue happening to more girls. And I really loved that premise.
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C
I did, too. And I. I really loved in the book also how the characters would watch people. Again, I'm putting quotes like, people can see me who were still in the physical world and kind of have these conversations with them, like, no, don't look there. No, do this. And I thought how helpless you would feel watching the people who are grieving you while they are also trying to solve your death.
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B
Right.
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C
That's nuts.
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B
That would be so sad.
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C
That would be so sad. So let's back up a little bit. Do you remember at retreat on the main stage with BA Paris, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it was during the main session with her, she actually talked about this. She talked about how that this is obviously based off of. In bars in the uk you can ask for someone if you are in need of help.
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Oh, yeah, well, so she wasn't talking about this book.
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C
Right.
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But she was talking about that exact concept. Right. So she was saying. And I did think about this book.
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Yeah.
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Actually when she said that. But yeah, she said, you know, what is the name? I know there's a name that you can ask for at bars and. And the crowd collectively was like, Andrea. And I was like, oh, that too. Such a powerful concept. Here's the thing. This book had a little of everything for me. It was a very dark thriller. I mean, this dude is terrifying. This serial killer and his methods and the way that he leads this totally normal seeming life. Yikes. And then two, and it just like had the high tension with, you know, the trying to escape from him, the family, and all of that kind of stuff. 2. It had the, like, emotional draw, but I didn't think it was gratuitous. I really thought it was just a take on afterlife. So it had the sadness that of that, like the what happens next? And also I thought that was really beautiful. And then it had the the women empowerment piece of these women helping each other and the woman at the bar like that, you could ask for Andrea, and they're gonna have your back. Right?
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It felt there was a lot of female empowerment in the book and just back a little bit to the afterlife piece. I. I kind of love the concept of that was talked about in this book. Like, they're kind of these people who help shepherd you. Do you like how I keep going back to the death part? Because that's my, like, personal lived experience right now, even though I'm three years out. But for me, it felt so comforting to think that maybe there are these spirits, whatever you want to call them, who kind of help shepherd you through the afterlife process. And it's not just this thrust into this second part of your life and that there is a life after death. Because I think, although I'm not someone who believes in, like, a heaven or a hell, I think people bring energy into the world, and when they pass away, they physically pass away, whether that's due to normal circumstances or in this book, something horribly tragic like murder, but that a piece of their energy just still remains here. So I thought it was beautiful that in the book, they. They kind of talked about that and how there are people that kind of shepherd you to figure out what your afterlife might look like. Okay. Something you didn't know that I did. But now I'm going to ask you a question, and I'm putting you on the spot. I asked our Instagram followers on our creepy book club and books with your besties and reconsidered pages to ask us some questions that they wanted to hear us talk about. And this one's for you. And I have it highlighted in red, and it says, the killer in the story relies heavily on charm and normalcy. Why do you think stories like this remind us that danger doesn't often look like what we expect expect?
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I know that's, like, teed up.
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C
I know. I have it highlighted. I was like. And they said to ask you that question.
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I was like, well, no, no, duh. This is so funny, because this is exactly what we were just talking about a few minutes ago in the context of reconsidered. And I highly mentioned if you're interested in this topic, to go over there too. But here, here's the thing. We like to think. And I feel like I've done this exact same rant already on books with your bestie. So here you go again. For those of you who've listened to our previous episodes probably five times, just because it's one of those things that I care so much about. We like to think that we will know when somebody has or we will feel it when somebody is evil or somebody is dangerous. And it's just not true. And it's actually to think that we would know is kind of a victim blaming mentality. Right. Like, so all these women who married a partner who then abused their children in some capacity should have seen it in advance, is what you're saying. It couldn't be that they were just really deft at hiding it. And I, I think the same is true in kind of any general capacity. I think the whole trend around being an empath that has happened on social media, people being like, oh, I'm an empath. I can feel people's energy. No, you generally cannot. And you are not an empath. That's not really a thing. That's not evidence based. There's no way that we can measure or define that. That's. There are people who are more skilled at sort of identifying red flags early on in people than an. Than other people are or like kind of noting when something seems too good to be true. Sure, you might be like, oh, I'm really in tune to human behavior. I really notice nuance in specific ways. But like an empath. No reading energies. No. And frankly, you make yourself a danger. No, you make yourself at risk. Risk is what I mean by that. Because you put yourself in a risky position because you think that it couldn't happen to you because you know and then you're a target. So anyway, drop that, okay? Drop it and recognize that people are complicated. The end. I teach this stuff and I cannot tell you all the time. The only thing I will say is knowing this so, so closely, I do feel like I sometimes can be like, that's false. That charm is glib. That's false. But here's what I'll tell you. People use the word psychopath and sociopath to describe somebody like this killer. In the book, they call him a psychopath. Right? That would be something we want to say. Not every killer is a psychopath. They are not. And that is very important that we understand that psychopathy is a very specific thing. There is a checklist called Hares Psychopathy Checklist Revised PCLR Psychopathy Checklist R. And it is basically that there is a collection of behaviors and traits and characteristics about a person that make them score high, higher or lower on this scale. We all fall on the scale somewhere. Some of us who are low on psychopathy would be, you Know somebody that's probably not going around doing very dangerous things, but also can still be criminals. In fact, more people don't have psychopathy than do. Right? So it's like everyone in prison does not have psychopathy. People who score high on this, who are considered like, considered to have what would be defined as sort of psychopathy is 2% of the population. However, 25% of the prison population has it. So they are more likely to engage in criminal behavior. Okay, I know 2% sounds high. But you know who else is a psychopath? CEOs, highly successful people, Politicians, your next door neighbor. There's lots of people who are completely functional as psychopaths. Psychopathy is marked by typically people being very charming. They are glib with their charm so that just, it just rolls off their tongue. They just say things that to people please you and guess what, it looks very charming. It's very hard to see through because people who are charming are charming. You're just like, this is the guy who, the barista who's just super friendly and so just delightful and everybody likes. And guess what? On the inside there's something else going on. They often also have a grandiose sense of self worth. So this is, I'm very important. Do they know who I am? I am so critical. That may or may not be something that you learn about until you get to know them a little bit more. But they also, then that's the reason that they're like, I should be the CEO, I should be a politician, right? Because I'm so incredible. Why not take the risk? That's not to say all of them are that like that. It's not to say that everybody who's a politician, that's the path they took. Right? But that's one of the things or one of the characteristics, the other side of it is they lack empathy. So they do not actually really have an ability to put themselves in your shoes. They lack the. They lack responsibility taking. They are cunning and manipulative. So they'll manipulate to get what they want. They won't feel bad about it. It's not their fault, not their problem. And they don't care how you feel. They literally cannot understand how you feel. They don't feel it. They don't feel those feelings. So it's not that they are too evil to want to try, it's that they can't, they don't have it. They also are narcissistic. So they're super self centered and self involved and they have a lot of behaviors that sort of can give these key indicators. So animal abuse would be one of those delinquent behaviors. You know, bedwetting can be connected to this kind of thing. Like late, later in life. Bedwetting, not later than life, but like later in childhood. They are. They just have this classic set of symptoms. Oh, they can be promiscuous because all of those things lead to outcomes of what are there to their desire. So, Ashley, I will tell you, I don't know if we've talked about this. I'm sure we have lots of times, but there was someone that we went to college with who was very well liked and he was high profile on our campus because of his position in, in sports as an athlete. And he, I think had psychopathy, was high on the psychopathy checklist. And, and the reason is he actually was arrested as a child, as a, like a teenager for abusing a possum and videotaping it and playing it for his high school. Now he knows I'm talking about him. He was very grandiose. He was quite charming. Everybody liked him. He was, you know, seemed like the all American guy. He always had girlfriends and was well liked and was successful and smart and had all of those things going for him. But I think there were some allegations around domestic kinds of concerns. I mean, this, that I just, I genuinely think, like, just as I've learned about this over the years, like on reflection, like, I knew him very well and these are the things that I saw that I was like, this is all, not. This all lines up as things. But here's the thing, Lay people aren't supposed to actually do that, including myself. We should not be diagnosing other people. It's just a, a practice for me to think about in people. Right. The problem with it is, and the reason you cannot diagnose is we will all diagnose everybody that we don't like as a psychopath. And that's not what we should be doing. And that's actually totally inaccurate. Right. That's why there are experts who apply these in a meaningful way. You cannot be objective. You're like, oh, well, my roommate. I don't think they care about me. That's no empathy. No, that's not what it is. That's actually not how that works. Right. Or like, they don't, they don't do anything for anyone else. And then they say it's not their fault. That's also not responsibility, you know, taking a lack thereof. Like, that's, that's something else. So we don't point this out to other people. But the point of the entire checklist is. And the point of this whole conversation is you wouldn't know they're the charming guy next door or what you just
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said people can be selfish and not be psychopaths. Oh, like people I know who have a number of the things you stated on the checklist. And I'm like, oh, no, no, no. That person's just like a selfish asshole, but not like a murderous psych.
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Right? And sometimes, like, I was just talking to a girlfriend the other day about something that somebody I know who is a man does that drives me crazy. And I was like, I don't know where he got that. It's very X, Y, or Z. And she was like, actually, I think that's just like, men. And I was like, right, right. So we. That's why we don't do it, right? Is because we cannot be objective. And we don't actually. We're not trained to do this, and we don't know what it looks like.
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Right. Well, and this is a little bit not exactly what we're talking about, but there's this trend on Instagram right now, and I saw someone else call it out, and I was so happy that someone said this. So I think we can often blame victims, right? Like in this book, Andrea is getting to know was his. Was the character's name Carson? I don't know.
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We'll look that up, but let's just
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pretend that it is. So Andrea is getting to know, and from the beyond, they. These other women who have been murdered by him are trying to send her these things that we call, like, gut instincts. Like, just trying to find these little moments where Andrea questions like, is he a good guy or is he not? And they're continuing. But there's this trend. I don't know if you've seen it, Em, where, like, on the COVID page of somebody's Instagram, it might be like, oh, your husband watches the kids and doesn't call it babysitting. And then on the next slide, the woman's like, well, I didn't marry a fucking loser. And, oh, I just said the effort on our podcast. Maybe we'll bleep that. But it made me really upset. And I'm glad someone called this out because someone was like, why are we saying that these women choose to marry losers? Like, why are we not talking about women who marry men who, you know, show one version of themselves or they get conned by these charming people? And then the. Anyway, it was just this Whole like, why do we always place the blame on women who get into these situations and act like other women are choosing to marry losers? Of course there are a handful of people who choose to marry bad partners. But like, I don't know, it just made me insane. I'm like, why are we blaming women for, for the circumstances of their marriages?
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I think that's such a good point. That's such a good point.
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No, just, I don't know. Made me think about this book too. Like, Andrea is. Is who he says he is. We're not going to then blame her if she, if he kills her and being like, well, yeah, I didn't date a murderer. Nobody intends to date a murderer.
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Right. And also, could we point the finger at the person who's doing the problem, like the cr. Like the man, like, be like, hey, and. Or like, give the woman tools. Like, okay, well, here's how I helped my husband to learn why this was important to me or whatever. I don't know, I feel like, yeah, there is so much judgment around women. We, this is, this is true all the time. Like, here we go on our women's rant. But the same thing is happening online about grifters. So. So right now there's like lots of attacks of like the Rachel Hollis esque people like Mel Robbins and just any of them, like, it's like, like coming after these women. Influencer grifters. Okay, what about men ones? There's a billion. And you all are just letting them have a pass.
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Yeah, I mean, I think women get held to a higher standard, an unfair standard than men in these ways. And it's so easy to point out the way that women are doing it wrong instead of looking at exactly what you're saying. What was I going to say? Oh, so here's something in the book. This is a total turn, but something I don't have personal experience with. But it made me think about how dangerous men can much more easily get access to women. And that was the online dating in this book. I never participated in meeting someone online, but I did think in online dating, Carson, if that's his name, I'm probably getting it wrong.
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The mail. It's James Carson. So it is. That's his last name. Yeah.
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You know, you're able to paint this picture of yourself that you could take a really long time curating and like telling people who you are online and then you meet this person. And anyway, I hadn't had experience with that, so I just thought, oh, yeah, you can really create who you are and draw people in, and then you're somebody really dangerous.
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Well, let me give you my online dating tips, because I did date online a lot, and I met my husband that way. We were both working professionals. And here's what I learned. Never, ever, ever care about what their profile really says or, like, talk to them online extensively, right? That's so stupid. I can tell you, at the very beginning of online dating, I would, like, email with these people or, like, exchange messages with these people back and forth. And then I'd meet them and I would be like, immediately, like, what a waste of time that was. This is just not at all the person. There is no connection, no vibe. And then other people that I would not message with, we would meet, and right away I would be like, oh, this is an interesting person who I could have a connection with. I'm gonna keep dating this person. Here's my tip. If you're online dating, you swipe, you connect, whatever, right? Then you just meet the person somewhere where you can be completely neutral. At a coffee shop. You show up and park somewhere that they don't know where your car is. You leave alone as well. Like, you don't leave with them. You just meet them for 15 minutes more. Of course, you can never be safe, because guess what? Most crimes are by somebody that you know anyway. So this is not like this protects you from everything. But the reality is, like, just at least it prevents that part. Ashley. Yeah, people can make whoever they want to be online, but people can do that in person, too.
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Well, and we're just going to go off on all the things. We have talked about this before, but I want to talk about it again with this book. There were instances where Andrea's gut told her, this isn't right. He. There's something. This isn't right. I am in danger in some way. And we have talked about how as women, instead of trusting that we. We sometimes want to apologize for it and be like, oh, maybe he's not a bad guy. Maybe I should give him another chance. So the amount of times that I think we don't trust our gut when we should have, I. I just like that theme in this book.
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I do, too. Well, I think especially, I don't know about younger generations, but our generation, as the last year of Gen Xers, we were taught to be polite. I think just culturally. Culturally, it's like men could, like, catcall us or stare at us or whatever, and we needed to be like. And I think that. That. That we override those instincts all the Time. Because of that cultural politeness. Like, it's rude to be like, I don't want to be here anymore. I'm gonna go. And I actually think that's still probably a problem for women. You have to be more direct. You just need to say, I don't feel connection here. Or like, this isn't working for me in this moment. I'm gonna go and leave. But we're afraid to do that. And I get it, because there could be consequences, too, to that, right? Because then we can. You could piss him off. But I did. I don't know. I did adopt a more direct approach. I will tell you one thing that I'm teaching my daughter is not to be so polite. So a fifth grade boy apparently said something about, can I touch your butt? To another girl? And it was overheard, and we were talking about it, and I was like, okay. To my child. I was like, what do you do if somebody says something like that to you or somebody does try to touch you or anything like that? What should you do? And she's like, I don't know. And I was like, tell them if they touch you again, you'll break their fingers. I said, snap at them like you're gonna bite them and hiss like an angry cat. I was like, act crazy. I don't care. But tell them to get the f away from you. You can use your first swear word. I was like. And then you go, tell on them.
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I love it. I. I told you that my. My niece. My niece, who's now 11 months old, when she was, like, seven months old, when I would say, I love you, she would just hiss back at me, and she'd go. And I go, yes, yes. That's how. That's how we talk to people who, like. I mean, we joke about it, but it's true. You know, I saw something that. Of course, I saw this on probably Twitter, and I'll never be able to find it again and attach it. So just ignore that. It won't be in the show notes, but a woman said she was on an elevator, and maybe you saw this. Maybe this is something that has gone viral. I haven't seen it talked about, but she's on an elevator, and a man gets on with her, and she presses 106 and he presses 107. And then basically, he sees the floor she's getting off on, and he goes, oh, I meant to press 106 also. And then they get to 106, the doors open, and she goes, oh, my gosh. I don't know what I was thinking. I meant to go to 107 and then as soon as the doors are about to close, she runs off the elevator because she's like, my gut just said, like, he was waiting to see what I pushed and then was going to. And she's like, maybe not. Maybe he really did miss it. But also the amount that women have to think to keep ourselves safe in everyday life. Like, sometimes I think about the amount of energy it takes for us just doing day to day tasks to be like, am I safe?
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I know. And probably men who are listening are like, well, actually any man who would listen to us at this point is like, yes, correct. They do. But we all have a billion stories. A billion. Like, one. I'll just tell you one. My sister and I were at a breakfast place and we were walking back to the car and this man was coming up, like, walking super fast and aggressively, and we were in like, not the nicest area. And he was coming to towards us. And we both immediately were just like, this is not. And my sister was super, super pregnant. And I like, kind of shoved her in the car. And as he came up, he said, what I'm gonna do to you. You'll never be able to have kids again. Scared the out of us, obviously. We called 91 1. The operator was like, where is he? Tell me everything. Like, took it very seriously. But it's just like, you can't have a man say something like that to you just randomly when you're standing on a public sidewalk and you're like, running to get away from them and feel like, oh, I'm just gonna be polite and, and not worry about it when I'm getting on the elevator with a dude.
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C
Right. And I think it's better to trust our. Like, in the. In the end of this book, Andrea's able to save herself from all of these, like, signs and stuff that the women from beyond were sending her. But I think I would rather err on the side of pissing someone off and being a dick and knowing I was safe than not and getting myself in a precarious situation.
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B
Yeah. Anyway, I. I like this book and I love the protections that women put in place for. For each other. Like in ask for Andrea. Like, just that concept that there, there is that out there for women in.
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Yeah.
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That like, hey, you don't have to do this. Navigate this alone. Like, if you're with a date, you don't feel comfortable. We got you.
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Yeah. And I think I have seen different iterations of it now. Where I just think it's becoming more common for women to look out for one another when we're not physically together. Like, I've seen people who say, you know, like, you can call me if you're in an Uber. Like, we're not friends, but here's my number. Like, if you're an Uber and you feel uncomfortable, call this number and I'll say, like, you're coming to my. Or a woman was like, I saw this. A woman said she was at the gym and her husband was kind of like role playing. Like, they had just met. And he walked up to her and said, you know, like, you know, hey, girl, you want to, like, go home with me after the gym or whatever bullshit he said. And a girl came up to her, and I was like, oh, my gosh, we have to go. We're headed out. And the girl's like, no, no, no, I'm safe. This is my husband. He's just being a weirdo.
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I love her, but, like, girls just
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C
looking out for one another in public spaces. I just don't remember that happening when we were younger.
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B
No, I. Again, I mean, I feel like we were taught to stick together in groups, but I don't remember really being like, oh, I need to save my friends. I mean, maybe occasionally I'd be like, that guy's weirdo. You know, but like, that. We didn't have those kinds of systems in place. We didn't have those conversations the same way and didn't.
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We weren't usually proactive about saying, like, not to get personal, but about saying, like, this guy did this. Look out for him. It would only be when someone came to you and said, like, this guy did this. And you'd be like, oh, yeah, that happened to me too.
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B
Right?
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C
Anyway, on that happy note, I liked
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this book a lot. Everyone should read it. I think there's. It's just. It's good in all the ways. Anyone who likes the Thriller. Yeah, it was really sad. It definitely made me cry my eyes out, too.
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C
Yeah, it was. It was sad. And it was also, as you said, dark. Like, it was darker than I thought it was going to be. Does she have anything new coming out?
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Yeah.
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C
Oh, she does. What is it? I did think I saw something. Okay.
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B
Oh, Gray After Dark. I liked that one, too. I did not. I have not done some of the other. None left to tell. I definitely want to read that. Room for Rent, the Thicket. I feel like these were. These are all on my list. I just haven't gotten to them. But I Swear I saw.
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No, she has one coming out called the last to drown. July 2026. A group of strangers goes on a rafting adventure. I'm already scared. But it quickly turns into a deadly survival situation where not everyone will make it out alive.
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Yes. July of 26. Yes. I had seen something about this and I'm, I'm excited. I mean, I think she's just a great author and she also publishes relatively quick, like, like one to two a year, which is really nice.
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She. I guess this year. And then we'll let our listeners go. But this year she. I don't know how I miss this. Forget you saw her. She dropped a prequel connected to Ask for Andrea, a standalone prequel to the international bestseller Ask for Andrea, available now.
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B
What's the. What's it called?
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Forget you saw her. And it's a prequel. It came out recently, so it's not like it's been out for a long time. In 2025.
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B
Sounds amazing.
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C
A birth mother searches for the daughter she gave up.
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B
Yeah.
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Anyway, all right, well, add that to my ever growing list.
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B
Yeah, I like it.
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All right. Of course, I can't remember what we are going to talk about on the next episode, but we'll pick a book and let you guys know in the show notes.
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B
Or we won't, because remember I tried to tell you last time, Ashley, we've got to stop promising them books because we never followed through this one. We did. Yeah, it just took a while. We have other things we told them we were going to read. And you told me what they were.
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C
Well, ask Allison.
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B
No, it's on a list. It's on a list. One of them is Amy Greens. I haven't killed in years. Do you know what we should talk about?
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C
Because I'm reading it for the first time. Jar of hearts.
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B
Oh, I read that.
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C
That book is. So that's our. So if you're on Patreon, we're doing a Patreon only book and that's our Patreon only book for this month. And I, I don't know how it's the one Jennifer Hillier book I missed, but it's really dark and I love it so much.
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B
Dude, Jennifer Hillier is a brutal. She's like Heather Goodenkopf.
- [28:45]
C
I know. Anyway, so that's what I'm reading right now and I'm not reading it before bed.
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B
What's the basic premise again?
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C
There's a group of friends and there was a murder that happened. Someone has been in prison connected to the murder. So you have you read it?
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B
I've read it. I just needed a reminder which one it was. Is it the one about the boyfriend and the girlfriend?
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C
Yes. Yeah.
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B
Okay. All right.
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C
Obsession and, like, all the things I love. But anyway, yeah, it's good.
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B
Okay. I was actually. What's terrible is I mostly remember just the beginning premise of her, like, at her bad boyfriend's house or something. Like, just very early on in the opening scene. Okay, that sounds good. Well, I. Maybe I'll read it again. That'd be fun. And we could talk about it.
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C
Yeah, it'll be fun to talk to our Patreon peeps about it.
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B
I feel like there's more. Jennifer Hillier has a book coming out this year, too, that I'm excited for.
- [29:36]
C
Yeah, me too. She's great.
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B
Okay, well, thanks for joining us. Sorry that we just rambled. Especially me. I talked so long about psychopaths, but that's. Man, you hit a little passion point there.
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C
Somebody must follow us. Who knew to ask you that question? They wanted to hear about it.
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B
They were like, her, just say this exactly before. Say it exactly again. It's like my quick, like. It's like my elevator pitch. I get on an elevator and I'm like, what's up? Do you know about psychopaths? They're like, all right. That's actually how I protect myself. That's actually how I like myself on elevators. I get on and I'm like, do you want to talk about psychopaths? And they're like, you know what, ma'? Am? I was getting off earlier.
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C
I thought, I just go to Charlie Rotten. I go.
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B
They're like, well, she's crazy. Let's not. Okay, Bye.
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C
Bye, besties. Thanks for listening.
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B
For more content, find us on Patreon at the creepy Book Club.
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C
Happy reading.