Alex Cooper (2:16)

Misha Barton. Welcome to Call Her Daddy.

Misha Barton (2:19)

Thank you. Thanks for having me.

Alex Cooper (2:21)

I'm so happy we're finally doing this. I know we've, like, wanted to do this for so long, and our schedules have been shit. And we're finally here, we're on the couch, we're cozy, we're ready to go.

Misha Barton (2:30)

We're doing it.

Alex Cooper (2:31)

So, Daddy gang, we're currently in New York, which is where you grew up and kind of like where you really, like, got your start. Do you plan on staying here long term? Like, is New York it for you?

Misha Barton (2:43)

I love New York. I mean, I Just feel more at home here. I've actually. I mean, this last year, like, since we first started, started talking, like, I've been spending a lot of time in London and Europe again. But, like, I get that kind of. Those kind of vibes when I'm in New York, and I get the culture and I. You know, I started in the theater. I love being able to, like, go to the theater all the time and, like, hang out in the cute little bookshops. And I love, like, the Village where I live. It's romantic and cute.

Alex Cooper (3:10)

It is. It's magical. I used to live here and, like, every time I come back, I'm like, yes.

Misha Barton (3:15)

You're an east coast girl, right?

Alex Cooper (3:17)

Pennsylvania.

Misha Barton (3:17)

Yeah.

Alex Cooper (3:18)

But you were born in London or. Yes.

Misha Barton (3:20)

Yeah, no, I was born London, and then we moved to New York when I was five and a half. So I. I actually had, like, a little British accent and the whole thing when I was a kid and had to lose it. I got teased mercilessly in school.

Alex Cooper (3:33)

Was that actually a good thing sometimes for, like, work? Could. Would they be, like, do a British accent and you couldn't, or do an American and you could?

Misha Barton (3:40)

Yeah, I still do. I mean, I'm very grateful for it because when I went to, like, they had to send me to a speech coach to, like, get a proper transatlantic accent.

Alex Cooper (3:50)

So they're like, be a Valley girl. You're like, oh, God.

Misha Barton (3:53)

Well, that was. That's really hard for. Believe it or not, that's more complicated. It took living in LA for years to be able to understand what that even was, because I only moved to LA for the OC So, like, they were like. They would always be like, can you sound more like, you know, you're from the Valley or more Orange County? And I was like, I don't actually. Like, I've never been to Orange County. I don't actually know what that is.

Alex Cooper (4:18)

You know what's weird, though? Listening to you talk, you're so right. You have this, like, eloquent, tiny twang underneath, and it is clearly from that, like, English background. So you got a great voice. Going back to the beginning, what were you like as a kid?

Misha Barton (4:32)

I was pretty serious and very shy at first. So, like, I was, like, painfully shy and kind of awkward, I guess. Like, not very, but very serious.

Alex Cooper (4:45)

When we think of actors and actresses, I feel like people that can't relate are always like, oh, my gosh. They're, like, the most outgoing and. And then I feel like every time I speak to an actor, they're like, no, I'm insecure. I was, like, trying to find my voice. So, like, acting helped. Like, how did you then find yourself, like, putting yourself in these situations?

Misha Barton (5:02)

I got into it by. I didn't want to do any of, like, the outdoor activities at camp, but so I wrote this, like, monologue, and then that was what you all had to perform or show what you'd been doing all summer at camp. And so, like, my big sister had been, like, horseback riding and doing all this stuff, and I was just, like, sitting there writing, and I performed the monologue. And then, like, I guess someone's parent in the audience was an agent at a literary agency here in New York and was like, oh, well, she should definitely get into acting. And so, like, I tried it, and, yeah, the rest is history.

Alex Cooper (5:37)

When I think about child actors, I always am like, okay, I can't imagine your social life in school, but was your experience, like, you were the cool kid in school, or were you getting bullied or was you were just kind of, like, fitting in?

Misha Barton (5:52)

I was always a bit, like, on the outside, I only had, like, one best friend, and I was friends with a lot of the boys, but it was always, like, me and this girl, Laura Katzman, and, like, it was just the two of us, and we were kind of, like, outsiders, and, like, we were considered a bit, like, you know. Yeah, gothic, a bit weird, a bit, like, off the beaten. So we weren't popular? No. Yeah, that definitely wasn't the case. And I got teased once. The Sixth Sense and stuff came out, and the kids realized that I was, like, you know, in movies. Then I got teased, and I did not want to be homeschooled. They tried, and I fought that tooth and nail. I just acted up until they sent me back to school. I just didn't want to be stuck at home with my sister and, like, get taken away from, like, that social. Like, it was so important to me to, like, have some semblance of a normal kind of. I enjoyed school. Like, I really genuinely enjoyed learning. And, like, I didn't want to become that, like, weirdo kid who was isolated, who had no, like, social kind of interaction.

Alex Cooper (6:52)

Right. You're like, let me be like, gothic with my one friend in the cafeteria.

Alex Cooper (6:57)

Mom.

Alex Cooper (6:57)

Like, let me live, okay?

Misha Barton (6:59)

Like, I was important to me.

Alex Cooper (7:01)

So after high school, you had plans to go to Yale.

Misha Barton (7:05)

There was an early acceptance to the drama program, which I wanted to do.

Alex Cooper (7:09)

That's like, a huge deal. And then you decided not to go?

Misha Barton (7:12)

I got cast in the OC When I was, you Know, it was right at that kind of pivotal moment where it was gonna like, kind of. Yeah, affect the rest of your life. And I fought it originally. I didn't really want to do it, but I flew out and I kind of did an episode on another series, like a different series that MCG was doing. And basically everyone was like, you have to take this opportunity. You have to. Because it's like, it's a big role and it's a life changing thing.

Alex Cooper (7:42)

Do you ever look back at that decision and like, question, like, I mean.

Misha Barton (7:46)

Yeah, but like, I'm still like that. Like, I live near nyu. Every day I walk by, I'm like, I used to sit in the back of like some of my friends lectures and classes that were going to Columbia and NYU and stuff. And I would just, just like. I mean, I was obsessed with school culture and learning. I really enjoyed it.

Alex Cooper (8:04)

I'm gonna walk past nyu, like tomorrow and I'm like, is that Misha? You're like sitting in the classes?

Misha Barton (8:10)

Yeah, but I do, I find it fascinating. I mean, like, you know, my big sister, she's so smart. I mean, she studied law, politics, economics. And like, it was always like, she went to the University of Edinburgh in the end. But like, yeah, I don't know, I was always very jealous of, of that. But yeah, it always kind of didn't sit well with me that I didn't get to do university, that I didn't get to go to college.

Alex Cooper (8:32)

So we talk about the oc. We gotta get into it. You mentioned you obviously did took that instead of going to college. Obviously the OC was this phenomenon that I don't know if anyone expected it, but like, it is still iconic to this day. People still talk about it. Covid, everyone's rewatching it. Like new people are finding the show. I'm curious, like, did you have any idea that it was going to be as big as it was?

Misha Barton (8:55)

Not really, no. I think the first time that we realized was when we went to the first premiere episode of it and like, we literally thought that that whole crowd was there for something else. And we were all like. I remember we were all riding in the same van together and like, we looked over and we were like, what's that? And they were like, no, that's like the premiere for your show. That's where you're going.

Alex Cooper (9:17)

You were obviously the youngest of everyone basically on that cast. You were 17 at the time and everyone was in their 20s, 30s, 40s. What was the dynamic initially like with you and your castmates? You being 17?

Misha Barton (9:33)

Well, I think it was a bit tricky for everyone because like, you know, just having like I was experiencing all of my firsts and like I was so young and like, you know, my mom would be on set and yeah, I just needed a lot more like attention in that sense because I had my mom there and there was stuff going on and I was just finishing up school and so, you know, they like, it was a lot of my firsts, let's put it like that. And I. That kind of really like separated me a little bit from them in the sense that like I wasn't out there living on my own in LA yet.

Alex Cooper (10:09)

You know, I didn't realize that the romantic partner that you had on your on screen relationship with the character Ryan Atwood, with Marissa, you being 17 at the time, I didn't realize he was 25. And so like again, as a 17 year old playing across a 25 year old, like, that's a pretty big age gap. How did you feel about that? Like, romantic on screen relationship?

Misha Barton (10:33)

Yeah, it wasn't just on screen either. I mean, it was kind of complicated for me because like I said, like, I went into that like a virgin, like a kid, like really feeling like I needed to grow up quickly to portray like, you know, acting with people older than me was a bit like, oh, wow, like they know what they're doing and like there's gonna be like relationships on this show and you're gonna need to like play that part. And I didn't feel really ready for that. Cause I was always like a really late bloomer in school and I hadn't really dated and I had. Yeah, I just had like no idea what I was doing really. So I felt like I needed to catch up I think a lot of the time.

Alex Cooper (11:15)

So you had a relationship with.

Misha Barton (11:18)

Yeah, I mean that was my first. Like I had no idea like what I was doing, you know. And I think that kind of set things off on the wrong foot too because it was like, you know, people hook up on these shows and whatever and like these things happen, but it was it. We threw ourselves all into it very fast and like then, you know, when you break up and like things don't work and they see you dating other people and you know, like, notoriously there was a lot of like interdating on that show and different people getting together. But I, Yeah, it was, it definitely was tricky that it happened like right out of the gate and that like I felt overwhelmed and not ready for any of that and kind of like you know, they were also like, I remember they were like, Misha's disappeared with Ben and like, she's only 17 and a half, 18, like, and the producers, like, went to my parents and were like, you know, it was like a very. It was kind of a whole ordeal. And so, like, that's in the very beginning of the show before we're even like halfway through a season. So there was a lot going on there. That show, it just so much happened in three seasons. It really feels like it was over the course of like seven years or something, but it wasn't. It was like all crammed into this tiny little space.

Alex Cooper (12:36)

I didn't understand how much, and I'm not saying this happened in your case, but, like, I didn't understand how much directors, like, are really like, promoting. Yes. Like, hang out together and be together. Like, it works for chemistry. But was that your case where they supported it?

Misha Barton (12:51)

Yeah, I mean, it kind of felt like a double edged sword because, like, you know, exactly what you said. They're like, oh, we want it to seem like you guys are all friends and that you have chemistry and we need this to really work and make it look like you guys have this chemistry and then you sort of get punished for it on the flip side, and they're like, oh, but not so much that it like, affects the. Our production or like, what's going on here. And there's nothing you can really do about that because it's too late. Like. And, you know, I feel like when I was that young, so, like, in first relationships, like, you just kind of know what you don't want, you don't know what you do want, and so you kind of like panic and try to like. Yeah, so it was definitely a tricky balance to strike.

Alex Cooper (13:35)

How did you emotionally and mentally handle a dynamic where you still have to see someone every day and, like, be cordial, but.

Misha Barton (13:43)

Well, I mean, yeah, we just had to like, suck it up and get on with it. And there was. But there was a lot of, like, jabs behind the scenes and off camera and kind of like, you know. Yeah, I felt. I felt like that kind of ostracized me as well because, like, you know, there was a marked difference in like, maturity level there. And so, like, it was. Yeah. I don't know what to say about it. We got through it. A lot of jokes, a lot of like, you know, I really loved our career and I did feel that they were really there for us and that it was like a family. And that part was positive. And like, I remember Rachel was saying to me recently, like, she looks back at the scene where we're all playing, like, chicken in the pool and stuff, and it's like, those were genuinely happy moments where we could forget about, like, all the pressure that was on us. And, like, and it was really hard because, you know, you would be out getting photographed with different people. And, like, I did start dating. And then, you know, you try not to bring that on set when people are, you know, you just try to let it go at the door and kind of get on with it and keep working.

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Alex Cooper (16:59)

Did you end the relationship?

Misha Barton (17:01)

Yeah, I mean, I. Yeah, I drew. I think, you know, like one of those things you're so young, you've realized, like, I'm not ready for that. Like, I have no idea what I'm doing.

Alex Cooper (17:09)

Yeah, it's overwhelming.

Misha Barton (17:11)

Yeah. Overwhelming. And just, like, too close to home. Like, you can't. It would be a very, very tricky thing to keep going on set. And I think, you know, Adam and Rachel, like, we all kind of experienced that in some form or another. But again, I just felt, like, not mature enough, like, younger than them in that sense. I'd not dated before, and I was not aware of. And I think he was, like, really angry with me to begin with and, like, kind of, like. And I felt the punishment of that. Like, I felt that from the producers as well, that they were not, like, happy about that. But, like, that's where the. Like, there was such great chemistry between the characters. And I think, like, people did fall in love with them because there was, like, genuine friendship and love there on some level, you know.

Alex Cooper (17:58)

Such a good point. Like, I remember when I was. I had Rachel on my show, and we talked about her and Adam and, like, the chemistry between the cast, the Core 4, it was, like, overwhelming for people. And we romanticized it so much. And I could imagine. You're right, like, ending relationships, like, Adam and Rachel at one point, like, it.

Misha Barton (18:16)

Was so heightened, but that sexual tension was there. And it really, like, it reads like even when you're looking at the scenes on, like, the Ferris wheel and stuff. And, like, you know, I think we, like, kind of hated each other at that point, but, like, there was still this, like, intense kind of, like, tension there. And so it really worked for. For the show.

Alex Cooper (18:37)

Can I ask if you lost your virginity when you were filming Doc? Is that kind of what. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Misha Barton (18:41)

Like, that's what I'm saying. Like, I was just such a. Like, I had no idea about relationships at all or sex. And so, like, it was kind of just like a whole learning curve for me.

Alex Cooper (18:51)

You had mentioned there was bullying on set in, like, an interview, and I'm curious if, like, you can talk about that a little bit as, like, being in that position. Like, how do you deal with that?

Misha Barton (19:01)

There was just kind of, like, back talk between people, and, like, there was. It's. I think I heard you say this of one of your interviews. It's typical that in these sets where, like, everybody. That not everybody is gonna get along. And even with, like, the secondary characters and, like, guest stars and people who came in, you know, there are going to be clashes. There are going to. People who are going to create rumors and make stuff up and, like. And I think I was just very sensitive to that because I was so young and, like, finding out that, like, maybe people were talking about you behind your back was. I was particularly, like, sensitive to that. It felt like high school, but in the real world and very elevated and very magnified. So totally. Yeah.

Alex Cooper (19:48)

Marissa, the character you played was, like, the it girl. Like, she's partying, she can get all the boys, she's got, like, the family drama. She's getting into trouble. I'm curious, like, did you relate to anything that she was going through?

Misha Barton (20:01)

I found those places in her, I guess. I mean, like, I. Yeah, I started to more and more. I think that's why they wrote so much drama for her in there, like, the relationship with her parents and stuff, because that was the stuff that I could. I felt that, you know, emotional turmoil and angst in my life going on outside of the show. And so it was easier for me to play into that, and so I did. So start. You can't help but start to relate to your character when you're playing somebody day in and day out. There is this bizarre kind of, like, emergence of the two. And even, like, my social life outside of the show took on a very weird turn with me dating, like, you know, like, a typical, like, rich LA kid. And, like, some of that kind of, like. And because of the fame and the paparazzi and stuff, it kind of, like, all took on a weird turmoil around. So the character ended up, like, that's what we played up in her as well, because I really was going through a lot of growing pains and kind of coming into my own. And so the things I related to most was, like, her. Her inner turmoil.

Alex Cooper (21:08)

You leave at the end of season three. It still, to this day is like, one of, I feel, like, the most heartbreaking moments on tv. Your character dies. How did you decide?

Misha Barton (21:20)

Spoiler alert.

Alex Cooper (21:21)

By the way, if you're watching on TikTok, turn this off. I'm like, so Marissa dies. How did you decide to leave the show? Was it your decision?

Misha Barton (21:31)

That's complicated. You know, things had not been going. Like, they really needed, like, a huge cliffhanger. Something had to give. Something had to change. And I'm like, to be really honest, like, you know, I think as Josh and Stephanie were writing it, they knew they needed something huge. And the obvious thing was, like, how much more can we really do with Marissa? Like, really, what more can she do? She's, like, experienced, like, with drugs, her sexuality with, like. And they'd written so many things and they were such quick succession of arcs like, that she was kind of like a character that was spiraling out of control. And at the same time in my life, like, you know, I was getting so much attention, and there were other things going on, like, people trying to write other roles for me, and I would not be released from the show. I could not go do anything else. So, like, you know, even, like, Stan Lee was writing, like, a comic book character for me. Like, there was no way that they were gonna let me out to go do anything outside of the show, because that's just how it is. You're like. And so I think it was the obvious choice, the friction just between my team at the time and them and, like, how I did seem to be the most alienated one and a bit a fish out of water. Like, I think that was, like, it was an obvious choice. And we, like, I don't know. I mean, Josh and Stephanie have their own ideas of how they ended it, and they say that they regret, like, a lot of, like, how they did handle it. But I thought it made the most sense for her to go out with a bang. She wasn't really a character that I thought, you know, should just, like, fade off into oblivion or, like, you know, ride off into the sunset. Like, she had to go somewhere. And I felt like that was the right thing for her.

Alex Cooper (23:22)

Do you remember the feeling of when the world saw that scene? Like, did you pay attention to how many people were so devastated? Were you overwhelmed?

Misha Barton (23:29)

It was crazy. I had people crying in airports to be like. People would come up to me on the street and be like, can I hug you? Like, I mean, people wanted to, like, physically touch me. They were just very, like, concerned about what had happened with the character because.

Alex Cooper (23:41)

They'Re like, you're alive.

Misha Barton (23:42)

Really upset people, and especially upset young girls, and rightfully so. I mean, it should, like, you know, she had taken it too far and, like. But all the best characters do. And, like, all the best characters kind of, like, you know, have some huge tragedy. Hers is a bit final, but just.

Alex Cooper (24:03)

When you went on the OC Rewatch podcast with the girls, I remember watching you, like, you looked upset when you were watching that final scene. You were like, oh, my God.

Misha Barton (24:12)

Well, I haven't watched it maybe ever, actually.

Alex Cooper (24:15)

Is there a reason?

Misha Barton (24:17)

Well, I never sat down and watched the show as it was airing. It was not something. So, like, a lot of it I hadn't scene. And that one in particular, I hadn't seen it since we shot it, and I forgot so Much about it, like, the fact that there's no music. There is a really a choice because the show was so music driven and that whole thing is just kind of like, silent. And then, you know, the flames in the car, like, I didn't remember it being quite that dramatic the way the car is actually on fire. And like, oh, girl, it was dramatic.

Alex Cooper (24:50)

You had me in tears. And then Alleluia starts playing, and then you're like. But when you watched it and you were like, okay, let's turn this off. It's going to get emotional. Like, what did it bring up for you, seeing that scene? Because it felt like you were, like, upset.

Misha Barton (25:05)

We were upset on set that day. A lot of the crew were really sorry to see me go, and they were pretty upset. And it was a lot of goodbyes and, like, you know, putting on a brave face about the whole thing. But basically, like, I mean, I would always make. Make light of everything, and we were like, more blood, more drama, like, you know, and. But it was. It was a sad time because we were. We were sorry to leave each other, you know. Yeah, they really were like a family to me. A lot of the guys and, you know, the heads of department on that show were really there for me.

Alex Cooper (25:37)

Yeah.

Misha Barton (25:37)

Through tough times, you know.

Alex Cooper (25:39)

How would you describe that time of your life, like, after the OC it.

Misha Barton (25:43)

Was an intense time. It was because I think the thing that I hadn't really wrapped my head around was, like, the amount of worldwide fame that show actually got, and so there wasn't anywhere to really hide. And I think what overwhelmed me was, like, I was doing all these campaigns and, like, there were times when I only had a few days off in the year. There was a lot of friction at home. There was, like, really no place for me to go that felt calm. And there was just a lot of pressure being put on me by. By people who expected the most out of me constantly. And so, like, I never really, like, there were some years there where, like, there was only, like, maybe two days off in the year, like, and I didn't. So I. And, like, what really got me would be going to somewhere like Australia or the. Wherever you would think would be, like, the middle of nowhere to, like. And then still having, you know, pictures surface of you. And, like, I just. It felt like I could never really get away from anything and I had no privacy.

Alex Cooper (26:47)

The paparazzi were absolutely obsessed with you. It was, like, insane. Can you talk about some of, like, the, like, details of, like, the way that they would try to get to you to like really embody what you were going through.

Misha Barton (27:00)

It was dangerous most of the time. And also just extremely invasive. I mean, the lengths that they would go to to like tap phones and conversations and like find out where you were going and track your car and stuff. I mean, the lengths they went to were, were pretty absurd.

Alex Cooper (27:18)

I like think I read somewhere you said something like they would like give homeless people phones.

Misha Barton (27:23)

No, they really did. They would give people like in the Malibu like Country Mart and stuff and people on Rodeo. They would give like random people like phones and they would say, like, if you ever see a celebrity show up, I'm the first person you should call. Like, like, I'll give you 50 bucks, 100 bucks, whatever it is. If you tip me off that you see like Misha or Nicole or any of these girls coming down here to like go shopping or go to lunch. That way they wouldn't have to like sit there all day and wait themselves.

Alex Cooper (27:49)

In the car like lazy piece of shit. Okay. You couldn't just wait there yourself. I mean, that's just insane. And you're right, like it was a different time. And I think maybe with social media now, like, there's just more access so it's less intense.

Misha Barton (28:04)

You can't get away with the same level of invasion of privacy. And you're right, like, it's better. I think people have lived and learned, like the nice thing about social media is like, and the way it is now, you can give access to what you want to give access to. And so if you share more, then there's less of this kind of insane wall to try to get behind. So they're not literally scaling the walls to celebrities homes anymore. Because you're in there like posting about your life and you're sharing more about your personal life. And so it doesn't have that kind of intense. The stakes aren't so high.

Alex Cooper (28:39)

You, I think had said at one point, you're some someone on your team around you started to give you like prescription drugs. When did that start happening? And like, how did, how did that happen?

Misha Barton (28:49)

It was happening even towards the end of the OC.

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Alex Cooper (32:13)

Someone on your team around you started to give you, like, prescription drugs. When did that start happening? And, like, how did. How did that happen?

Misha Barton (32:20)

It was happening even towards the end of the OC like, it was put into the contract that I had to have a sober coach with me. And so then, like, I was being watched 24 7, but, like, it was still very popular in those days, like, to still be prescribing, like, Xanax and things for, like, you know, like, whatever. Like, if you were under a lot of duress or stress, they'd be like, this is what you need to do to, like, kind of get through it. And it was just being constantly told what to do by people every second and micromanaged in every single way. And I think that that just became. I don't think it did become overwhelming for me. And it wasn't like, there never really was a proper break. There was never really a moment. And, like, I remember coming back home, like, they were very concerned. Like, I walked into my house and there was, like, you know, like, 10 guys in suits all sitting around, like, talking to my. I was like, what is this? And they were like, well, you have to go do a project in, like, two weeks. Like, are you gonna be ready? So it just kind of all started compounding.

Alex Cooper (33:25)

Like, you're saying the men in suits were there to, like.

Misha Barton (33:27)

Like, it was just people from, like, all over. Like, the agency, like, producers. Like, the people really wanted to know that I was gonna be performing and. And doing, like, the schedule that they expected me to stick to. And. And, like, I mean, I don't think that would even. Like. I don't think you could really do that with actors now. Like, now if you say to somebody, like, I'm. I'm not doing well, or I'd like it. There are, like, trigger words that you can. Like, where they're like, okay, well, we have to leave this person alone. Like, she needs, like, a few days off or she needs some time to herself. Like, that wasn't the case then. And I've listened to other actors talk about that too, where they were kind of like. I mean, it's a big deal when you're helming a whole show and everybody's jobs are Relying on you and situations like that.

Alex Cooper (34:17)

So that's an interesting point. Like, mental health wise, like, no one was having conversations the way that they were now. So, like, like. Because all I'm thinking about is anyone, like, asking you, like, misha, are you okay? Like, do you need a break? And instead, everyone's like, how are we gonna get you out the door the next day? Like, take this pill. Like, everybody's here. Like, we need to. You're making us all money, so let's go out the door. That's a lot of responsibility and a lot of weight to put on a young girl that's been doing this for so long. Like, the beginning of this interview, I'm like, you're 10. When you get your first movie, your mom, your relationship with your mother. At one point, you did fire her as your manager. Like, what was the dynamic that led to that? And then how did you get back to a relationship?

Misha Barton (35:00)

It just wasn't healthy. And I mean, it's still, like, you know, I've just. In my life, I've really learned to prioritize, like, my chosen family and, like, the people who have really actually been there for me. I don't rely on, like, any one particular family member anymore. Like, I've learned that for my own happiness. And, like, those relationships, I think, in life, to be honest, are the most toxic because you feel like you can say or do whatever you want to somebody because you're related. And I've found that those have been the hardest for me to really understand. So, I mean, I'm completely independent now, and I do everything for me. And, you know, like, it's led to my, like, sobriety and happiness, and, like, I've had to watch other people crumble, and it's been hard to watch. But, like, you know, I'm just grateful that I've been able to kind of find the people in my life who have been there for me consistently and consistently shown up for me. And so, like, that's led to where I am now, which is, like, healthy and sober and happy and, like, you know, but unfortunately, I've had to lose a lot of family members along the way. And so, like, you know, there are people in this industry who understand that there are a lot of people. It's. It's unfortunate, but it's sometimes, like, the reality of the world is that.

Alex Cooper (36:30)

I think it's a good point, though, and I think I've talked about that on my show before. Like, family. The word family is so just by the way that you define it, like, it doesn't have to be blood, and you can make your own family and, like, the family that you're born into. It doesn't mean that. It doesn't mean anything. It's like, if you're not getting treated correctly, like, then you need to adjust your relationships and you need to reevaluate. And just because it's blood doesn't mean, like, you have to stay and you have to. Of course we're gonna fight for things to a certain degree, but when it's so unhealthy, seeing things online of, like, potentially family members, like, stealing money from you, like, how do you get to a place where you can, like, be in relationships moving forward and, like, trust people from previous things that have been, like, so heartbreaking and happening to you?

Misha Barton (37:15)

Yeah, there has been a lot of heartbreak. I think that, like, for me, the thing that is, like, I have to, like, really concentrate on myself because it sounds cliche, but, like, you know, unless you love yourself and love you and, like, can spend the time with you, you're the person you have to answer to, you know, and, like, nobody else. And I've had other people. I've been. Yeah. Stolen from and lied to in so many different ways over the course of, you know, the last 10, 15 years especially. And, like, it's only in the last, like, two, three years even maybe, that I feel like I have really taken responsibility for it and for myself and, like, been like, you know what? The only thing that I can do is just be happy, healthy and sober and working out. And, like, that's the only thing that's really gonna, like, make. Make my life worth living. Because I had given up for a while there. Like, I was very. I just felt so. I don't know. I don't know. It makes me emotional because I felt really alone. Yeah. So, I mean. Yeah, it really has been just, like, cutting people out of my life. Truly.

Alex Cooper (38:38)

Thank you for sharing that, because I.

Alex Cooper (38:40)

Can imagine it's so hard when I'm like, you're talking about your family and you're talking about literally getting stolen from. You're like, how do you. Like, that's something that is, like, you couldn't feel. How could you feel not alone? Like, the people that you usually would turn to. To be like. Yeah.

Misha Barton (38:58)

I mean, I think that, you know, I have to believe that in life, everybody does things thinking they're doing it for the right reason and maybe, like, with good intentions, but sometimes, like, there isn't always good intentions, and sometimes you can't really explain why people do what they do. And. And, yeah, it's a tricky one. And I think in family especially, it's a tricky one. And you can just minimize your contact with those kinds of people. And moving forward, be careful about. Because I can tend to be a very open and trusting and kind of naive person for a long time there. And I, you know, I had it happen kind of repeatedly to me in both, like, relationships as well, people using me. And so I realized that, yeah, I don't know. I mean, like, maybe I wasn't the best judge of character for a while there and to stop making excuses for other people, because I think for a long time I was making excuses because you don't want to believe that somebody would, like, you know.

Alex Cooper (40:08)

Of course I'm curious, Misha, like, when you were alone in those moments, like, how did you keep going? Because I'm trying to put myself in your shoes of, like, knowing the closest people to you are kind of, like, just completely abandoning you. There's no trust. You're getting stolen from. Like, how did you keep even going?

Misha Barton (40:28)

I mean, a lot of therapy and a lot of just, like, cutting people out and working on my. And, like, strength comes at the darkest times, you know. I mean, I've found my strength. And when I was younger, like, I didn't think I was. I thought I was gonna, like, be dead by 27. I was gonna be part of that 27 club. It was like. It was like, live young and fast. And, like, you know, I was like, I. I really didn't give a shit. I was reckless. I was over it. I didn't really, you know, wanna be doing stuff for other people anymore. I didn't want to be, like, you know, the person that everybody needed to be making the money and doing the this and the that. And then, like, you know, I think when I got to my 30s and I was like, shit, I'm still here. I'm still going, and I'm stronger than I was then, you know, And I've been through so much, and these experiences haven't killed me, and they've made me so much stronger. And I've been to court. I've fought for my rights. I've fought for my freedoms, and I've. You know, like, when you get past that and out on the other side, then your whole perspective on life and everything changes because you're like, I am strong, right? I'm strong. And I used to get so upset with people because they'd be like, you're the strongest person I know. And that really felt like an insult after a while because it just felt like, well, why. Why do all these things keep happening to me? But it's true. I mean, you really do, when the chips are down, find that strength in yourself, you know?

Alex Cooper (41:56)

Yeah. I mean, I'm so sorry because I can't imagine, like, being at a place where you are almost, like, aware that the end could be near for yourself because of what's happening in your life. Like, I.

Misha Barton (42:09)

Well, I romanticized all of that. Kind of like rock and roll. Just like, you know, I was just like, I. I had kind of made up my mind that it wasn't gonna, like, yeah. That there was no real kind of longevity in it for me that I just didn't want to. I didn't care to, like, keep going. And then. Yeah, like I said, I think just, I can't stand injustices in life and like, I really can't stand when people do take advantage of people. And I think that's where the strength really came from, is just like, you know what? Like, I'm not gonna take this and like, yeah, fuck that. Like, I'm not gonna sit by and watch these people do that.

Alex Cooper (42:53)

Talking about that time in your life where, like, it was kind of like I was romanticizing it. It was like f. Like. So in 2007, you were arrested for a DUI, and a few years later you were held in a psychiatric hospital behind closed doors. Like, what was happening with you at that point?

Misha Barton (43:14)

Well, the dui, I mean, I don't really know what to say about that. That was just. It was what it was. It was like, it was a straight up, like, we were out one night and yeah, that was. It was stupid. I got a dui. The psychiatrist stuff like that was just like having a full blown breakdown. And like, I mean, that time, it was really. I was. I was drugged. Somebody had slipped me roofies and I was. It was ghb and I'm lucky to be alive. Like, I mean, I just happened to be, like, I overdosed. And so there was so many things that other people did to me that felt like, so aggressively, like, wrong. And, you know, I don't think that I realized how dangerous that seedy side of LA can be. And like, I had been kind of really protected and sheltered for a long time. And when I kind of got out there in the, like, you know, and I was like, I want to live my life. I want to be a normal person, whatever that means. And like, go to, like, go to these parties, go do this stuff and then it's like, you know, you end up in a situation like that. It's so. Yeah, I mean, you really do. You live and you learn. And that was. Yeah, that was. I mean, it was. I just had a full blown breakdown.

Alex Cooper (44:25)

From that when I heard you say like. It was so annoying hearing people say, like, you're so strong. You're so strong. You're like. But why does this all have to keep fucking happening to me?

Misha Barton (44:33)

It was just hard people saying that. I mean, like, you know, even like my boyfriends and all my friends around me would constantly say that, but I didn't feel as strong as I think I was coming across. You know, I do have this like kind of like British thing of like, suck it up, just move on. Like, kind of don't show your feelings. Like, just kind of try to keep like a good exterior to you, you know, it's only in the last few years that I really feel that, like, from the inside out. For a long time I didn't really feel that strength to the degree that I do now.

Alex Cooper (45:11)

I was thinking about, like, of all the. When you're saying, you know, like, people basically taking advantage of you. In 2017, one of your ex boyfriends you found out had filmed you when you were having sex and was going. And trying to shop the sex tape.

Misha Barton (45:26)

Yeah.

Alex Cooper (45:27)

Can you take me back to the moment where you realized that even, like, existed and what you were going through?

Misha Barton (45:32)

It was a disaster. It was an absolute fucking nightmare. But I mean. Yeah, I don't like to go back there, but I will tell you, I mean, it was it. Yeah. Shady. Don't. Boys who live together in a house probably. Red flag. Too many computers, red flag. I mean, like, the whole thing was just like, in hindsight, red flags everywhere. But like, I mean, in the bathroom, in the living room, like the whole, like just constant. Yeah, it was no idea. No idea. Absolutely no idea. Somebody actually showed it to me and I was like. One of his friends came to me and warned me and I didn't think it was possible that some of that was real. And it was. I mean, and apparently he was even caught saying to somebody, like, he knew that Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton and all these people had had sex tapes and that like, I was one of the only girls who wouldn't like. And I mean, if you know me, I'm like quite. I'm very private and really prudish when it comes to, like, sexual relationships and what I share. And so that was just like, I Mean, I thought my world was ending. It was literally like the worst thing that anybody could do to me. I mean, forget all the other things that people have done to me. That for me was like, no, I cannot go on if this person manages to do this to me. And so, like, I was at a friend's house in the Hollywood Hills, I remember, and she woke me up and she was like, oh, my God, there's a rumor going around that, that there is like, footage. And I was like, of what? Like, what can it possibly be? That was a whole crazy experience. I became my own detective and I went and went to the LAPD and I was constantly contacting, like, the sex crimes. Like, I did my own surveillance of him and his friends found him, like, yeah. So I. I had to turn into like a full blown vigilante there for a minute.

Alex Cooper (47:37)

And did you?

Misha Barton (47:38)

Glad I did.

Alex Cooper (47:39)

Abso fucking lutely. When you found also out, like, did you have a conversation with him? Did you not speak to him again?

Misha Barton (47:45)

God, no. No, I mean, like, he disappeared. He upped and like, I mean, it was already over the, like, it was just a, like a two week thing. And it was so. He'd already gotten what he wanted. He was long gone. I had to like, track him and his friends down and I mean, yeah, it was like a nightmare. Like, going into court, getting all these restraining orders constantly showing up for over a year, like a year and a half over a long period of time. And if I hadn't had the support I'd had from lawyers and from other women who were more aware of it, and there was no real laws at the time, like, the LAPD were like, oh, we deal with stuff. Like, yeah, we have. We know this stuff goes on. But I'll never forget walking into the police station and like giving them the address of the house where I thought most of it happened. And they brought it up on the. And the cop turns the computer around and he goes, is that him? And he was actually there on Google Maps in front of the apartment building with his dog. And I was like, I mean, like, when I say the detective in me, like, came out. You have no idea.

Alex Cooper (48:54)

You're like, let's go get this mother.

Misha Barton (48:56)

You have no idea.

Alex Cooper (48:57)

So did you date this guy for two weeks?

Misha Barton (48:59)

Yeah, it's just like a like two week fling. Shocking what goes through people's minds, like where they see opportunity, isn't it?

Alex Cooper (49:08)

It's just so sick how, how it happens. Any woman listening, like, if they're going through this, like, it is not your fault. It is illegal and it's a crime. I'm curious when of everything, like, that's just you've been through in your life. Are you resentful at all?

Misha Barton (49:24)

No, no. I mean, there are people that I look back on and I'm like, you know, I definitely can't stand them. I'm glad that they're not in my life anymore. And I blame them for some of the things that kind of went on around that time period. But no, I mean, I don't think you can be resentful in life. I think I still have. I like to think, like, a great sense of humor about things and like to be. I keep things very light hearted and I keep my chosen family very close and the family that I do choose to speak to very close. And like, you can't be resentful in life. You may as well. It's all over if you're gonna get like that, you know, you may as well be dead. Like, what's the point? You can't sit around and hate people for the things that happen. You have to learn and grow and mature from those situations and like evolve, you know, I mean, life is one big, like, learning curve and story and so, like, you know, you just. All you can do is like, learn and grow. And I'm actually very grateful. Grateful for that. You know, in the bigger picture, like, it's made me. Yeah, it's definitely made me who I am today.

Alex Cooper (50:40)

If you could say something to yourself when you were at that point where you had the mentality of like, it, I'll be in the 27 Club. Like, what do you wish you could say to Misha?

Misha Barton (50:51)

Now you're gonna be here 10 years later sitting on a couch talking to Alex Cooper about it. So get your shit together now.

Alex Cooper (51:02)

Gonna be alive and thriving, happy and healthy. And it's all gonna come together because.

Misha Barton (51:07)

You don't see it at the time when you're in it. You just feel so overwhelmed, you know, and depression is real and it takes like a while for like the serotonin and the like, happiness to like, level out and for you to come back from these situations. And it's not like an overnight, like, but then like, strangely, one day it will be kind of like a switch gets flicked and you feel. It's so weird. It is weird.

Alex Cooper (51:32)

It's like you look back when you're talking about it, like, I have moments in my life too where I was like, going through something or whatever. And then one day you're just like making coffee and you're like, oh my God. It all.

Misha Barton (51:43)

I'm not that person at all anymore. I don't know. Because when I was in it, I didn't see, Like, I couldn't barely even see a pinpoint of a light at the end of the tunnel. And now here I am, and it's like I'm not even in the tunnel.

Alex Cooper (51:55)

You're not, Bitch. The tunnel's nowhere to be found. Okay, it gone. It's still gone. It's gone. Are you dating? Are you in a relationship? Are you single?

Alex Cooper (52:20)

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Alex Cooper (55:07)

Are you dating? Are you in a relationship? Are you single?

Misha Barton (55:10)

What are we doing? I'm single at the moment. And I love it. I love it. I've really, truly have just been working on myself, and I fucking love it. It's great. I mean, I don't have to answer to anyone. I just, like, I feel very, like, you know, like, happy and sober and, like, clear and like, I can be healthy and. Cause I will fall into, like, it'll all happen when I fall in love again. Like, I fall hard and fast, and then I'm like, you know, kind of almost codependent with that person. So I hope, like, moving forward. If I want anything from my relationships, it's that they aren't so intense.

Alex Cooper (55:46)

And, like, I do feel like what I've learned, though, is like, that's also just. We're talking about all these different stages of your life. And something I learned about myself is like, I had a similar experience. Like, I was like, God, these relationships are. Are so heavy and so intense. And then the more I worked on myself and the more that I became the best version of myself. And it sounds like you're just in this place of, like, clarity. And you're like Pilates and yoga and sobriety, bitch. Like, you're. You are.

Misha Barton (56:12)

You don't give off those vibes. Guys don't feel like they can control you like that. Yeah, exactly. Because you are you. Without even knowing it. You are giving off vibes that you need to be babied or you need to be taken care of in some way, I think. And, like, even though you feel like you're acting so independent, but, like, yeah, it's different.

Alex Cooper (56:30)

Like, you will attract someone completely different in this new stage of your life just because you're. You also see yourself differently. I mean, even think about what you were feeling about yourself before 27 and then now you're like, oh, my God, these are different people.

Misha Barton (56:45)

I mean, yeah, that person never would have considered settling down, never would have considered marriage, kids, kids, anything. Like, none of that would have even been, like. I'd have been like, oh, hell no. But, you know. Yeah, things. Things change.

Alex Cooper (56:59)

So you said you kind of would consider yourself. Like, are you a romantic? Yeah. Valentine's Day, Misha brought me, literally, a nice little teddy bear and a little rose.

Misha Barton (57:07)

Well, you're engaged. And I was like, oh, you have to spend Valentine's. It's a. And I hate that word, Galentine's. But I was like, okay, so it's such an annoying word, isn't it? But anyway, I was like, if we're doing Valentine's Day, you need a teddy bear and a.

Alex Cooper (57:21)

Let me be so clear. I cannot explain to you how happy I am that I'm spending Valentine's Day with you. Like, truly, this episode I already know is, one gonna help so many women. And two, like, we're Misha fans over here. Okay? We fucking love you. If you do start dating again, what is your approach to dating, and what are you looking for?

Misha Barton (57:42)

Oh, man, I don't know. Like, I think I. Again with that. I went through phases where, like, I really wanted to date musicians and, like, be on tour and, like, you know, like.

Alex Cooper (57:54)

Misha.

Misha Barton (57:55)

Yeah, exactly. Like, those. Those days are over. That's not attractive to me anymore. I don't want to be with, like, the guy in a band, and I.

Alex Cooper (58:03)

Don'T, like, you know.

Misha Barton (58:04)

I mean, never say never, but it's not really my thing, and I've kind of, you know, I've moved on from all of that stuff, and I've matured and.

Alex Cooper (58:13)

So you had a type.

Misha Barton (58:15)

I mean, I did date a lot of, like, kind of band guys. I don't think I have a type, per se.

Alex Cooper (58:22)

But what was it about the band guy that you were loving? Like, what was going on?

Misha Barton (58:26)

I don't know. I was just young and thought that was cool to be on tour with, like, the Cold War. Kids are ruining you and stuff. Like, you know, like, I thought I was, like, having a blast. I was in my 20s. 20s. I don't know.

Alex Cooper (58:37)

Like, it was fun. Wait, I forgot Rooney was on the show.

Misha Barton (58:40)

Mm. We had so many cool bands on the show. It was a great way to meet people.

Alex Cooper (58:45)

Okay, so you liked the band Boys, but now maybe we're, like, veering away.

Misha Barton (58:49)

Yes. No, we have veered away. I'm. I like people who are driven and have their own Stuff going on. It's incredibly important considering how like independent and driven I've always had to be in my life and am in my life life. Like, I need that and a sense of humor are the two main things.

Alex Cooper (59:08)

What is a non negotiable for you?

Misha Barton (59:10)

Like, if you don't have a sense of humor and you can't make me laugh, like, if you're not funny, then it's like, no, that's not gonna work probably right?

Alex Cooper (59:17)

Like I need to be cracking up.

Misha Barton (59:18)

Yeah, I, I, I need somebody who feels like a best friend.

Alex Cooper (59:23)

So. Because I think also if you could talk about. Because I, as we wind down, like, I have a lot of. I just sounded like my fucking therapist therapist, you guys. My therapist at like the 50 minute mark is like, as we wind down, I'm like, oh, that's your way of telling me, like it's over. Like you're gonna hang up on me, panic. But as we wind down, I'm curious, like, of what of all the themes we did talk about with men, like, how have you, whether it's in therapy or just on your own journey, like, how have you tried to rebuild trust? Because I feel like there's so many women that write into me of like, I just feel like I've been so fucking wronged by men and sorry to all the men in the room, but like, it's hard to not hate them because of the bad interactions you've had had with them. Like, do you have any advice for women that have gone through.

Misha Barton (60:04)

I've definitely become more of a girl's girl over the years, that's for sure. But what in relationships, like, how to like, not get. Yeah, I mean, you have to, you just have to, I mean you just have to keep your wits about you. But like, you can't go around with, like we said, like resenting or having a chip on your shoulder and being like that. Because also you won't attract like the right people in that, in that phase either. So. I love love. I think, you know, everybody needs to keep an open mind. So there are good people out there. Even though this episode addressed a lot.

Alex Cooper (60:42)

Of you all suck.

Misha Barton (60:43)

A lot of not so good people.

Alex Cooper (60:45)

But no, there are, you're right. And it's like, I think it's important to have conversations with like this of like the bad can be really fucking bad and really fucking dark. But if you keep pushing through it, like you said, like, you wish you could tell your then like, no, you are gonna make it past 27 and it is going to get better. And you, you are so strong, but you shouldn't have had to be that strong. But the reason you're still here is because you're so strong and, like, keep fighting to people listening that are going through it, like, there's a reason to keep fighting because it actually, most of the time, always does get better.

Misha Barton (61:18)

It does.

Alex Cooper (61:18)

What do you think is the biggest misconception about you?

Misha Barton (61:22)

Oh, I don't know. I. I think, like, honestly, a lot of people think that I am Marissa Cooper. Like, I think a lot of people think I'm gonna be a really stuck up bitch. Like, I do. I get that vibe, like, that people think, like, oh, I've dated these guys and that, like, I'm gonna be. I do think that that's a horrible. Like, it kind of comes with the territory of when people meet me, they're always like, oh, you're so much prettier in person and you're so much nicer than I thought you were gonna be. And I'm like, like, wow, okay. I don't think I want to know what you thought, but, like, I think that seems to have been, like, the lasting stigma around things. I think it's the whole thing we were talking about of, like, you know, like, the storylines of Marissa and like, Misha at the time kind of crossing and people just like equating the two with each other. I think that's been kind of a toxic, kind of lasting like, that some people have stuck in their head.

Alex Cooper (62:20)

Yeah. Does that make you at all, like, resent the character?

Misha Barton (62:24)

No, I still love Marissa as a character. I think she's a badass bitch and I think, like, she was a great character. I just think, you know, like, people are not the roles they play. And like, actors are like, you know. Yeah.

Alex Cooper (62:39)

Yes. Actors are not the roles they play, period. God bless everyone online. You get that, TikTok? Okay. What do you hope people take away from this interview?

Misha Barton (62:49)

Hopefully, like, for me, girl, girl, strength and power. Because I think talking about these things and like, you know, if you can talk about your dark times and your depression or anything that you've been through. And like, for me, like I said, I was walking around the city with my headphones and listening to your interviews, and I. I do find them really interesting. And I think it's important that you can listen to other women's perspectives, perspectives and what they've been through. And if you're having a bad day, it's probably. Hopefully it's not as bad as Misha's first day.

Alex Cooper (63:18)

You're like, bitch. Hopefully this really brings you up.

Misha Barton (63:21)

This will brighten you.

Alex Cooper (63:22)

But you're right. It's like sometimes when you're really. Everyone goes through it where you're feeling so alone. And there is something really nice when especially people you look up to that, you know, online are like, oh, I have been through it. It can give that person sitting in their room, whether it's a good or bad day, to be like, damn, I'm so not alone in the. It's all the same themes. It's all. We all have ties to each other. It's just we experience it or feel it differently. But no, I really appreciate you opening up today because I know you don't do a lot of this kind of stuff, but I think in the right environment, like, it. It was such a powerful.

Misha Barton (63:56)

Well, I wanted to talk to you because I think you're cool. I get good vibes from you. And when I was. When I first spoke to you, I was like, out of everybody that I could talk to, like, yeah, it's true. I turned down all the podcasts and stuff, but it's been fun talking to you.

Alex Cooper (64:09)

Thank you. I really appreciate that. Last question.

Misha Barton (64:12)

Yes.

Alex Cooper (64:13)

What can fans expect from you next? What are you up to in your life? Just like, give us the tea.

Misha Barton (64:18)

Oh, you know what's fun is. Well, I was working quite a bit last year, which was. Which was fun. And so I was traveling a lot, and then so I was working in Australia, and now I think I'm going to be doing a rom com later this year in Australia, which is a really new territory for me. So she's a really fun character. Yeah, I know it's not the kind of role, but she's got this kind of, like, great sense of humor to her, the character and stuff. And I just think it's such a beautiful backdrop to film in. And, yeah, I really. I feel this character. I'm freaking out that. And yeah, I did a little movie in Ireland last year, which. Which was really fun for me because I got to be back near my Irish roots.

Alex Cooper (65:02)

So fun.

Misha Barton (65:03)

Yeah. Just you and a rom com.

Alex Cooper (65:05)

I know, Misha. I'm like, I'm already gagged.

Misha Barton (65:09)

I love this one because it's like a modern day, like, real take on, you know, she's got a great sense of humor and she's really grounded and like, the supporting, like, he's got a brother in it and she's got her sister. So those dynamics also come into play a lot. So I think it's a a great script. And yeah, let me just say this.

Alex Cooper (65:27)

The Daddy gang, my fans and I will be sat ready to watch with our popcorn, ready to support our.

Misha Barton (65:33)

They're coming back too. Like, I mean, yeah, it's a fun genre we don't always want to be in, like, you know, running scared and doing these dramatic roles. Like, right.

Alex Cooper (65:43)

And like our emo days. Like, we want, sometimes we want to like little laugh with our popcorn. Misha, I cannot thank you enough for coming on, for trusting me with this conversation and, and like, truly, it has been such a pleasure to get to know you more and I feel like, I mean, I know there's so much more to you, but I appreciate you sitting down with me because this was really one of my faves. So thank you. And thank you, thank you, thank you for coming and taking time out of your busy life.

Misha Barton (66:06)

No thanks. I'm glad we got to meet up here in New York.

Alex Cooper (66:10)

Woo.

Alex Cooper (66:27)

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Misha Barton (66:33)

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