Catherine Paiz: My Husband Cheated with 20 Women

Summary

Call Her Daddy Podcast Summary: Catherine Pies – "My Husband Cheated with 20 Women"

Episode Release Date: May 28, 2025

In this revealing episode of Call Her Daddy, host Alex Cooper sits down with Catherine Pies, formerly of the highly popular Ace Family YouTube channel, to discuss her tumultuous marriage with Austin McBroom. This in-depth conversation delves into the complexities of their relationship, the public's fascination with their life, and the devastating impact of Austin's infidelity.

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1. Introduction to Catherine Pies and the Ace Family

Catherine Pies and Austin McBroom launched the Ace Family YouTube channel in 2016, quickly becoming pioneers in family vlogging with a subscriber base soaring to 18 million. Their content showcased every facet of their lives—from engagements and pregnancies to daily routines and milestones.

Catherine Pies (01:12):

"We were essentially the first family vloggers to ever do it. People were so obsessed with us."

Despite their seemingly perfect life, rumors of financial struggles and Austin's infidelity began to surface, leading to their eventual disappearance from social media two years prior to this episode.

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2. The Beginnings of Their Relationship and YouTube Journey

Catherine recounts how she met Austin at an all-white attire party shortly after moving to Los Angeles. Their instant connection led to a swift relationship, culminating in marriage and the birth of their children.

Austin McBroom (13:29):

"I moved to Los Angeles with this fuel, and when I saw Austin from across the room, I felt like I knew him."

Shortly after Catherine's second pregnancy, Austin suggested starting a YouTube channel, recognizing the viral potential of their family moments. This decision marked the beginning of their rise to online fame.

Catherine Pies (18:25):

"He said, guys, you should really start a YouTube channel. I thought, can we do that? You can make money off your videos."

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3. Integrating Family into Content and Public Perception

As their channel grew, the couple naturally included their children in their vlogs. While initially driven by genuine desire to document their lives, the constant filming began to blur the lines between reality and content creation.

Catherine Pies (20:37):

"We just naturally, organically share our journey."

However, as their popularity surged, accusations of exploiting their children for views emerged. Austin addressed these concerns by emphasizing their intent to authentically share their family life.

Austin McBroom (21:26):

"When we first started, it was so pure intentions. We wanted to make a living while being present with our family."

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4. Financial Mismanagement and Its Consequences

Despite earning significant revenue—reportedly up to seven figures a month—Austin admits to poor financial decisions spurred by a lack of proper mentorship and business acumen. This mismanagement led to the foreclosure of their family home, a deeply personal and public blow.

Austin McBroom (23:22):

"We were making seven figures a month, but we made really bad business decisions along the way."

The loss of their home symbolized a loss of control over their lives, adding strain to their already rocky marriage.

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5. The Onset of Cheating Allegations

Rumors of Austin's infidelity began when external parties started pointing fingers. Initially dismissing these claims, Austin recounts a pivotal moment when an incriminating text message exposed the truth.

Catherine Pies (32:38):

"When the allegation started, did you bring it up to him at all?"

Austin McBroom (34:48):

"I heard a long text that said, 'If you really love your wife, you wouldn't be.' It was clear evidence of his betrayal."

This realization shattered the facade of their united public image, leading to intense emotional turmoil for Catherine.

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6. Coping with Betrayal and Public Scrutiny

Catherine describes the emotional impact of discovering Austin's cheating, especially while pregnant. The betrayal was compounded by public scrutiny and the pressure to maintain their image as a "perfect" family.

Catherine Pies (37:53):

"I heard that message and knew the emotional relationship he was having with someone else."

Despite the heartbreak, Catherine tried to maintain stability for their children, although this only deepened the emotional disconnect between them.

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7. The Final Breakdown and Divorce

After years of struggling with communication and trust, Catherine reached her breaking point. A significant moment occurred during Austin's boxing match when she realized their marriage was irreparably damaged.

Austin McBroom (76:27):

"When we discussed the divorce, I expressed my desire to do it right, but he wasn't honest."

Their separation was marked by a lack of mutual accountability, with Austin initially denying his infidelity despite overwhelming evidence.

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8. Public Reactions and Rebuilding Reputation

Catherine's decision to share her story and release her memoir has sparked widespread discussion. Austin, in response, has attempted to control the narrative by denying allegations and shifting blame.

Austin McBroom (50:31):

"When I heard the words 'I cheated,' it was healing because it confirmed I wasn't going crazy."

Catherine emphasized the importance of transparency and accountability, highlighting the emotional labor involved in addressing public rumors privately.

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9. Moving Forward: Personal Growth and New Beginnings

Post-divorce, Catherine focuses on healing and personal growth, embracing her new life and relationships. She reflects on the lessons learned from her past and the strength gained from overcoming adversity.

Catherine Pies (94:38):

"Everyone's journey is their journey, and I did what I could at the time."

Austin, meanwhile, discusses his own path to self-discovery, including his experience with ayahuasca, which has profoundly impacted his life and spirituality.

Austin McBroom (87:34):

"Ayahuasca completely changed my life. It's a very powerful tool."

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10. Final Thoughts and Messages to the Audience

In conclusion, Catherine shares a heartfelt message to the listeners, encouraging them to prioritize their well-being and embrace their personal journeys, no matter how challenging.

Catherine Pies (74:27):

"I'm happy I got to sit down and trust you with my story. Everyone's journey is their journey."

Austin echoes the sentiment of forgiveness and emphasizes the importance of moving forward with integrity and self-awareness.

Austin McBroom (85:11):

"Forgiveness is key."

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Notable Quotes

• Catherine Pies (09:12):

  "So many adults reach that place where you're like, what was lacking in your childhood that then you were craving?"

• Austin McBroom (24:03):

  "We made really bad business decisions along the way."

• Catherine Pies (32:38):

  "When the allegation started, did you even believe them when it first started?"

• Austin McBroom (50:31):

  "When I heard the words 'I cheated,' it was healing for me."

• Catherine Pies (94:27):

  "I want to leave a lasting message with them today."

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Conclusion

This episode of Call Her Daddy provides an unfiltered look into Catherine Pies' personal struggles and resilience in the face of public betrayal and personal loss. Through honest dialogue, Catherine and Austin offer listeners a profound exploration of love, trust, and the journey to self-healing.

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Note: This summary intentionally omits advertisements and non-content segments to focus solely on the core discussions and insights shared by Catherine Pies and Austin McBroom.

Transcript

[Alex Cooper]

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[Catherine Pies]

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[Catherine Pies]

Daddy Gang, welcome back to another episode of Call Her Daddy. Today I am sitting down with Katherine Pies. If you are a fan of the Ace family, then you already know exactly what we're about to get into. But for those of you who may not be as familiar with today's guest.

[Alex Cooper]

I'm gonna catch you up.

[Catherine Pies]

Okay? Catherine and her ex husband, Austin McBroom, started the Ace Family YouTube channel in 2016. They were essentially the first family vloggers to ever do it. And people were so obsessed with them, to this day, they still have 18 million subscribers. Okay, so for years, everyone watched Catherine and Austin's relationship play out online. We watched them get engaged, have kids, move into new homes, and they document every aspect of their lives on YouTube. Now, throughout their relationship, there was a lot of controversy, there was financial turmoil, and there were tons and tons of cheating allegations. But to the public, they always put up a united front until they suddenly stopped posting and revealed that they were getting a divorce. For the past about two years, they have been basically not really addressing anything. And there are so many unanswered questions. How often was Austin actually cheating? Was Catherine aware the entire time? What was going on with their finances? And what is the truth behind the drug allegations? So, Daddy Gang, I am excited to give Catherine the opportunity to speak on all of it today in long form for the first time. Let's get into it.

[Alex Cooper]

What is up, daddy gang?

[Catherine Pies]

It is your founding father, Alex Cooper.

[Alex Cooper]

With Call Her Daddy.

[Catherine Pies]

Catherine Pies, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

[Austin McBroom]

Thank you.

[Catherine Pies]

Okay, we've got a lot to talk about. Obviously, you and your ex husband, Austin McBroom started the ACE Family, which quickly became quite literally the biggest family YouTube channel ever to exist. And then suddenly you guys went dark. And I think everyone has a lot of questions which we're going to get into. But first, I just want to know, how are you doing?

[Austin McBroom]

I'm doing good. I feel like I'm in a new place in my life and I'm just so excited just to, like, be free with myself and just be authentic. Not that I wasn't authentic before. I just feel like I'm at just a new stage in life. Yeah.

[Catherine Pies]

You and Austin's last video together was almost two years ago. I know. I didn't even know that almost two years ago.

[Austin McBroom]

Okay, that's crazy.

[Catherine Pies]

Which is crazy because I feel like for so long, people watched you every single day. Like, you were on our screens for so long. So to go for two years. It's been a long time. Why are you ready to talk about all of this now?

[Austin McBroom]

I think for me, it's like I was. I felt silenced for so long, and it wasn't like someone was silencing me. I was silencing myself. And I think that for all those years of just not being able to just speak freely and just, like, really sit with myself, it was really hard, Alex. It was really hard. And I think that now I'm just so healed from all of my experiences, not just my relationship, all of the traumas and all the experiences that I faced early on in my life, I've just healed so much through all of them. Truly.

[Alex Cooper]

Like, actually truly.

[Austin McBroom]

And I just feel so alive. I feel like I can really just be myself. And it's okay, you know, it's. It's. It's okay to be me and sit with myself. And I wrote a book.

[Catherine Pies]

Yes, you did.

[Austin McBroom]

I wrote a book about, you know, some of the experiences that I had early in my life, into my, you know, into my adulthood. And I think through my healing and through writing of this book, I really just, like, came back to myself.

[Catherine Pies]

That's really beautiful because I think so many people always say, like, why now? To people. And I actually was interested to know, like, why now? And I can feel your energy. And like, I think a lot of people who have been Your fan for so long have wanted you to get to this point in your life. But I do know a lot of it is a little messy because I just obviously saw some chapters got released of your memoir. And then you have your ex husband, Austin, coming forward, and he's already commentating.

[Alex Cooper]

On, this is a lie.

[Catherine Pies]

This isn't truthful. This is exaggerated. How did you feel when you saw him kind of publicly coming out and trying to put down, essentially, this book?

[Austin McBroom]

Yeah, I feel like that's already an indicator of why I never expressed myself, you know, through all those allegations of cheating and infidelity and all those things. It's like I was so afraid to speak up. I was so afraid to say, I'm an idiot. Like, I just didn't see it, you know? Or I was so afraid to say, you know, I'm trying to hold the very little peace that we have in our family. I'm trying to keep that together. I'm trying to shelter the very little piece that we have, you know? And for me, it was like, you know, I. I'm just. I'm embarrassed. I don't know what's true or not. There's so many things that aren't true. It's really hard to, like, differentiate what is true, what isn't, until I really found out.

[Catherine Pies]

Okay, we're gonna go all the way back because I feel like we know you as the Ace family. We know you as Catherine, a part of the Ace family. But I think it's important. And you talk about this in your book. I want to just lightly talk about your life before all of this. Describe, like, what was your experience growing up in your family dynamic?

[Austin McBroom]

Yeah. So my mom was born in Nicaragua. My dad is Panamanian. They met in Panama. They were teenagers when they met. And, you know, they had a lot of hardship. They had a very toxic relationship, just like any young couple that is new to a country. New language, new everything. They didn't have family. They didn't have friends. And so the first half of my childhood, my dad was a single dad. My mom took herself out of that toxic relationship and moved to Florida. And so, you know, I. I knew she did that for the best of. For the best of the family. And it's interesting. Cause I'm like, I was such a. I had such an awareness even as a child, that I, like, knew, like, she's doing the right thing. You know what I mean? Like, I knew that as a child, and I'm like, I know my mom is doing this for us, you know, for the bigger picture, my parents didn't have much money, you know, really nothing. And I had this really weird relationship with money. Like, I remember thinking, like, you know, my mom would say things like, we don't have the money for that, or we can't do that, or, you know, and I remember looking at her and thinking, I'm gonna make a lot of money one day so that I can do all the things that I want to do, and I can support you and I can support my family. And it was like, this drive that I had inside of me.

[Catherine Pies]

So many adults. You get to that place where you're like, what was lacking in your childhood that then you were craving? Because whether you had friends that had it or you were told you couldn't have it, then it's almost like that goal in your head, which then we'll get to, because then you eventually got all of that. And sometimes it doesn't mean that that is the thing that brings you happiness. But when you're young and you have this vision.

[Austin McBroom]

Totally.

[Catherine Pies]

It's like you're going to go for it no matter what. Yeah. I'm interested, though, hearing you talk about your parents having a toxic relationship. Like, how did their marriage impact you at a young age of, like, how you viewed love?

[Austin McBroom]

Yeah, hugely. Oh, my God. That's such a good question. You're so good at this.

[Catherine Pies]

Thank you.

[Austin McBroom]

Stop. Okay, So I feel like when my marriage was going downhill, we didn't have good communication. That's one thing I, you know, I take full accountability, is I had the worst communication, and I'm still working on it. Today. I think I've gotten a lot better. But when I look at my parents, I thought, I don't want to be another couple that doesn't make it. You know, I want to. I want to be. I want to have that traditional love. You say your I dos and you're in there for, you know, till death do us part. That was, like, kind of my. The way that I saw it, you know, also having children, you know, you want your children to grow up with both their parents. And that was my dream. It's like, I want to be able to have that family. And when we had it, you know what I mean? And I thought, oh, my gosh. Like, I remember one morning, I remember thinking like, did I make it? Like, looking around, I remember, did I make it? And I was like, well, why do I feel so empty?

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[Catherine Pies]

Let's talk about Austin. Can you tell me how you guys met? Like, how did that all go down?

[Austin McBroom]

Yeah, I moved to Los Angeles. I had this fuel to move to Los Angeles. I Was super excited and I bought a one way ticket. My friend invited me to an all white attire party. And I walked in and I saw Austin from across the room. Austin McBroom from across the room. And I looked at him and I thought, I don't know why, but I feel like I know him. So interesting. And she introduced us and we shook hands and that was it. And then I. I took an Uber home and I didn't, I didn't talk to him. So about a month later, he had messaged me on, I think like Twitter or something. He was like, hey, I'd like to send you something. And I didn't respond. So a month went by and then he messaged me again and he was like, hey, I'd like to take you to dinner. And I almost didn't go. I was like, I don't know why, but something's telling me to go. But I'm just like, I don't know, I don't know. And so I'll never forget that morning. He was like, so. Oh. He goes, do you like sushi? And I said, no. He's like, okay, well, me neither. But I got us a reservation at Nobu Malibu. And I said, okay, that's nice. Like in my head, I'd never been there before, so I'll go. So we go and we're sitting across from each other, you know, we're by the ocean and we're talking. He was asking me a lot of questions about me. I thought that was really nice. You know, he's a young college student. It was like he was going into senior year of college playing D1 basketball. And he's talking and all of a sudden, like, I just don't hear anything. And I'm like, oh my gosh. That is a person that I'm gonna have children with. And that is a person that I'm going to marry. And I knew it in that moment, like nothing could tell me otherwise.

[Alex Cooper]

What was it about him?

[Austin McBroom]

It was just a feeling. It was just this feeling. It's like this inner knowing. And I thought, I just know it's him.

[Catherine Pies]

Okay, you write about in the book that the first time you have your first kiss is the same day that you both also say I love you. Were you nervous at how fast it was moving? No, no. Why?

[Austin McBroom]

Because it was just meant to be. I saw this thing recently. I don't, I don't know who said this. I'll find out and let everyone know. But she said, when you meet the one, or when you meet someone that you're meant to be. Be with you. Skip the dating phase. So it's like we just went from, like, meeting each other to being like, we're married kind of thing. You know what I mean?

[Catherine Pies]

Who said I love you first?

[Austin McBroom]

He said it first.

[Catherine Pies]

Did you say it back immediately?

[Austin McBroom]

Immediately.

[Catherine Pies]

And so it didn't freak you out at all? You didn't feel like it was, like, love bomby at all. You were just like, this is. This is it.

[Austin McBroom]

This is it.

[Catherine Pies]

If you had to pinpoint it back then, what do you think was different about Austin compared to all the other guys that you had dated?

[Austin McBroom]

Well, one, he doesn't care what anybody thinks. And I think I find that so attractive. And I feel like that's like my inner self is like, I don't give a shit what anyone thinks. But he was like, that person for us in our dynamic, you know, taught me a lot. I also think, you know, he's very. He's just very motivated. He's a very motivated person. And I just. I was just so attracted to the fact that he was so free with himself. And I never met anyone like that. The only person that I know close to him is my brother. And I always said, oh, my God, you and my brother need to meet, because you guys are so much alike.

[Catherine Pies]

How soon into your relationship did you get pregnant?

[Austin McBroom]

Like, two months. It was so quick. It was so quick.

[Catherine Pies]

And what was your reaction? What was Austin's reaction?

[Austin McBroom]

So it's interesting because the day before we found out, we were at a restaurant, and his friend just had a baby. So he was showing me the newborn photos, and I was looking down. I was like, oh, my gosh. Like, would you. Would you want to start a family one day? He's like, yeah, like, I would love to have kids one day. He's like, you know, maybe in the future, you know, and he goes like, we'll start a family one day. And I was like, I. Like, I know. Like, I feel it. You know, I feel. I feel family for us. Just. I just knew it. But I didn't know I was pregnant already.

[Catherine Pies]

How did you tell him?

[Austin McBroom]

He was right there in the room. I. He was in the room. He was sitting on his belly, you know, scrolling on his phone. And I thought, you know, I feel. Feel nauseous. You know, I feel kind of sick. And he thought, oh, maybe we should take a pregnancy test. And I'm thinking, like, nothing's gonna happen. And I took the test, and immediately I stood up. I didn't even think about it. I just stood up. Hey. And I threw the. Threw the stick at him by, like, close to him on the bed. And he's looking at. He's like. I'm like, yeah, I think we're pregnant. And he's. And it was. The lines were very faint, so we couldn't tell for sure, but just his reaction.

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah.

[Austin McBroom]

And just the way I slept. I slept so good that. That night, I didn't think about it. I'm thinking we're good no matter what.

[Catherine Pies]

You started this YouTube channel, obviously, shortly after that, she was born. How did you guys decide to do this?

[Austin McBroom]

So when he was in college for that last year, I decided to move in with him. I was pregnant for that whole year. And he had a roommate, like, someone that was kind of there just to help with that last year of college, because he was playing, you know, D1 basketball, and he was still going to school. And then, you know, I was pregnant. And so he was kind of just there to, like, keep tabs and make sure that everything was good. And he was the one that said, hey, guys, like, you guys should really start a YouTube channel. And he's like, you know, your videos are going viral on Facebook, and people are making money off of them. And I'm thinking, like, what? Because we would make, like, cute little homemade videos, you know, of him talking to my belly or just us being funny and goofy or whatever. And he's like, people are taking your videos and monetizing your videos. Why don't you guys make your own videos? And I thought, can we do that? You can make money off your videos. I'm like, what? Like, that's so crazy. And at the time, you know, his dreams were to play in the NBA. And that summer, you know, he. He got with the wrong agent, and he did a couple tryouts, you know, one with the Lakers, one with the Knicks, and just. It didn't work out. And we thought, what are we gonna do? Like, either you go play overseas in Greece or something. We move the bait. We go the whole. As a family, and. And. But nothing is, you know, in. Set in stone. Like, we don't know what that looks like. And so then that's when we were like, let's start YouTube.

[Catherine Pies]

Back in the beginning, once Elle was born, whose decision was it to make her a part of the content?

[Austin McBroom]

It just came naturally. Yeah. Because I didn't film my birth with Elle. It was like, you know, we just. Private, you know, just. I mean, we filmed on our phone. You know, we weren't making a vlog. And I think, like, it just made sense because we are so hands on with our child and we might. I was not going to get a nanny. I'm like, I'm going to raise my daughter, you know, I'm. I'm finally have my daughter here, you know, And I thought, well, we can make content with, with our daughter. You know, we can just naturally, organically share our journey.

[Catherine Pies]

Did you have any hesitations in the beginning or later on about putting your kids on camera?

[Austin McBroom]

Never. And you know why, Alex? Because back in the day it was really new, like YouTube. It's been a thing for a while, but we were really like that, like, I hate to say the word, but I feel like we kind of pioneered that like, family vlogging experience. You know what I mean? It's like we were the first to do it at that magnitude in that way. And it was like I. It was like when this monster of like social media was starting. You know, sometimes I think back and I'm like, oh my God, am I part of that, this craziness that's going on now in the world?

[Catherine Pies]

You know, because obviously I'm sure you've seen it, but like, there are people that accuse you and Austin of exploiting your kids. Like, what do you say to that?

[Austin McBroom]

Yeah, I just think that, like, when we first started, it was so pure. It was like pure intentions. It was like, obviously we want to make a living, you know, like anyone wants to make a living, you gotta work. But it was more like we're just being present with our family, our daughter. And it's interesting because we would make these elaborate videos and we found out very early on that people enjoyed our family vlogs, our simple family vlogs sitting on the floor. Those would get more views than our like, big elaborated videos we would spend money on and doing. So it was just like, well, people just want to see us. They just relate to us. Maybe they see themselves in us.

[Catherine Pies]

So much of your success is through your children. Like, did you guys have a big conversation about setting them up with money and like putting money away for them? Or was it more just like, it's all the families?

[Austin McBroom]

Yeah. No, they have their separate bank account. I actually very early on in my career, I think 2017, when Elle was about a year old, we got her a bank account, you know. Yeah, I think that those were the conversations and things we were having. But in terms of like exploitation and stuff, like, that never crossed our mind. That was like, like, I don't. I just feel like we were just the beginning of something new.

[Catherine Pies]

How do you feel about it now?

[Austin McBroom]

You know, we're in the age of technology, and, you know, it's like there's no right or wrong. I don't think, like, I think that, like, if people choose to keep their private, Certain private things away from social media, that's beautiful. And I think that if some people choose to do it the opposite way, I think that that's beautiful, too. I think that everything's meant to be the way that it's meant to be.

[Catherine Pies]

Once you guys kind of started really becoming yourselves and people know, knew the Ace family, like, on a good month. Can I ask, like, how much were you guys making?

[Austin McBroom]

So there was a period we were making, like, we were making seven figures a month. To me, it. It was like I was numb to it truly. Like, it was just, like, it didn't make any sense. I was going through this phase in my life where I just felt so disattached. And now I look back and think, oh, my God, I would have done so much with that. I would have invested. I would have bought my mom a house, my dad a house. I would have done this, this and that, and it' We. We just didn't have the right mentors. We didn't have the right tools. You know, we didn't have. We had a lot of yes men around us, and we just made really bad business decisions along the way.

[Catherine Pies]

Once you guys started filming everything all the time, when did it start to feel like you weren't just filming parts of your life, but you were living to film and get content? Like, when do you think that switch happens? Because I feel like for a lot of creators, yeah, it happens.

[Austin McBroom]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. There was moments where I'm like. Because, you know, like, big reveals and stuff. Like, people want to watch those. That's a great clickbait. And so, you know, it was genuine for a long time. It was like, okay, like, he's genuinely surprising. He's genuinely proposing to me. Like, it was like, wow. Like, this is so crazy that we can capture such a big milestone, big moment, and we can actually look back on it too. Like, it's filmed. But then also having so many eyes on you. I didn't know back in the day. Back in the now. I know, but I didn't know that I was not protecting myself. But the moment that I realized where I don't know if this is real or not real, I don't know. That must have happened genuinely. There was, like, a big moment for me. It was when my second daughter was born. I just felt this disconnection, and it was like, I actually don't want to film this, but, like, I know that people are waiting for it because they've invested so much. And there was this fine line of, like, do I put my foot down and just, like, live in the moment, or do I also. So. And then he was holding the camera, so it made it easier. But then it was like, is he here, though? Is he present? So that. That was, like, a big moment for me.

[Catherine Pies]

And did you end up releasing a video?

[Austin McBroom]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Catherine Pies]

How did you feel about it?

[Austin McBroom]

I was just, like, really numb and empty at the time. Yeah.

[Catherine Pies]

Did you ever find that you started to not be clear if Austin was doing romantic gestures for you because it was. He was filming it so it would look good for you guys as a couple, or were you, like, wait, is he actually doing this romantic gesture and he just happens to be filming?

[Austin McBroom]

Oh, totally. Yeah. There was moments where I'm thinking, like, I don't know, like, you really surprised me, you know, or is like. And then it was like, me kind of having to follow with that, like, surprise, and then I'm like, I feel like I'm a clown in a circus. You know what I mean?

[Alex Cooper]

Right.

[Catherine Pies]

Because you couldn't just naturally be like. Like, if. If my husband surprises me, of course I'm gonna be surprised. But then you kind of, like, chill for a second after me. Wait, when did you think of this? But you have to. You see the camera. So then it's like, keep it going. Call the kids down. Get everyone around. Let's run to the backyard. And it's like, you're a production.

[Austin McBroom]

Yeah.

[Catherine Pies]

And it's theatrical.

[Austin McBroom]

Mm.

[Catherine Pies]

Which feels like you probably were on this hamster wheel where it's like, you can't get off this ride almost. And you. Did you and Austin ever have a conversation being like, let's set boundaries of, like, what we should keep private and what we shouldn't?

[Austin McBroom]

There might have been moments where we kind of talked about, but to be honest with you, not really. Like, I just. We didn't have that communication within ourselves. Yeah.

[Catherine Pies]

In the book, you write that Austin made a lot of financial decisions without asking you, and that it was so extreme, you would check your bank accounts and see six figures missing. Where was all the money going?

[Austin McBroom]

Yeah. There was moments where, you know, I'd see some money coming out, and it was, you know, to pay this, pay that. And it was like, I didn't feel like I was having that like, wife. Like that partner, that husband and wife conversation about our finances. And it would be heartbreaking to look at the bank because I was very well aware of what was in there. And it's like, where did that go? Like, what. What's happening? Or, like, one thing as well? It's like little things that, you know, things that I would never think to pay for. Like. Like a private jet, for instance. You know, that personally, for me, wasn't something I would ever do. Like, if I had never met him, I would have never been on a private jet. Today, I'm like, probably never, you know, because I'm thinking, like, I'll just. Just take a regular flight. But little moments like that.

[Catherine Pies]

But it seems. Which makes me sad for you, because I feel like that, unfortunately, is a lot of people's experience where you're like, I didn't feel like it was a partnership when it came to finances. And yet you were 50. 50 and making all this money. Like, did you ever go to him and be like, austin, I feel a little bit in the dark here. Like, we need to have.

[Austin McBroom]

For sure.

[Catherine Pies]

And how did he react when you would bring that up?

[Austin McBroom]

Oh, you know, I'm sorry. You know, I didn't want you to walk. Worry. And I don't know, I just feel like, you know, I. I get it, but it's like, that's not what a marriage is about. A marriage is about talking about these very deep things that really affect, like, our children and our future. And, like, you know, when you make certain investments, the goal is to make. At least make your money back. Yeah. You know, and so that was really stressful for me. That really caused a lot of stress and strain in our relationship.

[Catherine Pies]

That's what I was wondering, because I know you write a lot about the home foreclosure that you guys went through, which was so public and so many people were talking about it of, like, are they broke? What's happening? And you put a lot of the detail beautifully in the book. But, like, overall, when you look back at that moment in your life, what did losing that house represent to you?

[Austin McBroom]

So leading up to that moment, we. I felt like there was a lot of things that I was losing control over. Right? My family, my relationship, our career, everything. Right. There was a lot of narratives and things that were being said, and I. And, you know, I kept. I was really strong, and I was like, you know, I'm going to be strong, and, you know, I'm going to keep fighting. And we have our home. You know, we have our Home. Our kids are happy, they're healthy, we're healthy. Everything's fine. And so one day I wake up and I get a phone call. It's my father in law. He said, catherine, the house is under foreclosures all over the news. And I'm like, what do you mean? What do you mean? He goes, well, your loan ended. And no one's gonna. It's a jumbo loan. No one's gonna accept you. You don't have the certificate occupancy. But I'm like, but I've been paying the mortgage every month for three years. Everything we. What do I need to do? What do I need to pay? I'll. I'll save it. What do we need? There's nothing you can do. It's under foreclosure. It's gone. You have a 30 days to move out. Oh my God. Yeah. And it was heartbreaking. I. I cried in ocean. And it's crazy because out of all the things that were happening in that era, that was the thing that really broke me because I was looking for a home my whole life. It's like I just wanted to feel like I'm at home.

[Catherine Pies]

Can you explain to me? Because I'm sure people are really confused and want a little bit of clarity on like, there was so much going on behind the scenes, obviously that people didn't know. Like, what was it really like between you and Austin when the cameras were off?

[Austin McBroom]

When the cameras were off. I wouldn't say that there was much of a change. I think if anything, at least I can speak for myself. I feel like I was pretending, you know what I mean? It's like I feel like I was just so disconnected from myself. Not like everything around me, but like within myself, you know? And I was like, all of this happened so fast. Like I gave birth. We started YouTube channel. It grows overnight. I'm a new mother, I'm newly married. There's all these, these eyes on us. There's so many people that want things from things from us. And you know, it just, it was just a lot of things. And so when the cameras were off, it was more like, I'm just going to sit here and breastfeed my baby and just like scroll on my phone. Like, I never went out, I never hung out with my friends. I hardly saw my family. I was in a really dark place.

[Catherine Pies]

Let's talk about the cheating allegations. So over the years, there were so many different allegations of Austin cheating on you. And it was a pretty constant conversation online for a Couple years at first. How much attention were you giving to these rumors and did you even believe them when it first started?

[Austin McBroom]

When it first started, my heart sank. I'm like, oh, my gosh. Like, I remember, like, sitting with my oh, my gosh. Like, is this gonna happen? You know, and then it was like, oh, well, I see him, I'm with him every day. Like, we're co parenting, we're married, we're business partners. I mean, when is he gonna have time? But it's really interesting. I was telling my mom the other day, I remember when I was 16 years old, and I walked into a room with the TV was on, and there was a. It was that talk show, Tyra Banks, and there was a lady who said, if a man has enough time to go into the bathroom, he has enough time to cheat. And it just stuck with me. And I thought, does he have enough time to cheat on me? You know what I mean? And so that was kind of like the beginning. It's like, I don't know what's true or not. And, you know, and I'd even have moments where we'd be laying in bed, you know, just falling asleep, and I'd get a text from a random number. Your husband is out at a party with me. And I'm thinking, like, he's right over here. So some. There's moments I didn't know what to believe. There's some things that are true, there's some things that are distorted, there's some things that are not true. So it was really hard to tell.

[Catherine Pies]

And in those moments, did you. Because I know you're kind of saying your communication wasn't great. When the allegation started, did you bring it up to him at all, or was that another thing that you guys kind of were like, yeah, no, no.

[Austin McBroom]

No, I brought it up.

[Catherine Pies]

And what was his response in the beginning?

[Austin McBroom]

Oh, you know, that comes with a territory. And let's not respond because we're just going to add fuel to the fire. And it's not true. I'm like, okay, you know, and.

[Catherine Pies]

And you trusted him.

[Austin McBroom]

I did, yeah. I really trusted him.

[Catherine Pies]

When you look back at the very beginning, like, the very beginning allegations, do you believe even then he was cheating?

[Austin McBroom]

No.

[Catherine Pies]

Can you take me to the moment where you found out about he was cheating? And then we'll dial it back to, like, all the others. But the first big moment, you're like, oh, he's cheating. Where were you? What happened?

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[Catherine Pies]

The first big moment you're like oh, he's cheating. Where were you what happened?

[Austin McBroom]

Yeah, so there was a couple. There's like quite a few moments. Okay, There was a couple of moments where I was like, I'm heartbroken. Like the first one.

[Catherine Pies]

Let's go to the first.

[Austin McBroom]

So, you know, I don't remember exactly the first, first moment because I feel like there's just so many. But there was this one moment I had just had my daughter, my second daughter, she was about six months old or something, and he was like, hey, I have to go to Miami for a meeting. And. And I go, please. And I'm, you know, I'm the type of partner where I love for my partner to feel free. Like, I trust you. Go. You want to go on a trip? You want to go, boys, trip, whatever you want to do, go. Like, that's just my personality. Now I look back, I'm thinking, like, I should change, to change some things up a little bit and care a little bit more, right? But at the time, I just had a baby. I was tired, I was filming every day. I had another baby and a take, taking care, changing diapers, breastfeeding. I breastfed all my kids five years straight. So super exhausted, super tired, you know. And so he said, I want to go to Miami. And I said, you know, you go, you go on your trip. And I remember calling my mom, and my mom saying, I would never let my husband leave when my baby's just a couple months old. Like, you're. I don't know, you're different. I'm thinking, oh, well, I don't know. I was like, you know, I think he deserves it. He's been working so hard. He edits. People don't realize he edited every single video on our channel. We didn't have an editor, so I thought, you know, he deserves to go out. Like, it's okay. He wants to go on a business trip, whatever. I remember that business trip like it was yesterday. That business trip, he called me quite a few times where I felt like, you're calling me a little too much. Like I was just like, I don't know, like it's okay, Go have fun, you know? And he pocket dialed me accidentally. And I heard women in the back. There's a couple women. And I thought, okay, well, okay, well, I guess my husband's hanging out with women. Yeah, I'm thinking, whatever. Hung up the phone, continued my day. A couple of months go by and this blonde male makeup artist makes this video on YouTube talking about my husband and how he was in Miami. And there was this group of people and there Was all these girls, and there was this bow and all these. And to be honest with you, till this day, I never watched the video, But I have gotten that, like, information from some good friends who watched it for me and were able to, like, process it for me and help me process it. And I was pregnant in that moment, and I had to. I had to listen to that. And I. Nobody knew I was pregnant. I was having my son. And I. And I remember bawling and thinking, is this true? And even if it's not true, why are people saying this? This is, like, so detailed. And, like. And I believed. You know, I didn't believe the horrors, but it was like, am I. Am I just being stupid right now? Like, am I just really not sitting with this? Or am I. Do I. Do I vindicate him? Do I vindicate our family? And that's what I did. And I think back at my old self, I think, poor girl. Like, I wish I could hug her today. Like, she was just going through so much, and she. The old version of myself just wanted to protect that little piece we had in the family, you know? And I would see it in his eyes. And I'm thinking, like, I don't know, like, something's not right, but I'm gonna have a baby, and I have to focus on the baby right now. So I wasn't sure, right? And that was a big moment for me because there was some things that were being said that just. It just made a lot of sense. It was all adding up, you know what I mean?

[Alex Cooper]

And did you confront him?

[Austin McBroom]

Yeah, I did, but not in a way where I was like. It was more like, how do we fix this? Because this is not true. And he's like, yeah, that's not true. Da, da, da. That's. You know, what this guy, and he's making things up, and, oh, my God, he's trying to extort me and this and that. And, you know, some of those things were true, some of them weren't. And I thought. Thought, how do we fix it? And I was. I was just lying to myself. I knew deep inside something didn't feel right.

[Catherine Pies]

Yeah.

[Austin McBroom]

But then a couple months later, I was. We were filming this thing called Vlogmas on YouTube. People film every day for the month of December. And we had done it. You know, it was like a commentary I remember we would do every winter. And this was in December. And I was. You know, at that point, I was, like, about three months pregnant with my son. I didn't know I was having a boy Yet. So I just, you know, I was pregnant. I wore baggy shirts and like, you know, like, I'd wear bigger shirts because I didn't want anyone to know. Yeah. I wanted to keep it to myself, especially because there was all this like, negativity going around about him.

[Catherine Pies]

Yeah.

[Austin McBroom]

So I'm like, I'm just gonna keep this to myself. And then there is this moment that changed everything for me. We. Oh, I had a dream. I have a lot of dreams. Very symbolic. I'm sure you do too. Yeah, I had a dream where I was walking into my bedroom. The. The bedroom I was sleeping in. We had this massive, long, ten foot bed. I'm walking into the room and there's this. He's sitting in the bed and there's a woman with this beautiful blonde hair. And I just see the back of her and she turns around and she's this demon. And I woke up from that nightmare and I was, I was crying, I was like, oh my God, that was the worst nightmare I've ever had. Like, I literally. There was a demon on my bed. And the whole day felt eerie. It was so eerie. It was so weird. And I didn't tell anybody and I was just like, that's so weird. Couple of hours later, we start filming and we go to this studio to get my daughter's first haircut. She was a year old, she's getting her first haircut. And he, you know, our assistant, who is Austin's friend from back in the day was there. It was Austin and myself and our daughter. And we walked in, you know, there's some fans and they were like, can we take a picture? And I'm like, yeah, yeah, like, let's finish filming you doing this and we'll take the photo. So they're all waiting there and you know, everyone in the salon knows who we are and stuff. So it was just, you know, regular moment where they're filming, he's filming our daughter's first haircut. And I'm kind of like, like I'm taking photos for myself, for my phone, you know, like, oh my gosh, like taking the photo and then like a movie, my camera, I mean, my phone dies. It just goes black. And I look at him without a thought and I go, give me, give me, give me, give me your phone, give me your phone. Let me take a photo. Because you know we're gonna miss the moment. She's getting her first haircut as soon as my hand grabs that phone. Mind you, had never never looked in his phone ever, Ever, Never I grabbed the phone, and it felt kind of weird because I'm, like, holding his phone, right? Like, it just felt odd because I knew maybe there had maybe things he was hiding. I didn't want to look.

[Catherine Pies]

Yep.

[Austin McBroom]

As soon. Alex. As soon as I grabbed the phone. No. Like out of a movie, this long text comes through. If you really love your wife, you wouldn't be. And I. I, like, my. My brain scanned it, but I wasn't able to read it fully. But in that moment, my heart drops. I'm pregnant. There's people watching us. The camera's on. It felt like. It just felt surreal. The assistant looks. Notices. Looks at him. He grabs the phone from me and instantly deletes the message. And I thought, oh, my gosh, it's true.

[Alex Cooper]

Oh, my God.

[Austin McBroom]

Yeah. And I was calm, very calm. And we've. You know, we paid and we finished. I. I wasn't in my body anymore. My. Like, I wasn't on earth anymore. We walk out of the store or the salon, and I said, austin, who was that? And he's like, it's nobody. It's nothing. Please tell me who that was. I saw the text, and I. I kept replaying what I could have done. Should I ran to the bathroom? Like, should I, like, take. Like. I'm like, what should I have done?

[Catherine Pies]

I, like, tackle him and rep. Read it.

[Austin McBroom]

Like, oh. Like, I was like, I didn't get to fully read it, but you saw.

[Catherine Pies]

Enough that it said, if you really love.

[Austin McBroom]

It was an emotional. I saw enough to know instantly this is an emotional relationship he's having with somebody. This is a woman that is having a relationship with my husband. And we got in the car, and, you know, then my voice got a little. Who was that? Oh, like, lower your voice. The kids. And I'm like, okay. And I'm calming myself. The kids are in the car. Let's like.

[Catherine Pies]

Like.

[Austin McBroom]

I mean, it's. Have grace, right? It stays strong, poised. Get home. We get home blacked out. I was, like, yelling, screaming. Tell me, please. Please just tell me who that was. Please just. I feel so stupid. Just tell me I'm having a baby. Please, just tell me. And I ran out of the house. I got in my car and I just started driving, and I didn't know where I was driving. Just driving, crying in ocean, bawling. I couldn't even see where I was driving. And I thought, I need to park somewhere. So I couldn't. Went to a park, parked at the park, put my hands in the wheel, and I said, God, if you hear me? Please tell me what to do. And in that moment, it's so interesting, because I knew that one day I'd have a son and that I would name him Steel. There was, like, this inner knowing. And when I had that conversation with God, and I. I was really just, like. Just like a. A point of just. I'm surrendering. Just tell me what to do. And. And I heard this voice, and it was like, you are having your son. There's a reason you named him Steel. You have to stay strong for this whole pregnancy and just don't make any impulsive decisions. Just keep going. Just keep this in the back of your mind. It's gonna. It's. It's gonna live there, and it's gonna. It's gonna. You're gonna see, everything's gonna make sense, but don't make any big decisions right now. And I went home, and I acted like nothing. Acted like nothing. I was. You know, I was. I didn't talk to him for a couple days. I think that was the longest we'd ever gone without talking since we met. I think. I think we went, like, two, three days. And then I texted him, and I was like, we need to talk. And we went. We. We took a drive. We met in the middle of a street, and he got in the car and he told me who she was, and he showed me, and I was like, okay, so that was the girl you were talking to a couple months back. Now it's all making sense. Like, you said you were talking to a girl that needed help with Snapchat. And I'm thinking, like, why is a married man talking to a woman about Snapchat? Like, Snapchat wasn't even monetized in the day. Like, what are you talking about? Like, what are you doing? Like, okay, this is making sense. Okay. This is making sense. Okay? So I thought, okay, well, what do we need to do? Like, how can we. How can we move on from this? Like, what do we do? Like, I was like. And I didn't tell him this at the time, but I thought, I can forgive him because he's crying out for help. And I can. I. Because at the time, I was. I wasn't religious. I. Still not religious. You know, I'm. I'm. I believe in Christ, but I'm not bound by, like, religious structures. But I was very like, you stick to your husband. I was very, like, traditional in that sense. And I don't know who made me like that, but I was just that way. And I thought, okay, maybe I can forgive him, you know. And so as the days went on, you know, then we went to a trip to Hawaii. Someone said we should go there because, you know, that's where the heart chakra of the planet is. And, you know, maybe we can get some healing. And so we went to Hawaii. And then that's when I had posted that I was pregnant, thinking, like, I'm getting bigger now. I need to post. And, yeah, it's. It's a. It's a secret that I was carrying inside of me, and I wanted to, like, scream out loud that I was going through this, but I couldn't.

[Alex Cooper]

Listening to you say this, though, Catherine.

[Catherine Pies]

Like, so many times now, you've said, the minute you find out, you're like, how can we fix this? How can we fix this? And I think it does connect to what you've been saying of, like, you're on this hamster wheel. You're out of your body, you're all this happened to your life, and you're just going. And you can't even, like, stop to be like, are you okay? Like, do you. It's almost like you. It sounds like you weren't even, like, feeling like you were just like, how do we fix this? It's like, almost like your business. You're like, how do we fix this and move forward. How do I say by my man and move forward. I'm wondering, though, when you're saying all this, like, is he apologetic in the car when he's speaking, or is he keeping it more, like brushing it under the rug? It's not that big of a deal.

[Austin McBroom]

I'm going to be honest with you. It never felt apologetic ever. Yeah. And you know what's interesting is, even through our divorce, even through everything, I never heard him say the words I cheated. Until about a week ago when that first chapter of my book came out, I've never heard him say the words I cheated. And when I heard the words, I was like, oh, my God, finally I heard it. Thank you so much. That was all I was waiting for. Thank you. That's all I needed to hear. You could have just said it to me. You could have just been honest with me and just told me, but it was like I was being gaslighted. Like, it. Like it wasn't actually happening. And it was like. And, yeah, I think that finally hearing those words was so healing for me because it's like, I wasn't going crazy. Like, it was everywhere, everyone was saying it.

[Catherine Pies]

Why do you think he decided to finally say those words? Just because you were officially calling him out that.

[Austin McBroom]

And because now I understand the bigger. The whole picture. I get it. I think a common theme for him was because if you really think about it, what kind of woman sleeps with a married man whose whole identity is based on being a married man and having. Being a family man? You know, So I kept thinking, I kept going through those things as well as, like, women are really like that. Like, women. And so what I was thinking was, he must have been telling this woman that I didn't care. And in that video he, he posted last week, out of everything he said, I mean, everything was false, right? Or distorted or whatever. But. But the one thing he said that really, really just like, it was like a, like a punch to the gut, was that he said that I was. That, yes, I cheated. And she was okay with it as long as he said, as long as I said, you don't embarrass me. And that is not true. I never, ever, ever said that. I would never say that. And I would never want my kids to think that that is okay to cheat on your husband or your wife. And I will make sure that I raise them and that they know that. They never, ever do that, because that is so wrong. And you never cheat on the person you love. And I would never in a million years say that. So that was really hurtful that he, that he said that. Because I'm like, are you. Just accept it. People would understand that better.

[Catherine Pies]

He's putting the blame back on you. That's him taking no accountability. Think about that. The first time he acknowledges that he cheated, the end of his sentence, he can't just say, I cheated. Yes, I cheated because she told me, just don't make me look dumb. AKA you were allowing him to go and have all these relationships and you're sitting here being like, like, I would.

[Austin McBroom]

Never, Alex, I would never do that.

[Catherine Pies]

And I think now also understanding, like how you write in the book, you kind of talk about, like, once the first you really got the concrete evidence, then more came out. Like, how many more did you find out about?

[Austin McBroom]

I know, like, I know personally of women. Like, I, like, don't know them personally. Like, as I'm. I'm friends with them, but I know who they are and I would never say their names. Yes, Never, never, never, never. I would never, you know, I'm not that kind of person, but I know of many.

[Catherine Pies]

Many as in, like, I know for sure of three.

[Austin McBroom]

Like, for sure, for sure.

[Alex Cooper]

Have they ever reached out to you?

[Austin McBroom]

No, but they're out there in the world acting like that never happened, probably. And I know the truth.

[Catherine Pies]

How many do you think there are?

[Austin McBroom]

I don't know. I. I saw some headline things saying he said there was 20 or something. I don't know if that's true or not. Yeah. Because I didn't watch his full video, but I don't know if he did say that. Kind of trying to cover himself.

[Catherine Pies]

Yeah.

[Austin McBroom]

Because I think when he saw the beginning the. The first chapter of my book, he thought maybe that I wrote a lot more about him, but I kind of didn't, in a sense, like, to be honest with you, it's a memoir about my life. But I will say that when you write a book, you always, always put the. The hardest part of your journey in the beginning of the book. Right. To catch the reader, to really draw them in. That's just something that, as writers, is common. And so he really got it backwards.

[Catherine Pies]

I want to ask you. There were some, like, viral cheating rumors that I want to just, like, get your opinion on. Tana Mojo recently revealed that she covered for Austin after you found lipstick in Austin's car. What really happened there?

[Austin McBroom]

So she. She covered for him, which I believe that it's probably true. Definitely happened, because I remember we had a Lamborghini at the time. I never drove that car. And I got in one day as a passenger, and I noticed there was a lip. Lip liner. Lip. Lip liner, lip gloss, something like that. And it wasn't mine. And I thought. And I. I'm like, who's this? He's like, oh, so and so. Got in my car the other day, and, you know, his girlfriend was on the lap, and I drove them down the street to get into their car, and I just said. I. I'm like, I don't believe you. Like, at this point now, I'm. I'm. I don't believe you. Right. He's like, I'm gonna call him right now. And so I guess she was there. And, yeah, I think, you know, I think her publicly talking about that is hurtful. Why didn't you call me? Message me, tell, oh, hey, girl, I was there on that phone call. I just want to let you know, you know that wasn't true.

[Catherine Pies]

It was also rumored that Austin would hire nannies so he could sleep with them when you weren't around. Do you know if this is true?

[Austin McBroom]

No. We never had a nanny.

[Alex Cooper]

Never had any grandma.

[Catherine Pies]

Okay. Did you ever get confirmation if the infamous yacht orgy happened?

[Austin McBroom]

Yes, I actually did. Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

Wow.

[Catherine Pies]

And that was when he butt dialed you that weekend.

[Austin McBroom]

That was that weekend, yeah.

[Catherine Pies]

How did you get confirmation?

[Austin McBroom]

Through a friend who's married to a guy that was physically there.

[Catherine Pies]

Wow.

[Austin McBroom]

Yeah. Years later, by the way. Yeah. When it didn't matter anymore, it just like, I was like, oh, really? Oh, okay. That's supposed to me, right? You're like, I guess it did. It happened.

[Catherine Pies]

Did Austin really bring his mistress to a charity event you guys threw together at the Staples Center?

[Austin McBroom]

Yeah. So there was this girl, the girl that I was talking about earlier, the one with the long text. So that was her.

[Catherine Pies]

Since that information came to light, Austin has completely denied it. Said. Said he would have never brought a girl there. That never happened. Like, what do you say to that?

[Austin McBroom]

To me, it's like, why lie about that? But now I know, like, you can lie about a lot of things that aren't true. So I'm like, okay, well, because the thing is, is that I knew that writing this book, there would be some kind of, like, retaliation or some. Some things that are said. I knew that, you know, something would come from this, obviously, because, you know, I wrote a book. I didn't know what magnitude that I wasn't aware of. But it's interesting because I saw it and I thought, this. This is not me. You know, like, this is. I'm past that. Like, I truly feel like it was a test. Truly. It's like, you, Austin, you could have handled that differently. You know, you could have said, I saw. I saw. See, she has a book out, you know, and one of the things he said is I didn't tell him about the book. The thing is, when you go through a divorce, you don't really tell someone what you're doing. You know what I mean? And I had been promoting the book for. Actually for two years I've been talking about it. So he had seen it. I think if I would have mentioned the book to him privately, he may have. Want to try to stop me from doing it. So it was just something I didn't. I mean, pursuing me, you know. But yeah, I think that him, He. He could have handled it differently. He could have said, you know, I just saw that Katherine, you know, my ex wife, she has a book out. And he could have said something along the lines of, you know, although I don't totally agree with what she said, you know, there's. I guess there's always different sides of the story, and I wish her well.

[Catherine Pies]

And I'm not proud of the things I did, but we've both moved on and Whatever.

[Austin McBroom]

Yeah.

[Catherine Pies]

I just feel like the staple center moment for him to. To try to say that wasn't true. It's like, again, Austin trying to reclaim this narrative because specifically that I think, because there's footage of you and your family, and it was such a core of who you guys were totally. To the world, it makes him just look like an absolute monster to, like, you. If you're gonna cheat, can't you just go do it in private? Like, you have to put Catherine and your children through this. And so I think it must be him trying to reclaim the narrative a little and, like, litigate, like, well, no, I didn't bring her here, but I brought her. It doesn't fucking matter.

[Austin McBroom]

Well, the crazy thing is it did happen, and that's where I found out all the lies. So, like, that moment was a significant moment in my life. So of course I'm going to talk about it. If that was life changing for me, because I was pregnant when all of these things were going on, and I got confirmation from one of his family members saying, I told him not to bring that girl, and da, da, da, da, da. And I'm thinking, like, what?

[Catherine Pies]

You knew, too?

[Austin McBroom]

Too. Like, I'm thinking, like, oh, my gosh. Like, I'm just being blindsided over here. Like, I had no idea. Like, truly. Like, yeah, I've been seeing the rumors and. Right. The narratives, but oh, my gosh, like, why can't you tell me? Like, why don't you talk to me?

[Catherine Pies]

Like, was this before or after the text incident that you.

[Austin McBroom]

That was around the same time.

[Catherine Pies]

Okay. So that's when it all started to, like, yeah. And then to go to this event and have that woman there. And now he's trying to say no. Okay. Austin recently tried to justify all of his cheating by saying, you guys weren't having sex. What was your sex life like at the time?

[Austin McBroom]

So sex intimacy is very, very sacred to me. Like, more today than it has ever been. When I found out that there was cheating, I checked out, and I said, my body is a temple, and I refuse to allow anybody to come near my temple if he cannot be honest and truthful and loyal. And it was like, I'm checked out, and it is true, and I actually wrote it in the book. I put the same exact. Put. Four years. It was four years. It was actually more like five years, if you think about it. Because.

[Catherine Pies]

Five years of what?

[Austin McBroom]

Of not being intimate with him. Because just to be completely transparent and honest, because I do feel like a lot of women and men can Relate to this. But I was going through a lot of postpartum. You know, your body changes. You know, you're breastfeeding and you're taking care of multiple children. And so we. We had my daughter, and then we had. You know, I was pregnant that whole year. And, you know, I was. The cheating allegations, all the things. And I thought, you know, I don't know. And then I got pregnant with my son, and I'm thinking, like, maybe we can make this work. You know, maybe this is not what it all seems to be. And, you know, we had just moved into our new house, and we're like, you know, maybe. Maybe we can have a. The family that we're always meant to have. You know, the family that we're portrayed of the world. You know, maybe we can really be that. That. And I got pregnant, and then that was a. And then I found out he was cheating on me, and that was it. That was a. Never, never, ever, ever, like, never again. Never again.

[Catherine Pies]

And did he pursue you at all? Like, did he try.

[Austin McBroom]

No. And that's how I knew that there was cheating going on.

[Alex Cooper]

Right.

[Austin McBroom]

Yeah. And, you know, now. Now I know how that's not normal. At the time, I thought, you know, we're going through a lot. You know, there's a lot of bad things happening around us. You know, we have children, you know, and we're overworked and we're tired and we're stressed and we are anxious and all these things. And now I think back, I'm like, even when I would. Like, we would kiss or it just. It was a disconnection, and I thought, this isn't my husband.

[Catherine Pies]

Like, prior to all the cheating allegations, like, did you have, like, a healthy intimacy life with him?

[Austin McBroom]

Yeah. Yeah. I think that that's what part of, you know, our love and our bond, it's like we are so deeply connected, like, in all ways. And yeah, I. I'm a. I'm a huge part of this problem, though. It's like, I take it full accountability on being in a relationship with someone and not also pursuing intimacy. Because although I was disgusted and I didn't want, like, to be intimate, I didn't have these very serious conversations, like, hey, maybe we should go see a therapist. Like, maybe we should do couples therapy. Maybe, like, this is a normal going, like, another year without being physically intimate. It is such an important part of a marriage.

[Catherine Pies]

In a relationship, was it the cheating that really broke down your marriage, or were you guys rocky before you found out? And with the allegations, it was A cheating.

[Austin McBroom]

There was nothing else could handle anything.

[Catherine Pies]

I have to ask. Austin said you weren't having sex because you believed you were the Virgin Mary reincarnated. What is your response to that?

[Austin McBroom]

It's really hurtful because it's just such a strange thing to say. For years in my spiritual journey, I would, you know, everyone in my circle and everyone knows how deeply connected I am to Christ and to Mother Mary. More than ever today, I feel like I can connect to her always. And I think that's just his way to just throwing jobs, just trying to make me look crazy, you know, try to paint a picture of she's crazy. Yeah, it's just. It's honest kind of sad.

[Catherine Pies]

During all of this, I think this is something that's very sadly relatable. But you didn't confide in anyone, right? For most of the time. How did you decide not to tell your mom or anyone?

[Austin McBroom]

My decision was solely based on. And the fact that I didn't want that to change people's perception of him because I thought that we could heal and we can get to a better place. I didn't want to say something and then them, like, have so much information. At the end of the day, it's almost like gossip. Like, gossiping. And I truly believe that gossiping is poison. And so I thought, this is my marriage, and I'm just gonna keep it to myself because I need to figure it out within myself. When I decided that I wanted a divorce, that's truly. When I told my parents and my family, it's like, I want to get a divorce, and they were very supportive of me.

[Catherine Pies]

But was it, like, eating you alive.

[Alex Cooper]

Holding this on by yourself?

[Austin McBroom]

Yes. And for a while, it was. But I felt at one point, I'm like, everybody knows. You know, it's like, everybody knows. It's. It's. It was like it started to become so obvious.

[Catherine Pies]

I. I do think. Which I'm interested to hear your opinion on this. Like, I think there was a point where the public was almost shifting to being, like, so frustrated almost with you, because all of these women are coming forward with, like, pretty detailed, tangible stories, and you guys are posting, like, a united front. Nothing's going on. How do you think not acknowledging all of it publicly impacted your reputation?

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[Catherine Pies]

How do you think not acknowledging all of it publicly impacted your reputation?

[Austin McBroom]

It deeply impacted my reputation. I feel like I was like in a fishbowl and like I couldn't like it's like all these eyes pressing in on me, and I'm thinking, like, oh, my gosh. I don't know, do I. Do I protect or do I say my truth? And then my whole life changes, you know what I mean? And it's like, I always thought about my kids first. Like. Like, I need to be a mother to them. I need to mother them. Their mother needs to be happy, healthy, laughing, playing Like, I don't want to. I don't want to, like, have two separate homes right now. I don't want to have to figure out what I'm gonna do for a living now. Because we've been doing this for almost 10 years. You know, we've been doing this for so long. And it was just me trying to just, like, navigate that with myself. Like, I didn't want to make these big. Make impulsive decisions publicly.

[Catherine Pies]

And I think that's totally fair. I think, like, I get why people would start to be like, hello. Like, do you know? Like, what are you doing? Like, say something or leave or say, I'm staying with him. Even though I think there was moments.

[Austin McBroom]

Where I'm like, I'm gonna leave tomorrow. Like, I'm gonna do this tomorrow, and I'm. I'm just not gonna look back, and I'm just gonna go and I'm gonna find a place and. And, you know, it. We won't film, and people are going to wonder what happened to us. That, like, I had those moments. Yeah, I had those moments. But I think what was the hardest part about all of it was that he would never admit to it. And I thought, well, if you're not admitting it to me, you're not going to admit it to the world, right? So that was the hardest part, right?

[Catherine Pies]

It's almost like you were in this, like, gaslighted situation where this person is telling you it's not happening. And even though in your heart you know it's happening, you also are presenting as united front to the world. And it's like, am I gonna say it? And then he's gonna deny it, even though the whole world knows it. And I've been. And I'm pregnant and I don't want to leave, and I have kids. Like, it's such a complicated situation. And I get with social media, people just judge on the surface. I've done it.

[Alex Cooper]

You know what I mean?

[Austin McBroom]

Another thing, too. Alex is another big thing that I had in the forefront of my mind. And I look back and think, like, oh, my gosh, I shouldn't have been Thinking like that, but I felt like if I. Like, if I broke the family, I'm thinking, like, I'm needing to break the family for this, Then I'm going to break everyone's heart. I'm going to break millions and millions of people who watch us and who sees us as this powerful power couple. And I'm going to break everyone's heart because this isn't real. This isn't true. This isn't what people think it is anymore. And I also didn't want people to bash him because I'm like, as much as he hurt me, as much as I feel like I got stabbed in the back, back. Like, I can handle that, but, like, can you handle the scrutiny and the. The. All this? It's like. And clearly not, because not. My book didn't even come out yet. And he. You know, but for a long time, that was. That was a huge part of why I didn't want to speak up, because I don't want the father of my children to. To get this, like, public humiliation. But then over the years, I thought, well, he already got it. You know, I need to do what's best for me. I can't keep living in a lie. I can't. I can't not address the big elephant in the room.

[Catherine Pies]

I also will just say, and I'm sure so many people watching right now are feeling this, like, I have so much respect for you even trying to protect him, because I think a lot of people understandably, would be like, you, you. And the fact that you. You again, chose to put your family first and not yourself first. And you really looked at the big picture. Like, I think a lot of women, and especially mothers will be able to be like, I think I would do the same thing. Yeah, you talk about a breaking point. Because I think at some point, we're all like, the cheating. And when did you know this marriage was completely over and how did you go about telling him?

[Austin McBroom]

There was a conversation that we had right before he had this big boxing match. He was the. It was like. It was like Arette. And then he was like the main person on the card. And the night before, I felt. I felt like something was about to happen. I don't know. It was like this, like, intuition feeling, like, in my gut, I'm like, I don't know. Something feels really strange about tomorrow. The fight was going to be the next day, and I. We were in the living room, and, you know, the lights were down, the kids were sleeping, and I said, I'm not happy and he's like, why are you. Why are you talking about this now? Why are you doing this now? I have a fight tomorrow. Like, can't you just be a little bit more sympathetic to, you know? And I was like. But I. I had to say it right now. I just. I'm really not happy. Like, I genuinely don't feel good, Austin. Like, I don't feel something doesn't feel right. And. Oh, you know, we can have. We could have had this conversation after and this and that. And then the next day, he got really sick. Right before his fight. He had 103 fever. He was really sick. It didn't. It felt like a message. It didn't feel like he just randomly got sick. No one else got sick. But Austin and I walked into. They were staying at an Airbnb. It was like the whole team, you know, the. Everybody for the fight. And they were getting ready to get in the sprinter. Sprinter van or the bus. And I came in, hair and makeup done. I'm like, hey, what's going on? He's like, come. Come to the room. He's like, feel my forehead. And I'm like, oh, my gosh. Like, you're. He's like, I. I have 103 fever. It just came a couple hours ago. I don't know. And I'm like, well, what are you gonna do? I was like, you can't fight. He's like, no, I. I have to. Like, I can't not. And mind you, we just had this conversation about yesterday. Like, this gut feeling, like something doesn't feel right. And, like, I feel like. Like what happened that night in the fight was very. It was like a mirror. What's going on in our internal life?

[Catherine Pies]

Can you explain just if people didn't see the fight?

[Austin McBroom]

Yeah. So basically, he got really sick. I went out into the floor. You know, we're all watching them on the ring. And he got. The first time he got knocked down, I. I thought, oh, my God, this is the first time I've ever seen my husband crumble. And my heart stopped. And I wanted to scream and cry and yell and just. I hated. I hated that moment. And then there was a voice, and then he got knocked down. It was a second one, and then a third, and then a fourth, and then a fifth. And he just kept standing up. And I kept thinking, oh, my gosh, this is who he is. He always stands up when he falls. And I heard this voice, and it was like, it's okay. He's having an ego death. He has to go through this hold space for him. Everything's gonna be okay. And we left the ring. We got in the ambulance. He was completely disoriented. He just kept saying the words, I need water. And I was, like, yelling at the paramedics, please get him water. He just. He's thirsty. He's thirsty. He needs water. And they're like, no, it's against protocol. We can't give him water. We have to wait to get him into the hospital and check in and this and that. And so that happened. And then the next day, he was feeling better and had I. I grabbed his hand, and I posted a picture of us holding hands. And I was so ready to let go the day before. And I was, like, telling the world, I'm still here for him. And it was like this moment of, like, yes, we are not romantically together in that way, but I still respect him as a father and my children, and no matter what, I will always stand by his side. And it was like, that kind of energy. So then it was almost like I was okay being in the relationship as a. As a family, as, like, I'm here. We're a team. But it was like we were not a team. You were still lying to me.

[Catherine Pies]

When did you tell him you wanted a divorce?

[Austin McBroom]

So we had talked about it a couple times. I never said the words, I want a divorce. I never said that those words ever. Out loud. Loud. We had the last. The last conversation we'd had on separating, we actually talked about him, you know, getting another home, and I was getting another home because we were actually planning on leaving the rental we were at. And you know when you have, like, really deep conversations about making plans and then they just don't fall through? So it's kind of like that kind of thing. And. And then the stress of, like, life and all the things that it brings, you know, so that wasn't like we weren't like. Like we weren't trying to get that done quickly, you know, because usually when it comes to an end, you want to make. You want to get it done. Yeah, Right. But we hadn't reached that moment of, like, it's an urgency. We need to do it right now. When I had that realization that it has to happen right now, I have to stop waiting for the right time, because there's never going to be a right time. The moment is now. And I had that realization when it was on my 33rd birthday. So this is really interesting. My whole life, like, ever since I was a kid, I always said, 33 is going to be the biggest year of my life. And I would say that just, like, jokingly in my mind, and I thought, 33 is going to be the biggest year of my life. And then I turned 33, and I was talking to my dad, and I was like, hey, I really want to go to this retreat in Brazil. And he was like, I want to go with you. And I was like, perfect. Like, me, you and Ryan will go to this retreat, you know? And I booked my flight on my birthday. And in that moment, you know, Austin and I, it was. It was done. We just didn't make the. We didn't put the wheels in motion to officially divorce and separate. But it was there, and it was.

[Catherine Pies]

You knew you were separated?

[Austin McBroom]

We were separated for sure, because it was so obvious. It was like. It was in the air. It was like we hardly saw each other. We stopped filming.

[Catherine Pies]

So there was no, like, big moment that you were both like, we're done. Let's go our separate ways?

[Austin McBroom]

Well, there was, because I went on the retreat, and then when I came back, I had this massive, expansive experience, and I got back, I landed back into la. He picked me up, I got in the car, and he looked over, he said, oh, how was it? And I was like, good. And in my head, I'm thinking, like, Like. Like, he. He. He doesn't understand what I. What. Where I just went, what I just did, how. Like, he doesn't understand. And I thought, that's okay. We just. We're different places vibrationally now. And I was like, if I'm going to say it, I'm going to say it right now. I got in the car, closed the door. How was it? We're driving out, literally driving out of the airport, and I said, I. Austin, I need to talk to you. It's like, hey, what's up? I was like, it's not a secret that our relationship is done and we're both unhappy. You know, I've been unhappy for a long time. I know you've been unhappy for a long time. And I want a divorce. And he's driving.

[Catherine Pies]

Okay.

[Austin McBroom]

It's like, okay. I was like, oh, my gosh. All right. Well, I was like, like, oh, my gosh, I'm so happy. I was like. I was like, you know, I'm on your team, and I love you, and I want to do this right, and, you know, it doesn't have to get ugly. I. I pray I don't want it to get ugly. And. And I said. And. And I said these words. I Said, let's discuss an exit plan together as a team. Like, let's do it together. He goes, yeah, yeah, we could talk about it, you know, And. And I was like. He goes, it's funny because my realtor the other day sent me a house. House that's for rent down the street from. From where we're living now. And I thought, okay, cool. He's like, yeah, it's interesting how life works. And I was like, yeah. I was like, have you seen the house? He's like, oh, I'm gonna see it next week. And I'm like, okay, cool. And then it was just kind of like, okay, like, we're gonna do this.

[Catherine Pies]

Why did you guys never make a video to kind of like talk about your separation? Because that was kind of like your guys thing.

[Austin McBroom]

Well, I didn't want to make a video because if he wasn't telling me the truth without the cameras rolling, he's for sure not going to tell the truth. Truth with the cameras rolling. So I thought, well, I'm not going to do a video with you side by side if you can't say, I cheated on my wife. And, you know, it led us to this path where both, we both have made mistakes. I would share my mistakes, you know, like, I didn't have good communication, you know, I, you know, I wasn't there for him maybe when he needed me emotionally, you know, and all of these things. And I thought, he can't be honest, so I'm not doing the video.

[Catherine Pies]

And then he came out and said that you didn't want him to make his own video explaining the breakup from his point of view. And I guess that kind of answers it because you're like, you're not going to tell the truth.

[Austin McBroom]

He didn't tell the truth. He said, there's things that I regret, but it's like, that could be anything, right? And then, not to mention. So this is the thing about that. And I'm just going to be completely bluntly honest because at this point, just my throat chakras open and I'm just going to be me.

[Alex Cooper]

Let's go.

[Austin McBroom]

When we discussed the divorce, I said I'd really like to do a joint, like, segment. Like, you know, a lot of people, sometimes they do statements, it's just easier, you know, And. And he's like, oh, no, no, I want to make a video. And I said, well, I don't want to be in your video. So I don't. I'm not going to. I'm going to do. I'm not going to do that. I'm going to make a statement. He goes, oh, well, give me a chance to make a video and I'll show it to you. And then you could tell me if you like it. And if you like it, then I'll put posted. And I thought, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm actually curious to see what's in that video. Right. I was really curious. I'm like, make the video. So it took a month for him to actually make it.

[Catherine Pies]

Okay.

[Austin McBroom]

And I'm like, okay, here we go. I get to see it. Oh, my gosh. Like, I'm so curious what he said. And I was in the room, the. In the office room, and I was watching it, and just blunt, like, honest. Honest to God was watching the video. And I thought, this is like social suicide. Like, I genuinely feel like this is going to make him look so bad. And I love Austin no matter what, and I care about him truly. So I'm thinking if he couldn't at least say the truth, because people, like, people love truth. People love when people are honest and vulnerable. And he. He wasn't doing that. It was like he was going around the truth. And I. And I looked at him, I said, I don't like the video. I was like, like, if you post that, go ahead, but if you post that, it doesn't. Look, I'm. I'm just gonna be honest because at that point, it's like, I want to help you, too. I want you to move on in your life, too. I don't want you to be. To have this energy around you.

[Alex Cooper]

Right.

[Catherine Pies]

But people are going to call you out and be like, you're a lot. You're lying. Like, this is a big fat lie. Like, we know you're skirting around the actual thing.

[Austin McBroom]

Yeah. So then I said, I don't like it. So he recorded me saying that.

[Catherine Pies]

Why do you think he recorded you?

[Austin McBroom]

I mean, I'm just finding this out by the way.

[Catherine Pies]

Because you didn't know he was filming.

[Austin McBroom]

No, I think it was because he thought. Well, I'm. I. This is what I think. I think he was never planning on posting the video. I think he made it so. And. And again, I don't know. Right. This is just my speculation. Yeah. I think he made it knowing he wasn't going to post it, but made it so that. Because he knew I wouldn't like it, it. Because he knows me. He knows me. He's been living with me. He's married to me for Years. I'm mother of his children.

[Alex Cooper]

Right.

[Austin McBroom]

And I think he recorded me almost purposely to get those words out of me so that maybe later in the future, if he ever needed it. Wow. And he. Yeah, he. I mean, he got it in 24 hours. He had it there in his phone. It was almost, like, ready to go. And when I saw that, I thought, oh, my gosh, can other people see this, or am I the only one who sees? Like.

[Catherine Pies]

Like, that's crazy that he's, like, secretly recording.

[Austin McBroom]

Manipulative. It's manipulative and it's illegal. Well, that's what I was told, too. And I thought, well, I don't want to go that route, because, I mean, we were filming each other and doing pranks and things.

[Catherine Pies]

Yes.

[Austin McBroom]

Throughout the day. And then he would say, well, we used to film each other. And then the fans would say, well, you guys were always filming each other. And I thought, oh, my gosh, can I. My book just come out? I'm like, I just want to move on.

[Catherine Pies]

Truly, one of the biggest conversations online right now is around your ayahuasca use. When did you start taking it?

[Austin McBroom]

In that really dark period of my life, my marriage was going downhill. I lost my house, my business partners scammed me. Many, many things were happening in our internal lives, our family or friends, all the things. I just had a baby. I was really in a really dark place. And my brother had been doing this. This very sacred medicine work for many years. And he would tell me all the time, you know, Catherine, one day, like, when you're ready, I'll be here for you. And it's a solo journey, and all it took was one night of ceremony, and I had a full Kundalini awakening. I remembered everything. It completely changed my life. So it's a very powerful tool.

[Catherine Pies]

I think a lot of the conversation online because of what Austin kind of said on his Snapchat rant, is about your kids and wanting to know, have your kids ever been in the home while you're hosting at home home ceremonies?

[Austin McBroom]

No, absolutely not. That was a lie. I think that because he knows how sacred and how such. How. How. How much has impacted my life, I think that that was the one that jab that, like. Yeah, I know that means a lot to her. So I'm gonna say this, you know, and. And maybe a couple years ago would have been more hurtful. Now it's more like, oh, you know, just. But. But no, it's. That's not true. True. I think that people will throw stones at things they don't understand. And I think that's what happened with Austin.

[Catherine Pies]

Has anyone ever expressed concern to you over using ayahuasca?

[Austin McBroom]

No. No, never.

[Catherine Pies]

Have you and Austin ever done it together?

[Austin McBroom]

No.

[Catherine Pies]

Okay, can you please explain Austin's allegation that you, quote, turned him into a mermaid?

[Austin McBroom]

Oh, my God, I love this one.

[Catherine Pies]

I literally can't believe that just came out of my mouth. I'm like, no. Is that a thing? Okay, tell me.

[Austin McBroom]

So a couple of years ago, we were always making content. Like, Austin has dressed up so many times as an older woman, as a. Like, just funny skits and stuff. So there was. I. When I started my skincare line, I wanted to do a fun mermaid photo shoot, and I thought, like, oh, my God, this is so cool, because I'm. I'm making. I'm making a sunscreen and took me a couple of years to get here, and I want to do something really fun and exciting. And so we went to Hawaii, and there was this girl that I reached out to that wears, like. She wears, like, fins, and she's like, oh, I have so many, like, we'll do the campaign around the mermaid idea. And I thought that was so cool. So I think that's what he's talking about.

[Catherine Pies]

But you don't think you're a mermaid?

[Austin McBroom]

No, I mean, I think that I'm connected to the. The Mystics and the. The. You know, just these. These different Starseed systems, and I. I'm just very connected. And I think that. That, you know, I. I like to live authentically, and I like to share, like, my journey, you know, And I. I'm just. I'm very connected to these things. But I think when people were just making fun of it and he thought, oh, I'm going to use this and just extra paint her look crazy, you know, and it's like. I think for me, it's just funny now, you know, I think maybe. Maybe a couple years ago I would have been like, oh, my gosh, that's. I hate that he said that, but I don't care.

[Catherine Pies]

There has been a lot of speculation online about an overlap between your marriage with Austin and your relationship with your new partner, Igor. What was the timeline there?

[Austin McBroom]

So I met him on my Brazil retreat, met in the middle of the Amazon. You know, I'm very honest just with my journey. Like, I think for a long time, I was afraid of sharing timelines because I was so in the limelight and on the camera all the time. And it's like the timeline started to kind of Scare me a little. Now I own them. Yeah, it's okay. Like, it was over between us, and it had been many years of us just not having this emotional, intimate marriage that I thought we were going to have. And I'm going to be honest with you, right before I went on that trip, like, the months leading up to that trip, I kept thinking, I have so much baggage when I. When we divorce, because I felt it coming. When we officially divorce, nobody's gonna want me. I have three kids. Like, I'm. Like, I'm, you know, in this space, and people are gonna just see me as, you know, ace family, mom, you know, or whatever. And I thought, you know, who's gonna. Who's gonna take me seriously? And. And I don't want to date. I'm. I don't. I'm not a dating type of person, you know? And I thought, you know, I'm just gonna be alone forever. And I thought, you know, I'm okay. It's okay. Like. Like, I don't need anyone. I'm. I feel complete and whole in myself. And I remember saying that to myself. And in that retreat, you know, I. It was a four. It was. I was there for 10 days, and it was four days of. Of the. The practice. And on the third day, just. I'm like, oh, my gosh. Like, I don't. I don't have as much baggage as I thought I did. I think it was all in my head. I really started to sit with myself. And, yeah, I met him at that. In that experience, it was a friendship. It was, like, never imagined that anything would ever go further ever in a million years. Like, if you would have told me, like, a year ago, two or a couple years ago that I was gonna meet someone, I thought, me. Me meeting somebody who. What does he look like? What does he do? Like, what is. How do you speak?

[Alex Cooper]

Right?

[Austin McBroom]

And I've never felt so safe in my entire life, and I feel like I earned it because I spent so many years just being there and just, like, just feeling empty and just. And I. But I really had to pour into myself. I really had to do that.

[Catherine Pies]

How do Austin and Igor feel about each other?

[Austin McBroom]

I can't speak for Austin because I don't know. I think. I think, like, what he's done publicly to kind of just like, he. He got him a shirt on Christmas that says something about stepfather or something. And I thought. Thought, okay, is he doing this for the. For the Snapchat, or is he doing this because he actually thinks he's step Father Worth.

[Catherine Pies]

Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

You know, have you met Austin's new.

[Austin McBroom]

Yeah, yeah, I met her. Yeah, I met her about a year ago, I think. Yeah.

[Catherine Pies]

How do you feel about that?

[Austin McBroom]

I like her. I think, honestly, I feel like my kids are the best. Like, they're the best judge. You know, when they. They'll come and give me information, I don't even ask. Oh, we just did this with Alexa today. I'm like, oh, my gosh. Like, like, did you guys have fun? And, like, just kind of seeing their, like, interactions and how they talk about her. Anybody for that? Yeah, just anyone. I get good vibes, you know, And I think, like, at the end of the day, it's like, people meet each other where they're at. So that's them. That's that. That is their journey. And I don't judge. I don't have any judgment that.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay, last question.

[Catherine Pies]

If you could just kind of give, like, a final statement to the Ace family who's watching and who's been on this journey since your first place, where you lived with Austin and when you were pregnant and all the things. And they've been here for so long, and they felt maybe like, we've lost them and things have changed and everything. Which change is good? Like, what. Do you want to leave a lasting message with them today?

[Austin McBroom]

I would say forgiveness is key. Yeah.

[Catherine Pies]

Thank you so much for coming on and talking about this, because I know there's so much behind all this, and that's why I'm happy I got to sit down with you today. And like I had said earlier, like, I'm sure at some point I've watched and judged and been like, what's going on? And it's, like, so nice to hear you sitting here and, like, like, talking through why you made the decisions you made as a mother and a woman and someone who really wanted to stand by her husband. And you explaining things is so relatable. Katherine. Like, so much of what you said today, I think women are going to relate to. And they shouldn't feel shame over saying. They shouldn't feel shame over whether they got cheated on, then they stayed or they cheated and they left. Like, everyone's journey is their journey. Journey. But I think when you've. You've talked so beautifully about. You did what you could do at the time, and it was your best, and now you're also at a place in your life where you never thought you would be. You just said, I never thought I'd find another person. I thought I'd be alone. I thought I had all this baggage and turns out there's another chapter and then there will be another chapter in another chapter. So I'm just so happy that you trusted me with your story and I'm really excited for everyone to read your book.

[Austin McBroom]

Thank you.

[Catherine Pies]

Thank you for coming on.

[Alex Cooper]

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