Camila Cabello: Break Up Sex >>> (FBF)

Summary

Call Her Daddy: Camila Cabello on Breakup Sex (FBF)

Release Date: June 6, 2025
Host: Alex Cooper
Guest: Camila Cabello

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Introduction to the Episode

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Opening Conversation and Personal Updates

[03:07] Camila Cabello:
"Welcome to Call Her Daddy."

Camila kicks off the episode by warmly welcoming listeners and the guest, expressing excitement about the conversation and the insights to be shared.

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Camila's Personal Transformation

[03:52] Camila Cabello:
"Camila walked in here, and she has platinum blonde hair. How did you decide to do this?"

[04:27] Camila Cabello:
"I was gonna ask, because I was talking to someone, like, would I ever change my hair color? I'm like, oh, my God. I don't know if I would, but I would do wigs before you just go for it."

Camila discusses her recent physical transformation, highlighting her decision to switch to a platinum blonde wig. She delves into the reasons behind this change, emphasizing the importance of aligning her physical appearance with her evolving musical style and personal growth.

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Navigating Fame from a Young Age

[10:06] Camila Cabello:
"You move to Miami when you're, like, seven."

[12:56] Alex Cooper:
"So I think even when you were..."

Camila shares her early life experiences, including her family's move from Cuba to Miami during her childhood. She reflects on the challenges of adapting to a new country at a young age, the cultural adjustments, and how these experiences shaped her personality and resilience.

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Musical Journey and Inspirations

[15:18] Camila Cabello:
"And at the time, it was like, it was in such, like, good faith that people were trying to."

[16:12] Camila Cabello:
"But I really was like, I need to audition to X Factor, and I need to do whatever it takes to make it to at least the point where I meet Harry."

Camila delves into her passion for music, her experiences auditioning for shows like X Factor, and her aspirations that were fueled by her admiration for groups like One Direction. She recounts her journey from forming girl groups in elementary school to joining Fifth Harmony, highlighting her dedication to songwriting and personal artistic development.

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Balancing Personal Life and a Demanding Career

[22:02] Camila Cabello:
"When you were in it for four years. That's basically like a high school experience."

[31:01] Camila Cabello:
"I think I've had a couple as well. I think it's."

Camila discusses the challenges of maintaining personal relationships while being part of a high-profile music group. She reflects on the limited opportunities to date during her time with Fifth Harmony and how her experiences evolved once she pursued solo endeavors.

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Philosophy on Dating and Relationships

[36:09] Unknown Guest (Camila):
"Looking for something serious? I don't know. I have phases."

[37:14] Camila Cabello:
"I completely agree. You know, I've gotten back with exes."

Camila and Alex engage in a candid discussion about modern dating dynamics, including the concept of maintaining multiple casual relationships versus seeking deep, meaningful connections. Camila emphasizes her belief in being honest with oneself about what one truly desires in a relationship and the importance of self-compassion during the dating process.

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Experiences with Exes and Breakups

[53:05] Camila Cabello:
"I think it's so it..."

[54:07] Unknown Guest (Camila):
"Have I ever had someone go through your phone? That's a yes."

Camila opens up about her past relationships, including encounters with ex-partners and the complexities of rekindling old flames. She shares personal anecdotes about navigating the aftermath of breakups, the emotional toll of ghosting, and the importance of moving forward with self-awareness and kindness.

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Breakup Sex: Pros and Cons

[62:35] Camila Cabello:
"I think the point to close out the dating chapter is like, yeah..."

[63:20] Camila Cabello:
"But it's not."

In a deep dive into the topic of breakup sex, Camila and Alex explore its emotional implications. Camila expresses her support for engaging in intimacy post-breakup as a means to process emotions, while also acknowledging the potential pitfalls, such as lingering feelings and wasted emotional energy.

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Upcoming Projects and Future Plans

[64:55] Camila Cabello:
"You're speaking from my experience."

[67:50] Camila Cabello:
"It's so good. And I'm so excited, personally, to hear the whole thing."

Camila shifts the conversation to her upcoming album, "Live My Questions," discussing the inspiration behind it, her collaboration with producers like Pablo Elgincho, and the thematic elements that blend personal growth with playful femininity. She emphasizes the album's focus on embracing one's identity and the journey of self-discovery.

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Closing Thoughts and Messages

[69:15] Camila Cabello:
"That's life. That's the best part of life."

[70:06] Camila Cabello:
"What message do you hope fans take away from this album when it comes out?"

Camila concludes the episode by sharing her hopes for her listeners, encouraging them to embrace their questions and the playful aspects of life. She underscores the importance of self-expression, freedom, and authenticity both in her music and personal interactions.

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Notable Quotes

• Camila Cabello [03:52]:
  "I felt like I just needed a big physical change because I feel like my dark hair has been with me for all of my life."

• Camila Cabello [22:45]:
  "You should never feel like, oh, my God, I don't want him to see me in the morning if I have like a breakout."

• Camila Cabello [55:17]:
  "You need to know that it's not going to. And it needs to be on your terms."

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Conclusion

In this heartfelt episode of Call Her Daddy, Camila Cabello offers an intimate glimpse into her personal life, musical journey, and philosophies on relationships. Her candidness, combined with her reflective insights, provides listeners with relatable content that resonates on both emotional and inspirational levels. The conversation balances light-hearted moments with deep discussions, making it a compelling listen for anyone navigating the complexities of fame, personal growth, and love.

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Transcript

[Alex Cooper]

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[Camila Cabello]

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[Alex Cooper]

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[Camila Cabello]

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[Alex Cooper]

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[Camila Cabello]

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[Alex Cooper]

With Call Her Daddy.

[Camila Cabello]

Camila Cabello. Welcome to Call Her Daddy.

[Unknown Guest]

I'm so excited.

[Camila Cabello]

I am so happy you're here. To anyone in the Daddy Gang that is listening to this and not watching the Daddy Gang. Daddy Gang, do you want to say hi?

[Unknown Guest]

Oh, my God, yes. Hello, Daddy Gang. I love the community.

[Camila Cabello]

Would you consider your sister Daddy gay?

[Unknown Guest]

Oh, 100.

[Camila Cabello]

Okay, that makes sense.

[Unknown Guest]

My sister is Daddy gang, for sure.

[Camila Cabello]

I love. How can I say your mom walked in here and she was like, don't worry. I'm not gonna be listening.

[Unknown Guest]

I know, because I could. I could just intuit. Like, I could read your energy that you were like, oh, her mom is here.

[Camila Cabello]

Like, what do we have in here that's sexual? I'm like, just close your ears and pretend this isn't happening to anyone that's listening. Camila walked in here, and she has platinum blonde hair. How did you decide to do this?

[Unknown Guest]

You know, I felt like I just. I needed a big physical change because I feel like. I don't know, my dark hair has been with me for all of my life. I feel like it was just, like, a big part of how the public saw me, the world saw me, how I saw myself. And I feel like it's just been a year of, like, the theme has very much been, like, play and transformation and changing and being brave. But I feel like also the. The music is so different. Like, the world is so different that I don't know. For so many reasons, I was like, I feel like a physical change needs to, like, accompany that. And then I tried on a few different wigs.

[Camila Cabello]

I was gonna ask, because I was talking to someone, like, would I ever change my hair color? I'm like, oh, my God. I don't know if I would, but I would do wigs before you just go for it.

[Unknown Guest]

I definitely think you need to do wigs because it's such a big change. But I do feel like everybody should do it. I mean, not everybody should do it, but it's like a fun. Like, I don't know, it brings out a different part of your personality, and it's like. I don't know. It's kind of like a yolo. Like, I don't know.

[Camila Cabello]

Just like, fuck it.

[Unknown Guest]

Is it okay if I. Please? Should I take. Should I take a sip?

[Camila Cabello]

Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. We're drinking wine.

[Unknown Guest]

Okay, everybody, I need a little bit of wine. Cause we were talking about. I don't really do stuff like this, so I definitely was, like, a little nervous. But I'm also. I'm really excited for, like, my fans. I feel like they, like, haven't seen me be a person in a while.

[Camila Cabello]

Okay. Cheers. Cheers.

[Unknown Guest]

Cheers. Cheers. Cheers.

[Camila Cabello]

I'm going to look over and Camille is going to be chugging the entire thing. Slow down. No.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah. It's 1pm yes.

[Camila Cabello]

For context, it's one in the afternoon and the sun is out and we're drinking wine.

[Unknown Guest]

But honestly, I haven't. I haven't drank in a second. I've been working so much. I really. I'm like. I feel like I kind of deserve. You have had a really busy schedule, too.

[Camila Cabello]

You told me yesterday I was doing meetings with friends. Foils in my head, like, what are you.

[Unknown Guest]

We deserve this.

[Alex Cooper]

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[Camila Cabello]

That's what I get excited about for these type of interviews. That you haven't done something like this.

[Unknown Guest]

In a while and years, I feel like.

[Camila Cabello]

And I think it's important, though, to sometimes, like, stay, step back. Like, why do you think you haven't done something in a while?

[Unknown Guest]

I think it was just. I needed to kind of protect myself from. I. I actually wouldn't even say protect myself. I think I just. I needed to just be a human being. I needed to be a person. I needed to kind of step away from being a public Persona and just work on myself from the inside out as opposed to, like, the outside in. I mean, I've been in the public eye since I was 15 years old, so I feel like so much of. Especially the first maybe seven or eight years, I was, like, kind of figuring myself out at the same time as, like, trying to process and take in what other people thought, even if I'm not necessarily reading it directly. You just kind of subconsciously are trying to figure out what to do with all of that. So I don't know. I think I needed some time and some space to be like, who am I? What's important to me? What are. Not only what are my values in that sense, but also, like, what are my hobbies? What do I like to do? What's my taste in art? What kind of people do I like hanging out with? What kind of people do I not like hanging out with? And I feel like that's kind of the journey I've been on for the past few years. And it's been really, like, it's been really nice and healthy for me. I Feel like I really kind of needed to do that. Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

Let's talk about you growing up for a second. Okay, girl. You're like, cheers. Cheers again.

[Unknown Guest]

My God. To exploring childhood.

[Camila Cabello]

We're gonna go through all the eras.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah. The. Or the origin myth.

[Camila Cabello]

Okay. Born in Cuba.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

You move to Miami when you're, like, seven.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah. It's so funny because I always say six or seven. My mom is like, you have to, like, pick an age.

[Camila Cabello]

Right? Like, which was it?

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, I moved when I was six or seven. And when I was six or seven, it's like, I would say that.

[Camila Cabello]

So six or seven. Ye. Camila moves to Miami. Can you tell me, like, how did your parents explain to you that you were moving?

[Unknown Guest]

My mom told me we were going to Disney World. As immigrant parents, do they lie to protect us? I love my mom so much. She's not watching, so I don't have to worry about hurting her feelings on that one. Hi, Mom. Hey, Mom. But, yeah, she said she told me we were going to Disney World, and I was really excited until maybe a couple months passed, and I was like, wait a second. I'm still here, and there's no Disney World. And, yeah, it's funny. Like, I. I really empathize with that, you know, that. That age, that version of me. Because I can imagine that it's probably informed some parts of my personality in the sense that, like, one day I had, like, all my cousins and all my family around, and the next day. Not to, like, whatever, like, a pity sob story or whatever, but, you know, one day they were there, and then the next day. The next day, I was kind of like, oh, where is everybody? I actually had this song that I wrote that didn't end up making it into the album, but, like, so many empty chairs for, like, Christmas, Christmas dinner or whatever. It was, like, some, like, lyric like that. But I think that's such a, like, visceral image that I can remember. It's, like, a lot of noise. And then it was like, just me and my mom.

[Camila Cabello]

Why did you guys move?

[Unknown Guest]

I think it was just the situation in Cuba was getting more and more difficult. Like, lack of. There was just, like, such a ceiling, like, as far as, like, you know, my mom was an architect, and even if you had a good job, there was just, like, such. There was, like, not a lot of resources. Like, even, like, food, medicine, education. Like, I don't think a lot of people know, like, the situation there is, like, really. It's pretty. It's pretty tough, especially right now. Like, there's like, there's not a lot of food. I've family members that have come even, like, a month ago that are still coming, and, you know, they see, like, the food that we have, like, in, you know, in the pantry, and they're like, we're just, like, not used to this. And I think that's, like, what's amazing, too, about Miami and the community there is, like, I think because everybody has those common, like, start from nothing thing. Like, it really is like, hey, like, if you don't have a job, like, I've got this uncle, I got this cousin, like, you come work for me. You don't know how to do this. Well, it's fine. I'll teach you whatever. And everybody's just kind of like, helping each other, helping each other, and also just, like, helping each other improvised. And we're constantly, like, trying to, like, bring our. Our family over.

[Alex Cooper]

So I think even when you were.

[Camila Cabello]

Saying that, like, six or seven age. I think at that.

[Unknown Guest]

The new age. Six or seven?

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

One word.

[Camila Cabello]

Six or seven.

[Unknown Guest]

I can't. Six or seven.

[Camila Cabello]

When you were six or seven, I'm thinking about you moving to having to go to a new school.

[Alex Cooper]

School.

[Camila Cabello]

Moving to a new country. Probably not completely speaking English.

[Unknown Guest]

Oh, no, not at all.

[Camila Cabello]

At all.

[Unknown Guest]

How did you know Speaky.

[Camila Cabello]

How did you make friends? Like, what was school like?

[Unknown Guest]

I really made friends. It's. It's crazy to think about, like, in hindsight, I made my best friends through music. Always. I was always like, you know, my first friend that I made, her name was Giselle, and we lived in, like, an apartment complex. She lived in the same complex as me, and we bonded over, like, the Cheetah Girls. I wanted to be them so bad, and I loved, like, you know, Cinderella like that. It's actually crazy how much I am realizing a lot of these things came to be.

[Camila Cabello]

I like how you manifested this.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, I know. I really manifested the. Out of, like, my life then.

[Camila Cabello]

You were Cinderella.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, I know. And I was in a girl group. But anyway, so, like, we would, you know, like, I would bring the CD or whatever, and we would, like, just dance to it and pretend like we were in a girl group. And then, like, you know, when I was in elementary school, it was like we would pretend to be on American Idol. Fuck. I manifested that shit, too. I guess I'm realizing. And then we were like, I made a, like, mini girl group with my friends, and we were called Lion Girls, Queens of the Jungle, because I love the Cheetah Girls. That's not like, that's not a, like, musician flex. It's a huge flex. That's a really good name.

[Camila Cabello]

Fun.

[Unknown Guest]

And I remember, like, this one friend that I had, like, my best friend. We would, like. I remember during the summers, we would, like, we would be on the phone and we would, like, just be singing on the phone. Like, oh, my God, I did like this. That riff sounds so good. Like, everything was honestly really tied to music.

[Camila Cabello]

So you knew from a young age that you, like, loved performing.

[Alex Cooper]

I loved.

[Unknown Guest]

I wouldn't even say performing because I was really, really shy. It was, like, almost. It was, like, really reserved for my friends. And I remember my friends even say now they're like, remember when we used to be like, sing, Sing. Because I don't know if that was a thing for when it was your age, but I feel like anybody who was, like, had, like, a good voice in school.

[Camila Cabello]

Yes.

[Unknown Guest]

It was like, it was kind of like, sing.

[Camila Cabello]

And at the time, it was like, it was in such, like, good faith that people were trying to. But meanwhile, the person that is gonna have to sing feels like all of you. I don't want to sing. So if I was to ask any of the kids that went to your school that weren't your friends, like, okay, Camilla, at 15 years old, is going to become a huge pop star. Famous. What do you think they would have said?

[Unknown Guest]

There were people that were like, I didn't even know that, like, she sang.

[Camila Cabello]

Stop.

[Unknown Guest]

Because I was just. I was. I. I went through different phases. Like, I think there was with some people that I was really funny and class clowny and whatever. And then for most people, I was really. I was, like, really shy.

[Camila Cabello]

Shy. Okay, let's talk about X Factor. So I'm reading online, and I'm like, wait, is this true? I'm like, you said that you went on X Factor first to just meet One Direction.

[Unknown Guest]

This is. This is true.

[Camila Cabello]

I mean, tell me the plan. Like, what was the plan going in there?

[Unknown Guest]

I mean, honestly, I was a huge. I don't know if I'm curious if you were too, but I was like, you know, like, I was like, such a big pop culture fan. Like, yes, yes. Since I was young and my friends and I really bonded over that. Like, we didn't love fucking One Direction. We loved One Direction.

[Camila Cabello]

One Direction.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, we love.

[Camila Cabello]

We wanted to 100.

[Unknown Guest]

I mean, at that. At that age, we just wanted. I wanted to just kiss them any, like, just anything. But yeah. Even if at an early age I wasn't like, I want to be a Singer? Because I think it just wasn't even a thing that I thought of. Like, it was like, how, like, right, right.

[Camila Cabello]

You know, like, how will this be a career?

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah. Like, I don't have anybody that knows anybody. I'm, like, in Miami, like, nobody. The most that we had was. I don't know if you remember, like, when that, like, person would come on the radio and be like, auditions for Nickelodeon?

[Camila Cabello]

Yes.

[Unknown Guest]

Do you want to be the next Selena Gomez, Justin Bieber, and all my friends? I would be like, yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

And it's like, there's no way. Like, everyone, sit down. Just so you know, I was one of those girls. Too big. Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

Did you audition?

[Camila Cabello]

No.

[Unknown Guest]

All of my friends and I auditioned, and they were like, you are amazing. You're only gonna have to pay $15,000 to go to this acting school. And my mom was like, yeah, yeah. Scam. But that was like, in hindsight, it was always. The center of my life was music and singing and writing and whatever. It was always, like, my obsession. And I think, like, One Direction or Pop Culture was like, an extension of that in a different way, in a more probably hormonal, crushy way. But. Yeah. But I really was like, I need to audition to X Factor, and I need to do whatever it takes to make it to at least the point where I meet Harry. Really, all of them, but, like, Harry. But really Harry.

[Camila Cabello]

So for everyone else, it was always Harry. Then, like, Zane really popped off, and, like, I've met him in person. Great guy. Like, I was like, oh, okay.

[Unknown Guest]

Like, no. And. And Niall is so lovely, too. He's, like, amazing. It's just.

[Camila Cabello]

Terry. Terry.

[Unknown Guest]

I just. I was like. I really, really. He was an inspiring muse for me at 15.

[Camila Cabello]

When you talk about a guy when you're younger that you were obsessed with, like, it does.

[Unknown Guest]

Sickness.

[Camila Cabello]

It brings you back. Like, I kind of had that with Justin Bieber, where you're like, oh. I was also obsessed, and I'm like, I want to be the one less lonely girl. Like, shut up.

[Unknown Guest]

It's crazy how delusional you are at that age. You believe. No. You believe that you are meant to fall in love, that they don't know that you are the girl for them. Like, they don't know it, but once they do, there will be no stopping that train. It's crazy how delusional you are. At that time.

[Camila Cabello]

Did you ever do this? Like, I remember I'd be at concerts, and I'm like, if. If he just locks.

[Unknown Guest]

Me too. Me too. I'd be like, I Would I would. I remember, like, going to the concert being like, I have to look incredible because for some reason I thought me at 15 years old with like my like insanely terrible, like, side bang and like, you know, like, that he would lock eye and then he would know for some reason. It's crazy. I still have some of that delusion left in me now.

[Camila Cabello]

I think. It's good delusion though, right?

[Unknown Guest]

It's fun. It keeps you. It keeps. It keeps things spicy.

[Camila Cabello]

It does. On your toes, you know?

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

100% just like wanting things you can't have.

[Unknown Guest]

No. Delusion is a necessary ingredient, I think, to like my. My happiness. But I definitely had way more at 15. I definitely was like once. Once he sees me, he's. He's. He's dumping Kendall Jenner. Cable. No.

[Camila Cabello]

You know, he won't even know it hit him. When our eyes lock. Yeah, it's like, game over, baby. Wifey. Okay.

[Unknown Guest]

And then I look pictures of myself at that age and I'm like, oh, my God. Like, I look like such a baby. Like it was never going to happen. We're going to have.

[Camila Cabello]

But you joined Fifth Harmony and obviously you don't join One Direction. Although you probably wanted to be like the one girl.

[Unknown Guest]

But I joined the. What felt to me like at that time, like I was like, oh, my God, yes, this is happening to me now.

[Camila Cabello]

God. No, that's actually so crazy. Like you were becoming like the female version of the new One Direction.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah. I mean, like when I remember when we were at X Factor and they started like calling our names up, I was like, I know this fucking story. I have seen it.

[Camila Cabello]

Obviously there was a lot of drama when you walked away from the group.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

And now that like time has passed and you look back at everything, like, how do you feel about how everything went down?

[Unknown Guest]

I feel like I'm like, can really focus on and remember the really joyful times. And, you know, I grew a lot in that group and I. I remember waking up on tour and going to my hotel room at like 7am and going to my garageband and like, writing songs. Cause I didn't want to like, you know, do it while everybody was there. And I just like, I had such a passion for. That turned into writing. And at first I was like, oh, maybe like, I wanna write for other people. But then it turned into like, no, actually, like, I wanna sing these songs by myself. And I distancing myself from. I feel like the group vision. And it felt like, you know, they were still like, really passionate and into that. And so I just was like, I'm just like, not. I'm not happy here anymore. Like, it doesn't feel aligned, you know.

[Camila Cabello]

I think also, like, that's so. Okay. And I think there's two parts of it. One, people can look back and be heartbroken that something breaks up. So understandable. Similar to One Direction.

[Unknown Guest]

Of course it is like, oh, my God. Yeah, it is.

[Camila Cabello]

It's kind of necessary to grow.

[Unknown Guest]

It's like any breakup, like, yeah, it sucks.

[Camila Cabello]

Yes. Which we're going to get into. Okay, so. So I'm thinking back. You joined this group at 15, and I'm thinking about, like, you were in it for four years. That's basically like a high school experience. Like, crazy. You're a celebrity at such a young age. You're touring, you're busy. Did you have time to date? How did you meet guys? What was the vibe?

[Unknown Guest]

When I was 15 to 19, it was like, guys that, you know, like, not a lot. Like a few. A few. And it was very, like, we saw each other maybe once or twice a year. I really started dating and whatever, like, probably when I was, like, 20.

[Camila Cabello]

Okay.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

So.

[Unknown Guest]

Because before that, it was just like, the group was, like, all encompassing.

[Camila Cabello]

That was your everything.

[Unknown Guest]

That was my relationship. Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

I feel like everyone remembers their first love. I remember mine. I feel like you can kind of never be the same after it because it teaches you so much and it is. You experience so many firsts with this person. What comes to your mind when you think of, like, my first love.

[Unknown Guest]

My first love was. I feel like I've had a few, maybe a couple great loves.

[Camila Cabello]

Okay.

[Unknown Guest]

How about you?

[Camila Cabello]

I think I've had a couple as well. I think it's. It's interesting because now that I'm engaged, I look back on it and I, like, that wasn't. Well, it's. Yeah, it's interesting. It's like, it's different and. And I talk about this with Matt all the time. And I'm so happy that we have a healthy enough relationship to talk about exes and not be, like, insecure about it, which I used to. I would have been insecure in past relationships to talk about exes, but when I think about being in love, I definitely can pinpoint, like, the first person I was in love with that I met when I was, like, 16. And it was just this, like, all encompassing. Me too Wrecks you.

[Unknown Guest]

Me too. And 17 was probably my first, like, really in love. I don't know. It's like there's so many different connotations to in love though. Because sometimes it's like who was I happiest with or who made me the most devastated. And sometimes it's like God, what even is the right definition of in love? Cuz there were people that there was, you know, one person that made me the happiest and there was the other person that made me the most sick and crazy.

[Camila Cabello]

Right.

[Unknown Guest]

And I don't know what is the definition of like what's the most in love? You know, It's a good point.

[Camila Cabello]

It's like I feel like when I look back, I agree with you. All of my loves are different.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

But it's also just so fudgeing weird because you are so different. And I think of like what I was giving maybe in my first love, like I was definitely not someone bringing health and wellness to the relationship.

[Unknown Guest]

Oh my God.

[Camila Cabello]

It was like fighting and writing letters and like that. It was like that notebook type of love where it's like so fudgeing hard and devastating. You're just like fudge my life. But the when you leave those type of relationships, I feel like it leaves the biggest lasting memory for a while because it was so hard and you fought so much and it was so loving but then difficult that like you can kind of romanticize it once you leave where the people that left you happy and it if it was more stable. I have found it was easier to move on from just because I can like kind of put it in a corner of my brain and be like, that was so great, but I know it wasn't meant to be. I don't know if that makes sense.

[Unknown Guest]

No, totally, totally. I mean, I think like there is a part of me that still, it depends what mood I'm in. Sometimes I really want peace and happiness and other times I still miss and love that chaotic sickening feeling. And I don't know what that is. I have to explore it further in therapy. But there is something like so kind of like addictive about that. And you know, it's interesting because it's like, you know, it's like the classic like nervous system quote, like whatever. I mean, actually, I don't know why I said classic because it's not a classic classic.

[Camila Cabello]

It's relatable.

[Unknown Guest]

You know that that quote is like find someone that's good for your nervous system.

[Camila Cabello]

Yes.

[Unknown Guest]

A lot of the times the people that are do make you feel fucking sick with love are not good for your nervous system.

[Camila Cabello]

But it's addictive.

[Unknown Guest]

But it feels so good and terrible at the same time.

[Camila Cabello]

Because when it's good, it's so fudgeing.

[Unknown Guest]

Because when it's good, it's like, you could cut my leg off today. I will be smiling all teeth, you know?

[Camila Cabello]

But when it's bad, and I think this is what's so interesting, when it is bad, and I think back to those type of relationships, there's something like that makes you feel even more romantic about it, because it's like, we're fighting, we're working.

[Unknown Guest]

We're like, totally.

[Camila Cabello]

It's just. It is kind of convoluted. And there are some relationships that take a lot of work to then get to be good. Or there are just a lot of relationships that just shouldn't work. But we put so much into them because it is addicting.

[Unknown Guest]

And it really changes. I feel like as you age, like, I feel like when I was younger, so many relationships were, like, my projection of people in my head, and I really romanticized the shit out of them. And I really took a little thing that they said and I just ran with that, you know? But now I find that it's like the people that you meet that are, like, really exciting and how you have real chemistry with it's really. Is rare and. And hard to find.

[Camila Cabello]

It is so hard to find. I find, like, the first couple hangouts, you will kind of be able to just gauge, like, if it's there, because I'm not someone that's as much of, like, a slow burn type of person.

[Unknown Guest]

I am not a slow burn. And what sucks is that I hear that that's the healthiest thing. It's like, I've heard podcasts or where people are like, if you kind of like this person and if you're curious, just go on a second date. And I'm just the kind of person that's like, if I am not, like, going to sleep, like, wanting to have you inside me, like, I.

[Camila Cabello]

No, I get it.

[Unknown Guest]

Honestly, that's extreme. Maybe not that, but if I'm not. If I'm not, like, if I don't leave the date and I'm like, wow, it's really hard for me to have that slow burn approach, but I'm trying to be more like that. I think it's just.

[Camila Cabello]

I agree. I also just want to validate you because it's not extreme, what you just said. I think when I've left first dates, you want to, like. I know it sounds fudgeing crazy, but this is a girls girl podcast. Everyone girl will get it. You leave, and you can like, literally quickly go through, like, picturing yourself in like, positions with them and places will not, well, positions physically and like places in life and just like kind of quickly the next year with them and you're like picturing like the next date and your sexual chemistry and disgusting. You can kind of envision it. And then if I can't with someone, it's hard to go on the second date.

[Unknown Guest]

I know, but a lot of people say, like, you should and you know, and us. Yeah, I know, I know.

[Camila Cabello]

God damn it.

[Unknown Guest]

It's interesting. But.

[Alex Cooper]

So you're saying I love it.

[Unknown Guest]

I am.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

What is single Camila like?

[Alex Cooper]

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[Camila Cabello]

What is single Camila like?

[Unknown Guest]

Okay, I. I try to really prioritize that part of my life.

[Camila Cabello]

Okay.

[Unknown Guest]

Because it just makes me feel. It's just so fun.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

I love. I honestly love Pink single. I love it. But I also, I've been in relationships for a lot of my. Since I started dating. Like, since I started dating when I was 20. I was in long term relationships a lot. So it feels fun to just like, get to know people and like, talk and like, see what happens.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

Those beginning stages are like, beginning stage also. Also my weakness because I love a beginning stage. It's so fun.

[Camila Cabello]

It's so good. It's. I think why I had such a hard time getting into serious relationships because the thrill and the excitement and the unknown is so fun. And then once it becomes, like, predictable, I used to be like, bye. But when you get older again, like, you start to realize there can be a balance.

[Unknown Guest]

And you start to realize there also there are other things that are important. Like you can go deeper. And that's surprising. And you know, at the end of the day, it's like we're people that are. I really believe, like, we're never just one person. We are constantly changing. Like, Matt could be a different person in two years. He. He will be a new person.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

And so there's always something new.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah. But.

[Unknown Guest]

But I do feel like I'm like, I think also because I was just in like a heavy, like, like, you know, like writing process, writing stage. It's really experiences. I'm just like, so hungry for experiences. Like, the more experiences, the better the better.

[Camila Cabello]

Okay, so one experience you had recently that we all saw online. Oh, gosh. Was. You were on a vacation with Drake.

[Unknown Guest]

Oh, gosh. Well, you know what?

[Camila Cabello]

I have to ask. I can't not ask.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, of course, of course.

[Camila Cabello]

Have you guys ever been a thing?

[Unknown Guest]

Well, I wouldn't. First of all, I wouldn't say, like, straight up vacation.

[Camila Cabello]

Okay, okay. Okay.

[Unknown Guest]

It was vacation plus, plus some work.

[Camila Cabello]

Oh. Oh.

[Unknown Guest]

Oh. Oh, God.

[Camila Cabello]

Oh, wait. The whole Internet just broke.

[Unknown Guest]

So it was vacation plus some work. But I will say, you know what? I love that man. I love him.

[Camila Cabello]

We all love that man.

[Unknown Guest]

We all love him, right?

[Camila Cabello]

The Internet really loved him recently.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what you're talking about.

[Camila Cabello]

Okay, so have you ever had. Can we confirm or no?

[Unknown Guest]

Have I ever had what?

[Camila Cabello]

Like a little thing with Drake A.

[Unknown Guest]

Beautiful artistic collaboration with him.

[Camila Cabello]

Yes.

[Unknown Guest]

I may or may not have.

[Camila Cabello]

What is it like going on vacation with Drake?

[Unknown Guest]

Okay, first of all, we did not go on vacation like, the two. This was like. This was like a homie. Like, friends. Okay, so let me tell me, let me. Let me break this down. Okay. So basically, Drake was a big. Love him, love him. Love, love him as an artist. For real.

[Camila Cabello]

Me too.

[Unknown Guest]

Love him. Like, right?

[Camila Cabello]

Yes.

[Unknown Guest]

He's the best.

[Camila Cabello]

Yes.

[Unknown Guest]

Who? The goat. He. I love him so much, and I really listened to him a lot during my writing process, during my album, and I really felt like he would like my album.

[Camila Cabello]

Love for real confidence. Fucking love it.

[Unknown Guest]

And so I DM'd him and I was like, hey, I really want to play. I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna put it out there. I just. Baller. We got it. We. We gotta make shit happen.

[Camila Cabello]

You gotta make shit.

[Unknown Guest]

We gotta make shit happen. So I DM'd him and I was like, I would love to play you my album. I honestly feel like you would really love it because, you know, because. Because I listen to him a lot, and I. And I just feel like we're. I really do feel like musically, in a lot of ways, we like the same things. And I feel. Yeah. So I. We hung out. I played in my album.

[Camila Cabello]

What'd he say?

[Unknown Guest]

He loved it. As I. And I. And I thought that he would. And I was, like, so excited. It was also such a surreal moment for me to, like, play Drake my songs and, like, dude, you know, that's another one of those things that you're just like, wow. I would have never expected it's like, that this would happen.

[Camila Cabello]

A dream.

[Unknown Guest]

It's a dream.

[Camila Cabello]

Like, are you a dream?

[Unknown Guest]

I remember being there and being like, wow, this is, like, so fucking sick. And he's so generous and so kind and. But anyway, so I didn't, like, just go on vacation with him. It was like a vacation, like, work thing. But honestly, I will say I love him and I'm. And. And that has been such a fun part about this whole experience. Like, this has been the most. It's been a really insular process in terms of, like, me taking it back to basics in terms of, like, me like, really focusing on, like, you know, my craft of writing or whatever. But at the same time, literally, I could chug this whole thing right now of, like, huge toast to that. And he's amazing, and I love him.

[Camila Cabello]

Let's do a toast to Drake.

[Unknown Guest]

Toast to Drake. To Champagne Poppy.

[Camila Cabello]

God bless we all love you.

[Unknown Guest]

God bless. We. We really do love you.

[Camila Cabello]

I love you, dude. Okay, so you are single. So what is the approach to dating? Are you looking for something serious? Are you going on dates? Like, what is happening as far as.

[Unknown Guest]

Looking for something serious? I don't know. I have phases. Like, maybe like two weeks ago, I'm like, oh, my God. Like, I really just. I want to really have something real with someone. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready for something real again. And then I am like, you know, talking and like, meeting someone new, and I'm like, oh, my God, I love this. This is so fun. I don't want anything serious right now. So it really. It's like, it's different. It's different phases. I really think I'm like, there's so much going on right now that if it was somebody serious, I would really have to connect with them on it, on a really deep level, which I always hope it is. I'm a hopeless romantic at heart. Like, I love my fun, but I'm a hopeless romantic for sure. And I literally, if I have, like, a great kiss with somebody, I'm like, I would die for you. Right?

[Camila Cabello]

Like, we're in love.

[Unknown Guest]

Oh, yeah, 100%.

[Camila Cabello]

Are you someone that will have a roster? Like, what's the situation? Are you good at handling multiple men at once?

[Unknown Guest]

I do, like, a little bit. Not too much, but just a little bit of like a. You know, there's like, maybe a few vibes. Yes, there's a few vibes, you know, and I think there's. There's a different level of, like, for some people, roster is like, the intimacy is like, maybe sleeping with all them. That's. That's too much for me. It's more kind of like vibes and. And talking, hanging out, whatever. But I can't be serious, at least at this point with more than one person.

[Camila Cabello]

I completely agree. I feel like when you're in the single stage, it's helpful to kind of just like, pick around and just kind of like, keep a couple people. That's where I arena just to be.

[Unknown Guest]

Like, that's where I am. Like, what's your vibe? Yeah, what's your vibe? Right.

[Camila Cabello]

And then, like, once one kind of drops off, you can pick up a new one. Yeah. But it's fun. And I think you're my new favorite. Yes. And I think as busy as you are, I get that. It's like, unless the person is going to be like, holy, this is like, like late night till 3am you're talking.

[Unknown Guest]

Exactly. If it's late night till 3am and we have this insane connection and I'm like, oh, you're like, it's giving Father of my children vibe. Like, I would. I will fly anywhere you like. What? You come. Like, whatever, then I will do that. But if it's like, I. I liked him and he was cute and that was cute, then it's like, I'll see you when I see you.

[Camila Cabello]

Wait, have you ever flown a guy somewhere?

[Unknown Guest]

Only in, like, rel. Like relationships vibes. No, I mean, I haven't, like, flown them.

[Camila Cabello]

Got it. They fly to the front of.

[Unknown Guest]

No. Yeah. I haven't piloted them to my hotel room. But I mean, like, they have flown to me.

[Camila Cabello]

Yes.

[Unknown Guest]

But I haven't been like, let me just get you your flight. Yeah. I'm not a daddy energy. Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

Oh, my God.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, I know.

[Camila Cabello]

What gives you the icky?

[Unknown Guest]

To be honest, one of the things that would give me the ick is I don't really want to be, like, with a guy. Like, I don't want to be like, on my daddy shit.

[Camila Cabello]

Have a little bit of, like, that, like, masculine energy, kind of take control.

[Unknown Guest]

Take control.

[Camila Cabello]

Especially because you're in control all fucking day with your career.

[Unknown Guest]

And that's a big psychological thing.

[Alex Cooper]

If.

[Unknown Guest]

Do you feel like that too?

[Camila Cabello]

I was gonna say, like, I want for sure respect, but if I'm like, I am literally running the ship here.

[Unknown Guest]

No saying if I'm making decisions all day and I have to be like, on my fucking, like, whatever daddy unironic, daddy boss girl shit. You better come correct when it's time and let me just not think about anything. Like, I want you to, like, fuck. I want to let go and surrender.

[Alex Cooper]

Right.

[Camila Cabello]

What is your philosophy around ghosting? Are we ghosting people?

[Unknown Guest]

Are we not? I don't like that. I mean, I actually had a conversation with my friends the other day because I went on a date with this guy.

[Camila Cabello]

Okay.

[Unknown Guest]

One date.

[Camila Cabello]

How'd it go?

[Unknown Guest]

Not great.

[Camila Cabello]

Okay.

[Unknown Guest]

I didn't like it. And I went on a date with this guy and I asked my. He was like, texting me and I asked my friends. I was like, hey, guys. If I don't answer, is this ghosting?

[Camila Cabello]

Do you go out in public with this person?

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

Okay. And so.

[Unknown Guest]

But they're not, like, Right. He wasn't famous.

[Camila Cabello]

Why did it not go well?

[Unknown Guest]

It was just so boring. Like, there was no spark. No, I was thinking about every other ex. Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

Like, I was just not hopping. That's the Worst when you're like.

[Unknown Guest]

Or just. Or just the number one on the roster. Oh.

[Camila Cabello]

You're like. He's like a real good.

[Unknown Guest]

Like, you're like, I'm just thinking about number one. And you're like.

[Camila Cabello]

You're like, get out. Just leave.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, but you.

[Camila Cabello]

Wait. You went through the whole date.

[Unknown Guest]

I honestly, this is actually crazy. So I had my. I was hiding my hair.

[Camila Cabello]

Were you wearing, like, a beanie?

[Unknown Guest]

I was wearing a black wig. And no.

[Camila Cabello]

Did.

[Unknown Guest]

I was just like, my head really hurts.

[Camila Cabello]

Camila, you said that you had, like, a headache. Did he know you were wearing a wig?

[Unknown Guest]

I told him. Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

You're like, babe, the wig's really pulling. I gotta go.

[Unknown Guest]

I was like, I gotta go.

[Camila Cabello]

What did he say?

[Unknown Guest]

He was like, yeah, of course. Let's go.

[Camila Cabello]

You're like, no, but, like, alone.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah. I feel bad. I really hope he doesn't see this.

[Camila Cabello]

He won't. There's.

[Unknown Guest]

I don't think.

[Camila Cabello]

But the thing is this. Sometimes in life, it's. It. You gotta just feel the vibes and.

[Unknown Guest]

You know what? Let me rephrase this. Okay. Just in case.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah, just in case. Just in case.

[Unknown Guest]

It wasn't that it was boring. I just was like. My just heart wasn't in it. My heart was with someone else.

[Camila Cabello]

Listen, I think that's fine to say. And I think we, especially as women, need to get more comfortable because how many times are men, like, nah, Shane hot enough? Or like, nah, she's not that you just totally. You just didn't vibe.

[Unknown Guest]

It wasn't. It.

[Camila Cabello]

He's not an amazing person.

[Unknown Guest]

It wasn't a fit. But I am sensitive about ghosting because I feel like you have to be. You have to be kind to people and. But however, I didn't text him back because I was like, I don't know. I don't know. Honestly, if. And if somebody were to say right now, hey, and my friend, actually, they gave me good advice. They were like, don't text him back. If he keeps texting you, then say, hey, honestly, it really wasn't a fit, but it was so nice to meet you, wish you well. But he. He didn't keep texting. So I was like, I'll leave it. But if things had gone on, like, further, then I. I'm not a fan of the ghosting thing. I just feel like it's like, why hurt people? Just be nice. Don't lead them on.

[Alex Cooper]

I agree.

[Unknown Guest]

Let's just. You know.

[Camila Cabello]

And I also, just to clarify for your own conscious, as we're drinking Our wine. That's not ghosting. I don't think so either, right? He sent you one text, you didn't respond. And I kind of love a guy that's self aware enough to be like, just got it. Check.

[Unknown Guest]

100.

[Camila Cabello]

Like, she.

[Unknown Guest]

And also it's like, it's one date, right?

[Camila Cabello]

Like, yeah. Like we didn't like have exactly three months together.

[Unknown Guest]

100. That's crazy when people do that. If somebody. If I was with somebody.

[Camila Cabello]

No.

[Unknown Guest]

And they ghosted me after we were intimate or after we. Whatever. I would be like, you're just like, that's a very unkind thing to do. And I wouldn't want to be with somebody like that anyway.

[Camila Cabello]

What is the biggest red flag that you've ever willingly ignored?

[Unknown Guest]

So many. I mean, right?

[Camila Cabello]

Like so many.

[Unknown Guest]

I don't know. You start. Give me.

[Camila Cabello]

I would say, like, I think when I look back at past relationships, something that comes up for me is like, feeling insecure around him.

[Unknown Guest]

Like, big.

[Camila Cabello]

You should never feel like, oh, my God, I don't want him to see me in the morning if I have like a breakout. Or like, if I do I look good enough for this date. Or like, if I'm on the date, is he looking at other women? Like, when you're with the right person, you would never think that way. And I think that is something I would ignore in this one relationship I had where I was constantly feeling like I wasn't good enough. And it's like, why? Like, I am.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah. I think that's a big red flag. Is like how you feel. Like that's just such a big temperature check in relationships. Like, I've been in relationships before where I'm like, if I am miserable for this long.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

There is just something off. And some. Every time I've been like, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me. Oh, my God. Oh, my God, it's my. What is it? What am I? Oh, my God. Blah, blah, blah. But it's like a lot of the times it's like, it's. It's just not right.

[Camila Cabello]

I agree.

[Unknown Guest]

It's not right. It's like, if I feel so much better when I'm not with you, and then when I'm with you, I feel miserable and overthinking and anxious every time, then we are just not right. And then I think you kind of keep going because you, you have this, like, hope or some ideal of what the relationship is. We can work on it. We can. This weekend. This weekend. And it's like, sometimes it's like you have to temperature check. Like.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah, just like. It's not right.

[Unknown Guest]

It's not right.

[Camila Cabello]

Have you ever been cheated on?

[Unknown Guest]

I actually, I'm lucky to say I have not been cheated on.

[Camila Cabello]

That's amazing.

[Unknown Guest]

I know. That's amazing. Maybe I. I really don't think this counts, but I was like, 17 talking to a guy, but I don't think that counts.

[Camila Cabello]

Have you ever had someone go through your phone? That's a yes. How did you see them checking it?

[Unknown Guest]

I had deleted some texts.

[Camila Cabello]

Right.

[Unknown Guest]

And they were like, why did you delete this text message history? Got it with another person. And I was like, my phone deletes things. Like, I was like, young, and you're.

[Camila Cabello]

Being a little shady.

[Unknown Guest]

I was being a little shady.

[Camila Cabello]

And then they caught you. But that's where it's so. Because you're like, who's in the wrong? And then it's like the meme of Spider man where it's like, I was.

[Unknown Guest]

Definitely in the wrong.

[Camila Cabello]

Okay. Okay.

[Unknown Guest]

Sure.

[Camila Cabello]

I love that my phone deletes things.

[Unknown Guest]

Oh, I. Terrible.

[Camila Cabello]

That's such a bad lie. It's amazing.

[Unknown Guest]

I was like, I've never been. To this day, I don't think I've ever been so scared in my life.

[Camila Cabello]

You're like.

[Unknown Guest]

I was like Apple. My phone just like, deletes messages. Like, whole complete message. I don't.

[Camila Cabello]

I don't know.

[Unknown Guest]

But I honestly, I broke up with him literally three days after.

[Camila Cabello]

Okay, that's good. That's good.

[Unknown Guest]

But, you know, shit happens. Life happens.

[Camila Cabello]

It happens. Okay, we're going to play rapid fire. If you had to trade lives with any celebrity, who would be.

[Unknown Guest]

It's. I. I honestly would say no one, really. I like my life. Love. What about you?

[Camila Cabello]

I. I don't know why this just came up for me. I don't know if it's the wine.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, go.

[Camila Cabello]

But I was gonna say, like, maybe like, Meryl Streep.

[Unknown Guest]

Interesting.

[Camila Cabello]

I think.

[Unknown Guest]

I think I. I mean, it would be amazing to be, like, one of the best actresses in the world.

[Camila Cabello]

I think it's more because I think if I was. Had to pick a celebrity, I would want someone that's, like, not in the public eye and, like, chooses to not. She's never being paparazzi. She's never.

[Unknown Guest]

No.

[Camila Cabello]

So Meryl Streep. Okay. We're moving on.

[Unknown Guest]

No, that's a good one.

[Camila Cabello]

Okay. Okay. Have you ever had to lie to your friends about a guy you were seeing?

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah. Oh, my God. All the time. Like, not all the time, but like, I love this TikTok that I see. It's like, like your friend is like, you, like, show them, like a terrible text and it's like, and what did you respond to him? And you're like, like, when. My friends are always like, my friends are cold as. Cold hearted.

[Camila Cabello]

Those are good friends.

[Unknown Guest]

Sometimes they're like, dude, how could you text him back? Don't text him. Don't do that emoji. Don't. I'm like, oh, my God, I didn't know you guys were mean. But they're very.

[Camila Cabello]

But it's good they're keeping you in line.

[Unknown Guest]

Oh, my God. Yeah, because I'm like the opposite. I'm like, I'm a dumbass.

[Camila Cabello]

I get it, I get it.

[Unknown Guest]

I'm an idiot.

[Camila Cabello]

I was just going with it. What is your biggest insecurity?

[Unknown Guest]

My biggest insecurity? Like, internal, external, whatever, whatever. This is just. Is probably the wine too. And I saw this Jodie Foster, like, interview. Like, I was reading it yesterday. Congrats on your New York Times article, by the way. Oh, my God, thank you. I didn't read it because I didn't want to make myself nervous before the interview, but I love the New York Times. And I was like, oh, my God, there she is. But I saw this one New York Times or New York or whatever, like, Jodi Foster interview, and she was like, for somebody who values privacy so much, I really want to be understood. And that really resonated with me. I feel like my insecurity is like, I don't know, some like, childhood thing of, like, being like, I don't care if people get me. I don't care if people. Whatever. I'm just gonna be myself. But at the same time really wanting people to understand me and you not dislike me or whatever. So I don't really know. I think it's like a general insecurity of, like, probably, like, being seen and then not loved or whatever.

[Camila Cabello]

I think that is one of the most relatable feelings. Like, I think we all can try to put up a front of, like, I don't care about, like, the mean comments or this.

[Unknown Guest]

I tried to not care, but we care at the same time.

[Camila Cabello]

It's like, like, yeah, we're humans.

[Unknown Guest]

I want love from people. Right?

[Camila Cabello]

You know, and you want people to understand you because, like, I can tell you have such a good heart that, like, it's a difficult balance of, like, people seeing things online. And then you're like, I can't run to defend Myself every moment.

[Unknown Guest]

No, not at all.

[Camila Cabello]

Tough. When you are being perceived in a way that you're like, that's not accurate. That's infuriating.

[Unknown Guest]

It is, it is. There's a lot of surrender. Like, you have to really let go.

[Camila Cabello]

If you're spicing it up with lingerie. What color are you wearing?

[Unknown Guest]

Ooh, I think black.

[Camila Cabello]

Morning sex or night sex?

[Unknown Guest]

I honestly love morning sex. I like both. But there's. And my favorite is actually, like. I love, like, an afternoon vibe because it feels so, like, European. It feels so, like you're, like, not working and it. It feels like, so primal in a way. Like, I don't have to work, right? Let's just, like. Let's just, like, eat fruit and, like, and coitus.

[Camila Cabello]

It's so good. If you're going home with someone, are you going back to his or is he coming to yours?

[Unknown Guest]

I prefer him coming back to mine for sure.

[Camila Cabello]

Biggest turn off in the bedroom.

[Unknown Guest]

I don't, like, like, silence and like. Like, just, like, no passion.

[Camila Cabello]

Yes. I need, like, going through the motions.

[Unknown Guest]

I hate going through the motion. I'm like, why are we even doing this, right?

[Camila Cabello]

Why aren't we, like, making eye contact? Why aren't we making out? Like, why aren't we.

[Unknown Guest]

Why are you saying things to me? Like, let's, like. You know what I mean?

[Camila Cabello]

Yes, I get it.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah. To me, I'm like, I would rather not have this favorite sex position. It depends on the vibe, and it depends on the energy of whatever's happening in that moment. Like, it's. There's, like, in love sex, and then there's, like, kind of freaky.

[Camila Cabello]

Yes.

[Unknown Guest]

Vibes.

[Camila Cabello]

Yes, I get it.

[Unknown Guest]

You know, I think different. Different strokes for different times.

[Camila Cabello]

I get it. Okay.

[Unknown Guest]

Literally.

[Camila Cabello]

I gotta ask what your opinion is on getting back with an ex.

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[Camila Cabello]

I got to ask what your opinion is on getting back with an ax.

[Unknown Guest]

I'm. Personally, I think it's known. I'm a fan. I support it. Supported in the past.

[Camila Cabello]

Cheers.

[Unknown Guest]

Cheers. What about you?

[Camila Cabello]

I think it's so it.

[Unknown Guest]

I personally think it's helpful. It's helpful because I am not a person. You can't forbid things from me because I will want to do it more.

[Camila Cabello]

Yes.

[Unknown Guest]

If I tell myself some of my friends are really good at that. They're like, well, not gonna text them because blah, blah, blah. I'm not like that. I'm like, if I want to text him, I'm gonna text him.

[Alex Cooper]

I agree.

[Camila Cabello]

I completely agree. You know, I've gotten back with exes. Even if I know it's not gonna work, sometimes you need that.

[Unknown Guest]

You need to know that it's not going to.

[Camila Cabello]

And it needs to be on your terms.

[Unknown Guest]

And then you need to be over it, and you need to be like, I did it. And I've. I know, I know, I know, and I know.

[Camila Cabello]

Okay, so I have to just say it?

[Unknown Guest]

Yes, sure. If I could.

[Camila Cabello]

Okay. So it looked. It looked to the world like you and your ex, Shawn Mendez, kind of like, dabbled with the idea of getting back together about a year ago. Yeah. What was going on?

[Unknown Guest]

You know, I think it's like what we were just talking about. Like, just like. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, it's Crazy, because I just, like. I'm kind of, like, impulsive in that way. I would say, like, I feel like if I feel it, I say it.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

And I'm not really good at not doing that, like I said, because then the worst place for it to live in is my mind.

[Camila Cabello]

Totally.

[Unknown Guest]

And then I'm like, you know, Ryan Gosling in the notebook, building a house for this person. So I would rather say it and, you know, see what happens, and then wake up the next day and find out that it's been heavily documented. I just, like, went. I opted for that route. But, you know. But it is what it is. It was a great route. It was a fun time. It was a fun moment, and, you know, and I will always care about him and love him. He's such a good person. And I'm lucky, you know, because some people have exes that are awful and, you know, and he is not. He's a really kind, good person.

[Camila Cabello]

When you rekindle something with an ex, I've done it myself, I find. And I don't know if this is for you. I find the second breakup is always a little bit easier than the first initial because it's kind of already been over.

[Unknown Guest]

Yes.

[Camila Cabello]

Then you try to rekindle again. How did you guys make this huge decision to be like, okay, we're moving on?

[Unknown Guest]

I think it was just, like. It wasn't even, like, a. A decision. I think you just kind of are like, yeah, this doesn't really. It's not a. It's not a fit. It doesn't feel right. And I think luckily, you know, I was in a place in my life where it took me less time to realize that, like, it took us both less time, like, to be like, this doesn't feel right, and we don't really need to, like, try so hard to, like, make it work. Like, it's all good. Like, this is not feeling good. Like, let's be friends. I love you. I love you. It's all good. Let's move on. You go do your thing. You go do mine. Become the person that you know that you're becoming, and I'll root for you. And that's it.

[Camila Cabello]

You know, getting back with an ex for a moment, it is sometimes helpful because it makes the first sting less hurtful because you. You kind of relived it for a second. You're like, check. Still not right. We can kind of now, like, fade off and be like, it wasn't. It wasn't what we wanted, and that's okay. You Know.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah. And I think the worst thing that you can live with is like a what if or a doubt.

[Camila Cabello]

What is your take on the idea of right person, wrong time?

[Unknown Guest]

Wow, that's a great question. I don't think that there is such thing. I feel like if it's the wrong time, it's, It's. It's not right. It doesn't matter if it's. I think right person, wrong time is still a way of keeping yourself tied to the person. And it's almost like right job, wrong time. It's the wrong job.

[Camila Cabello]

So true.

[Unknown Guest]

You know?

[Camila Cabello]

So true.

[Unknown Guest]

Like it's like when you say it like that, you know you're right. There's just no such thing. Like I feel like I, I really, I feel like if. If it's the wrong time and that makes it a person that's. I love like just the simplicity of like it sounds so clinical and non romantic but like it's just not a fit.

[Camila Cabello]

Like when I met Matt, I was like, this isn't the right time. Like I really wasn't really a relationship and I really didn't want a relationship. When I met Matt, I was like, fuck. But I. We made it work. There's no such person.

[Unknown Guest]

Because there's no such. I feel like there's no such thing really. I mean maybe there is such thing as the. I mean maybe wrong time could be classified as like long distance or you're going away or whatever. But. But then in that case it's. It's just, it's not right.

[Camila Cabello]

Right. Right. Like if.

[Unknown Guest]

Period.

[Camila Cabello]

If it's right person, you will find a way to make it work.

[Unknown Guest]

Yes, you will.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

100.

[Camila Cabello]

What do you personally think is the most difficult aspect from past experience of like going through a breakup?

[Unknown Guest]

I think it's like the, Like a long term breakup.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah, I think it's like that.

[Unknown Guest]

It's really just like the, the like where does the love go? Vibe. You know, like you have so much like care and love for this person and it just, it really does feel. I've luckily up to this point in my life I haven't experienced loss. Like real loss, but it feels like loss. But that person is just still out there and it takes your own restraint reminding yourself why it's not the right thing.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

To like keep you away from texting that person or whatever. And also it's like feels very out of your control because sometimes it's like I just, I wanted it to be this person so bad. Like I wanted it to be, but it's not. And that feels really hard to let go. Like, to be like, I really wanted this to be it, but the fact that it's not that I can't make this person who I wanted them to be. It's tough. It's really tough. Like, you really. It really feels like, like you can't always get what you want kind of thing.

[Camila Cabello]

I do kind of love how you said that, though. It's so true of like, where does love go When I'm thinking of, like, what would my answer have been? I'm like, kind of similar where you're like, how did we love each other so much? And now it's not going to work and we know the reasons it's not working, but like, we loved each other so much. Like, how do we just, like, float away from each other and like, that's it.

[Unknown Guest]

It's like, where does the energy go, right? I find like, it was so funny after, like, there's been breakups where after I'm like, I tell my best friends, I'm like, can I just, like, hold your hand more and like, be more, like, touchy with you? Because that's like a big love language for me, as you've probably seen in videos, is like, touch, physical touch. And even like the touch starvation after. And you know what I mean? It is really hard.

[Camila Cabello]

Totally.

[Unknown Guest]

Like, I'm like, can we just hold a hand? Right?

[Camila Cabello]

Like, that's when it gets tricky when you go through a breakup of like, do I miss him or do I miss the things that came with having someone that I was in love with? And that's really hard to discern of like, I miss my a best friend. I miss someone that's like, going to hold me and like, hold my hand.

[Unknown Guest]

It's usually that I think for me in the past, I agree. You know, and that's where you really have to be. Like, I didn't get what I wanted. I really wanted. I really wanted this person to be this. I really wanted us to be this.

[Camila Cabello]

But it's not.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, it's not.

[Camila Cabello]

For all the girls listening, I'm curious if you have any advice. I've been through it. I think social media makes it so much worse. How do you handle from past of like, when you know you and your ex are moving on at different paces, how.

[Unknown Guest]

Oh, my God, it's the worst.

[Camila Cabello]

Oh, I'm like, I. I be out here stalking. It's just like, how do you handle it? I don't even know if you have advice.

[Unknown Guest]

Like, I really think it's like, I have been an absolute psycho. Absolute psycho.

[Camila Cabello]

I love you for admitting that.

[Alex Cooper]

And aren't we all?

[Unknown Guest]

And honestly, even worse, when I was younger, when I was younger, I would be dating a guy and like stalking his ex. What is wrong with me?

[Camila Cabello]

Everyone raise your hand.

[Unknown Guest]

I still, I still, honestly, I definitely, like, we all been a while since I've been in like a long term relationship. But God, I was like, he's like telling me he loves me and meanwhile I'm torturing myself over somebody like he's not even with anymore. It's like so crazy. The torture. I think, like my advice would be I've gotten better at this is like I'm a big like mindfulness, like kind of Buddhist practitioner person. Not practitioner person. That sounds so fucking weird. I know. Like, what? But I think like, like self compassion is really important when it, when it comes to that stuff. It's like I could do something that's gonna really hurt me or I can put the phone down. It's really hard. But you almost have to do it out of kindness for yourself.

[Camila Cabello]

And I think like giving ourselves grace. Like, it is normal to want to be interested in that. Like, I think it's so annoying when people are like, oh my God, you like stalk your ex. It's like, oh, you literally, you. It's like if this person was in your bed, you used to have sex, you were intimate, you were in love. Like, of course there's moments where you're like eating a french fry one day and you're like, oh, what is he up to? It's like you, it's natural. Just like you're wondering what kids from middle school are up to and you go on Facebook to look also, like.

[Unknown Guest]

The people that don't admit that. I'm like, oh, please. Like, you're not fun to talk to. Where is your up human size crazy? We're.

[Camila Cabello]

Let us see crazy breakup sex. Are you a proponent? Has it helped you in the past? Does it ruin things for you?

[Unknown Guest]

So what does breakup sex mean?

[Camila Cabello]

Like, you're like, this is over. Oh, but yeah, and then you do it one more time.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, of course.

[Camila Cabello]

And like, have you found it makes it more messy or is it more like, okay, I feel like if you're.

[Unknown Guest]

If you're wanting to have breakup sex, you're probably going to hit each other up next week. Like, there's still something there, you know? And like I said, I'm sorry. I'm a proponent. Like, I don't believe in the forbidden fruit. If you Want it, do it. Kind of like date them till you hate them vibe. I don't actually hate anybody, but I'm saying do it until it's out of your system. And my friends really don't agree with this. They're like, you're an idiot and we hate you. And don't ask me for advice anymore because I'm sick of you. But it's been helpful for me. And, you know, and. And I also think the. I think the hard part is like, sometimes you do waste some time in that way. Like, you, like, are still entertaining something and maybe there could be somebody out there that's better.

[Camila Cabello]

I think the point to close out the dating chapter is like, yeah, everybody that's listening, like, don't feel shame if you go back to an ex.

[Unknown Guest]

No.

[Camila Cabello]

But protect yourself in those moments of just knowing, like, what there could be an end date and just like, just be okay with that. And maybe there's not an end date. Maybe you guys are going to stay together forever. I think it's just like, no.

[Unknown Guest]

Why? Know why?

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

You still keep going back. Is it the sex? Is it the chemistry?

[Camila Cabello]

Is it the emotional connection?

[Unknown Guest]

Is it your self esteem? Is it whatever? Because I think, like one thing that I feel like I'm always trying to do, I'm not trying to whatever. The risk of sounding. I'm not trying to sound preachy is like, I feel like always doing the inner work and inner questioning of like, why am I doing. Why am I doing this? Why am I doing this? And if you still want to do it, do it totally. But just know why you're doing it, why you're doing, like, what you're getting out of it.

[Camila Cabello]

Your new music is on the way, which everyone is freaking out about.

[Unknown Guest]

Did you hear it?

[Camila Cabello]

I did. So I was at the hairdresser and I'm like, where do I listen to this? And I'm holding it to my ear and I'm listening also. Like me obviously interviewing you. I was like, trying to listen to the lyrics.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

I'm like, what is she trying to.

[Unknown Guest]

Do, by the way? Which I love.

[Camila Cabello]

It's so good.

[Unknown Guest]

Thank you.

[Camila Cabello]

It's everything because it's so raw and it's so real. And I wanted to ask you just like, what has it meant to you in the writing process and everything?

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah. Well, I think this is like my. I love this quote by this poet, Rainer Maria Rilke, that's like, live your questions. Oh, have you ever heard of that?

[Camila Cabello]

No. I love.

[Unknown Guest]

I read this book. It was actually in Covid time. And it's called Letters to a Young Poet. And there's this poet that's asking him, like, he has so many questions, and I think he's like, probably in his 20s. And he's like, the one advice I can give you is to live your questions. And I feel like this was my Live My Questions album, Live My Questions chapter. And it's like, very really, like, sitting in the discomfort of things and realizing there's not going to be a neat in a box answer. It's like, I feel strong in these ways, weak in this ways, and there's no real clear answer here. But, yeah, like, the album process has been, like, such a journey. And, you know, it started off with me really having that intention of going back to how it started for me, which is just like, you know, sitting with myself and, you know, really, like, getting back to that first, like, passion of songwriting and, you know, like, nerding out over references and artists and poetry and whatever, and really tapping into that and then finding the collaborators that would really help me. I worked with, like, this amazing producer named Pablo Elgincho, and he really championed that for me. And whenever I would get kind of nervous or doubtful about, like, you know, should we bring any other co writers in the room? Or whatever, he'd be like, no, this sounds like you got this and we got this and, you know, we can do it. And he brought in Jasper Harris, and three of us kind of like, made this whole project and it turned into, like. I'm excited for you to hear the whole album because it really is, like, kind of almost turned into, like, this very, like, solidified songwriter voice for me that became kind of like a Persona and a world.

[Camila Cabello]

Oh, wow.

[Unknown Guest]

This is the first time I've really done that with an album where it's, like, has its own kind of color palette and mood and aesthetic and sonic vibe. And, you know, it's like, very. It became kind of like its own world. And then obviously, like, you know, the people that I. That I'm like, a huge fan of, like, there was so many artists that kind of came in and, you know, it's just been, like, so fun and amazing.

[Alex Cooper]

It.

[Camila Cabello]

I'm so excited for you because when I just read some of the lyrics, it feels like we're actually just, like, inside your brain, like, reading your diary almost, in a way. And I love how so much of it felt. You're right. Of, like, this back and forth of, like, where your brain goes when you're in the middle of situations. And it Felt so real. And, like, when I was reading it, I'm like, oh, my God. I've experienced this in my life before, too. It was very relatable, but the way that you were able to articulate it was just fabulous. And I think.

[Unknown Guest]

Thank you.

[Camila Cabello]

So many women, specifically, I think, are gonna be like, you're speaking from my experience. Yes. I've loved this, and it's really cool.

[Unknown Guest]

It's also really cool because, like, the album aesthetically and even, like, so many of the themes in terms of it, it's like, you know, there's a lot of, like, lip gloss and nails and whatever. It's like, very hyper femme. Yes. Which is so fun because it's like, I feel like I'm really tapping into the fun of, like, the feminine experience and. And sensuality and like, even, like, the things that we do, like, the, you know, like all those, like, different.

[Camila Cabello]

The hair.

[Unknown Guest]

The hair.

[Camila Cabello]

No, it's so good. And I'm so excited, personally, to hear the whole thing, but I'm excited because I think people. The beauty of conversations like this is like, I haven't really seen you like this online where, like, I know you really are like, our girlfriend. Like, I feel like we're all friends with you now, and I get you and I, we, like, you're. You just feel like someone that is very, like, relatable.

[Unknown Guest]

That's why I wanted to do this podcast, too, because I was like, I feel like it's, like, very for the girls, and I feel like my album is, like, very, like, for the girls. And also, like, my. So much of it was, like, in spite. It's so much of me and who I am is inspired by my friends and. You know what I mean? And, like, that dynamic and, like, you know, drinking wine and talking about, like, whatever the worst sex you've ever had. Like, that's, like, you know, that's very.

[Camila Cabello]

That's life.

[Unknown Guest]

That's life. That's the best part of life.

[Camila Cabello]

What message do you hope fans take away from this album when it comes out?

[Unknown Guest]

Oh, that's a great question. I really think it's. Live your questions, and I would add a bonus to that is I think it's, like, really embracing the playfulness of it. Like, the playfulness of being alive, of being a girl. And I think that's honestly why so much of this album has themes like, I don't know, like, sex or whatever is because it's playful and it's.

[Camila Cabello]

It's playful and it's hot.

[Unknown Guest]

It's hot and. And Being hot is fun.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah. Like, some of the lyrics, I was like, oh, Camila.

[Unknown Guest]

Like, oh, well, I think it's like just like this spirit of, I think, freedom and, and like, just like ownership and really just like owning your life and I don't know, just like being. Being free and being you.

[Camila Cabello]

I am so excited for you. The Daddy gang will support you the minute this comes out. And I can't thank you enough for sitting down. I know that you don't do this often and, like, you're a fudgeing pro. I could do this with you all day.

[Unknown Guest]

Well, me too. And I knew that it would happen like that because I really was like, yeah, I was listening to your stuff and I was like, oh, this is a girl that, like, I would be friends with, you know? But thank you for real, for making me feel so comfortable. You're so kind and I love you. And I love this one. And I love you too.

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