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Ashley
Hi friends. We are so excited to bring some of the authors we will have at our 2026 retreat to you for this summer for a little summer reading series. Today we welcome Kara Ruda. Her latest book is Jill is not Happy and she surprises us with something else she has coming in 2026.
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Emily
Hi, I'm Emily.
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Ashley
I'm Ashley. And this is books with your besties. So you guys, today we have, I'm gonna say our friend Kara R year. She came to our retreat and she's coming back in 2026. And before retreat, I don't know if I told you this, Kara, Emily was like, I think she's gonna be my favorite. And then by the end of retreat, none of us wanted it to end. We just felt like we had created this friendship and understanding around one another and it was just the true saying of like, if you do something you love, it doesn't feel like work. And I don't know, maybe you guys left and had a different feeling. But we felt like we had made new friends for life. So here we are about to chat about this, your book that was just released. Jill is not happy. So for our listeners, Kara is an American author and entrepreneur best known for her gripping psychological thrillers and empowering works of women's fiction. She is a USA Today and Amazon charts best selling novelist. She's captivated readers with her suspenseful stories like Best Day Ever, the Favorite Daughter. Her writing delves into complexities of domestic life, power and deception and often exposes the undercurrents of beneath seemingly perfect facades. So before we get into chatting about Jill is not happy, I want to talk about two things. I did not know about you and I feel like I didn't do my research. Tell me if I'm wrong but in your former life were you a reporter at a newspaper?
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Emily
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
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Ashley
Can you talk about that?
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Emily
Of course, yeah. So I, yeah, I've had a lot of former lives actually it turns out like every for a long time I was saying that novel writing was my second act. And then someone just recently said, aren't you in like your sixth act? I'm like, yeah, I guess that's probably true. So, yes. So my first job out of school was with. I was an intern at Dallas magazine in Dallas because I wanted to move to California. Back then I went to Vanderbilt and so I was in Nashville. But the furthest anybody would go with me was Dallas. Made it to Dallas. So anyway, I didn't have air conditioning in my car and I didn't have Enough big shoulder pads, suits. So I had to leave. So I went back to Columbus, where I was from, and I got my first job as a reporter for business newspaper called Business First. And then I started freelancing as well. And I freelanced for Columbus Monthly, the city magazine. And so I did that for a lot of years and wrote features. I love writing magazine articles. And then I kind of pivoted into the advertising world, but I always kept magazines on the side. So like when we got married, I submitted a article to Prize magazine, you know, just kind of like that. And I was a freelancer for Midwest Living. So I got to do a lot of like lifestyle things. And then eventually at one point I became the gossip columnist of central Ohio. So I had my own column called Connections. And it went out to all the, in the like suburban papers of the big paper. So that was fun too.
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Ashley
I, I read a little bit about that and I thought, I want to go find some of those old columns and read them.
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Emily
Me too. I know it would be really fun too because of course I, I was mostly highlighting charity work and what people were doing that was good. But every once in a while I could get a little zinger in. It was fun.
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Ashley
Did you find, when you were working as a reporter and doing these columns, was it the writing you were drawn to or the storytelling or. Obviously a mixture of both.
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Emily
I think a mixture of both. I love magazines writing specifically because it's long format and you have a chance to really tell a story. And probably my favorite magazine article I ever had the opportunity to write was when Governor Celeste, who was a governor at the time in Ohio, was the first governor to pardon women who had been convicted of murder when they were actually victims of domestic violence. And so I got to, I know it still gives me the chills. I got to interview seven of the women who were freed because of this. And it was just so powerful because I, you know, obviously they, they had to kill in order to protect themselves and oftentimes the kids. But so I was interviewing murderers for the first time, but you know, it was all self defense. And I also got to interview some prison workers and people that. With people who are convicted of domestic violence or domestic abuse. And the thing that was chilling to me was the similarities in all of their stories of the women's stories. And also when the prison counselor said, yeah, we have very, very bad luck getting them to change. And yeah, it was just a really powerful, you know, so the stories like that where you could actually make a difference and help expose you know something?
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Ashley
Yeah, that part was really great for those people listening. I carousel. I had like a full body response. This is why Emily's gonna be so mad she's not here. Literally. Her dissertation, I'm pretty sure for her PhD or one of the projects she did was that she studied women who kill for self defense. And really it came down to like, if it was in the moment, if you were like currently being hit and you responded, you often got off for self defense. But if you had sustained, you know, 10 years of abuse and finally decided to save yourself by murdering your partner, it. It often wasn't right.
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Emily
And yeah, and there was no, there was no domestic violence even protections or like, you weren't. That wasn't a thing that you were allowed to say, that that was a reason. But I just remember, you know, one woman was a victim of stalking so bad. She. She saw him coming at her like she's getting off work. And once again, he's there, you know, and he's just. He has a gun. And she had to get a gun. And she got him first, but. And then a woman that was asleep in her and she heard the window opening above her and she knew. And she's got two little kids and she knew this time he had told her he's going to kill her. There's no way she's going to have a happy life. There's no way she's going to get. Yeah. So I mean, chilling stories of survival and that they were able to survive and protect themselves and their kids and then they get sent to prison on top of it was. Yeah, I'm glad that that has changed. There's some progress being made in the world.
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Ashley
Yeah, we could. I mean, that's a whole topic for another day. The other thing I learned about you, and I am very passionate about this as well, and I was just, it just made me think that this seems like why you feel like such a warm, inviting person is that you're really heavily involved when you can be in volunteer work and doing a lot for your community. So my question is, if you had unlimited hours and unlimited resources, where would you volunteer? Like, what would your heart be drawn to?
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Emily
I've always been, you know, three things. I've always been very involved in empowering women and girls because I think there's a lot of room for that and we still need to work on that. Also food insecurity. I really, I'm a big fan and have been involved a lot with food banks. I think it's a very direct Way to help, because it's like surplus food that needs to get to people that need it. And I found within the whole specter of the homeless crisis and issue, if we can focus on food security, we all can pretty much find a common ground there. And the fact that there are children still in the States going hungry and going to bed hungry is just crazy to me. And then on top of that, the arts. Because the arts make a community strong. And, you know, whether it's art museum or. I did for a while, I was volunteering with Boys and Girls Club in the art department and just, like, working with little kids and, you know, I did. The arts are part of my passion.
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Ashley
Yeah. Well, thank you for doing that. Not everybody, I think, sees the value in volunteer work until they do it. And it's hard once you do it to stop doing it. Once you give back, it gives you back tenfold.
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Emily
Tenfold. I know, and that's why I tell everybody. I'm actually. I was on the California Volunteer Commission, which was kind of an amazing appointment. And the entire goal of that commission was just to get everyone in California to volunteer one hour a week in their community. Because we all know when you get involved, you get so much back and return. Return. And it also builds community. Right. If you are out there volunteering and stepping into other people's shoes and connecting your community stronger and you. And. Yeah, and you get all the rewards, too.
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Ashley
Absolutely. It's so funny. You have this warm, giving, compassionate heart, and then you write these absolutely horrible, scary, terrifying bubbles. Yeah.
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Emily
It's strange, isn't it? It's strange, but I think it's a way to process world, you know, It's a way to. It's kind of cathartic to get it out there.
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Ashley
I think it's why we read them. I think it's so far. Think. Thank goodness. It's so far from my reality that it's just a true escape, right?
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Emily
I think so. I mean, I. This book is a marriage thriller, and I like marriage thrillers because I do think, like, people read it who are married and they're like, oh, well, at least I'm not them. Like, we. We might not get along all the time, but at least I'm not them. So. Yeah.
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Ashley
So a couple things, and then we'll get right into the book. But as someone who married my college sweetheart, so Ben meant when I was a junior, he was a freshman, So I was 19, he was 18. I did love the backstory in this book of how they met. And it felt so I don't know. You just did such a great job. It felt so authentic. And I felt like I was back in college, meeting Ben. I didn't intentionally be like, that's who I'm going to marry. But that backstory really, really made us feel like we knew who they were.
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Emily
I'm glad. And, yeah, I. I did kind of base it on my freshman year roommate. She had a list on the wall of guys that she thought were cute and that she wanted to marry. I'm like, no, you can't. You can't do that. And she would sit there with binoculars and look down on the quad. I'm like, oh, no. For a new number of reasons, I ended up with a cot in somebody else's room. But I'm. But that kind of started. And I do. I have several friends who married their college sweethearts. And yeah, it's a great. It's a great story that falling in love back then.
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Ashley
My. My husband's story goes, he was sitting out on a couch at our. We went to a small liberal arts college and he was sitting on a couch with his friend Adam. And I came walking by. I used to wear these really baggy overalls, and I kind of had a bob at the time. And I came walking by and he goes, I'm going to marry that girl.
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Emily
No way.
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Ashley
Yeah. And it's probably not true. He probably just told me that, so then I would marry him. But still, I'm like, it's a cute. It's a cute. Meet cute to this day, Cute.
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Emily
Me cute. It's adorable. I'd stick with that story always.
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Ashley
Okay, so a quick summary, because our readers read books voraciously that Joe and Jack, once college sweethearts, appear to have a picture perfect Southern California life. They have wealth, popularity, and they're now empty nesters as Maggie, their daughter, heads to college. But their marriage is unraveling, held together by a very, very darker secret than I could have imagined from their past. So the first thing I kind of wanted to talk about was this glimpse into wealth and kind of not necessarily the 1%, but wealth. And I just love the country club and how she would steal things. So can you talk about if that's something you have seen or experienced or just through research, you kind of learned about this community.
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Emily
The country club community or the stealing?
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Ashley
Well, both.
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Emily
Yeah. You know, it's funny, I am a product of the suburbs and, you know, multiple different suburbs and oftentimes that came with a club, a country club attached to it. So, yes. So I'm very familiar with that kind of setup and situation, and it's kind of the hub of the community. And in this case, that's where Jack ends up wanting to work. And he's kind of trying to. He actually thinks he's of himself as kind of a community servant, and he also, you know, is mayor for a time. And so the country club's like, a great setting for him to, like, kind of, you know, be. Be with people in the community. For Jill, she's like, oh, this is just, you know, she. It's a. It's a situation where it's rife with opportunities for her to have some fun. Yeah.
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Ashley
I did. Her character did feel like she liked it for the opportunity of taking advantage of it, but she was kind of disgusted by the community, as. As a whole. Yes.
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Emily
She didn't grow up that way, and she. But she appreciates the notion that. That a country club will pull together people who have too much, and she can take a little bit of it without getting. Without getting caught sometimes. Yeah.
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Ashley
So one of the overarching themes of this book is just the ties that bind, and they have this secret that Jill is able to hold over Jack's head. Was that how you started the book? Did you know that was going to be the piece, or did you build from a different place?
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Emily
Yeah, actually, this one came, as they often do. I'm a pantser, so I write by the seat of my pants. So I never really know where the story is going necessarily. I knew a Jill popped into my head, and my husband and I had done a trip during the pandemic to the Utah national parks, and I fell in love with Bryce Canyon. I just thought it was the most stunning, stunning scenery. And we got there, and it was like sunset time. And you look from the rim of the canyon, you look down, and you see all these sandstone sculptures, you know, structures called hoodoos. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, this is so creepy. And also beautiful. And my husband's like, you're gonna kill somebody here. Right? I'm like, I probably. Yeah, I probably will have to. So that. So the setting kind of took shape, and Jill kind of took shape. And I knew from the beginning that her husband had to be called Jack and that they were high school sweetheart or college sweetheart. So that kind of started it, and. But I didn't know. I really didn't know anything else about Jill's personality, except that they did have secrets to hide. And the original title was. Because I usually have a title, too, when I Start writing was marital privilege, which is based on that legal. Oh.
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Ashley
Oh, yeah, don't take my question. I have a question about that later. I mean, Jill is not Happy as the perfect title, I think, because she's so not happy. And yeah, I just loved it. This book did feel like it had. It was a domestic thriller, but it had a little bit more. Horror is not the right word, but some darkness to it with the setting.
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Emily
I agree. I'm going back to school and getting my MFA and one of my professors is a horror writer. So I asked him, I said, I mean, Jill's a little horrible and she kind of leans a little. She's by far the darkest character I've ever written. And so he said, yeah, do you have a ghost? And I'm like, nope, no ghosts. Well, then it's not really horror unless you have a ghost. I'm like, okay, so I guess it's just horrible. She's just horrible. Not horror. That's. That was his distinction, so I'm going with that. But, but I agree, like, she's, she's dark.
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Ashley
Yeah. Well, and just the setting too, like the canyons and the resort where they were staying just felt dark and scary. And even just, you know, when he woke up and she was gone, I'm like, that's something you would read in like a truly scary, scary book.
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Emily
Right? And she, and she is taunting him through the book. And the, the scene that scared me the most, I think one of the scariest scenes was when he got lost when they were on their hike. And by the time he gets back to the lodge, which is kind of scary, I mean, it's beautiful and old fashioned and like original, but it's kind of spooky. And he's sitting on the deck, or she's sitting on the deck, a light like a candle. And he just sees her off in the distance. And you just know something terrible is going to happen right then.
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Ashley
And it just felt scary. I'm like, it feels like they are the only two people in this lodge that reminds me of something out of the Shining or it just felt so remote and cold and scary.
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Emily
I agree. It was. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Like thinking about it right now, in my imagination, I'm like, oh, gosh. And it was kind of scary when we stayed there too, because it was during the pandemic and so it was very, you know, everything was very limited.
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Ashley
Yeah. So when you, as you were working through what their secret would be, you don't have to say any other ideas that you came up with. But how did you end up with the hit and run? Because that was so personal and so.
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Emily
Oh.
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Ashley
I mean, that broke my heart.
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Emily
Yeah. And I did. I didn't know that that would be the secret, but I did know pretty early on, because I guess in there, in her mind's eye, when you have a person who's decided, you know, in college, that that's going to be my man, like Jack is going to be my guy for the rest of time, anybody that comes in between her and that dream is going to face the consequences. And so I kind of imagined him having friends that maybe felt like she was coming on hot or maybe he should, like, take it a little slower and. Yeah, that. And so having. Having that happen to a friend is. Yeah, I kind of had to happen.
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Ashley
Yeah. The different points of views and the flashbacks just made it. I mean, Emily and I would be reading it together, and we'd be like, wait. And, like, turn back the pages. Because it just. I don't know. The things as we kept reading it, the ways Jill hurt people were so intentional. And so. I don't know, this book, we were like, she's just so mean to everybody.
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Emily
Well, you know what? She wouldn't have to be if everyone just did what she said. Right. So it's really like Jill is not happy when Jack is not with her. She's very happy and very content as long as they can be together. And she can imagine this life that she's created in her mind that doesn't really exist, but this perfect marriage with a perfect husband. But if anything strays from that, she's just. She's not happy. And she's gonna go after you. Yeah.
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Ashley
One of the pieces of this book I loved that I haven't seen talked about much is often when we read books, daughters and mothers have these very special relationships. But in this book, it was Maggie and Jack. And it was just such a fascinating relationship between the two of them. And how she was like, no, you have to leave her. Can you talk just a little bit about that? Because as a daddy's girl myself, I loved it.
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Emily
Yeah. I mean, to me, that was. That's, like, Jack's best characteristic is his relation that he's created with his daughter Maggie. And he will do anything to protect Maggie and has pretty much, you know, all growing up. And Maggie's aware that her mom's a little different and that she just needs to steer clear. So she had the benefit of a dad who was truly on her side growing up, which I think means A lot. Yeah. And when you have that special relationship with fathers and daughters. You're right. I don't know that it's written about that often.
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Ashley
It's not. I mean, we. Emily and I talked about it. We really found it to be something we hadn't read.
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Emily
Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah. Yeah. So that. That's his. Definitely his number one redeeming quality is his relationship with Maggie.
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Ashley
And you already started to talk about this a bit. I have my book bookmarked on page 132, which is where it talks about the marital privilege, and it says the only slight problem is the crime fraud exception. I've come to realize just. Can you talk about marital privilege for some of our listeners who might not know what it is?
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Emily
Yeah, it was interesting. And I can't remember. I was talking to somebody who's an attorney, and that also, like, kind of sparked some of the ideas in the book. But the notion is. And it's a legal, I guess, law. I don't know what it's called, but it's. So you have a protection as long as you're married. Married people cannot be compelled to testify against each other. So let's say that you and your husband share dark secret. As long as you're together, you can't be compelled to testify. So your secret's safe. But if you get divorced, then it's fair game, right?
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Ashley
Yeah, that and you can't. I'm gonna. I have to look this up. There's something about, like, you can't. If it happened before you got married and then you get married, then it's null and void. Right. I'm acting like you're an attorney.
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Emily
Right. And I don't know, like, in my mind, with this book, everything that's happened with the two of them is protected by that. Because if one piece unravels, then the rest of it's going to unravel. I mean, Jack knows that, and Jill knows that. Jill knows. Make sure that Jack knows that. Yeah.
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Ashley
Did the police show up at your door when you were googling jimpsum weed? Is that how it's pronounced?
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Emily
I know. You know, I hadn't used that before as a. But I did myself. Had a hydroponic garden, you know, in our courtyard, where I was growing all kinds of lettuces and stuff. And then I just started thinking, well, shoot, it would be really easy to just grow some really toxic things in there and just harvest them whilst you were harvesting lettuce, for example. So I came up with that because I'm also a big into genealogy, and actually, one of my ancestors came through Jamestown society. Or Jamestown. Sorry, The. The. The. You know, one of the first. Yeah, yeah. Okay. 1624, John Sturtevant came over as a. He was an indentured servant on the ship, and he ended up marrying the ship owner's daughter. So he. He rose up in the world. But Jamestown. Jimson Weed is named after Jamestown because the original settlers in Jamestown didn't realize it was poisonous. So they were kind of the first people to perish from that. We know of. Of Jimson weed.
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Ashley
Yeah. It was such a clever way to kill Erica, right? That was. That's her name.
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Emily
Yeah.
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Ashley
Yeah. Just because she. Jill had practiced with it. Like, how much do I need to give her? How much made Jack just get a little bit. And it's like, who is crazy enough to practice with something that might kill you?
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Emily
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, you got to get it right. I mean, if you're going to be a murderer, you need to know what you're doing, so definitely need to research. And. Yeah, you're right. I mean, my whole browser history is just horrific. So, yeah, I don't know what would happen, but definitely she had to get it right. And you got to know how to carry it around and transport. You know, it's just a whole situation.
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Ashley
Two more quick things, and then I will let you go. But the use of the notebook to hold these secrets and to let Jack know she had something that could get him in trouble. How did you come up with that?
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Emily
Yeah, you know, I just pictured them. The notebook popped in pretty early on as they're driving out to the Utah national parks. And I love road trips when it's married couples in, you know, who aren't getting along because you're sitting side by side. Right. And you're in a car, and you're pretty much trapped. So that's when I. I just imagined her, like, Jack's driving, and he's all stressed out and want to be on this road trip at all. And then Jill just pulls out her notebook and starts writing down her side of whatever story she's telling about anything that's happened between them. She's got a spin on it. And I also pictured at the same time, and I have one over there. It's like a pink pin with a puff on it. So when he got really mad, she would just, like, tickle him under the chin, just push him over the edge. So, yeah, that was fun. And the whole notion of her writing the story of us when it's only coming from her perspective is kind of part of the whole part of her. I guess she's just outsmarts him a lot of times.
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Ashley
Well, and there were times where. I don't know if it's diabolical, but I found myself having to say, if Jill was a male character, would I ever be rooting for her? Because there were times I was rooting for her and I thought, no, I don't think that's how I'm supposed to feel.
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Emily
You know, I don't mind. Jill does not mind if you root for her because, you know, she's. She's just trying to protect what's hers, that's all. Like, if, you know, and Erica was an interloper into their relationship. So that's wrong. So, you know, there's things that, you know, Jill just has a very clear perspective. Like, she's really, in her mind, a 1950s housewife. Like when she wrote her book. Have I showed you this? No, I gotta send you one of these. So Jill was getting angry because I was doing interviews, and she's like, well, I have my tips. Nobody's asking. So all of a sudden, she was popping. Her voice was popping into these interviews like. Like, I don't know, all over the place. And so she created 10 tips for a Perfect Marriage. And it's, you know, her. Her kind of twist on what you need to do. And she says, you know, keep your secrets together. That's number one. Maintain a picture perfect appearance, stay close to his workplace, keep his favorite meals ready, plan regular trips together, you know, befriend the right people, document everything, these kind of things. And then at the end, she has a whole recipe book.
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Ashley
Of course.
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Emily
Of course. And so she has things like, Sleep Tight pot roast.
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Ashley
You know, you have to send me one of those in February.
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Emily
Death to Us, Part pie. You know, those kind of things. And her famous Forever Year's arugula salad, which is kind of prevalent in the book, and it's on my website, but I will also bring a bunch to the retreat.
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Ashley
So have you seen. Just one question after this one, but have you seen people comparing the ending of your book to the ending of George Orwell's 1984?
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Emily
Yes, I know, which is brilliant. But that's like. I mean, that's like, up here, it's just Jack and Jill and I.
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Ashley
But when I read it. So if. If you don't know, just. Or if you don't want to know, what happens at the end of 1984? Squirrel passes but at the end, the last line signifies Winston's complete submission to the party's authority and the loss of his individuality, which, in the end, is what happens to Jack.
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Emily
It is. I know. And, I mean, I obviously didn't think that way when I was writing that, but it's actually true. I know. Wow. I know. That was so cool. I mean, I don't know who first started saying that, but I'm like, really? Okay, I'll take.
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Ashley
Keep saying it.
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Emily
Yeah. Everyone, please say that from now on. And I would never say that in an interview. Well, I was thinking of that in Classic. The Classic American Story, but, yeah.
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Ashley
Wow. Yeah. Did Jack and Jill have a future, as in a sequel?
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Emily
You know, never say never. Because I always thought Best Day Ever would have a sequel. And then the publisher's like. And then, you know, when it was probably eight, seven years later, another publisher is like, we'd love to do a sequel with Best. So, you know, never say never. Jill definitely would like sequels. She has so much more to say and, you know, lessons to be taught and marriages to perfect, all of that. Yeah.
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Ashley
And if you're allowed, can you share with us what's next? And is there a cover for it? Because I saw something.
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Emily
I know. And we haven't done the COVID reveal yet, but I guess it's kind of out there. But it is. It's called We Were Never Friends, and it is coming February 3rd, so it'll be right before the retreat. Right.
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Ashley
I wonder if the COVID I saw is because you and I talked and there wasn't a cover yet, and then I saw one, and if it's the COVID I won't give any spoilers, but maybe. Is it a little bit pink?
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Emily
It is pink, yes.
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Ashley
So good.
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Emily
It's so good. It's so good. But they're like, the COVID Even if you see it online, do not talk. I mean, don't show it to anybody, because it's a no cover reveal yet. I'm like, but it's right there. Like. But anyway, yeah, I love it. It's so. It's gorgeous. It's really gorgeous.
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Ashley
Can you tell us at all about the book or not yet?
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Emily
Sure. Yeah. It is set in Palm Springs, which is fun because it's a setting I haven't used yet, but I've been going there a lot recently, and at this old. One of the old homes in the movie Colony. So it's like Spanish Revival, and I imagine, like, Gloria Swanson was there or, you know, like, just. Right. So it's house like that, but it had turned into. Well, okay, back to it. So it's a story of sortie sisters who never thought they'd see each other again after what happened senior year in college on their spring break in Palm Springs. But they reunited suddenly because one of their sons is marrying one of their daughters. So now they're all re reuniting in Palm Springs, mostly against their will. And bad things happen.
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Ashley
Oh, I cannot wait. Where is the best place? Can people pre order it already or not yet?
- [28:39]
Emily
Yes, yes, it's out. Like online. Yeah, it's just.
- [28:43]
Ashley
I'll just link all the places. People can pre order it because they want to pre order it. Get it. They'll have like two weeks to read it before retreat, so it'll be good to go.
- [28:52]
Emily
Yeah, and it's perfect colors like by that pool at the Scott if it looks so pretty out there.
- [29:00]
Ashley
Some good photo opportunities. Well, thank you so much for talking with us. If you haven't read, Jill is not happy. Too bad. You listened to this interview and now you know everything that happened.
- [29:11]
Emily
Don't listen. Just go read and then listen.
- [29:14]
Ashley
Yeah, we adore you. We'll read anything you write. And we can't wait to see you in February.
- [29:18]
Emily
Oh, I can't wait to see you guys too. Thank you so much, Ashley.
- [29:24]
Ashley
Thanks for listening. For more content, find us on Patreon at the creepy book club. Happy reading.