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Huda: Love Island Tell All
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Alex Cooper
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Huda
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Huda
What is up, Daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy Huda. Welcome to Call Her Daddy.
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Chris
Thank you.
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Huda
How are you feeling?
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Chris
I'm feeling like, really excited. I'm overwhelmed as overwhelmed in, like, a good way and, like, in multiple ways. Like, I'm not even, like, sitting here, and I'm like, I'm overwhelmed. Like, I can't do it. It's like an overwhelming. Like, it's just. I'm taking everything in all at once. I think anyone would.
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Huda
Can you explain a little bit? Like, what have the past 48 hours since leaving the villa been like for you?
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Chris
I think really, like, right now, I'm just trying to make sure that everything, like, is good with the people that I'm really close with, and then I hold dear to my heart because I'm like, my daughter, like my family. Like, those are the people that I've checked on this entire time. Like, I haven't texted anybody back at all.
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Huda
How many texts do you have?
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Chris
So many.
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Huda
Hundreds.
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Chris
I. I haven't. Like, the only other person I've called is my best friend. Okay, that's it.
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Huda
Throughout the season, you were one of, if not without a doubt, the most polarizing person on the show. People either absolutely adore love you, or there are people that, like, it actually feels like, hate you and, like, do not fuck with you at all.
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Chris
Yeah.
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Huda
Why do you think that this is the case?
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Chris
I think that, honestly, I think perception is everything. And I feel like not all the time things are shown in the way that they are, like, perceived on tv. And, I mean, I know who I am as a person. I think that's what really matters. I feel like if people are hating on me. Okay, you. Like, Like, I don't give a. Like, why does it matter? As long as the people that I love are close to me and, like, that care about me and they, you know, see me for who I actually am. Like, that's truly what matters to me. And I'm very, very, very blessed to have so many people that do love me and support me, because I feel like the good outweighs the bad in all honesty. And, yeah, I just. I try to pay the hate, like, no mind, to be honest. Like, you don't know me. You don't know me at all.
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Huda
I was going to ask you, like, now that you have had your phone back and have gotten maybe, like, a brief second in between, like, no sleep. I was going to say no sleep Club. Another club. You have.
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Chris
I haven't. I'm not. I'm not outside. I'm not.
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Huda
You're sitting, girl.
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Chris
I'm sad. I'm sad.
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Huda
You're like this, with your sunglasses. The meme of no dad is sitting. No, you're not moving. You're not moving. But I was going to ask, like, now that you've gotten to maybe see a couple of, like, your mentions, like, what comments have been, like, negatively the most shocking to you?
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Chris
Oh, I really don't pay that on mine. One the craziest thing I've heard is that people called CPS on me. I was like, are you so serious right now? First of all, my daughter's dad was fully aware of what I was doing. He was fully okay with it. He signed consent. Like, we're like, we had that conversation. We're fine. Me going on a show does not make me a bad person. You know, many mothers are, you know, doing tours around the world who are doing all these things, and they can't see their kids. It's like, it doesn't make you a bad mom to do something for yourself in that way at all.
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Huda
Yep. Thank you.
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Chris
And I'm just like. I don't understand it, because it's just like, you guys just have nothing better to do at this point. And, you know, I know that I'm a good mom. I'm with my daughter 24 7. Me and her dad are. Me and her dad are. Me and her dad, we split custody. So, like, I have her Monday, Sunday through Fridays, and then he has her the days that I don't have her. And so I have. A majority of the time I'm with her 24 7. Like, I do the pickups, drops off at school. I pack her lunches. You know, I'm there to give her a pep talk of the kids being mean to her in class. Like, I'm there for her through and through. She tells me about the boys she likes. Like, we do the he hang. Like, we get. We put perfume on in the mornings together. We brush our teeth in the same thing. Even though I have a double singer, she brushes it in my thing with me every morning. I do her hair every morning. We do outfits together in the morning. Like, all that stuff. Anytime I put a dress on, she's like, you look so beautiful, mommy. Like, she. She's my hype woman. Someone says something mean to me, she's like, don't talk to my mom like that. Mind you, she's four, dude.
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Huda
I mean, I have questions, like, later on that I want to talk to you about, because that was, like, a point people were talking about. It's like you and your family and all of it, but, like, I can imagine coming out of the villa and just as a human Being, but most importantly as a mother, understandably, immediately your gut reaction is to address that. Because, like, that's your blood. That's your daughter. Yeah.
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Chris
Anything. Yeah, my. The only thing I was worried about as soon as I walked out of that villa was my daughter.
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Huda
Yeah.
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Chris
That is the main thing I wanted to address. I could care less about hatred from people. I care more about her safety. And if she's okay.
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Alex Cooper
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Huda
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Alex Cooper
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Huda
Ebay. Things people love. Okay, There has been so much conversation about your character, how you treated other islanders, whether or not your behavior was toxic. And we are going to get into all of it tonight. But I think in order to have like an actual productive conversation, I want to get to know you a little bit better before we get to your Love island days. So let's go back. I want to talk to you about your childhood.
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Chris
Yes.
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Huda
What was it like in your house growing up?
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Chris
So. Growing up. So my parents, they immigrated to America and got their citizenship. And my dad, he had his own business, and my mother, she was a teacher. And, you know, we didn't. We didn't. We weren't, like, fortunate as kids. Like, we. My mother and father had five kids, so it's like. And they immigrated here, no family, nothing. So I wasn't raised with money. I wasn't raised with that. We played with sticks outside. We didn't have phones to, like, 16, 17. Like, you know, I'm not. I'm not a. What is a privileged child. I was never that. And growing up, my. My dad was extremely abusive. He was very abusive, like, towards my mother, towards me and my siblings. Like, a vivid memory I have as a kid is, like, I don't. Like, I don't even know how old I was, but I remember hearing my dad, like, beating the. Out of my mom in the room. And I remember, like, finally, like, I think someone got the door open. And I just remember seeing my mom's face, like, her glasses were broken. And then I just see him snatch her head back and slam the door. Like, that's. I'm gonna cry. Like, that's. That's literally, like, my. That was my childhood. Can I get a tissue?
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Huda
There's tissue. I got you.
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Chris
Damn. We just started. Alex, hold on a second.
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Huda
You're good.
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Chris
I'm definitely about to start my period. Like, there's no way. I'm not.
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Huda
I'm on mine. So we'll just cry together.
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Chris
Alex, you're making me think with you. Should I stuff this mine? Yeah.
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Huda
Yeah, just put it there.
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Chris
Okay. So. But yeah, so I grew up in an extremely abusive household. Not needless to say. Like, I did have a fun childhood, though. I think me and my siblings were extremely close. In the midst of the chaos, like, we were very, very close. My sister, she would get us away from all that. She would, like, take us on little. We call it the dinosaur trail. And it was like, this dirt road because they were doing construction. Sometimes you would see, like, deer tracks and whatnot. And, like, sometimes she would do things to make it look cooler, to make us think they're dinosaurs and stuff. Like, that's, like, the things we'd have fun with. We'd go in the creek, and we play in the creek. We. We would do all These things as kids, we.
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Huda
And of the five kids, where were you in the lineup?
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Chris
I'm the youngest.
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Huda
I even in, like, writing this interview, like, I had no idea.
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Chris
Yeah.
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Huda
About anything about you. Because there's not anything really on the Internet about your life put on the show either. No. That you didn't talk about any of this on the show.
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Chris
Oh, that's crazy.
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Huda
When you're talking about your dynamic with your parents and specifically your father being abusive, being the youngest, because I can imagine you're talking about your sister kind of like being the one that's getting you guys out of the house. But how do you think being the youngest in an abusive household impacted your personal development?
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Chris
I think I was a lot more persuasive being a lot younger, so I was a lot more persuasive in terms of, like, giving me sweets and, like, buying me things and, you know, doing things towards me and hurting me and then saying, oh, here's this. Or, like, doing things, and, you know, saying, you know, I'll go take you here if, you know, if, you know, whatever. And that happened to me a lot as a child as well. Like, and then at one point, you know, one of my parents separated. I was in, like, the fourth grade, I believe, and my mom. I remember when my dad was at work, we packed up everything and we left. And my mom, she got it. We lived in, like, this two bed, one bath apartment that was like. And it's like 600 rent, I'm pretty sure. No washer and dryer. We'd go to the laundromat. Like, my. Me and all my sisters were in a room. My brother was in his own room. My mom slept on the couch. It wasn't even a couch. It was a. When, you know, this outdoor. Like, futon things. Yeah, outdoor, like, futon things. And they have, like, the. The wooden railing things on them. And then, like, it's like just a cushion. That's what my mom would sleep on every single night because she didn't want to take a bedroom.
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Huda
What was the breaking point for her to get you guys out?
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Chris
I. I'm not 100 sure exactly what her breaking point was. I think maybe it possibly could be her support system on the people on the outside that saw this happening.
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Huda
Do you have a relationship with your father? Do you speak to him?
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Chris
I haven't talked to my dad in eight years. Yeah, I stopped talking to him when I was 16. There's a really valid reason as to why I'm not speaking to him. My dad was there Was a lot of times where I was alone with my dad, and there's things that, like, my family doesn't believe me about. Tissue. So. Damn, girl, you got me crying on the show. I know that freaking period is coming, and it's on its way to us very soon.
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Huda
Period or not. Huda. Like, this is some girl.
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Chris
Trust me.
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Huda
I.
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Chris
When I was with the psychologist, I, like, talked to her about all these things, and I was just crying because it's like, you really. When you talk about it. Hold on, let me.
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Huda
Take your time.
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Chris
So anyway, there's a lot of things that happen. I don't want to go, like, too much into detail, but I kept a lot of things to myself. And then there was a point where I got really scared. And I remember calling my mom and just telling, like, please pick me up. Like, please pick me up. And she's like, what's wrong? Like, I can't. I have to get you tomorrow. Like, she was. She was working, like, three or four jobs, and this one would not sleep. She would sleep, like, three, four hours. And we would never really see her as much because she was working all the time. We would eat frozen food and Wendy's, and she's like, I can't. I was like. I was crying. I was like, please pick me up. I would lock myself in the bathroom. My dad went in his office and was, like, working. And I, like, tiptoed out when she was there, and I, like, grabbed my things and I tiptoed past his office because the door, the floor would creak sometimes. So I was so scared. And so I ti. Tiptoed out, and I, like, closed the door really quietly, and I just told. I was like, please go. Please go. Please go. Like, I was like, please get out. Like, get me out of here. And to this day, like, I don't think anyone in my family believes anything that I say about that. Why? I have no idea. Maybe it's hard to believe. Yeah. But I. I just accepted that I know what was going on. Yeah. And, you know, I had listened to, like, podcasts about certain things leading up to a lot with my dad, and it made me realize, like, I don't want to say grooming, but, like, there's a lot of things that were happening, you know, I don't know. My. My dad hasn't remarried at nothing. Like, it's. It's. I have no idea the reasonings behind it. So I never really had a father figure growing up in that way at all.
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Huda
What was school like for you during. During all of this, I've always.
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Chris
I always got bullied in school. I think I always was just, like, unapologetically myself, and that didn't resonate with a lot of people.
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Huda
Seems like a theme in your life that we're gonna get to.
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Chris
Trust me. There was a lot of things that triggered me in that villa, I will be completely honest with you. And things that I caught and was clocking and was told that I was being crazy, But I don't know if anything was done on purpose to make me act out in a way, but, yeah, what was I saying? Oh, I got bullied in school. When I was in middle school, there was a point where, like, I wanted to take my own life. I did not want to live anymore girls. I remember I was friends with these girls, and then, like, it was. I think it was, like, two of them. I was friends with two or three of them, and one of them was a new girl. And mind you, I was friends with the other girls. We were all fine. And then the new girl comes, and she's like, does modeling, and she does all of these things. And, like, you know, I'm just this girl who loves to sing. And she. And she knew I. I like my dream. I used to watch America's Next Top Model growing up. Like, I wanted to model so bad growing up, and, you know, I realized I was too short. Like, I was like, this is not gonna happen for me. But I was always a dream of mine. And, like, she knew that, and she would kind of rub it in my face. I'm gonna be like, oh, you're not even pretty enough to be like, you're not skinny enough. You're not this. I stopped eating for days at a time. Like, I remember my math teacher. She would literally be like, what do you need to eat? Like, you need to eat something. Like, I would never eat anything. I was bulimic. Like, I would literally chew food and then spit it into a trash can just to taste it, because I thought I wasn't skinny enough.
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Huda
And did any of your. Anyone in your life, like. Like your mom or your older sister? Did anyone know you were going through this?
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Chris
I didn't say anything. And, like, these girls would push me into lockers, throw food on me. Specifically, that one girl, she would do that. And other girls would just. He ha. Kids would harass me in school. They would. I remember this one kid who was on the football team. He would grab my ass. He would, like, pin me against the wall. In middle school, people would make racial comments about me, call Me, a terrorist. This. This stuff happened to me my childhood and leading into, like, high school. Like, I had always felt like I got left out of things throughout school. Like, in high school, I remember people tried to start bullying me again. I think at that point, you know, before that, I had begged God. I was like, please, please, please, like, please, please get rid of these girls for me. Please, like, make this easier for me. Like, give me a fresh start, please. To both the girls, they moved away, and I had a chance at a fresh start. And, you know, everyone's school, like, kind of knew what people were doing. I mean, at least as far as I knew. And I remember someone tried to make a terrorist comment towards me in high school, and I shut that down immediately. I was like, I'm gonna turn a new leaf and just nip it in the bud. And I did. I nipped it in the bud, and no one said anything about it again. And I remember I was friends with these group of girls in school, and I had always felt left out and things because my mom was really strict on me. Like, she wouldn't let me go to sleepovers. She wouldn't let me go out. Like, she didn't want me to go to, like, the thing. We had this thing called, like, tea dance. Like, she didn't want me to do any of those things. I had to beg her to go to prom. And, like, when I felt left out and things with those friend groups, because they would be like, oh, she can't even go anyway. But it's like, just ask me if I can. Like.
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Huda
Like, just give me, like, a bu.
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Chris
Feel a little bit included. Yeah, I didn't have a phone either. And then I finally got a phone. Like, they kind of. Like, they made me get Instagram. They're like, you need to make an Instagram. You make Instagram. Like, okay, so I started doing Instagram stuff and, like, I started gaining followers for, like, my singing videos and things like that. It was, like, it was a fun moment for me. But in turn, people in school were like, she's so full of herself. She's so cocky. Like, who does she think she is? And, you know, with that friend group that always left me out, there was. I think there was one point where I was sitting with them at the lunch table, and I was just. Like, the girls were laughing about something, and I really didn't find it funny. I have a unique sense of humor. I feel like. Like, and sometimes people don't understand it, but, like, there's something that I really don't find funny. And you know, I'm sitting there and these girls are like he hang like laughing. And I'm just sitting there just like this straight face, just kind of like wondering like how that is even funny. And they looked at me and they're just like huda. Like why are you not laughing? Like, what is it? And I was like, honestly, I don't think any of you guys are really funny and I really don't want to be friends with you guys. And I got up and I just walked away. And since then, I would go into this dressing room thing that had little mirrors around it. I would practice dance. I used to be a dance captain. I practice hip hop in there. Was I the number one person in the world? No. But I was still learning. And I would sing in there. I did like, I would practice like my acapella stuff in there. I would practice. I was a theater kid. I did a lot of musical theater. Like I practice all these things in there by myself. I free period, I'm going to that room and I'm practicing. That's all I would do.
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Huda
Just even like hearing you explain. I feel like at such a young age you were getting it from every angle and there was nowhere to go but rely on yourself. Like you talking about being in your household, looking at your mom being physically abused, then it turning to you being alone with your father in this moment where you're like scared for your life and you're trying to flee a situation that should be the only the one place you do feel safe. Then you go to school where maybe it's like, let's get some reprieve. Maybe the kids at school can make me forget about my home life. And then you're getting it from your school life and your peers and it's like I can't help but think like, what that young version of you, how do you not put up this hard wall? How do you not become this person that like you just said the minute they made a joke about you and they came at you and they tried to make a racial comment to make you feel less than one day you decide to be like, no, that. But how many days prior were you crying in the bathroom, sitting alone, crying about it. Like, it's so sad to think about you developmentally, how you had to turn from this like soft loving girl to then like you needed to create this hard exterior literally just to survive. Like, what do you wish you could go back and tell yourself? Like sitting here right now with all this success in like the darkest Moments of your life where you mentioned, like, it got to the point where you literally didn't want to be here anymore.
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Chris
Him. Him. Like, who gives a. Be yourself. Do what you want to do in life. And this is what I tell my daughter all the time. Like, I'm like, do what you want to do. Stop caring about what other people think, because there's times where kids will be mean to her. And, like. And I'm just like, honey, like, you're so smart, and you're beautiful, and, you know, you're fun. You're funny. Anyone would hate on somebody like that.
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Huda
We all know that you are a.
- [24:02]
Chris
Mommy, mamacita, mama, mama of a human child.
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Huda
Like, you saw that.
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Chris
Were you like, I died?
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Huda
How is this the most viral thing I died?
- [24:13]
Chris
I was like, this is the most viral thing I said, is that I'm a mommy. Like, in that. In. Do you know, it's funny, Me and Nick, like, barely remember that conversation. I just remember going into it. I remember I was like, me and Nick were very, like, goofy people, and we don't take seriously in conversations when we talk. And, you know, like, there's times where we try to be serious, but always ends up on a funny note. And in that conversation, I remember I wanted to bring it up to him, but because of the. Of our nature and, like, the way we are, I was like, I can't sit here and be serious towards him. Right?
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Alex Cooper
Like, Nick, I have this thing to tell you.
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Chris
I'm so sorry, but, like, this is so serious, and you're gonna around. I am a mother, and I really want you to understand. I didn't want to do. I'd be like, guess what? Like, because that's how we are. Me and him were goofy as.
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Huda
But the point I was bringing that up for is you are a mother. You have a daughter, a gorgeous daughter.
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Chris
Thank you.
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Huda
How did you meet her? Dad.
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Chris
Tinder. We went.
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Huda
Stop.
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Chris
Oh, my God.
- [25:10]
Huda
You need to do, like, your first brand deals.
- [25:12]
Chris
Tinder, listen, it may not always work out, but you might have a fun time. Like, literally. So we dead. So we. We met on there. I remember I was, like, 18, okay? And I think this is the first time I ever moved out of my mother's house because I was just sick of being controlled at that time. You know, everyone's rebellious. You're getting controlled your whole life. You're told you can't go on sleepovers. You show you can't do XYZ 1, 2, 3. It's like, finally, I'm 18. I'm illegally. I have freedom. I can do whatever I want to do. And I moved out. I was living with these two other girls, and I decided I was like, okay, I'm gonna talk to whoever I want to talk to. I'm gonna go out. I'm gonna do this. I had my fun when I was 18, and I think that's why I'm like, not really big on, like, going out now.
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Huda
Like, you're like, I did it.
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Chris
I did the thing.
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Huda
That was enough.
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Chris
You know, the thing? Yeah, I did it.
- [26:02]
Huda
You did that. Okay, wait. How would you describe your early stages of that relationship with him?
- [26:08]
Chris
We were very lovedy. We got very lovely, very fast, very lovey dovey. Like, I really liked him a lot. And for me, I always tell people. I'm like, you can always tell when I really like somebody and when I really don't. You can always tell. It's like 0 to 100. Like, you can. 100. I can't lie. I cannot lie.
- [26:29]
Huda
I know. You told us. You're sitting there with the girls and you're like, you're not funny.
- [26:32]
Chris
No, literally, I can't sit here and act like I like you when I don't. I can't be fake. Like, if I sit here, I'm just like, oh, my God, Like, I love you. I'm like, can you just leave me the alone, please? Like, get away from me.
- [26:47]
Huda
So you really, really liked him?
- [26:48]
Chris
I did. I really, really liked him off the jump. Like, we were very, very close, very fast. But in that he did cheat on me, you know, and that doesn't make him a bad person. He just made bad decisions.
- [26:59]
Huda
Okay, wait, before you got pregnant, did you guys have conversations about, like, what you wanted your future to look like together?
- [27:08]
Chris
We obviously wanted to move in together. The goal was marriage. Like, that was always a thing. Like, we were very locked in with each other at that time. We would always. I mean, a lot of the videos got out. Like, we made so many cute videos together. We'd go to the beach a million times together.
- [27:22]
Huda
Can you take me to the moment when you found out that you were pregnant?
- [27:25]
Chris
Girl, I remember this was after he cheated on me when I was in Puerto Rico. I was in Puerto Rico with my sister for the first time ever. First time ever on vacation with her, you know, first major vacation. I was really excited. It was a good time. Until it wasn't. And then I remember, you know, I had his location. And at this time, hell yeah. When someone's cheating on you multiple times, you're going to get a little toxic and go a little crazy. And I'm checking that man's location like nobody's business on this vacation because he cheated on me so many times. But I was naive. I was naive at that time. I took him back a million fucking time.
- [28:01]
Huda
Okay, I do want to emphasize, you were 18 at exactly.
- [28:05]
Chris
This is like, what, like six, six years ago.
- [28:07]
Huda
I know, I know. But now we, like, we do got to get better. But I agree.
- [28:09]
Chris
I don't do that anymore.
- [28:10]
Huda
Okay, Okay.
- [28:11]
Chris
I don't even care. Like, no, no, now, girl. Guys have given me the location. I forget that I have it.
- [28:15]
Huda
Okay, perfect. Like, you're too tired.
- [28:17]
Chris
I'm tired, Grandpa. Like, I don't want to do that shit, man.
- [28:19]
Huda
Okay, so you're 18. You're getting toxic because he's cheated a couple times. And you're like, I'm on to you, motherfucker. I'm in Puerto Rico. What happens, girl?
- [28:27]
Chris
So I'm looking. I'm looking through, you know, seeing where this man is going, right? And I remember there was one night particularly, he was not answering the phone, and I was just like, okay, this man is up to something. I was like, he has to be cheating on me. Because that was the only logical answer. And to my surprise, he was cheating on me. So I was like, okay, cool. Great. So I remember I was just going off on him because he was not answering his phone. He was at this random house, and we had to talk because he wouldn't let me go to clubs or anything. And I wasn't, like, allowed to go to parties. I had lost a lot of my friends at the time because, like, he. Every time I would hang out with them, he would, like, blow up my phone. And, you know, mind you, I feel like I blew up his phone, too. Like, it's not like it was just him, you know, I'm saying, like, it's. I'm not. I was doing shit, too.
- [29:15]
Huda
There was a cycle that was being created.
- [29:16]
Chris
Yeah, it was a very toxic relationship. And basically, he was at this house. I'm calling, he's not answering. Then I see his car leaving early in the morning, like, just leaving that house. He's calling me. He's like, I just got a ticket. Like, I'm late to work. I just got a ticket. I just got a ticket. I'm just like, where were you? I was home. I was home. This is when he was in the barracks in the military. And so you told me he was in the barracks. Brother, did you forget I had your.
- [29:42]
Huda
Location Like, I've been tracking your house. Like, my Uber order.
- [29:45]
Chris
Literally, I'm like, bestie girl. I'm on like a hawk. Like, I'm looking at your ass going.
- [29:50]
Huda
You're like.
- [29:50]
Chris
You're zooming. You're going 71 miles per hour. It's back down to 60. Like, I'm looking at the whole shebang.
- [29:57]
Huda
Like, I know what route you took.
- [29:59]
Chris
Literally, I know the way you go home from work. Like, I saw the whole thing. But no, no, I'm just kidding. But, like, I. I was just like, all right. You definitely weren't home. I'm not crazy. I'm texting his friend. His friend, I guess, told me. He said that he was. He slept at his place. Like, his friend's place in, like, the barracks room.
- [30:19]
Huda
Yeah.
- [30:19]
Chris
And then I asked him where he slept last night. He slept. He slept in his own room. So the math wasn't math.
- [30:24]
Huda
And you're like, one of you is fucking lying, you idiot.
- [30:26]
Chris
In the middle of this conversation, I get a dm. Hey, girly. I was like, be so for real. My intuition never lies. I'm like, oh, my God. I looked at that. I was like, wow. I got pictures of them in bed together. No. Yeah. I was like, damn, that's crazy.
- [30:41]
Huda
Not that.
- [30:42]
Chris
Anyway, girly. Yeah. And I was just like, okay, cool. Yeah. Then that whole thing happened, and he was like, so a lot of things to convince me to take him back, which I did. And I was naive.
- [30:56]
Huda
I get it. I get it. Anyone that's judging didn't have their. One of those first true, like, so madly in love toxic relations.
- [31:03]
Chris
Everyone has one.
- [31:04]
Huda
I had one, and it was horrible. And it fucks you up. But it's intoxicating because when you're in love for the first time, you don't really understand anything else.
- [31:14]
Chris
I never had that. A good example growing up. Like, I never had anyone to guide me in that way at all. I thought when I got. When I became 18, and I mind you, I didn't have my first kiss until after high school. I didn't have sex until after high school. Like, I thought. I thought men. I thought it was like. Like a fairy tale. I thought it was, like, Disney. Swear to God, I'm watching all these things. I'm watching all these Disney movies, and I'm just like, oh, my God. Like, it's gonna be like that, and he's gonna. Like. He's gonna look at me from a costume and be like, hey. Like, I'm thinking it's, like, gonna be some Cute, lovey. When I. Girl. When I lost my virginity and that man was sleeping with one of the girls who bullied me in school, I was like, be so for real. This is not what I thought it was.
- [32:01]
Huda
You're like, this is a horror movie.
- [32:03]
Chris
Dead ass. Dead ass.
- [32:05]
Huda
Why is this shit? Literally, dude. But you had a rude awakening coming.
- [32:09]
Chris
Literally. I know I haven't gone on the pregnant topic yet, but.
- [32:11]
Huda
Okay, yeah, we're getting there.
- [32:11]
Chris
We're getting there. Sorry. I have adhd.
- [32:13]
Huda
I won't let you forget.
- [32:14]
Chris
Thanks.
- [32:14]
Huda
How the did you find out you're pregnant?
- [32:16]
Chris
Okay, so after that happened, I remember we were. We were all hanging out, like, having a little party, whatever. I remember I was going up the. The. I was going up the stairs, and I remember me and his friends crossed paths. I remember I was lit as this time, and I was just like. I looked at his friend. I was like, I think I'm pregnant. And he just. He looked at me and he was just like, no. And I was like, yeah. He's like, no. And then I remember I had eaten Taco Bell and I threw that shit up everywhere. And then this is also when I found out I was allergic to Tylenol. So I took a Tylenol and Tylenol and I found I was allergic to that. So that was another thing. I had a fever after that. Not a good time. You know, morning sickness plus a fever. Not great. So anyway, after that, we were going home, and I was like, okay, we need to buy a plan B. I'm like, okay, cool. Let's go buy plan B. We go to the. We go to Walmart. Okay. We go to Wally World. And I was like, all right, let's go buy plan B. We're going to the thing. I'm looking at the pregnancy test. I'm like, do you think we should buy pregnancy test? He's just like, why? I was just like, I don't know. Like, I just feel like we should buy one. And he was just like, okay, but why? I was like, okay, well, you know, we're not really rich right now. I was like, the plan B is more expensive than the pregnancy test. Imagine if I'm pregnant, we can just return to plan B. So that was my logic. I was like, all right. And we go. I go in the Walmart bathroom and I pee on the stick. I put it back in the box and I walk out. And he's just like, what did it say? I'm like, I don't know yet. It's still developing. He's like, okay. We walk to the car. We get in the car, we sit down. He's like, are you gonna open it? I was like, yeah, open that. Pregnant. I said, oh. We started crying. We started crying. He was in shock. I was in shock. I was crying. I was like, what do I do? I'm talking to my best friend. I'm like, girl, what do I do? And she's like, like, you know, do whatever you want to do, whatever you feel is right. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, okay, cool. And long story short, we kept breaking up and getting back together. He deployed. We kept fighting the entire time. You know, he still was talking to other girls. Like, it was, like, a whole thing. And, yeah, that. That was the story of how I found out I was pregnant.
- [34:17]
Huda
How did your family react?
- [34:19]
Chris
So I actually kept it from my mom for, like, three or four months.
- [34:22]
Huda
Okay.
- [34:23]
Chris
Get it from everybody for three or four months. I didn't know how to do this at all. I didn't know I was supposed to go to the doctors. I didn't know anything. I had. I've. No one taught me anything, so I didn't know what to do. And I just kept her growing inside of me. I didn't go to an obgyn. I didn't go to anything. I just was pregnant, and they didn't. No one got. I didn't get checked at all. Nothing. And I remember, I think, like, three or four months in, I was getting a little bit bigger. We would go to the grocery store, me and my mom, and, like, she. I would be craving things, and she kind of looks. And she's like, mom's. No. So I remember there was one time I, like, she was. I was in my room, and this is back when I moved back in with her, and I was in my room, and she came to, like, give me a hug. She said something, and, like, I hugged her. I'm a big hugger. She came and gave me a hug. And then she goes, you're getting chunky, like, chubby. Like. Like, you're getting a little chubby. I'm just like, oh, like, I have to tell her.
- [35:20]
Huda
You got to tell her.
- [35:21]
Chris
And I'm sitting in my room just, like, constantly. I'm like, what do I do? What I do? Said I'm like, mom, she's cooking. I was like, mom, I was like, I have something to tell you. I was like, can you please come to the room? And she's like. She's like. She, like, walks to my room, and then she sits down on the bed. I'm like, mom. I was like, I did something bad. And my mom is extremely religious. She's Muslim, so she's extremely religious. I was like, I did something bad. And she's just like, did you hurt. Somebody Said, no. Did you do drugs? No. Did you? She's like, just was listening things. She's like, did you do this? I'm like, no. And she goes, are you pregnant? And I just start crying. And she sat there and she looks at me, she goes, don't sin twice. And that's when I knew I was going to keep my daughter. And yeah, that's, that's the story of how I told my mom.
- [36:12]
Huda
Wow, okay. How did you decide to end that relationship? On, off, again, toxic, while you're pregnant, then you have your daughter. Like, when did you end it and how did you end it with him?
- [36:25]
Chris
So we were together, we moved in together after having her and then I think like less than a year. I'm not pretty sure how, exactly how long it was after we moved in together, but I remember we. There was a lot of things that bothered me in the relationships. Like when my daughter was an infant, like firstborn, you know, I was breastfeeding at the time. And yeah, I was a stay at home mother, but I was with her 24 7, never sleeping. And you. If I got up, she would cry and cry. And it's, it's to the point where when your kid has like colic, you just don't want to hear crying anymore. Like, it's like, it's like you don't want her to cry so you will sit there and not eat so she doesn't cry. You'll sit there and not shower for days so she doesn't cry.
- [37:07]
Huda
Your daughter had colic. And can you just, just really make sure everyone understands what that is, just in case they don't know.
- [37:12]
Chris
So it's like when kids, like they cry for no really apparent reason, like you can do anything and they will not stop crying. And you know, some, some mothers go crazy with it. Like I had to keep my cool the whole time. I'll just cry because I couldn't do anything. And like one, one time my mom, she was just like, just, just sit her in the room, walk out for five minutes, she can cry, just come back and just like collect herself a little bit. And like when she would cry in the middle of the night, like, I understand he was in the military and he worked a lot, but it's like, you know, this is a Team effort. And you know, being a mom is a full time job. Like you were with her 247 and like in the middle of the night we were supposed to do shifts. Like if. If like I had to change a diaper, then it was his turn. That was my turn. Sometimes he would do it, but a lot of the time it would be like, like, hey. Like I would wake up to her crying. I'm like, hey, can you, can you. Come on. Like, can you help me? Can you help me? And he was just like, you do it, you do it. And so I would get up and go do it. And you know, in times like when he would come home, it was like, oh, let me shower first and I'll make you something to eat. Oh, can I play this video game real quick? And then I can make you something to eat and. Or like I'll be like, can you take her so I can do this? Hold on, let me shower. And mind you, he was a great dad still. He still did good things. Like, he still spent time with her, he still was fun with her and stuff like that. But I think a lot of the hardships were on me. And you know, that's also why, like on the show, like the baby thing that triggered the out of me.
- [38:40]
Huda
Let's get to that. Because we're in his love island. I want to go through that. So you ended up just realizing this person. It just wasn't gonna work. Romantic.
- [38:48]
Chris
It wasn't gonna work romantically. There was a point where, you know, he wasn't very good with his finances. And I was just kind of like realizing what I really wanted in a man. Because I was getting older, I was getting less naive. But yeah. So then during that time, like he wasn't really good with his finances and we were always late on bills, late on everything. I would do instacart with my daughter, which is dangerous. I would do instacart with her and bring her with me to do that because we were so broke. And I would give him all the money that I would make from that. And we were still late on rent. And I remember there's a time where he was like leaving for I think training or deploration, the deployment or something. And we had like 30 days, less than 30 days actually to move out. And we had to get it, find a new place. I have never found a place before. I had never done anything like that before. Nothing was packed. Everything was. I had to do everything. And I pack everything I'm getting, I'm trying to get like, some of his friends to help me. Like, I hired people to help me move. Like, I was doing everything by myself. I was losing my mind trying to find a place. Like, losing my mind. And I finally found one. Like, literally, like, two or three days before I had to move out. And I moved everything in. I put his stuff in the storage room. I left it there. I told him, I said, listen, when you get back, like, you have two weeks, and that's it. Because I'm. What kind of man leaves you with all of that?
- [40:08]
Huda
A boy.
- [40:10]
Chris
So I. I wanted better for myself.
- [40:12]
Huda
Yeah.
- [40:12]
Chris
I knew my potential as a woman. I knew my potential in life, and I knew what I wanted to do with my life and what I wanted in life. I. And I wasn't gonna settle, nor should you ever.
- [40:22]
Huda
But I get. I can only imagine, like, the complexity of having a child, but it seems like, in a beautiful way, you finally hit that point where you just started to choose yourself. And it was probably the best decision you could have made. But it's so hard to leave.
- [40:41]
Chris
It was hard to leave. I remember I would cry every day. Every single day.
- [40:45]
Huda
It's easier to stay sometimes.
- [40:48]
Chris
I would cry every day by myself. I would. He wouldn't. He wouldn't know I was crying every day, but I would cry every day. And I. I would say I'd. Like, I hate my life. I don't want this. Like, I don't want to be with him. Like, I was losing my mind. I was trying to figure out how I could leave and what I could do to leave. I didn't know what to do. Like, we weren't even kissing anymore. And.
- [41:08]
Huda
And when this ended around. How old were you? 22? 21.
- [41:12]
Chris
21. 21. About 21.
- [41:14]
Huda
Okay, so now you're 24, right?
- [41:16]
Chris
20. Almost 21, I think.
- [41:18]
Huda
Okay, so now you're24, and you have all of this going on in your life. And then fast forward, this little show comes along called Love island, and you decide to go on reality tv.
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- [43:53]
Huda
Tell me how the that came to be because I'm literally like, holy, dude. Like just I'll pause for a minute hearing the beginning half of your life, dude, and then to where you're sitting right now. I know we have a lot of shit to go through. I know we have so much to talk about of what the way the Internet feels about how you act and all these things. But like, this is the of why I love doing my job. Because it's like we know none of this. We've known none of this. We didn't know about your childhood. And I understand Love Island's not the platform to like be talking about this kind of, but when we're judging so intensely someone on reality TV, there's 19 million more chapters that we weren't privy to. And so I appreciate you even opening up a little bit today because I know there's so much more to these stories and we're getting a preview. But thank you for sharing because it does give a lot of insight into now what we are about to talk about.
- [44:48]
Chris
Thank you for asking, of course.
- [44:50]
Huda
Like, okay, Love Island. How. How did this come to be?
- [44:54]
Chris
So I always wanted to do the show. I was always a dream of mine to do the show. I just never knew If I was going to. I remember, like, when I would go, sometimes I would go on like, tick tock live with like at the time because I was doing social, like, gym content. A lot of times I would go on, you know, live sometimes and just talk about gym stuff. And like, everyone kept saying, like, because I. Sometimes I would say stories, like, about my dating life because it's fun, like, just talk about it. And I would tell people about my daily life. Everyone's like, you should go on Love Island. I could so see you on Love Island. You should do Love Island. Everyone's pushing me for, like, you should do Love Island. I was like, okay, I met this guy. That's how it all starts. I met this guy and he knew that I wanted to do Love Island. And it ended up being just like a really toxic thing where it was like he was not at all who I thought he was. That ended. He ended up trying to, like, rubbing my face. So they reach out to him. And because he knew I wanted to do it. And then I was like, huh? He might do it. Why the can't I do it? Because he told me it was dumb. So I was like, why the can't I do it? You're rubbing it in my face. So I said it, I'll apply. I applied traditionally. I applied traditionally. And I said, you know what? I'm gonna do it. And I did. And then I think like a month later or something, I had gone reach out to. Not even, sorry, I got reached out to shortly after that. But about a month later, I had my interview, did that, months later, another interview. Then I think it was like the final point where I met the producers. Since then, every week, like multiple interviews a week, multiple things that I had to do. Then I remember I flew to Fiji and I, I manifested this. I'm just like positive. I'm always trying to stay positive. Even though, regardless of how negative that situation, like, I was staying positive. And I was like, I'm going to have this. I would speak it into existence. Like, I, this is going to be my reality. I'm going to have this. This is what I'm going to do. And I was like, I kept telling, like, I'm gonna be an og. I'm going to be an og. I kept telling myself that I was like, I'm going to be an og. And I remember I came to Fiji, they flew me out and, you know, I had done all the interviews and whatnot and like all the filming prep work and whatever. And they're like, this doesn't guarantee you're on the show still. I'm like, okay. I'm like, I have anxiety. I'm just like, I just want to know. I like to know things before they happen. And, you know, I'm sitting there and then I get told, we want you in the first lining, like, the first lineup. I was just like, my jaw on the floor. Like, on the fucking floor, bitch. That shit was catching, that flies were flying in that hole. And I was like, holy. My manifestations are coming true. And I get on the show doing the whole thing. I think I had a lot of luck on that show in terms of how long I stayed. And I think that whole show is really luck. A lot of it is luck. America's voting luck. Like, it's luck how they perceive you luck.
- [47:45]
Huda
Okay, well, we're gonna go back to the beginning.
- [47:48]
Chris
Let's go.
- [47:48]
Huda
Because I didn't watch all these episodes for nothing. But come on, you didn't live it.
- [47:52]
Chris
Let's do it. Boom. Chicken.
- [47:53]
Huda
Okay. Day one, Couple up with Jeremiah.
- [47:57]
Chris
Yeah.
- [47:58]
Huda
What was your first impression of this man?
- [48:02]
Chris
So, okay, so when we first saw each other, I remember I thought everyone was really attractive. When he came in, he, like, I could just. You know when you can just tell when a guy really likes you the way they look at you?
- [48:11]
Huda
Yes.
- [48:11]
Chris
I remember I was like, I went to go hug him and like, I tripped backwards and he like, like, pulled me in and that, like, stuck with me. And I was like, it's like a movie. I was like, love it. You know, my childhood dreams are coming true. I remember in that point. And then, you know, we, you know, kiss in the heart thing. And, you know, he kissed the girl on the cheek, and I was like, like, why would a man not do that for me? You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm like, okay, period. Like, we love that. Everyone's like, do you not think it's a red flag? I'm like, damn. Like, is that a red flag? I'm like, I'm like, am I tripping here? Because I'm so used to getting love bombed at that point when everyone's like, pointing out to me. They're like, do you not think that's a red flag sitting there beach? And I'm just like, am I being love bomb? Like, is this not real? I'm like, is like, is this. Like, am I tripping?
- [48:53]
Huda
How would you describe your guys dynamic in the first 24 hours? That first 24 hours off the rip.
- [49:00]
Chris
Me and Jeremiah. Yes. Oh, lovey dovey as, like, he was so into me. I was so into him. Like, even on chill days, like, we would always, like, blow kiss from across the room. Like, we would look at each other and be like. And, like, we would get yelled. I'd be like, like, stop interacting with each other. Like, we would do all those little hearts to each other. Like, blow kisses. Like, we would sneak in the hallway to kiss each other. And, like, we would get in trouble. Like, we would do those things all the time. Like, we would kiss each other all over each other's faces and whatnot. It's very physical.
- [49:26]
Huda
So you intentionally decided that you wanted to wait to tell Jeremiah about your daughter. Why was waiting important to you?
- [49:37]
Chris
So I felt like, in the dating world, in the real world, I think that people don't really see me as a person and, like, get to know me fully. I think immediately it's like, mom, and it's like, oh, she's a mom. She's a mom. She's a mom. I'm more than just a mom. Like, I'm Huda. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's more to me than just that. And I was taking this opportunity as a way for people to get to know me first, to decide if they liked me and then go from there. There's people that have mom fetishes, and all the time, like, do you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm trying to let them get to know me first. And I said this on the show. I don't know if it was ever shown. I haven't watched it back. But, like, I said all of these things.
- [50:10]
Huda
One of the things that people online have kind of accused you of being slightly manipulative by hiding that part of your life from Jeremiah. Did you feel like you were leading him on and kind of setting up to him up to fail by keeping this from him?
- [50:28]
Chris
Not necessarily. Whenever we would have conversations and stuff, and I felt like he was liking me more and more and more as a person, I was like, okay, I. I can tell he really likes me, so I think this is the right time to tell him. I was terrified to tell him.
- [50:40]
Huda
Why?
- [50:41]
Chris
Because I was. Because I really liked him. I was so scared. Like, I was. I was like, what is he gonna do? Like, I hope he reacts well. You know, I didn't want him to freak out. To be continued. But, like, you know, I was just. But, yeah. So I was just like, okay, I want it to be the right time to tell him. And, you know, I did bring it to his Attention. And we talked about it. I freaking stuttered a lot of the time. I said, because I was so nervous. Like, I was so scared to tell him. And, yeah, I told him. He told me. He was like. He's like, honestly, I find it more attractive than your mom did. I fully believe him. No, but I told him. I made sure to mention him. I was like, listen, if I. Like, I'm telling you this, but you do not have to stay with me. I made it very close. Like, you do not have to be with me. It is okay for you not to not want to be with me. Like, I just wanted to bring this our attention. Like, if you want to go explore, like, by all means, just let me know, because I really like you. And, you know, clearly, like, we both really like each other, but if this is a deal breaker for you, just let me know. He's, like, reassuring me, like, no, like, I just more attracted to me than your mom. Like, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, okay, cool. And, you know, I'm letting him know, like, you can leave if you want to. And there's times where I brought that up to him when I could tell he was kind of switching his. The way he would treat me after I told him, and he would just. He would get defensive, be like, I can make my own decisions. I know what I want to. Like, I can do that.
- [52:08]
Huda
A huge debate on the Internet is whether Jeremiah was the victim of Hurricane Huda or if you were the victim of Jeremiah's love bombing. Just if you had to give your immediate reaction, what is your answer?
- [52:21]
Chris
I think that we both had faults in the. In the relationship. Like, I don't think that anyone should fully take blame for anything.
- [52:27]
Huda
In all honesty, jealousy was a theme throughout you and Jeremiah's relationship. In the second episode, he was convinced that you got up to kiss someone during the blindfold challenge. And he was, like, convinced. He kept asking you and asking you, and you were like, I swear to you, I didn't. You. He made you pinky promise, the whole thing. What red flags, if any, did that raise for you or did that not freak you out?
- [52:50]
Chris
You know, it's so weird. I think I'm. I'm such. I'm such a person where it's like, I love giving reassurance, and I love making sure people are okay. And in that moment, I was like, oh, my God. Like. Like, are you okay? Like, are you good? Like, are you. Are you okay? Like, I did. I don't want you to feel, you know, like, I'm Gonna do something to you. Like, are you. Like, I promise I'm not gonna hurt you. Like, and I would just. I just wanted to make sure he was okay. Like, take care of him in that moment.
- [53:14]
Huda
Do you see, though, that it's day two and you guys already having that level where it's like, you're not closed off and you having to reassure him.
- [53:20]
Chris
We knew.
- [53:20]
Huda
So someone else, like, like, that's fast.
- [53:22]
Chris
Yeah, we moved fast. Okay. We did.
- [53:24]
Huda
You spoke about how you, like, when guys are obsessed with you. How do you tell the difference between when that is healthy and then when that can lead to being problematic?
- [53:35]
Chris
I think that, especially on the show, I think I've learned a lot more about how to differentiate the two. But I think there's a point of, like, obsession where it's like, I've had moments in the past where, like, people are like, should I. Should I. Should I move to. To North Carolina? Should I stay. Should I stay here and not move to another city? Like, should I? And, you know, past me might have been like, oh, my God, he likes me a lot. Like, wow. And another part would be like, that's really crazy. Like, that's insane. Like, don't do that. When I say, like, being obsessed with me, it's more so, like, okay, I like a man who, like, wants to hug me and, like, physical affection and stuff like that. I like a man who's like, no. Like, I want to make sure I'm taking her to do this, and I want to make this little cute thing that's thoughtful for her, and I want to do this for. I want her to be happy, and I want to show that I really like her.
- [54:26]
Huda
Now, looking back in those very early days, what red flags do you think you missed from Jeremiah?
- [54:34]
Chris
Damn, I gotta reel it back. There's so much that has happened in that villa. It's like.
- [54:39]
Huda
I know.
- [54:40]
Chris
I mean, honestly, the whole thing was the. You told me. The kissing thing.
- [54:43]
Huda
Yeah.
- [54:43]
Chris
The people brought that to my attention. Like, that is a red flag. You know, just, like, from what I've seen is, like, when I'm having conversations with other people that he's looking over too. Like, see things like that. You know, when, for example, before Pepe walked in, he was like, I'm not gonna be intimidated. Unless he's, like, a six, three, like, buff guy. Like, I'm not gonna be intimidated at all. Then Pepe walks in, and now it's like a. When he found out Pepe didn't really like me, that's why he befriended Pepe. And to make sure, like, that's what the guys would do. They would befriend each other so hard. I never had a shot. Like, it was not fair, like, at all. And now it's bro code. And I clocked all this shit. There's so much stuff that I clocked that proved me right. When I saw, like, little edits and shit, I was like, oh, my God. I wasn't crazy. Like, I wasn't losing my mind here, girl. When the whole Iris thing happened, I think I was working out with Pepe and Hannah. And, like. Like, at this time, I wasn't with Jeremiah. I wasn't with him. I remember he was in the kitchen, and I could just feel this man staring. Like, I see him staring because Pepe was, like, helping me with my weights and stuff. And I could see this man staring from the kitchen. Like, I'm just like, I know he's looking at me right now. He does that. Yeah, he would do that.
- [55:49]
Huda
Okay. Whenever a new bombshell came into the villa and wanted to explore with Jeremiah, you had pretty intense reactions.
- [55:57]
Chris
Yeah.
- [55:57]
Huda
Even though you guys weren't technically closed off.
- [55:59]
Chris
Yep.
- [56:00]
Huda
Why were you getting so territorial?
- [56:03]
Chris
I think because I was scared because of everyone doubting us in general. And it made me wonder, like, okay, what is he saying? And I'm like, should I be more possessive of this man? Like, should I mark my territory here? And, you know, like, because he told me, like, you know, we're. Yeah, we're technically exploring the people, but, like, you're the only person I want. Like, da, da, da. And I'm like, okay, let me make it clear that, like, like, we only want each other, but, like, we're still open to exploring other people.
- [56:30]
Huda
That's interesting. Okay. Because so basically you're trying to say you were feeling like other people were questioning you guys, so you thought so much throughout the villa, so you wanted to lean in more to prove, like, no, look, we're good and we like each other. And you're almost, like, putting up a bigger facade. Not that it's fake, but it's like, let's play it up a little bit so they really believe us because we do like each other.
- [56:50]
Chris
Yeah. I mean, there was even times where I don't know if any of this was shown. Like, for example, like, me and Amaya guy, we're besties now. But, like, back then, I thought, because I heard that the Bombshells watch before they come in, I thought that she knew me and Jeremiah were so, like, lovey dovey. And she, she did that on purpose to piss me off. So at that time, I had thought that she did that to piss me off. So I'm sitting here like this, like this girl, like, she, she knew that me and him were like all lovey, lovey. Like, how are you gonna. With somebody who like, you know, that is like super close with their person. Like, you're weird as for that. And that's what I thought. And until after she told me, I was like, okay. But then I knew she still want to explore him. And then at the time I was just like, this is just weird to me. Like, I was the new his first bombshell.
- [57:33]
Huda
Do you think though, Hooda, that now looking back when.
- [57:37]
Chris
Sorry, second rack of the bombshell.
- [57:39]
Huda
But now looking back at that Amaya moment, like, let's use that as an example. You going and being pissed at Amaya. Even if she had watched, that's her job as a bombshell.
- [57:51]
Chris
And that's what I had. You know what I mean? I had to learn that, like, I was new. This is not the real world. Like, this is very different. You have to adjust to this.
- [57:59]
Huda
Do you now see how people on the Internet could be upset with you being like that? Is like that you're going out of mind. It's not Amaya's fault.
- [58:07]
Chris
No. Did they, did they show that anything like, oh, what? No. Anything of me saying like, okay, oh, I didn't know that you didn't know. Blah, blah, blah.
- [58:15]
Huda
I don't think we saw that.
- [58:17]
Chris
Weird.
- [58:18]
Huda
Okay. At one point.
- [58:20]
Chris
I'm so sorry, can I point on something on that last thing? Yes. So I was gonna say also at this time as well. That's when all the boys were like, pushing Jeremiah. Like, go explore, go explore, go explore. Like, like, like, do you know what I'm saying? And it made me just be like, damn. Like, all these boys are encouraging this man to, to do this. And it's like, damn, you're trying to. You're encouraging him to like, leave me basically because none of the guys, like, liked me. Me. Really?
- [58:42]
Huda
Pause. Why?
- [58:47]
Chris
Beats me. Like, I, I don't know. And there might be things that I haven't seen that I gotta go look at. But, you know, a lot of the time, like, I feel as though people didn't want me and Jeremiah to be together.
- [59:00]
Huda
Why? If you had to give your best guess, why do you think people were so upset? And I get. As it got on and it got toxic, like, fine, people were like, this is even stage. But the very, very beginning, they did not want this. Why do you think if you can come up with your best guess, they.
- [59:15]
Chris
Have their own narrative on, like, what to do in Love Island? And, like, yes, you're supposed to explore, but if someone wants to walk in, let them walk in. Like, if someone wants to explore, let them explore. Like, let them do whatever they want. It's their own narratives, their own life.
- [59:24]
Huda
They were very fixated on it.
- [59:26]
Chris
It was a big topic in the villa. Like, everybody only talked about me and Jeremiah, especially Ace.
- [59:31]
Huda
He was fixated on you and Jeremiah.
- [59:34]
Chris
So I've heard.
- [59:35]
Huda
That is a fudgeing fact. Like, this man was half the time. I think most of the time I was looking at tweets, people were like, can this man give Shelly half the energy in the beginning days that he's giving Huda and Jeremiah? Like, bro, get in your own relationship, stop getting in theirs, even if it's toxic, even it's whatever. Like, let them do their thing before this seeped into affecting the whole villa. I'm talking about we're not there yet. But at one point, Ace literally questioned what happened to you in your past that made you move so quickly in your dating life. Looking back, do you think his concerns were valid, or do you think he was crossing the line?
- [60:09]
Chris
I think his concerns were valid. I think that, you know, he has a right to ask me these things, which is fine. And, like, honestly, I respect people who talk and ask me things. Like, I would rather someone have that conversation with me rather than assume that's something that would happen a lot in the villa. No one would sit down and ask me, hey, why is it that you do these type of things? And I respect people that do that. In all honesty, I really do.
- [60:34]
Huda
Can you confirm, was there ever any sexual tension between you and Ace?
- [60:39]
Chris
Yeah, at one point, I liked him. I definitely did. Like, there was a point where I definitely found him attractive. I thought he was really cute. There's not. I did not kiss him for nothing. Like, yeah.
- [60:47]
Huda
Have you seen now the screenshots that people have posted confirming that Ace used to like a lot of your Instagram photos?
- [60:56]
Chris
So I've seen.
- [60:57]
Huda
Before you guys even got to the villa.
- [60:58]
Chris
So I've seen. I've heard excuses. I've seen. I. That is something where I can't say. It's not. It's beyond me. That is his own words to be telling. I. It is beyond me whether it's AI. Whether he blames it on someone else, whether it's whatever. Like, it's beyond me. I've so I've heard that he's unliked all of them. Like, I don't. I've heard. I don't. These are all word of ear. I've. Girl, I've only been here for so long. Like, I haven't been able to catch one. I'm trying.
- [61:25]
Huda
Okay, can you clarify for me? How early on were you and Jeremiah intimate?
- [61:31]
Chris
Oh, damn. I don't even know. Like, honestly, I don't remember.
- [61:37]
Huda
Okay.
- [61:37]
Chris
Even when people were saying, like, oh, we did, like, it was like, you can't fully do, like, yeah, we had sex, but it wasn't like full on boo boo. Like, do you know what I'm saying?
- [61:50]
Huda
What was that noise you just made?
- [61:52]
Chris
Like, there's not full. Like, boom, sugar boom. The basket of baba. Like, it's. It wasn't like full, you know, but.
- [61:59]
Huda
You were like, you were. You were intimate pretty early.
- [62:02]
Chris
Yeah, we were.
- [62:03]
Huda
How do you think that complicated things?
- [62:05]
Chris
If it did, I think that you should definitely from learning from my mistakes, like, especially coming out of this. Don't do that. That's all I will say. Like, don't do it. Like, that is a no. No. I think that a lot of times when guys end up getting what they want, it changes their character. And you felt that way? I did. I don't think I spoke on it, but I. There's things that I felt a lot in the villa that I never spoke on, but I clocked.
- [62:36]
Huda
Why?
- [62:37]
Chris
Because I didn't really have much people to talk to about it. That's why. A lot of time, like with psych and stuff, like, I would ask her so I could talk about it.
- [62:45]
Huda
What. What did you feel about post being intimate with him? How was. What was the shift.
- [62:53]
Chris
Like, when I would ask him to do, like, nice things for me? Because, like, a lot of the guys in the villa were doing really cute, thoughtful things for their girls and couples and they weren't even on the level of like, intimacy as we were or anything. And like, they weren't saying the things that we were saying to each other. That's why the love bombing. Like, hey, you know, you got what she wanted. And yeah, it's just. I don't know, like, there was that. And I would ask of things and like, people are always like, huda. I saw people saying like, oh, she's so needy. She's so this. She's so that. What does my say? I'm not your cup of tea. Don't drink it like the.
- [63:28]
Huda
But I think it's interesting to hear you with. Especially with Love bombing, which we'll eventually get to. And. But you're talking about the phase where you're being lifted up like you're this princess and you're the world, and you're his girl, and you're all these things, and then you basically get physical and you feel discarded. And it's kind of like, I got what I needed, and now I think it's important. I'm not saying everything that you went on to do was correct, but I do think it's good that we're kind of just, like, walking through slowly, because any woman listening, I hope you haven't experienced it, but I have. So I can sit across from you and say, I've been there, where there is this horrible feeling when you realize, oh, my God, did he love the chase? And then I gave in and I had sex with him. And now it's not as. As enticing to him. It's not as interesting. And so you being like, can you just do little cute things for me? You're really just trying to see, like.
- [64:21]
Chris
I was like, damn, it's only physical. Like. Like, I was like, yeah, you're making me breakfast in the morning. But, like, sometimes it's. It's more than just breakfast in the morning. And then people are like, oh, you're. Well, you're not doing stuffing for him. I'm not giving wifey to a man who don't fucking deserve it.
- [64:36]
Huda
Can you explain pancake fake gate to me?
- [64:39]
Chris
Oh, can I explain this to you, though, before I do that?
- [64:42]
Huda
Yes.
- [64:42]
Chris
So there was times where, like, I would express to him what I, Like, I. What I wanted from him. And, like, I would be like, hey, can you do this for me? He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do it. And they would never do it. And it drove me crazy because it was like, every single day I'd be like, hey, like, you know, and it's a lot for me to come up to someone and be like, hey, this is what I want. Because I always get scared I'm gonna push them away. And I would say, like. Like, hey, you know? And it's. One of our conversations we had early on is like, I have a hard time asking for things. And, yes, I've done it a lot in the show, but it's like, it's because I'm getting out of my comfort zone. I'm trying to ask for things, and I'm trying to be communicative and, like, speak about it. What I'm feeling, because the whole point, how are you feeling? Like, all the time? And so I brought things up to him, and he would say he was going to do. Oh, yeah, I have this, and I have this, and I have this plan. I'm going to do this, this, and this for you. I'm like, okay, yeah. I'm sitting there waiting, like, for the day. Nothing I'm like, that would drive any.
- [65:38]
Huda
Girl crazy, without a doubt. My question, though, back to you is, do you think that you reciprocate the same standards that you hold your partners to?
- [65:49]
Chris
When I'm with somebody, like, and they are showing me days on end that they truly give a fuck about me getting to know me, about showing me that they like me more than just words, but through actions, then I'm the type of person, like, girl with my ex, he switched his career every two seconds. Every single time, he'd be like, oh, I want to decorate shoes. I said, okay, cool bottom everything for it. Oh, I want to go run track. I was at the field with him. Oh, I want to do this. I would do XYZ with him. All like, I'm such a supportive partner. I love uplifting and motivating whoever I'm with. That is my big thing. I think that you can do anything you want and you set your mind to. And I feel like every man needs that. They need a woman who's their cheerleader, and that's who I am in a relationship. Like, that's what I do. I love taking care of somebody. I'm a mom. Like, I love taking care of somebody, making someone feel okay. I like. Like, when I. When I have, like, am I actually, like, with somebody? I love cooking for them. I love cleaning, doing their laundry, massages. I love doing all of those things for my partner. And in past relationships, I'm a hundred percent that girl, and I do that.
- [66:50]
Huda
What do you think was the actual first crack in you and Jeremiah's relationship?
- [66:55]
Chris
Oh, my God. I'd have to, like, deep dive. Can you remind me of, like, key points that would happen?
- [66:59]
Huda
I mean, I definitely think after you guys were intimate, I felt you understandably being meteor, like, wanting more validation external from physical. And it almost felt like that, like, pursuer regressor situation where you were going to him being like, can you do this? Can you do this?
- [67:16]
Chris
Run away?
- [67:17]
Huda
And he would run away. And then it was.
- [67:19]
Chris
And I felt that in person. And it just makes you want to run more to them. Like, you want to be like, hey, look, can I do this? Can I do that? Like, am I. Am I? Like, are you mad at me? Are you this? Like. And I. I'm always that person. Like, are you mad at me? Did I do something wrong? You know, one of the big talks me and him had before we even started anything was, we're going to communicate. We have to communicate. We're going to tell each other everything. And he told me I could tell him everything. So I did. Anytime I was feeling something, I would tell him. And, you know, I. Everyone has expectations for their partner, like, what they want. And I think at the time, like, I was thinking about, like, what could be. And I wasn't thinking about, like, the reality of it, like, seeing it for how it was. And at that point, it was, like, too late for me to even explore others because everyone had their mind made up about me. They're like, oh, yeah, she's so locked in, and she's this and she's that, and it's like, great. So, like, now I really don't have an option if I wanted to, so I'm forced to make this work.
- [68:09]
Huda
At one point in the season, Jeremiah told Iris, even though that you guys were going through this rough patch, he was still focused on you. You were his girl. He was validating your relationship. But you were upset that he had confided in Iris. Why was that something that made you uncomfortable?
- [68:26]
Chris
I don't like when people talk about, like, our business. Personally, I've. Maybe I've done in the past. I'm hypocritical. But, like, I've. I mean, I don't like it. I mean, I've learned from my mistakes. You know what I'm saying? Like, am I gonna do that? No. Like, do you know everyone up? But yeah. No, I just didn't want him to tell that to someone. I don't know.
- [68:50]
Huda
So I get that you being upset. And I think what people got frustrated with you during the seasonhood was, like, a lot of times your feelings were valid. That's so valid for you. Be like, why are you telling another woman about our issues? That, like, she likes you and you guys have kissed and, like, what? This is messy. Please don't talk.
- [69:08]
Chris
I'm sorry. But when he's walking in, she's like, like. And stuff, like, freaking the out about it. I'm like, you're giving me the ick, brother. Like, get the out of my face.
- [69:17]
Huda
But see, okay, hold up. What I'm saying is your feeling is valid.
- [69:21]
Chris
Yeah.
- [69:21]
Huda
But your reaction, a lot of the time, you took it too Far to the point then where you were basically losing your credibility.
- [69:30]
Chris
Remember when I told you that they. There's a lot of things that play into how you react emotionally in there. Is that right? No, it's not right. And it's my first time in an environment like that. Never in my life have I been in an environment like that. Usually I can just have that conversation when I want to or feel the feelings, like, privately or do you know what I'm saying? And in terms of, like, crash outs, for example, we all crash out. Like, everybody crashes the out. And in all honesty, if someone says, oh, you're doing too much, I know damn well your ass crashed out in your room alone in 2018 over Jacoby. Like, like, what the. Like, do you know what I'm saying? Mine was just caught on national television. Do I think I could have handled that a lot better? Yeah. And that's what taking accountability and learning from your mistakes is.
- [70:20]
Huda
Can you talk to me about this communication breakdown? It seems like you and Jeremiah got to this point where you guys were always arguing. You could not get it right. Like, we hit this one point in the season where it was like, holy, they actually can't have one civilized conversation. When you would talk about things, why do you think the communication was breaking down so heavily?
- [70:42]
Chris
So I think that at a point I was scared that things weren't going to work. And I, I, like, at one point I knew that I had no other options in there, first of all. And that mean I'm partially my fault. Like, do you know what I'm saying? Like, it's not like, it's not like, I didn't prevent that from happening. And, you know, and that's the thing. I, like, I made mistakes in there. And I've. I've had to learn throughout the season that, hey, you shouldn't do that. But there was little things that built up where it was like, okay, you know, I'm asking you, like, hey, can you just. Do you want to play ping pong with me? Like, I really want to play ping pong and you don't play with me, but you pull Iris and play with her. You've never pulled me the entire season to play ping pong. It's like little things that, like, mean something to me, and people say, oh, you're so nitpicky. You're so this, you're so that. Okay, there's things that I like in a relationship. There's things I want in a relationship. The right man is going to do.
- [71:36]
Huda
All of those Things when the shocking recoupling happening where America split you and Jeremiah up going into that night, like, what were your feelings about your relationship? And then how did you feel when you found out that you guys got split up?
- [71:51]
Chris
At that point? I think I felt fine in the relationship. I can't remember vividly exactly what happened. I would have to watch it back. Like, I really don't. I just remember that I felt fine because I was like, oh, you know, couples argue, like, we can work on things, blah, blah, blah. You know what I'm saying? Like, I was like, I'm willing to work through this and yada, yada, yada. And then when it happened, I was like, what? I was so confused. I was like, america hates me. I was having a full blown panic attack. Full blown panic attack off camera. Like, full blown. They're sitting there with me like, okay, like, calm down. Like, you're gonna be okay. I'm like, I failed as a mother. I up, Like, I'm like, america hates me. Like, my daughter's gonna come back and her mom's gonna be the worst, the most hated person in the world. And I was like, now she has to live with that. Like, I'm. I'm gonna cry again because it's like I'm reliving it, but. Sorry. Anytime I talk about my daughter, I cry. But, you know, so I just. I was like, I failed. At that point, I was like, I failed and it was a terrible feeling. I'm so thankful. That's why I say luck is a big thing. I'm just so thankful that I had an opportunity to redeem myself not once, but twice. First time, did I do that to the full extent? No, because I was convinced maybe I can make things work still. And I knew that, for example, Pepe didn't want to explore me because, you know, I mean, Jeremiah was so locked in. And with Jalen. Jalen wasn't my type, and he's a sweet guy, but, like, he wasn't my type. And they always say, you know, explore people that aren't your type of in there. I knew what my type was, and that's what I wanted. But yeah, I was convinced that I could maybe make things work and fix things. I came to point it wasn't then I got saved again.
- [73:46]
Huda
But even that moment, Hooda, again, all we see is you're on the chopping block. You almost go home, he recouples with Iris, and you go up to the makeup room and you are hysterical. You're sobbing, you're so emotional.
- [73:59]
Chris
So you want to know why? I don't know if they didn't show this part, but this was a big. A big, big, big part. And this is why. This is the literal reason why I was sobbing so much up there. I am there for Jeremiah 24:7, always checking on him. When he's arguing with the boys and he's sad and whatever, I'm there for him like, hey, like, it's okay. You're gonna be okay. When in that moment, I'm hysterically crying, Taylor is sitting there comforting me the whole time. When we're off camera, he's comforting me. Taylor's scared as fuck, but he's comforting me. Okay. Same goes when. When Taylor was in there, and I'm purposely saying out loud, hey, Taylor, do you want to help me with my coffee? Like, trying to see, hey, is Jeremiah going to see that? Jeremiah standing right there? I'm trying to see if he's going to step up and be like, no, like, you're not making my girl coffee. You know, I'm saying, like, I wanted that from him to show him. Like, show me, hey, I, Like, I'm. I want to do these things for. You asked me, hey, would you like a coffee? Like, you know, something like that. And in that moment, after the chopping block, I was hysterically crying because of how much I, like, just. I felt like it failed. I'm crying. I'm crying. I'm crying. Charlie goes home. Jeremiah does not check on me. Once we saw that you did, like, he didn't. He didn't check on me at all. I'm always checking on this man. He never checked on me. The one time I really needed him, he was not there for me.
- [75:28]
Huda
That was a rough watch because you were saying, like, my husband would never, like, what kind of man is that? Like, where is he?
- [75:35]
Chris
And he's more focused on himself at that time. And there's so many times where, like, I was still there for him, regardless of what was going on. Like, I was always there, and I always made sure he was okay. Look at the milk challenge. I still. I was. I remember I. And I sat there for a minute. They only showed it a quick clip, but I sat there for him, like, I'm so sorry. I got to say, I was like, I'm so sorry. Like, I rubbed his face like that. We were sitting on the bleachers, and we were both getting milked on. He's looking at me while I'm crying, like, checking on me. And, like, he rubs my leg and is making sure, I'm okay. And I rub his arm. Like, we were still checking on each other all these times, like, and in that moment after the chopping block, and I realized he was never there for me. It just. It made me hysterical because I was like, this man doesn't care.
- [76:18]
Huda
Once this all went down, you guys are no longer in a couple. We saw things really shift. And I think this is really when people deemed this as, like, the crash out era, where you're no longer in a couple. Things are shifting. You're kind of starting to spiral because you're losing him. Were you aware of how unhealthy things were getting between the two of you in the villa?
- [76:41]
Chris
Yeah.
- [76:41]
Huda
Like, you felt it?
- [76:42]
Chris
I did.
- [76:44]
Huda
Did it feel like it had gotten bigger than you, like, or were you just trying to save the relate? Like, what were you trying to do in that moment? You think?
- [76:50]
Chris
Can you reiterate the moment?
- [76:52]
Huda
Like, you.
- [76:54]
Chris
I'm so sorry.
- [76:55]
Huda
I know. I got it. Let me just read it to you right here. I have a perfect example. The Internet was extremely upset when you called Jeremiah a ass, right? And then there's also the other side of the Internet who are like, damn, if that's what you guys considered bad, you would hate to see me on Love Island. And regardless of how the Internet feels about it, there was a lot of name calling and all the things like, what pushed you over to the edge to start, kind of like using a little bit more profanity.
- [77:24]
Chris
So at that point, I just felt like he kept winning. It really upset me because, like, it just felt like the stars were just aligning for him and everything was fucked for me. That whole time. I wasn't talking about twice. This man doesn't check on me. Then he's on a date and I'm crying by myself. Like, then he comes back, happy as can fucking be, enjoying his day, still doesn't give a fuck. Like, it's just like, damn, all that you said to me. Where is that? And I'm just sitting. I'm just like, damn, I'm stupid as fuck for sticking around, like, and just giving this man my all. Like, I'm dumb for that. Because even in that moment, even after everything he did, I was still checking on this man. Like, and I shouldn't have done that. I should have never done that. And you know, like, people are saying, oh, like, it's so bad that you called him a pussy ass. Be so for real. You know how many people called a man pussy ass?
- [78:11]
Huda
Me, right? My ex boyfriend. If you're Watching my.
- [78:17]
Chris
My.
- [78:17]
Huda
He is a ass bitch.
- [78:19]
Chris
No, but like, mine was recorded. Like, I should be like, when you're texting with your friends and your man just did like that to you or something, you can text your friends and be like that, man.
- [78:29]
Huda
You piece of loser ass little boy. Yeah, I will ruin your life.
- [78:35]
Chris
Hold on, pause.
- [78:38]
Huda
Calm down.
- [78:39]
Chris
I'm weak as fuck, but trigger just like, hold on.
- [78:42]
Huda
And also.
- [78:42]
Chris
And now that's a raven.
- [78:45]
Huda
Like, they're like, literally go back.
- [78:46]
Chris
Like the drama like that one.
- [78:48]
Huda
No, but it's real. It's like, why are you being held to the standard? Again, I'm not condoning it, but I'm also.
- [78:53]
Chris
It's not the best way to do things. No, but it's also.
- [78:57]
Huda
It's like, is it a crash out? And I think, again, this is a big conversation. If this was a man versus a woman. It's like when you see a crash out. We have seen men on reality TV punch a fudgeing hole through a wall. We have seen flip furniture. We have seen them throw things at people. We have seen people literally talk about, I will kill you, blah, blah, blah. I'm not saying it wasn't a lot when you did it in the moment. I think because you were the only one at that level, it also kind of exacerbated you. And there was a spotlight and you're walking through and you're walking from the fire pit to the back and you're. That I will give you. It was. I would have done that. You were like, listening in on the conversation.
- [79:32]
Chris
I did that a lot in this season because I'm sitting here and I'm just like, I might as well do it by myself because I don't know who the gonna tell on me in here. So I'm sitting here. I'm just like. Because mind you, I'm hard of hearing, so I'm like trying to listen in and see if I can hear it. I'm like, I hope I'm getting this right. Foreign.
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Huda
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- [82:22]
Huda
There's obviously a lot of focus on you and like. But obviously there were two people in this dynamic. Do you think Jeremiah has taken any accountability for what he caused within this relationship?
- [82:34]
Chris
Not that I've seen. I haven't seen really much. Every time someone says something, I feel like he's always like, anytime. Like, I saw that interview with Kaisena and Kai was saying that I was crazy or something. And then like, like, do I think anyone should be getting hate? No, I'm gonna say it like it is and say exactly what happened and be honest. What another person, what another individual does is beyond me. But I'm not gonna sit here and laugh and be like, if someone's hating on him, I'm gonna be like, huh? Like, I'm not doing that.
- [83:09]
Huda
Do you think you're being held to the same standard as Jeremiah in the accountability around the toxicity of this relationship?
- [83:17]
Chris
What I will say is he got out of the villa before I did. Did he had a chance to write his own name before I did. He got a pretty face like, he's sitting here and he's just like, I'm so charming. And I'm like. And it's just like, okay, cool. You are painting your own narrative. That's fine. You're saying whatever you want to say. That's fine. But I'm gonna say how it really is. I'm gonna say exactly what the happened and exactly what I was feeling. Because as of until today, no one truly knows what the I was feeling and no one knows what was going on. There's not. Not everything was shown.
- [83:50]
Huda
Let's close the chapter on Jeremiah. Give me your synopsis. What the happened? What do you think it was now that you look back?
- [83:57]
Chris
I think that personally, from what I was feeling, now I won't know, but from what I was feeling, I felt like everything was great. Got intimate. Things started changing a little bit. Told him I was a mom. Things started changing. A lot of it. Like, a lot of things kind of let. People were getting in his ear. Things were changing even more. A lot of those things happen. I was getting more needy because I was scared that he was feeling indifferent. He has every right to feel indifferent. Even if he felt indifferent about me, that's fine. But, like, talk to me about it. And you're telling me every second that we're fine, you're good, you're fine, we're good, we're good. And then your actions are showing otherwise. It's like, okay, I'm going to be upset about that that I'm not gonna see. But you're like, that's fine. Like, especially if we're supposed to be working on our relationship.
- [84:48]
Huda
Do you think you were love bombed?
- [84:50]
Chris
Yeah. Plain, simple. I think I was. In all complete honesty, I know that he feels indifferent. I don't think he fully understands the capacity of loved ones. He thinks that love bombing is just gifts. And I'm pretty sure. I think that's what I heard. I'm just like, that's not it. That's not all of it. Looking at me all the time and being like. Like, I. I'm just kidding. And mind you, at the beginning of the season, take, take, take it from me around all my friends. I'm around my daughter 24 7. I'm always saying, okay, love you, bye, Love you, love you, love you, bye. Because I say I love you to everybody. Life's too short, you know, Life is too short to not say I love you. And I forgot, like, I hadn't been dating like that at all. Like, it had been since like, what, like October or something. Like, I, I literally was not in the dating world at all. I'm so used to saying, okay, I love you, bye, love you, bye. Even when any of, like the people and staff and whatever were like, doing things with me beforehand, like in the hotel and like, people, I would always say, okay, love you, bye, love you, bye. That's the type of person I am, a very lovey dovey person. And I had to catch myself a few times because I was, I kept saying, okay, love you, bye. Like saying to Jeremiah, I remember that moment.
- [85:55]
Huda
There was like one moment where we saw you say, like, love you, bye, and you're like, oh, wait, no.
- [85:58]
Chris
Yeah, I think I did it a couple times. Like, I, I was. And I had to train myself like, oh, don't do that. Because I didn't mean to. It was not intentional. But he would look at me, be like, I just kidding. I like you. Like, he would do that to me. I don't know if any of that was shown, but he would do it so much, especially in bed. Like, he would do that all.
- [86:18]
Huda
Yeah, we never saw that in bed.
- [86:20]
Chris
All the time. All the time. How could you not fall for somebody? How could you not feel like, you know, I'm saying. And it's like when he's saying love bombing is gifts and whatever. From what I was, I was hearing on social media. I don't know if he said more, but that's what I heard. And yeah, it's just like. And I seen him doing those things just like, okay, love mom is not just gifts. And it's a lot more to it than that. Being super physical with me all the time, lovey dovey, really fast right away, kissing a girl on the cheek, like those things. Like, it's just like, okay, how did.
- [86:54]
Huda
You feel when he got. Got kicked off the island?
- [86:56]
Chris
I cried. I hate seeing people upset. I hate it. I'm a big empath. Like, my friend's crying over something. I'm. I'm usually crying with her, like a lot of times, especially if I relate and you know, like, I have serious concern for a lot of people's feelings. And when he got done for that and I was like, like, damn. Like, I. It's not, that's not what I wanted. It's Like, I'm sitting here. I'm like, yeah, I got dumped off the island. Like, I'm sitting. I'm like, damn. Even though he was doing exactly what he was doing to me, to Andreina, like, he did the exact. Like, literally, verbatim, like, the exact same thing. Like, every single thing, down to the chill days. The whole little from across the room. The little from across the room. Me and Taylor clocking this shit from across. We're just looking at you like.
- [87:47]
Huda
Like, is this really happening again?
- [87:52]
Chris
Exactly to the. It's like he reads a textbook.
- [87:55]
Huda
Was that hard for you to watch?
- [87:57]
Chris
Yes. Oh, my God. I had to sit there and I'm just looking at them doing it from afar, and I'm like. And that's when I started getting the ick. I was like, you're. What is wrong with you? I'm like, like, you're sitting here and you're just like, from across the room with the same. The same exact things he would do with me. Me. And it's just like, okay, now I get it. He is a love bomber. But I made sure not to speak to them about either. Each other. I never did. I wanted them to have their own ideas of each other and create their own.
- [88:30]
Huda
Okay, so I think we can close the Jeremiah chapter.
- [88:32]
Chris
Yeah. That man does not deserve have his name in my mouth.
- [88:35]
Huda
We're done.
- [88:36]
Chris
Amen.
- [88:37]
Huda
Let's talk about Casa Amor, bitch.
- [88:39]
Chris
Casa Amora tonight. Tonight. Oh, my God. He would say my name. Huda. He was that. And Chris. I'm like, okay, you're like, say it again. That's my name.
- [88:52]
Huda
Okay. Going into casa, did it feel like a fresh start? Like, what were you looking forward to?
- [88:58]
Chris
I was hype as the whole time I was sitting in the freaking villa, I was like, damn, when is my man gonna come in here? Like, when is this gonna fucking happen? I'm sitting here having me time. 24 fucking 7. Like, I know TJ don't want my ass. Like, bitch, I knew exactly who we wanted. Like, I'm doing my best here. I'm, like, trying my best. Thank you for, like, the practice.
- [89:17]
Huda
You took it like a champ.
- [89:18]
Chris
Yeah. I was like, options are coming. I'm fine. Like, it's not the end of the world. Like, you know, I'm saying I'm not your cup of tea. That's fine. Like, it's okay.
- [89:24]
Huda
So were you nervous at all? Because I know the casa boys maybe got to see like a couple clips or whatever the amount was that they got to watch of the actual Season. Were you nervous of how they were going to perceive you because of your situation with Jeremiah?
- [89:36]
Chris
Yeah, I was sitting here. I was just like, okay, great, great. So they're all gonna think I'm crazy, fabulous. I'm walking in here, I'm just like. And I'm even like, I'm thinking in my brain. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna sit here going into this happy as. And I know that these guys watch everything. Is this gonna up every. Like, I'm like, damn it. The beginning. The guys are being buddy, buddy. Can't explore. I up my. My think in the beginning by being too close up. Can't explore this dude doesn't want me. Can't explore him. Going into casa amore thinks I'm a crash out Great girl.
- [90:16]
Huda
You can only go up from there. Yeah, that's a positive way.
- [90:19]
Chris
And I think I surprised a lot of the casa boys. Like, I really did. The number one thing they all kept telling me is like, huda, you're cool as. They're like, you're actually really cool. I'm like, what are they doing? Like, what? Like, like, like, why do you all.
- [90:32]
Huda
All think I'm, like, terrible going into casa? I mean, people talked about how they really respected you because you tried to literally explore with everyone. And I think a lot of people respected that.
- [90:42]
Chris
I'm.
- [90:42]
Huda
Thank God you connect with Chris, but so did Shelly. What was your understanding of how she felt about him?
- [90:51]
Chris
So. So from the beginning, when I first saw him and we were sitting next to each other at the fireplace. At the fireplace, it. I was always making side jokes. I don't know if any of these are showing on camera, but, like, I was always making little side jokes. He would laugh at everything I said. And humor is so big to me in relationships. Like, as I'm goofy as. And I need a goofy person. I was a theater kid. Like, I'm very goofy, very weird. Like, we love that. So I'm sitting there making, like, little jokes. I have a lot of sarcasm. Like, I do a lot of sarcasm. I roast the out of people. I have a guy best friend and a girl best friend. Like, and we're all the same way. It's like, it's just my sense of humor. Some people, they're very sensitive and they can't take that type of humor. And that's okay. Like, it's not the end of the world. I just won't make those jokes with you. That's fine. But, like, you know, I'm sitting here and I'm just Having these jokes and doing sarcastic comments. And he is eating the up. And I'm like, hell, yeah. You think I'm funny? Like, yeah. Because in the villa, no one gave a shit about nothing. I would say. I say something. It's. I'm just like, okay, great. And I'm in the. I'm as casa more. Oh, we love Huda. She's great. I'm like, yes. Like, you guys like me. I was like, thank God. I'm so isolated. I was like, you think I'm funny?
- [92:09]
Huda
Like, okay. So you. You though knew that Shelly kind of was interested.
- [92:14]
Chris
So I knew she was interested in him. Okay. Obviously, she picked him for the kiss. When I didn't pick him for the kiss, it literally wasn't, I'm not interested in you. You. I literally said. And Beacha. I don't know if it was showing, but I said, amicia, how I don't know who I want. Which is true. Because I want to get to know you. Learning from my mistakes. I want to get to know them. That's what I was doing. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, of course I don't know who I want. JD picked me. I didn't pick jd. That was not my decision at all.
- [92:46]
Huda
So can you clarify? Did you bring Chris back to the villa for you, For Shelley, or for both of you?
- [92:53]
Chris
For both of us. I've literally said this so many times.
- [92:58]
Huda
Explain it again, because people still don't get it.
- [93:00]
Chris
I've said it so many times. I literally said, I'm sitting there in the dressing with her. I have this great idea. Chris likes me. I like Chris. Chris likes you. You like Chris. I haven't found a match in here. I haven't even explored him, because I'm thinking, he don't want nobody else. Because you're making it seem that way. But I took a chance last minute. I took so crazy how cards play out. So crazy. Take a fucking chance. And I go and I bring him for a chat. We have a conversation, goes, well, he likes me. I like him. Cool. Great. We're interested in getting to know each other. I can get to know somebody cool. First time in a minute. Great. So I was like, okay, I have this great idea. Let's do this. I'll bring Chris back. You with ace. That way you can still explore Chris, and I can explore Chris as well. And you can still explore. It's like. It's a. It's a happy. I'm sitting here being like, we're gonna be great. Like, this is great. Like, we're happy. As.
- [94:03]
Huda
That all made sense to me. So then, like.
- [94:05]
Chris
And I don't want to be territorial anymore. That's the other thing. Like, I'm trying to completely change. Like, I'm trying to be a better person. Not just like, as myself, but in relationships. I'm trying to be better.
- [94:15]
Huda
So what the do you think got lost in translation between you and Shelly?
- [94:20]
Chris
Beats me. Like, I'm sitting here and this is the thing. Like, I felt like everyone kept talking about me, and no one was talking to me. No one was asking me, so what is it? XYZ 1, 2, 3. Like, what did you say specifically? What. This and this and this. And I think there's, like, little relationships and that are a lot stronger than me and other ones. And no one gave a. About my opinion. I would try to talk about things in a lot of scenarios where there's a lot of situations where I would be like, hey, can I talk to this about you? Or do you think this. And people would dismiss me multiple times in the villa, I felt like I had no one. Like, I. I was. I wanted to talk about things with people, and no one would give a. And. And I think that a lot of people are just talking to Shelly, and there was things that were said that weren't said. And it's just like, you're dragging shit and you're making things seem otherwise, and that fucks me up. Now everyone is ganging up on my ass, and all you could have done is had a conversation with me.
- [95:22]
Huda
Okay.
- [95:24]
Alex Cooper
When you.
- [95:25]
Huda
There were so many conversations about, like, who's being a girl's girl. Can you, from your perspective, explain to me how do you balance friendship while competitively trying to pursue love?
- [95:38]
Chris
I think that in the villa, people would always tell me, even when I was with Jeremiah, they're like, everyone's here to explore. Everyone's gonna explore. You're not closed off. Everyone's gonna explore. Things are, you know, you can't take too seriously. Blah, blah, blah. No one owns anybody. So I'm taking all of these things that people are telling me to try to learn this process and kind of like. Like, do it better. And I'm carrying that with me. And in that. That being said, I'm getting on for it. And everyone had their opinions on us too. This is fake. They don't really like each other. Because in the. In casa in general, like, I really kept a lot of things to myself just from me being so expressive about Jeremiah in the beginning and how that Played out for me. It's like, I don't want to tell everybody everything. Like, I don't.
- [96:23]
Huda
Okay, I have to ask. This is a little bit of a pivot. But. But the moment with Amaya in the standing on business challenge, why did you not speak up for her?
- [96:34]
Chris
I wanted to speak up in that moment. I think I was trying to. And then everyone kept talking over me, and it was a thing where, like, if I yelled, they'd be like, huda. Be quiet. Da, da, da.
- [96:43]
Huda
And I'm just like, yeah, well, that was fucking rough. Okay, you better be fucking honest with me right now.
- [96:51]
Chris
Come on.
- [96:52]
Huda
What really happened between you and Ace in this God damn heart rate challenge?
- [96:59]
Chris
Oh, why is everything. I went too far.
- [97:01]
Huda
Yes.
- [97:02]
Chris
Oh, okay. So you know. You know when I was doing the. It was like the dominant versus the missive challenge.
- [97:06]
Huda
Yes.
- [97:07]
Chris
Where, like, I kind of just go like. Like, to everybody, so. Well, not to everybody. To Jeremiah. I did the same thing to all the guys.
- [97:13]
Huda
Wait, okay, slow down.
- [97:15]
Chris
From, like, from, like, dick up. Like, I went like.
- [97:17]
Huda
Okay, wait, there is a. There's a clip.
- [97:20]
Chris
Yeah.
- [97:20]
Huda
Of your gorgeous, bodacious ass turning from you forward facing Tim to you doing a little spin around ass near face. And then it cuts. And then we see you guys, like, getting up. And the theory online is that you. You put your ass in his face. Is that true? Why are you looking at me like that?
- [97:43]
Chris
That's so funny. I'm just like. That is not what happened.
- [97:46]
Huda
Like, did you ride his face a little bit with that?
- [97:48]
Chris
No.
- [97:49]
Huda
Were those ass cheeks a little round his?
- [97:51]
Chris
No, I think that's too far. Like, that's a no go. My butt, I think, was like on his stomach area. Like, this area right here.
- [97:58]
Huda
Okay.
- [97:58]
Chris
And I was twerking, and I got. It was like two seconds too. I literally went. I went. And I got up. I'm so dead.
- [98:05]
Huda
So there were no cheeks suffocating?
- [98:07]
Chris
No. The only thing that ever happened was when I accidentally fell on Taylor in that Woodchuck Wood challenge. Like, that is the only.
- [98:17]
Huda
Taylor was like, I love my life right now.
- [98:20]
Chris
Flew back. I was like. I literally said, I'm so sorry. I get up, I'm looking at Jeremiah. I'm like, like, I up. I did not mean to do that. No, I did not put my ass in on whatever the Ace's face. That did not happen.
- [98:37]
Huda
Okay. More importantly, where the did you learn how to shake your ass like that?
- [98:42]
Chris
Girl, I learned. Even when I had, like, no booty, I learned. My friends taught me. Girl, I Would be there in the mirror, just practicing. I would take little videos of myself trying. I remember when I started to get a little booty from working out. I remember I would literally be like. Be like, oh, my God, it's moving.
- [98:57]
Huda
Oh, my God, it's jiggling.
- [98:58]
Chris
Like, it's. It's moving. Like, progress, girl.
- [99:02]
Huda
That is a skill.
- [99:04]
Chris
Thank you.
- [99:05]
Huda
Okay, we gotta talk about Chris now. Let's get, like, a little bit more into the weeds here, because this went. Went south. Viewers were excited for you to have a connection in the villa. And you guys get back, and we do quickly kind of see issues start to arise. A big issue in you and Chris's relationship was that he felt like you were touchy privately, but not publicly. Why? And I know you said it was because of Jeremiah, but, like, can you really describe why you did not want to do PDA with him?
- [99:38]
Chris
Okay, so, like, in my brain, it's like, okay, undercovers. Private. In a separate room. Private. I don't like. And mind you, I was doing with Jeremiah, but, like, until I see it in my face. Like, for example, like. Like, an iris and pepper would do it all the time to piss me off. Like, just to be funny. They'd be like, hood. I look away, and they'd be kissing, and then I'd look over. I'm like, oh, my God. Like, I don't want to see that. I don't want to do that. That. Also, the entire time with Jeremiah, everyone has their opinions on our relationship because we're so touchy in front of everybody. It's like, maybe I don't want people to. To have their opinions and talk about us and whatever. Like, I just want to keep that to us. Is that a crime?
- [100:21]
Huda
I mean, I got it. I think I couldn't get why he kept lingering and, like, really couldn't get over it.
- [100:29]
Chris
There's reasons why I wouldn't either. Too cute.
- [100:31]
Huda
Why?
- [100:31]
Chris
There was so many things that he was doing that were not shown at all. And I think that, like, all of those things played into the. Me not wanting to kiss him sometimes.
- [100:40]
Huda
Like, can you just give an example of, like, what you were experiencing that was playing into you not wanting to kiss him?
- [100:45]
Chris
Yeah. No. So he. He had a wandering eye. He was definitely looking at other girls even. Even if it was off camera. Would say things about other girls, and it's like, why are you talking about a girl like that in front of me? Me. And he would have little cute nicknames for girls, and he would say, shut up. He would a lot Too. He. That was.
- [101:10]
Huda
Want you to shut up. So many times where I was like, this isn't, like, joking anymore. Yeah, he always was saying that to you.
- [101:19]
Chris
Yeah. And a lot of times, like. And I think that people were saying that I was being rude in certain ways. There's sometimes in my joking way of talking. Sometimes, like, when I'm just like, robbie. So for real, like. And I talk like that, and it sounds like I'm being really mean. But when you know my humor, like, that's how I talk, I can't remember. There's, like, one specific moment I had seen a clip of me talking. I was like, damn, I can see how that sounds mean. It was in a joking manner, but I can see how that sounds to me. And that's happened a lot, too. I mean, people don't understand my humor. But there was a lot of things that played into me not wanting to kiss him. Because I'm like, you're not doing the things I'm asking you to do, so why would I kiss you in front of other people? Right, girl? He would never talk to me during the night, but he would talk to every single girl he would. I would walk in the mornings and I would get all cute. And, like, I remember there's one specific moment I was in a green bikini and, like, some white shorts. And I felt so cute that day. And I walked down the stairs. He is not looking at me even, but he's having a full conversation with Shelly. Like, doesn't even. This is full. And. And this would happen with multiple girls in the middle. Like, he would do this, and it's just like, damn, say good morning. And I was like, why didn't you say good morning? Because it's like, this has been happening for a while since I noticed he started having a wandering eye. And that's when I was like, okay, I'm not about to start trying to get his attention. I'm not about to do what I did before and, like, be needy. I'm not doing that.
- [102:42]
Huda
Like, it seemed like Chris, it was like, randomly just kind of like, told everyone that you guys had sex without talking to you.
- [102:53]
Chris
I didn't fully do anything. That's the other part.
- [102:56]
Huda
Oh, really, girl?
- [102:57]
Chris
It was like, halfway. It wasn't even all like, he. We did not. Like this. The other thing, like, it was like this. Like, it wasn't even the full shebang. Like, I'm just like, you're over here. Like, yeah, we had sex and we did this, and I fucked this girl. She's so Fine. Shut up. Like, you barely put that shit in. Don't even. And it's not because I couldn't take it, that's for sure. Like, shut up. I like that irritated the out of me.
- [103:25]
Huda
But did you two even have a conversation that you were like, chill with him even saying that, or is he just going around and saying that?
- [103:32]
Chris
Girl, he knows how I feel about me, about people sharing business of mine.
- [103:37]
Huda
I think we all do.
- [103:39]
Chris
Amen, sister. Like.
- [103:46]
Huda
I learned that today. You're like, shut up. No, between us.
- [103:50]
Chris
You want to know what's funny? In bed, I literally said, keep this between us. You think I'm gonna tell him, honey? You think I'm telling? I'm like, okay. Like, okay, I know he's not gonna tell me. Then he goes and does it. You told me you weren't gonna do. And I don't think that was shown on camera. But he. In a lot of the conversations in bed were never shown. But that's when everybody starts getting lovey dovey and talking real a lot. So just an FYI. But yeah, in bed, he told me he wouldn't.
- [104:14]
Huda
Oh my God.
- [104:15]
Chris
I'm just like, be for real, brother.
- [104:17]
Huda
Go back and play basketball.
- [104:19]
Chris
Okay. You were good.
- [104:21]
Huda
Yeah, exactly. Thank you.
- [104:23]
Chris
I'm just kidding.
- [104:24]
Huda
No, it's fine.
- [104:25]
Chris
You're so don't know. I haven't watched anything.
- [104:27]
Huda
Can you explain to me this pillow fight situation?
- [104:29]
Chris
So I had a nose job.
- [104:30]
Huda
Yep. Looks great, by the way.
- [104:32]
Chris
Thanks, Queen. I had a nose job, like, a few months ago. He threw this pillow. Mind you, it might have not been on purpose. I don't, like, I don't think it was on purpose, but even I kept saying, I was like, bro, you picked the hardest pillow and threw it at my face. You saw the way you threw that. Girl, you're six, eight. Your hands are the size of my face and you chuck a pillow at my face.
- [104:55]
Huda
Girl, it likes.
- [104:56]
Chris
Do you process things in your brain?
- [105:01]
Huda
I'm just like, you got, you got. Wow, girl.
- [105:04]
Chris
And I'm sitting here and they're like, she's so dramatic. It's like she got shot. Get the out of my face. That hurts so bad. I couldn't even touch my. My nose. Like, like, like lightly like this without it being in so much pain.
- [105:16]
Huda
Did he apologize?
- [105:18]
Chris
He goes, sorry. Cuddles his pillow.
- [105:22]
Huda
Let's quickly talk about the peaks in the pits. It was so fucking sad. You're all sitting at this goddamn dinner. Everyone's like, let's talk about our peaks. You get to Chris the motherfucker is like, my two peaks are playing basketball with the boys and seeing you're sitting directly across from him, and he doesn't mention you at all.
- [105:38]
Chris
I say I clock everything, and these are all things for the back of my mind. You're like, you will give me a moment, bitch, be so for real.
- [105:45]
Huda
How did that make you feel when he wouldn't even mention you?
- [105:48]
Chris
I sat there, and I'm just like. I think there was so many things that were showing me that this man did not like me in that way or, like, was losing feelings in some way. And it's like, okay. It felt like the more I would talk about what I needed, the. The more he would pull back and, like, act like he was so nonchalant, and. And it's like, okay, great. That's fine. But I'm not gonna yell at you about it. I'm gonna sit here. I'm just gonna put it in the back of my mind and carry on.
- [106:13]
Huda
Okay, wait. The snuggling moment, though. You wake this man up in the dead of sleep and, oh, girl, he was not asleep.
- [106:21]
Chris
This man was not asleep. He purposely rolled over and was just standing there like this. This stiff as a board, like, standing there like this. And I'm like, hey, hey. He's not listening, so I'm like. To his lip, I'm like, brother, I know you're awake. And he's just, like, acting like he's asleep. He just rolled over like, he's sitting there acting like he's dead asleep. And I'm like, dude, why the fuck are you ignoring me, bro? Like.
- [106:45]
Huda
And you're like, if you don't cuddle me, I'm gonna be mad at you tomorrow.
- [106:48]
Chris
Because I was so over it, because I brought it up so many times, and you just smacked me in the fucking face. I got fucking tape on my nose looking like the fucking Notre Dame or whatever the fuck, like, over here. And you, brother, you're sitting here, and you're just like, oh.
- [107:03]
Huda
You're like, I'm gonna count to three.
- [107:05]
Chris
I'm trying everything. I tried everything. I got down to, okay? You want me to treat you like a child? Yeah, I'm gonna sit here, bitch. Was that the correct thing to do? No. I should have just left it and just left it alone. But you keep telling me that you're gonna fix this and fix that and do this and do that, and it's like, you're not doing it. And it's getting to that point where I'm like, brother, this is so irritating to me because it's every single night, you know when, like, they say, like, the guys will give you 100 and then they'll take away 20, give you another 10. Kind of like it to me. That's how it was feeling. And I'm trying my best beyond my best behavior. And I'm just like. Like, I'm trying to be a better person. Like, I am, right? Like. And if you say I'm not, look at the first. Like. Like, I'm. I'm trying. So, like, was it correct for me to count down? But girl, I went down to my last option.
- [107:58]
Huda
Chris's ex, alleged X posted on Tick Tock that he has a track record of being cold and passive aggressive. Can you confirm from your experience with him?
- [108:08]
Chris
Yes.
- [108:08]
Huda
Take me to the motherfucking.
- [108:10]
Chris
So easy. I'm sorry, you're like, yes, yes. And.
- [108:12]
Huda
And what else? Oh, yes, yes. The water moment. This has gone viral. Obviously. You and Chris are having this final dinner and you're sitting there together and you're breaking up and.
- [108:23]
Chris
Oh, my God, it's so funny.
- [108:24]
Huda
Oh, my God, Huda.
- [108:26]
Chris
I. When I watched that, I died laughing because I know exactly what happened in that moment.
- [108:30]
Huda
Okay, what?
- [108:31]
Chris
So it's just so funny. He. He. Because it made him look like he was doing his big one. What I had done when he walked up to me, like, after, like, he had walked away initially, I told him, and I was just like, hey, like, are you gonna carry me? Or, like, should I walk? Because mind you, there's like, rocks in the water and it's, like, murky, and there's like, maybe dirty things in there, like, I don't know, glass. I have no idea. I want to walk on that barefoot. And so I'm like, telling him, like, I'm like, okay, like, do you. Do you want to, like, scare me or am I gonna walk? And he's just like, I'm not gonna carry you. I said, said, okay, then I'll walk myself. Are you here? And then he walked away.
- [109:11]
Huda
And in the moment. So you guys had broken up, and I was curious because I feel like every girl I hope can see through that. He was kind of like, I don't care. What do you want to do? And I personally felt like it was such a cop out where it was like he wanted you to be the one to end it. You want to play victim, you can take the blame. And he's the victim.
- [109:30]
Chris
I know.
- [109:30]
Huda
And did you feel it in that moment?
- [109:32]
Chris
Yes.
- [109:33]
Huda
Yeah, that was tough to watch.
- [109:34]
Chris
I'M sitting here, and I'm trying not to argue. Like, I'm trying my best. Like, just have a civil conversation. I was told so many times this most mature conversation I've ever had. Like, I'm sitting here. I'm just like, okay, great. You're putting all of this into my hands. And you're like, no, I want things to work with you. Like, I want it to work out. And you're doing everything you possibly can do to make me think otherwise, and you're putting it all on me. So pick your decision. So what are you gonna do? And I'm just like, okay, well, I'm just like, is this what I want?
- [110:05]
Huda
No.
- [110:05]
Chris
And I'm not settling. I'm not settling.
- [110:08]
Huda
Where do you guys stand today? Cordial before this comes out.
- [110:15]
Chris
I don't give a.
- [110:16]
Huda
You'll be fine. You'll say this to his face.
- [110:17]
Chris
I'm. I've told him all. He knows, every single thing I've said right now. He's heard already.
- [110:22]
Huda
Yeah. He's posting a little on social media, acting like you guys are really fine.
- [110:26]
Chris
I wonder why.
- [110:28]
Huda
Me too.
- [110:28]
Chris
You know, a lot of people are. Are trying to trust me. I've clocked all of this stuff.
- [110:34]
Huda
Do you realize you made history? You and Chris made history together as the first couple to break up during the finale. Congratulations.
- [110:43]
Chris
I sat there. I sat there after it happened. I was like, has anyone ever done this before? I was like, is this, like. Is this, like, something? Everyone's like that. That goes for standing on business. You can't say I'm fake. That's for sure. You can't say I was going after that money. Like, that's all I have to say. I. I stayed real as this entire season.
- [111:05]
Huda
Even if it was messy.
- [111:06]
Chris
Even if it was messy. I'm real as.
- [111:08]
Huda
Okay, let's talk. Are there any toxic patterns that you recognized within yourself from being on Love island that you are going to try to move forward and break in your future dating life?
- [111:21]
Chris
Yes. One, Talking over other people when they're talking. I'm working on that. Two, I think being a little clean early on. Three, There's a lot, honestly, I'm working on myself.
- [111:38]
Huda
Oh, it's good.
- [111:39]
Chris
I think, like, not getting too defensive about things sometimes. I always say taking accountability. Like, I always want to make sure I'm taking accountability for things. You tell me. I feel there's. There's a lot that I'm like, no, I think that's it.
- [111:55]
Huda
I think it's like, everything that you've talked about today and knowing more about your childhood, I think you experienced certain things that as a young girl you should never have had to seen or experience. But what we all now know, especially because thankfully mental health is a larger topic. It's like we now know that whatever your childhood was, it plays a massive part into who you become and who you are. And so the fact that you are in moments repeating patterns, whether you are getting love bombed, it's like there is a reason you're doing that, Huda. There is a reason that you are, are genuinely so excited when someone is showing you love. Because look back at the beginning of this episode. You had a parent who you trusted and they completely abused their power and their love and all the things. And you didn't feel safe ever. So if someone's making you feel safe and loved, why the wouldn't you be excited to embrace that and enjoy that for even a second, even if it doesn't last long? So it's now on you to take what happened to you in your childhood and now be like, I am now a grown ass woman and I'm gonna do the work. So I cannot repeat the patterns and also not let what my parents did in my childhood did define who I am as a woman. But I'm actually going to take that, I'm gonna learn from that and I'm gonna be better from that. And I know what happened on Love island was a lot for you mentally, but I do believe even sitting with you today and getting to know you, like, I can feel it in you. Like, you don't like this. No one wants to be in a toxic relationship because there's in you that you still got to work on.
- [113:37]
Alex Cooper
And that's okay.
- [113:38]
Huda
Don't we all?
- [113:39]
Chris
Yeah. And another thing is I know that there's this thing going around that like, they told me I had to act right in order for me to, to stay on the show. And then I also got told that someone was like, oh, you know, she, they, they had to put her in psych all the time. Like, but first of all, I would voluntarily go to psych, like on my own. I would voluntarily go on my own if I felt like I needed to have a conversation about something. Because I didn't feel like I could have conversations with the girls around me. I needed a woman to talk to. That's when I would go to psych. And when I, when I felt like there was an a time where I felt more emotional, I would go to psych. I wouldn't. I wasn't we're so, like, you are mentally unstable. Don't. That. It was never that. Like, because people knew who I was. Like, they knew the real me and.
- [114:29]
Huda
Literally needed to talk.
- [114:31]
Chris
I need to have a conversation. And it's like, I know I have things to work on. Nobody's perfect.
- [114:36]
Huda
No, no. That's why I think I'm, like, a little exhausted and tired of the conversation about you online. I'm like, guys, let's calm down. Like, I. I think again, what I was saying earlier is like, I watched season two of UK Love Island. I was all the way back in those days watching that. If. If your was called a crash out. These are up for murder. Like, this was unhinged. Like you've never seen. It's like, I think we have to put in perspective what the scenario was, the environment. This is television. Guess what? As much as people want to deem you as this out or the other, you gave us the best tv. And clearly it seems like you do have good relationships with people in the villa. You aren't this big villain that the Internet has made you out to be. I do want to just ask though, like, how are you, though, mentally right now, I'm fine.
- [115:24]
Chris
I will say, like, I'm really happy I met Amaya.
- [115:27]
Huda
She's awesome.
- [115:28]
Chris
She sees me. Like, she really does. Like, I'm truly so grateful that I met that girl. Like, she is there for me 24 7. Even after this. Like, she's there for me and I'm there for her. Like, that is my girl. And Craggin, I love her, but damn, I'm emotional. Today you caught me at a great time.
- [115:50]
Huda
That'll be the thumbnail.
- [115:52]
Chris
Just me crying, call her mommy. So I.
- [115:58]
Huda
Period.
- [116:00]
Chris
So I. I love her. And I feel like after this whole experience, it's like, I'm just happy that I'm here. I'm happy that there's so much love. Love. I'm happy that I'm able to not really focus on the hate. And I'm happy that I have things that are more important to me, which is my family. And those are things that I'm more focused on rather than hate.
- [116:25]
Huda
Who are you closest to, aside from Amaya?
- [116:28]
Chris
Probably like Nick and Alandria.
- [116:30]
Huda
I think a lot of people wanted to know, like, the amount of times Nick did vote you to go off, how have you kind of reconciled?
- [116:38]
Chris
I think that I feel. Personally, I feel like he was influenced a lot in his decisions from. From my perspective, was that. Did that happen? I don't know. I think that everybody makes mistakes. I'm all about second chances. Alandra can tell you that. She tells me all the time. Like, you made me believe that people deserve second chances. I always felt like no one deserves one. And you see the goodness in people. And that's how I felt about Nick. I. I love him to death. Like, we're so close. We're such good friends. And, you know, he keeps me in check. I keep in check. Like, we're great, but. Yeah, like, I. I do have good relations outside the villa. But, you know, a lot of people definitely are being a lot nicer and I clock it. I do. I see these things.
- [117:26]
Huda
Okay, I feel like I put you in the hot seat enough today. I get it. The Internet is gonna be like, why didn't you ask her this? Why didn't you ask her this? Why didn't you guys? There's only so much time I can have with her. 2 Part 2 coming soon. Call her mommy.
- [117:39]
Chris
I'll be back.
- [117:40]
Huda
Okay, I'm gonna ask you some burning questions. Who was the fakest in the villa?
- [117:44]
Chris
Sierra.
- [117:45]
Huda
Who was the worst kisser on the show?
- [117:47]
Chris
See, this is the thing I did say, like, oh my God, I feel so bad, but I really don't care because he doesn't even like me. Jalen swallowed my whole face.
- [117:57]
Huda
That'll do it.
- [117:58]
Chris
My entire face. I'm sitting there like, who are you.
- [118:01]
Huda
Dreading seeing at the reunion the most?
- [118:02]
Chris
Most. I don't know. I think I've seen everybody already except for Jeremiah. I mean, I'm not really dreading. I really don't give a about him and like, at all.
- [118:10]
Huda
Yeah. Do you guys think you'll have a conversation or no?
- [118:12]
Chris
I already know he's gonna be like. Like we're all friends. I already know. Like, I already know he's gonna do that.
- [118:17]
Huda
Okay, last. Who is the most exciting guy that has slid into your DMS since you got home?
- [118:25]
Chris
I can't even look at them shits. Every time I refresh them hoes, they freaking. They refresh and there's too many. Wait. I literally commented on someone's TikTok. Someone was like, oh, yeah, Huda left single, but I look like there's so many guys that are in her DMS. I said, are we looking at the same DMs?
- [118:39]
Huda
Do you know how to organize your DMs by blue check mark? No, I gotta teach you.
- [118:44]
Chris
Do you want to do that now?
- [118:45]
Huda
Kinda.
- [118:45]
Chris
Let's get my phone. No, go none. Like, I literally haven't read anything.
- [118:49]
Huda
Oh my God, I am dying at one of these. We need to talk about this immediately.
- [118:54]
Chris
You're fucking lying.
- [118:55]
Huda
No, I'm not.
- [118:56]
Chris
So much to tell you. I'm like, damn, bitch, I just want to lay my life on you because there's so much about me that. No, nobody knows.
- [119:00]
Huda
Well, I was about to say, the minute the cameras go off, then we're gonna keep talking, which is so annoying. And I'm so sorry to say that, you guys, but you know, that's.
- [119:07]
Chris
Yeah, boy. You're lying, right?
- [119:09]
Huda
Literally not.
- [119:11]
Chris
We're gonna stay here forever. Gonna be like, okay, so tell me.
- [119:13]
Huda
Wait, what's going on?
- [119:14]
Chris
What about you? I want to hear about you. You're like, never.
- [119:17]
Huda
It's 10 o' clock at night.
- [119:19]
Chris
You're lying.
- [119:19]
Huda
No, I'm not kidding.
- [119:22]
Alex Cooper
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Huda
Meet Flip.
- [119:48]
Chris
She's one half of a Flip Flop.
- [119:50]
Huda
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- [119:55]
Chris
I chose to stay here. It really is paradise.
- [119:58]
Huda
So now Flip spends her time lounging.
- [120:00]
Chris
On the beach, swimming in the lagoon, and eating. The only thing more impressive than my.
- [120:04]
Alex Cooper
Appetite are all the dining options.
- [120:06]
Chris
Yeah. Have you tried food service to your cabana?
- [120:08]
Huda
Ooh, yum.
- [120:09]
Chris
Flip. Where'd she go?
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Huda
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Huda
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Chris
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Huda
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- [120:40]
Chris
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Huda
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Chris
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Chris
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Huda
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Chris
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- [121:17]
Huda
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