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Gwyneth Paltrow: The Ultimate Dating Roster (FBF)
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Gwyneth Paltrow joins Call Her Daddy to reflect on past relationships and give the life advice we all need to hear. Gwyenth opens up about her engagement to Brad Pitt and discusses how she came to the decision that she wasn’t yet ready for marriage. Speaking of her exes, Gwyneth plays a little game called “Brad or Ben” where she determines whether Brad Pitt or Ben Affleck was the better boyfriend. Who was more romantic? Who was better in bed? Gwyneth reminisces on her love story with Chris Martin and how she ultimately knew when it was time to end the marriage. Gwynth shares the wildest place she’s had sex, why she loves vibrators and chimes in on the nepo baby debate.
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Alex Cooper
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Thank you very much.
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Alex Cooper
I am so happy you're here. How is it feeling? How are the vibes?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
The vibes are a triple plus. I mean, it's gorgeous. The marble table, the colors. It's very soothing.
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Alex Cooper
Thank you. Because I know you're very into, like, home design yourself.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Yes.
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Alex Cooper
How would you describe your style?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
I think I always like a traditional frame, so, you know, like, walls, fixtures, floors. I like it to feel like there's some history and some provenance with it. I think I always gravitate towards a house where, like, the bones are more traditional.
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Alex Cooper
That's like, I always want cozy vibes. I actually designed this. The pink color in this room is the exact color that I have in my closet. And so I wanted it to feel like we were kind of at my house, but I wanted to bring a little bit of me to the studio, which is very fun.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
This actually, this. This wall color is very similar to our goop office wall color.
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Alex Cooper
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Well, I guess I should start by saying, like, I was so driven, like I was working so hard and I didn't know exactly what I was working towards. I just wanted to be successful and to be well regarded. And I, you know, was kind of on this really fast track and it all kind of happened so quickly, which is what I think you're alluding to. And then for somebody like me who, you know, I think I was working through a lot of the harder parts of my growing up, through achieving success. And once I won the Oscar, it put me into a little bit of an identity crisis because if you win the biggest prize, like what are you supposed to do and where are you supposed to go? I also, it was hard. Like the amount of attention that you receive on a night like that in the weeks following is so disorienting and, and frankly, really unhealthy. I was like, this is, this is crazy. Like, I don't know if I can. I don't know what to do. I don't know which way is. Is up. And so I think it was a lot. And then I also, you know, not that I would give it back or anything, like, it was an amazing experience, but it kind of called a lot of things into question for me. And then I think because I hadn't done a lot of healing work yet, I was like, well, now I need to, you know, what am I going to do? Where am I going to? How am I going to continue to achieve?
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Alex Cooper
Do you mind sharing, like, when you're referencing, like, you were working towards solving the things in your past?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Yeah.
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Alex Cooper
Do you mind sharing what you're talking about?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Yeah, sure. I mean, I think, you know, we all go through traumatic things in our childhood and, you know, I think our parents, especially my parents, generation that had a very different orientation around parenting. It's like, you know, Apple and her brother are like, you know, I kind of revolve around them and, and, and hopefully not to their detriment, but I think it was. I grew up in a generation where there wasn't that orientation. And I think, you know, we, we moved a lot to move with my mom when she was working, which also, of course, had great things, but it was, you know, it could be very. It could feel destabilizing. And I think there was. There were also like, really high standards prescribed to me in my house. I don't even know if my parents were conscious they were doing it, but I always felt like I had to prove on some level that I, I was worth something, that I was lovable. And not only from my parents, but I think just from the culture that I was growing up in.
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Alex Cooper
No, I get what you're saying, and I think that's something I've been realizing in therapy is like, of course we can look at how our parents us up. Like, I don't think there's anyone on the planet that's like, my parents were absolute perfect. Like. But I do think generationally, it's also important to look at, not to give them a free pass, but, like, they don't have the tools that we now have of, like, therapy wasn't even a conversation. Mental health wasn't even a conversation. So even you saying, like, I don't even think they were aware of the pressure they were putting on me. It, it does make sense now, especially if you are in therapy or working on yourself. Like the past generations, to me it's, it's very apparent and as like what they were lacking and how fortunate we are now to have conversations with like you having with your children. When you talk about having this like almost like crisis of like you win this Oscar, everyone's looking at you. You're this beautiful young woman. How do you think that impacted like your self worth at the time?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
I felt a real pivot on that night because I felt like up until that moment everybody was kind of rooting for me in a way. And then when I won, it was like too much, you know, and I could feel a real turn. And I remember I was working in England a lot at the time. For some reason I was doing all my movies in the uk and I remember the British press being so horrible to me because I cried, you know, and they didn't necessarily know that, you know, my grandfather was dying of cancer. My dad, who was in the audience with me was like, had just had all this crazy cancer treatment and he, he was really debilitated and it was just this totally overwhelming moment. And you know, I was 26, like I cried and people were so mean about it and I just thought like, wow, there's this big energy shift that's happening and I think I'm going to have to learn to be less open hearted and much more protective of myself and filter people out better. It was like this big reckoning in a way.
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Alex Cooper
When I think back to the 90s, I think it's so funny that so many trends are coming back. Like Apple just walked in and just like, mom, look, I'm wearing your shirt from the night. It's like everything is making comebacks. But the one thing that I feel like never went out of style and I have to say it is Brad Pitt. I have to say it. I agree. How did you meet Brad Pitt? Because you guys were like the hottest couple. Okay, how did you meet Brad?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
I met Brad on the set of seven and I think I was only 22 years old at the time. And I, I had seen him in Thelma and Louise and like whatever the other movies he had been in. So obviously everyone knew he was like the most gorgeous movie star in America. And I got this little part in Seven and I was so excited to meet him and Morgan Freeman, who I had like grown up adoring as an actor. And we, we got, we sort of said hi on set and it was like major, major love at first sight. It was crazy.
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Alex Cooper
I just got chills. The fact that you get to Be like, I had love at first sight with Brad Pitt and it was mutual. Okay, Gwyneth, no big fucking deal. So you eventually got engaged? Yes, to Brad. How did he propose and how did you initially feel about him proposing?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Well, we went out for. We had been going out for like a. I felt like a long time. And I was like, ready to get married. And I was like, ready. And we were in Argentina. He was filming a movie down there. And I had gone down there for most of it and was like making dinner and, you know, hanging out with him. And one night we were kind of on the balcony of this house we were renting in this little town in Argentina. And I wish I remembered exactly what he said, but he proposed. It was fantastic. I was thrilled.
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Alex Cooper
And you, were you surprised or did you know this was coming? Did you guys talk about it?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
We had talked about it, but I was surprised in the moment. I remember that.
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Alex Cooper
And how old were you at this point?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
I must have been 24. Oh my gosh.
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Alex Cooper
So I know, I've read that you ended the engagement with Brad because you were like, I, I was too young. I was not ready to get married. And I feel like when you are in love, I don't care what age, sometimes you can be so in it that you don't see big picture. How did you realize that you were not ready to get married?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Well, I had a lot of development left to do. Looking back in hindsight, like, you know, in a lot of ways, I didn't really fully start to come into myself until I was like 40 years old. And I had such a pleasing issue. Like, I. I didn't even really understand how to listen to my instincts and act from that place, like, for what was right for me. I was always trying to adjudicate, like, what's right for everybody else. You know, being this sort of thermostat in the room, like, oh, you know, it's getting a little uncomfortable. Like, let me cool it down. Like, it's getting cold. Let me warm things up. And always sort of outsourcing that and not, not really giving myself, like, the dignity of being close to myself, you know. And so when I look back, you know, I. I think I was really a kid, like, really more so than a lot of 22 or 23 or 24 year olds I would meet now. You know, I really had not explored who I was, what was important to me, what my boundaries were, anything like that. And so I was totally heartbroken when we broke up. But it was just, you know, the right thing at that time. But it was really. It was really hard.
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Alex Cooper
When you say you broke up, like, did. Is that how you explained it to him? Like, I'm too young. Like, I can't do this.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
No, it was like there were sort of a number of things that had happened. And also, he was nine years older than I am. I guess he's still nine years older than me. And so he was, like, far more. He knew what he wanted. He was, like, ready to do it. And I was kind of all over the place. And so it was really, like, one of those difficult things where I felt like, oh, my God, I'm not. I'm not only am I not ready, but I'm not, like, living up to the standards again, you know, it was like a familiar refrain that I felt about myself.
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Alex Cooper
When you think back to that time period, like, what questions do you think people should be asking themselves if they're wondering, like, am I ready to get married? Because, like, I know there's a lot of young women listening that it's like, oh, maybe I am. Like, how will I know? Like, do you have any advice?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
I think that as women, we know on such a deep level what is right for us. And so it's really just a matter of how many layers we've put on top of that. And I do think we're socialized as. As. As women in this country to not do that. Like, we don't tune in and really listen to ourselves. And so I would say the best thing is, like, to work on your friendship with yourself. The closer you are to yourself, then the more decisions you will make from that place, and that will be the right decision.
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Alex Cooper
Anytime I have a deep conversation with my friend, whether it was like she stayed in a relationship too long or I was in a toxic relationship, you always kind of know, you know, and, like, I really feel like a woman's intuition is never wrong. Like, when you're feeling something's off. A lot of the times we're just not acting on ending something or doing something for ourselves because there's a layer, like you said, of something prohibiting us from making that decision. Whether it's like, the societal issues of, like, we're living in this patriarchal society, and you're like, I want to please the man. And it's been so ingrained. Like, whatever it is, usually it's actually, you know, the truth. You just have to be in tune with yourself. That takes a lot of time, though.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Yes. And one layer of complexity I would add is that, you know, when I look back and I think this is pretty pervasive. Like most of us are sort of replaying relationship. That dynamic out in our romantic life that we had with our most difficult parental relationship. Like Kerry Washington said to me the other day, there's only one letter difference between parent and partner. And which I thought was, you know, a very succinct way of articulating it because, you know, that's something that I did for sure in my romantic relationships. And some people don't do that and you know, they're attaching in really healthy ways. But, you know, those are things to keep in the back of your mind too. Like, am I trying to work something out with this person that's really my own work? Because a lot of times that means you shouldn't be with that person. You should go do your work and then find somebody that's going to really uplift you.
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Alex Cooper
Because most of the time when you're in a situation with someone that you're trying to play out, like your issues with your dad or your issues with your mom, you're right. Then when you actually go do the work, you wouldn't go back to that partner. You're like, wait, no, no, no, that actually doesn't work for me at all.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
That's right.
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Alex Cooper
I'm interested to also know about Brad and then we're moving on. But like, actually let's do the whole episode about Brad when you're. Since you're in this Hollywood sphere of like, it's a pretty close knit group. How did you guys like move on? And like, I'm sure you saw each other at parties and like had to socialize in moments. Like, was it awkward for you? And like, do you guys would. It's not awkward now, obviously, but like, how did you go about running into each other?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Yeah, right. They always say like, Hollywood is like high school with money. It's like kind of true. Which is probably why I didn't live here for so long. I remember seeing him. This is so crazy, like, because I was so, I was like heartbroken and so upset, you know. And then I remember the first time I saw him, I was presenting at the Academy of Words the year after I won. And I like walked out and I was like, I was so, so cognizant of him being there and I was like, oh my God, this is so scary and so awkward because he's probably.
- [22:56]
Alex Cooper
Like in almost front row.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Yeah, he was like right there. And we hadn't talked in like a couple years.
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Alex Cooper
You're like, I would be like, I'm basically giving a speech to my ex.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
And I was like, I think I even fumbled my words. I was like, yeah, I Hope that's.
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Alex Cooper
On YouTube so I can go watch that. After that, all of a sudden, he's gonna, like, spike up to, like.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
It was like the year after I won. Yeah. Oh, my God. It was so crazy. I know. He's a great guy. He's. He's just. He's wonderful. I really like him a lot.
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Alex Cooper
Yeah. Casual. Okay. Another relationship you had was with Ben Affleck, which is like, I'm sitting here being like, you have the most stacked roster of any person that has ever. Come on. Call her daddy. Gwyneth. I'm not kidding. I'm like, no one has sat in a chair. And I'm like, brad Pitt, Ben Affleck. I'm like, what? Tell us your tips. My actual question was this. Do you think that all of your exes have bought your vagina candle? They want to really relive the good times.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
That's what it's there for.
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Alex Cooper
Can you imagine someone's, like, going into Brad Pitt's house and like, is that Gwyneth's vagina candle? What the fuck? Okay, we're gonna play a game.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Okay.
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Alex Cooper
Brad or Ben? It'll be fun. Okay.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Brad.
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Alex Cooper
Nope, I didn't even ask a question.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Oh, I thought that was the question. Brad or Ben?
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Alex Cooper
Okay, that's so good. Okay, okay, okay. Now overall, it's Brad now. Call her Daddy is brought to you by T mobile. Do you ever meet someone and they're the total package? That's what it feels like being with T mobile Daddy gang. Okay. You won't believe what you get with magenta status. First off, you. It is amazing coverage. You're connected where life takes you at home, overseas, in the air, or even off the grid. Okay? Plus, you get unbeatable value from day one. That's not even the icing on the cake. You ready? You can get perks on travel, dining, concerts, streaming, and more with T Mobile. You're a member with magenta status from day one. Experience amazing value, next level connectivity and access to exclusive benefits. You really can have your cake and eat it too. Here's the thing about magenta status. I am someone who needs to be having so much work done on a plane. I'm constantly traveling for work, and if I'm up there and I can't get my access, I'm going to have a mental breakdown. Okay. Also, it is so nice to be able to stream and watch my favorite shows. Also, the best part of staying in a nice hotel, right? Feeling like you've got that extra access, that little extra value that you're getting from T Mobile. They're always looking out for us. So Daddy gang experience, Magenta status@t mobile.com benefits. Call her. Daddy is brought to you by Tinder. Meeting new people just got way more fun. Because now you don't have to do it alone. With Tinder's new double date feature, you and your bestie can match together. Tap the double date icon to see profiles built for two. When two pairs match, the group chat kicks off. Scope the profiles, send memes, keep the chat fun, hype each other up, flirt a little, maybe plan a hangout. You guys, this is the new way to do it. Try the new Tinder double date. Explore all the possibilities. Tinder. It starts with a swipe. Download Tinder today. Okay, who had better style?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Oh, my gosh. I'm going back back in time now, trying to assess wardrobes. Probably Brad.
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Alex Cooper
Okay, who was more romantic?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Brad.
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Alex Cooper
Brad. Who was more likely to make you laugh?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Ben.
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Alex Cooper
Who were you more likely to get into an argument with?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Ben.
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Alex Cooper
Who was more high maintenance?
- [27:23]
Gwyneth Paltrow
Gosh, that's a really good question. I'm not sure I would characterize either of them as high maintenance. They were both, like, pretty chill. Yeah.
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Alex Cooper
Okay. Who cared more about their appearance?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Ooh, I'm not sure. I feel like neither of them were very vain like that. Like, I'm not attracted to guys who are, like, looking in the mirror the whole time.
- [27:50]
Alex Cooper
Yeah, you little scruff.
- [27:52]
Gwyneth Paltrow
Like a little scruff. Although Ben did have, like, a mirror face that he would throw at the mirror.
- [27:58]
Alex Cooper
You have to do it for us.
- [27:59]
Gwyneth Paltrow
Like, I can't really remember, but it's sort of like, you know, like, he had a funny mirror face. I think he was joking, though.
- [28:07]
Alex Cooper
Okay, okay. Who was a better kisser?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Oh, my God. Let me think. Gosh, I have to remember so far back, they were both good kissers.
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Alex Cooper
Okay, who was better in bed?
- [28:21]
Gwyneth Paltrow
That's really hard. That is really hard because, like, Brad was like, the sort of major chemistry, love of your life kind of like, at the time, you know? And then, like, Ben was, like, technically. Excellent.
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Alex Cooper
Holy fuck.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
I can't believe my daughter is listening to this.
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Alex Cooper
Technically.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Yeah.
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Alex Cooper
Excellent.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Yeah.
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Alex Cooper
Holy God bless JLO and everything. She's getting over there. Oh, my God. That's amazing. Okay, last question. Okay, this is really gonna cause some issues.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Am I blushing?
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Alex Cooper
I am. Oh, my gosh. Who is the better actor?
- [29:09]
Gwyneth Paltrow
Oh, Wow. I mean, they're both so talented, I feel like. And Ben is a great writer and director, but I guess I would probably have to say acting alone, Brad. Like, if you think of all the really different roles he's done, I mean, Ben is great, too.
- [29:34]
Alex Cooper
They're both great.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
They're both great.
- [29:36]
Alex Cooper
I mean, you've got great exes. Like, you can't really go wrong. You know what I mean?
- [29:40]
Gwyneth Paltrow
And those are just the ones you know about.
- [29:42]
Alex Cooper
Oh, well, we're gonna get to that. You can't tease me here, Gwyneth, and expect. I was going to ask, you know, we know a lot of your exes, but would you be willing to maybe drop a name of someone you've, like, even had a make out with? That's a list that, like, the world doesn't know about.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
I don't think I could say the name. Can you give me.
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Alex Cooper
What about a little Leo action?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
No, never made out with Leo.
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Alex Cooper
Never.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
He tried back in the day, but he was already like, you know, he was very doing his thing, loose with the goods, like from when he was 19.
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Alex Cooper
What about Johnny Depp?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Never made out with him. We did a movie together, but we did not make out.
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Alex Cooper
Bradley Cooper?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
No, I don't even know Bradley Cooper. I mean, I've met him, but I've never, like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know.
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Alex Cooper
Okay, well, we're gonna have to sidebar. You have to tell me one that I can, like, hold close to the chest.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
I'll tell you after.
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Alex Cooper
Okay.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Okay.
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Alex Cooper
You also dated and married Chris Martin, one of the biggest musicians in the world. Yep. Shout Out, Coldplay, Love him Out. We are gonna do a little one last game.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Okay.
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Alex Cooper
Fuck, Marry, Kill. Brad Pitt, Ben Affleck and Chris Martin.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Wow. Well, obviously I'd marry Chris Martin because he gave me my two children who are the loves of my life. So I would do that all again. Wow. But Kill is so. That's such a hardcore.
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Alex Cooper
It's not actually. It's like, put to the wayside.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Okay, I can.
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Alex Cooper
One more time. I think we know your answer.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
I think. Brad.
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Alex Cooper
Brad. Yeah, yeah.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
And then Ben. Yeah.
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Alex Cooper
God bless Ben.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
God bless him.
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Alex Cooper
God bless him and his Dunkin Donuts. Okay, what initially attracted you to Chris?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
So Chris and I met. It's. It's a funny story. I was a huge Coldplay fan when his first album, Parachutes, came out. And I loved it. I was doing a movie in London again, as usual, and I was kind of had the TV on in the background and he was playing. They were playing at Glastonbury. And when I heard the music and I, like, you know, had this very powerful reaction to it, I was like, this is incredible. And I watched their whole thing, and I was like, this band is going to be huge. And no one had really heard of them in America at the time. I remember coming home and, like, telling everyone about this great band, and they said, you know, they're going to be playing this teeny show. I think it was maybe at the Bowery Ballroom or something. So I went with Mary, my best friend from kindergarten that I was telling you about. And because I was there, I. Someone wrote in the newspaper that we were dating, we had never met. And it was. I was like, what? Like, you know, he's like five years younger than me. And I was like, please, I'm not. Like, we're not dating. I just went to this thing and we thought. And then. But they kept writing it all summer, all summer, all summer. And then that fall, my dad died, unfortunately, in sort of a surprising way. And my brother and I were listening to that Parachutes record. I mean, not Parachutes, Rush of Blood to the Head. All the time. All the time. And I remember I had called Mary and I said, like, I need you to get. I need you to come to London. Like, I. I can't breathe without my dad. I don't know what, you know, to do. And so she came over, and then someone reminded me we had had tickets to go see Coldplay that night, but from, you know, months before my dad died. And I was like, I can't go. And she was like, gwinnie. Like, please, we can't. Like, we have to get you out of the house and get some air, even if it's just for. And it was really hard for her, too, because my dad was like, her dad. And she's like, you've got to stop smoking cigarettes. We've got to get out of here. And I was like, okay. And so we went and. Because they had been writing that we were boyfriend and girlfriend, you know, his. His assistant Vicky, who we still love to this day. She was like. She came and said, like, oh, hi. This is so crazy. You want to go meet your boyfriend, you know, after the show? So we went backstage and we met, and he was just so sweet. And, like, I met him when he was, like, 25, and I had just turned 30, and he was like, Tigger the Tiger, you know, bouncing around. And I really didn't even think we would go out, but, I don't know. He called me and Asked me to come to Ireland to see him and go to a show. And I was so depressed. So my. And I remember my other friend Henrietta, at this time saying, you know, she was like. I said, this is crazy. This kid from Coldplay asked me to go, you know, see his concert. Like, this is nuts. Like, I'm not going. And she's like, yeah, you've got to go. This is the first time you've smiled since your dad died.
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Alex Cooper
Oh, my God.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
So I went.
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Alex Cooper
How was your relationship with Chris different from all of your, like, previous relationships?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Well, you know, there was just something. I don't know. I think there are certain things that kind of have felt preordained in my life, and, like, my. My children feel like. To me, like, the whole reason I'm on this earth. And so when I met him, there was a very deep thing there, and I couldn't quite put my finger on it because it felt very different than my other relationships. And it's not so much that the relationship itself turned out to be, like, healthier than my other relationships. It's just that I think I had this deep calling. On some level. I knew he was going to be the father of my kids, maybe or something.
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Alex Cooper
Oh, my God.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
It was very. It was a very strong feeling.
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Alex Cooper
Yeah, I'm interested to know, too. Like, you know, you mentioned that right before you kind of met Chris, like, a few weeks prior, your dad had passed.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Yeah. Three weeks before.
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Alex Cooper
How did that impact, do you think? Like, the early days of your relationship?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
I mean, I was broken. I was. My father was, you know, like, I just adored him. And he was like, you know, my. My teacher, my rabbi, that. He was, like, the comedian. He was, like, so unconditionally loving, and he was the center of all of our. My whole family kind of centered on him. So when he died, you know, I was completely, like, decimated. And so I was very raw and very open. You know, didn't totally have my. Like, I couldn't see straight. Like, I was in full. Full grief. I don't. I don't know how Chris kind of, like, dealt with me through that time.
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Alex Cooper
Yeah. Because I'm interested. Like, I think loss is. There's no way to describe, like, how you're gonna grieve and thinking about, like, meeting Chris, falling in love while also, like, deeply grieving. Those are, like, very opposite emotional headspaces to be in. And when you look back, do you think that affected your perception of, like, of the relationship at all?
- [37:08]
Gwyneth Paltrow
Probably. I don't see how it couldn't have, like, I was so altered and so destroyed. I can't imagine it didn't, you know, and I can't imagine that I didn't project, like, hope and safety and future, you know, onto him because I was in such a bad state.
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Alex Cooper
Yeah. So we talked about how you were engaged at one point to shout out Brad. And then you eventually. Who doesn't love Brad? You love Brad. We all love Brad. I love how it's like, Brad or Ben. This is about to be a game. You're like, brad. I'm like, wait, I didn't play the game yet. We all love Brad. Shout out Brad. You know we love you. So you got engaged and you said you weren't ready to be married.
- [37:52]
Gwyneth Paltrow
Right.
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Alex Cooper
You marry Chris. How did you know when it was time to end a marriage and to move on with your life?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Well, it was interesting because, again, like, being so driven by this, like, feeling of the impending children. Like, I. I got pregnant really quickly and had our kids, like, in pretty quick succession. And so then you're sort of thrown into, like, I, I was, like, in grief. And then I. I had Apple and then I had Moses, and. And then I think you just. You just try to make it work, especially for me. You know, I don't, like, barely. I think we have one, you know, barely any divorce in our family. All of my best friends from, you know, elementary school, high school, they're all married to, like, their college sweetheart. Like, no one I wasn't around. Like, I just felt like it was such a failure and, and even contemplating us not being together. And I. I was so worried about it for the kids and for what it said about me, and it was so hard. And then, you know, I. I really wanted something very different to what he wanted. And I felt very kind of lonely in the marriage in a lot of ways. And I just finally got to the point where I thought, like, you know, I need to listen to myself. And so, you know, it wasn't until right after I turned, you know, it was kind of around. It was sort of like around 38 that I started to sense that the marriage wasn't going to last. And then I tried really hard for another couple of years, but, you know, I say this all the time because it's true. You get this software upgrade when you turn 40. Like, you just get an upgrade. Like, you wake up and your software is upgraded, and you're like, wow, this is bizarre. Like, I don't care what anybody thinks of me. Like, I like myself. Like, you click into this thing. And that happens again when you're 50, by the way. And it's so. It's so. It feels like you feel whole. And I just realized, like, I. I need to not be in this. I need. I need something else. And it's okay if I'm alone, and it's okay if I disappoint people, and it's okay if I never find anyone again. All the things that you're so worried about, you know, when you're contemplating divorce. And I. I chose myself.
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Alex Cooper
I love that. And thank you for sharing, because I. I don't even. Like, no matter where you're at in your life, I do feel like it kind of goes back to what you said of, like, we know when we're not happy, when we're not feeling it, when it's not right anymore. Doesn't mean it wasn't right.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Right.
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Alex Cooper
But, like, we keep growing and we keep evolving as individuals, and naturally, sometimes that means you're gonna outgrow a partner or you're going to outgrow something that you initially were attracted to, and I think that's okay. And I think especially as women, it's like, a very negative feeling and shameful feeling you have on yourself if it's you the one that's having those feelings. Because I feel like we always learned, like, men will leave and men will do this, but if it's you, like, it has been a pretty, like, new concept that, like. Like, oh, my God, you can leave a marriage. Like, you can stand up for yourself. You can have a voice. So I appreciate you sharing that because it is in some way inspirational to just know, like, you have these incredible children. You had a, you know, a healthy marriage at one point, and then it's like. And then it's time to move on. And that's okay.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
It is okay. It is okay. And it's, like, not what you want, and it's not. When you get married, it's not what you hope for. But it's okay if it's not the right thing anymore, you know? And for me, it really then became about, is it possible to stay a family with this person that I really love? And I. I wanted to minimize the impact on our children, which, of course, they're impacted, and divorce is terrible. And I know it was really hard on them, and. But I wanted it to be as least, you know, like, I wanted to try to figure out a way that Chris and I could stay like, real family, which we have.
- [42:26]
Alex Cooper
The last question I have on that is, like, has it gotten easier to co parent, like in the beginning? I, I can imagine it's like any family feels it like it's a little rocky or like trying to get your footing and then eventually does it get to a place where like it does feel more co parent cohesive if you.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Work on it, like you really have to work at it. And I think you have to choose every day to remember the good in the person, why you love them, you know, hold them with a lot of love and respect and cultivate that, especially on days that you don't feel that because you feel, you know, wronged or angry or whatever it is, you know, and, and so it became a practice for me to remember all the ways in which, you know, Chris was a blessing in my life. And, you know, and like, there are just things about him that are so fantastic and he's so funny and he's so talented and he's goofy and we all laugh a lot. And so I tried to really focus on those things and then also use the opportunity to focus on my side of the street and what I had not done well and what I could learn and, you know, the ways in which I hurt him and the ways, you know, so it was a, it was a big. I think, you know, it's probably best said, like, I really milked the opportunity and you know, it's like a divorce. Sounds weird to say it's opportunity, but I really wanted to learn as much as possible and I wanted to grow as much as I possibly could out of it.
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Alex Cooper
Yeah. I kind of feel like a theme today is just like knowing what's best for yourself.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Yeah.
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Alex Cooper
And you played a vital role in starting the MeToo movement and you were very open about your experience. How did you decide to come forward and talk about everything?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
It was scary because, you know, I had grown up watching the women who had spoken out be reviled, rejected, you know, pilloried in the town square. And I had never seen a model where a woman could speak out and there would be repercussions that weren't were on the man and not on the woman. And so this was a story that, you know, everybody, it was like this, the worst kept secret. Not that Harvey Weinstein was raping people, but, you know, that he was sort of crossing boundaries and trying stuff on. And we all kind of knew that was happening. And like my story had happened to 10 of my friends, you know.
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Alex Cooper
But.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
When I had learned the full extent of what he had done through my cooperation with the New York Times and talking To Jodi and Megan, who are two incredible women. Women, incredible investigative journalists. I just thought, you know, this is. This has got to stop. And I felt like if maybe there was a chance it could impact the workplace for my daughter and her friends, like, I felt really obligated to say something.
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Alex Cooper
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Gwyneth Paltrow
I mean, I think you have to tread lightly and let them come to you. I remember my kids both went to this fantastic elementary school here in Los Angeles once we moved from London and they taught them sex ed in sixth grade, which, yeah, like, okay, I just. But I really was not prepared with the information that they came home with. What did they Say, I will never forget Apple and her best friend, Emily, sitting at our kitchen banquette in shock. Like color drained from their face. They taught them everything. Everything. Anything you're thinking they taught. Like the 11, 12 year olds told them everything.
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Alex Cooper
What?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
I swear.
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Alex Cooper
And what are they saying to you? Like, mom, they're like, do people do this? Beyond. You're like, you know what? One day you'll hear a little bit more of this on Call her Daddy Apple.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Exactly.
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Alex Cooper
It will be in a more appropriate time.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Well, that's what I was gonna say. Then you took over so I didn't have to tell her anything.
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Alex Cooper
Holy. So I'm in Hawaii, and I'm walking to the elevator with my boyfriend. We're staying at a resort. And I see this girl sprinting down the hallway with a bag. And I'm like, what is going on? I think she's beelining it to me. It is a fan of mine. And she hands me a goop bag. And there was. There's like a goop store in this Hawaii resort, the Monolani. Shout out. So I'm like, oh, thank you. She's like, I love you. Like, you've taught me so much. Like, I want you to enjoy your vacation, and winks at me. So I go upstairs and I open it and it's a beautiful vibrator. And I was like, oh, my God, this is incredible. And then immediately I'm like, thanks to Gwyneth, like, because I hadn't brought a vibrator on this trip. And it was used. And it was used again. It was great. It was a great time. It was a great time.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
I thought you were gonna say. I thought you just said, like, meaning you opened the box and it was used. I just died.
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Alex Cooper
And this vibrator was gonna fully used you? No, no, I used it on my trip. It was phenomenal. And so I'm curious to know because I. I'm a big advocate for toys and vibrators, especially for women. We have, like, obviously a harder time getting off. When is the first time you use the vibrator?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Wow. Probably when Sex in the City came out. And, you know, Samantha was talking about, like, everyone. I remember, like, you would go to a bridal shower and, like, there, all of a sudden there were vibrators, like, as party favors.
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Alex Cooper
And it's almost like they stopped being party favors and they need to be again. Because I remember in college being like, I think I need one. This is disgusting. Well, it's not. I started to use the back of my electric toothbrush because I didn't know where to get a vibrator at the time. Gwyneth. Yeah. Thanks to goop, now we know where to go.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Thank you.
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Alex Cooper
But at the time, it was like, I'll get a new toothbrush in the morning. Like, this is desperate times, calls for desperate measures. And there I was with a good old back of the toothbrush. I didn't use it in the morning. Everyone, don't come for me. Why do you think women are so intimidated, though, by vibrators?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Well, you know, this is a very. This, this could be like a very long discussion. I mean, there's such systemic shame for women historically, around pleasure. And we are, to your point, we do live in a patriarchal society. The paradigms aren't there for female pleasure. And so we've been taught to be, like, ashamed of it. Not ask for things, not ask, not say, like, this feels good or this doesn't feel good. And this is why at goop, we have really kind of indexed into this area because I really feel like it holds us back so much. It's this one area where. And look, I. Like, I'm still not comfortable talking about, like, this is inculcated in for decades. Like, it's. And I'm so happy when I see it changing in your generation. Apples, like, and this sort of freedom around the idea that women deserve pleasure. It makes me so happy to see that. But it has not always been that way.
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Alex Cooper
You're so right. The shame comes from obviously, as women, it's never been celebrated to, like, like, pleasure yourself. You hear about, like, men or boys when you're younger. It's like, oh, he's just touching himself. Oh, girl. It's like, stop doing that. Like, it's wrong. Just do it secretly. So now I love, though I agree that, like, it can be cute and fun and clean and not scary and veiny and too large, that you're like, that's bigger than my thigh. Like, what is happening? So, no, I really appreciate that you have what you've done, because now I have my little baby purple, little, like, bullet vibrator, and I use it all the time. I don't know if that freaks you out, but not at all.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Not in the slightest.
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Alex Cooper
Okay, Gwyneth, what is the craziest place that you've had sex?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
I mean, I've never. I don't know. I've been famous for so long that, like, you're getting. You know, I think one time back in the day, I did it in the. In an airplane bathroom on an overnight Flight to Paris. Would you.
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Alex Cooper
Would you drop the name of who it was with?
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Gwyneth Paltrow
It wasn't anyone famous.
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Alex Cooper
Okay.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Isn't that terrible?
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Alex Cooper
It's amazing. No, I'm like, I want the tea. I'm like, oh, that won't make headlines. No, I'm just kidding. No, that's great. Okay, so you were. When you were famous, you were having sex with normal men.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Yeah.
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Alex Cooper
You're.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
You're a woman of the people. I was. Yeah, of course.
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Alex Cooper
How would you meet normal guys, though, and, like, not be freaked out? Well.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Well, that's a good point. I mean, you know, do you know, like, I missed the whole dating app thing and all of that? Like, I totally missed that. Like, one normal guy dated when I was famous was, you know, friends with my friends growing up in New York, like, that kind of thing. There were. I think I dated, like, one or two.
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Alex Cooper
You're gonna tell us who that other A lister is at some point by.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
The end of this interview.
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Alex Cooper
Okay. You started a wellness brand, but you did this before it was cool to, like, start a wellness brand. How did you come up with the concept of goop?
- [54:19]
Gwyneth Paltrow
Well, I think kind of circling back to where we started. By the time I had Apple, I felt like I really needed a break from acting. I had worked, like, non stop for years and years and years running, running, running. And I had her, and I had, like, one of these moments in life, and, you know, we had, like, a really crazy birth. It was very dramatic, and I kind of at some point passed out after having a seizure. Anyway, I woke up and I opened my eyes, and these, like, giant blue eyes were looking right at me. We were like this. And I was like, this is. This is it. This is it. And Drew Barrymore actually said this to me the best, where she said, when she looked into her daughter Olive's eyes, she had the same thing. And then she said to Olive later, I was born the day you were born. It always makes me cry, because it's true, but that's how I felt. And, like, I didn't. I. I was like, I don't know what I'm gonna. I don't want to leave this baby. I don't want to go back to work. And luckily, I was in a position where I could take some time off with so many women in this country cannot do. And in Scandinavia, they do it and places like that, but we are not good at that. So I was very fortunate. And the longer I didn't work, the more I started to call into question, like, wait, was I doing that because I really loved it. Was it, like. And I gave myself the space to kind of contemplate if I wanted to go back or not. Ended up not doing a movie for, like, three years. I had my son, and then I went back a little bit to do, like, smaller parts and Iron man and stuff like that. But I actually never starred in a movie again since I was pregnant with Apple. Like, we were in my last starring role together. And then I did something which I think I would really encourage women to do, which is at some point, stop and say, like, am I where. Am I where I'm supposed to be? Am I doing what I love? Am I spending my life feeling fulfilled? And am I brave enough to give myself permission to do something different if I want to? And I knew that if I started a company, I would take a lot of shit for it. And people were like, what is she doing? And there was no model for this except for the great Jane Fonda, who had, you know, done her fitness business, but also took a ton of shit for that at the time. They called into question, like, her seriousness as an actress. Like, everybody likes us in one little box, you know? But I was really interested in this other space, which was really, essentially, like, connecting people to great things that would make their lives better. And I was. I had always been that person for my friends. Like, what temperature do I roast a chicken at? Like, where can I get a bikini wax in Paris? Like, you know? And I thought, God, you know, I love answering these questions so much. I love doing the research. I love figuring it out. Like, maybe I could do this as a job. And so percolated for a long, long, long, long time. And I got a lot of advice from different people. And that's when I thought, okay, I'll just start it as a newsletter, and then we'll see how it goes. And it was unmonetized. It was just, you know, I just was sending content out. And it stayed like that for probably five years until I had the guts to start to think around monetization and what I would do.
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Alex Cooper
It's amazing to hear you also explain it, because I. I agree. You immediately said Jane Fonda. As you were talking. I was thinking about Jane Fonda because I'm like, it's so crazy that as you're trying to put something together that had never been done, your first reaction, even though, like, you knew you wanted to do it, you. We immediately think, like, oh, my God, everyone's gonna shit on me. Like, they want me to just be Just be an actress. Like, just stay in your lane.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
That's right.
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Alex Cooper
And it's so detrimental because that's so not the only thing that you are talented with and that also that you're interested in. And so I love the story because it shows full circle of you putting into action an idea you had and then obviously creating something so much bigger that also is so helpful to so many women, including myself.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Thank you.
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Alex Cooper
What is one Goop product that you wish you had in your 20s that now you're suggesting to Apple and her friends, like, you need this.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
This is real. Because when I was in my 20s, I lay in the sun with baby oil on my face. I never use sunscreen. Believe me, I'm paying that price now.
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Alex Cooper
You look great.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
Thank you. I'll give you my surgeons. Please, please.
- [59:33]
Alex Cooper
But actually, please.
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Gwyneth Paltrow
So I wish that I had taken greater care of my skin earlier. And what's so great now is that, that we've come so far with product development and because clean beauty is a huge thing for me. Like, obviously, that's why. One of the main reasons we started goop, I was appalled at the levels of toxicity in beauty products that are largely unregulated. We put all over our skin. They're transdermally absorbed. They mess with our endocrine systems. There's, like, real toxicity levels and a lot of stuff that we think is safe. And that just drives me crazy.
- [60:12]
Alex Cooper
Yeah.
- [60:13]
Gwyneth Paltrow
So I saw a real white space, you know, to create these products. And. And anyway, like, for the women out there now, like, look, I would recommend. I mean, we have this new eye cream that's coming out right now that's so incredible. And it's, like, packed full of vitamin C, and it's got caffeine and niacinamide, and it works so well. And it's very preventative as well. So I can use it for my crow's feet and my dark circles, and Apple can use it preventatively.
- [60:45]
Alex Cooper
I love it. I need it.
- [60:46]
Gwyneth Paltrow
We brought you one. Oh, thank you. Thank you.
- [60:48]
Alex Cooper
You recently also launched the Goop Sex Instagram channel.
- [60:52]
Gwyneth Paltrow
Yes.
- [60:52]
Alex Cooper
What's a conversation that you're looking forward to having on that page?
- [60:57]
Gwyneth Paltrow
Well, again, like, just to sort of traverse back over what we were saying, it's so important for women to have places that they can, you know, and resources. And, like, that's why what you do is so fantastic in terms of destigmatating, destigmatization, creating a space where women can explore these questions and these feelings and, like, the normalization it's really beautiful. And I'm. I'm so glad that you do what you do.
- [61:27]
Alex Cooper
Thank you.
- [61:27]
Gwyneth Paltrow
And we. We really felt like, you know, there's more to explore here in terms of questions. People have products, et cetera. So we thought we'd make a dedicated page. You know, I learned from the Goop sex page. Like, I'm like, wow, what. What is this?
- [61:44]
Alex Cooper
I love that. One of my last questions is, I was just thinking about this for a second. Like, what do you think is a misconception about you?
- [61:55]
Gwyneth Paltrow
I think there are probably a few. I think, like, maybe not as much anymore, but I think, like, there was a misconception like, that I. That me and Goop, that we together were, like, wacky or, you know, like, dealing in pseudoscience, which is such bullshit. And, like, we're actually so rigorous around, like, what we're talking about. And. And sometimes we talk about really cutting edge things, but we really label the content as that. So we're not saying this is fact. We're saying, like, this is an emerging theory or something. So I think that's a way to keep also the power of the brand down. Right? So it's like, if you're threatening the status quo, like, people used to throw that at us a lot.
- [62:45]
Alex Cooper
What about personally?
- [62:47]
Gwyneth Paltrow
I think I can maybe come off or look quite cold maybe, or, like, unapproachable. I've heard. But I think I'm really opposite to that. Like, I do think I'm so curious about people, and I think I'm warm.
- [63:02]
Alex Cooper
But when you walked into my house, I was like, oh, my gosh. Hi. We, like, hugged, and I was like, I felt like a part of the family when Apple walked in. I'm like, oh, we're all going to hang like you. Yeah, I can dispel that rumor now. I have a gift for you.
- [63:16]
Gwyneth Paltrow
Really?
- [63:17]
Alex Cooper
Well, it's kind of a. Yeah, I'm gonna give it to you.
- [63:20]
Gwyneth Paltrow
It's Brad Pitt, guys.
- [63:21]
Alex Cooper
No, no, no. I saw a comment you made. Okay, wait, I saw a comment you made on the Internet.
- [63:27]
Gwyneth Paltrow
Okay.
- [63:28]
Alex Cooper
And I wanted to gift you this.
- [63:29]
Gwyneth Paltrow
What did I say? Oh, my God. I always, you know, me and my Internet comments.
- [63:38]
Alex Cooper
Oh, my God. Oh, this is so good.
- [63:45]
Gwyneth Paltrow
I hope you got one for Apple too.
- [63:47]
Alex Cooper
Oh, my God. I should love it. I saw your comment on Haley Beaver.
- [63:53]
Gwyneth Paltrow
This is so good. I'm gonna wear this loud and proud.
- [63:58]
Alex Cooper
I truly love it. No, Gwenna, thank you so much for coming on. This one's truly so fun. It wasn't. It wasn't too aggressive, right?
- [64:05]
Gwyneth Paltrow
Not at all. It was.
- [64:06]
Alex Cooper
You had a good time.
- [64:07]
Gwyneth Paltrow
I'll check in with her and see what Apple has to say about it.
- [64:10]
Alex Cooper
Apple, we're going to walk in is like this. No, seriously, thank you for coming on. This was so fun.
- [64:15]
Gwyneth Paltrow
Thank you for having me. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you so much. That was really fun. That was so fun.
- [64:20]
Alex Cooper
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