Riley Keough: Nepo babies, Addiction & Grief (FBF)

Summary

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Call Her Daddy: Riley Keough – Nepo Babies, Addiction & Grief (FBF)

Date: July 3, 2026
Host: Alex Cooper
Guest: Riley Keough

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Episode Overview

In this emotionally rich throwback episode, Alex Cooper sits down with actress Riley Keough for a candid discussion about her unique upbringing as Elvis Presley’s granddaughter, the challenges of navigating family legacy, her experience with grief and addiction in her family, the realities of fame, and her new role as an author. The conversation flows from lighthearted friendship stories to poignant reflections on loss, addiction, and breaking generational cycles. Riley’s openness provides rare insight into both her famous family and her own healing journey.

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Key Topics & Insights

Daisy Jones, Music, and Friendship

• On playing Daisy Jones (03:36):
  • Riley shares her experience learning to sing and play guitar for the Amazon series "Daisy Jones & The Six."
  • Quote: “I think getting to learn, like, to sing and play guitar was my favorite part because... I've never done something so involved.” (03:40, Riley)
  • Neither she nor most of her castmates had musical backgrounds, so they practiced intensively for a year.
  • Despite her family’s musical legacy, she insists she never considered a singing career: “Never. No, never. No. I still would. Never. I'm not a singer.” (04:36, Riley)
• Folky Porn: The "Band" with Dakota Johnson (05:35):
  • Riley and Dakota Johnson had a joke “band” called Folky Porn with Dakota's brother, mostly just singing with photo booth filters.
  • “We were all the lead vocals.” (06:11, Riley)

Family & Celebrity Upbringing

• On Growing Up Famous (18:24):

  • Riley describes her family’s intentional privacy and security, especially under her mother Lisa Marie Presley.
  • “Everything was a security issue. Like, there was no talking to friends about things... everything was very private.” (18:24, Riley)

• Baby photo sold for $300,000 (19:24):

  • “My baby photo was sold for $300,000 on the cover of People magazine. That is insane.” (19:24, Alex)
  • “What’s insane is... it was like close to a million dollars.” (19:33, Riley)

• Unique Day-to-Day Life (20:01):

  • Constant high security, paparazzi, and chaos were her norm.
  • “If I like shared the day to day growing up, it would probably be like, you know, crazy...” (20:01, Riley)

• Friendship Call-ins (13:13):

  • Riley’s friend describes her as “a ride or die... incredibly loyal and funny,” “you’re good at keeping secrets and you always text me back.” (13:34-14:12)
  • Riley admits she is loyal but sometimes internal: “I was very quiet... I got called shy a lot, but I wasn’t shy, I just was very internal.” (20:43, Riley)

Family Dynamics, Relationships, & Attachment

• On Parental Divorce and Michael Jackson (24:56):

  • Riley's mother, Lisa Marie Presley, divorced her father to marry Michael Jackson.
  • As a child, Riley misunderstood divorce:
    “The way I received it was that he wasn't my dad anymore... I just was destroyed.” (24:56, Riley)
  • Despite divorcing, Lisa Marie and Danny Keough (Riley’s parents) prioritized showing a united, caring front, even living together post-divorce.

• Relationship Patterns (26:28, 36:15):

  • Riley internalized her parents’ model of staying friends after breakups.
  • “My feeling was always like, this is a person that I love... why wouldn’t I have them in my life?” (27:14, Riley)
  • She recognizes inheriting her mother’s tendency to leave relationships when things grow mundane: “I definitely, like, didn't have the best track record there... that would tie to my mom's way of moving on.” (38:26, Riley)

Grief & Addiction

• Completing Lisa Marie's Memoir (15:22):

  • Riley finished her late mother’s autobiography, “From Here to the Great Unknown.”
  • “It’s very out of my comfort zone to write a story or tell all the things, like, my family’s personal... all these vulnerable things about my family.” (16:38, Riley)
  • She describes it as an act of duty and love, not something she wanted to do.

• On Grieving her Mother and Brother (47:17, 53:27):

  • Riley lost her brother and mother within a span of two years.
  • “The only step that I’ve actively taken is to feel my feelings... which is a lot harder than it sounds.” (47:17, Riley)
  • She sought comfort from others who had suffered similar loss: “I really leaned on people who had had similar experiences because it felt so isolating... I just wanted them to tell me that I was going to be okay.” (53:27, Riley)

• Addiction and Caretaking (48:00):

  • Multiple family members suffered from addiction; Riley felt compelled to help but found she was powerless to change them.
  • “There's never anything I can really do about it. And I found myself kind of going, like, what is the lesson here?” (48:00, Riley)
  • “I never withdrew love in moments of difficulty and through addiction... Always operating from a place of empathy, to me, always felt right.” (51:06, Riley)

Fame, Paparazzi, and Boundaries

• Differences in Public Scrutiny (57:12):
  • Riley discusses the contrast between previously being in the background and being at the center of media attention after her mother’s passing.
  • “When my mom died, that was the first time I received all of that energy, which was very intense... it made me really empathize with her.” (57:26, Riley)
  • She describes press about her family and the Elvis legacy as “always popping up in my inbox... it’s really wild.” (59:51, Riley)

Breaking Generational Cycles

• Parenting Intentions (32:02):

  • Riley expresses wanting her children to find joy in simple things, not lavish excess.
  • “I want my children to be able to find joy in just, you know, playing in the backyard and doing normal kid stuff and not need, like, elephants and circus and, you know, all these things all the time.” (32:02, Riley)

• On Becoming a Death Doula (55:39):

  • Riley became a certified death doula to support others in grief, finding community and healing by helping others.
  • “It’s essentially like what a birth doula is, but for dying, and you’re taught how to be with the dying person.” (55:44, Riley)

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Notable & Memorable Quotes

• On Family’s Musical Legacy:
  “Never. No, never. No. I still would. Never. I'm not a singer.” (04:36, Riley)
• On Growing Up Famous:
  “Everything was a security issue... everything was very private.” (18:24, Riley)
• On Parental Dynamics:
  “When you break up with someone, you stay friends with them. That was what I saw with my parents... they were like best friends.” (25:42, Riley)
• On Grief:
  “The only conscious thing I’ve done is try to feel my feelings.” (47:22, Riley)
• On Addiction in Family:
  “There’s never anything I can really do about it... I have found myself going, what is the lesson here? Just surrender to what is.” (48:00, Riley)
• On Completing Her Mother’s Memoir:
  “It was very out of my comfort zone... but ultimately, I was doing it for her, and it’s what she wanted.” (16:38; 17:50, Riley)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:36 — Riley on learning to sing and play guitar for "Daisy Jones"
• 05:35 — Folky Porn: Her “band” with Dakota Johnson
• 13:13–14:12 — Friendship call-in: Riley’s friend describes her
• 16:38 — Completing Lisa Marie Presley’s memoir
• 18:24 — Family privacy & growing up Presley
• 19:24 — Baby photo sold for $300,000
• 24:56 — Divorce and impact of Michael Jackson in her life
• 32:02 — Riley on her parenting intentions
• 36:15 — Inheriting her mom’s relationship patterns
• 47:17 — Grieving and advice for others
• 48:00 — Addiction: Caretaking and letting go
• 55:39 — Becoming a certified death doula
• 57:12–59:51 — Experiencing public scrutiny first-hand

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Episode Tone and Style

Alex and Riley keep the conversation personal, honest, and accessible, mixing light anecdotes and laugh-out-loud moments with deep dives into trauma, resilience, and the realities of being part of a legendary family. Riley maintains authenticity and humility throughout, dispelling myths around fame and offering relatable wisdom on grief, healing, and setting boundaries.

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Final Reflections

Riley closes the episode hopeful, expressing relief at having completed her mother's book, grateful for the opportunity to share her story and determined to move forward.
“I don't want to think about my trauma all day, every day.” (61:03, Riley)

Alex thanks Riley for her candor and teases a future, lighter episode for more laughs and stories with “tea.”

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This summary should give you a clear sense of the depth, honesty, and memorable insights of this standout interview.

Transcript

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Thank you.

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I am so such a big fan. Thank you for being here.

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Thank you for having me.

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Of course. I Huge. Daisy Jones and the six.

[B]

Oh, cool.

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Like, binge the whole thing. And really loved it.

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Thanks for watching.

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My husband was like, all right, you could take a break. I'm like, no, no. It's kind of one of those where you just got to get.

[B]

I got going.

[A]

Yeah. I got to get to the end.

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It was also the way.

[A]

What was your favorite part of playing that role?

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I think getting to learn, like, to sing and play guitar was my favorite part because it was that. I think that's one of my favorite things about acting in general is learning, like, a whole new skill set. And this one was, like, very in. Like, normally you do a few rehearsals or do if you're, you know, training to do, I don't know, to be a dancer or whatever. I don't know. Like, I've never done something so involved. Like, I haven't had to fully learn to, like, sing and play guitar. So I, I, I found that really fun.

[A]

Wait, you were doing, like, full voice lessons?

[B]

We were doing, yeah. Like, we had band practice every day and it was like a year long, but we needed it. Like, none of us, not none of us, A few of us had never picked up an instrument and, or sang.

[A]

Was there ever a point in your life that you would have considered a music career?

[B]

Never. No, never. No. I still would. Never. I'm not a singer.

[A]

I feel like you have a good voice. Unless they auto tune it, it's fine.

[B]

They didn't auto tune it, but I have a fine voice. I just got by. But I, I, I'm a realist and I know I'm not a singer.

[A]

The fact that you're telling me they didn't edit your voice you have a good voice.

[B]

They didn't edit it.

[A]

I think you call them. They're like, oh, babe, that shit was auto tuned.

[B]

You're like, I think they. I don't think they auto tuned it. I think the whole point was, because it was meant to sound 1970s, that you wouldn't do that, you know? Yeah.

[A]

You sounded gor. Gorgeous. Okay.

[B]

I, I felt proud that I was able to do it because there was, like, a conversation about potentially getting, like, vocal stunt doubles or something.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

And so I felt really determined to make it work, and I feel proud we made it work. You know, I, I. Girl, I don't think I'm, like, the best singer in the world. And I, you know, that's fine.

[A]

You made it work with Fly.

[B]

I made it work.

[A]

I love how you're like, oh, like, I. No, no. I like, never saying from my research, you and Dakota Johnson were in a band together in New York City. Don't lie to my face.

[B]

This is so funny. This comes up so often. And, like, I think that we need to do something here because, yes, we were in a band, but the band was me and her sitting with her brother around a table in her apartment in New York with photo booth, like, doing covers of songs. But here's the thing. Neither of us were confident singers, so we would just kind of, like, all sing together.

[A]

Oh, so you were. You were all competing for, like, the lead role?

[B]

We were all the lead vocals.

[A]

You're all the league. Yeah. Wait, what was the band called?

[B]

Folky Porn. F. Perfect for color Daddy.

[A]

We. I'm obsessed. I had a band at one point, and I was, like, so committed.

[B]

Did you really?

[A]

Yeah. But it was so bad.

[B]

What did you do? So.

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Yeah. Well, here's the thing, you know, I. I started as, like, the electric guitarist.

[B]

Cool.

[A]

But that is, like, loosely saying that the only song I lose electric guitar. Yeah.

[B]

I relate. I'm a loose guitar player.

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I, like, looked incredible holding it.

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Okay.

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Minute I would get going, it was. I was giving nothing.

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Right.

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I knew how to play the, like, whatever that song is. I could do those, like, three little things. That was all I knew. Our band was called the Aliens. It was a big deal. It was in my basement, and then we changed it to Green Jelly. Cool.

[B]

Were the other people in the band also loose musicians?

[A]

Everyone was loose.

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Okay.

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Everyone was loose. We were kind of just there for the vibes.

[B]

Yeah.

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Our sign was on, like, printer paper with, like, a little marker.

[B]

Right.

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It was edgy. It was the thing I actually paid my neighbors at one point, like, 25 cents to come watch us perform.

[B]

Wow.

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They were upset that we wasted their time. So, like, I'm a big band girl,

[B]

so Dakota and I didn't get, like, that far into it. We kind of, like. It lasted maybe, like, three days.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

And then it was over. The band broke up.

[A]

Good to know. Good to know. We. How did you guys know each other? Like, when did you become friends?

[B]

We became friends because we both grew up in LA and just there was some kind of. I had a friend who was friends with her boyfriend, and we met at, like, in an in N out parking lot. And then we went to all the same parties in LA at, like, 16, 17. And I'd see her out and about, and then I became friends with her boyfriend, and then so I went to go see his band play, and she was always there, and she was like, the coolest girl. The coolest. The coolest.

[A]

She still is.

[B]

She is. And then we just, I don't know, became friends.

[A]

And don't you love when, like, people are obsessed with, like, celebrity friendships? We're like, no, no, come on, tell us more. Yeah, we're like. We're just friends.

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Hung out.

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We're at In N Out.

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Sometimes we hang out and talk on the phone.

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I think, because it makes people feel, like, closer to you guys. Of, like, you guys are obviously both, like, very cool, interesting people. And so I think to know that you guys are friends people. Like, I'm like, come on, give me more tea.

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I can give you tea. I just don't really have any. But if there's anything you can think of, I mean, I will get. I'm a tea giver.

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Okay. Okay, good. You did show up today and be like, we don't have to cry.

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I just don't want you to feel pressure.

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I don't want you to feel pressure at all. If you hate any of my questions, let me know. We can pivot.

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Deal. Okay, good.

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How do you think. Hey, what? Hate.

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Just kidding.

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I'm like, let's sit in silence. I do love that you were 30 minutes old, like, early, and you brought no one.

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Yeah.

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Can I tell you, I've had people come to my studio with, like, a whole 20 people, 10 people, five people. But the solo.

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Solo is a first. Here's my answer. I'm not, like, technically on, like, a press tour right now, so. So I'm not. I have. I. I have no problem going places all by myself. You know, I love that. And I, like, I actually enjoy it.

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I am the same way whenever I go on a podcast, which is rare, I'm like, no one come with me. I'm gonna let it rip. Let God go with me.

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The cool thing about not having a publicist here, so I can say whatever I want, for sure.

[A]

Then she's gonna call you after and be like, what was it? You're like, I don't remember. We talked for almost an hour. Like, who knows? Just let it be. You know what I mean? It's fine. You're not going to get canceled from this. How would your friends describe you?

[B]

Oh, my gosh. That's such a hard question. I don't know. I have no idea. Like, in what way? Like this. Like.

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Like, how would they describe you? Like, if Dakota was in the room right now, like, what would she say about you?

[B]

We should.

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We could call her also.

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Do you want to.

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Let's call her.

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Hold on.

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That will be fucking funny. Go get your phone.

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So she didn't answer.

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Okay, let's call another friend.

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Okay.

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All you're asking is, how would you describe me as a friend?

[B]

How would you describe me?

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I'm on a show. Give me a good answer.

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So do you want them to be famous or not?

[A]

I mean, famous is fun. Famous is more fun. You're like, I'll call John.

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It's so funny because people every. I do this a lot of the time. A lot. And where people will be like, how would your friends or what friends could we speak to about you for this interview? And I give, like, my. All my closest friends, and they're like, but what about, like, famous ones?

[A]

They're like. They're like, no, no, we don't care about Cassidy. Like, we don't want. You know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

So funny. Okay. Should I try Zoe Kravitz?

[A]

Yeah, let's give her a go.

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The Nepo baby phone.

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I'm obsessed. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

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Oh, my God.

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Hello.

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Hi. Wait, you're on.

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[B]

Chewing. Sorry. So what are you eating? What are you eating?

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I'm eating toast. I'm using. I'm eating raisin toast. So cinnamon raisin toast with butter.

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Okay. So I'm on a podcast and they asked me to call a friend to describe how you would describe me as a friend. As a friend. As a friend, I would describe you

[A]

as a ride or die. Like you are down for whatever. You will always. You show up all the time.

[B]

You're very consistent.

[A]

Like if like me and you will like not talk or see each other for like six months and then it's

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like we just pick up where we left off.

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And I think you're really good at keeping secret.

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Gonna tell those on this pod,

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actually. And you're incredibly loyal and you're funny.

[B]

You're funny as hell and you're honest. Keep going.

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You always text me back.

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That's so cute. It's true. Thanks.

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You're welcome.

[B]

All right, love you.

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Love you. Bye bye. One more, one more.

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Okay, you're just like. You're such a. You're just like a. I'm a really. You think? Really? You're the nicest person in the world. Okay. Okay.

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I love you, too, but I am obsessed. Thank you for doing that. First of all, imagine if you're like, I'm just kidding. I'm not on a podcast. I'm just, like, feeling needy today. Keep going.

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Yeah, right.

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Okay.

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Those.

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That feels pretty accurate.

[B]

I don't know. I didn't really hear much. She said I was loyal.

[A]

She said you were loyal?

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Blacked out.

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Really good at keeping secrets. You're like, no, no, I am on air. Don't say anything crazy. Don't.

[B]

I got nervous of what she was going to say.

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No, all of that was lovely. Oh, good. And I. When she said you were a bitch, I'm like, that is the complete opposite of what I'm getting. You're. You are very, like, gentle soul.

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Thank you. I think that I would say. I would. I am a loyal friend. I. I do really care about my friends and, you know, love, hope. I. I think allegedly.

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Allegedly. Okay, let's talk about the book. It is so fascinating, like, what you wrote about. Yeah. From Here to the Great Unknown. First of all, just to, like, tell the Daddy gang, my audience, like, how did this book come to be?

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This book came to be because my mother was in the middle of writing her autobiography, and in December, she came to me and said, you know, I need help. Like, she couldn't. She. She didn't really. I think she just got to a point where she was feeling frustrated, and. And she. She didn't like talking about herself. So writing an autobiography was difficult, and she asked if I would help her. And then she passed away a month later. So I just found myself, like, it was just this thing that I had to do. So I just completed her memoir, which was, you know, very intense.

[A]

How long did it take you?

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Oh, my gosh, probably about a year. Yeah.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Start to finish.

[A]

How do you think, like, having that project to work on after your mom passed, like, helps you work through your feelings?

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Well, I think that when I started working on the book, it was only, like, three, four months after she'd passed away. So it was very, like, intense. And I didn't really want to be doing it, to be honest. It felt like this thing I had to complete, and so I was a little bit resistant in the beginning. And it's also, like, it's very out of my comfort zone to write a story or tell all the things, like, my Family's personal. All these vulnerable things about my family.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It's not something that I would do otherwise, you know, so it was. There was a lot. I felt very, very resistant. But ultimately, I was doing it for her, and it's what she wanted. And I knew how much she want. Wanted to finish her autobiography and share her story so people could understand her more and also so she could relate to people. And she'd been through so much, and I think that largely why she did this was to kind of share her experience in grief and addiction and these very human things. And so, yeah, so I would say that I. I did it, but I wasn't, like, really excited to do it.

[A]

No. I think, like, hearing you even say that is interesting when you said, like, my natural reaction isn't to just, like, spill all family secrets. And I think, just to clarify, for anyone that is not, like, familiar with, like, your family lineage, like, you are Elvis's granddaughter. Your mom was Elvis's only daughter. And so I get what you're saying is, like, it's a very famous family that you come from. So to write basically, like, a big book, being like, here's detail by detail, what went down. Usually we don't get that from very famous families.

[B]

Yes. And, you know, particularly in my family growing up and with my mom, she was extremely private. She hated talking to the press. She didn't want to be famous. Like, she was born into a situation she really didn't enjoy. And growing up in the world we grew up in was very private, very secretive. Very. Like, everything was a security issue. Like, there was no talking to friends about things like our family stuff was, you know, everything was very private. So it was a lot of. I had to push through that sort of uncomfortable feeling of, like, sharing all this information. But the other thing is, like, as a person, I'm a very honest person. And I also couldn't imagine. So she, like, she was uncomfortably honest. So I think I couldn't have imagined a version of her book where she didn't, you know, share all these things.

[A]

Yeah. And, like, go all in.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Your baby photo was sold for $300,000 on the COVID of People magazine. Like, that is insane. In.

[B]

What's insane is I is like, 300. Then was like 300,000. 300,300. It was like a million. Like, close to a million dollars.

[A]

Like, you're so wanted.

[B]

Well. Well, used to be.

[A]

Can you, like, looking back at your childhood, obviously, growing up in this family, what is something that was definitely not normal that, like, you Got pretty used to because you were just like, oh, I. I thought this was our reality.

[B]

Like, all of it. Yeah. You know, like, if I. If I like shared the day to day growing up, it would probably be like, you know, crazy to give us

[A]

a little come on.

[B]

Well, it was just a lot of like, thing. Like it was very like high security and like, if we're going somewhere, it was like lots of people following us and very like intense and chaotic and like going through, you know, I don't know. Like, how are you so calm? I don't know. I. I'm not at all.

[A]

Internally.

[B]

Internally, I'm burning down all day.

[A]

It's the external. You're keeping it all together, but internally, yes. Okay, good to know. How would you have described yourself as a kid?

[B]

I was very quiet. Really Internal. I wasn't. I got called shy a lot, but I actually wasn't shy. I just was very internal. Like, I just didn't have a lot to say and just was. Yeah, I was very quiet. I was like that actually most of my life until I started to realize that people would perceive that as rude. So I really pushed myself to, you know, come out of my shell.

[A]

Like, right now I don't want to be talking, but I have a camera

[B]

in front of me. Gotta be here. Hi, everyone.

[A]

Oh, that's so interesting. So if, like you're in. If you're going through something in your life, whether it's like a fight with your partner or a friend, like, do you just go silent?

[B]

No, no, no, no, no. I'm very. I'm very emotional. I'm just not somebody like, at a dinner party.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

If a lot of people are talking, I prefer to listen. It's just that it's not like I'm like, internalized. I'm very. I'm very open with my emotions.

[A]

Got it, Got it.

[B]

I'm just not like a big chatter.

[A]

Love.

[B]

Yeah, love.

[A]

Welcome to an hour sitting down with me. Let's go, girl.

[B]

I am now. I wasn't. I've grown, I've changed.

[A]

You're doing great.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Where am I? The book obviously switches between, like, your mom and her perspective and then yours.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How do you think you guys were similar as teenagers? Wow.

[B]

I think I also had a moment of like, she had, like, her rebellious moment. I also had that, like, where I would sneak out and, you know, hang out with people I shouldn't. Wasn't allowed to. And getting arrested and, you know. You got arrested? I've never said that.

[A]

You're like, wait, this is why I publicize this.

[B]

Where's my publicist?

[A]

Come in. No one's here. Save you. Wait, that's kind of like.

[B]

I was arrested once.

[A]

Yeah, it's a good mug shot.

[B]

I never saw it.

[A]

What?

[B]

I know.

[A]

You need to make T shirts.

[B]

I know. I was a minor. So luckily, I think it was, like.

[A]

So it's like an underage.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

A lot of people that I know got those. Those are like. I was, like, so terrified to get one because I, like, needed to go play, like, soccer. And if you had one, you couldn't play. It was a whole thing.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But, like, I was there.

[B]

You got a mug shot you didn't get.

[A]

I didn't get a mug shot. But now, in hindsight, I'm like, huh. Would have been, like, a little edgy.

[B]

So I had an edgy moment. No.

[A]

For just drinking.

[B]

It was for. Oh, God, I can't say this. It was for Breaking and Enter.

[A]

Oh, man. What? Where?

[B]

So it was actually. So I went to a party at my friend's house.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But I didn't know that it wasn't my friend's house. It was a house for sale. And so most people, like, the police came, and most people, like, got away. And then about 10 of us got arrested. My mom was pissed.

[A]

Did she try to, like, get it not in the papers?

[B]

No. She was like, this is on you, girl.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[B]

Luckily, it didn't get. It wasn't in the papers.

[A]

Was your mom someone that would punish you? Like, are you getting grounded?

[B]

I was grounded. Oh, yeah. I was grounded for, like, three months. And I was grounded on my, like, 16th or 15th birthday or something.

[A]

Yeah, that's tough.

[B]

I was grounded, and she was in Las Vegas, and I had to call her and tell her to come back from Vegas and pick me up in prison. I've never told anyone this.

[A]

Like, mom, I'm in jail. She's like, I'm on the strip. What? No.

[B]

So she. She's like, I can't get there. So she sent my aunt to come get me. And so, you know, I had a moment. I had a mo. Like, a moment as a teenager. And she also did love. Yeah, love.

[A]

Okay. You write a lot about, like, the different relationships that your mom had romantically throughout your childhood. When you were five, your parents got divorced because your mom wanted to marry Michael Jackson. How was this explained to you as a kid? Like, that they were getting divorced.

[B]

So my mom. I was like. We were in Florida, and I was sitting on her Lap. And she said, I'm. Me and your dad are getting a divorce. And I took, like. The way I received it was that he wasn't my dad anymore. And it was like, it's so memorable to me because I just was destroyed. I didn't understand what a divorce was, so I just thought, like, he's not my dad now. But the great thing was shortly after, like, they were so close, and they really cared about keeping them, you know, our family dynamic, the same. So he was at our house and staying over, and so he was there a lot. So I think I kind of forgot about it, which was.

[A]

So you got to see, like, a very loving relationship between the two of them, even though they got divorced.

[B]

Yeah, like a really unique. Like, it was a very unique experience, especially in the 90s, you know, to have both of your parents sort of like brother and sister, really close, living together. He lived with us for a lot of my life. When my mom had other partners and other husbands, he would live in the guest house. And so my. What was modeled to me was when you break up with someone, you stay friends with them. And I really, like, apply that to most of my relationships because that was kind of all that I. That was what I saw with my parents, and it was really beautiful. I mean, they were. They were, like, best friends. And I don't know if they should have been married.

[A]

We. When you break up with someone or they break up with you and you're staying friends with them. Have any of your past relationships been, like, riley, like, we broke up? Why are, like, are you still trying to stay so amicable? And are people ever confused by, like, how amicable you are?

[B]

No, because I think that, like, it was never a forced thing. I think I just. I don't know how I did it that there were. There was, like, one relationship that there was, you know, no friendship there. But for the most part, all the other ones, I don't even know. It wasn't. I wasn't, like, consciously thinking about it. We just ended up friends.

[A]

It's just kind of like how you were raised to think that that's how you go about it, which is probably, in hindsight, like a. I don't know. Do we think it's a better way to go about it?

[B]

Like, well, my feeling was always like, this is a person that I love, that I spent a lot of time with. Why wouldn't I have them in my life? Yeah, if, you know, unless it was like, some, like, crazy, unhealthy situation. Yes, of course. It's uncomfortable for a minute, but I think ultimately, if it's someone that I really cared that much about, yeah, then I'd want them in my life.

[A]

Somehow we just skirted past the big name Michael Jackson. Okay, let's go back for a second. So on top of, like, your family already being obviously so famous, how did your life get even crazier when Michael entered the picture? Because he had his own slew of, like, paparazzi and people following him and a media empire, essentially.

[B]

Our life wasn't crazier because that was already there. That already existed, like the press and the crazy, the paparazzi and, you know, all that. But her life, I think when she saw Michael's life, there were things that he had that she didn't have. Like, she didn't have a plane at the time or, you know, things like that. And so her. She want. She then was like, oh, I'm. I should have a plane and I should have a, you know, this and that. And so our life in that way kind of got bigger. Got bigger because she. Before that, she was with my dad and my dad. Their life was very simple. Not. Not with the press and the craziness, but in terms of, like, at home, like, she didn't have 10 million assistants, and, you know, she didn't need all of that. And I think that changed.

[A]

How did your mom try to protect you and your brother from the paparazzi during all this?

[B]

It's so funny because I get tagged in these photos all the time where we're wearing, like, a hat and glasses, and I'm like, what does that do? It's so weird.

[A]

Stunning.

[B]

Like a. Hiding our chic. I don't know, like, I guess they attempted to hide our faces, but it was, like, impossible.

[A]

What is the most extravagant thing Michael did for you and your brother?

[B]

There was a lot of, like, closing down things for us. Well, it was kind of like the only way that our family could do things, like if we wanted to go to a toy store or like, something like that, like, or ride rides or, you know, so it wasn't. I don't know if it was necessarily done for us or just for, like, our family situation where we had to shut the, you know, the toy stores and stuff. But there was one memorable time in London where we were in the toy store. So it was just my brother and I in the whole toy store, and we were just like, going floor to floor to floor and, like, filling up our thing. And, yeah, that was the first thing that comes to mind. But I Don't know if that was for us or just like the way that our life was, you know?

[A]

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[B]

I think she was such a. She was an amazing parent and she wanted us to have, I think like her father did these amazing experiences all the time. For me personally, I want, I think that the problem there could be for some that when you're used to so much, it's hard to find joy in simple things. And so I really want my children to be able to find joy in just, you know, playing in the backyard and doing normal kid stuff and not need, like, elephants and circus and, you know, like, all these things all the time. So that's probably what I would do differently. But I think her intention was really, you know, wanting to. To give everything she could to her kids.

[A]

Have you had a hard time, like, finding happiness in the simple things since you were around such wealth and big moments?

[B]

I think that there was a time in my life where I was like, oh, we're not going to. You know, let me think of a good example of this. Like. Like, even going to dinner growing up was, like, 50 people. It was like, a big deal. Everything was a big deal all the time. So there was more of, like, a loneliness that would. That I experienced in my twenties when our life was a bit different. Of. I was just used to having so many people around and everything being so intense that I felt a little bit lonely when it was. When my life was smaller, I think.

[A]

I think that's, like, a relatable concept. I think, like, I always talk to my friends who. When you get older and you're like, life is changing, and. And families and Thanksgivings, like, even if you look at what we see in, like, Hallmark movies and everything, like, the bigger seems happier. Right? Like a big family at a table and everyone is there. And when you have a smaller unit, it feels like this isn't as fun. This isn't as. When really, like, it could be more intimate and you can have stronger connections. And it's not. It doesn't mean it's not fun. Yeah, but there's this feeling.

[B]

It's that exact phenomena, but, like, probably just a little different. But yes, it's like, probably the same feeling you'd get if you, you know, came from a huge family and had big family gatherings all the time, and then it was just, you know, you or you moved somewhere and you're just like, what? This feels lonely.

[A]

Absolutely. Obviously, finishing. Because I have to acknowledge it with the Michael stuff. Like, obviously, before your mom's relationship with him, there were allegations of abuse. Abuse, and that he assaulted children. Then your mom went on to marry him, and you spent a good amount of time with him. Like, were there any adults in your life that were like, wait, I don't know if you should be spending time at Neverland. I don't know if we want you to be there. Like, was your dad nervous?

[B]

I was never told anything. So even as it's. And it's actually not something I ever asked as an adult, why do you think? I don't know. I think it just, like, was what it was. Like, I didn't. I don't know, it just never came to mind, I guess I would imagine that my dad was really heartbroken and reading the news, and I'm sure that I'm just imagining. Of course I would imagine. He said all kinds of things to my mom, you know, that we didn't know. Know about, but nothing. Like, the. The way my parents parented was very much like, we don't fight around the kids. We don't ever say anything around them. There was no. Like, we didn't know anything. We didn't know about any allegations. We didn't know nothing. We had no awareness of that.

[A]

As an adult, when you look back on that time of your life, like, how do you feel about it now?

[B]

I mean, the one thing I know is that they were in love and that their love for one another was genuine, you know, because I was there and I remember everything else. Like, I. I don't know, because I wasn't there for, you know, when your

[A]

mom would break up with these people and she would, like, find a different partner at some point in your life, like, how do you think that affected your own attachment style?

[B]

That's really interesting. I definitely would be really upset. Like, when she would break up with people, Michael, her other partners, I would cry, I'd get mad at her. I really was upset. Like, I'd get mad at her, I'd be pissed, you know, not knowing what happened. But I was always just mad at my mom for the breakups. So it really affected me, my attachment style. The one thing I know is that, like, throughout. Through all of her relationships, everyone would always go, she should have stayed with Danny, who's my dad. And so I always have this voice in the back of my head that's like, she should have stayed with Danny. And I. I know that she was, you know, someone who. When things got boring or mundane or difficult, she was like, see ya, you know, And I think that there's this part of me that feels like. I don't know, staying with. If you find. If you're so lucky to find somebody who is like your kind of best friend in the way that they were to try and, like, you know, make it work. Make it work.

[A]

Yeah. That was what I thought was interesting in the book was like, basically saying, like, when your mom was. When she was passing, like, wasn't he, like, the last person there basically for her?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And through all of these different relationships, didn't she date, like Nicolas Cage at one point. These big moments that were press moments. But really the through line was, like, it seemed like your mom and dad, like, always kind of stayed by each other's side, which I can imagine for your own, like, romantic situation. I know you're married now, but, like, prior to your husband, were. Were you ever feeling that through line of, like, ooh, this is getting boring. I'm gonna run. Or have you? You know what I mean?

[B]

I definitely had that when I was younger.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

When I was younger, I was very hard to pin down. I was not interested in, you know, sticking around.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I definitely, like, didn't have the best track record there. So that I think, would tie to sort of my mom's way of, like. Like, you know, moving on once. The.

[A]

The thrill.

[B]

The thrill is, you know, whatever. That when I was a teenager, I was like.

[A]

That makes sense.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm curious, like, was there any part of you that was ever nervous to get married? No.

[B]

Which is so stupid. I was. I mean, I was young. I was 25 when I got married.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

I was a little girl.

[A]

And you weren't nervous?

[B]

I wasn't nervous. I was so excited. I didn't. I. I didn't know what marriage was. I hadn't been in a relationship longer than three years. You know, Like, I. I didn't think about it.

[A]

Yeah. I love that for you. I mean, that's, like, really interesting to hear because, like, I know why I love these type of conversations is like, you never know what you're gonna get, because some people could be in your situation, be like, I was so petrified because I didn't want to do what my mom had done, or, you know, you're gonna, like, play out what she was doing, but you're like, no, I, like, went right into it.

[B]

Yeah. I didn't really think I was. Yeah. It wasn't impulsive or anything. I just, like, knew that he was the person. I knew he was the person I was meant to have kids with. I just knew it. So I don't know. And neither of us were, like. Neither of us ever put any pressure on it either. It wasn't like. We still don't. We're not like, our marriage will never fail, and we're going to be together till we're 80. You know, like, we're both kind of like, if we ever were unhappy, we would get divorced.

[A]

Right. You know, you're realist.

[B]

We're realists. We're like, whatever.

[A]

You talk about how your mom Was very open with you. And that sometimes could feel like a curse. What do you mean by that?

[B]

There were just not a lot of boundaries. It was very like, everyone knew everything about everybody.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And everyone was involved in everybody's. If I was breaking up with a boyfriend, like, she was involved, you know, like, it was like that kind of a thing. She. Everyone, you know, my brother, my dad, like, we were very enmeshed, I think. Think, wow. Yeah.

[A]

So would you ever find yourself, though, like, roles reversed? I feel like sometimes people get to the point where they almost become the mother to their mother. Did you ever play therapist with your mom?

[B]

Yes. I think that there was a certain point, probably in my mid-20s, when I sort of became more of the caretaker in the relationship. And I think it was around when she became addicted to opiates because she was always sort of the, like, leader in our family. And then she had, you know, fell into her addiction. And at that point, I sort of. Yeah, our dynamic changed a lot.

[A]

Can we talk about that? Because so many friends and I have these conversations now. I have people that write in. And it's like such a mind fuck when you become the adult in the dynamic with your parent because you're like, wait, no, it's inevitable. It's weird and hard and it's like you have to have. So you either have to have so many conversations or you don't. And it just is what it is. And you're left feeling a little bit like an identity crisis because your parent, who you could always go to and be like the child to. You're kind of now like, wait, why are you relying on me so heavily for things that.

[B]

I think the weirdest part about it in my experience is they don't notice they're doing it. Yes. You know, and you're like, like, wait, no. How. Who's seeing this?

[A]

Like, it's such an unsaid thing. Yeah, no, you're so right. Like, they're not aware, but you're aware.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm like.

[B]

And that's, like, awkward because you can't say, like, I don't want to be your parent.

[A]

Like, like, grow up. Like, what is going on? And that's why I think it's such a mind. Because then the people or the person that you're most likely going to in your past go to to complain about something like that is your mom.

[B]

So you go to the other one, Right? So you go to your dad, and

[A]

then he's losing it too, and you're like, oh, girl, going Insane. It's really interesting watching my parents get older now.

[B]

I'm like, do you feel like you have that dynamic with your parents?

[A]

I started to in a moment, and I have been doing a lot of therapy, and they have. Like, my mom and I have talked about, like, our therapy journeys because I'm like, we gotta try to not make this happen. Like, we. Even if we're equals as adults. But I think. And it's. And it's.

[B]

What are the ways, if you're comfortable in.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Sharing that you find yourself in that situation. Like, how.

[A]

I think, like, as basic as, like, calling me for help on everything. Where you're like, how did we get here? How did we get here?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How did we get through life?

[B]

Where I have to say, like, that is something that I really am going to try my best. I don't know if it's just inevitable, but, like, as a parent, like, I don't ever want my kids to feel like they have to take care of me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or unless they literally do. Yeah. But I mean, like, emotionally, you know, I don't want. I don't want my children to feel like my happiness is their responsibility.

[A]

I feel the same way. But I also feel like so many people have that. That point of, like, I'm gonna do it so differently than my parents. And it feels like every generation says that, and then we keep up.

[B]

I think there's another. You know, I think you just have to accept that you're gonna do stuff wrong.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you're gonna end up like your. Your child is gonna end up talking to the therapist about you. It's just part of being a parent. So I. For me, I just. I try and not, you know, read into it or read anything.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

At all.

[A]

I don't read. I sit inside.

[B]

I don't read. But I think there's a. So much pressure, you know, to improve on the future generation as. As, you know, whatever. And. And so I think. I don't know. I don't know what the. I'm talking about. No.

[A]

It's such a. No, no. You're like. And pivot and pivot. I know exactly what you're talking about. Also, I love that you having a daughter. Like, did your mom ever talk to you about the trauma and the grieving process of, like, losing her father and, like, how she dealt with that? Because I feel like you write a lot in the book of, like, seeing her in a moment, like, crying and drinking and crying over Elvis's death, but then it's like how she she never

[B]

talked about her grief. She only would talk about him. So she never would. I don't think she processed her grief like I think that because her grief was so public, she would hide a lot of her feelings because she, they felt personal, like something she could keep to herself. So I think because of that she didn't really talk talk about the grief so much. And I think as she in her late 40s and like when she was 50, she started realizing that she hadn't really ever talked about it to anybody.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which I think is also common with older generations. You know, nobody was talking about at all. All their.

[A]

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[B]

The only like step that I've actively taken is to like feel my feelings.

[A]

It's a good step. That's a good step.

[B]

Which is a lot harder than it sounds.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You know, and some of them are have been extremely unbearable. And whether that's grief or anxiety, sadness, like I think that feeling my feelings is, has been the only Conscious thing that I've done and trying to be present in my feelings.

[A]

Could you give. Just because I know there's so many people that do deal with family members that have addiction. Like, how did your relationship with your mom change when she became addicted to painkillers?

[B]

Well, I've had a lot of family members who have had addiction issues that I will and won't say on air because it's their personal, you know, story, but more than just my mother. And it's been a really interesting life because I've been surrounded, in a way, with people suffering from addiction, but there's never anything I can really do about it. And it's. I have. I found myself kind of going, like, what is the lesson here? Like, to be around people harming themselves, and nothing I do will change it. And so the only thing that I could do was surrender to what is, you know, and of course, I mean, with my mom, it was a. You know, years of me trying to drag her into, you know, rehab or get her help or, like, so much effort, you know, and thinking, like, this is going to be effective every time, and. And not really being present in the fact that the person sitting across from me is not participating in my plan, you know, So I just was. I mean, that was. I tried really hard to, you know, keep all of these plates spinning. And then ultimately it resulted in, like, you know, addiction. Sort of resulted in the loss of two of my family members. Yeah, I was kind of forced to surrender. And I think that it's a really hard line because you can't do nothing because you feel like, you know, you have to. Someone you love is suffering. You have to do everything you can to help alleviate the suffering. So I wouldn't necessarily, like, take back all of the effort that I put in, but it's just. Just a weird lesson in, like. I don't know. I don't know what. I actually don't know.

[A]

I think that's a good answer, though, because I feel like. I feel like there's so many people that go through it, and you feel like you're kind of, like going in circles at some point. It's like the same thing with. It's. It's a way more extreme version of when someone doesn't want to go to therapy and you're trying to get them to go to therapy. It's like you can't make the person go to therapy. They don't. With addiction, it's like this person you can try to help, but at some point, you also. In A weird way. Have to, like, give yourself some grace. That, like.

[B]

Yeah. Something my mom always would say is, she'd say, tough love doesn't work. And that was. I didn't give tough love. That was. That's not part of who I am. But to other people around her who would try and, like. Like, force enforce things. Yeah. And I really agree with that. Like, I don't think that personally, like, unless the. Unless the person is really causing harm or is. Is a threat to you and your safety or, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Then that. Then it's very different in addiction. But I never withdrew love in. In moments of, you know, difficulty and through addiction. And I. I really believe that. You know, I think there's a lot of, like, when you watch those TV shows that are, like, about, you know, whatever addicts and stuff, and they're dragging them out of, you know, these are human beings that are in pain. Yeah. So I think that always operating from a place of empathy, to me, was always felt right. I.

[A]

One of the things that you wrote in your book that I felt like, was so sad for you because it goes back to that, like, isolating feeling was when you kind of talked about being seen as a narc by your family. You're like, I was. My brother is telling me to leave the club, and I didn't know why. And I was like, oh, he's sending me home so he can start doing drugs in the club. And he didn't want you around. Like, how do you think that affected the way you acted around your family? Because I think the people that aren't doing the drugs, like, I've had a situation like this where, like, someone trying to hide it from you, and then you also just kind of feeling, like, not wanted. And as much as you don't want to be a part of the drugs, you also feel like you're being alienated because you're the only, quote, unquote, sober one.

[B]

Yeah, it was a really strange experience because I never was. We were never having the same experience. Like, in my experience, I was always being very. I was being firm, but I was always very gentle. And to them, it was like, you're making me feel so bad. Like, they took it. Everything was really. Was received. Yeah. Really intensely, and it wasn't my experience. So I think there's so much, like, shame around addiction that it's really hard to, like, have conver. You know, honest conversations. Yeah. But I, you know, like, I don't know. It wasn't like, I'm in the room, everybody's like leaving me out or something, you know, it was a, it was

[A]

a slow burn too, when you went through this like two year span of grief, essentially, or like the beginning of. Who did you lean on? Like, who do you go to when you're. You need someone to support you?

[B]

I really leaned on people who had had similar experiences because it felt so isolating. I had friends who had lost loved ones in various ways, and I found that to be the most comforting because I just wanted them to tell me that I was going to be okay, you know, from someone who'd experienced it and say, like, you're gonna survive this and. Because in the, in the moments, in the moment itself, particularly losing my brother, I. I didn't see a way that I could. So I, I wanted to just talk to people who had lost a sibling, had lost someone in a sort of more shocking sort of way, like the way I lost my brother. People who had experienced suicide. I, I just wanted to hear just from them. But then I had amazing, an amazing group of friends around me and husband. But it's, it's a really isolating experience.

[A]

It is. I appreciate you talking about it and I think that's what was wonderful about you. Writing about your experience in the book is like, like you saying you wanted to go to certain people that had experienced it because you, as much as you love certain friends, it's like if they don't unders. If they've never gone through it, you're kind of like, okay, I don't need you to like, hold my hand right now. I literally need like, answers.

[B]

Yeah, I would go on. I would go on like Reddit. I would literally go on forums and go like. And just because it was, it was such an isolating experience, right? And, and like read people's experiences and like blogs and like, I talked DM'd with people on Instagram who DM'd me who had also lost their siblings. Like, I would just. And talk to them and be like, did you feel this way? Did you feel this way? Because it was so lonely. Right? So I, Anyone who had experienced it, I would literally talk to, talk to.

[A]

Oh my God, you on Reddit.

[B]

I know that.

[A]

I love that for you. Are you also a Reddit sleuth though?

[B]

No, no, no, I'm, I don't. I just do a Google. I'm not like deep. I don't have an account.

[A]

Like, you're like, xxx r f m n n q q narc 25. Imagine you're like the biggest, biggest Reddit sleuth. And this all comes out one day. We find your account. No. Okay. I read that you're a certified death doula.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Can you talk to me about what that entails and how you got into that?

[B]

Yeah, I got into it because a friend of mine was a death doula and because of what I was just saying, how I felt like when my brother died, there were no resources and I was literally going on Reddit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I found a community of people who worked in, like, the death world, and I didn't know that that existed. And she was a death doula. And I just thought if I could make myself of use at all to people who were experiencing anything like this, I. I would. So I. Yeah, I did my death doula training and got certified. It's basically. It's essentially like what a birth doula is. Okay for dying, and you're taught how to be with the dying.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Person.

[A]

Do you find, like, that kind of also continues to heal you while you work with other people, or is it at all triggering if something is similar that they're going through that you've been through?

[B]

It's. I wouldn't say triggering. I would say you're very empathetic. You know, it's hard to. You're. Because you've experienced something, you. You're very much with them emotionally because it's. It's a shared law, like a experience of grief.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, yeah, I think it's just. It's not that I'm triggered and thinking of my own situation, but I'm very much emotionally with the person.

[A]

Yeah. When you were in the press with, like, all of that about the estate and everything and legal and all this, like, how does it feel when your family is so publicly, like, in the news like that? And that, I feel like, was the first time you were at the forefront.

[B]

So that. That's actually true. Like, my family's been since I. My first memories is my family's in the news 24 7. Like, growing up, everywhere I would go, my family are on the front of every magazine. Like, as a child, like, that was very normal. But my mom received all of it. You know, when my mom died, that was the first time I received all of that. That energy, which was very intense, and I. It made me really empathize with her. You know, it's funny, when I. I've been doing press for years, like, I've been acting for a long time, and typically it's a pretty good experience. When I went out to do press for this Book I really like, like, the. The vibe I got from certain interviewers was aggressive. Like, tell me this thing. Tell me the answer to this. Why did this happen? Like a. More like. Like, putting me on, like, in the hot seat kind of experience, which I've never, like, as an actor. I'm just having a nice time doing press, you know, And I was like, wow. Because it's, like, related to my mom. I'm getting the energy my mom would get, you know, and it's so interesting.

[A]

And maybe it's because of the name and how media was different back in the day, and there were just, like, the core tenants of who was famous. There weren't that many famous people. It almost is like they're carrying on that sense of entitlement in media, of like, we deserve to know this, and we will go to the end of the earth to get the picture and the shot and the information. And you're literally like, wait.

[B]

I'm like, wait, this does not happen anymore. I'm like, no, no, no.

[A]

You're like, next question. You're like, like, wait, you can't say that. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

You want to fight.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

Yeah. But then I realized, like, what she would have been dealing with.

[A]

Yeah, it's so interesting. Like, you're. Every generation, it changes and it gets different. Like, and the way that you probably feel about your grandfather, so different than the way that your mother felt about her father and how your daughter will feel about her grandfather. Like, this empire that he was. Yeah, that's what's so interesting is reading this book and hearing you talk about it. For most of us, like, this has been a very long time since Elvis was at the center of the conversation.

[B]

It's really wild. Like, I don't quite understand either. It's like, there's still movies all the time. Like, and I'm like, this is. You know, it's.

[A]

It's.

[B]

It's amazing that somebody could, you know, impact people so much. Like, it's. It's really unique, you know, and I, you know, I really appreciate it because of course, we love our family and, you know, want other people, too, as well. But I do. I do often go, like, what? There's always, like, in my inbox, like, this movie and that movie and Elvis's. And I'm like, wow, it's really.

[A]

Still popping.

[B]

Still popping.

[A]

You're like, go grand. Okay. In a way. With this book now finally being out, do you feel a sense of relief? Like, not that it's being put to bed, but you got to tell this story. And now it's like the next chapter of your life is beginning.

[B]

I. I do feel relief because it felt like this thing that I knew was coming that was gonna be this big thing, and I did sort of want it to be over, you know, I think this is like my last podcast, by the way. You're like, I'm done going out with a bang.

[A]

I love it. I love it.

[B]

And I. Yeah, I don't want to think about my trauma all day, every day.

[A]

You know, I feel like I didn't. We didn't get too crazy, right? You wanted to laugh more.

[B]

No, I didn't want to. I don't know. To be honest, I had no expectations.

[A]

Did your friends think you were coming in to talk about sex?

[B]

I literally. We can. I mean, I'm an open book.

[A]

Maybe you're going to have to come back on and we're like a different color Daddy episode.

[B]

Great.

[A]

Where we get into.

[B]

We'll do a tea. We'll do a tea episode. Coming soon.

[A]

I'm very, very appreciative. Thank you so much for taking the time. I know this is, like, a lot, so thank you.

[B]

No, I appreciate it.

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