Grace Van Patten: Tell Me Lies & Toxic Relationships

Summary

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Call Her Daddy – Grace Van Patten: Tell Me Lies & Toxic Relationships

Host: Alex Cooper
Guest: Grace Van Patten
Release Date: October 1, 2025

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Overview

In this rich and lively episode, Alex Cooper sits down with actress Grace Van Patten, star of Hulu’s “Tell Me Lies” and the highly anticipated Amanda Knox project. The episode weaves between Grace’s personal experiences—her New York upbringing, her move to LA, and her quirky rituals—her rapid rise in Hollywood, and an open, sharp look at the allure and dangers of toxic relationships. Grace’s humor and candor shine as she discusses her family, high school with Timothée Chalamet, behind-the-scenes secrets from “Tell Me Lies,” dating her co-star Jackson White, and the realities of filming intimate scenes.

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Main Topics & Insights

1. New York Roots, LA Life, and Growing Up

• Transition from NY to LA: Both Grace and Alex reminisce about adjusting from the bustling, walkable city to the sprawling, driving-heavy streets of LA.
  • “I know for a fact I’m gonna end up back [in New York]... If I don’t do it now, I’ll never live in another place.” — Grace (02:00)
• Quirky Beginnings: Grace shares lighthearted stories about living alone, debating getting a pet, and the iconic habit of leaving her phone to trick her mom about her whereabouts as a teen.
  • “I thought I found a loophole by leaving my phone at my friend’s house and just saying ‘I’m in for the night.’” — Grace (03:38)

2. Firsts, Worst, and Childhood Memories

• Celebrity Crushes: Grace’s first celeb crush was Steve-O from Jackass, which Alex finds hilarious and indicative of her early fascination with “adventure and daredevils.”
• Awkward Encounters: Grace recalls greeting Dustin Hoffman with “Hey, Grandpa!” and his less-than-pleased reaction.
  • “Do NOT call any actor old.” — Grace (06:56)
• Getting Recognized: She was first recognized not for her own work, but for resembling Shailene Woodley, especially during “Divergent.”

3. Family & Creative Upbringing

• Siblings and Dynamics: With sisters both close and much younger (“It’s like kept us all young.”), Grace’s family is tight-knit.
• Director Dad: Grace grew up on film sets, which made acting seem possible, magical, and ultimately her dream.
  • “You could play dress up as a job. That’s how I still see it.” — Grace (11:20)
• Early Acting Jobs: Her debut was on “The Sopranos” at eight—what she remembers most is the nerve-racking audition process.

4. Performing Arts High School & Timothée Chalamet

• Unique High School Experience: Described as “insane,” with students singing/dancing on tables and being on “vocal rest.”
• Timmy as ‘Tiny Tim’: Grace watched Timothée Chalamet’s infamous rap performances.
  • “He had this rapper alter ego named Tiny Tim…” (15:51)

5. “Tell Me Lies”: Toxic Relationships & Acting Realism

• Why She Was Drawn to ‘Toxic’ Roles:
  • “It was my dream to do a toxic relationship thing… I don’t know why I love those movies.” — Grace (18:22)
• Differences from Her Character: Both share youthful vulnerability, but Grace stresses she learns from mistakes—unlike Lucy, who’s “relentless.”
• Most Cringeworthy Lucy Moment:
  • “Anytime Lucy thinks she’s being subtle about something is the most cringy.” — Grace (22:21)
  • Alex’s winner: Lucy’s same-day, same-underwear sexual escapade.

6. Personal Growth, Vulnerability, and Real-Life Parallels

• Relating to Lucy:
  • “Vulnerability is the most powerful thing you can ever have in any relationship or friendship.” — Grace (20:40)
• Dating Lessons: Childhood relationships, jealousy, and learning to communicate—Grace reveals she’s never had a truly toxic relationship but lots of “immature” ones.
• Friend Dilemmas: Navigating how (and if) to tell friends about red flags in their relationships.
  • “Advice is a very ethereal comfort thing—it’s not literal unless it’s, like, technical.” — Grace (32:10)

7. Grace & Jackson: On-Screen Chemistry, Off-Screen Romance

• Meeting on Zoom: Both Grace and Alex met their partners via Zoom (in very different ways!). Grace and Jackson’s romance started with professional skepticism and blossomed into a true connection after hours chatting on a NYC stoop.
  • “We sat on a stoop for, I think, like, six hours and talked about every reason why we should not act on this. And then I kissed him.” — Grace (41:19)
• Working with Your Partner: They find it easy and rewarding—opposite to what most imagine.
• Filming Sex Scenes:
  • “It could not be less sexy. It’s the most technical, choreographed… there’s intimacy coordinators, the directors, crew…” — Grace (46:39)
  • Grace once had to do ADR (re-recording) for sex scenes in a booth, mimicking moans/kisses: “That is worse than shooting the sex scene!” (49:07)

8. Games, Secrets, and Rituals

• Nighttime Rituals: Grace obsesses over pajama sets before big days; once bought matching clownish PJs for her sisters.
• Biggest Lie to Get Out of Plans: Now she just owns up: “I love canceling plans and saying, like, ‘I’m really tired.’” (56:14)
• Hidden Tattoos: Grace had a “99” tattoo in her lip (secretly, for years) and a small spider to match Jackson’s birthday.

9. Amanda Knox Project

• Why Amanda Knox?: Grace was always fascinated by Amanda’s “enigmatic” personality and story.
• Process & Relationship: Grace spoke to Amanda often to prep, learning from her vulnerability and openness.
  • “Just being able to help someone tell their story in their own way is so… cool.” — Grace (59:17)

10. Looking Ahead: “Tell Me Lies” Season 3

• Grace teases the new season with:
  • “It’s fucking chaotic.” — Grace (61:44)
  • Even the cast was shocked at some narrative developments.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Outgrowing Teenage Antics
  • “We tried and it worked for a while.” — Grace (04:33)
• On Actors’ Feelings
  • “Do not call any actor old.” — Grace (07:01)
• On Personal Growth
  • “The fear of what is life after [a breakup]… that’s the scariest part—even if you know what you have to do.” — Grace (29:34)
• On Navigating Friends’ Toxic Relationships
  • “If you go at them and you judge them, they’re gonna alienate themselves and they won’t come to you next time.” — Alex (31:31)
• On Sex Scenes
  • “Can you move your arm so you can’t see your nipple?... and then you’ll turn your head and see a guy holding a boom, and you’re like, ‘What? This is so weird.’” — Grace (47:41)
• On Surreal Pajama Obsession
  • “I tried on a new one last night and I looked like a 1930s jester.” — Grace (54:43)
• On Amanda Knox
  • “She’s so open and so vulnerable… if I had a question, I could just text her.” — Grace (60:44)
• On What’s Coming in ‘Tell Me Lies’
  • “It’s fucking chaotic.” — Grace (61:44)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [02:00] Grace on moving to LA
• [03:38] Best/worst trouble with parents
• [06:56] Calling Dustin Hoffman “grandpa”
• [15:51] Timothée Chalamet’s “Tiny Tim” rap
• [18:22] Why Grace loves toxic relationship stories
• [20:40] Vulnerability in real life and as Lucy
• [22:21] Most cringeworthy Lucy moments
• [29:34] The fear at the end of a relationship
• [41:19] How Grace and Jackson became a couple
• [46:39] Sex scenes “could not be less sexy”
• [49:07] Most awkward moment: ADR sex noises
• [54:43] Grace’s pajama set ritual
• [57:24] Secret “99” tattoo for grandpa
• [59:17] On playing Amanda Knox
• [61:44] “Tell Me Lies” season three: “It’s fucking chaotic.”

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Tone & Style

The conversation is open, energetic, distinctly millennial, and equal parts frank, vulnerable, and playful. Alex and Grace’s rapport makes even tough subjects approachable. Stories are peppered with dry humor, self-awareness, and plenty of F-bombs, embodying the bold, no-BS Call Her Daddy spirit.

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Summary for New Listeners

In this episode, you’ll get rare, honest insight into Grace Van Patten’s personal life and Hollywood career—from funny childhood schemes and family dynamics, to the meat-grinder of acting school, deeply relatable reflections on love, sex, and dating, and what it’s really like to film (and ADR) those infamous “Tell Me Lies” scenes. Grace’s candor about personal growth, boundaries, and mental health, plus inside stories about her relationship with Jackson White and playing Amanda Knox, make this a standout, must-listen for anyone fascinated by the messiness of relationships—on- and off-screen.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

What is up, Daddy Gang?

[A]

It is your founding father, Alex Cooper.

[B]

With Call Her Daddy. Grace Van Patten. Welcome to Call Her Daddy.

[C]

Thank you so much.

[B]

I am so happy to finally meet you. Like, it's been a long time coming. This is very exciting. How are you doing today?

[C]

I'm great. I'm so excited too. I've. I said when I walked in, I've, like seen this chair, this iconic chair so many times.

[B]

You're here and I'm here. Wait, so you live in la?

[C]

Yeah, recently. I moved here like two and a half years ago.

[B]

And you're from New York?

[C]

From New York.

[B]

How are you liking it?

[C]

I love it. It took me a while and I told myself I would never do it.

[B]

Me too.

[C]

But I also know I love New York so much and that's my home. And I know for a fact I'm gonna end up back there. So I figured, like, if I don't do it now, I'll never live in another place.

[B]

It's a good point. It's a really hard transition, though. Cause I used to live in New York and when I got. Oh my God. I got here and I was like, where is everyone? Because you think it's. Hello. Yes.

[C]

Yeah, everybody.

[B]

Everyone drives everywhere. No one's like popping into bars and Restaurants around here, you're just like, hello. And I moved here with my best friend years ago, and we were both, like, thinking we were gonna have the time of our life. It's like, early 20s. And then we were like, wait, where is everyone? But then you eventually find your place to it.

[C]

It's also like, I tried out so many different neighborhoods, and I'm my happiest where I can walk and, like, get a coffee. If I can walk and get a coffee, I'm fine.

[B]

Wait, do you live alone?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And do you have any animals?

[C]

No. But I want them so bad. It's a big decision I'm making right now.

[B]

You're always traveling now.

[C]

I know. Yeah. So having an animal would be tricky.

[B]

Maybe, like, a fish. Oh, wait, no. That would die. You should travel with, like, a bag. No, I was thinking, what could you leave at home? And I'm like, a fish. But no, I think you would also kill the fish. Okay.

[C]

Maybe, like, if I had koi fish in my pond. I don't have a pond.

[B]

Very sexy, but very sexy. Okay, we're gonna play a game.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

First and worst, I'm gonna give you a scenario, and you just tell me a story that comes to mind.

[C]

Okay?

[B]

Okay. Growing up, what was the worst trouble you ever got into with your parents?

[C]

I was actually just speaking to a friend about this. I. I got into trouble.

[B]

Frequently. Okay.

[C]

Because I. I would get caught doing a lot of things. My mom had my location for a while, and I. I thought I found a loophole by leaving my phone at my friend's house and just saying, I'm. I'm in for the night. And I think when my mom caught onto that, it was. Got reprimanded for sure.

[A]

Grace, that is, like.

[B]

It's brilliant. And it's something I used to do as well. Really. And my one friend, Anna. Shout if you're watching this. Her. She. We were always going to her house because her whole family was like, chill. They didn't really care what we did. And I'm like, I'm going to Anna's. What could happen, Mom? And she's like, huh? Leave the phone in the mailbox. Why the mailbox? Just, why the mail? You know, I don't know. In case we had to do a quick pit stop. And I would, like, check my crowd so I didn't have to go.

[C]

All good. Yeah.

[B]

And it worked every time until finally my mom was like, I know you're not just sitting there all night. And then it was like. But at least we tried.

[C]

We Tried and it worked for a while.

[B]

It was great. But were you going to, like, clubs when you were younger?

[C]

No, I wasn't. I mean, I definitely did at a young age, but that was never. I never enjoyed that.

[B]

You never went to one? Oak. Of course.

[C]

I've. I've been to PhD.

[B]

Rooftop.

[C]

I can't, though. It freaked me out even then, and I. And it still freaks me out. Like, clubs freak. Freak me out.

[B]

They're very over the top.

[C]

I don't. I don't.

[B]

I used to.

[C]

I didn't have a phase. You had a phase.

[B]

Oh, I was like that girl.

[C]

You were.

[B]

I worked at the club. Literally and also figuratively. But then I just. Icon.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Socks in my tits to push them up. Like, looking like, oh, my God, I have triple Ds. Literally would remove me lock. Did you really?

[C]

No, not socks. Like, help, help.

[B]

Shoved. Shoving them up with anything.

[C]

Whatever I can fit in there.

[B]

Okay. Who was your first celebrity crush?

[C]

Oh, Stevo from Jackass.

[B]

Wait, wait, wait.

[C]

I had a weird. I don't know. I get it. Something about snapping Turtle. Just nipping at his nipples, I guess. Got me.

[B]

Honestly, that show, do you get it at all? Without a doubt. Okay, but I could see. No, because what was it recently on an episode of Love island then everyone was doing it where this girl was like, okay, wait, who is your. Like, okay, wait, but hear me out. Who you would, like, hook up with? But it's like a. Okay, wait, hear me out.

[C]

But you wouldn't want to.

[B]

But, like, you know, people would be, like, so fucking judgy. It's like, mine. Yes. Mine used to be, like, I thought Johnny Depp. So specifically as Captain Jack Sparrow with, like, the eyeliner. That's a good one. And I. But I was like, why am I so attracted to that?

[C]

I get it. Talent.

[B]

Talent, Stevo.

[C]

Something about, like, a daredevil. Like, I don't know, adventure.

[B]

Okay. Love it. Okay. What's a time you made a horrible first impression?

[C]

Oh, God, probably so many times. I do remember one of my first movies. Dustin Hoffman was playing my grandpa. And the first time I met him, I thought it would be cute to be like, hey, Grandpa. And I saw his face kind of drop, and I was in. I, like, my face turned red. I was so embarrassed. And from that, I realized, you know, do not call any actor alt or.

[B]

Make him honestly off. You're like, well, I thought it was for the.

[C]

You know, called me old. I was like. I was mortified.

[B]

It's the worst when you have Something ready in your head.

[C]

I planned it.

[B]

And then it comes out and you see, not only did it land, it actually just pissed the person off.

[C]

And you're like, swing and a miss. And I was ready. I was like, going in there like, this is going to make everyone laugh. Ready?

[B]

Actual anger. Anger. Okay, Grace, um, last one. Who was. What was the first time you were ever recognized in public?

[C]

Probably before I started acting for my work in Divergent as Shailene Woodley. That's probably the first times I got recognized was as Shailene Woodley.

[B]

That's actually amazing. Rewind. So, so many people in your life have come up to you and been like, Shailene?

[C]

Yeah. Especially like when I was in high school and she was in the Divergence and. And also that movie with George Clooney.

[B]

Oh, yes.

[C]

The Descendants, I think.

[B]

Yes, yes, yes.

[C]

And we had very similar, like, hair at the time. And that happened a lot.

[B]

Have you ever met her?

[C]

Yes, I met her once and I think I said something, but I always get so nervous in those moments.

[B]

Did you feel like when you met her, you both were like. You see the resemblance? Yeah. Is it annoying when people say that though? Right? It's like when you're compared to each other where you're like, we're both also.

[C]

She's so beautiful and so talented. I'm like, yeah, that's so true.

[B]

When people are like, compared to people that you're probably like, wait, guys, that's not funny. Don't compare me. Right? Wait, wait. Do we actually look?

[C]

And then you don't want to act offended.

[B]

Right? Right, right. No, Shailene's gorgeous.

[C]

Yeah. I'm like, I will take it.

[B]

That's fair. Okay, let's talk about your family.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

You have two sisters, right? Yes. How would you describe your relationship with them?

[C]

They're my best friends.

[B]

And you're the oldest.

[C]

I'm the oldest. And then I have a middle sister only two years younger than me. And then I have a 14 year old sister.

[B]

So 15 years apart.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

What is that like?

[C]

Which was wild at first. My mom was 45 and she was like, I'm pregnant. And I was like, what does that mean?

[B]

Right.

[C]

I was 15. I'm like, you guys have sex? That's disgusting. Now I'm like, good for you. I couldn't fathom what life would be like. Like, I've lived 15 years as like, we're like a little family unit. And what is, what is? I couldn't comprehend what that would be like. And then she was born and it's like the best thing that could have happened to our family. It's like kept us all young.

[B]

I do feel like I've seen that where like if someone has like a lot of younger sibling, it kind of gives a fresh new energy that keeps you guys like more like, okay, we're still young. We're not all out of the house. There's reason to come home. She's in high school now or whatever and you're like, that's fun.

[C]

It's so fun.

[B]

Is she watching you though?

[C]

In like. She's not watching. Tell me lies. I told her not to.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

But she'll. She's always sending me like, like TikTok edits of myself and I. And I'm like, june, I love you. I'm not, I'm not gonna watch this. But she like every time I see her she's like, look at you. Look at, look at this thing.

[B]

And I'm like, she's like, there's like TikTok edits.

[C]

She's excited.

[B]

That's really cute though that she's like, they're shipping you online and you're like, stop showing me the fan edit.

[C]

Yeah. And I don't wanna see it.

[B]

But at least she gets to see something.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Your dad is a well known director. What was it like growing up on these type of sets? Like, that's obviously a very unique experience. And now you being in the industry, but before you were fully in the industry. Tell me about what that was like growing up like that.

[C]

It was amazing. I mean like I was always so curious about what my dad was doing and then being able to watch through a couple different jobs that he's done and how they were all different. But like being surrounded by so many different types of people at a young age was really interesting. And watching all of these amazing actors do what they do and like I was just so in awe of that you could play dress up as a, as a job. Like that's how I saw. That's how I still see it. Like it's just a very fun thing when you're doing it. The rest of it is. Can be scary and unpredictable and inconsistent. But when you're actually doing it, it's so, so much fun. Like that's.

[B]

That's it. That's really cool. Cause I feel like there I grew up and my dad was more in like the sports television world, but I always like a credit. Like there was something about growing up that watching my dad get up every day and go and do Something he was so passionate about. Like, he loved feel like all of my siblings then, and I either went into, like, entrepreneurship or the creative because I didn't understand what it would be like to not be so immersed and love it so much and, like, go for your passion, which is such a privilege, but it's so cool to watch. And so it's been, I think, innately in me that I was like, I have to wake up every day and love what I do, because both of my parents did that, which it feels like you kind of were, like, watching your father being like, this is so incredible. I want to immerse myself also in that world 100%.

[C]

That is, like, the main thing I took from it. And he's never. He's, like, only ever done jobs that he's so passionate about, and I really try to do that.

[B]

You got your first acting job on the Sopranos when you were eight?

[C]

Yes. Yeah.

[B]

Like, walking in on that set day and that whole experience. What do you remember about it?

[C]

I remember, like, the most vivid memory was the audition. Like, that is engraved in my brain. It will be forever. Because I have never been so nervous for something because I was telling my parents, like, I want to be an actor. I want to do that. But I was 8, and they were like, okay. And I kept bugging, bugging them about it until my dad was like, all right, you can audition. You can try and audition. And I remember to this day, like, every step of, like, walking to the elevator of Steiner Studios and, like, signing my name, they just, like, left me. They were like, go. And I, like, sign my name and the. The guest book, whatever it is, and I'm, like, waiting in the chairs with all these other, like, girls with their parents, and they call my name in, and it's a bunch of, like, producers, and my dad's, like, in the back and, like, with, like, with his legs crossed. So they really wanted me to feel how it would feel like, if he was not involved, which I appreciate now. But I remember doing that audition and just feeling so. So scared and so nervous, and then obviously did not. I didn't consistently act in between. When I actually started acting, there was, like, a. I just went to school and didn't continue to audition and didn't do any of that.

[B]

So you went to a performing arts high school, though?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Talk to me about how this was different than, like, a traditional high school.

[C]

It was. It was insane. Like, I can't imagine going to a normal high school. It was like. It was all of these very Creative, like, quirky kids. Like, literally singing and dancing on tables and in the hallway. Like, people on vocal rest, like writing on white boards, and young kids that were very serious already about their art. And of course, there were, like, there was variety. There were kids who didn't want to be there. And I was kind of like in the middle. Like, I loved acting, but I didn't know if I wanted to do it as a career yet. It was just like a hobby. But it. Yeah, it was a wild experience.

[B]

I heard that you and Timothee Chalamet went to the same school.

[C]

Yes. Yeah, he was a grade above me.

[B]

Did you ever get to watch his infamous talent show performances?

[C]

Every year, front and center. I witnessed. I witnessed the great act. It was. It was incredible. It, like, it's just as amazing as it probably is. Watching the footage isn't. There is footage of it.

[B]

There is footage people haven't seen.

[C]

The world gets to experience.

[B]

Yeah, there's footage. But if people don't know what we're talking about, can you lightly describe, like, what. What his performance was?

[C]

He had like a rapper alter ego named Tiny Tim or something.

[B]

That's it.

[C]

And he would. We had these yearly talent shows, which is like, it was. It was called Rising Stars. And this talent show was like American Idol. It was like all of the most insanely talented kids doing, like, either rapping or singing or doing crazy, like, contemporary dance or playing a flute, like, you name it. It was insane. Like, I would still go to it because it was just the most talented kids.

[B]

And you. Did you ever partake in the show?

[C]

No, I didn't get asked.

[B]

Timmy.

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[B]

Okay, Tell me lies.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Tell me the first time you read the script. Initial Vibe what did you think?

[C]

I loved it. It got me so excited. I was like. Because it was my dream to do like a toxic up relationship thing.

[B]

Why?

[C]

Because I, I just love those movies. They're like my favorite movies. I don't know why.

[B]

I do too.

[C]

I mean I loved Steve O. I clearly liked just some toxic. Like there's a thr energy, there's some through line. But I love watching those movies. They're like my favorite actors who have been in movies like that. So it was just something that I wanted to be a part of. And I, I thought it was so cool that it was a TV show and also about young people in a toxic relationship. And I only read the pilot when I first read it, so I had no idea, I just had no idea what it was gonna become in terms of chaotic.

[B]

That's actually crazy to read the pilot. And you were like, oh, this is gonna be really interesting.

[C]

This is tame.

[B]

And then to find out.

[C]

Yeah, because Lucy in the pilot is like a completely different person. I thought I was like signing up to be like a preppy, like kind of closed off, like going to college, maybe gonna reinvent herself, meets a guy. It sucks. But she is a full spiral out, like manic journey that I did not.

[B]

Know if you had to say because I know as an actor, like I'm sure you're trying to find some ins, like is there anything you relate to her on?

[C]

Yeah, for sure. I mean I, I definitely related especially first season when I was filming it, like being young and being really afraid of your feelings and then showing them and being like, oh, this is why I was afraid of them. Like, I think you, you meet Lucy in season one and she's very like has a guard up and then this guy just like slowly chips away at it. And then she's like, gates are open and she can't reel it back now. And I've totally had that.

[B]

Have you been in situations where you feel like you've maybe not been as, like, vulnerable in your life, and then you're saying when you've been, you're like, yeah. Oh, that just bit me in the ass kind of.

[C]

Yes. And then coming out the other side of it being like, vulnerability is the most powerful thing you could ever have in any relationship or friendship.

[B]

Okay. I know you said in the past you hope you're not like Lucy, which, like, I agree with. But also, we love her because she's entertaining. We love her heading into season three.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

What is the biggest difference would you say between you and Lucy now?

[C]

Probably not, like, learning her lesson. I feel like I'm pretty good at, like, knowing I've made mistakes and then stopping. And she's a little relentless with that.

[B]

Oh, she's relentless. Okay, we're gonna do some rapid fire. Tell me lies.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Which character would you want to be friends with in real life?

[C]

Oh, probably Wrigley. Probably Wrigley, like sweetie boy. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. What item of clothing would you steal from Lucy's closet?

[C]

Well, I just did steal some when we wrapped.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Oh, yeah. I stole, like, the iconic true religions that, like, I cannot find in real life any that, like, look good or fit. But for some reason, the Lucy jeans that Charlotte, who's the costume designer found.

[B]

Charlotte.

[C]

I was like, can I please. Charlotte will help you. She's a genius at finding.

[B]

Dude, I need to find Charlotte and be like, get me those jeans. The low rise jeans that she has found for you.

[C]

It's crazy. She. She really found.

[B]

Oh, I would steal it too.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay, which character frustrates you the most?

[C]

Lucy. Lucy.

[B]

What's been Lucy's most cringeworthy moment?

[C]

Oh, it's a lot to choose from. Or like, I think anytime Lucy thinks she's being subtle about something is the most cringy.

[B]

That's a good point.

[C]

Like when she's like, I think it was season one when she tells Steven that she's not going to India because, like, some reason, but it's so obvious that she's staying in town to, like, be with him and he, like, shuts her down.

[B]

It's like the modern day version of back in the day when. With the Hills. When, like, Lauren was the girl that didn't go to Paris because she stayed to go with her boyfriend. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And that was you. And, like, you're like, you're not going to India, babe. Because of Steven.

[C]

I know it's not. Because it's really obvious.

[B]

Okay. Mine was, though. The underwear moment in season two.

[C]

Oh, my God. Of course. Of course.

[B]

I was, like, screaming at my television. When you are, like, hooking up with both them in the same day and you're wearing the same underwear.

[C]

Same.

[B]

I was like, no.

[C]

Disgusting. Disgusting.

[B]

But honestly, genius writing.

[C]

I know.

[B]

So good. So good.

[C]

Oh, that was gnarly.

[B]

Okay, what is one piece of dating advice you would really like to give Lucy if you were her friend?

[C]

Honestly, I feel like I would tell her, well, like, there's the obvious ones of, like, get the fuck away from him. Yeah, but people don't listen to that. People need to figure that out for themselves. So I would tell her to try and, like, mend her relationship with her mom because she's had zero parental guidance this whole time. She has, like, a shitty relationship with her mom, but. And I feel like if she had some sort of motherly figure, like, just tell her. Because, like, it was so helpful when my mom, like, when. When you're caught up in something when you're young and your mom just tells you, like, reminds you how unimportant this is in the grand scheme of your life and how helpful that is to hear from, like, just an older, wiser person.

[B]

It's so true. I feel like there's been so many moments watching the show that I'm like, oh, my God. If only she could go to her mom and feel like she could actually tell her what's going on. Her mom as an adult could be like, babe. But because she lacks that, there's kind of nowhere to go. And obviously when you are in college, I experienced it like, we're all a shit show at that point in our lives. So your friends can only give you so much advice, but at the same.

[C]

Time, you're, like, probably doing a similar. Everyone's doing a similar.

[B]

Same kind of shit. Kind of. And so it's like you need someone that's actually been through life to be like, walk away. Yes, trust me, walk away.

[C]

Or, like, everything will be okay. Like, somebody just to tell her that, like, you're good.

[B]

Mary. Kill Max. Leo. Evan.

[C]

Oh, my God. So poor Max. He's been right in front of her the whole time, and she's just, like, looking past him. She's not.

[B]

Oh, poor Max.

[C]

Mary, Max. Obviously, probably kill Evan.

[B]

Bye, Evan. Love you.

[C]

Sorry, Evan.

[B]

It's okay.

[C]

Sorry, Evan. Yeah, that's so funny.

[B]

Okay, what is, in your opinion, the most Fucked up thing Lucy or Steven have done to each other.

[C]

I mean, Steven walking out of the Hawaiian party with Diana hand in hand, leaving Lucy in a coconut bra was pretty.

[B]

Has your sister showed you those edits on TikTok?

[C]

I don't think so.

[B]

They're everywhere. They still live to this day even though we're going on season three. That scene, we. What was your reaction when you read that scene? Because like you said, you only read the floor, John. The floor.

[C]

Jaw on the floor. There's a really funny thing that happened because Robin Wright was directing that episode, the Amazing Robin Wright. And she really approached her directing style because she's an actor. Like, she knew how to talk to actors and she knew that Jackson and I were dating and was like, basically just tried to get me to. To believe that this was real life. And like, she's like, just think, what if Jackson did do this? What if he walked out and said on the way out, I never loved you. I don't even think you're pretty. And I was like. And in the moment I was like, oh, God, that's. That'd be really awful. Really bad. And I, I, like just tried to, to go there, but really with that moment, it was like pure shock. I thought, like, the less of a reaction, the more impactful it would be because it's like you. You don't even know what's going on. Like, everything's in slow motion.

[B]

It's a good point. You. There's actually. There is no reaction.

[C]

Because there's no reaction.

[B]

You're gonna probably process it later.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

But in the moment, you're like dissociating.

[C]

Yeah. You're like. Yeah, I. I imagined it in slow motion because it's like. And I think that's what they did. They slowed because it's like you can't even.

[B]

I remember watching the first season, and I think something that I really appreciated about it is it's such an accurate portrayal of what a toxic relationship is. And I think that's why so many people really gravitate towards it. Because I haven't seen something like this done in cinema because you kind of are watching it and you're like. It's such a slow, sneaky burn at first.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

For you, in your life, like, what is the hardest. I know you've said you've never been in a toxic relationship. Like, what's the hardest lesson you've had to learn in dating?

[C]

I mean, I feel like, like to go back to what we were talking about before with, like, vulnerability, like Before I learned that, I feel like it was so hard because I wasn't communicating and they didn't know how I felt. So it was just like would become a mess because. Because I didn't know how to. How to talk about my feelings.

[B]

Yeah, I know. I think you said somewhere like you had never been in a toxic situation but you've been in immature relationships.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Which is of course all of us. And when you start dating people and it's cute because we think we're so mature when we get into relationships.

[C]

Totally.

[B]

When we're in our teens or twenties or whatever it be and you're like, I'm literally an adult mom. Don't tell me what to do. Emal. You actually have no idea what you're no idea. You have no idea what you're doing.

[C]

No.

[B]

What did some of those like more immature things look like for you? Just like in life of dating I.

[C]

Feel like just lack of communication. Jealousy is probably like a big immature relationship thing I feel like. Which is you know, normal throughout even non toxic relationships. It's very natural. But like that intensity of jealousy that felt like death or something, you know.

[B]

It'S like all encompassing.

[C]

Yeah. There's always the fear too of like, even when you know something should be coming to an end. Like the fear of like what is life after that? Like that's always a scary thought. Even even if you know what you have to do, even if it is immature, even if it is toxic. It's like that fear.

[B]

Lucy's friends are obviously always telling her to leave Steven, but she never wants to lift sin. Obviously. Have you ever been in a tough situation with a friend where you know you need to have a conversation with them about who they're seeing? Whether it's because it's deteriorating their mental health or you found out they were cheated on or whatever it be. And like have you had that?

[C]

Yeah, for sure.

[B]

How do you even approach those moments? Because some people are like I'm not getting involved. Some people get involved.

[C]

Yeah. It depends on the friend.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I mean especially when, when something is so overt like cheating. If somebody cheated on my friend, like I feel no problem being like don't, don't settle for that. But it's also hard. It's like because you want to support your friends and a lot of them, a lot of people are in this vicious cycle of relationships and it's like even if they know it's not good for them, it's just, it's hard to break the set that's the hardest part.

[B]

And it's hard being a friend because you're like, on one hand, I feel like it's my duty as a friend to be like, girl.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But then I also know you, you can kind of like suss out when your friend's not ready to hear it.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

So you're kind of like, you kind.

[C]

Of have to gauge it.

[B]

And then you're like, are we gonna get in a fight?

[C]

Right.

[B]

Because I'm. Technically, it would be overstepping and some people would be like, no, you have to tell them. But it's like, you know, sometimes if you found out some shit, you're like, I actually could tell her, but she's not in her right mind.

[C]

Right.

[B]

She's just gonna get pissed at me.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So you almost have to kind of just like be there for a friend.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And kind of like we said with the themes in the show of like, if you go at them and you judge them, then they're gonna alienate themselves and then they won't come to you the next time.

[C]

Exactly. Which is really dangerous too. And like, you don't wanna. Like, there's been so many situations where that friend does open up and go there with you with like shitting on the guy or breaking up with them. And then they get back together and you're like, face to face and you have to. That's tricky.

[B]

It's so hard.

[C]

And you're like, so I think there's like a way to do it in like a tame, supportive way. Yeah. It's like, because at the end of.

[B]

The day, it's not your life, it's your friend's life. And so you can be there, but.

[C]

You'Re also like, listen to people. Like, advice is a very like, ethereal comfort thing. It's not like people don't take it literally unless it's like technique. Like, unless it's like, people rarely take advice.

[B]

I agree. Unless it's not so personal.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

It's almost like if you can get like work wise, if you have something that is tangible that is like, oh, this is gonna help you get the raise, or this is gonna help you get the job, whatever it be. People are like, oh, I'm gonna try it.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

But when it involves someone, mental, personal thing.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

In the moment, they could be like, that's literally genius. Yes. And then they get home and they're like, wait, I can't do that. Yeah.

[C]

They're like, I'm gonna text them. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, yeah, exactly.

[B]

You Also, can't take it too personal when you're a friend like that. I agree. Where it's like, give the advice if it feels right in the moment, don't overstep, but also expect nothing.

[C]

Totally, totally.

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[B]

We have kind of an overlapping fun story because we met both of our partners on Zoom.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

I met my husband on Zoom. A work zoom. You met Jackson on a Zoom?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Okay, tell me about your first Zoom. Because most people, you guys would think it's not so sexy. And I remember when I told my story, people were like, a zoom. And I'm like, yeah, it really went down on a Zoom.

[C]

Wait, I need to hear your story, because I bet mine's the opposite of yours.

[B]

Okay. I got on a Zoom, and there were multiple people on it.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

I was meeting with my husband's production company at the time, and he was late. I'm on the call, and everyone on the call was like, fans of Color Daddy. So they were like, big caller Daddy fans. And they were, like, mentioning episodes to me, and vibes were great.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And then Matt got on, and he comes in, is just like, the producer that's like, oh, like, I don't know much about your show. Like, tell me about your show. And I'm like. Immediately, I'm like, that need his validation. Like, why is this so fucked up that I'm like, oh, my. So hot. You don't know who I am? Love. Totally. And then the whole zoom. I'm, like, staring at his zoom box. I'm looking at no one else. And you, like, pinned it. Yeah, I'm staring directly in his eyes. He has no idea. He's, like, on his phone, busy, not paying attention. No, But I'm. I'm watching him, and I'm like, wow, he's, like, really hot. Like, I'm attracted to this guy. And then afterwards, he emailed me just being like, are we making this TV show or what? Like, let me Know if you're ever in la. I was like, oh, I'm going to be in LA next week. And then we went and got dinner and the rest was history.

[C]

Was it instantly romantic vibe or did you, like, kind of weasel your way?

[B]

I was like, I'm on a date.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

He's like, so the show. And then finally he was the person that actually gave me the advice where he was like, can I be honest? I really don't think you should make this TV show right now. It feels like this is not the right time in your career. And every other producer had been like, let's make it tomorrow, and just saw, like, dollar signs. And I was like, wow, that was very attractive that he wasn't just trying to use it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Because, like, it would be a benefit to him. And then I was like, okay, well, if we're not making the show, let's turn this into a date. And he was like, okay.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

And then it just. So I was like, pretty forward because I just felt it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I never usually was like that in relationships, but you knew. Okay, what was your zoom like?

[C]

I didn't. Didn't like Jackson, stop. No, we talk about this all the time. That's like. Because I had done a bunch of zoom chemistry reads because it was still like, Covid y. So it was all on zoom the first round.

[B]

Wait, so this is for Tell Me Lies?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

And you have the job.

[C]

I have the job. And I'm in the. We're in the process of, like, zooming with. With guys and, like, reading scenes with them. And, like, Jackson, I had heard, like, was the favorite, so I'm, like, excited for his thing. And he gets on and I. I just. I've told him this, that I'm like, oh, this is like a. This is like a serious actor. Like, actory actor. So I was just like, oh, God. But he was so good. And I was like, all right, it's fine. Maybe we won't get along. But, like, he's perfect for the part and he's so talented and great. And so I was like. It was half really excited that, like, we found the Steven, but the other, I was just like, kind of rolled my eyes a little bit. And then we met in person for the next round. And he was like. It was like a completely different energy. And he just told me he was, like, really nervous for the zoom, and he was just like. And now I know him so well and I know that part of him, and I'm like, oh, that's what I was seeing, but it really took me to meet him in person to be like, this guy's the best.

[B]

So you're about to do a job together.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But then you start dating before the job starts.

[C]

You start dating before the job.

[B]

Who makes the first move? How do you guys decide to even, like, go on a date?

[C]

We had some mutual friends that, like, I. I was so in the, like, zone of the show and being so excited about doing it and, like, finding the guy, and just, like, it was just something I was really excited about. So, like, my brain was very, like, tell me lies. And I kept thinking about him, and I couldn't tell if it was like, oh, I'm so excited that, like, I couldn't tell yet. I couldn't tell if it was, like, a crush or, like, a career exciting thing. And then I remember hearing, like, my friend's boyfriend was working with him on another movie, and we decided after they finished that movie, like, we were all gonna have dinner or something. And so. And so we all had dinner. And it was just like, instantly we were. It was just. We vibed instantly. And it was kind of. That we were both, like, we both have a crush on each other. This is probably, like, the worst thing that could happen. And, like, we sat on a stoop for, I think, like, six hours and talked about every reason why we should not act on this. And then I kissed him.

[B]

You're like, so with all that said.

[C]

With all that said, come here.

[B]

So then no one knew you guys were first seeing each other?

[C]

No. No. No one knew. We were like. And we didn't. We weren't like, let's. We need to keep this secret. But we were like, we don't have to flaunt it. We don't have to. But we also saw it as, like, a fun game. Like, how long can we go without people realizing?

[B]

And so how did people find out?

[C]

I mean, it was pretty quick. It was just like, the cast knew pretty immediately. Cause we would all hang out to, like, get to know each other.

[B]

And they're like, why do you guys feel like you guys know each other more than all of us? And you're like, what?

[C]

Yeah. What are you talking about? So they knew right away. And then people just caught on. There was never, like. We never announced it, but, like, okay.

[B]

Love.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

How did you. Because I think this is something. People are always so fascinated with me being like, what. How the. Do you work with your husband and like it? Actually, for me, I'm always like, I know this sounds maybe weird. But it's the easiest part of my job because.

[C]

Completely agree.

[B]

I was gonna ask, like, what conversations did you and Jackson have in going into, like, we're working together, we're seeing each other. How are we gonna make this work?

[C]

I actually don't know if we had any, like, initial conversation. I think it was very. Because it was so early on, I think it was very, like, let's just see how this goes. And it just happened very naturally that it just. We found our groove in it and we were able to be professional and then also just have the best time together and. Yeah, and I completely agree. It's like, the best. The best part of the job is being able to do it with him.

[B]

What do you think is the most difficult scene that you guys have had to shoot together?

[C]

I mean, honestly, anytime he's being like, a dick, which is most of the time, I'm like, you're a little too good at that. I'm like, can you come here for a second? Why are you so good at that?

[B]

That's.

[C]

You're really good at that.

[B]

That's so real. I'm wondering, like. Cause you know when. Like a dream, like, I don't know if this ever happened to you, but sometimes I'll have a dream that, like, something happened with Matt, and then I wake up.

[C]

Oh, do you wake up fully pissed.

[B]

And I'm like, wait, why am I mad at him?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Does that ever happen with you where, like, he's playing so good that you're like, am I mad at you or am I mad at Steven?

[C]

But that's Stephen.

[B]

And you're going home at night together.

[C]

And you're like, like, you were really mean today. Yeah.

[B]

It'S real.

[C]

No. Thankfully, I can separate Steven from Jackson. But I do have the dream thing. One thing, 1,000%. Were you. If I have a dream that he, like, cheated on me, I will. I wake up and he cheat. Cheated on me.

[B]

I'm like, I'm like, ruined our life for sure. Matt's like, bring me coffee. He's like, what do you mean? I'm like, you. Oh, fuck. I know it was a dream, but I still am angry. He's like, why? I know it's like, such a real thing.

[C]

Do you dream really vividly? Oh, yeah. Same, I think.

[B]

That's why I think I pick up on my dreams the next night. I like to tap back into work.

[C]

I do the same thing.

[B]

It's like a show.

[C]

And it feels so, so. Feels so real beyond my dreams. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. There's A lot of sex in the show, Obviously, yes. Talk to me about how. When you kind of knew that this was something that was. Came with the show, how did you feel about it? Was there any part that was hesitant? Did you're. Did you tell your family? Were they chill? Like, because it's a lot.

[C]

It's a lot. I remember, like, it's not the first time I had been, like, naked in anything, so it wasn't like, it didn't feel like this first scary thing. It was scary for a million different reasons.

[B]

But.

[C]

I'm like, the most important thing to me when there's, like, nudity or sex stuff is that it's just necessary to the story and to the character. And I felt like this really was, like. It's such a specific thing being, like, for Lucy, sexually awakened for the first time and being obsessed with the guy who, like, changed her life sexually and, like, not being able to get that out of her brain. Like, that is a very relatable thing. And I couldn't imagine telling that story without sex in it. It's like seeing the power dynamics change through it and, like, getting that false validation from it. Getting, like, so many things. I feel like it was necessary to tell the story. So in that way, I was like. I felt safe.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Doing it.

[B]

But it's a great point. Like, I agree. I think there's been shows, I think that I've watched that I'm like, this feels forced.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I agree with you. I think so much of it. Again, why it is so relatable. It's like, I have experienced that where as a woman, you're, like, trying to navigate, like, should I sleep with him now? Should I sleep with him when? And, like, how will that impact the power? And it's just right. Such a mind. And we watch you handle that so well. So I agree with you, obviously. I think there's the natural question that everyone always has of, like, how does playing this character with your boyfriend and having these sex scenes in a show, like, is it hot and steamy? Which, I mean, I'll let you answer for yourself.

[C]

No, it's. I think it's like a. A very common misconception to think that it's hot because it's. It could not be less sexy. To me, for me, at least, like, filming those scenes are the most technical choreographed. There's, like, intimacy coordinator coordinators there, there's the directors, the show run. Like, there's so many people around. There's like, it. It has to be, like, planned legally. So it's like, it's be very hard to enjoy yourself in those moments.

[B]

I was thinking about that when I. When I was gonna ask you that, because I was, like, knowing that, like, that's what happens on sets, which. I get it. Like, for most consumers, they don't understand that where it's like, there's like, sometimes 20 people in a room or five or 50. It depends on, like, what the shoot is. And it's so not about the sex. It's so about, like. Can you lift up your right leg more so we can see?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. Yeah.

[C]

Your arm. Can you move your arm a little bit so you can't see your nipple? Like, it's like, all that, and then you'll, like, turn your head and you'll see, like, a guy holding a boom. And you're like, what? This is so weird. This is so weird. And you're so. I mean, for me, I just, like, completely disassociate those scenes too. I, like, feel so out of body. I don't know. I, like. I don't know what I do do in those scenes because I'm like, is.

[B]

It easier to do it with Jackson, or would it almost be easier to do it with just, like, a random?

[C]

No, it's so much easier because you feel comfortable. Like, so much of the weirdness is not knowing the guy you have to do that with. And, like, it's just. It makes it so much safer and comfortable, at least.

[B]

What is the most awkward moment that you guys have had on set together?

[C]

Me and Jackson? I don't know if we've had an awkward moment. I made him laugh, which Jackson is like, he does not break. Like, you cannot break him when he's in the zone. And I made him laugh this season, and I will wear it on my chest for, like, the rest of my life.

[B]

You're, like, at dinner, you're like, remember when I made you laugh?

[C]

I literally don't. Takes so much pride in it that I broke him. So that was. That was great.

[B]

Can you tell me about this ADR situation that we were talking about before we started filming? So, obviously, because of the amount of sex scenes, there's gonna have to be. Or you explain it.

[C]

Yeah. So, like, normally after you finish a show or movie, you go in to do adr, which is, like, plugging in sounds that, like, maybe the sound got messed up or whatever it is. There's some interference with the sound. And with all these sex scenes, I've had to ADR sex scenes multiple times, and that is the Most awkward thing. I think I've. That is worse than shooting the sex scene, like kissing your hand or like moaning in a boo.

[B]

Dude, you are putting us on your back.

[C]

I'm literally like, can anybody else. No one knows what my kissing sound sounds like. Can somebody else do this?

[B]

They're like, grace, get in the booth. Like, honestly, thank you. Because it seems so real. But like, now hearing you do that, I've never be able to undo. Now that's amazing.

[C]

It's so. Oh.

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What would you say your best quality is as a partner? I think.

[C]

Support. I think I'm really supportive and, like, I'm so excited for him about everything, and I think I just. It's one of my favorite things to do. So, like, get excited for him and support whatever he's doing.

[B]

What is his best quality?

[C]

He's a really good listener and, like, really eases my anxiety on a lot of things. He's, like, a very calm, grounded presence, and it makes me feel really, really, like, at ease. Yeah.

[B]

Cute. Okay, we're gonna play a game.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

There are obviously a lot of secrets and tell me lies, so today we're gonna learn some of yours. Okay? What is a secret obsession of yours that people would be shocked by?

[A]

Secret obsession.

[C]

This is a new one. I'm obsessed with pajama sets.

[B]

Like, sexy or no.

[C]

Oh, like.

[B]

Like.

[C]

Oh, Jackson. He did a video of me last night because I started getting in this. I don't know if this is, like, an OCD thing that's begun or like, a rich. Not like a.

[B]

Like a ritual.

[C]

A ritual or superstition. I don't know. I've made this up. But, like, recently, like, the past year, if I have something to do the next day, like a. Like a first day of something of work or whatever, or, like, a big day of press or whatever, I feel like I have to wear a pajama set or else it's gonna be really bad.

[B]

Did you put on this pajama set because you knew you were coming on Call her Daddy. Wait, after you have tried out, what does it look like?

[C]

I tried on a new one last night that I've never worn, but I ordered online, and I looked like a 1930s, like, jester.

[B]

And so you're just, like, trying out new PJ sets left and right? Trying out. Not.

[C]

No, none. Literally, none of them are sexy. They're either, like, I can do with, like, a long nightgown or, like. Or just, like, a cozy set, like, top and bottom and. But last night was really. I had to change. I had to change because I'm like, this almost. I think this might give me bad luck. There was, like, weird cinching happening that I felt like my arms were getting cut off. Yeah, no, but I'll get the video from. Because he's like, what? He was like, did you miss clown school or something?

[B]

Thinking of you being like, okay, I'm going on caller daddy tomorrow. What should I do? And you're putting this shit on. He's like, you look like an actual clown. Take it off.

[C]

I look. It's literally, like, red, white. No, red and, like, navy stripes with, like, almost like a bib thing. It looked so cute online. And I got them for my sisters, so now we all have them. And I remember actually thinking, like, when I gave them to them, I think they must have worn them, and I was like, do you like your pajamas? And I remember, like, kind of not loving their response, and they were like, yeah, they're cute. And now I know why I put them on last night. And I was like, this is.

[B]

This is actually heinous. Goodbye. Goodbye. Okay, See, we needed to know these things. Okay, what's the worst lie you ever told to get out of plans?

[C]

You know, I feel like when I was younger, I would, like, really try and come up with an excuse out of, like, not wanting to hurt people's feelings. But I really take pride in just telling the truth now. Like, I love canceling plans and saying, like, I'm really tired, or, like, I don't want to leave my house, or, like. Like, I'm trying to do that as much as possible.

[B]

I actually respect that more than when you get the text. It's like, okay, yeah, my grandmother. I'm like, wait, you said she died, right? Well, she's back, right? And. And then you go on this long tangent. You're like, just tell me you don't want to come or you can't come.

[C]

Yes. Yes.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

So that's what I'm. That's what I try and do.

[B]

What's a childhood secret you never told your parents?

[C]

I actually just let one secret out that I kept. I got a tattoo. And I mean, so long ago. And I never told my parents. And we were on vacation last summer, and I had a couple drinks, and I was like, guys, look. And I flipped because I got it in my lip.

[B]

What does it say?

[C]

It says 99. And it's for my grandpa. It was, like, a grandpa thing. And I was drunk and thought that my mom would love it because it's, like, for her dad. And they were like, what? What because they've thought I've had no tattoos, and I let it. I let it slip that I do.

[B]

And they freaked out.

[C]

They freaked out, but it's also fine now.

[B]

They think it's inside your lips. You can't see it.

[C]

It's like.

[B]

So you have no other tattoos?

[C]

I have a little spider here.

[B]

When did you get that?

[C]

I got it with Jackson on my birthday. Like two years ago, maybe almost three years ago.

[B]

When is your birthday?

[C]

November 21.

[B]

Are you into your horoscope or. No, I. I'm into it.

[C]

I don't know a lot about it, but I'm down for it. Scorpio. Oh, see, that's the face I always get.

[B]

Well, I dated, I think a Scorpio.

[C]

Man, and I don't know any Scorpio men. What are they like? Scary.

[B]

What is Jackson?

[C]

Pisces.

[B]

Oh, that's good.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Scorpio men. They'll you up Mental.

[C]

Mental games. Scary.

[B]

Yeah, scary. But, you know, I think women are great. A lot of my friends are Scorpio, so I love.

[C]

Okay, good.

[B]

So you're. You're totally good.

[C]

I'm in. Okay.

[B]

Okay. Let's talk about the twisted tale Amanda Knox.

[C]

Let's do it.

[B]

I will never forget the day interviewed her. Oh, my God. Yes, I know. I met her. Oh, my God. This was like, years ago, and it was before I even had video podcasting. She came to my house, her husband came, they brought their child, and I met her, and I was just like, I need to know everything. Like, she just has.

[C]

And she'll tell you.

[B]

I know she'll tell you everything. And she's such an open book. Talk to me about how rewarding it was to play this character.

[C]

It was. It was amazing. It's like, it really feels like the most important thing I've ever done and ever will do. Just being able to help somebody tell their story in their own way is so, just so cool. And I'm so, so honored that I got to be a part of it.

[B]

Is it true that you have said throughout your career you always wanted to play her?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

What drew you to it?

[C]

I remember watching the documentary, the Netflix one, in like 2015 or 16, whenever that came out. And I just remember watching her and being like, I want this person is so fascinating. Like, yes, the story is crazy and. And I can't believe the story and the details of it, but I thought she was just so interesting, and I couldn't get a. I couldn't quite get a full grasp on her, and I just Wanted to know more. So, like, that. That intrigued me.

[B]

No, you were incredible. And I think you did such a great job of making your own while also staying true to Amanda and the integrity of her story. Like, how much time did you get to spend with Amanda?

[C]

Pre shooting, I found out I got the job and then I had, like, two months.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

So that was. Those two months were, like, crammed in with a lot of learning Italian and talking to her as much as I could. But, like, throughout the whole shoot, I was talking to her pretty frequently.

[B]

Amazing.

[C]

Because she was. I mean, you've met her. She's so open and so vulnerable. I felt like if I had a question at any moment, I could just, like, text her and call her and she was just so there.

[B]

Then after this, we are going back to Tell Me Lies because season three then is going to come out. I know you can't say anything, but to wrap up number one. So you filmed everything so you know what the finale is? You're sitting in my presence with this knowledge.

[C]

I wish I. I could tell you.

[B]

I feel like the cast, I feel like I've seen in the past always has tried to predict or like, bet on what they think is going to happen. Oh, yeah. Did you guys bet on anything for this season? And did anyone get it right?

[C]

Honestly? No.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

No.

[B]

That scares me there.

[C]

Yeah. There are some things that I really, really did not see coming.

[B]

Okay, last question then. Can you describe season three, Tell Me Lies, in three words?

[C]

It's fucking chaotic.

[B]

It's perfect. Fucking chaotic. Bye, dude. Thank you so much for coming. Thank you. So fun to meet you. I'm so excited to see what you continue to do. Like, you're so talented. You have so much obviously that's coming and I'm just a fan, so I'm really excited to watch your career.

[C]

I'm such a fan of you. I'm so happy we got to do this.

[B]

This was really good.

[C]

Thank you. I'm like, it's. It's so cr.

[B]

Like, you did it. You sat in the associating.

[C]

Cuz I'm like, I've watched this so many times. It crazy.

[B]

You did it.

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