Anna Kendrick: Pitch Perfect, Twilight & Relationships

Summary

Call Her Daddy - Episode: Anna Kendrick: Pitch Perfect, Twilight & Relationships

Host: Alex Cooper
Guest: Anna Kendrick
Description: In this episode, Alex Cooper engages in a candid conversation with actress Anna Kendrick, exploring her career highlights, personal growth, and experiences navigating relationships and emotional well-being.

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Introduction

The episode kicks off with Alex Cooper welcoming Anna Kendrick to "Call Her Daddy," expressing excitement about their first-time meeting.

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Early Career and Audition Experiences

Anna shares her early foray into acting, starting auditions at the age of 10 and booking her first role by 12. She recounts the challenges of traveling from Maine to New York City for auditions with her brother, highlighting their resourcefulness in securing accommodations.

Quote (19:00):
Anna Kendrick:
"We found a hotel and my parents called the hotel and faxed a credit card... I washed my underwear in the sink and put on the same outfit. It was a mad dash!"

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Breakthrough with "Pitch Perfect"

Discussing her role in "Pitch Perfect," Anna delves into the unique audition process and the unexpected popularity of her character's audition song, "I'm a Little Teacup." Initially embarrassed, she reflects on the song's surprising climb up the charts and the resulting platinum record.

Quote (32:20):
Alex Cooper:
"Wait, an egg white foam?"
Anna Kendrick:
"Yeah, the key is doing a dry shake in your shaker with the egg white before you add ice."

Anna expresses mixed feelings about the song's success, balancing amusement with a sense of embarrassment.

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Navigating Fame with "Twilight"

Anna discusses her involvement in the "Twilight" series, addressing the intense public scrutiny and the challenges of maintaining personal boundaries amid widespread fame. She emphasizes her ability to stay grounded and focused on her performance without being overwhelmed by the surrounding chaos.

Quote (41:31):
Anna Kendrick:
"Which is also crazy because when I auditioned for that, I was like, yes, I think in the book, she's the blonde, athletic, volleyball captain..."

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Personal Relationships and Overcoming Abuse

Anna opens up about a seven-year emotionally abusive relationship, detailing the complexities of recognizing and leaving the abuse. She shares her struggles with self-blame and the impact on her mental health, highlighting the importance of shedding shame and recognizing red flags without self-judgment.

Quote (45:18):
Anna Kendrick:
"The relationship was seven years, but it was like an overnight switch. It didn't follow that more traditional pattern..."

She underscores the difficulty in identifying abuse, especially when it doesn't conform to stereotypical patterns, and the ongoing journey of healing and self-trust.

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Directing "Woman of the Hour"

Transitioning to her role as a director, Anna discusses her work on the movie "Woman of the Hour," based on a true story about a serial killer from the 1970s. She elaborates on the challenges of directing while acting and how her experiences as a woman in the industry influenced the film's portrayal of vulnerable women facing predatory dangers.

Quote (69:01):
Anna Kendrick:
"So it's based on the true story of a serial killer in the 1970s who went on the show the Dating Game..."

Anna highlights the film's themes of female empowerment and the societal predatory dynamics women often encounter, aiming to shed light on these critical issues through her cinematic work.

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Reflections on Therapy and Mental Health

Both Anna and Alex discuss the role of therapy in overcoming personal trauma. Anna shares her ongoing therapeutic journey, emphasizing the challenges of rebuilding trust in oneself post-abuse and the importance of supportive relationships in the healing process.

Quote (56:32):
Anna Kendrick:
"I did tell you. I was like, well, if you made it through the first five minutes, it's all..."

Their conversation highlights the complexities of mental health recovery and the societal pressures that often complicate personal healing.

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Dating and Relationships Today

In a lighthearted segment, Anna humorously addresses her current single status and cautious approach to dating after her traumatic experiences. She outlines her criteria for future relationships, emphasizing the importance of mutual therapy participation as a foundation for healthy connections.

Quote (80:54):
Anna Kendrick:
"I'm never getting involved with a man... unless you are in or have been in therapy."

Anna underscores her commitment to fostering relationships built on understanding and emotional health, reflecting her growth and resilience.

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Conclusion

The episode wraps up with mutual appreciation between Alex Cooper and Anna Kendrick. Anna's openness about her personal struggles and professional achievements provides listeners with a relatable and inspiring narrative of overcoming adversity while maintaining a successful career.

Quote (87:39):
Alex Cooper:
"Anna, thank you so much for coming on Call Her Daddy. This was so fun. You're amazing."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Audition Challenges:
  Anna Kendrick (19:00):
  "We found a hotel and my parents called the hotel and faxed a credit card... I washed my underwear in the sink and put on the same outfit. It was a mad dash!"

• "Pitch Perfect" Success:
  Anna Kendrick (32:20):
  "Yeah, the key is doing a dry shake in your shaker with the egg white before you add ice."

• Emotional Abuse Reflection:
  Anna Kendrick (45:18):
  "The relationship was seven years, but it was like an overnight switch. It didn't follow that more traditional pattern..."

• Directing Insight:
  Anna Kendrick (69:01):
  "So it's based on the true story of a serial killer in the 1970s who went on the show the Dating Game..."

• Therapy and Healing:
  Anna Kendrick (56:32):
  "I did tell you. I was like, well, if you made it through the first five minutes, it's all..."

• Dating Criteria:
  Anna Kendrick (80:54):
  "I'm never getting involved with a man... unless you are in or have been in therapy."

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This episode offers a deep dive into Anna Kendrick's multifaceted life, balancing her on-screen successes with personal vulnerabilities. Her honesty and resilience serve as an empowering message for listeners navigating their own challenges.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Hi.

[A]

I'm so happy we're doing this.

[B]

Me, too.

[A]

We've never met.

[B]

Wait, is it tacky? Should I get rid of my phone.

[A]

Only you can put on silent?

[B]

Yeah, I think it's not tacky. Whatever. But no, I'll just get it out of the.

[A]

Okay. Okay.

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

Just in case you get like, an important call.

[B]

No.

[A]

Who would be calling you?

[B]

No one.

[A]

No one. Are you a big texter?

[B]

Oh, yeah. I'm always like, if you need to get a hold of me, like, you. You're. You're gonna have to text me. You're not. If you want an email back, you're gonna have to wait, like, two weeks. You might as well send me a postcard in the mail.

[A]

I'm so bad on my email. Are you one of those people, though, that has, like, a thousand plus emails, or are you, like, deleting?

[B]

I think it was. You know that. Okay, so you know that this is not interesting, but you know that period between Christmas and New Year's where you're like, what do what. Where are we? And, like, time has no meaning. I was like, I'm gonna clean out my email inbox. Because I did have one of those, because it Was like, well, what else are we doing? Right? And I am one of those people, and I hate that about me, that I'm one of those people that has, like, 2,000.

[A]

I have the same thing. And if anyone calls humiliating, I immediately don't answer.

[B]

Well, I'm like, did someone die? This is bad news. This is terrible news.

[A]

I don't like confrontation.

[B]

No. I don't like communication. People I don't know. No, that's not true. Mostly. But, yeah, no, yeah, you have to text me.

[A]

Okay. Obviously being an actress now. Obviously director. But what is your day off? Like, what are you up to when you're not working?

[B]

I'm trying to get mint to grow in my garden. I'm trying to really, like, be a homemaker. Not a homemaker. That's not what I mean. I mean, I'm trying to, like, do something physical and tangible that I can go like, wow. And I grew this mint, and now I'm putting it in a cocktail because that's as close as I'm ever going to get to cooking. And I don't know, there's something about, like, devoting your entire life to this very weird thing of, like, pretending to be another person and, you know, like, crying on cue in front of a room full of people you met three days ago and whatever that you're like, I don't make anything physical. You know what I mean? So I feel like I'm always trying to find, like, I should really take up knitting or something. I just want to make something that I can hold and go, like, I made this.

[A]

Okay. To give you a little bit more credit. You are making something that, I mean, like.

[B]

I mean, it's not, like, it's not real, but there is just something, like, fleeting about it or, I don't know.

[A]

Are you having an accidental crisis right now?

[B]

Constantly.

[A]

This whole episode is us just trying to figure out, like, what is the meaning of being an actor in life? No, but I get what you're saying. You're like, I want something tangible, AKA mint. It's a little odd that mint is the one thing in your garden.

[B]

It goes in a lot of cocktails.

[A]

Are you making good cocktails?

[B]

I'm trying, yeah. Yeah. When I moved, I was like, I wanna be able to, like, have people over and be able to. And be able to offer them a refreshment. But, like, I'm never gonna cook. That's never gonna happen.

[A]

Okay, pretend I come over. What are you making me for a drink?

[B]

Well, do you have, like, a specific.

[A]

I like tequila. And vodka. So I'm kind of like, I can go either way. I like a Moscow Mule. I like a Margarita.

[B]

Moscow Mules are super, super easy, so we love that. But there's like, a watermelon vodka cocktail that I like. Oh. I also feel like people tend to come over and say that they drink anything but gin. But gin makes great cocktails. Like, drinking gin straight is for crazy people. I don't know what that's about. That's right. But it makes really great cocktails, especially if you want to serve something up. And also if you want to commit to doing an egg white foam, it gets. It's really easy. And people are, like, absolutely blown away that you've created something.

[A]

I'm blown away already. Wait, an egg white foam?

[B]

Yeah. The key is doing a dry shake in your shaker with the egg white before you add ice. And then it will really. And then you add all the other ingredients and then add ice, and then it will actually stay foamy and just put a little sprig of lavender or something on top. And people are like, oh, my God. How did you do this? Me?

[A]

I'm the dumb bitch. That's like, whoa.

[B]

Well, then that's what I would make for you. So that. So that you would be impressive.

[A]

Yeah, that's okay. That's good to know. What is one thing you can't leave the house without?

[B]

Oh, God. Probably chapstick. Like, I'm one of those people that I have, like, a. I have, like, a drawer full of chapsticks and.

[A]

Yeah, same.

[B]

Yeah. And I like all the different flavors and the different.

[A]

Oh, yeah. What's your go to?

[B]

I really like the Burt's. There's, like, a pomegranate one.

[A]

Are you fucking with me?

[B]

What?

[A]

No. You. You're fucking with me.

[B]

No. What? People are laughing. What's happening?

[A]

No, you fucking talk to someone. Are you doing a bitch all my.

[B]

Life on my dad's soul? No. Absolutely. Wait, what is happening? Anna, you are not about to do that to me right now.

[A]

You don't understand.

[B]

That's sick.

[A]

No, you don't get it.

[B]

I might have it in my fanny pack. I'm not joking.

[A]

You brought a fanny pack?

[B]

You know what? I'm doing a lot right now. Don't make fun of my fanny pack.

[A]

Hold on. First of all, that's it.

[B]

Now I feel like you're fucking with me. No, that's crazy.

[A]

Okay. I have a. I feel like you just.

[B]

I feel like you're, like, the Mentalist. Like you're criss. Angel. And you're like, you mean this pomegranate?

[A]

Whichever one. You said. You're like, rhode lipstick. I'm like, boom.

[B]

Because I also like the sweet violet. But I was like, well, that's not really. I guess that's a tinted lip balm. I don't know. That's something else. So I was like, pomegranate.

[A]

I like the pomegranate, too. Cause it gives you that a little bit of a tint.

[B]

The tiniest hint. Yeah, I. What's happening?

[A]

We. Anna, I'm not kidding you. I thought you were doing a bit.

[B]

No.

[A]

Where you were, like, fucking with me.

[B]

Wait, have you, like, talked? Am I an idiot? Have you.

[A]

No, no. Everyone that, like, really, really knows me, like, you know the Arthur meme where he's like, got the fifth?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I always have this in and anywhere you look. Like, any interview I'm doing, I have it somewhere in my body. And I have an entire bowl in my house and every single sweatpants.

[B]

You have a bowl?

[A]

I have a bowl in my house of all the pomegranate next to my bath. And I just pick one up every day and I open a new one and I use it until I lose it, and then I go back. I love it. This is weird.

[B]

I don't like it. Creepy.

[A]

It's really creepy. But I think the reason I love chapstick so much is because I have this feeling. It's like the ick of myself is if I don't have my lips somewhat moisturized, I feel like that is goes and is, like, almost contingent with having bad breath. Like, I feel like when you see someone with chapped lips, you're like, they must have bad breath.

[B]

Ooh. Yeah.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

No, I think that. Yeah, I haven't thought about it, but, like, subconsciously. Yeah. I'm just going to lean away.

[A]

Okay. So you're a chapstick girl.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Good to know. So you probably have good breath. Haven't gotten close enough to you today, but we'll see later. What is the most high maintenance thing about you?

[B]

Probably my hair. Because I'm like, a secret curly. What? I'm like, a secret, like, Keri Russell and Felicity level curly.

[A]

You have gorgeous hair.

[B]

Well, you know, not really what my hair looks like. Yeah. And I've been like. I haven't, like, I was on, like, a natural, like, you know, curly hair journey. Like, I let my therapist see me with my, like, real hair.

[A]

Oh, that's good.

[B]

Big steps and like, two of my best friends in My house, have, like, come over and I'm like, I should let you know that I have let my hair dry naturally. And I'm in a very vulnerable place. Cause I just. It was one of those things that I always felt, like, messy because I think, like, when I really started to be like, oh, I need to, like, start learning how to, like, blow out my hair and whatever was when, like, pin straight hair, was it. There you go. It was when, like, tiny butts and super straight hair was the height of female attractiveness. So I just felt like, yeah. I don't know, almost like the chapped lips things where I was just constantly, like, doing that, you know, just trying to, like, make my hair be, like, flat. And when it would get, like, frizzy if I would go to a concert or whatever, I would just be, like, freaking out about it, like, humiliated.

[A]

But you're like, I have to leave. I have to leave the concert.

[B]

And I was thinking about, like, all the fucking energy and time that I think we all spend without even thinking about it. About, like, okay, well, okay, if I wash my hair at this time and then how long is it going to take to do my blowout? And if I shave my legs on this, I'll have stubble for that. Well, but like. And just. It's always just running in the background. It's exact. It's exhausting.

[A]

It's so exhausting. And it's so dumb because we notice so much more about ourselves. Like, I bet if you had your curly hair here, I'd be like, oh, I love your curly hair. Wait, what did your therapist say to you? Did you do, like, a big reveal of like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna show you now, was it on zoom or in person?

[B]

It was on zoom. Oh. And I think it. I think it was like, I. I was still like, this is so boring. But I was still, like, self conscious about it. So I pulled back, like, you know, I did like a half up, half down thing. And so she was sort of like, oh, where are you going? Like that it was, you know, that it was like, it just looked different. Cause I usually just like, wear it in, like a bun in a headband.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So I think she thought that I was, like, going somewhere. So I was like, well, that's encouraging. She wasn't like, what happened? But, yeah, I'm still like, you're dealing with it. I'm still on a journey.

[A]

Well, you know what? We're going to support you on that journey. Your hair looks amazing today. But I bet it Would also look amazing if it was curly. Okay. Anyways, you've been making movies for two decades. What do you think you would be doing if you hadn't pursued acting?

[B]

Oh, God. I. God help me. I don't know.

[A]

What.

[B]

I really don't. I mean, I feel like, obviously I didn't get into show business because I hate attention. So there's that piece. Like, when people ask me that question, I feel like I'll usually just say, like, oh, I'd have a bakery or something. But, like, I don't know. I would be so screwed. Like, I actually remember when I was 17, 18, whenever I moved to LA, I was really, really jealous of all my friends that were going to college. Number one, because I felt really insecure about not going to college. I have a whole complex about it. But I was also, you know, on the phone, like, hearing about this exciting new chapter that was sort of laid out for them, and, you know, going to classes and joining a sorority and, you know, having this, like, immediate community. And I was in LA. I was, like, 17 or 18. It's really hard to make friends in LA because of, like, the way the city is laid out, but especially when you don't have a fake ID. And even if I did, I looked about 12, so that wasn't gonna work anyway. And I was just, like, absolutely terrified and really wondering if I was, like, making a huge mistake. And then the weirdest thing was that when everybody entered their sophomore year, I was. I was still, like, just, you know, trying to get in the door and all that. But I then noticed that when I would get on the phone with friends of mine who were in college, they were suddenly, all of them, sophomore year, having a total crisis because freshman year was like, this is so exciting. And there's this new chapter, and, like, my whole life is ahead of me, and I'm making these friends. And in sophomore year, it felt like, okay, I'm back with the same people, and that's great, and I'm picking my classes for this year, and that's great. Um, but what do I want to do with my life? Like, there's no longer just the excitement of, like, oh, my God, frat parties and, you know, the college experience. It's like, oh, I have to figure out what I want.

[A]

So smart.

[B]

And so even though the thing that I wanted felt like a total pipe dream, and, like, what am I doing? This is a disaster. It's so hard to carve out a space for yourself in this industry, but on the other side of it, Holy shit. I did not think, like, what a blessing to just know what I want. And I was like, watching all my friends go, oh, my God, I don't know what to. What I want, what to do.

[A]

It's so interesting, like, because I. I went to college, and I remember from a young age, I, like, knew I wanted to be in Hollywood. Like, I knew I wanted to create. I knew I wanted to do something in this industry. But my mom kept just being like, no, you have to do school. You have to do school, and then you can do it later. And I resented that so much for a while. But hearing, like, the difference, like, again, everyone wants what they don't have. Of, like, being in college, wishing by sophomore year I was like, get me the fuck out of here. I know exactly what I want to do. But you being, like, watching all of the kids in college and you being like, that was a big insecurity of mine. Like, why was it an insecurity, though? Because you were like, I don't have an education technically, of.

[B]

Totally interesting.

[A]

Totally interesting.

[B]

So I think my family really values, like, traditional education, you know, for good reasons, bad reasons, whatever. And so I was, like, the first person to not go to college. And my dad was a teacher and everything, so it was, like, very black sheep behavior to not go to college.

[A]

Were they okay with you not going to college?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I think they knew I was gonna do what I wanted to do, but I think there was always that sense of, like, well, if things maybe don't work out that first year, it's not too late to just, you know. So I think that was always, like, something that they had in mind. But I don't think they were thrilled, which is understandable. But, yeah, I then, like, just worried about, like, oh, my God, I didn't. I didn't go to college. You know, I don't know. It's like, I get it.

[A]

I think it's, like, in a great way. I do think, like, the concept of education now is becoming a little bit more lenient, where people are like, you don't need to go to college to be xyz. And it's interesting because you were right on the right path, but because of, like, societal standards of, like, if you're smart, you go to college. It probably felt so disorienting when you're watching all these people do, like, the natural next step, really, you just skipped a big step, and then you got ahead on your career. But it doesn't mean you can't still feel insecure. About it of, like, in conversation, having to be like, oh, I didn't go to college. Like, I get that. Especially if your family was like, go school, go school. And your dad being a teacher.

[B]

Totally. And I think now that I'm, like, older, it's less of a thing. But, like, early 20s, you know, that's like, part of the conversation is like, oh, where'd you go to college?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I didn't. Like how. Oh, my God. I have to say I didn't. And by that. At that point, like, you know, like, 21, 22, I didn't really have much to show for it yet. You know, like, then some things happened and, you know, it was less of an issue. But, yeah, it's like, oh, I didn't go to college because I wanted to become an actor. And it's like, how's that going? Well, you know, I think I gotta. Someone's. I'm hearing my phone ring. So. Yeah, right.

[A]

They're like, what are you. And you're like, be back soon. Gotta go. I get that. Talking about your family, though, you were raised in Maine, right? Born and raised in Maine. What were you like as a kid?

[B]

I think I was really, like, hyper vigilant. Like, I was really in everybody's business a little bit. But I think that I was even thinking, like, a couple weeks ago about how I do one of my many toxic traits, is I do kind of walk around with, like, a little bit of a. All right, who's trying to fuck me over? You know? And I was like, I don't know. There's a chance that it's like, oh, oh, you're spelling bedtime. You think I don't know. You think I don't know what's happening here? You know, like, just. I don't know, just being real aggressive about, like, how I wanted things done and, like, very opinionated. But I don't. I can't really tell if that comes from childhood or from, like, working in an industry where I'm sure you've experienced. It's like, you agree to certain things, and then it's like, oh, and can we also do this thing that would be really humiliating for you and not, like, pay you any extra money or check with you in advance and ask you in front of a group of people. So if you say no, you'll look like a bitch. You know? So I'm just always like, all right, who in this room is trying to fuck me over?

[A]

That's so interesting that you're like, did that happen when I Was young or is it just like something I can't not remember because you started in the industry at what like 10? You started really getting into it.

[B]

Yeah, I started kind of auditioning for things when I was 10 and I booked my first gig when I was 12, so. But I mean, I wasn't auditioning all the time cause I lived in Maine and so either one of my parents had to drive me to New York City for like a 15 minute audition. And they were like, well, sweetie, we love you, but Jesus. So eventually my brother and I would take a Greyhound bus from Maine to New York. And that's one of the situations where we were in that. I auditioned for this show that I ended up getting and we were in New York and they asked, asked me, are you cool to like stay for a call back tomorrow? And I was always just told like, we'll just say, just say yes, you'll figure it out later. So I was like, absolutely, I will see you tomorrow, no problem. And my brother and I like then are just like, okay, we need to find a hotel in New York City.

[A]

Anna, what are you, 11?

[B]

I'm 12, he's 13 or 14. And so we found a hotel and my parents called the hotel and faxed a credit card and told them like, yes, yes, we'll be along shortly. And they're in Maine. And so I like wash my underwear in the sink and then just like put on this. I mean, luckily there is like a thing where if you get a call back, it's kind of conventional wisdom that you should wear the same thing. So that didn't seem like I was the gross kid with one pair of clothes, same underwear. But so then the next day the same thing happened and again it was like, no problem, I will see you again in the morning. And had to do it again. And then they. Oh, that's right, they did ask me because I was wearing combat boots and they were like, can you? Because the part was for like a little rich girl.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So they were like, could you like wear something like, you know, we just love to see you in more of a kind of Sunday best outfit. And, and specifically someone mentioned my shoes. So I was wearing this like ratty cardigan and like ripped jeans and these like combat boots. But I was like, ah, the solution will be to go to the nearest Payless and find like white church strappy sandals. And so like with like the last $20 that we had, I like bought this pair of sandals, like dress sandals and wore those with my ratty cardigan and Jeans and then like wander. And I think they were just like, oh, for fuck's sake. Yeah, fine, whatever. Great. And then we were on a Greyhound bus home and we had this phone for emergencies and that rang and it was like, hey, you're going to be on Broadway.

[A]

I'm like trying to picture 12 year old me walking around in New York City with my brother who's two years older than me. I'm like, how the hell were you not even scared?

[B]

I think that we just thought it was like such an adventure. And I think we also, like, wanted to be like cool New York City kids so fucking bad, right? That we were just like, yeah, this is so normal. I can't remember if we were like, low key, freaking out or not, but we. I know that. I mean, even when I went there at 17, I did this show at New York City Opera and I remember like riding the subway to work and seeing like, oh my God, you know, you see those gorgeous girls who are like going to American Ballet. Yes. And being like. And like looking at them and being like, we're really doing it. Oh my God, I'm in New York and I'm going to work and I'm going to work on the subway. And it's like not a big deal at all. Which, if you're thinking about it like that, it's a huge fucking deal to you. I had no chill. But that was.

[A]

But that's sweet.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. All of this is happening. I know that you were nominated for a Tony Award when you were just 12. So it came from that.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Okay. What did kids in school think?

[B]

It's weird again. Like, I don't know if you've experienced something like this, but there were several moments where it felt like if I mentioned anything to the kids at school, they don't get me wrong, understandably, sort of thought I was like talking about something else. Like, in the same way that if someone in my school in like middle school or high school had been like, oh, yeah, I'm going to Olympic trials. I would be like, so is there some kind of like local, like, oh, it's the Olympics. You know what I mean? Like, I would just be like, no, you're not. Like, because that just doesn't make sense because we're from Maine. Like, what are you talking about? I remember having like a really little indie film in the Sundance Film Festival when I was 16, 17 and going to Sundance. And I remember one of my close friends, one of my like best friends called me and was like, that's so weird. There's something on the news about. I think it was. I could be getting this mixed up, but I think it was, like, the year that Britney Spears and, like, Fred Durst went to Sundance together. There's something. Maybe I'm. Maybe I'm hallucinating it was some other story. I don't know. But she called me and she was like, yeah, they're at, like, the Sundance Film Festival. And isn't that so weird? Because you were just saying that you're doing something called Sundance, but it's, like, happening at the same time. And I was like, I'm at Sundance. I'm at the Sundance. I'm at the Sundance film. That's why I was so fucking excited about it.

[A]

Right. You're like, I'm here with Britney Spears.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And.

[B]

And, like, she was, like, a close friend. So I think, like, there's an understandable thing that happens where you're just like, yes. Not you.

[A]

They just didn't get it from here. They didn't get it. So you and you didn't talk about it over the top. Ly. Where, like, people would even have a concept of it.

[B]

No, no. I mean, even. I think there was a hope. A luckily very brief window where it was kind of like a teasing situation. So it was like, I knew better than to be, like, running my mouth about it too much because people would.

[A]

Make fun of you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Isn't that so weird? Meanwhile, it's like, everyone wants to be a movie star.

[B]

I don't know. I think just drawing any attention to yourself in middle, like, particularly. This was like, in middle school, like, right after I did the Broadway show. It's like you just want to disappear. Peer. Like, I think people talk about high school as being cutthroat. Middle school was so much scarier to me.

[A]

It was so horrible. I completely agree. High school is actually like, I started to get my shit together. Middle school, I was terrified. Yeah.

[B]

I remember feeling like, just like trying to be like a moving pile of laundry, you know, just wearing, like, the biggest clothes and just trying so fucking hard not to draw any attention to yourself.

[A]

Yes. So you obviously start to become so successful. Like, was your family like, oh, this is normal?

[B]

You know, I found some success. And then I think this is pretty typical for entertainment stuff that, like, the money really follows. Like, several years later. There's that period where you're like, okay, I'm like, low key, a little famous, but I am so fucking broke, it would make you tear up how broke I am. So you're kind of trying to fake it till you make it. But, like, I had brought my family to the Oscars, and, you know, there was a really interesting moment a few years later when I, like, bought my first place and I had them at my place. And it was like, you could feel the energy, particularly for my mom and dad, of like, oh, okay, okay, okay. And it wasn't a mansion, but it was just like, oh, you're gonna be okay. Cause they were obviously, like, very proud. But there's things with, like, awards and reviews where that's great, but it's still really abstract and to just see something solid where it was like, okay, our crazy, you know, daughter who didn't go to college, like, has managed to buy a home. You know, it was like I could feel not so much, like, pride, but that they were actually like, oh, you made it okay.

[A]

Relieved. Okay, yeah, it all worked out. Like, we don't have to worry about now her, like, going back to college and trying to figure out something else completely.

[B]

She's not gonna move in with us and, like, drain us dry.

[A]

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[B]

Well, you know, I think that the most interesting piece or the piece that has certainly followed me around is when I auditioned, they need you to just, like, prove that you could sing. And I was like, well, I know how to do this thing. There's a cup, and there's this song, and I could do that. So it was just because I was like, well, where else am I going to do it? Because I was, like, lame enough and dorky enough to have bothered, like, learning this thing. And so I did it for my audition, and they were like, we should put that in the movie. And originally in the script, like, Becca, my character's audition song was I'm a Little Teacup, which I keep meaning to ask the writer, Kay Cannon, like, was that meant to be, like, funny how. Like, how would that have worked? How was I supposed to play that? I don't know what I was supposed to do.

[A]

Would you have gone?

[B]

Was I supposed to do, like, a Christina Aguilera version of I'm a Little Teacup? Or was it supposed to be like, like, oh, I like, resent that I have to do this, and, you know, but I sound fine?

[A]

So how do you think you would have done it?

[B]

I guess, like, that. I mean, I would have been relying on somebody to tell me, like, what the vibe was supposed to be, right? But luckily, I didn't have to figure that out. So they were like, well, let's do that for Becca's audition? And I was like, great. I'm making use of a useless skill. And then people, when they saw the movie, like, would ask about it and stuff. And so then the studio was like, we should release this as a single. And I was like, what are you fucking stupid? This is a single. That's so embarrassing. I'm so embarrassed for us. So they had me, like, go into the studio for, like, 20 minutes, a hit that was made in 20 minutes, and just, like, sing the rest of the song. And I was, like, in there with a stool and a cup, doing the cup in this weird studio. And then they were like, what if we did A music video. And again, I was like, are we. What's going on? This is so. You guys, I'm so embarrassed for you. Like, I just was like, there's no way anybody would care about this. Like, I. Whatever. And so we like, make this music video and then it like. Which is, by the way, why am I saying this phrase? Why is this phrase coming out of my mouth? It started climbing the charts. Like, why is this a part of my story and my life? Like, I was just like, what's. What is fucking happening? This is so out of the realm of anything that's supposed to be happening. And I always thought, like. Cause I was in the middle of making this, like, indie film and I'd be getting like, texts from people going, like, it just like got into the top 10 of like, billboards top 100. And I was like, in the basement of some church, like, shooting this tiny little indie film. Meanwhile, I think it was like. I think it was. Speaking of the times, Miley Cyrus and Macklemore was like, also in the top 10. And so I always just think, like, they must have been like, what the fuck is this shit?

[A]

Literally, what?

[B]

Like, who is this girl? What is this? How dare you. I'm out here like, busting my ass on Good Morning America, putting on a live performance, and this, this like, freak show, whatever this fucking is, is in the top 10. How dare I?

[A]

What on earth, Anna?

[B]

I would hate me. I would hate me.

[A]

Did you ever learn to be like, damn, that shit's good.

[B]

They did send me a platinum record and that was pretty bomb. That was.

[A]

Bye, bitch. That's literally perfect. Like, I guess it was kind of.

[B]

Oh, I guess when I got my Fondant record, though.

[A]

That's insane that you're like, this is so fucking embarrassing, you guys. And meanwhile, it's like the entire world learned this shit. I remember trying to learn it, Anna. Okay.

[B]

No, you didn't.

[A]

Oh, I tried. Of course, everyone.

[B]

Oh, I tried your face.

[A]

I couldn't really do it. You shot your face. You fucking invented it. It's so crazy that you brought that to the movie. And they were like, yes, okay. I just realized also while you were talking, which is fun, is I have had on you, Britney, Snow, Adam Devine, and I have had on Rebel.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

I have almost had like the entire cast.

[B]

Yeah, you're like collecting all the Pokemon.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of having a good time. How would you describe your guys friendship on that cast?

[B]

Honestly, I use this word in the truest sense of like, we are a family, like, truly in the sense of like, we didn't choose each other. Like, we didn't ask to be in each other's lives in this way. And we're so bonded. And it does feel. There's something really. Not to be lame, there's something really magic about it because so often, like, you'll do a big job and there'll be like one or two people maybe that you keep in touch with and they're the people that are like the most similar to you and we're all really, really different. And after like three movies, you're like, I think this is like a not getting rid of each other kind of situation.

[A]

I think the entire world is happy. It's a not getting rid of each other situation.

[B]

And also I think that I'm, I'm very avoidant. So like actually like cracking that shell and like being in my life, like, it takes some persistence.

[A]

It's a big deal.

[B]

Like, Britney is always joking that her, she's like, well, your phone is all, all white or whatever. The, you know, the blue text. Yeah, you get it. You get it. Because she's like always texting me and just being like, I know you're not going to reply, but, you know, I think that I'm kind of like, certainly the curmudgeon of the group. But it is like almost like everybody has a role and you know, like, you know, Britney kind of like brings the party and I bring the grumpiness, I guess. I don't know. But I am like, it's really interesting because even the girls that are not like one of the closest girls, like when they're going through something, I get the call and it's, and it's, it's, it makes me feel so good because I do feel like that's kind of my role in the group is like, if you're in jail, my shoes are on. We're getting you out tonight. I don't know how, but we're going to figure it out.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

Whereas if you need help with party invitations, I'm going to freeze up and be like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what to do. I don't know. I have to leave the room right now.

[A]

Call Britney.

[B]

Yeah, call Britney. Please call Britney.

[A]

It's so fun to know that you and Britney Snow are so close because, I don't know, it sets something right in the world. I like that you guys are friends. I think it also is nice because obviously as like consumers we know that sometimes on movie sets, like, people don't get along. And there's something oddly satisfying about how amazing those movies are. And knowing you guys are so close, like, it's just a fun thing for fans.

[B]

It makes me really happy. I saw some of the girls from the movie, the original the Craft, having dinner once, and I was like, you guys are friends in real life.

[A]

It makes you happy.

[B]

It made me so fucking happy. So I do. I would be like, oh, I wouldn't think anyone would, like, care, but seeing the Craft girls, I was like, this is so beautiful. It's so much to me.

[A]

So now when people are crying when they see you guys out together, you get it?

[B]

Totally.

[A]

Are we getting a fourth one?

[B]

Oh, I have no idea. I'm always like. I'm always like, rebel is kind of like the steam train of the group.

[A]

Hold on.

[B]

Rebel, like, she's always like, I think we should do it. And I'm like, well, then great. I agree. I'm just here for. I'll just be back up.

[A]

I guess we need it.

[B]

I would love that, because we're all so busy, and I'm so happy that everybody's so busy and successful and doing so much that actually getting, whatever, the 10 of us in a room is impossible. I would love it. So it's usually maybe six of us at a time trying to have a little reunion. So it does feel like the thing that would actually get us all in a room again is the movie. So that's my best reason.

[A]

I will watch. So let us know. Twilight.

[B]

Can you believe? Can you believe? I mean, what? Okay, so someone was just asking me about, like, a while ago, I had, you know, done a silly, funny tweet where I just said, like, holy shit, I just remembered I was in Twilight. And people were like, but you didn't, like, forget. You didn't forget that you were in Twilight? And the answer is truly, truly yes and no. Because obviously, obviously, I didn't forget the experience of making the movies. I didn't, you know, but those movies, like, especially at the time, took on such a life of their own. And, like, they were such a kind of, like, for better or for worse, like a kind of touchstone. Like, such a reference that, you know, everybody would talk about, like, trying to find the next Twilight or whatever. And I would find myself in, like, business conversations talking about, oh, yeah, I've heard that there's a book series that just got optioned, you know, that maybe want to try and make it the next Twilight. And then I would be like, oh, my God, I'm in. Oh, my God, I'm in the movie. Oh, my God. Because I was also so on the. Just on the outside. Had a front row seat, but was just on the outside of the madness of it. And I was really, like, lucky to not be dealing with the Eye of the Storm, really. You know, I think that, like, a lot of the folks that were in the movie, even in the later movies where they are playing, like, as long as you were a supernatural character, if you had one line, you, like, couldn't leave your hotel room, people were crazy. And, you know, people were criticizing, like, oh, but she has green eyes in the book or whatever. And I just didn't have to deal with any of that, so. So on the. It almost feels like I didn't really have to run the gauntlet that some of the other. I mean, most of the other people did. I just had to, like, show up and say dumb, funny shit and just be like, what are you guys talking about? Because they're fucking acting weird. Okay, everybody, really serious. Bye. Like, that was the. That was the gig. It was awesome.

[A]

Jessica. Oh, my fucking God. Jessica being like, what's so great about Bella? Like, I don't get it. Like, what's going on with Bella?

[B]

Which is also crazy because when I auditioned for that, I was like, yeah, I think in the book, she's, like, the blonde, athletic, volleyball captain, popular girl. So I was like, well, great, I'm not getting this job. And the goal then becomes like, well, I hope by just, like, making an impression on the casting director and the director so that maybe they'll remember me for something else.

[A]

Right?

[B]

And so I was like, well, I'm just gonna, like, try to be, like, weird and funny. Cause I don't know. And then they were like, oh, great. Yeah, let's do that. So there I am with, like, my. With my headband. Because, like, in that humid weather, they didn't know what to do with my hair full circle. They were like, it just keeps getting bigger. So. So it was always like, in a headband or pulled back, like, really tight. And, you know, in my, like, ratty little costume, like, you know, five inches shorter than Kristen, going, like. I don't even get what the point is. Meanwhile, she's so stunning in real. Like, you're like, oh, my God, I'm staring into the eyes of, like, a Siberian husky. She's so gorgeous. Like, I mean, she's gorgeous on screen, but, like, in person. Have you met her in person?

[A]

No.

[B]

There's A quality, let me tell you.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Oh, my God. It's breathtaking. And she's obviously very beautiful. And sometimes you meet certain people and you're like, what? How dare you? Right? Why are you doing this to me?

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

So you know, the audacity of me to be like, I don't see it. I don't get it.

[A]

Right? You're like, right, right, right. Were you ever like, I'm being annoying, like. Or you're like, it's fine. It's my role.

[B]

Yeah, I guess it was like, I'm being annoying. Which means, like, you're doing your job. I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing.

[A]

You're doing your job. I'm obsessed with you being like, are they trying to put my hair down? And I'm like, I don't know what to do.

[B]

I know.

[A]

It all comes real circle. Okay, next movie. Alice Darling. This is like, obviously a bigger shift and is a. Basically is about a woman in an emotionally abusive relationship. When you're taking on a more intense role, like, do you hesitate in those moments or do you enjoy those type of moments that are a little bit darker?

[B]

It was. Oh, gosh, that's weird. I'm about to use a phrase that I've been using in reference to directing, but it kind of makes sense. Cause it's a similar thing where it was like, pushing myself off of a cliff and not giving myself the time to go. Is this a good choice? Because it was like, it was really scary and personal and. God, I'm just remembering, like, I remember I didn't tell. I haven't thought about this in a while. I didn't tell anybody in my life. Not my, like, well, this was also kind of covidy, so I wasn't talking to that many people. So again, I'm bringing up my therapist, but I didn't tell my therapist. I didn't tell, like, my closest friends that I was making this movie about emotional abuse. Because I had just gotten out of a relationship that was extremely similar to the movie. And I didn't want anybody to tell me to not do it. Like, I didn't want to get talked out of it. And I knew that there were good reasons for my friends and certainly my therapist to be like, is this the best idea for you, like, right now? So I just kept telling them it's about, like, three friends in a cabin. And, like, it's about, like, their relationships. Which in a way it is.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But yeah, I, like, didn't even when after the movie was wrapped. Whatever. Like, they didn't even know that it was about emotional abuse until, like, the trailer came out. Because I just didn't. I just didn't want somebody to tell me, well, I don't know. Maybe this is the childhood thing of, like, I don't want you to tell me it's bedtime. Like, I need to do this. I'm going to do this.

[A]

Can I ask, like, how long did that abusive relationship that you endured last.

[B]

It was. It didn't follow the traditional pattern, which is kind of yet another reason why I was finding it really difficult to identify it and name it as abusive.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Because I was, like, reading all the articles and going like, this doesn't look like. Some of it looks like how they're describing it, but not completely. And so the relationship was seven years, but it was like an overnight switch. And that went on for about a year. So it didn't follow that more traditional, like, it's like a frog in boiling water thing, where it started slow, it came out of absolutely nowhere, but was built on this foundation of. I had so much love and trust for that person. So I thought it had to be me. Like, I. If one of us is crazy, it must be me. So it was very, very difficult to actually go, no, this. I think this is. I think this is him. I think. I think this is his stuff. Because I turned my life completely upside down trying to fix whatever was wrong with me. And, you know, it didn't help that for a long period of time, our, like, couples therapist, I think, just bought his stuff kind of hook, line and sinker. And I've had several sessions with him in, you know, the last several years where he's apologized to me because I think he realized what was going on, like, toward. Right toward the end. But, yeah, that obviously made everything a lot more complicated.

[A]

We always have to remember, like. Like, therapists are human beings, too. And a lot of times they don't know the inner dynamics. And if you are with a very manipulative person, though, that is good. In crowds, like, they can mask it pretty easily. And you can be kind of painted to be the person that's, like, insane, or you're unreasonable or you're, like, unwilling to make the relationship work. And when you have a licensed person staring at you next to the person that is abusive, because we project so.

[B]

Much authority onto them, even though we kind of know intellectually well they're just people. It's like, I just want. And it was also, I just want someone to tell Me, what's happening? Like, I wasn't even thinking, like, we're gonna go into couples therapy and he's gonna ream you out, and it's gonna. I was just like, will someone just explain to me what's going on? So, yeah, it was full on. But it was also interesting that, like, I always felt like I was trying to stay so calm in couples therapy, because I was, like, in these sessions, he's so able to kind of stay calm in a way that he does not do when we're outside of therapy. And then there was a day again toward the end where I really kind of, like, lost my. And I did think, like, oh, my God, like, what have I done? Like, what have I done? Like, I can't. It's going to be so bad now. Like, what? What did I do?

[A]

What do you mean? What do you mean it's gonna be so bad?

[B]

Like, if things. When I'm trying so hard to, like, appease this person, they're so fucking awful. So how bad is it gonna get now that I've, like, yelled it, you know? And I sent. After that session, I. First of all, weirdly, he was fine, which was very weird, very interesting, because I think he felt, like, maybe a little bit, like, calm because he was like, see? You're fucking crazy. So it was weirdly fine. But I sent the therapist an email being like, I'm so embarrassed. I'm so sorry. Like, I need to control myself or whatever, because I had yelled in this session, and he called me, which he hadn't done before, and was like, no, no, I'm so proud of you. And that's when I knew, like, oh, something has shifted. Like, something's changed. And then, yeah, things ended pretty quickly after that.

[A]

I mean, I appreciate you sharing this just because I have so many women that listen that are like, what are the signs? And, like, I. I appreciate you how you opened the conversation about this topic about, like, it literally changed overnight. And I was reading all the articles being like, is this me? Well, no, that's not me. You try to justify things like, do you mind sharing anything that maybe, like, my listeners could be like, oh, this. This is happening to me too. That, like, maybe doesn't present as, like, this is abusive and toxic, but the undertone is so there.

[B]

God, it's so hard. It's so hard. And I. Well, I don't know. Maybe I'll. Maybe I'll think of something. But it's. This conversation is even, like, really complicated for me. It's like, even talking about it. I can feel like my body temperature growing up because I think that sometimes the conversation around like red flags, like those are important conversations that we should be, we should be talking about it, like thinking about it, looking for them, sharing with each other. And I think that even the most well meaning conversation sometimes about like red flags is, can be a little victim blamey, which is hard because I'm like, well, also I want to know, you know, and share red flags because it does sort of put the onus on you to be able to identify something that by the way, someone is working so hard to make sure you can't identify. Like, I really started thinking about it, like if someone was raised from birth as like a wilderness survivalist and they just dropped you or I mean, I don't know, maybe you have this in your background, but if they dropped you or me in the middle of the woods, I would step into a booby trap within three feet.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Because I don't know what to look for. And it's like, because I didn't spend my life learning how to build or identify traps, like, how is it that we're meant to like, be inside the mind of someone who is working very hard to make sure that you feel very unsteady and are questioning yourself? So it's really, it's really complicated and it's, it's, it's hard for me because there are even times when I talk about my situation where as I'm saying it, I will go, am I making that up? Am I making everything up? Like, I remember having a conversation with my therapist like a year after that relationship where I was constantly asking her to just diagnose me with like an ego syntonic disorder so that I could just fix it and make sure that like, oh, this just won't happen again or something. And there was a point where she was talking about my ex and she started to say something where she was like, well, you know when you're dealing with a wolf in sheep's clothing? And I went, no, no, what if I'm the wolf? Like, what if it was me? Because I think that was the thing that I didn't expect was how totally convinced he was of his own victimhood. Like, I know him well enough in spite of feeling like, well, I didn't know him at all, but I know him well enough to know, like, he's not an actor, he's not a performer. He, you know, not a great liar in a lot of ways. So I was like looking at someone who was actually kind of, like, suffering. And I thought, like, well, if he's being manipulative, I'll know it because, you know, I'll smell the bullshit. Like, I'll smell that this is kind of a performance that he's putting on. But I don't think he was putting on a performance. I think he genuinely believed that I was, like, torturing him. He told me one day I was terrorizing him because I was just crying because I couldn't pretend that things were fine anymore. And I just started crying and he screamed in my face, you're terrorizing me. But it was truly from the place of a person who believed that they were being terrorized. So I don't. I don't know if that would resonate with people, but it does. It's like, even when I would watch these fucking videos, I would read the articles and watch the videos. And when, like, Dr. Ramani, who I love, like, you know, she's. She's doing, like, an impression of a fight where, you know, some abusive piece of shit goes, alex, you're crazy. But that's not how it actually sounds. It's like, it was like sometimes it was so emotional. It was like, anna, I'm begging you. Like, you're ruining everything. You're making. Like, it was so real for him that it was like, am I really. Am I doing something terrible? And I think that, you know, especially with conversations about, like, well, you're always out with your friends and trying to isolate you, those kind of things. Like, I think they're really convinced that you're doing something terrible to them. So, like, the pain place is real. And that can be very, very misleading and convincing.

[A]

I just want to say, the way that you. Everything you just said.

[B]

Yeah. Did any of that make sense?

[A]

100%. It made so much sense. If anything, it's probably one of the best descriptions of it because I really, really appreciate you saying, like, I still am uncovering some of the fucking red flags. Because I'm still even in my head being like, did that even happen? Is it still some of it on me? Like, I think that is a great message to just give to everyone. Listening is like, it is not normal. You should not be like, oh, that's bad behavior. And I recognize that you're being manipulative and gaslighting and blah, blah, blah. Like, when you're with someone that you love for so long and it does turn into an abusive situation, it is so hard to see. And that's why ignorant people that whether they don't have someone that they know or it never happened to them, or like, like, why didn't you just leave? It's so.

[B]

It's so hard.

[A]

It's so much harder than that. Because even you to this day, sitting here, being like, I still. In my head, I'm like, was that real? Like, yeah, it's.

[B]

And even sharing that, I'm like, fuck, should I even say that? Like, there's something like that feels, I think, incorrectly, but feels like, shameful about how am I not more solid in my, like, healing recovery, whatever. How am I still.

[A]

But it's not that, Anna. It's like, like, you are present in your reality today, but when you reflect back on that relationship and that inner dynamic with that person, you are still perplexed by how the person sitting here today was in a situation and how that went. Like, that I think is normal. Like, I think that's what people struggle with. And that's why I'm appreciative of you talking with me about this. Because, like, it is so weird when you're like, I am happy and healthy now, so how can I still be affected by that? I think it would be weird to not be affected by someone that manipulated you in a way, because it distorts your reality completely. And so, like, you sitting here, like, I guess I could ask, like, how have you learned? And I'm sure you're still doing it, like, to trust yourself again.

[B]

Yeah, it's hard. I mean, yeah, I mean, even having this conversation, you know, like, in the. I know we haven't, like, gotten there, but in the movie that I made, like, something small, like, you know, there are all these different women in the film and they all have, like, very different personalities. And that felt important to me because as like, yet another kind of small reason why it feels like, hey, there's no. I wish there was, but there is no way to guarantee protection from someone who is determined to harm you. And that sounds grim, and I guess it is. But surely, like, the least we can do when someone has harmed us, when we come out of, like, a devastating situation, is take off that top layer of shame. Where we go, well, I should have known. I should have seen. I should have been different. I should have been the tough girl. I should have been the sweet girl. I should have done. And it's like, none of that will save you. None of that will save you. And again, like, I almost hate saying that because it's so bleak, but I think I have. I did and still sometimes do so much self shaming around, like, how Did I find myself in that situation? Like, I'm a real asshole. So, like, how did I. How did I not do the thing that I would have told you that I would do, which was immediately be like, throw a scarf over my shoulder and be like, have a nice life, dick. And, like, it's. There's something, like, so vulnerable and kind of humiliating about the fact that, like, I just stayed and I kept thinking, I'll just try to be, I don't know, warmer or better or something. I mean, even when this was the. Like, our schedule was getting worked out to come and record this, it was like the next day I went on social media and I saw a video of you talking about an experience you had where you were like, why did I not just leave? And I was like, girl, you were in a fawn response. And that's the whole woman of the hour. It's all fawn response. It's all just like, what do I have to do to survive? You were doing what you had to do to survive.

[A]

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[B]

Why weren't you just assertive and why weren't you?

[A]

It's not that easy. And it's. And I now want to talk about the movie because you're right. There are so many themes in it that are so brilliantly portraying what we as women go through every day. And then it also, women will be like, yup, I've been there. I've been there. And still to this day, like, I don't know if men completely understand what we have to go through and why we fawn instead of scream, kick, and punch in the face. Let's talk about the movie Woman of the Hour. I. First of all, you were set to, you know, be the lead, Right. And then you also directed it. How did this come to be?

[B]

Yeah, so I actually got the script for Alice Darling and Woman of the Hour. Like, the same, like, month at least, like, I want to say the same week, but it might have been the same month. And, you know, certain movies just come together quickly and certain movies take forever. So I was attached as an actor for, like, two years, and, you know, you're just sort of like, well, I love this script. I love this story. You know, let me know. And. And that happens a lot in the industry. And the other thing that happens is that sometimes something will just be kicking around for a long time, and then out of nowhere, it will be like, hey, we raised the money and we have a start date, so let's try to keep this train on the tracks because otherwise it'll probably disappear again. And so we were suddenly starting the search for a director, and I basically had, like, 48 hours where it was like this voice going, anna, you should pitch yourself. And me going, shut up. Absolutely not. Everyone needs to be quiet. We're not doing that. And it was that same feeling of like, oh, my God, I'm going to push myself off a cliff. And so I pitched myself to direct the movie because I felt like I had become slowly kind of obsessed with the script. And there was a little bit of me, like, where I would give, like, ideas, feedback, whatever, but, you know, it was. There were, you know, producers, cooks in the kitchen, whatever, and I was always a little bit like, well, you know, if it were my movie, I would probably do it like that, but it's not my movie, so whatever. And the idea of taking it and just tweaking it that little bit was really exciting to me. So I pitched myself and I got the job. And then six weeks later, I was in Canada doing, like, hard prep for the movie. And then we. And then we were, like, making the movie, and it really was like, I'm gonna push myself off a cliff, and I guess I will find out on the way down if I packed this parachute correctly, because, like, if it had been six months later, I would have panicked and backed out. I would have been like, you guys are right. We should find someone way more experienced. It'll be great. But I had also, in the last, like, five years before that, started to have the experience of looking around a film set and going, huh?

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Oh, God. I'm the most experienced person here.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Oh, no. I'm the most experienced person here, and I'm an idiot. This is a nightmare. Like, it wasn't like, ooh, hot shit. It was like, oh, no. But you are like, oh, wow. I've been. I've been doing this a long time. So, yeah, it felt like, okay, it's kind of a now or never thing. And I was absolutely terrified, but I was trying to kind of just, like, fake it, right? You're like, I'm a super confident leader. I should be in charge of things. And. And again, like, I don't know about you, but, like, I absolutely overthink things, and I can get paralyzed in perfectionism, all that stuff. And then when, like, my back was against the wall or, like, things were really running behind, and you don't really have a choice but to be running on, like, adrenaline and instinct. There were even things in the edit where, you know, you're looking at, like, the stuff in between takes where I would see myself, like, run into the frame and, like, give the actor a note and, like, adjust a piece of set deck, and I was like, well, that lady seems like she knows what she's doing. Damn. Okay. Like, when I'm in a blind panic and you don't really have a choice, I Was like, she seems like she's an authority figure. How about that?

[A]

I mean, it's an incredible movie and you should be so proud of yourself. I know you are, but like to know that I didn't realize it was that where you're like, should I pitch myself? Should I pitch myself? Thank God you pitched yourself because it's awesome. Like it really is amazing coming from someone that gets so fucking scared from movies like this.

[B]

I know, I know. And I did tell you. I was like, well, if you made it through the first five minutes, it's all. It's like it gets easier from there.

[A]

It gets easier. But before, like for people who haven't watched it yet, the movie is based on an insane true story. Can you give just like a little bit of a, A bite for them to understand what's going on?

[B]

Yeah. So it's based on the true story of a serial killer in the 1970s who went on the show the Dating Game. And it moves around through time. So it's kind of following this like more than a decade long period where he was really operating without consequence because nobody was really looking for him. Which is another interesting. And by interesting I mean enraging aspect of the story. But I play the bachelorette who's on the Dating Game and that some of that footage exists online, but the full episode, like all the footage appears to have been kind of like lost to time. So the screenwriter kind of used that vacuum as this opportunity to. It's almost like a fantasy section of the movie. Except the fantasy is what if a woman stood up for herself? Can you imagine? But it's like, it's interesting because speaking of asserting yourself, it's a really fun section of the movie. It's a really tense movie, but that section is kind of fun. But as the viewer, it's complicated because you know that, that okay, she's been shrinking herself and in a fawn response and she's like standing up for herself, which is so fun to watch. But we know she's getting herself closer and closer to danger. And it's complicated. Like there are times where you go, why don't I just assert myself? And it's like sometimes it's not that simple.

[A]

Women will understand those moments where you stroke the ego or you actually are like so nice in situations that you're so uncomfortable in. Because in your head you're like, the only way I'm getting out of the situation is to be so appeasing and so nice and work it. And then all of a sudden I know I'll be able to get out at some point. But to a normal person that's never been in that situation or isn't a woman is like, we. Why don't they just like, scream and run? That's right. And you're like, first of all, if I tried to scream and run, I'm dead, bitch, so fuck you. Okay. Like, clearly we're not that dumb. I think that was like something very interesting in the movie. Obviously I talked to you earlier before we got out here about like that parking lot scene. Just like struck me because I think every woman, anytime you were in a dark area and you are walking anywhere, your senses go up where you're like, totally, what the is going to happen to me? What the fuck is going to happen to me? Am I going to die? Am I going to get murdered? How do you think this movie, like, what do you think it says about how women are preyed upon in society?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, well, first of all, I just want to say, like, it's so interesting that you use the word like your senses go up. Because even the way that like that scene was kind of the first scene that I could like visualize and I imagined it in kind of mediums and close ups. And then when that thing happens where we've all been there, where you're like, an interaction is perfectly pleasant. And then 10 seconds later you're like, wait, 10 seconds ago everything felt fine. And now like something feels very fucking dangerous. It almost is like your entire, like your hearing, your peripheral vision is just like, okay, where do I see movement? Where do I hear movement? How unsafe am I? And so that's when like the camera goes jumps wide because it's like, oh, that's when you would be aware of like, oh, this parking lot is empty. Empty. Like, there's not a maintenance man, there's not a passing couple. Like, all I can hear is the buzz of the street lights. And it really is like in those moments in your own mind, you're like, oh, I can almost hear like the ringing in my own ears because, like, there's nothing. Fuck, there's nothing.

[A]

That is so interesting stylistically. Like you having the decision making around the camera angles and how different. Not that like we love men and we love male directors, but I'm just like, so curious to know like, how a man would have directed that scene where you're directing it like, so in the presence of your own body and how you would feel in that moment, man.

[B]

And there were times when people were talking about, like, when we were on set, people were talking about me as, like, oh, I'm so glad a woman's directing this. And there were times where I was like, is it making that much of a difference? I can't really tell. And then there were, like. You know, there were. There were a bunch of examples like this, but there was a. There's a moment where, like, the girl in the New York City apartment when she kind of realizes, like, oh, something's wrong. I don't know what's wrong, but something's wrong. And she doesn't even drop her smile, and you can just sort of see it in her eyes. And when we were shooting that, one of my producers was like, should we just do another take where it's just more clear what's happening? And I was like, it will be very clear to women what's happening. Like, I think it will be clear to most men. But I was also like, if there's, like, 20% of men who are like, I don't understand what's happening in this scene, fine.

[A]

Right? That's okay.

[B]

That would be fine. I would much rather like, actually be like, no, this is how you would handle this? Like, you wouldn't let on at all.

[A]

No.

[B]

So interesting. So, yeah, it was like, oh, I wasn't really sure how, like, being a woman director would really show up in the movie. But then, yeah, there were a bunch of things like that where I was like, oh, no, that's not even what the scene's about. Like, what?

[A]

No, I love it so much. And I think, again, the themes are so important for people in society to just, like, grasp onto and understand. And I think this is, like, a very accurate depiction. Obviously heightened. Like, we're not all. Not, like, dealing with, like, a murderer, serial killer.

[B]

You know, there are so many stories that I hear where. I mean, even your story where you're like, why did I. Why didn't I just. Whatever. It's like, you did what you had to do. Are you kidding?

[A]

I know.

[B]

Kidding.

[A]

It's just so weird. Daddy. Gang, we're talking about the Paris episode. The Paris story. If you haven't listened, go listen. But, like, yes, that story. I remember being so even anxious to tell the story online at first because I was like, oh, God, like, everyone's.

[B]

Just gonna say, like, well, girl, what were you thinking? Right?

[A]

Like, why'd you get on a plane? Like, why'd you go? And I'm like, because I thought that he was a normal, nice man. Like, I think that's what we all go into it. Like, unless you are burned so deeply from a young age, which is horrific, and you have your those like guards up from a young age, you go through life for a while until you hit a point where you are over in a way that like, will stay with you for the rest of your life. And we wish that wouldn't happen to us, but when it happens, you can't unsee it. But before it happens, you're trusting people completely. You're like, I want to trust people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I want to have a good time with someone.

[B]

Like, isn't it interesting that we're so easily in induced to go like. Like, well, what were you thinking? Like trusting someone. Thinking. Thinking other people are good. But then by the way, if you're like, oh, I'm kind of cagey about dating and stuff right now, it's like, well, you gotta open yourself up. You're like, all right, maybe. Oh, oh, oh, oh. This is a setup. This is a trap. Oh, I see, I see. There's no winning.

[A]

Winning.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

There's no winning. Wait. Speaking of dating, as we're wrapping up, I promise.

[B]

No.

[A]

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[B]

No, no, I'm. I'm. I'm single. But it is funny. I was like, I was thinking the other day, I've been single for a while.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And. And I was like, oh, God, I'm. This is very me. I'm very avoidant. And I have all these kind of, like, little traps in my head or, like, escape hatches or whatever. And I think, like, for a long time now, I've been like, ugh, nope, no prospects. Meanwhile, I'm like, anna, every time your phone buzzes, it's someone being like, oh, I know this guy who writes on this great. He's on that show that's so great that everybody loves, and he, like, really wants to meet you, so just let me know and, like, just put it back down and go. No prospects for old Anna. Poor Anna. Nobody wants, like, it's like, such a game that I'm playing with myself where I'm like, oh, I'm not wanting to go there. So I just, like, don't see what's happening. Like, people, like, people going, like, I'd love to take you out for a meal. And me going like, oh, he wants to be buddies. But like, that's not even a euphemism. That's just like how people ask you on dates and it's just amazing the way that I'm like, no one for poor Anna. It's so pathetic.

[A]

You're just not in the mood.

[B]

Yeah, basically. Well, and also like, like, I made this movie about like the most dangerous violent man, so there might be some bleed over there.

[A]

No, I think it's. I love when people are like, no, I'm not dating. I think like, we can normalize that. When people are like, you're not seeing anyone. I hate those friends that are like, come on. It's like, first of all, shut up. I'll do it when I want to. But clearly, like, yes, you went through something with someone and you made this movie and now it's like, you're going to get back out there. When you want to get back out there. There. Is there anything that's like a non negotiable for you in a relationship?

[B]

Oh, well, in spite of my not great experience with couples therapy, I was like, first of all, I'm never getting involved with a man. Meaning, like, we're not even kissing. We're not like, I'm not even. We're not even going to like have a real conversation unless you are in or have been in therapy. And if we're actually like, oh, okay, maybe this is a relationship. We're getting a couple therapists from jumping from jump. And like, by the way, that guarantees nothing like even that. But yeah, I love that a man.

[A]

That'S in therapy, I know, it warms.

[B]

My, it warms my heart.

[A]

It's a good sign.

[B]

And it is not a guarantee of anything.

[A]

You're right, it's not a guarantee. But at least it's like a little bit more like it's a little bit more in the right direction completely. Because a man that's like, I would never fucking go to therapy. I'm like, what's wrong with you? You're the one that has the most fucking trauma. Like, not a good sign.

[B]

And can I say, I mean, even the kind of going back to the red flag thing that like, I'm aware that, you know, I love that there is a bit of a community and women wanting to share, like, ooh, this turned out to be a red flag. And like, you know, we should know those things and know that like, it doesn't necessarily protect us to look out for those things. But I was like, I was thinking about how, you know, a Classic one is like, any guy that says, like, oh, all my exes are crazy, that's a red flag. I was like, you know, all these guys have access to the same Internet and the same culture that we do, so I don't think that they're rocking up to first dates and going, ugh, all my exes are crazy fucking bitches. They're like, it was a messy situation. It was, you know, and I've been burned. And look, I probably contributed in some ways too, but Anna, I'm like, I think as we're learning it, they are too not to be like, oh, they're like. And I don't even think they're doing it on purpose. No, you're right. It's just happening subconsciously.

[A]

No, like, those little fuckers are fully learning off of this episode, being like, don't say this, do this. No, you're right, you're right. They're taking notes. Like, they're not idiots. You're right.

[B]

I had a guy tell me about an ex where he was doing, like, it was almost like he was getting me to collude with him by being like, no, she was a great person. But then would tell me things about her that would make me go, that's not okay. That's awful. And he would sort of be like, oh, wow, really? Do you think it was. And then it was all bullshit. It was all full on fabricated crazy. But, like, it. It is like, oh, they're. Oh. Oh, they're learning. They're like velociraptors. My God.

[A]

Okay, so on a first date, what do you want to be doing on a first date? Are you going to a dinner? Are you doing a coffee? Are you doing a fucking zoom meeting?

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

What are we doing? What's your ideal first date?

[B]

I know, I'm like, is there a way to just, like, have it, like, at my house in my pajamas? I mean, like, you have to look nice and I will be, like, recording it for the authorities, so don't try anything. But, yeah, I am like, what? Leave the house Dinner? Alex, that's disgusting. Why would you say that you'll do a FaceTime but go to a movie? What? Oh, my God, your movie.

[A]

How iconic? Yes, kind of iconic. Okay, last two questions. What is your best quality that you think you bring to a relationship?

[B]

Oh, God. Oh. Sometimes when I feel like I've seen, like, memes and stuff online about, like, the girlfriend that will be like, this isn't what he ordered. You know how, like, some men are like, oh, That's. Well, this isn't. But that's okay. And I'll just eat it. Like, I'm very much like the bodyguard. Like, I think I'm compensating for how short I am. I'm always like, wait, wait, now hang on a second. Which is weird because I'm the person where if the wrong thing comes, I'll just eat it. But when it's somebody else, and it's the same thing with friends where I'm like, where are they? No, no, no, no, no. Who said that to you? No, where are they? I just want to talk. No, no, no. I just want to talk. Like, I really talk crazy to people. It's a lot. But I don't know. I like that about myself.

[A]

I kind of love that.

[B]

But I don't know if you find that. It's way easier for me when it's somebody else, of course.

[A]

And then to stick up for yourself, you're like, oh, no, no, no. Never, never. But to someone else, I'm like, oh, I got you, bitch. I'm coming in full swing. Go.

[B]

No, I'm like, they're already dead. I don't. We don't even have to worry about it. I slept their throat last night. It's fine.

[A]

That's a good friend to have. This is good to know about you. Britney's lucky, but you're also lucky. I am very lucky. Last question. What do you think is, like, the biggest misconception about you?

[B]

Oh, God, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, sometimes. Okay, sometimes I don't know if this counts as, like, a misconception, but sometimes I truly don't realize how dry I'm being. I have, like, such nervous kid sister energy around, like, real, like, comics. And so I'll try to, like, be funny. Like, even. Even if someone's just funny, Like, I'll be like, oh, yeah, I have to, like, keep up and I'll go so dry that I think sometimes I don't realize it comes off like I'm being dead serious. I saw a video of my. I saw a TikTok of my. Once I was at this party and this guy, like, you know, just got me to do, like, a video with him. And I was joking that he told me that he'd been, like, filming me from across the party. And it was fine. It was fine, whatever. But I was like, oh, we're doing a bit about how, like, oh, you were secretly filming me. Like, so, okay, we're doing, like. I'm like, yeah, we're doing a bit and then I see the TikTok because it like went viral and I was like, oh, my God. It seems like I'm. It seems like I'm. It seems like I'm ready to kill this man. Which, like, look, mostly, am I ready to kill men at any given moment? A little. But I was like, I'm being so funny. And then I saw it back and I was like, oh, my God. And all the comments were like, wait, is she being serious? And I was like, I don't know. Am I being serious? My God, I don't know. And it really. I'd never, like, seen just a video of me doing a bit that wasn't like coming across as a bit. So I was like, oh, my God, how many times? How many times? Because this is like the tone that I snap into when there's like a comedy director or something, like, where I was like, oh, wow. There have gotta be so many situations where they're like, I don't know, I thought we were getting along fine. And then she just snapped. She like went like dead eyed on me or something. Meanwhile, I'm like, I'm being so funny. It's going great. Okay, like, I'm nailing it, Anna. You're nailing it.

[A]

And that is the end of our episode. And that concludes today's session, ladies and gentlemen, Anna, thank you so much for coming on. Call her daddy. This was so fun. You're amazing.

[B]

Thank you so much for everything.

[A]

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