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B
Hi, I'm Emily. I'm Ashley, and this is Books with your besties.
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C
Welcome back, besties. We are here today to talk to you about Her Last Breath by Taylor Adams. Emily, 1 to 5, what do you rate it?
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B
4. Ashley, 1 to 5, what do YOU rate it?
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C
Also a 4. But it's like, it stressed me out to the point that I didn't want to listen to it sometimes.
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B
Oh, so you were like. You're, like, a low four.
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C
I think if I read it with my eyes, I might have been more. But I read it with my ears, and I just already have such a fear of water. Wait, we didn't say it. You guys, if you haven't read the book, go read it because this is full spoilers and then come back. So back to what I was saying. I'm really afraid of water.
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B
Like drowning. Yeah.
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C
And I mean, I guess we just get right into it.
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B
Like, you.
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C
I don't believe you would ever go into a cave and go, like, cave caving. I guess we're not supposed to call it spelunking. That's what amateurs call it.
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B
I know, but you said you were afraid of water, so. You mean like the part where they. At the very end. Yeah.
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C
And just. Yes. Like, being underwater, not being able to breathe. And caves also just feel wet. Like, there's probably water down there.
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B
Got it. I was like, what? This was a caving book. Did you read it? Yeah. Well, listen, I. Here's the thing is it gets a higher four for me. And the reason is, I think it's just, like, a solid thriller one. But also. Also, I really like any book that gives me a reason to care about something that I really don't like or don't care about. Like, I have a. I have a thing. Okay. Like, K me. I have a thing about that. Yeah. Like, I loved Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow because it was about, like, video games from, like, the 90s and 80s, and my dad sometimes would play those, and I thought they were always interesting, but I never played them. I don't know anything about them, I don't really care. But I loved the book anyway. Point being, I hate the idea of caving. Like, I will not go caving. I. It's not a thing for me. It even going into, like, little caves like at the beach or something. These, like, see caves in rocks and the kids want to walk in. I'm like, absolutely not. Get out. So it's not my thing. I hate it so much. It's miserable. So the beginning was actually the harder part for me being like, ooh, I don't know if I want to read about this caving.
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C
No, but you. When you first started reading it and I, you, you read it really fast and I started reading it and maybe was like 30 pages in and you were like, I'm super excited to talk about this because it could be a bigger conversation about extreme sports and.
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B
Right.
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C
It just made me think of all of these different obsessions that people have with extreme sports and how maybe once you decide caving is your thing, that's just your thing and nobody can talk you out of it. But I also couldn't be talked into doing any of these extreme sports because I'm too risk averse.
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B
Yes, you are extremely risk averse. Not in a you won't try new things way. You just. You don't like to do a lot of things that might be uncomfortable or
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C
super dangerous are dangerous.
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B
I feel like on trips it's always like, no, I don't wanna do that. No, I don't wanna do that. And then you do it and you're fine. But you don't really wanna do a lot of things. I like to do adventure things. Like, I like to do something that's unknown. But what I mean by that is, like, go on a boat to an island with a restaurant and hang out. Like, I, I don't mean let's try surfing on the big wave in the middle of the ocean. I'm just, I don't need the extreme adrenaline rush, risk kinds of things.
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C
And for, for the five of you listening, here's the thing. You and I have done things that were, in hindsight, risky and gotten ourselves in precarious situations. And I think I have fight or flight from those. Where were we hiking? We've talked about this before, like, Turkey. And. And we ended up having to scale. I was like, this is not what I signed up for. I thought we were just going on like a hike and we were like scaling, scaling a rock wall and I wanted to die.
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B
And also we were then like, way lost and trekking through people's property like, oh, climb this fence. Even though I know it says no trespassing. Like, and that was guided. That was guided. Anyway, I know exactly what you mean by that. I. It's not that. Yeah, we're. We were super adventurers. We went on Semester at Sea and we did all kinds of stuff. Riding camels in the Sahara and just crazy things. But I also think we are 45 now, and so maybe that's part of it. Like, I don't really need. I don't really need more. No. Heidi. Heidi, our shipping manager just went skydiving. Yes.
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C
She. Yeah, she's on a whole kick of doing. Doing kind of big, big scary things. And I also think. And we're not even talking about the book now, but I also think when you are more aware of what could happen. My mom works with. Worked with patients in hospitals who had to be rehabilitated from oftentimes doing these risky behaviors. Like when people say, like, oh, that might not happen, I'm like, actually it will. My mom had a patient who this happened to. So sometimes I think proximity to people who have been injured in ways people don't imagine just makes you know what could happen.
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B
Okay, maybe. But I'm going to counter that because I think Heidi more than anyone knows what bad things can happen. True. And she's willing to take the risks. And she's just also really freaking cool. And maybe that's part of it. She's just cooler than us. It's just hard to admit that we're just maybe not very exciting anymore. And I think it's. Okay, let's say it out loud together. Say it. Ashley, we're boring. Say it.
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C
No, we are boring.
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B
Were boring.
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C
Mainly me.
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B
Very good.
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C
Okay, wait. Back to the book for one second because right away, I told you, I do not like books where they. They. These people claim to be best friends, but they are absolutely horrible to each other. And I just don't understand. I just don't understand it and I don't like it.
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B
Oh, okay. That was an interesting thing right at the very beginning. It was like, if you're not jealous of your best friend, then who are you? Like, jealous of? What? I don't want to be my best friend. I'm not trying to be her and smell her hair and shit.
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C
I. I'm just not a fan of that. But then. But then the storyline completely changed and it wasn't really about that. But in the beginning I thought, no, I don't like these weird backstabbing best friend Situationships.
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B
I know. I did think it was funny. It's probably true for a lot of people though, because you and I, that's not our experience of being best friends that we would want to harm each other in any way or like be jealous of each other. Like, I want your success to be more, you know, all the time. And I am just proud of you and excited for you. I also have. It may, maybe it's different. Maybe it's different because here's the thing. What if I wanted to be an influencer and you were the influencer and I was not and I was trying really hard.
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C
But what I like you laughing at that. Well, not about history. Not about the influencer part. I just thought about our who history of friendship and I'm like, there's never been something like the things you love and work really hard at and are so good at. It's, it's like yin and yang are things I would never do. Do you know what I mean? Like, I'm not going to be jealous of you kicking ass at Pilates because like I have no interest in doing something that hard. I would never be jealous of you be getting your PhD and becoming a professor because I'm like, that's a lot of work. Never. And you're like, I'm so mad about our success because I don't want anybody to know who I am.
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B
I know.
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C
So like my experience, you're like, I don't want to touch that with a thousand foot pole.
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B
No, not at all. I have no, no interest or desire to be any kind of public figure. But also, and, and there's other, you know, other things that are similar. Like I don't, I don't want to run a marathon. It's just not on my list of things to do. Like I, I, it's fantastic that you do, but I just, that helps that we have different interests, but we also have a lot of crossover in our interests. And I think we're both just maybe more self assured than some people.
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C
I agree. And we both know. And we both know. And I would say this is for other women we have in our lives who are, we have similar relationships with that we both know that at our core we only want what's best for the other person and we wouldn't do anything to derail that.
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B
Yeah. But I do think that's, I do think that's high self esteem. I know that's a ridiculous way to say it and it sounds egotistical, but it's like true high self esteem. There's multiple kinds of self esteem. Right? There's high self esteem, low self esteem, and, like, a whole continuum of that. And then there's also defensive self esteem, and I think a lot of people have that. Defensive self esteem is basically, like, your self esteem is contingent on defending it compared to other people. These are the people who have to talk trash about other people to, like, make themselves look better. You know, they, like, put others down to bring themselves up. And someone else's success is a threat to their own self esteem because they're not as good in that way. And neither one of us have that right.
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C
And nor do I think, like, I have a handful of women in my life who I also know I could drop into any situation, and they would be an asset to the entire group because I think they have what you are talking about. Like, they know who they are. They're not threatened. Like, and I'll just say her name. She'll listen. But, like, I was laughing the other day about my friend Christina, and she'll hear this. When I invited her to come on a girls trip with us, I had known her for, like, 12 seconds, and she was in a meeting.
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B
Yes.
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C
And I just knew you're someone that could get dropped into any situation, and you're gonna be. You're gonna be gold, right?
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B
Yeah. Yeah, I think, you know? So anyway, that experience in the book was weird. That was one of the first things we were texting each other was you were like, wait, I don't like the way they say they're best friends, but they don't like each other. Like, Tess was, like, jealous of Ali's being an influencer. Right. And then I started making a lot of jokes about that, too.
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C
I did like, and I didn't find confusing for once in my life. Did you like the multiple or, I don't know, like, the timeline of the. The person interviewing her in the hospital, and then they're back in the cave. I liked it.
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B
I liked that, too.
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C
Yeah.
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B
See, I found it. Once I got past the I hate caving part, I was able to be like, I'm just gonna appreciate this story. And then I was into it, and I liked it. And here's the thing is, I hate. I have been on social media before where my algorithm shows me caving videos, and they're all caving disasters. This. So this was probably more interesting to me. Listen, I highly recommend you go and you just watch a few of them. It'll tell a story. It'll be like an animation, and it'll show what the cave looks like. Like, it'll have a picture of like the cave and it's like air pockets. And like, talk about. The problem is this was filled with carbon monoxide. So carbon dioxide, not monoxide. Oh my God, I'm the stupidest person's life. Anyway, it'll be like, it's filled with their breathing. Whatever you breathe out of your. Of your breath. So they, you know, we'll talk about those things and they'll show how people got stuck. And I'm just like watching it stresses me out. And the comments are always so funny. They're like in things you don't have to do, you know, like, just absolutely no thank you. And so I was into it because of that.
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C
I actually wish I. Well, now I'm jealous of you for watching those videos beforehand because I did feel like. And I should have just independently done this and looked up videos, but I was having a hard time picturing when they would talk about these scenes in the book where it was like, I'm out of view from this person. I have to go up here. Like how the cave was designed when she was trying to get away. Like, that was so tense and. And scary.
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B
Yes. I. I feel like you have to go and look, you're going to be like, oh. Because it. The part two where they go under the water in the cave and then they're like finding air pockets. Like I could picture that from those videos.
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C
Nope.
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B
So you have to go watch them.
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C
And then may. Maybe we don't want to talk about this yet. But then the. The biggest twist at the end of the book is like, it's actually Tess is the bad person, not Allie.
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B
I know, I. Did you see it coming? I think I saw it coming a little bit. And I never see anything coming in books.
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C
I know I didn't. I'm really bad at reading books. I didn't see it coming, but I did not believe Ally was dead.
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B
Okay, so here's how I saw it coming. It wasn't that I was like, oh, Tess is making the story her. Like, I didn't get the exact twist, but I was like, um, this in the hospital is actually Allie. Or like I was trying to figure it out. Like, this is not like this is some. They're somehow switched around. And I was trying to figure that out. And I did catch on then at some point when he. The boyfriend towards. It's really close to the end. It's close to like the twist reveal. But like those. The chapters before there's conversation with the boyfriend where he keeps calling her baby girl or what? What was it he called her?
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C
Something. I didn't like that part either. It was baby girl.
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B
But I realized he's never saying her. It's not Ally.
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C
Oh.
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B
So he never said her name. And I kind of was like, I think it's going to be Tess. But here's the thing is I didn't care. I still thought it was really good and I didn't know the whole exact twist and how it all played out. And it made so much more sense that Tess would be the bad guy since she was the one that was, like, very damaged as a child and, like, had all this trauma and had all these issues. So it, like, it all came together really nicely for me and I feel like I was not deterred by like, even sort of guessing. That didn't ruin it.
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C
Yeah. I would like to talk to Taylor Adams. Maybe we should reach out to him. Because the books like no Exit and this book, there's just like, no letting off the gas. They really are like thriller movies. They're just so fast paced. Um, anyway, that's my only observation. Like, they're so fast paced, you kind of never get a second to breathe.
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B
I know. I. He had the last word. I haven't read that one. Have you read that?
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C
No. And then was he. I. I'll take this out if it's not. Was he also five total strangers or was that not Taylor Adams?
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B
No. Okay. No, let me look up. Um, he was Hairpin Bridge, which I haven't read.
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C
You haven't?
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B
No, I. That's a good one.
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C
I absolutely love that book. It is the most wild, wild ride. Like on the edge of your seat. Absolutely cannot. Yeah, I loved it. I mean, not as like a. It's just like a fun, very fast paced thriller. Also very scary. Okay.
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B
I'm adding it right now, literally as we speak.
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C
Yeah, I think you'll really like it.
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B
It's got a long, long hold wait time at my library. I started the new Nalini Singh. Such a perfect family. Oh, I'm not sure. We'll see. I'm going to give it a little chance here. Okay, so I want to go back to this friendship because here's another thing that struck me and this is why, Ashley. We almost got ourselves into a thriller book through our Reconsidered Unsolved podcast. But luckily we're not in it yet. There's so people in books. Their relationship is so boring. Like, isn't it interesting how many people don't like to Laugh a lot.
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C
Yeah, it's my favorite thing.
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B
It's my favorite thing, too. And yesterday I realized after some of our text messages, they're so funny. They're so funny. And I laugh so much at our text messages. And I realized most of our friendship is actually about who can be the best, and it's about who it can be the funniest.
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C
Absolutely. It's a competition since day one. Also, let me tell them about the text exchange that does have to do with this book. I just texted Emily the second I finished the book, and I said, tess
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B
is a big it.
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C
And Emily was like, what are we talking about? What happened? Who are we talking about? And I was like, in the book, Tess. But I also sent the message and then had to go, like, do some work, so didn't come back for a long time. And usually I text right back. And you were like, this is absolutely inappropriate. You cannot. And we don't. We don't text stuff like that. Like, we don't call other women. So you're like, something has gone horrifically wrong.
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B
I was stressing. I. I sent you, like, four text messages. I was like, who?
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C
Who?
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B
Whose test? Where? What's the problem? I can't find it. I scoured all of social media while you were gone, thinking, like, somebody really came after us or came after you or, like, I don't know. I was like, like, did we get sued? I finally. We knew that was coming, but it was Tess.
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C
And I was like, no, I just finished the book. Like, Tess, I finished the book.
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B
Oh, my gosh. Yeah, you're dead to me after that. But other than that text, it was lots of just. We just try to one up each other on being funnier until finally someone, like, says the thing that makes you stop and be like, I'm dying.
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C
Or it makes you like, that went. That went too far. We have to stop.
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B
That was too far. We can never repeat them, but they're funny, so you won't catch us in a cave. Okay, here's my questions. I have a series of questions for you. Ashley, are you ready? Yeah.
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C
Would you go skydiving? Absolutely not. But my husband has no.
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B
What about Melian?
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C
No.
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B
No.
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C
Because I just have no interest in doing it. Would you.
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B
I know. I think it would be. I don't think. I think it would be too traumatizing for me. I get an adrenaline rush from, like, you know, standing up out of my chair, so I'm not sure that my heart could handle. I would.
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C
Here's. Here's a question. I'll ask you and then I'll tell you my answer. If you had to. Had to, would you skydive or go on a two day caving adventure?
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B
Sky.
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C
Same. No, for I'd pay to skydive.
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B
Also I would do it for a million dollars. What are you outta your mind? For a million dollars, I'll skydive. One time I, I'd probably call Heidi and I'd be like, you're coming with me. And, and I would get a bunch of other people to come and support me and I would go with the best instructor and I'd be like, I wanna be strapped to you. And then I would also be like here, could you please inject this into me just before.
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C
Wait, would I go for 5, 000?
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B
You're gonna have to flip me on my back.
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C
I. I want to tell you about the time in this book while we were reading it where I felt like I might be the not smartest person alive. When she shot the gun and she was in. Was she, was she underwater when she shot the gun or just in the cave?
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B
Just in the cave in where the pool of water was.
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C
For some reason I thought the bullet had to go through water. And then I convinced myself like a bullet can't go through water. And I was like, I'm pretty sure it can. I think you could shoot someone underwater and it would still shoot them.
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B
I don't know. It. Does a gun fire underwater? We could ask Justin.
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C
We could ask Justin. I didn't look it up, but then I was like, am I the dumbest person I know?
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B
Like who?
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C
A bullet against water. Also, Taylor Adams kills people in like shooting him in the neck. He gets violent.
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B
Well, yes, I don't want Taylor's from
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C
other books, but he's pretty violent in how he harms people.
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B
I feel like this one was tame compared to no Exit. No Exit. I was like, I've got. I cannot. This is not okay for my virginal eyes.
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C
I, I feel like after no Exit now we just make sure when we're at rest areas. You're like, I'm at a rest stop. Just make sure you see my car start moving again.
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B
Listen, the nice thing about most thriller books is you can see the holes in no Exit. She was like. And then I trusted this random guy. There's five people in there and one of them is holding a child captive. You shouldn't trust anybody. Probably you should go ahead and like mind your business, act cool. Anyway, I don't know. I always think I would do it Right. In the Thriller books. But I wouldn't. I would be dead. Pretty quick.
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C
Can we do a complete 180? That's not about this book, but I just want to say something about it.
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B
Okay.
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C
Hey, and I don't know why, but if you are not listening to our other podcast, this will literally take like 10 seconds. It's about this girl named Rachel Hansen. She was murdered. And we did a long form multi episode podcast on the case because it's unsolved. She was a product of the foster care system. Did I tell you I listened to this Armchair Expert episode about the foster care system and I had to listen three times because I was having big emotional feelings the whole time.
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B
No, I didn't know that it was. Who's on it? Who's the expert?
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C
I'm gonna. I'll send it to you. I know this is not on topic, but it just. She said something at one point and it made me so sad about how broken the foster care system is. And she's like, it's not a system about really taking care of children. Like, it's a housing. It's a housing system.
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B
Housing, Housing, housing.
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C
Housing.
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B
Say it again.
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C
Housing. Her name's Claudia Rowe. She wrote Wards of the State, the Long Shadow of American Foster Care. She's a journalist, advocate, and author. Anyway, it just broke my heart. And I guess in the end she gives some ideas about how to fix it. But two things she said. I don't know why I'm talking about this now, but she said, oftentimes people think that children in foster care are running away. And she's like, most of them are running to try to find their families, to try to find the homes that they were taken from. And then maybe I shouldn't say it that way. We can take that out. But the other thing she said that made me so sad was that it's that neglect can look like poverty. So so often children are taken out of homes because they are homes that are experiencing poverty and it's not actual neglect. Does that make sense?
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B
Yes. So, like, poverty can look like neglect.
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C
Poverty can look like neglect.
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B
Yeah. Because they're not getting their needs met. Well, Right. But that it can because they don't have the money to.
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C
Exactly, exactly. And anyway, I'm gonna send it to you. I think you should listen to it. And it made me think so much about Rachel and the trauma.
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B
Well, and Tess in this book.
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C
Yeah, exactly. And like, the trauma that can just come for the rest of your life because you had to be a part of this broken system.
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B
Although Tess in this book was faking her traumatic childhood anyway. That's really crazy. But it seemed from the outset that she was part of the foster care system. The thing I didn't understand is it can look like children are running away from something. Like the children aren't making the decision to leave their families. So that's, that's the only reason I don't understand that, because I don't. I'm not assigning behavioral, any. Any kind of action to the kids.
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C
She was talking about, like when a family loses custody of a 10 year old or a 12 year old and they are then placed in foster care, that there are these statistics that say kids in foster care run away more frequently. And she's like, they're not running away. Most of them are just trying to get back home to their birth.
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B
Oh, yeah, of course.
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C
So that. I just must have said that wrong.
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B
That.
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C
Yeah. Anyway.
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B
Well, of course kids want to be with their parents even when their parents treat them horribly. It's the saddest thing ever. But that attachment is really powerful. And I wish that we had some means of finding as soon as possible and helping them form attachments with healthier people, but.
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C
Right.
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B
Unfortunately too, like, a lot of people who could do foster care in some capacity, like actually could provide a healthy environment don't do it because they feel emotionally not equipped to or they have. They're too busy. They have other things that they're engaging in. You know, so it's not always. We don't have enough people who are serving foster kids. But it's like all these parents taking in tests because of her horrible childhood. Like, what good people? It's also weird, like, why would they consider themselves like sisters or like best friends when, yeah, Tess lived with Ali. But Ali always kind of hated Tess.
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C
Yeah.
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B
And then like, and thought she was mean and could see like, the bad things about her, but, like, kept her around and should have cut her loose but didn't. And then Tess hated Allie and was jealous of her and thought she was, you know, I don't know, wanted to kill her.
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C
Right.
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B
Again, I feel like it around 30, maybe even a little before you start realizing that you don't have to have people in your life who aren't, who don't serve you well and you just can, like, cut out people or like. And it's too. It's not even effortful. You don't have to cut people out even. You just don't engage with people who you're like, I don't think this is going to be a positive relationship for me.
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C
Right.
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B
And it just goes away.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Well, anyway, I'm going to try that with you. Now. The biggest issue we have it. You heard me correct her on how to say housing. It's because I could not stop making fun of her. If you go listen to episode five. Oh, it comes out Friday. It comes out today on Patreon. Wait, it's out today? Right now? I need to stop. I know. But when we're recording this, you're probably going to hear this anyway. It's out. If you're hearing this podcast, it's out publicly. Episode 5 of Our Reconsidered unsolved. You just have to listen just to hear Ashley say housing. She says housing. She was going to lose her housing. Oh, I could not stop making fun of. Fun of you. And luckily, your mom was in the car and heard it, so also, she could make fun of you, too.
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C
She makes fun of both of anything you and I have wrong with our speech. She is all over it.
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B
I know.
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C
I'm like, friend, I film a podcast mom.
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B
I know there's a reason that I should not be on there. I should be behind the scenes. It's because of the way that I talk. I have problematic language patterns.
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C
I told my stylist last night who listens to our podcast that she goes, sometimes I can't tell you two apart. And she's like. And it's interesting because I think you have, like, a. A distinct speech pattern, like when I'm with you in person. But she's like, you guys sound the same. And I told her, it's our whole theory about how we've been best friends for so long, we're just morphing into one person. Like how dogs and owners start to look to get a life. Right.
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B
Exactly. It's also because. Because I'm jealous of you. I'm trying to change my voice to sound. To sound like you're. Um.
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C
Okay, besties, if you have any experience caving, feel free to school us and tell us why it's the most awesome thing ever. We still won't try it, but we'd love to know if you're super brave, not like us. Yeah.
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B
And also, you know, we hope you enjoyed this book. Here's what we're also going to be reading. We don't know, so we'll let you know. I have a lot of reading to do. Let's. Let's talk Ashley offline after this about what we're going to be reading. And we can. We can try to get on Patreon and be like, here's some more things that we're going to do. Books with your besties. Podcast song.
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C
Okay, deal.
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B
Let's do a throwback book. Something older that a lot of people will have read.
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C
I mean, we. Well, I can't say what it's about because then it would ruin. Why it's one of my favorite books. Like what it. I love talk. Here's the books I love talking about. I'm going to be selfish and just tell you. I love having conversations about the book, the Push. I love having conversations about New House. What do you love having? Conversation.
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B
They already did New House.
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C
I know. What's something we haven't talked about?
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B
We could do the Push. We could do. We haven't done that. We did Verity. Right. I like doing those controversial books. That's what I like talking about. The ones that people can't believe.
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C
We've never talked about.
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B
Silent Patient.
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C
But that book's pretty old. Or do you know what book we should. Did you read Sharp Objects?
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B
Yes.
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C
Okay.
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B
I love. I loved all the things. Oh, we struggle with. Gone Girl. No, that's too. It's too. It's too long ago. It's over. I know. I'm looking way back. Oh, you know what we should do? Have you ever heard of Lucinda Berry? Who's that? Just one of the best thriller authors ever. Let's do Appetite for Innocence. Did we do that already? We did.
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C
Yeah, but just on. I think we did it on Patreon only. What did we.
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B
We did.
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C
We have it somewhere because we then. Or maybe we just talked to her about it.
- [28:23]
B
Maybe that was. You know what? I think there's a place that we can look this up. The podcast app. Let's see. Books with your besties. Let me just look really quick while we're here. This is like a behind the scenes right here on our books with your besties. But this is. We. We need you to tell us. You tell us what books should we be talking about? That would be a good idea, don't you think?
- [28:43]
C
Yeah. What throwback books? What is a throwback book? We haven't talked about that. You want to talk about.
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B
I like that. Oh, man. We've talked about a lot of books.
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C
I know.
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B
That's the problem.
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C
Oh, yeah. We have 54 books we have talked about.
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B
We did Saving Noah.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Oh, there's Appetite for Innocence. We sure did do that one. Okay, well, we gotta figure it out. And also we need to do a. We need to make a list.
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C
That's what we'll do. We'll make a list. We'll put it on Patreon and come over there and look at the list and read those books. Okay?
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B
Okay. That sounds like a good idea. I think I keep. We also have probably have some books that we still promised and didn't do episodes on.
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C
If we promise you when we don't do an episode on it, that might be our silent protest way of saying, it's not, you shouldn't read it.
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B
That's actually true. That's actually true. We promised one, and I was like, I can't do this. There's two. There's not enough days in my life.
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C
Okay, bye, besties.
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B
Thanks for listening. Bye.
- [29:37]
C
Thanks for listening.
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B
For more content, find us on Patreon at the creepy Book Club.
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C
Happy reading.