Jackson White: Toxicity and Tell Me Lies

Summary

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Call Her Daddy: Jackson White – Toxicity and Tell Me Lies

Host: Alex Cooper
Guest: Jackson White
Release Date: February 18, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode features Jackson White, star of Hulu's Tell Me Lies, diving deep into the complexities of playing a toxic, polarizing character, emotional detachment, personal growth, and his own relationship history—including a rare, open look at his background and journey to stability. The hosts (primarily Alex Cooper) and Jackson also get candid about addiction, family, and love.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Processing the End of Tell Me Lies

• Discovering the Series Finale: Jackson reveals he (and the rest of the cast) only recently learned this would be the series, not season, finale ([07:03]).
  • "I felt really, really sad initially, even though I knew creatively that's what was supposed to happen … It's a mixed bag." (Jackson, [07:40])
• Cast as Family: Four years turned the cast into a family, making the end feel like both a personal and professional loss ([08:06]).

2. Stephen DeMarco’s Character & Jackson’s Approach

• Creating a Sociopath:
  • At first, playing Stephen was fun and exploratory, but the writers ramped up his toxicity as the show continued. (Jackson, [02:59])
  • "He turned into this, like, absolute garbage fire of a guy … he's the worst." ([02:59])
• Physicality of Acting: Jackson blended his own "bad posture" and isms with character traits—like intense eye contact—to create Stephen’s unnerving vibe ([04:44]-[05:29]).
  • "Half are mine, half are invented … he's very physical. He moves kind of like that … calculating and still." ([04:59])
• Detachment Over Time: Watching himself became emotionally draining, leading Jackson to detach more from Stephen in later seasons ([06:46], [07:03]).
  • "It's very emotional to watch a lot of yourself. It kind of sucks." ([06:31])

3. The Finale & Its Reception

• Unexpected Ending: Jackson laughed when reading the finale script, noting the dark irony of Stephen "winning" in the end ([09:19]):
  • "He wins. That's so funny. That's so cosmically funny … it's a big tragic comedy at the end." ([09:19])
  • “A lot of bad people win.” (Jackson, [10:33])
• Fan Expectations:
  • The online fandom expected Stephen to get his comeuppance, but the show subverted expectations ([09:39]).
• Iconic Wedding Scene:
  • Jackson shot the crucial finale scenes while sick with the flu, adding a layer of chaos to the late-night shoot ([10:51]).

4. The "Steven" Experience: In-Character Toxic Advice

• Advice as Stephen: Audiences submitted dilemmas for Jackson to answer as Stephen ([13:54]):
  • "Use it when you have to. You weaponize it … reveal that you know about his dating profile at the moment of climax." (as Stephen, [14:32])
  • "Hold information, put it on your computer, and then use it at a horrible [moment]." (as Stephen, [15:30])
• Why Stephen Acts This Way: When asked about Stephen giving back the tape to Lucy, Jackson suggests, “He was bored … he's done.” ([15:49])

5. Real-Life Relationship with Grace Van Patten

• Quirky Beginnings: Grace had the role first; Jackson felt pressure and "actor energy" during their initial meeting ([21:07]-[21:23]).
• Who Made the First Move? Jackson waited for Grace to initiate romantically, subconsciously worried about overstepping given the power dynamic ([24:19]-[25:09]).
  • "She kind of had to make the first move. ... She was my boss."
• “Grace is my daddy.” Hilarious catchphrase—“She’s my daddy, Grace is my daddy” becomes a running joke ([25:32]-[25:53]).
• Tattoos as Commitment: Jackson let Grace tattoo him several times early in the relationship, describing himself as impulsive and riding on adrenaline ([26:14]-[26:50]).

6. Personal Growth and Vulnerability

• Fear and Relationships: Jackson repeatedly references starting relationships with fear and working to find comfort and trust ([27:33]-[28:37]).
  • "I just grew up in fear … It gets better and better over the last ten years." ([27:40])
• Healthy Dependence: Emphasizes the need for balanced dependence and maintaining individuality in relationships ([28:53]-[29:42]).
  • "It’s a discipline for me to round out my life ... so that you don’t put too much pressure on a relationship."
• Impact of Divorce: Being a child of divorce led to instability, abandonment issues, and a tendency to create patterns Jackson now recognizes ([30:12]-[31:22]).
  • “Because we therapy now, it’s all … it’s too much. … Figure yourself out and then let it go.” ([31:02])
• Internalizing Past Trauma: "You can’t weaponize your past and use that in your relationships … people won’t stick if you’re doing that." ([32:07])
• Abandonment & Clinging: He describes clinging to early relationships for stability, fearing being left ([33:33]-[34:10]).

7. Honest Reflections on Family

• Stepmoms & Stepdads: Jackson found step-family dynamics complicated and admits giving his stepmoms a hard time as a child ([34:18]-[35:52]).
• Empathy in Adulthood: He’s developed empathy for the adults in his life and now recognizes the difficulties they faced ([36:13]).
  • "I just had this conversation with my stepdad… That must be so hard." ([36:13])
• Bonding with His Dad via Music & Booze: His father’s musical talent and troubled coping mechanisms (drinking, instability) left a complex legacy ([36:42], [38:44]).
  • "I drank a lot with him... just a lot of drinking and smoking with dad." ([37:15]-[38:33])
• Loss and Growth: Jackson is open about wishing he’d known his dad better before he died, and the painful transition from idolizing a parent to seeing flaws ([39:10]-[40:06]).

8. Addiction, Coping Mechanisms, and Healing

• Addiction as Avoidance: Jackson articulates how addiction and behaviors can be ways to avoid underlying fear and pain ([45:54]-[48:18]).
  • “Fear is like the core, and anger is a symptom ... But it starts with that—I'm not enough, I won’t be enough.” ([47:34])
• Facing Consequences & Self-Knowledge: Recognizing when his actions sabotaged his relationships and success pushed him to change ([48:18]-[49:55]).
  • "If you're missing your audition, if you're shitty on the phone, if you're reacting poorly ... you just gotta focus on it."
• Sobriety and Realization: Sobriety brought clarity, but also revealed deeper, unmasked insecurities and core wounds ([52:59]-[53:55]).
  • "All I want is to be like, like a worker among workers ... I want life to be calm and serene." ([54:00])
• Emerging from the Darkness: He now feels more connected, able to care for others, and hopeful ([54:00]-[54:57]).
  • "I genuinely give a shit about how someone else is doing ... That's the best thing to come out of it." ([54:00])

9. Rapid Fire & Light-Hearted Questions

• Audition Fails: “All of them. So many of them. I’ve got like 150 of them.” (Jackson, [58:04])
• Most Insufferable Character in Tell Me Lies: “Evan. ... I think he's actually bad news. ... [And] The teacher Oliver.” ([58:15]-[58:40])
• Pettiest Breakup Act: Disintegrating (not just deleting) his own Instagram so he wouldn’t have to see ex-related content ([58:45]-[59:14]).
• Best Gift Given to Grace: Accidentally gave her a Cartier wedding ring as a regular gift ([59:28]-[59:57]).
• Love Languages: Gives acts of service, wants to receive words of affirmation ([60:12]).
• First Paycheck Splurge: Bought a Dodge Durango with a Hemi; chose it because it’s loud and has “power”— a nod to his late dad ([60:47]-[61:29]).
• What’s Next: Filmed a project after Tell Me Lies with a very different, more naturalistic character ([61:59]-[62:17]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "He turned into this, like, absolute garbage fire of a guy ... he's the worst."
  — Jackson White on Stephen DeMarco ([02:59])

• "He wins. That's so funny. That's so cosmically funny ... it's a big tragic comedy at the end."
  — Jackson White about the series finale ([09:19])

• "You weaponize it ... wait until you're making love, and at the moment of climax, reveal that you know about his dating profile."
  — Jackson as Stephen DeMarco, giving "advice" ([14:32])

• "Grace is my daddy."
  — Jackson White ([25:33])

• "I just grew up in fear. ... I absolutely go into things on the defense thinking that it's not going to work out."
  — Jackson White ([27:40])

• "All I want is to be ... a worker among workers. I want life to be calm and serene."
  — Jackson White ([54:00])

• "If you’re taking it out in your relationship, you’re gonna hurt somebody. If you’re taking it out with substances, you’re gonna hurt yourself."
  — Jackson White ([52:25])

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Key Timestamps

• [02:59] Creating the complexity of Stephen DeMarco
• [07:03] Learning the show was ending for good
• [09:19] Laughing at the series finale's twist ending
• [13:54] Audience Q&A: "Advice from Stephen"
• [21:07] Meeting and first impressions with Grace Van Patten
• [27:33] Processing fear and relationships
• [31:02] Therapy, growing out of childhood patterns
• [37:15] Musical family and bonding through substance use with his dad
• [47:34] Fear as a root emotion/facing unhealthy coping mechanisms
• [52:59] Benefits and challenges of sobriety
• [58:04] Rapid fire questions begin

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Tone & Takeaway

The episode is classic Call Her Daddy—equal parts vulnerable, irreverent, and insightful. Jackson White is candid about everything from the craft of inhabiting 'the worst guy on TV,' to the messy realities of addiction, love, and healing. His willingness to "get real" makes for a cathartic and sometimes darkly funny ride, whether discussing onscreen toxicity, awkward relationship beginnings, or the everyday work of self-improvement.

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For listeners:
Whether you're a Tell Me Lies fan, relationship drama enthusiast, or interested in honest mental health conversations, this episode offers an actor's vulnerable inside view—and plenty of humor and warmth.

Transcript

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[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

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[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

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[Alex Cooper]

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[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

What is up Daddy gang?

[Alex Cooper]

It is your founding father, Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy Jackson White.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Welcome to Caller Daddy.

[Jackson White]

Thank you.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

How are you doing?

[Jackson White]

I'm doing as if we haven't like like asked that question like nine times before we started this.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Yeah, yeah. We've been like hanging out for a second before we started recording.

[Jackson White]

Guys, was I the most high maintenance?

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

You're not high maintenance. No, no, no. I'm just dealing with a lot right now emotionally because I just watched the finale last night.

[Jackson White]

Oh, that kind of.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

And so like I'm. I'm just trying to process like you as you and all the girls came.

[Alex Cooper]

Up and they're like, oh, he's like really charming.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

And he's like really nice. And then like watching Stephen last night.

[Jackson White]

I know.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

And so it's like a little bit of a mind to be sitting here with Stephen DeMarco being like, should I be scared? Like what's the vibe? Do people come up to you on the street and call you Steven or Jackson?

[Jackson White]

They. All the time. It's mostly Steven.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

How do you feel about it?

[Jackson White]

I'm excited for it to be. Not to get to the phase where it's your name. It's a great honor to be a great character, but I'm super stoked for my own name to be said. But now I'm Ste.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Yeah, Jackson.

[Jackson White]

Represent one day, but it's cool. I'm Stephen. Now I'm Steven.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

When I think about Steven, I feel like he's kind of the antithesis of the America sweetheart, you know? Can you kind of just try to explain to us what it was like playing a literal sociopath? Like, how did you get into that character?

[Jackson White]

Yeah, that's a great question. I mean, it started. It started as it always just very simply. You just try and be truthful and enjoy the character and learn him. And then he turned into this, like, absolute garbage fire of a guy. But at the beginning, it was really fun. It was like. It was like, why does he do what he does? And he was a complicated guy in a complicated relationship, and it was really fun. And then the writers just turned him into a. He's. You know, he's the worst.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

He's like one. One step behind, like a serial killer.

[Jackson White]

That's what I've heard.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

He's right there.

[Jackson White]

He's baby serial killer.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Yeah, he is. I feel like it's funny to watch online. A lot of people have talked about how there are these, like, mannerisms and the posture and the way he walks and the hands in the pockets. Like, is that something that you also do in your normal life, or did you create that for this character so he would.

[Jackson White]

It's both. Like, there's a.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Do you have good posture?

[Jackson White]

Are you. Are you scared of me?

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

I'm not scared of you. I'm just. It's a rewiring of the brain.

[Jackson White]

Yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Because I just binged it.

[Jackson White]

Yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

So I've been watching you, by the way.

[Jackson White]

I. I do have bad posture, but it's not like I have. I'm. I'm a drummer.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay.

[Jackson White]

And my whole life I was like this.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

And then so my back got like the hunchback.

[Jackson White]

Yeah. But I'm working on you. You go. You. You work on it. I didn't go to, like, theater school and learn the. The breath in the back. I didn't do that, but I'm working on it.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

So what about the eye contact thing? Did you work on that for Steven? You kind of, like, don't blink.

[Jackson White]

Oh, that's. Yeah, there's. There's. There's isms in there. That. That.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

That.

[Jackson White]

They're fun.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

How do you prep for that? Do you, like, look at yourself? In the mirror and do that?

[Jackson White]

No, that'd be crazy.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Or would it be, like, amazing?

[Jackson White]

That'd be nuts. I don't know. He's. He's. He has a lot of things. Half are mine, half are invented. I don't know. It's kind of a combo of both. But he's very physical. Like, he's definitely a different physical. He's a different walk. He has a different thing. He's very, like, calculating and still. And he moves kind of like that. Yes, except when he's, like, angry, and then he'll walk different. There's, like, a lot of stuff that I tried to, like, play with.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

We love him.

[Jackson White]

He's a shark. He's a. Do we. I don't think so. No.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

I'm just trying to, like.

[Jackson White]

You're just trying to, like, make me feel better. It don't. It don't play gate.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

I'm just thinking, like, it's a lot.

[Jackson White]

He. He's a. He's a. Yeah. It's hard to like that guy.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

I read that you and. I don't know if you still do this, but you used to watch every episode of Tell Me Lies, like, four times. You could go from, like, hating to then loving your performance. Did you do that for this season?

[Jackson White]

Nope.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Why?

[Jackson White]

Because it's got. It's gone too far.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay.

[Jackson White]

I can't. I. I don't want to do that anymore. It hurts. It's very fun to. To study the tape. I like to learn from that. But then it becomes masochistic, and you're like. It just gets. It's not healthy.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Did you watch season three?

[Jackson White]

Briefly?

[Alex Cooper]

Briefly?

[Jackson White]

Yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

I don't know what that means. What is briefly?

[Jackson White]

Like, I'll do. It's like, I. I watched it once, okay. With a. With a far lens. With, like, a detached lens.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

You weren't, like, directing yourself?

[Jackson White]

No.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Like, why did you do that? What did you do?

[Jackson White]

But it. No, but it creates a. It's very emotional to watch a lot of yourself. It kind of sucks. Do you watch your own?

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Yeah, but I've been now doing this for a while. Like, in the beginning days, it was harder. Yeah, but it's not fun.

[Jackson White]

I think that happened with Steven, where I detached him unintentionally as it went on. I think I tried to bring myself into him. But then as he became worse and worse, I was like, yeah, he's a character. I'll make him be a character. And then I could.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Then you can play with it more and detach. I'm thinking about it. It being Wednesday, everyone just found out that this was the series finale, not the season finale. And none of us had any idea that this was the end of Tell Me Lies. How are you feeling? And how did you find out really recently?

[Jackson White]

A few days ago, actually.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

And who told you so?

[Jackson White]

Grace actually told me. And we were both in the airport. We were both in the airport. In separate parts of the airport. We're in different terminals. Different terminals.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

So far away.

[Jackson White]

Two terminals away. It's a new love story. And I felt really, really sad initially, even though I knew creatively that's what was supposed to happen. That's what the intention always was. You know, it's. And it's a very perfect. We'll get into that.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

We're gonna get into it. If it was a perfect ending, I do think it was.

[Jackson White]

I think it's hilarious. But it. But it was very sad. I was sad and I. And. Cause it's like you're. You made a family. The cast was like a family. And then you. You also like lost a job. You didn't. But it also feels like a little bit like that. And it's been four years putting yourself into something. So it was like mixed bag.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

So did you guys have like a conversation with your castmates? Like, are you guys gonna have like a going away party?

[Jackson White]

Yeah, I mean, I wish. I hope. Cause we're so close and everyone I think is emotional about though. I don't know. You just can't plan for these things.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay, let's talk about the finale.

[Jackson White]

Okay.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

I sat down, I had snacks. I was locked in.

[Jackson White]

Yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

I was like, how are they going to wrap this thing up?

[Jackson White]

Yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

In this there's so many questions like, what's going to happen with Pippa and Bri and Wrigley and you and why are you marrying Lydia? And what that like, there's so many questions. And then she did manage to wrap the entire thing up in the finale. How did you feel about it when you were filming it? And then when you got to watch it.

[Jackson White]

I laughed hysterically when I read it. We all did. Because it was like, oh, he. He wins. That's so funny. That's so cosmically funny. I am sorry. I think it's a big tragic comedy at the end.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

It's so fucking crazy.

[Jackson White]

Yeah. I hope everyone laughs.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

No, no, no. You don't understand. Did you. Do you like look online when talking about the series at all? Because everyone said anymore, okay. The only way that you. It would get be a justifiable ending. Everyone was like, Steven needs to die, right? He needs to die. And then you like kind of won.

[Jackson White]

So good. That's so funny. Not, not even like strictly, oh, my character. Like, that's hilarious.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

It's crazy.

[Jackson White]

Like you have the guy who's the, the object of the, of the torment or the, or the, the whatever, the aggressor. And then it's like very. It's not realistic because it's television, but it's a new thing. I've never seen that done before.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Well, it's also really realistic of like this sometimes is how it fucking goes.

[Jackson White]

Yeah, like probably not to that extent.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

No, hopefully not.

[Jackson White]

Hopefully not. But that's kind of how it goes. Like a lot of. A lot of. A lot of bad people win.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

How did it feel filming the wedding scene? That whole blow up and then you taking the mic at 3am and being like, one more thing, ladies and gentlemen.

[Jackson White]

It was cool. Well, it was 3:00am it was like 4:00am we were doing that all night. And I had the flu. I had like 103ft. I had a fever. I was like sweating and sore throat and they like juiced me up and I went out there and. And just blacked out and I just. That was crazy. It's crazy that that happened on that day.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Who do you think made out the best in the show by the end?

[Jackson White]

You want to say it together? One, two, three. Steven. Like mother.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

I know. Cuz I was like, okay, technically Diana. You're like Diana. Oh yeah, they, they got, she got away. But on the Richter scale of like, who did the worst that then got out the best? Like, yeah, he got rejected now from Yale and they like got rid of him. But you got to do another one on Lucy at the very end. That was a mind the gas station moment. I was like, literally go yourself.

[Jackson White]

I know, I know, it's twisted.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

And then you're the one holding the mic like, like literally like bang, bang, bang, bang, bang to every single person.

[Jackson White]

He just ices everyone in the room smoked him. I had fun.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

I don't know how I feel about it.

[Jackson White]

Do you. Are you like. Yeah. Like what, what is the response to something like that?

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

I think that it, weirdly as I've had time to process it now I'm finding that at first I couldn't decide if I wanted it to end where you and Lucy just like left in the car together.

[Jackson White]

You thought that. Did you think that that's where it was going to end?

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

I thought it was going to end there because I was like, oh. And he's going to fuck her over again. But then Megan made the decision. No, let me have you watch one more time. Him fuck her over again.

[Jackson White]

That's the perfect ending to this show.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Because why am I so fucked up that I low key wanted you guys to end up together?

[Jackson White]

Right, Right. That's the whole thing.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

You're disgusting. You murdered someone.

[Jackson White]

I know. And that's the whole. That's the whole joke. And then. And then it's a perfect ending. Like this will never end.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay. Can you indulge me for a second?

[Jackson White]

Yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

So I think to your credit, you brought to life a character that millions of people are frustrated by. They hate. They've found some moments where they've, like, loved you or liked you, and then they go back to hating you and being disgusted. And now the character we're done with. But I thought today we could really finish it off strong and you can get into character one last time.

[Jackson White]

Get into character. Oh, shit.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Get your posture ready.

[Jackson White]

Darn it. Yeah, right. Just my shitty posture. All right, get.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

You're going to get into character as Steven, and you are going. I'm going to give you scenarios from my audience, and I want you to give advice as if you are still Stephen speaking. So, Stephen, welcome to Call Our daddy. Okay. Oh, God, look at him getting into character.

[Jackson White]

Okay, I'm so. I'm going to come back and I'm going to answer your questions now. I'm Stephen. Okay? All right. I'm. I'm Stephen now. I'll answer whatever you want. Hey, how you doing?

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Hi. Can you adjust the microphone to be closer to you?

[Jackson White]

I think it's fine where it is. Sure that will make you more comfortable.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

That'll make me really comfortable. Thanks. This is my show.

[Jackson White]

Sure.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay. Stephen. Someone wrote in and said, I went through my boyfriend's phone last night and saw he has an active dating profile. Should I tell him I know? What do I do? Steven?

[Jackson White]

No. Hold that in. Hold that in for a long time. Use it when you have to. You weaponize it. Wait until you're in a situation where he is in front of his parents and reveal it and put it on a flash drive. Wait until you're making love, and at the moment of climax, reveal that you know about his dating profile.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay, Steven. Sorry, too far. This is great. Oh, this is great. Okay, next one.

[Jackson White]

Okay.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

This is kind of really relatable to Steven.

[Jackson White]

Okay.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

My boyfriend and I keep getting into massive arguments, but he never takes accountability for his actions. How can we move forward if he will never own up to the things that he's done.

[Jackson White]

Find the people around him he holds dear. Learn his secrets.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

It's constantly like, same thing.

[Jackson White]

Hold information, put it on your computer, and then use it at a horrible. I think that's. That's what he does.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Why do you think that he gave Lucy back the tape?

[Jackson White]

Maybe he was exhausted. He was like, I don't want to do.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

He's like, I'm going to Yale.

[Jackson White]

Yeah, he's bored.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Yeah, that's probably what it was. He was bored.

[Jackson White]

Yeah, he's bored.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

He was like, you look pathetic. Yeah, I tortured you enough.

[Jackson White]

Yeah, he's done.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Now I need to find another thing to torture you over.

[Jackson White]

It was over.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay, we're moving on.

[Alex Cooper]

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[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

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[Alex Cooper]

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[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

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[Alex Cooper]

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[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

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[Alex Cooper]

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[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

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[Alex Cooper]

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[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

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[Alex Cooper]

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[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

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[Alex Cooper]

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[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

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[Alex Cooper]

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[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

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[Alex Cooper]

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[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

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[Alex Cooper]

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[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

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[Jackson White]

Okay, let's talk about Grace.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Let's talk about my girl.

[Jackson White]

That. That's easy for me.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay?

[Jackson White]

That's. I can relax.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Well, when Grace came on here, she talked to me about how she kind of has this thing for like kind of crazy pajamas. And after she then sent me the video of her in the said crazy pajamas.

[Jackson White]

Which video? Which vid you get?

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

You took the video and it's her. She kind of looks like she's in. It's like a.

[Jackson White]

This is the one with the black feathers.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Oh no, not that one. I didn't get that one. We didn't get that one. It was more of like a jester striped situation.

[Jackson White]

Striped situation.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

And I was wondering have you like. Did you wear anything lucky last night to bed to prepare for this?

[Jackson White]

Did I wear anything lucky last night to bed?

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Such a great.

[Jackson White]

For this interview more people would ask me that. I didn't wear anything lucky.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay.

[Jackson White]

I wore my normal bed wear.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay. What do you wear?

[Jackson White]

Underwear. And like I like a. A tank top when I sleep.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay.

[Jackson White]

Just a little like not the full T shirt thing and not. Or I'll rip it off and go. Just underwear. Just underwear.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

And I just want to clarify like I hope I wasn't asking you. I wouldn't have asked.

[Jackson White]

I know.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Unless your girlfriend told me. Cuz I'm picturing Grace wearing her full jester outfit and then you in normal.

[Jackson White]

She's in a. Well, she wears the cap with the. With the bell. Like Scrooge.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Yep. She looks like Scrooge with the elf feet.

[Jackson White]

Yep. With the feet and she's grumpy and she's sitting there with it over her breast and then I'm in nothing and. And that's how we sleep and it works.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

I love that.

[Jackson White]

It's great.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay, so that you wore like a normal outfit to bed last night. I love that.

[Jackson White]

Yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

These are the hard hitting facts that we needed to know on Caller Daddy, when I got to interview her a few months ago, loved her. She's lovely. She told me about how you guys met and how you fell in love, but she said that you were giving off very, very serious actor energy on the initial video call where you guys met. How do you remember that going?

[Jackson White]

Well, when you're nervous, you go into a mode course. So when you're on like a big. She had the job. I didn't have the job. So I was in like a mode. I was in like a hello, nice to meet you, and we do a mode. It wasn't serious, but it was like.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Trying to get the job.

[Jackson White]

Yeah. And then I remember what happened. She always trips up on this. She had the job, I didn't have the job. This is a very interesting conversation on power. And she said, do you need anything from me? Which is a very like actory question, not to throw back on her, but that's very like, do you need anything from me? Performance wise? And then I think I said, no, you're doing great. No, you're doing great. Which, if you don't know me, I can sound very condescending sometimes, but I do, I mean it genuinely. I can sound very like, like, good job.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Right? You're like, horrible job. You're like, no, really, good job.

[Jackson White]

You know what I mean? When someone's like, hey, you're doing great.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Right.

[Jackson White]

And so I think I probably sounded like a dick, but I really meant it. She was like, can I do anything? I'm like, no, you're great.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay. So then you left that. And did you feel any vibes?

[Jackson White]

Romantic vibes? No, we were pretty. We were. We were walled up. We were walled up. She was, yeah, she. From the very initial time, we were both like, in relationships, we were like, it was not like that. I think it was. It wasn't until everyone was open and we might do this job together. That's when we started, you know.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

What do you remember about the first time you started to have like, oh, my God, wait, could I have romantic feelings for this person?

[Jackson White]

When she texted me, what did she text you? Like, hey, like, what's up? I was like, I was. I was in. I was in Canada for some reason. And she said it was like, you know, hey, come to New York. She didn't say, like, come to New York, but she was like, what are you doing? I'm doing this for the holiday. She was like, oh. I was like, I might come to New York. And she was like something like, cool and sexy, where she was like, you should, like. You should, like, with a. You should do it or something like that.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

And you guys were already filming Tell Me Lies.

[Jackson White]

No, no, no, no. I. I still hadn't had the job. It took me eight months to get this job. I had to convince so many people to let me do this job. It was very funny.

[Alex Cooper]

What do you think?

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Because you're so good at the role.

[Jackson White]

Well, thanks. No, no. They just had to comb the earth, I guess, to find this. It's a very complicated guy, and there was, like, a lot of dudes who did it. Whatever. Yeah, whatever.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jackson White]

And then she had the job. I didn't have the job. And then I went to New York and we kind of, like, talked about all the reasons why we shouldn't do it because I don't have the job yet. And then.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay, wait. I remember, though, you said that you were dying to make the first move but didn't have the courage to go through with it. What was going on? What do you remember feeling in that moment?

[Jackson White]

Just like, ripping out of your chest kind of thing. You know, that thing.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

And when she finally went in for the kiss.

[Jackson White]

Maybe that's a power thing. Like, I didn't want to. Sorry to interrupt.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

No, this is good.

[Jackson White]

I didn't want to make a move because I didn't have the. That's not really it, but I can totally be a people pleaser. I can totally think. I'm overstepping. Maybe I wanted to not step on anyone's toes.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

What do you mean?

[Jackson White]

Well, like. Like, what if I didn't have the role and then I kissed her and then she was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Now you're definitely not getting the role. You know what I mean?

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Right, right.

[Jackson White]

Like, what if I overstepped?

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

So she kind of had to make the first move? And.

[Jackson White]

Yeah, I was like. And that's not. These thoughts aren't going through my head, but I'm definitely.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Wait, we're reflecting.

[Jackson White]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

That's interesting.

[Jackson White]

You're probably like, some. Subconsciously. I probably, like, tread lightly. Yeah. You like her, but don't.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Right. Because it was a work dynamic also.

[Jackson White]

Yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

And that's how it first started. So it's like, you kind of gotta.

[Jackson White]

She was my boss.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

She was your boss.

[Jackson White]

She was my daddy.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Is she still your daddy?

[Jackson White]

She was my. She's my daddy. Grace is my daddy.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

I love that for Grace so much. Honestly, you're like, I can't believe I just said that.

[Jackson White]

Yeah, that's gonna. I know where that. That's gonna be on your thing.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Just that it's gonna be. That's the whole promo.

[Jackson White]

Yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Grace is my daddy.

[Jackson White]

I know.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

It's perfect.

[Jackson White]

I know what you want.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Yeah. Just keep giving it. You're doing great. Okay. Is it true that you let Grace give you multiple tattoos early on in the relationship?

[Jackson White]

Yes.

[Alex Cooper]

How?

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Like what tattoos and how many?

[Jackson White]

1, 2, 3, 4.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Now walk me through that thought process of, like, allowing someone really early on in dating to like, fully tattoo your bod. Were you nervous? Like, what if it ends?

[Jackson White]

Have you ever done that?

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Nope.

[Jackson White]

Okay. I just.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

You're done it, right? I'm like, nope.

[Jackson White]

Yeah. You let someone fucking put a needle in your head.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

No.

[Jackson White]

No. Okay. I don't think. You don't think about the. You don't think about that? I don't think about a lot of that. I'm very impulsive. But that was also hilarious. I like, I liked it. I liked that. Yeah. I don't know. You're on the adrenaline of the courtship phase, plus, like, pain, and I was down. That was cool.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

How do you think that your guys relationship has evolved over the course of the show?

[Jackson White]

It's just gotten more adult. I don't know. It's more like, you don't think this. The ceiling's gonna cave in? You know what I mean? You're not like, I don't know. You start with a lot of fear in any relationship and then you kind of get comfortable and I think we've just grown up.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Would you say you start with a lot of fear in the beginning of relationships or.

[Jackson White]

Maybe I do.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

I was gonna say. What do you mean by that?

[Jackson White]

I think normal people don't as much. I'm in a lot of fear.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Why?

[Jackson White]

Because I just grew up in fear. I grew up in a lot of inconsistency, so I didn't know what was going on a lot of the time. And so I come at situations from a fearful place sometimes. I'm getting better. It gets better and better over the last 10 years. But I absolutely go into things on the defense thinking that it's not going to work out. That's how I approach most things.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

That kind of relates to you. Said recently in an interview that it's higher stakes to stay together for me than to break up.

[Jackson White]

It's definitely more work in. Higher stakes to be with somebody.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Yeah.

[Jackson White]

It's. It's way less pressure to, To. Not more painful, but you have to, like, you have to want to be with somebody very, very hard, right?

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Yes. Like, do you. Would you say if, when you look back at your past, were you more comfortable and relaxed being single because you're on your own and you're just dependent on yourself, or do you like being kind of dependent in a relationship?

[Jackson White]

I think dependence the wrong word. I think it's important to not be fully dependent. You can be dependent for certain things. Like, I like to be dependent for things that she does better that I don't do. Like, she's better at so many things. And it's nice to have a partner in that, to do things that you don't do. But the, The. The dependent part gets tricky when you're like, stop seeing friends or what? You know what I mean? That's when you have to start. And that's a. That's an. That's a discipline. That's an effort, I find, or maybe that's just where I come from, but it's a discipline for me to round out my life. Like, it's a pie. And you have to. Everything has to be a piece of. And I have to consciously go to those other pieces so that you don't put too much pressure on a relationship.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Let's go back. Because you just mentioned, like, you going into a relationship, you're like, it starts in fear, and then it gets comfortable, which I don't think is like a completely abnormal statement. Like, I don't think that's not what people feel. I think maybe fear is, like, a pretty strong word to use. I think maybe some people are more like, oh, it's a little like, you don't know what's going to happen. And it's, like, exciting, but it's a little like, up in the air and you're kind of like, excited to see what's to come. And then eventually you get comfortable. You're like, it's fudgeing.

[Alex Cooper]

Terrifying.

[Jackson White]

Yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Which obviously relates to your childhood growing up. Your parents got divorced when you were really young.

[Jackson White]

Yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Your dad remarried three times. Four times.

[Alex Cooper]

Three.

[Jackson White]

Three, I think. Three.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

How do you think watching your parents different relationships ultimately impacted your perception of love and commitment?

[Jackson White]

Child of divorce conversation. Like, are you.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

I'm not, but I have interviewed a lot of people that are. And I also kind of feel like everyone's got their.

[Jackson White]

It's all.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

It's all.

[Jackson White]

It's all weird.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

It's so weird.

[Jackson White]

It's all weird. And now it's on us to, to say, okay, cool, I, I unpacked it. I figured it out. Goodbye. That's not me. Yes, that's, that's the new. That is the thing.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Yes.

[Jackson White]

Because we therapy now, it's all, it's like, it's, it's too much. Yes. Like figure yourself out and then let it go.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Before you figured yourself out, did you have any patterns that you now can look back and be like, oh, that's just because of like what I was raised seeing that I thought was normal.

[Jackson White]

Yeah, well, you, yeah, you, you. I think everyone is like inherently a little narcissistic when you're coming up. That's just what it is. You're like, when you're a teenager, you're like, oh my God. And you go to college. That's what these characters all are. They're. They're just self involved. And you, you just, you start not making yourself the victim because you, you learn that, that there are consequences or that no one's coming to the rescue and that you can't just make it about yourself and you can't weaponize your, your past and use that in your relationships with your friends because people won't stay anymore. They won't, they won't stick. They don't want to hang out with you if you're, if you're, if you're doing that.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

But it is so fucked up because it takes you, as we all have done, like repeatedly doing something. Whether it's a pattern, whether it's like jealousy or abandonment wounds or being pulled back and kind of being like, not emotionally available, whatever it is that you bring. And then slowly you get the note enough from partners that you've been that you're like, okay, I actually have to look at myself totally. And I need to address this.

[Jackson White]

Or you don't take the note and you're out here still just ripping.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

What do you think one of your notes has been?

[Jackson White]

It's a great question. I'm. I'm. I mean, I'm. Yeah, I gotta ban him. And I don't know, I got stuff like I'm, I'm afraid of. I'm afraid. It's fear. It's all fear. So I'm like, afraid of. I've been afraid of men a lot of the time that like, I've been afraid of, like, male relationships I've had to work on because I just had it. I had a more complicated relationship with men than I did with women. I was, I was kind of Raised with my mom, my sister, so. So I've had to work on. On that in relationships. I can. It's what I was explaining you're supposed to do is, like, divide your time. I. I can totally not do that and put too much pressure on a relationship. That's the big note.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Yeah. I mean, I think that's really relatable, too, especially if you have that instability growing up, and then you get to a point where you're like, oh, my God, I found love. I found my person. Like, I found this person that loves me, and I love them.

[Jackson White]

And.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

And then, of course, you don't want that to end because you're seeing real love, and you have it right there, and it's accessible.

[Jackson White]

Yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

You're like, I don't want to lose this. And then sometimes you hang on to something because you're like. Even though subconsciously, you know, it's not maybe perfect, you're like. But it's also someone that, like, loves you.

[Jackson White]

Yes.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

And so you're like, should I just stay because it's something stable, or should I go because I know it's not right? And a lot of times with abandonment wounds, you're like, I'm just gonna stay, or you leave first so that they don't abandon you.

[Jackson White]

You get the jump on it. That's. That's definitely real, too.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

How did you feel growing up about your stepmoms? Because that's a lot.

[Jackson White]

So funny. The stepmom conversation is so funny. I didn't know him that well. I mean, my dad. My dad lived in. In Franklin in Tennessee.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay.

[Jackson White]

My mom lived here, and I would spend the summers and whatnot with him or. Or weeks at a time, whatever breaks. I'd go out there because I loved it out there. And I would hang out with these new. These new mamas, and they were cool. You know, Shout out to Deborah. You know, I didn't. I didn't know him that well, but I was like, deborah, what's up, Debbie? But I didn't. I don't know. I. I kind of, like. I kind of. I was a kid. I think you have a. You have a gut reaction to somebody who's replacing your parent. Like, I think I gave her a hard time, and I was, like, a child, but I think I, like, you know, Deborah grabbed my arm too hard. But I think she was probably a. A wonderful person.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Yeah.

[Jackson White]

And yet I was, like, very adverse to. To change. And. And same with my. My stepdad. My mom remarried, and, like, we've always had a two Rams locking horns, just because it goes against your biology. But. But it's. They're also filling a very difficult role. I could not imagine marrying somebody with kids and just being like, these are from a complicated up place, but I'm gonna take care of them. That's weird. So.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Right. It's like, when you get older, you then can have empathy for both dynamics because you're, like, now you're getting closer to the point where you can picture potentially being in more of, like, a fatherly role, where when you were younger, as a kid, you're like, oh, my.

[Alex Cooper]

God, this person's gonna replace my dad.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Or replace my mom. And now you're like, whoa, that was a lot to walk into. Doesn't mean they were perfect.

[Jackson White]

I just had this conversation with my, with my stepdad where I was like, I just crystallized recently of like, oh, dude, that must be so hard. I, That's. I couldn't imagine.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

You had mentioned kind of like craving the stability of a family unit your entire life when things feel shaky.

[Jackson White]

Yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Where do you find or where did you find that safety?

[Jackson White]

In the, in the wrong places and then in the right places, like, you, you copy your parents. Like, my dad was. My dad was a very complicated, amazing person. He was, like, he was an incredible drummer, and music was my whole life, and my mom is an incredible singer, and we grew up playing so much music, and I learned all about music, and I've been playing drums since I was a baby, and it's what I love to do. And I, And I took all those things from him. I also took his, like, work ethic. Like, he, he was a. He was a tour manager. He was a drummer, he ran. He's. He was a very disciplined guy. And I, I, I have so much of that, and I apply that to whatever I, I can. But then the, the flip side of that was, you know, he was on these big tours, and, you know, he'd get off these tours and the lights would be off, and it'd be quiet for months on end. And he came from an extremely hostile upbringing, and he didn't have any tools to cope with it, not like we do in our time. And so, yeah, there's a lot of drinking and all that's under that umbrella. And. And I, you know, I drank a lot with him, and, you know, just a lot of drinking and smoking with dad. And so I, I totally, like, grew up with an interesting. With a skewed perspective on all that. And, and, you know, if I wasn't careful, I would Let that run my, my life. Especially when you start doing that when.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

You'Re young and when you have your parent being there with you when you're kind of doing that. And it's almost like a bonding thing.

[Jackson White]

Yeah. Oh yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

You're young and he's back off the road and you're like, oh my God, let's sit and let's drink and let's talk.

[Jackson White]

That was it.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

And that's kind of.

[Jackson White]

But you're like a 12 year old kid.

[Alex Cooper]

Right?

[Jackson White]

So that's, that's where it gets tricky.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

And did you ever feel like. Because it seems like you weren't always with him. It was like you would like visit and then you would leave. Like, did you feel like you really got to know him enough or do you like wish that you could have spent more time with him?

[Jackson White]

Yeah, totally. I wish I spent more time with him. This is, this is what it is though. We didn't talk for long, long periods of time just because. Whatever, life. But, but, but I got to, I got to be with him for, for the important times. But you have like an idea of your parent. Maybe it's like girls and their mothers or boys and their fathers, but you, you, they're like superheroes. And then you get to the age where you're like, oh, if that's Superman, we're, we're, you know, like, oh no. And that happened, that switch happened in the midst of all that chaos and, and, and, and it took me, you know, made us drift apart and then, and then we came together when we were both adults.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Yeah, I know your dad passed away a little bit ago. I'm so sorry.

[Jackson White]

No, yeah, thanks.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

How do you think your perspective also has kind of changed on like your parents dynamic and what they were able to provide for you together even though they were separated as time has evolved. Like do you hold resentment? Do you understand how they, what they did?

[Jackson White]

Yeah, I do. Not anymore. I had resentment for a long time and going back to that like we, that's what you weaponize. You, you weaponize resentment. You're like, oh, this person me up. So I'm gonna. You up hurt people. Hurt people. But not anymore. It's all love. Yeah, it's all, it's all good now. I took, I took a lot, I took a lot from my mom and a lot from my dad.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Let's talk about your mom because obviously you got to work with her on Tell Me Lies, which I remember I was a fan of her from Sons of Anarchy. I loved that show.

[Jackson White]

Great show.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

How old were you when that was being made?

[Jackson White]

Like fifth grade, sixth grade. I was young. Yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

And your stepdad and your mom were both.

[Jackson White]

Yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Working on that show. Interesting.

[Jackson White]

So maybe I saw that have. You know. Yeah. Parents working together was a thing, you know, Interesting. You know.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Did you ever watch the show?

[Jackson White]

I've seen parts of it, yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay. Was that a good or bad time in your life?

[Jackson White]

It was great. That's an interesting question. No, it was great. I mean, it was cool. Like, that's. That was the big family discussion for many years, was that show.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Yeah.

[Jackson White]

It's like if Grace and I had a kid, right, they would be a. They would know Tell Me Lies intimately even if they hadn't seen it. You know, I know everything about that show.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

When she decided to come on because you had the role first.

[Jackson White]

Yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

What was your reaction to, like, did you want it to kind of be.

[Alex Cooper]

Your own thing and not have your.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Mom be involved at all? Was there like a totally.

[Jackson White]

There's a little kid thing where you're like, no, it's mine.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Right.

[Jackson White]

But then I thought, oh, yeah, it's fine. No, it's great. I thought it was really full circle and I thought she was. I thought Megan was kidding when she said they want to ask her. I thought I was like, oh, that'd be hilarious. And then they did. And.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

And then it worked out.

[Jackson White]

It worked out.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay. Your mom plays your mom.

[Jackson White]

Yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Your girlfriend plays your girlfriend on the show.

[Jackson White]

How.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

And I'm sure you've been asked this before, but, like, I need to ask you it myself. Like, how did you navigate not letting those two worlds of your reality to then the show get blurred together?

[Alex Cooper]

You.

[Jackson White]

You want to not let it blend, but I think it does. Just because I'm like, I didn't sign on to this. I don't do this job because I'm all there, like all together, you know, Like, I. I like that. You know, you come. You do make believe for your job, you're probably a little fucked up. Probably. And so you take on a little bit of everything. And. And it was hard. It was hard to. Hard to not let the lines blur.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Yeah.

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[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

I do want to go back to something that you were talking about earlier in regard to your relationship to your father. Growing up, you mentioned how alcohol was and became a big part of your life with him and your relationship. Do you mind talking a little bit more about how that influenced and impacted you?

[Jackson White]

Yeah, I think. I think we all have coping mechanisms for how difficult all of this is and it's different for every person. Mine, mine was thankfully more clear cut. Like I. Like I know a lot of the things that hold me, but there's so many things that hold me back all the time. But it's so vast. The things that can fucking like hold you back, right? Like it's, it can be substance, it can be like people, behaviors, food, like whatever. Everyone's got their thing, everyone's got a thing. And I think focusing on what that is and discovering what that is is what, what makes you progress like as a person in your career and your relationships. Like it. That. That's what makes you grow for you.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

When you look back, like, you talk about fear and I can imagine, I think when we have fear or we have anxieties, we can try to do things to avoid that. Like, how did you find yourself leaning into unhealthy coping mechanisms to like avoid your pain or your fear?

[Jackson White]

Well, fear, yeah, fear's the. Fear is like the core fear. And then, and then, and then anger is like a symptom and like, you know, drinking can be a symptom and behavior is a symptom. So like it's. But it starts with that. Like, I'm not enough. I won't be enough. People are better than me. I'll be left, I'll be alone. I'm not good enough to be here or to be with this person. That's. Those thoughts are like those, Those thoughts start everything and then everything else is like a. I don't know. Then you just start reacting.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

How do you think you got to a place where numbing those feelings, you eventually were like, wait, that's actually more unhealthy. Like by me doing.

[Jackson White]

I just got tired. I get, I get tired of running on that. It's like you don't. It's exhausting to. Be unconscious. You don't even know it's exhausting. And thankfully I had a parent who got like my mom got her shit together. She did. She got her shit together a long time ago. And I got to see that you can get your shit together. So I had a. I had a really great example in my mom. And I want a lot of things. Like, I just want a lot of things in this life. I want a lot of family things, a lot of career things. And if something's stopping you from getting those. I don't. You know what I mean? It's that simple. If there's. If you're being stopped from getting those things and you're seeing signs that you're not getting those things, if you're missing your audition, if you're like, if you're, if you're shitty on the phone, if you're reacting poorly, it's just like you just gotta focus on it. You gotta have that self knowledge though. And sorry. And. And like you have to. Consequences are what start pushing that into action. And if you don't have consequences, it. Sometimes you can go on and on and on.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

That's what I was Gonna ask you, like, when you were going through maybe one of the darker times in your life.

[Jackson White]

Yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

And struggling and going through all these feelings of like, am I good enough? Am I not? And then leaning into unhealthy patterns because that would kind of numb the pain.

[Jackson White]

Yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

What were examples where you kind of had to face reality, whether it was people confronting you, Maybe you lost relationships.

[Jackson White]

Yeah. You, you. It's both. It's, it's. You're subconsciously ruining everything. You just break.

[Alex Cooper]

Right?

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, and it's hard too because, like, depending on where you're at in your life, like, I feel like for social reasons, like, it's so confusing if, even if you're talking about like drinking, like, it's so confusing because it's such a social thing.

[Jackson White]

Oh, yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

And so it's like the fear of, like, am I not going to be.

[Alex Cooper]

Fun anymore if I stop?

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Am I not going to be this anymore? And it's like there's so much that we tell ourselves if we want to try to get better.

[Alex Cooper]

You almost go to the negatives first before.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Like, we know this is going to actually make your life a lot healthier and happier. But it's so ingrained in culture that it's really hard to be like, can I stop this?

[Jackson White]

Should I Going on a date. Like, if you've drank on every date and then you go on a date and you're not drinking, like you feel like a alien and you feel like, oh my God, all my stuff is coming out and I'm not prepared for this. And, and, and this is also side note. These things don't go away. When you take a behavior out of your life. The hole, the God sized hole is there no matter what. For most people. I mean, for all people. For all people, there's a, there's a, there's a thing that we're trying to fill with people and places and things and money. We just are. It doesn't go anywhere. You just have to take out the thing that makes it destructive, which is really hard. Which is hard. And it's just substituting vices. Right. It's not like there's one good one and one bad one. It's just what's working for you. If, if you're taking it out in your relationship, you, you're gonna hurt somebody. If you're taking it out with substances, you're gonna hurt yourself.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

For you, once you were able to be like, okay, I am going to try to move forward in life and like, give myself a healthier Lifestyle, let's say, what were some of the positives and negatives that you saw once you got that clarity of like, I need to shift my life. I need to change my, my actions to my own body and to myself.

[Jackson White]

Everything, everything changed. Like, I want to say that there were external things that changed dramatically, but there weren't. But there were. Well, there were. I mean, you, you get, you're, if you're clear, you can, you're just better prepared for life and you can succeed and blah, blah, blah. But also you just, it's here. You just feel less like you're in trouble all the time or you're gonna, you just, you have it, you have that ease. And that's what we all want is that ease. I just want to feel okay. Yeah, yeah, you want to see your come out. Stop drinking. Yeah, you'll get to the real. Stop drinking. You'll feel great. And then, and then, and then that deep in the core comes out and it's like, oh yeah, that was there. I was just covering it up with, with whatever.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

How are you doing with the fears and the anxieties and all of that?

[Jackson White]

I'm doing good. It's been a good long educational road and, and I feel, I feel great. My life has changed and I have a lot of, A lot of love in my life and, and I, I care about people. That's the big thing I genuinely give a shit about like how some. Someone else is doing, which I didn't have when I was like younger and running on fucking Doritos and fear. Like I, I, you know, and that's the, that's the best thing to come out of it is like, because all I want, all I want is to be like, like a worker among workers. Like just, just I want the life to be like calm and serene.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

And I think sometimes when people talk about a darkness in their life, the beauty of it is it also brings such a, A light because it's like it really forces you to go through a lot of. But then you've been through a lot of shit.

[Jackson White]

I had to because if I, if I didn't then my would run the. I would, I wouldn't be working. I wouldn't be around people. I had to. That's, that's what I'm learning. You can actually just face the fear.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

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[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay, before we go, I want to end with like a couple rapid fire. Okay, what's the time? You absolutely bombed an audition.

[Jackson White]

All of them. So many of them. I've got like 150 of them.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay, other than you, which tell me lies character is the most insufferable.

[Jackson White]

Evan.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

That. That sounds like something Steven would say.

[Jackson White]

Well, I love. No, no, but I just mean like factually based on the plot and also.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Him with Brie's mom and getting the mom drunk. But before seeing Brie, right.

[Jackson White]

I think. I think he fucks shit up again. I think he. I think he's actually Evan. Like bad news.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Yeah, he's bad news.

[Jackson White]

Oh wait. Insufferable. The teacher Oliver.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Disgusting bad boy. What is the pettiest thing you've ever done after a breakup?

[Jackson White]

I disintegrated my Instagram what does that even.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

You disintegrated.

[Jackson White]

Like, I didn't just, like, delete, but it was like, delete, Delete forever, destroy. And I was like, yes. Delete forever. Type in password.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Gone forever to yours. Not her, mine. And you just disappeared.

[Jackson White]

I just ghosted because I was like, I don't want to deal with seeing anything. I didn't want to deal with. I just. So I. Did you ask destructive.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

What's the pettiest thing?

[Jackson White]

Oh, petty. Oh, that's not really petty. That was more just, like, insane. But I had some good momentum going, too. And this is. This was a long time ago, and I just, poof, had to start over.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay. What is the best gift you've ever gotten for Grace?

[Jackson White]

I got her. I got her. I got her a little Cartier last year.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Oh. Ring, bracelet, necklace.

[Jackson White]

Got a little Cartier ring.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Cute.

[Jackson White]

But I got. I didn't know it was the wedding ring.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

You got her the wedding ring one.

[Jackson White]

I didn't know.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

She's like, you're proposing.

[Jackson White]

Yeah. It was so funny. I was like. I didn't know that this was.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Oh, like the wedding.

[Jackson White]

I didn't know.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Oh, Jackson. Did she know?

[Jackson White]

Yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

And she's like, no.

[Jackson White]

It's a sick ring, though. You don't have to wear it as a wedding.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay.

[Jackson White]

We just, like, have it on other. Other fingers.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay. That's cute.

[Jackson White]

Cute.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

What do you think your two top love languages are?

[Jackson White]

The ones that I need are the ones that I give.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Both. Give me both. I love that you know that as a man. Also, good job.

[Jackson White]

Well, I give acts of service.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay.

[Jackson White]

Huge time. Big time. That's like how I show love. I'll do this for you. I'll do this for you. And then I want to receive words, affirmation. I want you to tell me how great I am. How great I am. Let me tell you. Tell me you like me still.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Do you remember the first big purchase you splurged on with your Tell me Lies paycheck?

[Jackson White]

I bought it. I bought it. I bought a car. Oh, I didn't buy a. Yeah, I bought a. I bought it. I needed a new car, and I bought a new car.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

What kind of car?

[Jackson White]

I bought a Dodge Durango. That makes a lot of sense with the Hemi. Very loud car.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

You're obnoxious.

[Jackson White]

I'm obnoxious.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Wait, so you're the one driving that. I'm like, oh, my God.

[Jackson White]

No. But I'm not the guy who's like.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

But can you explain why to the sound like, what do what? Do we need that for?

[Jackson White]

Power.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Power.

[Jackson White]

No, no. I just love it.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Stupid.

[Jackson White]

My dad was. My men are so stupid. My dad was such a car guy. He.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay.

[Jackson White]

And I remember I showed him. I went to all these dealerships with my dad, and we picked that one.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Cute.

[Jackson White]

Yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay. Okay.

[Jackson White]

It's a great loud car. Still have. I'm surprised you didn't hear it pull into your.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

I'm happy I didn't, because I would have roasted you at the very top of the show.

[Jackson White]

I know.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Yes. We're finally, sadly, done with Tell Me Lies. But where are we going to see you next? Do you have projects that you're working on? Do you have things that you're gonna be doing?

[Jackson White]

Yes.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

I know you can't tell me, but, like, you're gonna be acting, obviously. Okay.

[Jackson White]

Yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Have you filmed other things?

[Jackson White]

I did film something else.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay.

[Jackson White]

I filmed something after the last season.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

And was that character so different than Steven Opposite? How did you feel about that?

[Jackson White]

It was awesome.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Electric.

[Jackson White]

It was electric. It was everything. Yeah, it was super fun.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Okay.

[Jackson White]

It was like, very, like. Like, natural. Like, bring yourself to it. Like, like true. It was very, like, truthful and natural type of acting, which was very cool. So it's like, you could do that everywhere. But Tell Me Lies was very, like, a lot of precision, and. And we're telling this story, and it was like a. It was a very different, like, artistic, very, like, different thing, and it was great. It was.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

You know, I think that's needed. I saw Grace on a red carpet being like, I think I need to play some, like, lighter roles, like, from, like, Lucy and Amanda Knox. I was like, girl, you deserve to.

[Jackson White]

Like, get in the jail. She needs to. She needs to go do some.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

She needs reprieve.

[Jackson White]

Yes, she does. And she's the funniest fucking person ever.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

She's amazing.

[Jackson White]

She's so funny.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

I am so happy I got to know you. Oh, yeah, you do. Again, like, I didn't know what to expect. I know we've seen such a large character be built, and I agree. I can imagine you're, like, loved that. Love what I did with that. But I'm excited for people to get to know Jackson.

[Jackson White]

Yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Which I feel like we really did today.

[Jackson White]

I think we got some good little slices.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

I think, if anything, there's something very calming to have watched this traumatizing show and then have you kind of, like, close us out. Everyone's gonna have watched it.

[Alex Cooper]

They're gonna wake up in the morning.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

On Wednesday, and they're gonna be like, oh, my God, I'm about to tune in this little piece of. Oh, my God. He wrote off in the sunset. And then we're gonna hear from you. You're gonna be like, hey, guys, I'm Jackson.

[Jackson White]

Like, life was hard and. And I. Yeah.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Like, I'm here and I'm just hoping to, you know, have a good career.

[Jackson White]

Yeah. Yeah, that's. That's what I hope.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

That's what I hope. I hope that too. And I can feel they're going to take that.

[Jackson White]

Yeah. Good.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Jackson, thank you so much for coming on. Call Her Daddy.

[Jackson White]

Thank you for having me.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

This was really lovely.

[Jackson White]

I had a really good time.

[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

Me too.

[Jackson White]

Thank you.

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[Host (Call Her Daddy co-host, possibly Sofia Franklyn or another co-host)]

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