Kristin Cavallari: So You Want to Date an Athlete? (FBF)

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Call Her Daddy – “Kristin Cavallari: So You Want to Date an Athlete?” (Throwback)

Host: Alex Cooper
Guest: Kristin Cavallari
Date: September 12, 2025
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Episode Overview

In this lively and candid episode, Alex Cooper welcomes reality TV icon and Uncommon James founder Kristin Cavallari. Diving deep into Kristin’s unconventional rise to fame, her approach to parenting, the reality of dating and marrying athletes (with some wild stories), and lessons she’s learned on relationships and personal growth, the conversation is filled with honest reflections, relatable confessions, and laugh-out-loud moments. Both women unpack the rewards and pitfalls of life in and out of the spotlight—making this a must-listen for anyone curious about the truth behind reality TV and the woman who became famous living it.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Protecting Her Children’s Privacy

• [03:13 - 05:00]
  Kristin shares her decision to keep her kids off social media, expressing a desire for them to make their own choices about public exposure once they’re older.
  • “We wanted to give them the opportunity to make that decision…my kids may want no part of being known.” – Kristin (03:32)
  • She discusses online criticism and concern for how toxic social media impacts young people, aiming to shield her kids until they have “thick skin.”

2. Early Fame: Laguna Beach and Reality TV

• [07:48 - 13:55]
  Kristin recounts being cast on Laguna Beach as a high schooler, her parents’ reactions (her dad supported it, her mom had reservations), and how fame suddenly “fell in her lap.”
  • “College would have done nothing for me.” – Kristin (07:56)
  • Reality TV was still uncharted; no one knew how big the show would get or the impact on cast members’ lives.

3. Family and Personal Confidence

• [11:34 - 14:16] Kristin opens up about her complicated family background, frequent moves, and how insecurities masked by bravado shaped her TV persona.
  • “Confidence is quiet, insecurity is loud? Well, I was that… I was overcompensating.” – Kristin (13:07)
  • She reflects on the difference between her public image and her real high school self.

4. Reality TV Manipulation and Aftermath

• [16:28 - 23:55]
  The manipulation by producers and its effects on trust: Kristin reveals that grown-ups behind the scenes would stir up drama, mislead cast members, and even leak false narratives to tabloids.
  • “When you’re 17, 18, and you have adults taking advantage of you… that’ll rock your boat for sure.” – Kristin (16:28)
  • She discusses false storylines (like being painted as a “villain” and rumors of drug use) and the lasting mental toll:
    • “I was pretty wrecked for a while. I was so upset.” (19:10)

5. Media Backlash & Tabloid Culture

• [24:38 - 26:39] Kristin details the double-edged sword of fame—access to amazing experiences, but also relentless tabloid scrutiny and false headlines.
  • “Now I’m not so much in the tabloids…but what I don’t like now is every time I do an interview…they turn it into headlines for clickbait.” – Kristin (25:53)
  • She shares the struggle to set the record straight and maintain privacy.

6. Dating, Navigating Public Relationships, and Athlete Stereotypes

Dating in the Spotlight

• [29:52 - 41:36] Kristin outlines the challenges of dating amid fame, particularly men who get “hooked on” publicity or become insecure about her profile.
  • “They get a little taste of fame and they lose their mind…or it’s really threatening for a lot of guys.” – Kristin (30:33)
  • Anecdotes about breadcrumbing on social media and relationship red flags.

Dating and Marrying an Athlete: Jay Cutler & Beyond

• [31:30 - 36:45]
  Kristin’s story of meeting ex-husband Jay Cutler (Chicago Bears QB), moving quickly, and the reality behind the glitz of athlete relationships.
  • Pros: “Life was easy and fun with him.” (34:01) – like always getting dinner reservations, enjoying his status
  • Cons: Dealing with the physical toll of football, schedules, “road beef” and athlete infidelity stories.
  • On baseball players: “That’s why they have girlfriends in every city.” (35:42)
  • She appreciated that Jay’s schedule allowed for trust, but acknowledges “it’s a different world.”

Divorce, Motherhood, and Moving On

• [37:03 - 43:10]
  • Kristin discusses why she ended things with Jay—not “loss of love,” but refusing to stay in a “toxic” relationship.
  • The process of knowing when to leave: “It took me a few years to actually pull the trigger, to be honest.” (41:36)
  • Motivation: “I didn’t want my kids thinking that was normal…I wanted them to see me happy and with someone who really respects me.” (43:10)

7. Dating in the Social Media Era: Modern Rules & Red Flags

• [45:16 - 60:28]
  • Hilarious recent dating stories, including an actor who did stunts in a restaurant (47:01) and being “too nice” to ghost people.
  • On DMs: “I won’t make the first move on Instagram. I want to be pursued.” (52:14)
  • What turns her off: shirtless selfies, gym photos, fishing pics on men’s IGs, dating “trash buckets” (58:14–58:34), and lack of accountability or insecurity in partners.

8. Reflecting on Personal Growth and Future Goals

• [61:18 - 62:49]
  • The interplay between business and fame:
    • “If everything went away, I would be okay. But now that I’m a single woman… I have to keep my money coming in.” (61:18)
  • Kristin values her life outside LA, raising her kids in Nashville, and maintaining boundaries with the press.
  • She wants to set the record straight: “People would be surprised at what a normal life I live…I recharge by being quiet and having alone time.” (62:14–62:49)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On producers manipulating teens:
  “When you’re dealing with children…that’s where it’s tough. We were kids, you know.” – Kristin (16:28)

• On being cast as ‘the villain’:
  “They really leaned in to try to make you that villain role?”
  “Oh yeah. And that’s why I’ve loved doing the Back to the Beach podcast…because we literally go through scene by scene and break it down. It’s been therapeutic for me.” – Kristin (18:31)

• On divorce and role modeling for her children:
  “I wanted them to see me happy and see me eventually…with someone who really respects me and treats me the way I need to be treated.” (43:10)

• On non-negotiables in dating:
  “A non-negotiable is someone who cannot take any accountability and who is insecure. I need someone so comfortable in their own skin.” (58:58)

• On her real self:
  “I think I’m way more normal than people probably think.” (62:49)

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Timestamps to Key Segments

• 03:13 – Kristin on protecting her kids from social media
• 07:48 – How fame and reality TV changed her life
• 13:07 – Difference between public confidence and private insecurity
• 16:28 – Behind-the-scenes manipulation in reality TV
• 19:10 – Mental toll of being cast as a villain
• 24:38 – Navigating the perks and pressures of fame
• 29:52 – The challenge of dating in the spotlight
• 31:30 – Meeting and marrying Jay Cutler
• 35:42 – Athlete relationship stereotypes and “road beef”
• 37:03 – Divorce decisions and her kids
• 45:16 – Reuniting with ex-boyfriend Steven & fun dating anecdotes
• 52:14 – Why Kristin doesn’t DM men first
• 58:58 – Kristin’s relationship non-negotiables
• 61:18 – Real life in Nashville and balancing fame

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Conclusion

This episode mixes nostalgia, wisdom, and plenty of truth bombs as Kristin Cavallari and Alex Cooper reflect on the good, the bad, and the hilarious sides of fame, dating, and growing up on reality TV. Whether discussing the pitfalls of being a teen in the public eye, learning to trust after betrayal, or navigating today’s dating world, Kristin offers refreshing candor and hard-earned advice for listeners at every stage of life.

Transcript

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[Interviewer/Co-host]

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[Alex Cooper]

Are we ready?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Okay.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

That laugh, I. I'm like, I know it so well. It's, like, so weird to be in person with you now. Okay. Okay. Kristin Cavallari, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Thank you.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

I have always been a huge fan. Laguna the Hills. Owned all the DVDs, would watch with my sister, would binge watch. But another reason I was super excited to have you on was because I follow you on social media.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Oh, thanks.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

I respect everything you're doing, your career, but specifically with your children, you deciding to not really show them and keep that part of their life private. I mean, I really. I really respect it. How did you decide to take that approach and protect your children by keeping them off social media?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Well, thank you. Because a lot of people don't understand it. But if you go back to when I first joined Instagram, Camden, my oldest is on there when he was a baby a little bit. Okay. And then we just decided that we wanted to give them the opportunity to make that decision. You know, my kids may want no part of being known or whatever, and I want to respect that and give them that chance to decide when they're old enough.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Yeah. I feel like that's like, a huge debate on social media, because so many people with social media are posting even like they're infant.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

And then there's the debate of, like, wait, that's kind of fucked up, because they don't have a say. And now their whole life is gonna be documented, and then they're gonna get to high school, and people are gonna be like, I have all these Instagram photos of you. But I think it's a. It's a really good decision, and I definitely want to do that when I have children. When do you think they'll get on social media?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Not until they're, like, 20.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

You're like, I'm not giving them a phone.

[Kristin Cavallari]

They're never gonna be 16, I'd say is probably realistic and, you know, long enough where hopefully they have decently thick skin and can handle some criticism. Because ultimately, like, that's my biggest concern with it, is just how nasty people can be on social Media. So yeah. And when it's your kids, it's like I want to do everything to protect them.

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[Kristin Cavallari]

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[Interviewer/Co-host]

There was no social media when you were growing up, but. But I'm curious, did you have aspirations at all to be on television?

[Kristin Cavallari]

I did, and it wasn't really until high school, but before MTV came, I wanted to study broadcast journalism and kind of work my way in the entertainment world through hosting. But then MTV came, and everything just kind of fell in my lap. And I thought, well, you know, when I graduated high school, I moved up to la. I started at Loyola Marymount. I literally went to one class. Like, literally one class. And then I booked a job on upn, which you guys probably don't even remember that network. But it was a. Back in the day, I was hosting a show. And so my excuse was, well, I'm traveling around the country. I obviously can't go to college. And not that I want to, like, promote not going to college, but it's the best thing I ever could have done. College would have done nothing for me.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Right, because you already kind of had a career set in stone because you started in high school, which is, like, not normal, especially for, like, television. You're in high school now. We gotta go through it. Okay, And MTV picks you to be on their new show. What did your parents say when you asked them if you could be on the show?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Well, so I was living with my dad in Laguna Beach. My mom was in a suburb of Chicago. My mom definitely had reservations because at the time, MTV was a little scandalous at the time, you know, that was right after the Janet Jackson boob thing happened at the super bowl. And they didn't have the best rep, and so she was a little worried. But my dad was all for it. And because I lived with my dad, I'm pretty sure I only had to have my dad sign off on it.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

You're like, mom, I'm not even doing it, dad. Why do you think your dad was okay with it?

[Kristin Cavallari]

I think he saw the opportunity, you know, I mean, he just did. And. And, well, also, none of us knew what the show was going to turn into. You know, my dad probably at the time was like, oh, cute. A little home movie, no problem. Have fun.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

It literally probably was like a school, like, school project. Dad, it just happens to be from mtv. And it's crazy because Reality tv, really? Like, no one had got in famous from that yet. So it was kind of like an undiscovered concept. So I can kind of understand why parents would be like, sure, yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

It wasn't like it is today. No one knew, you know, I mean, totally. Obviously, there was the real world at the time. I think the Simple Life had already happened and maybe the Osbourne show, but other than that, there was. There was nothing really. So, yeah, we. This was unchartered territory. We had no idea.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

I'm trying to picture myself in high school, getting cast on a show. I would have failed out. I would have dropped out. No way, dude.

[Kristin Cavallari]

How did you know? You would have fucking crushed it.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

That's the point, though. I would have been like, I'm obsessed. I get to go party with boys. Like, how the fuck.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, that was me.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Okay. I was wondering, like, did it fully take over your life?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Oh, I mean, yeah. Well, yes and no. Yes in the sense that. Yes. I mean, that was like, what everyone in Laguna beach was talking about. We filmed every weekend for, like, nine months or something. But because we were still in high school, I mean, I was actually going to class still. And so during the weeks, you know, my. My life was normal. I was going to school, doing whatever I was doing. And then we would film, I think sometimes Thursdays, but mostly Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

When you came out, did people that were in your school that weren't on the show treat you guys like, no? Okay, friend.

[Kristin Cavallari]

What happened was the first season, everybody auditioned, right? Everyone did well. And then when those people didn't get it, fuck mtv, blah, that whole thing. And then those people were on season two, and I was like, oh, really? Right. Fuck mtv, huh? That pissed me off. But, I mean, it's understandable. And then when it aired, the first season aired, I was a senior in high school. Talon and I were. Everyone else graduated, went on to school. That was the one time the freshman coming in looked at me a little differently, and I was like, okay, this is weird.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

You talked about the fact that your relationship with your dad was hard to heal in therapy when you were growing up. What was that core issue between the two of you?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Well, my dad wasn't around a lot, to be honest. We were living in Connecticut before my parents got a divorce and my dad had moved to Colorado. I think I saw him maybe like once a month, like, for a while. And then in Colorado is when my parents got a divorce. And my dad shortly thereafter moved to Laguna beach. And I was still in Colorado. Then my mom Got remarried, and I moved to Chicago. And then my freshman year of high school is when I moved to Laguna. Moved in with my dad, my stepmom, who was 20 years younger than my dad, and my brother at the time, who had also been broken up with. He moved to Laguna when I moved to Chicago. And honestly, my dad and I were just never close. And I just remember in high school, I never wanted to be home. Like, I just never wanted to be around that environment. So that's why I think I fell into, like, friendships a lot and going out. I was kind of the party girl, and I was just, you know, that's where I found connections.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Did you want to move to Laguna?

[Kristin Cavallari]

I sort of had to because I was getting in so much trouble in Chicago, and I had a major issue with my stepbrother, and, like, all of the pieces just fell into place for me to move. My mom wanted to ship me off to boarding school, and my dad said, let me give it a go. Let me see if I can control this wild beast. So I moved to Laguna my freshman year of high school, and honestly, the best thing that's ever happened to me.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

What were you confident about in high school, and what were you insecure about?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Well, it's funny, because on Laguna beach, everyone thought I was this super confident kid. And now that I've had to go back and watch the episodes for my podcast, I don't see a confident girl at all. I see actually someone who's incredibly insecure. You know that saying, confidence is quiet, insecurity is loud? Well, I was that, you know, I was overcompensating for my insane amount of insecurity. And so I think most kids are a mess. You know, most high school kids, you don't know who the fuck you are at 17 years old. But I think, really, probably because I didn't have a family member in my life that I was really close to, my. My mom now is my best friend, but at the time, we were not close, wasn't living with her, you know, I never wanted to be home, so I think that was probably a large part of it for me.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

That is really interesting because I think, like, watching it back, sometimes when you're in your head about whatever your insecurity is for you, you're like, I kind of feel like I'm alone out here doing my fucking thing. You kind of just have to fake it till you make it.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Exactly.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Was there anything when you were your peers that you were insecure about?

[Kristin Cavallari]

No. I mean, that's really where I Kind of found my identity, I think. And so I moved around a lot growing up. And I think because I was always the new girl, I was a survivor. Like, you could throw me in any situation and I was going to figure it out. I knew how to navigate through situations. That's maybe where like, the confidence came from. Because I wasn't someone who's going to, like, you know, crawl in the corner and suffer. I was like, boom, here I am, let's go. But I was faking it, though.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

That makes so much sense. I can completely relate to that. Where you're like, I'm about to walk in this room and I have two options. And so sometimes being like the loud one, it just gets you in the door and it immediately. If you exude confidence, eventually you're gonna be.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

If you had to guess, who would you be now if the MTV cameras never showed up to your high school?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Oh, my God, I love that question. I mean, I think, wow, if I was never on Laguna Beach, I probably would have gone to school and, you know, did broadcast, studied broadcast journalism. Hopefully would have worked my way in. Still, I don't know, I feel like in a lot of ways, I probably wouldn't be as far along on my journey as I am today. Because ultimately, being on TV at such a young age and going through everything I've gone through over the years has really forced me to grow up a lot. I think the older we get, we realize life is building blocks and everything starts to make sense. And so I feel like just everything that I've been through, like, I feel like this was supposed to be my journey, so I can't. It's hard to sit here and be like, well, if not because I just feel like I was destined for this.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

I think a lot of people are fascinated because, like you said, high school is hard enough. Like, high school is such an awkward time. You're trying to figure out who the fuck you are. You're dealing with peer dynamics, family dynamics, how did it feel? And I think this is where we all are so fascinated with it. Because it's really not natural to have grown ups with cameras in your face. Like, I feel like your scenes were always like, you chilling in bed with Alex in the morning, like, discussing what happened the night before. But it's like, how did it feel having these grown ups come into your life, stir up drama and kind of like manipulate these storylines to get a good show going when you're in high school?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, it's a weird dynamic when you really Explain it like that. I mean, my whole life I had trust issues. But then really, when you're 17, 18, and you have adults taking advantage of you and manipulating situations, and in a lot of ways, just straight up lying to your face, I mean, that'll rock your boat for sure. Trust is like my biggest issue with people. And so that obviously didn't help that situation. And now that I'm older and I've been on the other side of reality shows, like, very cavallari, I was an executive producer, which was the best thing for me to end my reality TV career with that experience because it left a really good taste in my mouth. But it was also really eye opening to be involved in those conversations of like, oh, these are the storylines we're getting, and no matter what you do, they're gonna get the storyline they want. So I understand from a producer's perspective, now that I'm an adult, why they do the things they do. They have a job to do. I get all of that. I just think it's a tricky thing when you're dealing with children. I mean, we were kids, you know, that's where it's like, ah, it's tough.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

It's really tough because in one part it became one of the biggest shows, and then on the other end, it's like, yo, you're in high school. That's your life. When you say they would lie to your face, can you give us an example of something you remember?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Well, so I look at Laguna beach on the hills as two very different experiences. Experiences. Laguna beach was more just. No one really ever told us what was going on or, like, what they were trying to do. You know, no one prepared us for what was coming. I just remember one producer in particular, before it aired, saying, well, you know, you can definitely tell that you're not from Laguna Beach. And I was like, oh, okay. Like, what does that mean? And then it came out and I was like, oh, you mean because everyone's gonna fucking hate me and this is so not who I am, you know? But, like, I don't know, a bigger heads up would have been nice, how much you guys fud with me, that kind of stuff.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

When you say fucked with you, are you saying, like, they really leaned in to try to make you that villain role?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And that's why I've really loved doing the Back to the beach podcast with Stephen, because we literally go through scene by scene and break it down. And it's been therapeutic for me. It's been eye opening. It's been really fun also, just to break it all down because I'm not emotionally invested in it. In it anymore. Where at the time I remember Steven being like, that's not how it went down. But I couldn't hear him or believe him because I was so upset about it. And so, yeah, being able to go back and watch it and just get to the bottom of it, I've loved every second of it.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

When you realize, like, wait, I look like the villain in this. What the fuck did that do to you? Mentally, I was.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I was pretty wrecked for a while. I was so upset. I was really upset when I saw the first episode. It was hard.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

It was you and Lauren Conrad, essentially. The first premise was, like, you guys fighting over a guy.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Did you and Lauren. Was it really only over Steven, or were you two just two personalities that probably would have always butt heads regardless of if a guy was involved?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Well, we were never friends, but we never fought or anything, you know, and so MTV coming definitely made it a way bigger thing than it ever was. And Lauren and Steven did have something, but it was before MTV came. And then, of course, MTV caught wind of that. That was like, the only thing they focused on and in a lot of ways, tried to keep it alive. And that was where I felt really threatened. And so I put up walls. I was all I knew how to do at age 17. And so, yeah, it goes back to that thing where I was always a survivor. And so if I felt like, you know, threatened, and people were, like, coming after something that was mine, AKA my boyfriend or whatever it was, I was going to get scrappy. I mean, that's just what I knew how to do.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

I have had many of your now castmates on, I've heard, and being on Laguna beach and the Hills and getting to, like, directly interact with Adam Devello. What was your experience with him?

[Kristin Cavallari]

I mean, it was. It was never great. I had my issues with Adam, without a doubt. And again, I mean, I kind of said it earlier, but I understand now as an adult why he did the things he did. It's not that I agree with them, but, I mean, he had a job to do. I think my biggest issue with what Adam did was he would create these storylines on the show that were bullshit, but then he would go and feed them to the tabloids. So not only are you living this shit on the show, but then I'm having to answer questions and the tabloids and people are painting this picture of me, which isn't true at all. And again, I Get it? Because the tabloids fueled the show. And, you know, at the end of the day, it's all fine. It's all worked out. But I. I had my issues with Adam, for sure. I don't think he's a good person, but I think he's a great producer. I'm actually kind of upset, though, because Steven and I were supposed to have him on our podcast, and he, you know, had us going around and around and around, and then two days before we were supposed to film, he pulled out. And it's just shitty because, A, you could have told us up front, and B, he totally opened up my career. Right. Started my career. But we also started his career. Like, without the cast of Season 1 of Laguna Beach, Adam wouldn't be what he is either. So I just felt like, why can't you? Come on, it's a mutual respect thing. Answer some questions about how the show is created and we'll call it a day.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

You kind of made him because, yeah, he had, like, the format, but if you guys didn't show the fuck up and do your iconic scenes, like, like, there was not going to be a huge media mogul moment for MTV in that category. So it's like, Spencer did talk about what happened with Heidi. Did you know about that? And do you know?

[Kristin Cavallari]

No. Because that was before I had come on the show. My issue with him was a bribing situation and him creating this storyline that I was doing drugs and was out of control. Partied my ass off in my early 20s. I had a really good time. I don't regret anything. I was never out of control. It was never cause for concern. I was never not showering, which is like what Us Weekly had said, that I needed to go to rehab and all this shit. And so that wasn't cool.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

I remember that.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, he bribed the girls to call me out on camera for doing drugs with a purse. So. But. And that was difficult. And Adam and I got in a huge fight about it. And because what I was doing then. Because then he fueled it to Us Weekly. I would be on camera filming, and I'd be like, I know. It was Adam, like, going around just running my mouth, Right? And Adam called me and he was like, you have to stop saying that. I was like, but you did.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

That's also. And I think that's where I think it's fair for you guys. You're not discrediting the show even. You sit here and you're saying, great producer. He knows what the he's doing. Yeah, but I do think it's fair to clear your name, because I was gonna ask you that about, like, there was that huge sin. I remember with the Hills where it was like. Like, she's on drugs. She spun out, and they, like, got you when you, like, just woke up. And they were. The girls were, like, trying to have an intervention, and I was like, is Kristen really on drugs intervention? And that. That fucks with you because your kids are gonna watch that one day, like. And so I think it's fair for you to be able to at least clear your fucking name with the drugs.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, I party. Like, I'm not gonna sit here and say, I never did. I had a lot of fun, and I'm glad that I did. I got everything out of my system, but it was never. I never needed rehab. No one in my life was concerned about me. Like, it. It was. Was totally under control.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

I love that if there's.

[Kristin Cavallari]

If you can be a partier, that's under control.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

But.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, and I. Yeah, so. And I just hope that Low learned you always have to get that in writing, you know, because she never got her purse.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

She didn't.

[Kristin Cavallari]

No, stop.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

What. What kind of purse was it?

[Kristin Cavallari]

I don't even know. I want to say it was a Birkin.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Shut the Birkin.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, but you gotta get that in writing.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Absolutely. I would have been like, give it to me first, and then I'll show up.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Exactly.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Damn. No Birkin for Low.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Sorry, girl.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

And no rehab for Kristen.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Hope it was worth it.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

When you look back, young Kristen is like, in that moment, cameras around. What were the perks of having the show in your life? And then what was, like, the most negative part that you look back on now with perspective?

[Kristin Cavallari]

I mean, the perks were. It was fun. I would get phone calls, being in, you know, whatever class during senior year, and mtv, be like, hey, can you fly to New York tonight to be on TRL tomorrow? I'm like, yes, absolutely. Like, that stuff is fun, you know, I mean, so there was a lot of cool things. Going to the MTV VMAs and all that stuff was really fun. I mean, I was still in high school, so it's not like I was getting great dinner reservations and stuff, you know? But when I graduated high school and we moved up to la. Yeah. Like, I never waited in a line at a club or a restaurant. Like, that was. It was fun. It was very, very fun. And then the biggest downfall, I'd say, and, well, I guess. Okay, more so back in the day was the tabloid world. That aspect of it. Now I'm not so much in the tabloids like I was back in the day. But what I don't like now is every time I feel like I do an interview, like, what they take, they'll take nothing and turn it into headlines for clickbait. And that shit really pisses me off still. Like, I just did another podcast, and we were talking about dating, and I guess we were talking about Instagram, and I said that I only noticed the verified ones. Cause they go to the top. And we were, like, joking around. So now all these articles are like, kristen's using Instagram as a dating app. And it's like, no, I'm not. That's not what I was saying.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Right. No, I do. I totally get that. Like, the spinning of the words and it almost makes you, like, not want to do.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Makes me not want to talk. Yeah.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Which I think you do love to talk, though.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I know, but I feel like in the last few years, I don't talk as much because I. I'm not. People probably don't know this about me. They probably think I love all the attention. I actually don't. Unless it's for something positive, like my company, like Uncommon James or something. Then I'm like, all right, that's great. But I really. I don't care about being in the press or the tabloids. I really don't.

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[Interviewer/Co-host]

Is MTV paying for everyone's therapy?

[Kristin Cavallari]

They should be.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

But no, they didn't offer.

[Kristin Cavallari]

No. And actually Steven told me on our podcast that they gave him a speech coach and I'm like, really? Because I probably needed one out of everybody and they didn't offer me that.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

They offered him we back when he was in Laguna.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yes. Yeah.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Did he need a speech coach?

[Kristin Cavallari]

I didn't think so. I did. Like, that would have gone against the character they wanted me to be, right?

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Like rough around the edges. Like wild. Kristen?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

How do you think having your first relationship, like serious first love and relationship air on TV impacted your future relationships?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Oh, I don't think my relationship. Being on camera affected my future relationships. I think just being in the press then affected my future relationships. And again, it goes back to that whole trust thing. Unfortunately, I've had to be careful with guys that I date because a lot of guys or what I have found is a few different things. They get a little taste of fame and they lose their Mind. They become addicted to it almost, or it's really threatening for a lot of guys. So then they want. They get really jealous and insecure about it. So that's been really tricky for me.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Wait, when you say they get addicted, like, how can you immediately tell, like, oh, fuck, he's turned.

[Kristin Cavallari]

It takes me a second, right? You can just tell, like. Like, what I can't stand is when a guy will plant breadcrumb. Breadcrumbs. You know that saying on Instagram? Like, I dated a guy. I dated a guy who would come to Nashville and he would, like, tag the location. And I'm like, why? You've never tagged a location in your life? Why are you now that I can't stand?

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Because it's so purposeful. Like, he's looking to kind of be like, I hope this gets picked up by someone, and I hope there's an article. Like, are they seeing each other?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Disgusting, right?

[Interviewer/Co-host]

You're like, I don't even know you that well. We're trying to get to know each other, like, before we actually start dating. Like, chill the out or what?

[Kristin Cavallari]

I've noticed if. If it's not about the guy, the attention, they do not like that. So then they're like, oh, you know, like, I'm like, it's because it's not about you.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

So you married someone that was famous and was in the public eye. How did you meet Jay Cutler?

[Kristin Cavallari]

So I. Well, I got a call from my publicist in 2009 when I was still filming the Hills, and he said, jay Cutler wants to fly you to Chicago and take you on a date. And I had no idea who he was, and I just wasn't interested, quite honestly, so I said no. I obviously told my mom about it, though, because a year later, I was visiting my mom, who lives in a suburb of Chicago, and we were going to a. A Bears preseason game with my cousin for, actually, my friend Matt Leinart, who was playing on the opposing team. And my mom said, you know, didn't Jay Cutler ask you out? And I was like, oh, yeah, I totally forgot about that. My cousin, who is, like, the biggest Bears fan, told me what an idiot I am. So, long story short, I got his family passes to meet him after the game, thinking I would never talk to Jay ever again, but my cousin would be, like, over the moon about it. And he walked in, and he was a lot cuter in person. And we hung out two nights later. And then, honest, we just moved so fast. I mean, we got engaged after eight months, and it Just moved.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

What initially attracted you to him?

[Kristin Cavallari]

So at the time, I remember my life felt very claustrophobic. Living in la, I couldn't leave my house without a million paparazzi every day. And I just was over it. Every guy in la, I felt like, was a little bitch, to be completely honest. And I wanted someone who could, like, be the alpha because I felt like everything in my life, I was always the alpha. So I wanted to be in the passenger seat, for one. Jay checked all of those boxes, and honestly, we just had chemistry. Like, you can't pick and choose who you like. You know what I'm saying? And so we just had that spark and. Yeah, so with where I was at at the time in my life, it was. He was perfect for me.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

I wanted to discuss dating an athlete and marrying an athlete, because I've dated. I was gonna say a few. I've dated a lot of athletes. Okay. Everyone knows I've dated a lot of athletes, had serious relationships, flings, whatever. And they're an interesting breed.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Was Jay your first professional athlete that you dated?

[Kristin Cavallari]

No, I have a few under my belt as well.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

So you kind of already knew kind of the game, you know, it helps when you have them under your belt because you kind of know I get that world so.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Well.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

So. Well, you have, like, the whole playbook ready to go.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Like musicians. Fucking insane. I won't go near another one. But athletes, I could do that world.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Oh, they're all the fucking.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Do that shit in my sleep.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Absolutely. What were some of the perks of dating a pro athlete in your mind?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Well, in Chicago, I mean, he was a huge deal, you know, and so it was like, instead of me always having to get a dinner reservation, like, Jake, if I can do it. Like, dumb shit like that, though. But it mattered at the time. Life was just. It was easy and fun with him. Totally, you know.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Did you fit in with the other players wives?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, I did.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

You did?

[Kristin Cavallari]

I did.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

See, I didn't as well because they would want me to go to a luncheon or, like, there's a lot of.

[Kristin Cavallari]

That, which I wasn't.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

I couldn't do.

[Kristin Cavallari]

No. But, like, yeah, we all got along.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

You got along.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

But maybe you weren't, like, out all the luncheons with, like.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Oh, God, no. I don't think I went to a bear's luncheon until, like, my last season there with him.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

They would always ask me and I'd be like, ladies, I gotta go to work. And they'd be like, but we have a luncheon at noon on Wednesday.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I'm like, sorry.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Sorry. No, but they are sweet. They are.

[Kristin Cavallari]

They are. What I found was most of them had been together since they were, like, 18.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

So many of them. And I guess I get it. And I think that's where maybe it was cool, because you had a different dynamic where, like, a lot of them try to stay with the people that knew them before they got big.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Right.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

And you and Jay had a different dynamic because you both were big in your own right. So there could kind of be this just mutual. Like, we both have our own things going on. That makes sense. What were some of the hardest aspects of being married to someone whose job is to play football?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Well, I mean, I love someone who has their own shit going on, so that was great. But I think the hardest part was watching him get the shit beat out of him week after week. You know, football's a really tough sport, and so that was difficult, especially after we had kids, too, you know, then things just become even more serious. But other than that, loved the schedule, loved him traveling, loved him going, like, I please go. Do you? You know?

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Yeah. I also feel like football is, like, one of the better schedules.

[Kristin Cavallari]

It's not bad at all.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Baseball, it's like, I'll see you.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Also, that's why they have girlfriends in every city.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Every single city. They would always call it, like, road beef. And I was like, excuse me, why are you saying this in front of me? And my boyfriend's friends would all be like, our road beef in, like, Minnesota.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I dated a baseball player who actually sent flowers to me and one of my friends on Valentine's Day. I mean, this is so long ago. But, yeah, I was like, oh, no shame.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

No shame. They're like, what?

[Kristin Cavallari]

No. Literally and totally told me he had a girlfriend up in San Francisco. Like, I mean.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Oh, yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I was like, oh, okay. Well, hey, there's something about the honesty.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Wait. They're like, but, like, she's my girlfriend in that city.

[Kristin Cavallari]

You're like, you are here.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Why?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Why not?

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Did you ever worry about Jay's behavior on the road when he was gone?

[Kristin Cavallari]

I didn't. And that's why football is actually a good sport, because they're gone for one night. They have curfew the night before. It's the night before a game. As soon as the game's over, they get right on a plane and come home.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

There's no room.

[Kristin Cavallari]

There's no. I mean, listen. They do, and they have, and they will continue to. But at the time, I didn't have any reason to suspect. Suspect.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

How did the dynamic of your marriage change once Jay retired?

[Kristin Cavallari]

I mean, it actually kind of didn't. And we started very Cavalieri right away. And so it kind of. It didn't. He was just around a lot more.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Okay, so you guys were getting to spend more time.

[Alex Cooper]

Time.

[Kristin Cavallari]

A lot more time, yeah.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Initially, when you got engaged, you postponed the wedding. You said one of the reasons was you didn't want to be a stay at home wife. What made you think that you would have to be staying at home if you got married?

[Kristin Cavallari]

I mean, it was so much bigger than that though. I think I probably said that at the time to like, say something and move on. But basically I ended the or I called off the engagement. The same reason I got a divorce. Same reasons I should say. And so I guess if there's any takeaway from that is you can't ignore red flags. People don't change. And you gotta trust your gut. I was 23 when I met Jay. You know, I was a baby. And at the time in my life, getting married and having kids was the next natural step. I'd gotten everything out of my system and I don't regret anything at all. And I really am thankful for our time together. But yeah, I just think, you know, now I'm so different. Dating, I see shit a mile away. And now it's like, no, I'm actually not gonna put up with that. Cause you know what it is now for me, it's a huge turn off. Instead of being like, oh, well, you know, maybe he'll change. Maybe we could fix him. It's like, no, no, no, no goodbye. I don't have time for that anymore.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

You say it wasn't because of loss of love that you guys got divorced, but because you couldn't be in a toxic relationship anymore. What was toxic about it?

[Kristin Cavallari]

So here's my only thing. Because I have three kids with him, I'm very careful about what I say. If you and I didn't have microphones in front of us, I'd fucking tell you. But, you know, that's their dad. And my oldest Googles us now, and I just want to be very careful. My mom never said anything bad about my dad growing up, and I really respected that. And I want to be that kind of mom. And even if I don't say anything, the headlines will say I've fucking trashed him somehow. So I just, you know, it was toxic, I think, Period. End of story. That's all I kind of need to say.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

When did Your family and friends realize forever. They did. Because I know sometimes you can, like, try to hide it, because I actually.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, okay. I kind of hid it from some of my friends. My mom knew every step of the way. And my best friend Stephanie, who's in Chicago. But like, Justin, my best friend, he didn't realize it until he moved to Nashville. And then he saw it firsthand.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

When you get to a place where you are trying to hide stuff from your friends or your family, that's also a red flag for yourself. Why aren't you telling your friends?

[Kristin Cavallari]

It's so true.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

And then it's like, to get out. And then it's almost harder once that you're so deep in it by yourself that then to try to Lone Ranger.

[Kristin Cavallari]

On your own island.

[Alex Cooper]

And then you're like, how do I.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Even tell my friends? Because I've been faking this for so long. But you're saying your family knew so you weren't fully alone.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, my mom knew. My mom knew. And because. Because my mom went through some similar stuff with my dad, she was actually the perfect person for me to have. She understood what I was going through, and so that was good. I also think it's really important if you do have issues with your dad, you know, obviously, for girls especially, to work through that shit before you get married, because otherwise we end up with our dad.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

When you think you have any fucking issues with just even, like, your family, your parents, friends, that if you don't work on that, you're about to turn right around and do the same.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Exactly.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

And so it can be a little bit of, like, a daunting process, but you have to work through it or you're gonna marry your father.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Exactly.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

When you are breaking up with someone, it sucks. Even if you.

[Kristin Cavallari]

No matter what side you're on.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

No matter what.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

And what is worse, especially with social media, is, like, it's hard to see someone move on.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

How did it make you feel? Or does it make you feel like if you still see or when. If he's, like, out with other people.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Like, I hope that he finds someone.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I really do. I mean, I want him happy. My kids benefit from that, you know? So I hope that he gets remarried. And I mean, I really do. Obviously, the first time I heard about it, it stung a little.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kristin Cavallari]

That's anybody, you know, but totally. And I'm friends with almost all of my exes, and I, I, I think that that's a good thing. Like, I really value the time I've had With everybody. I've learned from every relationship I've had and I really want all of my exes to be happy and be in a great relationship.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

For young women listening, it's fucking hard to end something that especially I'm sure when you have children, like you've deep ties with someone, there is love there, because what you've created, the world you've created with this person. But when you know something's not right for you, how did you, like, mentally work through ending it officially? Because that.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, it's scary. It's really scary. I mean, it took me a few years to actually pull the trigger, to be honest.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

For you. Was it just time or were you finally like, okay, something happened, like, now I'm gonna do it?

[Kristin Cavallari]

No, it was more just time. It was like, nothing major happens at the end, you know, it was just time. And I remember always asking my mom, like, well, how am I gonna know? And she would be like, you'll just know. And I did. I just kind of knew. And, you know, it's the scariest thing. It's also the saddest thing. I mean, it's so many emotions, but it can also be the best thing, you know, and so I really don't think anything good comes easy, really, like with anything in life. And so. But also you don't wanna, like, just make an impulsive decision either. And I think that's why it's important to ride it out. I've also seen couples that have worked through shit and come out on the other side, you know, So, I mean, you. I think with any relationship you just have to realize what are deal breakers for you, what's important to you and what's not. And I was really unhappy. I mean, and that was the bottom line. And I was in an unhealthy relationship and so that to me is not worth it. Also, I didn't want my kids thinking that was normal. And, you know, I wanted them to see me happy and see me eventually. Not right now, but. But eventually see me with someone who really respects me and treats me the way I need to be treated.

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[Alex Cooper]

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[Interviewer/Co-host]

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[Alex Cooper]

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[Interviewer/Co-host]

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[Alex Cooper]

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[Interviewer/Co-host]

Okay? You are now recording a Laguna beach rewatch podcast with your ex boyfriend in high school. I don't know if I could ever fucking sit down with my ex boyfriend be like let's. And also the fact that you have to re watch it. It's like holy. Do you see yourself ever hooking up with Steven again?

[Kristin Cavallari]

No. I went to dinner with him almost two years ago and we kissed. Which was fun. I mean we had had a couple drinks and yeah, we were. Yeah, it was just fun, you know.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Right.

[Kristin Cavallari]

And then I was actually dating someone. Someone at the time. You know, I'm just making up for lost time. And so I think that was kind of what the issue was, was that I was dating someone else, and it just kind of just didn't turn into anything.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Do you feel like you guys are like. Because you know how everyone's like, your first love, like, do you think there's any way you would explore it again?

[Kristin Cavallari]

No, I really. Once I'm done with someone, I'm done. It's like a light switch flips and I can't go back.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Are you guys having that moment? I actually feel like this is something I would think about in high school. It's like, are you guys having any of those moments where together, you kind of regress back to the high school version of yourself together? Because you. Do you even know adult versions of each other?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Well, we've kept in touch and we would hang out a little bit before I got married and stuff, but. And I think had we not gone to dinner almost two years ago, I don't know that the podcast would. I don't know that we would have. Well, I'm sure we would have had the same chemistry, but it put me at ease because I was like, I know that we still can, you know, banter back and forth, have fun together. So that was a good thing.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

You need to take us through the last date you went on.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Okay.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Where did you go? Did you like the person? Kristin, give us the tea.

[Kristin Cavallari]

This is a good story, actually.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Okay. Okay, tell us.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Here we go. So I hate actors. You know, I've always known that. Like, in my early 20s, I went out with a few, and I was like, they're the worst. But an actor asked me out. I was like, all right. So this was in la. This was probably like, two months ago. And went to Laurel Hardware. I hope he doesn't hear this.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

It's okay. I've gone on dates there, too. Let's just pretend it was me there. But you there, who was it? We don't know. Keep going. Laurel Hardware. That's a good place for drinks.

[Kristin Cavallari]

So he was slamming drinks. Like, slamming drinks. And then at one point, he was telling me he does his own stunts. We were sitting at the bar. Okay, it's fucking packed. He gets up to reenactment a stunt that he had done, accidentally runs into the waiter and is like, oh, I'm so sorry. I was like, please sit the down. I can't. Just creating all this commotion in the middle of Laurel Hardware.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

I am so turned off. You did. He tried to do a stunt, reenacting.

[Kristin Cavallari]

A stunt in the middle of a packed restaurant as, like, please sit down.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Also, like, just drawing so much attention.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Like, oh, my God.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Also, why are you doing a stunt in Laurel Hardware?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Sit the fuck down.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

And to confirm, anyone that's not from la, that is a packed bar. It is not a hard hardware store. Thank you very much.

[Kristin Cavallari]

It was awesome.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

So then, did you talk to him afterwards?

[Kristin Cavallari]

He's texted me a couple times and I can't be. I can't just like, go someone, right? But I give him like a one word response.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

I don't even know if we're in.

[Kristin Cavallari]

A serious relationship, dude. Literally.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Okay, so you're just kind of like, I get that. Wait, why do you think you can't ghost someone?

[Kristin Cavallari]

I'm too fucking nice. Which people would not know about me. I'm too nice.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Really?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah. I wouldn't want to be ghosted either. I would actually appreciate someone just being like. Like, hey, you know what? You're great. But, like, didn't feel any chemistry.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Totally.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Which I said that to another guy. I was like, hey, I didn't feel any chemistry. And his friends were making fun of me for weeks about it. I'm like, I actually thought I was being, like, mature, not wasting anyone's time.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

I love that.

[Alex Cooper]

What can they say to that?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Exactly. He deleted my number and told all his friends and everyone was making fun of me. I'm like, okay, well, that's. Thank you for validating why the fuck I don't like you. Right?

[Interviewer/Co-host]

And like, I'm an adult and like, sorry you couldn't take the fucking truth.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I'm trying not to waste anyone's time.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Like, move on if you are not having a good time on a date. Because I feel like this is me and I'm wondering if it would be you. They won't know that I'm not having it.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I know.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

I'm gonna, like, people please it up and be like, yeah, laughing. And then he's gonna think we're leaving and I'm having the best time and I'm not gonna talk to him. Can. Are you. Do you give signs on a date if you're not into it?

[Kristin Cavallari]

I know, because the same thing, like, I'll show up to the party, you know? But what I've been doing is I won't go on dinner dates. I will get a drink. Drink smart. They usually turn into dinner because, again, I'm too nice.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

But, like, like, this guy who was.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Acting out stunts got dinner with them.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Like, what am I doing? You're like, let's get the ravioli Dude.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I gotta go home. Yeah, so. Because I know. Because I need to come up with a better game plan. Like, oh, well, I have an early morning, you know.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Right.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Actually, this is another funny story. I almost want to say who it was with in my early 20s.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Okay, you have to uncall her, Daddy. Come on.

[Kristin Cavallari]

All right, I'll say it. Don't say it.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

It's in your early.

[Kristin Cavallari]

This is going. Don't say it. All right, I'll tell you the story. So I went on a date with a guy. This is my early 20s, height of my partying career. Right?

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Okay.

[Kristin Cavallari]

He was vegan and he was sober. And I was like, one or the other, Right? Preferably both, but. Or, like, be both. So I was like, I have an early morning. Well, sorry. Went back to his house, made out with him on his bed. I was like, I have a really early morning tomorrow. Gotta, you know, changed in my car, went to Hyde. I'm such a dumbass. Of course, there's paparazzi the next day. He was like, my friend saw you at Hyde. I was like, oh, really?

[Interviewer/Co-host]

You're like, it's so crazy. I was on my way home and I got an email that the event in the morning was canceled. So I thought you were asleep. I'm gonna go to Hyde.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I felt so. I felt so bad. And he. He's really cute. But, like, at the time in my life, totally. I'm eating me and I'm drinking a lot of alcohol. Oh, you can't do this.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

No, I actually respect the honesty, though, because I have done something similar where, like, if they're just not on your wavelength, and especially when you're in your early 20s and you're like, I am going to every club. I want to be known at that club.

[Kristin Cavallari]

My job is to go out right now. I don't think you understand that.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

And so it's like, even if they're a great guy, maybe if you met him later, by the way.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Well, I've seen him not that long ago, but, like, great guy, you know?

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Like, not meant for you. You were more interested in getting fucked up at Hyde, and I wanted to.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Go to Hyde, man.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Okay, can you tell us who is the most famous person you've denied?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Denied.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

God. What about initial? Your publicist is having a panic attack. What about, tell us the professor?

[Kristin Cavallari]

I didn't deny a lot of people back in the day, to be honest.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

You're like, did you just hear a famous. I'm staying on the date with the guy doing the stun Alex.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Everyone had dinner with him. All right, fine.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

No one's getting denied. Okay, how about this? You see someone in Instagram you find attractive, okay? How do you vet these people to see if they're worthy of you? DMing them and pursuing them?

[Kristin Cavallari]

I won't DM you.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Don't.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I won't make the first move on Instagram. Why? Okay, so where I'm at currently in my life, I want to be pursued. I want to be fucking courted. I want the man to put in some fucking effort. And I think because guys, now. So again, I was married. I was with Jay for 10 years. This is my first time dating in the social media world. Like, it's a fucking shit show out there. I hate every second of it. But guys are lazy as fuck now and they're always looking for the next best thing. So it's like, no, I'm sorry, I don't have time for your little bullshit anymore. Like, let me see how serious you are and put in the effort. So, no, I'm not making the first move.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

I've said, ladies, if you want something, slide the fuck in. But where you're at in your life also kind of dictates what you're going to do. So for you, I totally hear you. We're like, I'm not. I'm going to sit on my couch, drink my tea, and wait for the men to come in. And if they're not fucking Sidearra bitch, like, I don't give a fudge. Yeah, okay, I think that's a good one.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Thing I did do was I went to a show and I posted a story of this musician who I did end up dating. So he saw it, DM'd me. So, like, that, in a roundabout way, is kind of like making of pretty casual.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Yeah, I like that. That's a good way to do it.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

If you were going though, to slide into someone's dad, let's pretend like something hits you on a Sunday night. The kids are gone, you're bored, you're like, maybe I'll give it a try. What is. What is got to be fucking hot. Okay, true. I mean, what are going to slide in with if you had to?

[Kristin Cavallari]

If you like, what's my pickup line?

[Interviewer/Co-host]

What would you say? Hey, hi, Chris is like, I'm so lazy with it. Hi, period.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Okay, this is a fun game. Oh, God, what would I say? It really depends on the guy, the situation, where he lives. Like, if he lives in Nashville, like, it would be different than if he lived in la, right? Totally. I don't know. Like, shit. I don't, I don't know.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Because like Nashville, you could be like, like something about, like, like do you go to like something about something or like, hey, like, like are you in Nashville? Like something like that. If they're in a different state.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah. Then it's like la. I come out here quite a bit. So I be like, I'm going to be in LA and blah, blah, like.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

What are you up to?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, yeah. I do have good game. Like.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

We know.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Thank you.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

We watched it.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Still got it.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

You didn't like.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I do know that.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

That's what I. I think that's the best part. I remember watching on the Hills when you came back and you with Brody, he was like drooling because it was just like, you know how to get the guy sleep, Brody. Do you think that would ever go anywhere I've ever again?

[Kristin Cavallari]

No, I just saw him actually and I met his new girlfriend. I love Brody, but no, Brody's the only ex I ever went back to though. And it was because I was filming the Hills. Although on the show we didn't actually, actually date, but we hung out a little bit. I can't remember how it all, but what you saw on the show was all bullshit. Like he and Jade pretended to break up, but they never actually did. Like all that.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Dude, those fight scenes, I was like, kristen, how do you get yourself riled up to just scream in these? Is it easy for you to get riled up though when you're filming now?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Not anymore, but like back in the day. Oh yeah, when you showed up.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

I forget the scene, but you showed up. Oh my God. I remember your hair looked great. You were looking great. You showed up and you're like, you want to.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Oh my God. You came. God. I know. I was hammered. I watched that back and I was like, oh, Heidi and Spencer. It was my first day really filming. Heidi and Spencer came with bottles of tequila and it just went south.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

And when they showed you what I.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Was mad about though. So before I started filming, Audrey and I talked about how we know that they want us to fight and you know, they want you to go after Justin Bobby and we're not gonna fall for that shit. I was like, yeah, no we're not. Woo. And then we're filming and she comes up to me and picks a fight. And I was like, what? Oh. I said so. That's why I was like, so it's gonna be like that? Cuz I was like, what the.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

We just had this conversation that makes so much sense. Oh, my God, I forgot that. So it's gonna be like that. Really you and whatever. Like, am I crazy?

[Kristin Cavallari]

All of you? Game on.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

That actually makes a lot of sense how you got that riled up in that scene. Guys, just Google Kristen Cavallari. You came at me like piranhas. And you will watch the glorious moment that Kristen almost loses her shit. But it truly was such an iconic moment. And also, that's so good to know you were hammered because that line was so iconic.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I'm better when I have a little buzz. Like, that shit just comes out of my mouth.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

See, sometimes people look like idiots. Kristin's like, give me a fucking tequila and I will rock.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I perform way better.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

I love that. Okay, when you're looking at someone's Instagram, now that you're learning how to date with social media, what is a photo that. Laugh, guys. I can't. I feel like I've heard that since I came out of the fudgeing womb. I'm obsessed. It's the giggle. It's the cute one also, where the guys are endeared. And then it's also, like, sinister for women, being like, oh, my God, is she gonna cut my face off or.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Do I love me?

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Okay, wait, if you're going to a Guy's Instagram, he DMs you. You're like, okay, what could be a photo that you see that you're like, absolutely not.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Like, a shirtless selfie.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

The model photo. It's like, yeah, like, sorry, gym selfie.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

No, we don't need to see it.

[Kristin Cavallari]

No, be a man. A manly man who's not taking shirtless photos in the mirror.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

I agree. We don't. We don't need to see it.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Cool, bro. No one cares.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

I. I agree with you. Mine were the fishing photos. When they're, like, holding the big fish in the photo, and I'm like, sir. What?

[Kristin Cavallari]

That's your thing.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

I just can't. I just. I can't take it.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I'm from the Northeast.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

I just.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Okay. To be honest, I would actually love to find someone who's not on social media. Or maybe they have one, but, like, they really don't post. You know, like, that kind of.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

That's the goal. When I met my boyfriend, and I was like, what? Show me your Instagram. And he was like, I don't have one.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I was like.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

I was like, like, I will marry you, officially. Have a second date, buddy.

[Kristin Cavallari]

It was. That was so nice.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

You're going to find it you're going to find it.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I think so too.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Does someone's prior dating history in the industry affect if you're going to pursue them?

[Kristin Cavallari]

I would be lying if I said not at all. But if you've dated some fucking trash buckets, yeah, it kind of stands out.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Give us the definition of a trash.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Like a tr. Trashy girl.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Got it?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, like that. Because then I'm like, why would you be into me? I'm not saying I'm a saint, but you know what I mean.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Like, I'm not saying I'm not trashy too, but I have like my own category. No, no, but I get what you're saying. If, like you can tell the vibe of someone if they're dating someone completely different. Like, you're like, I have my business, I have my kids. Like, I don't got time to exactly.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Like, I'm just at a different phase in my life. The I put up with when I was 21 is totally different now.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

What. What is a non negotiable for you now? In a potential partner?

[Kristin Cavallari]

A non negotiable is someone who cannot take any accountability and who is insecure. I mean, honestly, I need someone who is so comfortable in their own skin because that's been the crux of most of my relationships.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

That makes sense.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Like, you can't. I've had that before too, where it's like. Because then it comes to you just constantly having to build them up and you're like.

[Kristin Cavallari]

And they're threatened by everything in my life and it's like, I can't. I don't have time for that anymore. I can't babysit you. Yeah.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Would you date an athlete again?

[Kristin Cavallari]

It's not at the top of my list. I'm like, I'm not. I'm not looking for one. They like me for some reason and so I wouldn't rule it out, but I'm not looking for that. And I would love to get. I mean, I'm fucking 35 now. Like, they're all a little young for me now. I've been attracting a lot of guys in their 20s, though. I don't know what that's about. I don't know what's going on. I mean, I've just decided that like 30s at least. Okay. Like in my perfect mind, I'm like 45, a businessman. Not on social media. No. Knows the fuck they are. But that's just not what I've been attracting. So I don't know.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

But maybe you're also at a point in your life where, like, since you're newly single and you're getting out there, like, maybe that's also. It's gonna shift, but, like, you're giving some great energy that, like, the young bucks are like, kind of still.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I'm like, like, you guys know I have three kids, right?

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Okay, cool.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I just want to throw that out there.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

It's like turning them on even more.

[Kristin Cavallari]

You're like, it's like a 26 year old just asked me out. I was like, 20 fucking. So I'm like, you're hot. But no, like, I can't.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

You're like, are you going to hide tonight?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Like, I've been there, done that, man. I can't.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Okay. If you could go on a date tomorrow with any person of your choice, okay. Who would it be?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Like, Alexander Skarsgrove guard. Is that how you say his name?

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Who is that?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Oh, Google him. Someone google him, please. Big little lies.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Yes.

[Kristin Cavallari]

I mean, maybe his character wasn't the best in that show, but, you know, he's been other.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Right? You're like, I don't want to base.

[Kristin Cavallari]

That off of that character.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

You're like, it's not because of the character. It's because of him.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Guys going, wow, you really worked through your.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Okay, that's. That's a good answer. Okay. As we wrap up, you are everywhere. I feel like when I was prepping for this interview, I'm like, I can't keep up with Kristin Cavallari enough. Do you feel exhausted by the fact that your income and your job is slightly dependent at times on you being in the public eye?

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, I do. Because honestly, if everything went away, I would be okay. But now that I'm a single woman, especially supporting three children, I have to keep my money coming in.

[Alex Cooper]

Right.

[Kristin Cavallari]

And so, yeah, it's kind of a. But in the same breath, what I'm doing now, I really love. Like the podcast for example, I've really enjoyed. And I do feel like because I live in Nashville, I can kind of separate a little bit and I go back to a really normal, peaceful life. And so I actually think I have a really good balance with everything right now.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

I think that's great.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

And being on tv, sometimes I feel like we get a version of you. Like you said, everyone's. I just learned that you weren't, like, the most confident girl in high school, and it's helpful to hear you be able to kind of like, debunk those myths about yourself through time. What is something you feel like people don't understand about you that you wish you could just, like, set straight. And they understood, like, who Kristin Cavallari is.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Well, I think there's obviously a lot of sides to my personality. I do have that, like, fiery go getter part that I think a lot of people do see. I also can be very shy and very reserved. I'm a homebody. I recharge by being quiet and having alone time. And I. I just think people would be surprised at what a normal life I live. Like, people always assume I have chefs and nannies and butlers. It's like, I don't have any of that shit, you know? And so I think. I don't know. I think I'm way more normal than people probably think.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

No, I love that you're explaining that. Because I think also, like, you could be in la, going to all the places, getting paparazzi all the time. Like, like, it's. It takes someone to, like, specifically try to, like, maneuver the world and not be photographed all the time. And there's ways to do it.

[Kristin Cavallari]

There is, yeah.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

But it's cool that you're, like, living in Nashville, you. Cuz isn't your house, like, not.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, I'm actually like 35 minutes outside of the city, like, out in the country.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

So you're living a pretty normal life when you're there.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yeah, I am. And the other thing too, is, like, I'm not seeking press. Like, obviously. I just did this video for my company with Tyler Cameron for Uncommon James, which I knew would get pressed, but that's different. That's for my company. I'm not like, out there trying to, like, like, be in the press and be in the media and, like, only date someone famous. And, like, I don't think like that. And so. And I think because I am in the press a lot, like. And I actually roll my eyes at that shit. I'm like, how the fuck are they creating a story out of nothing? I actually just had to, like, talk myself off the ledge the other day. Cause I was like, okay, look at it this way. At least you're being talked about. People care. It's like, you know, I have to just kind of, like, turn the narrative around in my head. Cause otherwise I'll drive myself insane.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Do you think it's helped you, though, that you have now. Now this brand that, like, now you're not just fully. It's not all about Kristen and who she's dating and your love life and your social life, because that's what it originally was. Now you have something you're like, no, this is my business. And this is like something that's completely independent of who I'm dating.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Yes. And that's how I can justify it. I'm like, well, if people are talking about me, my company benefits. And so it's all good. It's all good. Totally. Yeah.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

Kristen, thank you so much for coming on caller.

[Kristin Cavallari]

Daddy, thanks for having me. You're amazing.

[Interviewer/Co-host]

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