Spencer Pratt: How to Be Famous (FBF)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Call Her Daddy – Episode with Spencer Pratt: How to Be Famous (FBF)

Release Date: December 6, 2024
Hosted by: Alex Cooper
Guest: Spencer Pratt, joined by Heidi Montag

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Introduction

In this episode of Call Her Daddy, host Alex Cooper welcomes Spencer Pratt, a well-known reality TV personality, for a candid discussion on fame, reality television, and personal experiences within the entertainment industry. Spencer is joined by Heidi Montag, adding depth to the conversation with her own insights and shared history in reality TV.

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Navigating Fame and Reality TV

Spencer Pratt delves into his journey towards fame, emphasizing the strategic maneuvers required in the reality TV landscape. He reflects on the origins of reality TV and his role in shaping the archetype of the reality show villain.

Spencer Pratt [23:24]: "We'll play the game."

Heidi Montag complements Spencer's narrative by sharing her experiences, including the challenges of maintaining authenticity amidst manufactured storylines and aggressive editing practices.

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Behind the Scenes: The Manipulative Editing Process

A significant portion of the discussion centers on the manipulative editing techniques employed in reality TV to craft specific personas and narratives.

Spencer Pratt [67:38]: "We're going to expose how easily the edit process is that reality TV uses to make something look like a conversation happened."

Heidi Montag recounts instances where conversations and interactions were distorted to fit the show's agenda, highlighting the ethical dilemmas faced by participants.

Heidi Montag [73:37]: "We've now been on two seasons of Celebrity Big Brother. We are locked up, you know, 50 plus days. A producer. We did."

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Personal Anecdotes and Celebrity Encounters

The episode features personal stories from both Spencer and Heidi about their early interactions with celebrities and influential figures.

Heidi Montag [11:26]: "So you have to clarify, you're having a slumber party with Hillary Clinton."

Spencer Pratt shares his unexpected encounter with Adam DeVillo, shedding light on the pressures and misconceptions surrounding reality TV personalities.

Heidi Montag [79:16]: "Again, you would need Heidi here. But from my... What I recall is she had one of those loose fitting..."

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Critique of Reality TV Practices

Both guests offer a critical perspective on the reality TV industry's practices, particularly focusing on the power dynamics and gender biases that perpetuate harmful narratives.

Heidi Montag [83:42]: "The problem with people like Adam and how they'll always win. They're male and he brings in his enablers and they're all like, guarded..."

Spencer Pratt echoes these sentiments, discussing the challenges of speaking out against powerful producers without jeopardizing one's career.

Spencer Pratt [76:07]: "Heidi..."

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Impact of Fame on Personal Lives

The conversation shifts to the personal toll that fame and constant public scrutiny can take on individuals, including relationships and mental well-being.

Heidi Montag [85:47]: "We filled it up with hoarders and, like, you know, like, just made it, like, piled up and, like, got an In Touch magazine cover."

Spencer Pratt reflects on the superficiality and transient nature of fame, questioning its true value beyond financial gains.

Heidi Montag [87:34]: "How the E, like getting just paid by Coca Cola to hold a co killer."

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Reflections and Future Aspirations

Towards the end of the episode, both Spencer and Heidi contemplate their past experiences and discuss their aspirations moving forward, emphasizing personal growth and redefining success beyond the spotlight.

Heidi Montag [88:37]: "I just want to look to the camera and thank the daddy gang..."

Spencer Pratt expresses a desire to shed negative perceptions and focus on more meaningful endeavors.

Heidi Montag [90:02]: "I'm not ending. I'm gonna."

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Notable Quotes

• Spencer Pratt [23:24]: "We'll play the game."
• Spencer Pratt [67:38]: "We're going to expose how easily the edit process is that reality TV uses to make something look like a conversation happened."
• Heidi Montag [73:37]: "This is what you do. When you have high standards..."
• Heidi Montag [83:42]: "We've now been on two seasons of Celebrity Big Brother..."
• Heidi Montag [85:47]: "We filled it up with hoarders..."

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Conclusion

This episode of Call Her Daddy offers an unfiltered glimpse into the complexities of achieving and maintaining fame within the reality TV sphere. Spencer Pratt and Heidi Montag provide valuable insights into the industry's inner workings, the ethical challenges faced by its participants, and the profound personal impacts of living under constant public scrutiny. Their candid reflections serve as a cautionary tale and a call for greater authenticity and fairness in reality television.

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Transcript

[Alex Cooper]

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[Spencer Pratt]

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[Spencer Pratt]

Spencer Pratt, you will obviously never be as relevant as you were. How does that make you feel?

[Heidi Montag]

Oh, yeah, you. This interview. Stupid podcast. This shit's over here.

[Alex Cooper]

Is he actually leaving? What is up, Daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy.

[Spencer Pratt]

Okay, Here we go, Mr. Pratt. Oh, my gosh, look at this outfit. I love it. Oh, my God. So nice to meet you.

[Heidi Montag]

Attacking me.

[Spencer Pratt]

Oh, my God, the devil.

[Heidi Montag]

Well, the second I get in my car, it's never happened in my life. It says engine coolant. I'm like, what the does that mean? So go to the gas station. I'm like, oh, buy engine coolant. I put it in and it's like spraying out. I call BMW service. They're like, you need to tow it right now.

[Spencer Pratt]

I'm like, you're like, I gotta go to call her daddy.

[Heidi Montag]

No, fuck the car.

[Spencer Pratt]

Oh, my God. Okay, can you mic yourself up immediately? Cause we're getting into this.

[Heidi Montag]

This is very Fancy.

[Spencer Pratt]

Wait, isn't it cute? Spencer, it's the first time I'm using these.

[Heidi Montag]

I feel honored.

[Spencer Pratt]

I'm honored because I knew you were someone that would know how to put it on and use it.

[Heidi Montag]

I usually let them do it. That's like, the perks.

[Spencer Pratt]

So I should have done it. Okay, we're going over here to make a drink.

[Heidi Montag]

You didn't. Good. Tequila. This is embarrassing. I won't actually touch these bottles.

[Spencer Pratt]

Wait, are you serious?

[Heidi Montag]

Oh, I can't be on camera with that low.

[Spencer Pratt]

Wait, what do you drink?

[Heidi Montag]

I mean, a bootleg. Enough would be, like, class. Azul is as low as we're gonna go.

[Spencer Pratt]

This is all I had from, like, a random.

[Heidi Montag]

I'll watch. I'm not. You're not getting me on camera. Hold. I mean, this was. I drank this in.

[Spencer Pratt]

Wait, do I have anything else? Spencer?

[Heidi Montag]

I tried, you know, 1942. Come on, Spotify. What is going on?

[Spencer Pratt]

I have a champagne bottle. Okay, so Spencer, right off the bat, is just shitting on me for not.

[Heidi Montag]

Having that car coolant. I was a lot.

[Spencer Pratt]

Okay, yeah. Let's talk about what happened.

[Heidi Montag]

All right. So I get in the car. I was gonna be very early. I was gonna sit in the car, meditate. You just visualize the best freaking podcast ever. And I get in the car and it says, engine coolant. I'm like, I'm not a mechanic, but this looks. Seems bad. So I go to the car place real quick. I'm like, I need engine coolant. I'm very late to the biggest podcast of my life, statistically. And so he's like, oh, my God, it's leaking everywhere. And I'm like, pour more in. So we pour more. And I call BMW. They're like, you need to tow it here, right? I'm like, I'm not towing it. Like, the car could shut down on you on the way there. I'm like, well, then it's going to shut down because I'm not missing this. Let's pop the Dom.

[Spencer Pratt]

Okay. Okay. Do you want to pop the Dom?

[Heidi Montag]

I mean, I'll drink that.

[Spencer Pratt]

Okay, let's do that. Let's do that. That's a better way to go about it. Okay. I feel like you should do the honors.

[Heidi Montag]

You know, here's the thing I've learned, because Heidi is a professional champagne bottle opener. I used to, like, the, like, excitement of spray it all over my camera. Yeah. And she's like, no, you're not even supposed to have, like, barely a noise. It's not a game to like, you know, guard that you come in like that. You treat it like that. Because people are always. You're gonna. So the key, what I've been taught is you just slowly, it's less exciting. But let's not waste this money. Ow. Swish.

[Spencer Pratt]

I mean, kicking off the caller Daddy podcast. Beautiful. Cheers.

[Heidi Montag]

Cheers to the daddy Gay.

[Spencer Pratt]

Cheers.

[Heidi Montag]

I am so honored to be involved with your mafia.

[Spencer Pratt]

I'm so honored you're here. They're gonna love you. Spencer, you are popping off on TikTok. I need to know, what is your strategy?

[Heidi Montag]

It was drinking. And then. That's why I haven't been tick talking. Well, here's what happened. Here's what happened. I don't know how it happened. So what? People loved to. So I had to stop because Heidi was like, you play the hills in the house anymore? Like, I'm gonna choke you. Like, she can't even. It's like nails on a chalkboard. So. And I'm like, honey, these are going viral. Like, this one just did a meal in like 10 minutes. And she's like, I don't care. Like, stop talking about that. I'm like, it's relevant to a niche micro audience, honey. So, you know, fucking hilarious. It's a hard balance because I'm also blowing up all these people that I can't stand.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah.

[Heidi Montag]

So it's like, do I like. I'm like, abuse. But I'm like, nobody.

[Spencer Pratt]

I kind of love that. Heidi's like, spencer, knock it the fuck off. And you're like, can't hear you. A million views. Gotta go.

[Heidi Montag]

This is so delicious, Spencer. I can't believe you don't have a charcuterie plate, though, for us.

[Spencer Pratt]

Okay, we're going upstairs to the interview. Are you ready? Should we bring this or. No, let's leave it. You need to drive home in your fucked up car.

[Heidi Montag]

Oh, no, I'm towing it.

[Spencer Pratt]

Oh, here, you're towing situation. Oh, you're towing it here.

[Heidi Montag]

I wasn't supposed to get here.

[Spencer Pratt]

Is Heidi picking you up?

[Heidi Montag]

I said I would. Uber black, Uber X, you know, Sensor.

[Spencer Pratt]

It'S all about the money. Let's go upstairs. Oh, my gosh.

[Alex Cooper]

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[Spencer Pratt]

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[Spencer Pratt]

Deep Breath now.

[Heidi Montag]

I'm praying.

[Spencer Pratt]

You're praying? Do you want to pray out loud?

[Heidi Montag]

Please, God, have this just be the greatest podcast to ever hit the waves of this dimension. Have it just touch so many people's hearts in a positive, enlightening way, God, and just truly be a blessing for everyone's ears. And if they're visually watching this with captions just when they read it, just have their spirit just be uplifted and inspired. Amen. That was a little too much. Holy Spirit almost fainted there. Oh, my God.

[Spencer Pratt]

Do you believe in God?

[Heidi Montag]

Oh, yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay.

[Heidi Montag]

But, I mean, Heidi, like, took it to the next level because she's, like, a preacher, really. Like, I was trying to be in the Illuminati when I met Heidi.

[Spencer Pratt]

Wait, were you really?

[Heidi Montag]

Oh, 100. I didn't realize they're, like, drinking blood and, you know, Weird. Weird. I thought it was just, like, sex parties. Like, Eyes Wide Shut. Everybody older than, you know, 18.

[Spencer Pratt]

Totally. Like, you wanted to be a part of the sex parties.

[Heidi Montag]

Not just the party, but, like, that perk, like the Tom Cruise movie. Like that totally, you know, pretty, like, minus, like, people disappearing. It looks like totally my vibe.

[Spencer Pratt]

Thank you for kicking us off. I feel really Zen and calm. I almost just started crying. I don't know if it was tears of joy or laughter, but it was something. You got an emotion out of me.

[Heidi Montag]

I mean, it hit me, too. I don't know. It's good AC in here, but it.

[Spencer Pratt]

Was like I almost fainted. Spencer Pratt, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

[Heidi Montag]

I am so honored.

[Spencer Pratt]

You grew up in California going to school with celebrities and celebrities kids. Who was the first famous person you remember meeting in your life?

[Heidi Montag]

Oh, hands down, Meryl Streep. I was on the set of Death Becomes Her, I think is the title where she's, like, falling apart. So shout out. She would deny knowing me at this point, but I think her name was Mamie gummer. We were BFFs. We were very young. We would go set, and it was Meryl Streep, and I would be chilling on set.

[Spencer Pratt]

So, yeah, I did not expect the answer. That's fucking baller.

[Heidi Montag]

Oh. I mean, I went to Crossroads. The list, like, right, goes on. But that's like.

[Spencer Pratt]

That's the main.

[Heidi Montag]

The cool. Like, just in this mansion. And, you know, I mean, then it's. Next thing you know, I'm having a slumber party with Hillary Clinton, you know, So, I mean, like, my childhood.

[Spencer Pratt]

You have to clarify, you're having a slumber party with Hillary Clinton.

[Heidi Montag]

So my best Friend Charlie, his parents were best friends with the Clintons from Arkansas. And so when I was a kid, you know, I'd always sleep over Charlie's house. But one night, you know, you know, I was pre checked, you know, I knew this was gonna happen. So Secret Service did their thing. I think I was a safe 14 year old or whatever. And so, yeah, slumber party, I was in the kitchen with Hillary. That was wild.

[Spencer Pratt]

So you reference your high school and how you were surrounded by like a lot of famous people. What were you like in high school and what did the other kids think about you?

[Heidi Montag]

Well, I try to say that I am exactly, you know, I've learned a lot of lessons, but I would say I'm the exact same person that I've always been and I haven't changed. So, you know, I had just as many people that didn't like me back then. You know, I had, you know, enemies, putting up, you know, dicks drawn on my face around town, you know, so I came in like hot, you know, so I think, because, you know, for my private school world, soccer was our big sport. We didn't have a football team. So I was, for my world, really good at soccer. So I was on the older teams. So, you know, when I was 15, all the seniors, I was rolling with them. So, you know, everything got fast forward. Like when I watch, I don't watch euphoria. When I see cliffs, I'm like, oh my God, this is the Disney Channel. Compared to like LA and growing up, you know, now it's crazier because you just die. Fentanyl and whatever. So it's definitely like darker now. So I pray for these kids. But it was amazing. Everyone's always like, oh, why don't you like write it? Like people that know me, you should write a memoir. I'm like, like, no way, you wouldn't. Well, right now I just found all these tapes and I was like, maybe I just cut together. Like Heidi was calling it selling. Spencer was. Because I really have just been trying to sell myself for all these years. Not my soul though. That's the one thing I've stayed. That's why I'm not rich and famous. Because I didn't cross that tier of.

[Spencer Pratt]

What would have crossing that tier looked like though? Because I think to the world it looks like you sold it.

[Heidi Montag]

Oh no, there's a whole nother Satanism level there. You know, I didn't unlock, like, what would you do? I mean, I. What do they do?

[Spencer Pratt]

Right?

[Heidi Montag]

These people that you just. They're not upfront with it, but there's a. We're talking a spiritual level, not like, oh, what you say on.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah.

[Heidi Montag]

So, like, these people are going, okay.

[Spencer Pratt]

So it's interesting because I feel like what you were saying about being in high school, like, you were always kind of this, like, polarizing figure. They're gonna be people that like me, and then they're gonna people that don't like me, and that's okay. But when you were younger, did you ever get in trouble for your temper?

[Heidi Montag]

Well, in one soccer game, you know, backstory. So in high school, you know, we went to GNCs. You get protein powders, you get energy. So at the time, there was this product called Rip Fuel, and I was like, that's every brand. I want to be ripped and fuel, so. And they had a strawberry flavor one. So I was be hitting Rip Fuel before games. You know, you just mix in your water. It's legal, it's by. It's like Gatorade for me or whatever, you know, I never drink Gatorade, though. It's not brought to you by Gatorade. I can't be promo in Gatorade. So, yeah, I was all pumped up on Rip Fuel, you know, and it's very competitive, and I was taking this very serious. And so this was the semifinals, and there was like, a team little meeting the night before the game that this coach, who no longer the coach for a reason, okay, shout out, fed the new coach. So the seniors didn't go to this team meeting. That was unnecessary the night before a game. So the next day, biggest game of the senior year, semifinals. He benches all eight of the best players, the seniors, hands down, the best players, including myself. We're now losing a half. Like 2 0. You know, I'm pacing the side of the thing. I'm like, this is like, we get it. Like. And he wanted to make a point, like, we don't need you. Like, he thought they were going to do fine with, like, whatever. So finally at halftime, we go back in. I go in, score two goals, tie it up. So pumped up, score a third goal, now we're winning. He goes sub it, tries to pull me out. I'm like, I don't know if I flicked him off. Whatever. I'm like, you know, I must have been mean. Like, what's like, you know, I mean, the crowd. This is back when people cared, you know? You know, like living, you know, this was our Friday night light.

[Spencer Pratt]

Right?

[Heidi Montag]

Right. It was probably on Friday, too. And so, you know, I went to the sideline and, you know, maybe got in the coach's face. And my mom ran on the field. My mom. You know, this was crazy what he did. So my mom backed me up, but I didn't hit anybody. I didn't. There was no. It was just yelling. He's yelling back. So I get called in because they're maybe going to suspend me. And they're like, you were acting very pumped up. Like, were you on something? I'm like, yeah, Rip Fuel. And they're like, what's Rip Fuel? Can you bring this in? Like principal office, Tom Nolan, Bob Riddle just retired. Bye, bye, Bob. So I bring in the rip fuel and they read the back of it, and it had ephedrine in it, which is now illegal. And they decided it was like speed. So I would just dose up on, you know, rip Fuel. See, so that got me not suspended or expelled or whatever, but other than that, like, no. I was teacher. I tight with all the teachers.

[Spencer Pratt]

So you got to blame your behavior on Rip Fuel.

[Heidi Montag]

I mean, it was. It was a stimulant.

[Spencer Pratt]

Totally. Was anyone else taking it with you?

[Heidi Montag]

The whole team? Okay, yeah. But I mean, I was more pumped up.

[Spencer Pratt]

So who was your first famous friend.

[Heidi Montag]

Like, that we kicked it with all like the first famous person we started kicking it with was Paris Hilton Peak. The most famous person on the planet. That was when I saw like firsthand real deal new modern tabloid fame. Because, I mean, I had grown up with, you know, a list celebrity parents. And I saw that's more low key and it hadn't. This was peak Paris coming in the game, tabloid cover energy, paparazzi. And I will always say, you know, I'm not close with her. I don't know her, you know, dada. But she was so consistently nice. And like, she didn't even need like I'm like Entourage hanger on her like Rando and still got treated with, you know, so. So I'll always say, you know, shot good for you.

[Spencer Pratt]

That Paris Hilton era was the beginning of it all with paparazzi. Like, do you think that sparked something in you of like, damn, No.

[Heidi Montag]

I was telling people at age 16, bringing in US Weekly covers, telling folks, get ready, I'm be on the COVID of Us Weekly. And people are like, what is this? My mom always had tablets. I grew up with tablets around the house and. But nobody appreciated them like I did. So I was. But prepares. I was already coming hot. There was no doubt in my mind.

[Spencer Pratt]

You were going to be on those tabloids. Okay, but in your head Spencer, what were you thinking? You were going to be on the tabloids.

[Heidi Montag]

I had no idea. But I was like, I'm going to be famous. These famous people have it so figured out. I mean, because when you grow up, seeing how famous you will live, like you, you know, as a just eyes on like the reservation that's world's over by the way. Like people are like, oh, he's so thirsty. Still wants to be famous. Like fame isn't even cool anymore now. And I would love to have it, but it's still not, you know, 90s to early 2000s when these people lived. I mean they were taking helicopters, landing on just the rules have changed the game. So what I grew up thinking fame was is so different. Like I wouldn't grow up now be like, oh, all Due respect to TikTok, I love being viral on TikTok, but I don't think I'd be like, oh my God, I want to be a viral tiktoker as like what I was chasing.

[Spencer Pratt]

If you had grown up in Ohio, like do you think because of where you grew up and what you were around is why you wanted to be famous?

[Heidi Montag]

Because you got to, oh, 100%. Like I think in Ohio, one of these are states I would have ended up in like Delta force and gone in the military or been a spy or something. Yeah, that was my brand. That's why I don't have tattoos. Because that was always like, well, if I am going to be Jason Bourne, you can have tattoos. So, you know, like I was like deep, logical. But the problem was I lived in the Palisades. I was like, I get killed or like go to Nobu, right?

[Spencer Pratt]

I want to go to Nobu, not.

[Heidi Montag]

Have to go in a different state. That's the energy I have.

[Spencer Pratt]

Okay. I was looking this up and nowhere is this story. When and how did you meet Brody Jenner?

[Heidi Montag]

Rewind to eighth grade. I won't say her last name. Maybe she's anonymous. Heather was the it Girl on the 8th grade soccer team and I was on the soccer bus because they had other guys and girls on the same soccer bus. Brody played no sports. So eighth grade, Heather was the hot super hot superstar girl and Brody was her boyfriend. And so I was like this dude. And Brody at this time thought he was, you know, it was pre Eminem, I think. But Brody was like a large Eminem, like no pun intended, you know, he was a bigger guy. He loved melt cheese. I later found out he just melt a cube of cheese and just like eat it with A spoon. So he was. He then got ripped and, like, changed with this. Brody was like a rapper. Melted cheese. And I was like, how is this happening? So we had just beef in the sense. I was like, how is this your girlfriend? Like, we have soccer practice together. We have way more in common. So I don't know what I said, but we got in, like, the only little shelving match in middle school so that we had beef, right? But then years later, this girl that I was seeing. Casey. I won't say her last name because I'm not trying to catch a case. She was dating me, and I. Somebody tells me that's Brody's girlfriend, I'm like, she's not Brody's girlfriend. Like, so I bring it up to her, and I'm like, do you have a boyfriend? Like. And she's like, well, I didn't think we were, like, exclusive care. I was like, oh, no. I don't care. It's all good. But it's like, I reach out to Brody through mutual friends. I'm like, yo, you know, I know we're not cool or whatever, but we should meet at Don Antonio's and talk, you know, Because I guess I had heard he, like, loved this girl, and I was like. And so we meet up, and I'm like, your girlfriend is not your girlfriend. He's like, and I'm like, I. I. Like, I didn't know. Like, she told me, but I. When I found out, that's why I called you. And he's like, I'm gonna come. Like, no, no, no, no, no. You know, this is pre. All these team movies. We should have made a team. I was like, I think we play this out a little bit. So we started becoming best friends on, like, making plans with her, and then the other person would cancel. Like, he'd cancel. And then she called me, and I'd be like, yeah, yeah. And then she may get those plans. And, like, we did this for a while to the point where, like, you know, maybe we crossed the line or whatever, you know, but it was like, you know, you want to play the game?

[Spencer Pratt]

We'll play the game.

[Heidi Montag]

Let's play it. So we became best friends at. This is probably 18.

[Spencer Pratt]

How did you get cast on the Hills?

[Heidi Montag]

So now we're going back to. I'm now in college. I don't know how I see something about the Osbornes making $25 million for the. And I'd seen the show. I was like, oh, this is entertaining. They got dogs pooping. Ozzy yells like, da Da da. And so I'm like, I'm gonna make a reality show. So I call Brody. I'm like, we gotta meet at PF Chang's. When PF Chang's had just. This is like, PF Chang's was Mr. Chow's at this point. There wasn't Mr. Chow. It's like, this was the hottest Chinese food spot you could go to. So we meet at P F Chang's. He brings Chucky, his, like, consiglary, like, advisor Chucky to coup. And so I'm like, I want to make a reality show about you. And he's like, I don't know about that. And Chucky's like, you should do it to my advisor. I'm like. And he's like, here's the deal. If you come to my house tomorrow at 8am with the camera, start filming, I'll do it. And he's calling my bluff because I'm a sleeper in at this time. Like, I'm not trying to be up all the way Malibu, like, Cross Creek. So I had a camera because I just tried to shoot a documentary in Brazil about, like, the. Like, I tried to make my own taken, you know, like pre taken with like, a kidnapping. And I shot this full film that.

[Spencer Pratt]

I was like, can you please release that?

[Heidi Montag]

It's pretty hardcore because it was like, I use real people and like. Like, people that see it are like, this is so inappropriate and intense. But, like, at that time, kidnapping was like the big thing. And I was already in Brazil and I. You know, I was like, I need to make a. So it looks. It's too real, you know, like, it's like so, like, whoa. Like, it was like, oh, the. We're in. We're tourists. And then like, the vans come and duct tape. Like, it's crazy. You actually, like. But it. Like, I could have, like, a good editor. I would have won a Sundance because it was like, no act. Like, I went to the favelas, gave people cash, all real guns. From, like, got real cops to like. I mean, it was so crazy because I want to be a filmmaker, you know, Like. Like, I didn't, you know, that was clout was like, Michael Bay, like, totally, you know. So I was like, I'm. Yeah. So I edit this. I show bro. He's like, bro, don't you dare show anybody this. Like, you will go to jail. Oh, my God. But I mean, everyone's in on it, you know, Like.

[Spencer Pratt]

Like, nothing bad is happening. But it looks.

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah. And Brody's like, people are going to be a little concerned. This was your girlfriend at the time. Like, it's like, she wanted to be an actress. Like, she was actor. There's clearly evidence showing this was, you know, everyone was fine and, like.

[Spencer Pratt]

But it was a little too real.

[Heidi Montag]

It was as real as it sounds like. So if I needed the kidnapped. So in Brazil, I have the full. So I had the camera, the good camera, GL2 Canon. And so I show up 8am, I have this one tape. Like, I rewatched this the other day. I show up, camera on him, in his nose, just trolling him, like, pushing it in. He's like, oh. So I tell my parents, I'm withdrawing from usc. I'm taking a leave of absence. They're like, what? I'm like, I'll make a reality show. They're like, oh, my God. I'm like, don't worry, I can go back. I mean, at this point, they're like, I'm glad he's back from Brazil, you know? So I started just filming everything in the house. But his stepdad is a superstar, mega success. And in real life, he's literally telling me, stop fucking filming me. Get the fuck out of my house. And, you know, at the time, Paris and and Nicole were on Fox. So I was saying, this is Fox, Dave. You know, I didn't appreciate who he was. Brody said, he makes elevator music. Like, that was my.

[Spencer Pratt]

This is David Foster.

[Heidi Montag]

Like, so that's my percent.

[Spencer Pratt]

And I'm like, you make elevator music? Fuck off.

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah, like, that was the energy. Like, Brody says, you make elevator music. So I had no, like, oh, it's Dave Fox. I'm like, in his face. He's swearing at us. You know, he's like, get the fuck out of my house. And my head was like, we have a bigger man. We have a bigger mansion. There's more dogs here. They're like 10 dogs shitting everywhere. And he was a superstar. And then we have Brody's mom, Linda Thompson, who at one time Elvis was trying to marry, dated Elvis for five years. Linda's incredible TV legend. So she's playing all into it and letting us, like, let the boys do the boys, you know, so. And I'm living the life, too. I'm never stopping filming because they got the chef. I'm going in the fridge. I got a plate that says Dave. I'm eating his food all day from the chef. And we edit right there. Just like, you know, a few minutes on Sunday night, I get a call from this guy, and he's like, spencer, I'm like, who's this? And he's like, it's Peter. I'm like, peter who? And he's like, peter Chernin. He's the chairman of News Corp that owns Fox. And he's like, you have a meeting tomorrow at 9am with Gail Berman. I'm like, cool. Who's Gail Berman? He's like, spencer, she's the president of Fox Television. She knows the deal. Just go to the meeting. I'm like, okay. And he hangs up. I'm like, okay. So I called David Foster to, like, talk shit. I'm like, going to Fox Foz man, you know, talking all this smack. This is where he murked me out. Because he didn't have, like. Now he's like, oh, this is real. So he didn't have faith in me. Like, I don't think he knew what level I'd already got it done.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah.

[Heidi Montag]

So he calls his boy because David's Canadian. He calls his homie from Canada that. Like, they tried to do some projects together in the past. And he's like, you got to go to this meeting. So I pull up, like, out of a movie, and I get to the Fox lot right there. Every time I drive by it now, I still. My God, what a memory that you just can't even make up. And I pull up my Spencer Pratt for Gail Berman, and they're like, oh, sorry, somebody already used your drive on. I'm like, what does that mean? They're like, you're going to have to park on the street. And like. I'm like, wait, what? So now I'm, like, parking down Pico, like, running. And I'm in my, like, dumb purple shirt that, you know, that I thought was, like, a fancy shirt, you know, that, like, I didn't have, like, I didn't, like, have designer clothes or whatever. So I like this stupid purple shirt on. Somehow, later in that day, Peter Chernin sees me. He's there, and he's like, don't you ever wear that dumbass shirt ever again. Oh, okay. But so I go into the meeting and I get in the elevator, and this guy in this full suit is smoking a cigar, and we're going up in the elevator, and he's big old guy, and he's like, you know, I'm like, who's this guy? And these other guys in suits, and so they're, like, walking with me. And we're all walking. I'm like, no, they're all going in the same place as me. So Gail offers us in that meeting $3.7 million. I'm like, yeah, deal, Deal, Deal, deal. And they're like, no. Then we're like, we're gonna go see some. We're going to abc. I'm like, who the are they? Like, no, deal. And so they jacked me. And they like, if I hadn't called David, I would. Had so much more creative control. But I was 20. And so then I find out, like, you know, I get a lawyer. And they're like, yeah, they're saying, you're not the executive producer. I'm like, I'm like, that sounds like I. Sounds like I am that. And they're like, yeah, they're saying you're not. So I call pj. I'm like, they're saying, I'm not. And he's like, makes a call. And then now I'm executive producer. I was the youngest executive producer of a network television show to this day in history. And they try to fight that. And so then they make the show. And at this point, on my first day of filming a Fox show, keep in mind, this is when Fox was peak Fox. We are getting launched with the reboot of Family Guy on Sunday nights before the Simpsons. Our sponsor is Coca Cola. McDonald's that were like, getting ads, and they're like, I am going to be a millionaire, like, in a month. I have my walkie talkie that says executive producer, day one. I'm behind camera. They're filming. And then everyone's like, spencer, you need to go in and, like, do what you're doing. Because in it, everyone's always talking shit to me, right? Like, in this sizzle and everything. Because I'm like the, like, crutch the bat, like the guy that lives in the guest house energy, the Kato Kalyn vibe, right? So I'm like, no, I got my walkie talkie. Like, you'll get to keep your walkie talkie. I'm like, okay. So I didn't realize. I, like, it was like the Matrix pill. Like, I. That was when I sabotaged my entire life of being taken seriously. Crossing in front of that camera. I was like, oh, yeah, I get my walkie talkie still. I got my title. But I didn't get. That was the end of, like, anyone ever being, like, respecting you in this business.

[Spencer Pratt]

But which is crazy to hear too, for you, Spencer, because by you, they clearly were like, wait, we're filming this shit and we're not getting the same thing? That Spencer came with his DVD because it was you. Brody was so comfortable with you. Being like, Spencer, get the fuck out of my face. And like David Foster's like, Spencer, like everyone knew you, so they were giving you that content. They're not going to do it as easily in front of these like random like guys with cameras. So they needed you to get back in there. But that sucks that then your credit basically got taken as in terms of a producer.

[Heidi Montag]

So I look still this whole time not getting that. Nobody else was going to think this. Looked at myself as an on camera producer. I was just filming, doing the story bites. Da da da da. So that night, Linda has a talk with us, our first night of filming. And she's like, I caught David cheating on me in the studio. And I'm like, well, so you know, like, what are we doing here? And so like we pretty much just like beg her to like just pause this, you know. And she's like, I now appreciate it more. But at the time, like, I was so deep in like, this is our like, like, who cares? Like, let's roll. Like you. Let's launch. Like. And so she gangstered up and was like, I will do. And I didn't really understand what she meant. Like, I'll do the filming. But I didn't get. So then let's fast forward the night the show premieres. She's like, I informed Fox that I'm filing for divorce tomorrow morning. And I'm like, what? You know, nowadays that ratings up, people love that dark thing. This is a family friendly Sunday. I get my third call from the chairman of Newscurric. Spencer, what the f? We bought a family friendly show for Sunday nights. I'm pulling the plug after next week's episode is done. So we get the one, you know, rated well for the summer. We get one more. And I just lost. And I spent all my money that my first check on my BMW that now I like didn't have money for gas. You know, figuratively speaking, like, because I was like, game on, you know, we're going to be so rich.

[Spencer Pratt]

Damn, that's wild. That like day one of filming, she.

[Heidi Montag]

Also that just set caught him cheating.

[Spencer Pratt]

And you're like, wait, no, we need one this house to film. It's two. We need the family together. And then the rest of the season they just like, you try. She tried to fake it for you.

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah, she did. And she, she's a real good actor.

[Spencer Pratt]

And damn.

[Heidi Montag]

So I get that call. I'm like, oh my God, I have to go back to college. You know, like, so now I'm back in college.

[Spencer Pratt]

Brody Jenner had step siblings at the time. When do you remember meeting Kim Kardashian for the first time? And what was she like back then?

[Heidi Montag]

All right, so I just shout out Esquire magazine for profiling me and the big. I thought this was going to be, like, positive. But since I said I should be Kim Kardashian, people like, got all weirded out about that. But it's. I feel that, you know, so I'm just going to defend myself. So now we're at the first night of the Princess of Malibu, our Fox show. I didn't even know he had stepsisters. I wasn't even aware. Maybe I met them that night. Like, totally irrelevant. A week later, you know, this has been denied, but Brody's the witness. And I don't know if he'll. Maybe he'll say it, but it's true. We get a call from Kris Jenner, who I don't know, and he puts her on speaker and she's like, we should do what you're doing in Malibu with our family in the Valley with your dad, Brody. And. And he hangs up. And I'm like, the Valley. You know, because, like, when I grew up, like, you did not. This isn't me saying this. This is what I grew up knowing. There was nobody filming anything in the Valley except pornos, you know, like, that was what the. I. You know, that's where they shot.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah, people used to. On the Valley. It was.

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah. Now give me one of those $80 million valley houses. I guess it's still. You need good academy. I don't. You know, but so we laughed. Haha. And I've thought about it a million times. Was that the call that, like, sabotaged my whole life that I didn't take? But then I really thought about it a million times. They went to then to Ryan Seacrest, who had a first look deal with E. They had to make a show per his contract. And they went to him and he had the power of not only E News, Kiss FM was popping. He just got American Idol. Like, that's a solid. I don't think if Brody and I had gone with cameras, shot the Kardashians, it would have been with the Kardashians, like, everything came perfect for what their magical portal happened. So I've thought about it a trillion times. But I met her for real. For real in the club. I remember Aria, you know, she was wearing like a Herve Ledger silver purplish dress, you know, and she, Kim, looked like a superstar and was famous like she deserves day one jump. She was famous at this point. Energetically. She knew who she was going to be. So she had that aura. And like, you know, I was joking with Kim and, you know, we were all having fun. She was totally cool, but that I remember meeting like, her at the club and like, you know, then she later filmed on the Hills and organized Heidi's closet and they didn't use the footage. And I once said this in an interview and her publicist was like, this is absolute lie. Da da da da. And then MTV pulled out the clip. Than one time they ever backed me with receipts and like, showed unedited Kim. Like, every now and then somebody tags me in a tweet of her, like, tweeting at me like, you, Heidi and Reggie need to go on a double date. And I'm like, how was I so popping in my head that I'm not, like, following through with this double date? I did follow through with Miley Cyrus tweeted us and we went and double dated with her and that. So I wasn't too insane. But if I had done everything different and if I was like, super, like, for how thirsty I am, like, what I should have done is Ben friends with everybody. That's what Kim is. Was so good at. And I'm not that type of person. Like, I don't want to go have fake lunches and fake drinks. And what if I played the game like a pro? I would have gone to drinks all the time with people that hated me and I hated them back. And we just all be fake. It's like, that's the problem with being a real person, which is good for reality tv, but, like, not for networking and building these. Because people message me like, oh, we should do this. And you can reach out to, like, your celebrity friend. Like, my what friends? Like, I got my friends from preschool and they don't even want me to name drop that I know them, you know, so.

[Spencer Pratt]

No, I appreciate that because I think that a lot of people don't know about the Princess of Malibu. Like, if you're on TikTok, sorry, but people may not know about it. And I think that it was interesting when you look back at your history that you started this, like, basically little reality show following Brody around, and Kim is just like, there in a scene and you're like, whoa, like, this was the beginning. And then I. I believe you that Chris called because it's like you guys were doing it before the Kardashians started it.

[Heidi Montag]

No. And at the time, Bruce not wasn't Caitlyn. So at the time, Bruce was filming for Princes. So Chris, they didn't use any of the footage but like he would come film, right? And he'd be on it. So he's going back home and tell like this is crazy. Da da da da. And you know, at the same time, the simple lives popping. So Kim's knowing about reality TV through.

[Spencer Pratt]

Paris and that's when reality TV really started to pop off. Was like slowly, like the simple life. And then obviously though, the biggest I think was when the Hills popped off. And that was when it was like, holy shit, this is reality tv.

[Heidi Montag]

And because yes, I got to the Hills me two part Call her daddy podcast. So come on, we're going to merge. Get your merch, call your daddy dot com. So, so wait, so yeah, back to college. So I go back to college and then one day I'm back from class, whatever, and my mom's best friend Lucy, they're in there watching this show. And my mom's friends, Lucy, like, you should date this girl. She's so cute. I'm like, what is this? And they're watching in Sheikh Date this girl. She's so cute. And it's Heidi. And I'm like, what is this show? Like, how is this even a show? This is season one. I'm like, this is the dumbest thing I ever seen in my life, right? And I'm like, this on tv. Like, yeah, it's so cute. And I see one of the names of the executive producers was a guy that Brody and I literally hired. Like we had a meeting. We hired. So I have his cell phone number. I call him. I'm like, mother bunker, you have a new show and you didn't put Brody and I. And he's like, spencer, no, it's a set cast of this girl from Laguna Beach. Like, it's not like that. I'm like, oh no. It's like that. We'll see you in the club. Like, I don't think so. That's our show. You got like Hollywood, like and this one, Brody was like running the clubs. And like, so all due respect, no girl from Laguna beach is doing a Hollywood show. I'm like, they have a Hollywood show. And you're so including us.

[Spencer Pratt]

Like, yeah.

[Heidi Montag]

So we're out. It's club was called Privilege. Justin Timberlake was just popping with Sexy. Can I. I think I remember just like hitting so hard in the, in the frickin club. And so this is when I was very into dancing. You know, this was. People danced Back then, you people weren't too cool to dance. We wanted to stand around. Like, it was like, yeah, dancing time. So I was dancing, and then Kristen was at the bar with Heidi and Heidi just in season one. I didn't know what even that meant. Nobody. Hills was not popping. So Heidi and I clear the dance floor. We're having a great time dancing, hit it off. We all drive back to Brody's house in Malibu. So she ends up spending the night we, you know, she says it's love at first sight. I guess now in retrospect, it was. But, you know, I had, you know, player ego clout, fame vibes. So I was like. And then she tell, no, we're seeing each other. But she is seeing. You know, she's not exclusive either to me. When I met Heidi, she was writing a book, had chapters, how to outplay the player. She had game galore. She was not this, like, innocent victim. Like, oh, my God, Spencer's talking to those playmates. Like, she was talking to old dude over here and old dude here. Like, she had two. Like, she had an A list athlete and an A list actor she was dating when I was supposedly looking like the bad guy. So if they had showed real Heidi and not this, like, bootleg, you know, just making girls look like this, like, that was where you got to see, like, an awesome girl that I would fall in love with who, like, show a girl a game that totally like. Yeah. Like, this is why I liked her. She, like, she was no victim. I wasn't playing her. It was like battle. We were like a master chess dating.

[Spencer Pratt]

And so can you tell us who she was dating?

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah, she was dating Chase Crawford, who was like the it, like hot guy, you know, peak, you know, Gossip Girl. Yeah. Like, couldn't be cooler. So she wasn't like, oh, poor Spencer.

[Spencer Pratt]

Like, right.

[Heidi Montag]

It was. Not that.

[Spencer Pratt]

I love hearing you say that, though, because I always felt that vibe from Heidi, but they always cast her as, like, damsel in distress. Like, Jordan's being Matt mean to me. And then she meets you, and it's like, Spencer's being mean to me. I'm like, that's not the vibe I get from Heidi.

[Heidi Montag]

So the problem with Heidi and I, we loved making TV shows and doing what the producer saying, here's the problem with the hills. All male producers, East Coast WASPy frickin dudes that they're now in charge of representing young women in Hollywood. And they're putting their toxic male weird narrative spins that they that's not facts. And it's not real life because I don't even think any of these guys date, you know, like, they don't know. Maybe they saw it in a movie.

[Spencer Pratt]

Like, they can't fathom a woman, like, spitting game on a guy and, like, change your number. Like, fuck you.

[Heidi Montag]

Way better show, too. It's like real Heidi was. I always say this. People to this day, like, oh, how are you still? It's like, because you don't know Real Heidi. Like, you guys are all, yeah. Like, it's like, yeah, like, I'm. They're not showing me begging her to be boyfriend girlfriend. You know, she's like, I don't want that title. Like, right. You know, like, she was more.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah. So, yeah, she had games.

[Heidi Montag]

She was against her.

[Spencer Pratt]

Like, you know, so now knowing that's actually a really great story, that it goes all the way back to your mom looking at the TV and being like, oh, you should date this girl. And then you guys actually meet and you immediately have a vibe. What was your first impression of Lauren Conrad when you met her?

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[Spencer Pratt]

What was your first impression of Lauren Conrad when you met her?

[Heidi Montag]

So let's do a disclaimer here for, you know, LC stands because they always like, oh my God, he still has to talk about llc. It's like, no, no. I was connected to a television franchise and this is a co star that is part of my fame. People I would love to have never talked to her for about her the rest of my life. But I am a great guest and I am honest and truthful. So there you go. So that's for the comment section. So I, I mean, nice, nice girl. Like I, we. It was all good to the point where I talked Brody in to breaking up with Nicole Richie to fake double date with LC So like, that's the level of how I felt about it. Like, let me help make your life better by bringing the best looking guy in Hollywood right now who all the girls want to date. I'll get him to break up with his celebrity, you know, superstar girlfriend. I will get him to come onto your show, pretend to be your, you know, interest to just everyone wins, you know. So like I was, I'm a teammate. I come from being on a team sport. I didn't play tennis, I didn't play golf. Like, the team wins. That's how I've always thought. So I was like, let's all win. We'll double gate. And I was already in the, you know, game from like working with the paparazzi for Princes of Malibu and setting up our shoots. And so like I was like, you know, our first double date, I had us coming out of the grove. You know, all due respect to Elsie, she'd never been in a tabloid until I unlocked that for her and gave her the, you know, as a team mate. Not, you know, I don't want credit. I wanted us all to win. So I had our paparazzi. This is pre. The entire world now does. This was vintage genius where you work with them instead of like hiding from them. Because this one tabloids sold like albums like you could drake. You know, one week, 3 million sales on us week. Like this was superpowers that I knew, understood. And I just watched a season two episode. LC Knew because if you look at her on the couch, she has every tabloid in her lap. That's what she's reading. So don't be mad at me, girl. So we come out of our double date, and I'm like, make sure you guys look to the left. You know, this is off camera. Just I'm really trying to, like, get us all to hang out on friends because now Heidi and I are seeing each other. Not boyfriend, girlfriend. And she's like, what? And I'm like, is that our camera? She's like, you called the paparazzi. I'm like, yeah, to get you into mag. So that was. I was like, oh, you're not all there. You know, like, don't have a full deck running here as you're trying to be on your second television show. Like, it's not like, I'm all for people who don't want to be famous, but, like, you're on a second show. Like, you spun off. Like, I get. Like, it fell into your lap in high school and it came to you and you auditioned, but now you've spun off. You've. You are choosing the path of fame. So now I'm like, so she, from the jump, kind of was weirded out. Like, oh, Spencer's like, that's why. She'll say things like, I don't trust him. It's like, you didn't understand. Like, I was ahead of this game. Like, I already saw how this worked on a way bigger scale because I'm not from Laguna beach, you know, Like, I'm from here. And watching Paris, watching how Nicole. Like, Nicole's an actual. You know, we ended up having a falling out or whatever. Ms. I was misquoted. I think, Holy. But she's a genius. So, like, she's a fame genius. So I studied under, you know, like, I'll call her a mentor in the. In the fame game. So I.

[Spencer Pratt]

She just.

[Heidi Montag]

Oh, she's as. She. She knows the game. That's why Paris called her smartest friend to be her teammate. She didn't call Kim, you know, like, hey, you wanna. You know, but so back to, like, you know, everything. We were best friends. She's like, you want to meet my dad? But eventually, the Brody couldn't play pretend anymore. Yeah, I wasn't saying fake date. LC that wasn't the initiative. Like, I was like, this would be great. Like, Heidi's cool. They're roommates. Like, I was hoping it worked out. It didn't work out from night one, you know, like, so once she was onto that she wanted her amazing wingmen, which I under wing woman totally get Heidi to not be with me. So her selfish motivations, she can put it on all these reasons of like, oh, I don't trust him. Or look at. She knew Heidi. Like, she knew Heidi's game that she knew about this and we know her. These girls were not victims, okay? They had their own television show. They were in the right in the heart of Hollywood. They're going out every night getting tables. These aren't these like pilgrims that like, we're like, oh, these poor little innocent.

[Spencer Pratt]

Right?

[Heidi Montag]

You know? Yeah, these girls are savvy. And I didn't get raised on being on television while 16, 17. Like, you're a veteran at this point. Like, yeah, I understood the backside of like tabloids and media, but when it came to making a TV show and like murking out people and like, yeah, you know what? Comments say this, like, this is a black belt level.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah. With regard to your relationship with Heidi, how did you guys separate reality from reality TV to keep your relationship healthy?

[Heidi Montag]

Thank God the show was so fake that it was. You know, every time now and then Heidi would get a little too drunk. Like one time in area, like, she knew I told her, like, we're gonna call these playmates. I'm gonna bring these girls. And she knew and she's like, I'll meet you there. And then drunk and he's like, asshole. Like, you know, like. And she really got all up in her feelings, you know, as you know, because she's like, I don't even want that, you know? But that's the problem when you play reality. Like, there's times where, you know, it affects you in real life. So thankfully it was so fake that all the fighting and everything was so like planned and rehearsed and scripted that it didn't. And then the other thing is we lived in my parents house in the Palisades, like in my high school room. Like, so we leave Hollywood and just go have our simple, you know, life in the. You know, we weren't up in the scene. Like, it looks so, like we never lived in that apartment that we filmed in or that house we filmed in. So I imagine it would have been harder if we were immersed in that world and these were our real friends and our real relationship.

[Spencer Pratt]

But you guys really took a turn to be like the most hated couple in the world and Heidi got all the surgery. Did you ever try to convince Heidi not to get surgery?

[Heidi Montag]

No. One thing I never tried to do ever with Heidi and What people understand is like, Heidi's the boss. Like, I work for Heidi to this day. Like, that's this whole, like, you know, like, that's people who really know the inner workings of our relationship. Like, like, excuse me, my French. Like, I'm the pussy whip. Like, you know, like, it's not like, oh, Heidi, I think you should do this. Like, Heidi came from a little town across the Butte with dreams of being a star. Like, she, like. So, no, I never told Heidi what to do because I just. I was. I was filming her. She was like, put the camera on me, cameraman. Like, you know, if you watch the footage, like, I'm just her cameraman. I said to her, yes, yesterday, I'm like, I'm literally your cameraman. So, yeah, also, let's rewind a surgery because it's in tears. First time she even got the idea of getting surgery was Us Weekly approached her and was like, hey, we have this top plastic surgeon. It wasn't even in her head, you know, that wants to do. You know, we'll give you a nose job and implants. And Heidi's like. And they're like, this would cost 50,000, whatever. And Heidi's a hustler. And she's like, 50,000 for free. And this US Week, he's coming to me. I'm not going to say his name. Ken came to her. And so, you know, you know, and she had grown up getting made fun of about her nose her whole life. You look. This was early day comment section. Every single comment, I'm always like, don't read that as just saying she has a Jay Leno chin. And so she's now in her head of all these things. That's early, you know, comment section. So that she has this meeting with this top, you know, Rest in peace, Dr. Frank Ryan. He's dead, but she has a meeting with him. And he. She's showing. He's showing her all the A list superstars, all the things he's done. But, you know, sign top secret. They're not telling anyone. It's just. She's realizing this is the game. So she does the nose job. Boobs. It's not the end of the world. People don't, you know, people. She didn't have to tell the truth also, like, yeah, this time I'm not going to say other big pop people were literally, without a doubt got nose jobs. Got it. Like, that was standard operating procedure. But Heidi is just honest. Like, I'm gonna tell people this is what I did, which, you know, I'M like, I don't care, whatever. Like, keep in mind, I've already dated Heidi for so long in love, already felt like, this isn't like, oh, this is what you need to do now. For us to be like, we're already battling the world. Like, this isn't going to change our relationships. I'm like, I don't win, win. I don't care either way. Whatever. Do what you want to do to your body. I'm scared and I couldn't even. I can't even get shots. Like. So it's way past my world of, like, knives and, you know. So all good. The follow up, the one that people all freaked out on, I'll never forget. I even have it on video as she's going in because she. When she was doing her Miss Universe, she got elbow by one of the backup dancers and they hit her nose. And so she like, like, it's like den in. They're gonna like, pop it out, whatever. So she goes to have like, that done that morning. He's like, while you're under, we, you know, we could just little. And I hear the word minor so many times. It's like, it's so early in the morning when you drop these people off for surgery. It's like, I'm not even thinking. I hear minor. Sorry. Just like, I don't. I hear she already got lip injections that seem minor. Like, oh, minor. And you hear the word injection and this. Everything's minor. And he just had this blue pen and he's just like. Like, there's a lot of blue. Neither of us are thinking, like, oh, my God. He's like, this is. Minor is the word we heard a million times. Cut to, like, the most traumatic. So, no, it was not, like, a positive time.

[Spencer Pratt]

That's also just so crazy to hear you talk about it too, because of, like, how manipulative and really scary. Like, when you're young, you don't understand. And these doctors should do a better job of explaining, like, the fact that they said minor to you and you're like, it was in the morning. Also the fact they're like, it was the day of. And they're like, we can just do this. Like, we'll scoop out your back, we'll pin back your ears.

[Heidi Montag]

Well, and he's saying the price of each thing. And like, back to Heidi, who's like a banker. He's like, this is 25,000. I mean, it was like a quarter million dollars when he, like, he's like, in all cross all this Was like out of like a movie where he like. Like you're like shopping for clothes and they add it all up and he's like void zero dollars. So it's like in her head, Ms. Business.

[Spencer Pratt]

It's like a business.

[Heidi Montag]

Like, oh, my God, it's like a bargain. He's giving me a quarter million and like make. And this what all. I'm not gonna name stars, but this is what all they do. But they spread it out. Like, everything she did is like standard a list.

[Spencer Pratt]

Totally.

[Heidi Montag]

I'm not naming the women, but.

[Spencer Pratt]

But it's obvious.

[Heidi Montag]

This is standard a list women. But once a year, you know, you don't knock it all out.

[Spencer Pratt]

Right.

[Heidi Montag]

You don't drop it off at the body shop.

[Spencer Pratt]

What do you miss about being one of the most famous couples in the world at the time?

[Heidi Montag]

Oh, just the money. Like. Yeah. Like I would. If you asked me to never be famous or just be rich, I would. I thought being famous was the easy way to get rich. Like, if I put the amount of energy as I put into being famous as just like doing like a normal rich person job, like a banker, like, I would be rich. So. Yeah, like how the E, like getting just paid by Coca Cola to hold a co killer. Here's $10,000. Like, like what? Yeah, you know, so like that level of like, then people like, why do you want to be famous? Like, because that. It's so hard, but it's so easy when you're like in the. When you're getting the checks. Like, at one time we were making a million dollars a year selling our paparazzi photo photos. Like going and looking cheesy, you know, like dressing up in dumb little like Easter Bunny. Like. So that part is hands down, that makes sense.

[Spencer Pratt]

So people hated you more than people who murdered people. You were more hated than O.J.

[Heidi Montag]

Simpson at one point and Casey Anthony. Yep.

[Spencer Pratt]

How did that make you feel at the time?

[Heidi Montag]

Well, at the time it was a victory because David Foster had put me into the game by. He knew Simon Cowell. I didn't watch American Idol. And he was like Spence, once the Fox started going, he's like, you need to be the young Simon Cowan's like, who? Like, and he's like the like the hated guy, the villain. The like, you know, I was like, gotcha. Like, sound sounds easy. Coach put me in. So I. There was no social media. I was so naive to think. And I thought everybody knew Hollywood was just lights, camera, action, fake as could be. I didn't understand middle America. This was Bible you know, like, this was, you know, the holy spirit over here. And I'm over here just trying to get ratings, bonuses. Like, if we ever got to 5 million, I got a million dollar check just that day. So no matter what I'm reading, I'm over here like chasing a million dollar one. Like we're like at 4.24, but I'm like, oh, what could I do to get to that million dollars to do what I'm already doing that night? So my mindset at that point, at one time I had like, hate Spencer Pratt.com where like, you could go and like, comment like, I hate. Like, I thought it was so fun and like, ridiculous until, you know, I started driving around and like everyone was just flicking me off out windows. I was like, oh my God. Like, who's watching this show? Like, chill. Like, I thought this was like a fun, like, party show. Why you guys isn't the news on? Like, aren't we in Iraq? Like, isn't there a war? Like, I just never understood because I came from like play pretend with the princes and everything. And I just thought, you know, so.

[Spencer Pratt]

No, you understood what you were doing. And then when people did it and they thought it was real, you were like, wait, guys.

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah. And I know. And like Brody will say to anybody that's like, Spencer planned every single. Like, he's a witness to like the pre. Like the, the blueprint. Like, I executed it too well, you know, and here's how they got me. And this how the predatory producer, you know, and me being naive and Heidi just hit me with this. And I was like, oh my God, I'm so triggered by that quote they were always saying, we're going to. This is your redemption arc. We're going to redeem. So I'm always chasing, like, you do this and then we're going to. So I'm like, I like this. But it's like, I should have been like, watch Batman. I'm like, there's no way the Joker is getting redeemed. Like part three, you know, Like, I just, I just like, oh, yeah, that sounds great. You know, redeem me. Yeah. What? Season four. Like, woo. So like, I fell for that just con, which, you know, that's a problem when you're 23 and you do think you're smarter than everybody, which I obviously was. Not that I just got, you know, I thought I was in with everybody and I'm working with this producer that I already made this show with. But as I. Oh no, they were sailing me off the Waterfall like Niagara. And you know, I didn't care because they're also blood money paying. You know, we're the highest paid people on television at this time. So I'm, I'm going, I had a million dollar suit collection. Not even wear suits. And then I gave them all to my friend who was a real estate agent. Shout out Mikey P. And you know, so like, like, because I was like, what do you do with lost money? You buy suits. Like it's a ritual. No. Oh, no, no. Buy gold. That's what I would say. That's the one thing I did. It was smart. At one time I bought like all this gold. So I carried a backpack around with like half a million gold coins. Just say because you can't spend gold. You know, like it takes.

[Spencer Pratt]

It would keep you in line. What about a business manager?

[Heidi Montag]

We had them problem with business managers. Let me tell you, not only do they take, they take 5% of all the money you spend because they have to like do the math for it. Oh. So be careful with a business manager because they love you spending money. That's their favorite.

[Spencer Pratt]

Your friend. You're like, I can't spend this.

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah, I should have bought more of it.

[Spencer Pratt]

Right, right, right. Okay. Spencer, you created the concept. I am now convinced. I look back and I'm like, there was simple life. There was like newlyweds with Jessica Simpson and Nick Lachey, like early, early days. But you created the reality show villain.

[Heidi Montag]

Oh, I'll take that 1000%. Right, like military. Yes. Give me my one credit. Yes. I'm going to add that to my Wikipedia.

[Spencer Pratt]

The originator of the reality star.

[Heidi Montag]

And it was fun until you realize, like, there's no getting out. So as I look back, there were frank inviting is which I learned later is where they're just taking audio and putting it there and putting you at an event you're not at saying you did this. Like I was just watching this episode where Lauren comes in like that Heidi stood her up and there's a note from Heidi. Anyone that knows Heidi, her handwriting looks like Egyptian hieroglyphs. Like she doesn't know what she's writing. I don't know if she can even write. And so this cute little note, like, sorry, Laura Elcey, like I can't hang out. Like went to the movies of censor. Love you. Like perfect calligraphy. Like, Heidi never wrote that note. They never told her she was standing up. Elsie. It's like these simple things like murk you out. And Lauren's playing her along. She knows Heidi didn't write that note. And coming in like, heidi, Heidi. Knowing, like, you were just in your apartment, they just mic'd you up, like, do like, good for you. Like freaking Blake Lively over there.

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[Spencer Pratt]

So let me explain to you what I'm thinking. I've sat down with reality people now, and sitting down with you, who was, like, the originator of the villain, I want to expose how easily the edit process is that reality TV uses to make something look like a conversation happened. And it really was a complete different conversation that happened. Do you know what I mean? So who is someone that you really dislike? Like, someone that pisses you off and can get you, like, riled up?

[Heidi Montag]

You can be Adam De Villo.

[Spencer Pratt]

Okay, I'm Adam Devillo. Okay? And I'm going to. We're about. We're in a fight. We are in a fight right now. I'm Adam, you're Spencer, and I'm talking so much shit to you. This is what's going to happen is. The point is, is I'm gonna. It's like, I'm a producer being like, you're pissed at Adam. What would you say to Adam? And it's like, fuck you. And then you walk out of the interview. What I'm gonna do is at the beginning of this episode, it's gonna be a cold open, and I'm gonna dub in a different question of me being like, spencer, you're irrelevant. How do you feel? And you're gonna be looking at me when really everyone right now will see what that original thing was. I'm talking about Adam Devillo. But we're gonna cut it and make it look like you were shitting on me. And you walk out of the Color Daddy inter interview.

[Heidi Montag]

Oh, my gosh.

[Spencer Pratt]

You ready?

[Heidi Montag]

That's so scary. Well, give me a few minutes to.

[Spencer Pratt]

Tell you how I'm envisioning it.

[Heidi Montag]

No, I see the vision, but I'm just, like, trying to think about what I would actually say that could come off believable.

[Spencer Pratt]

Like, you.

[Heidi Montag]

You're predatory person. Ooh, that's pretty good.

[Spencer Pratt]

Oh, my God. That's better than anything we had. That's way stronger than a you. Do you have a notes app of what you want to say to Villo?

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah, I do. You need to drink some of your chin.

[Spencer Pratt]

We're gonna need to get. We can do it twice. Like, we just want to get the best. And again, what is happening right here is gonna go in the episode, just so you know. You're not getting fucked over. Like, we're gonna show, you know, as.

[Heidi Montag]

Long as this goes on Spotify. Yeah, I don't care what you show.

[Spencer Pratt]

Power of edit, baby. Oh, I liked that first line. You said.

[Heidi Montag]

Yes, but it's not dramatic enough, right? Because I mean, you are a predatory person.

[Spencer Pratt]

I can't even take it seriously. Okay, here we go. I think it would be dramatic if you get up and walk.

[Heidi Montag]

I'm going to. Definitely. I'm just.

[Spencer Pratt]

Okay, you're practicing. Practicing. You're practicing.

[Heidi Montag]

Oh, yeah. You. This interview. Stupid podcast. This shit's over a year.

[Spencer Pratt]

What the. That was.

[Alex Cooper]

Spencer.

[Spencer Pratt]

Dude, that was good. That was good. I agree, I agree. No, I think that was pretty good because you said you. This. I'm gonna do one more and I'm gonna keep all this in of like. Guys, this is. This is. I'm like poking him. I'm. Adam, develop. I'm like. You are so.

[Heidi Montag]

That's the thing. You wouldn't even. That's what's so crazy about reality tv. Adam Deville wouldn't be here. They send these. They call like, for the hills. It was called the. She was called the Collector. That's how shady this is. To collect the.

[Spencer Pratt]

And she would just get out of you?

[Heidi Montag]

No, she would come and like, she fake jerked off and busted a nut on my face to pump, like, to like. And it worked and I like, went nuts.

[Spencer Pratt]

Okay, so let's like, channel that annoyance.

[Heidi Montag]

Who let me call Heidi. Who do I dislike? Hi, honey. Who do I. Who do I really dislike that I could channel just like. Like, lots of anger for a fake scene here. I feel like I don't talk to enough people to hate anybody anymore. Oh, thank you, honey. I knew you would know.

[Spencer Pratt]

Love you, honey.

[Heidi Montag]

Bye. You're welcome. Here, I'll put you on the mic. There you go. You're good. You're good. Love you. Pratt. Daddy Dot com. Pratt. Daddy dot. Love you. Stream. Superficial. So, yeah, Car. Oh, lots of people did. But one one I have to see.

[Spencer Pratt]

Pretend I'm him. You're a loser.

[Heidi Montag]

Oh, yeah. This is the biggest waste of time. I can't even believe Spotify gave you a show. I bet this doesn't even last another year. Why don't you just delete this whole fucking episode? Good luck with your little imaginary boyfriend. You never show on fucking ig. Straight. You Alex. Fucking confirmed Fucking fuck.

[Spencer Pratt]

Spencer. Spencer. Meryl Streep. No, that was good.

[Heidi Montag]

What I've learned is, like, the more exaggerated the faker it looks now because now everyone Is so exaggerated on all these shows.

[Spencer Pratt]

So you gotta, like, well, in post edit. And that's the beauty. Again, I'll share with everyone watching is like, we'll look back and see which one looks more real. Maybe the first one looks more real because it was less.

[Heidi Montag]

Try hard even, you know, the holy spirit. I may give you a third. Just out of nowhere. So, you know, third. You know, you have to do these 12 times. That's like that video I sent you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I rewatched it like, this supposedly where I'm bullying Heidi into, like, moving in with me to, like, I would never move into Kirsten Avenue. Like, I'm not bullying anyone to, like, like, live across from Boa or Boca. What? It's. I don't even. Yeah, yeah. Like a liquor store. Like, so, no, I was not. But this big scene, this was when it was a wrap for me, right. Was when I. She's like, I don't think I want to move in with you. Like, doing her Meryl Streep level. And I'm like, then get it. My answer is, get out of my car. We did that at least 12 times. They're like, floor the car more. And when they're shooting the exhaust pipe, she gets in the car right after we go to Don Antonio's. Like, that's just a night. But, like, boom. And here's how I'm even crazier. The song that they, like, put to it, like, apologize. Yeah. I gave them the One Republic song. I was like, this would be so good. Because Heidi was, like, in talks to do a song with Ryan Tedder, and he, like, played me that. I'm like, I'll get this on the hill. So then I even gave them the murder song.

[Spencer Pratt]

As we're kind of.

[Heidi Montag]

We're not wrapping up. We're not?

[Spencer Pratt]

No, no, no, we're not. You're like, I'm not leaving. Thank you for playing along. That was a great promo. Is there a specific manufactured storyline you regret saying yes to?

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah, the sex tape. I didn't think people, like, big deal. I thought it was, like, clout, too. Like, Kim just made so much off of hers. It wasn't a negative. There were not. No tape even ended up coming out. So, like, I thought that that's why I played along. Called a fake producer that wasn't on the phone with LC it was me pretending to apologize. Something I didn't do to a producer. Like. Yeah.

[Spencer Pratt]

To your knowledge, did Adam Devillo ever abuse his power when producing the show?

[Heidi Montag]

And in what Ways, you know, here's what's so funny. Like, I was ready to go all in on Adam, but I'm a mercenary. If they call me right now to be on selling Sunset and I hate him more than anyone on earth, I'd be like, what's my fee? You know, like, so you can't even ask somebody who's like, like a mercenary about people because, like, I should have known his last name is Devil with an O. Like, that's not a coincidence. And think, here's the other thing that I now have the benefit of perspective with.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah.

[Heidi Montag]

Like, we've now been on two seasons of Celebrity Big Brother. We are locked up, you know, 50 plus days. A producer. We did. I'm a celebrity, get me out of here. Marriage, boot camp, wife swap, famous food. Like, the list of shows of dealing with producers, not to mention all these pilots you shoot. And like, there's nobody like that guy. So here's the problem with people like Adam and how they'll always win. They're male and he brings in his enablers and they're all like, guarded, you know, I'm not saying this is like, they will always win because there's then me, the mercenary, because I know this is a demonic demon. And I was like, put me on Netflix. So, right. All these people around Christine, they're not gonna back her because they don't want to rock the ship. They don't wanna, Right. You know, they don't want selling Sunset to end. So that's how me too. And this, these people are enabled because the people around them are like, ain't happening to me. Like you, because I'm one of his. Like, I'm sure the way he treated Whitney and LC and God knows how they probably love him because when things did come out in Heidi's store or whatever, guess who's the first one to be like, he's the best guy ever. Maybe to you, but that's not the truth. Like, that's your ver. Like you can't defend, you know, so totally.

[Spencer Pratt]

And I think it's fucked up because, like you're saying these men in these position of power insulate themselves with all these other men that are going to make him like, almost impenetrable to any type of. Any type of getting in trouble. And however what you're saying also is because you're the mercenary, it's fucked up. Like, we saw Christine Quinn was one of the first people, which she's fortunate. She's got a lot of fucking money. She's Got her own money and she's got her husband that has a fuck ton of money. And so when you're in a position where you need this person that's in a position of power and fucked up, but you need to make a living, you need money, you're kind of at the hands of their power. And so I hear what you're saying. You're like, I would take the Netflix show because that's what your career is. But you're not saying, he's a good guy. I want to, because I've never talked about this to my listeners. So when Heidi was on Caller Daddy last year, she brought up an incident where the producer from the Hills was physical with her. After filming that episode, the MTV rep, that rep tidy, called my team and said, you need to take that out of the episode or you can't air it. I don't even know if Heidi knows this.

[Heidi Montag]

Definitely doesn't know. Okay, shout out Joya and Jay and who else? I love you.

[Spencer Pratt]

I don't even know.

[Alex Cooper]

So we get.

[Heidi Montag]

That's what's so shady. Because it's like they protect the net. Like, I love mtv, but it's like, that's Adam. She didn't say mtv. You can't. Like, that's the.

[Spencer Pratt]

So my team gets this call and Daddy gang listening. Like, you can go back and that interview, I. They said, you have to take that part out or you can't air the episode. I thought it was coming from Heidi and I'm like, who am I to put someone's like, abuse story out there if they don't want it out? So I took it out of the episode. Fast forward, few weeks ago, Christine Quinn sits down with me and she talks about how Adam Devillo is the new producer who is the original producer of the Hills. And she mentions Heidi's name in the interview, saying, we both had really bad experiences with these producers. Immediately, I messaged Heidi. I go right to Heidi because I'm like, I don't want to put your name in the episode if you're not comfortable with it. I know Christine doesn't want to speak for you. I want to make sure you're good with it. And Heidi was like, absolutely put it in there. It's the truth. To which I then realized, oh, my God, last year I fully got played. I was like, last year that was not Heidi not wanting to put that in. But now that you're done with the Hills, can you explain what the fuck happened with that whole situation?

[Heidi Montag]

Again, I wasn't there. I Was never allowed to be. That's why. That's why these predator type people like that, people that want the smoke, they won't have. Like, I never interacted with Adam ever, once he knew my level, you know, like, you don't play. Like I don't play. So I never got to interact with Adam because it would have been on. So I was banned from the shoot, the photo shoot that this happened. So what I did was send Shout out Kevin Carlson, her bodyguard, to go in my place because I, you know, I'm like, I'm not. I'm not allowed to go to her photo shoot. So.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah, that's weird.

[Heidi Montag]

Again, you would need Heidi here. But from my. What I recall is she had one of those loose fitting, you know, I guess there was also a comment about her new boobs, you know, like, you know, because she just had. Nobody had seen that whatever. And she had one of those backs that like are open back where it's like pretty much like in the right angles, like butt cheek, you know, like of a dress. And I guess he like put his hand like ass cheek grab and the security to the point where he like chopped her his hand off and was like checked him, you know, shout out Kevin gangster. But he was there. This happened. So we had a witness. We like, he was.

[Spencer Pratt]

You know, it makes me really sad for Heidi that it took years. Like everyone is believing Christine Quinn right now.

[Heidi Montag]

Oh. Literally when this came out, I again, I didn't watch something sunset because I hate this person so much. I don't care how good the show is. Adam, right. But when I saw this, I was like, this is an angel from heaven just came in and she's in this outfit. I'm like, she is out of the. This is the matrix. This is literally trinity coming to. Like, and it took what, 12 years? Like you can go back on Google. And she was like, this is not appropriate. Like you can't. Like she felt the point where she called me and I was like, what the. So I called and I left some psycho message, you know, like I'm. I hope he still has it.

[Spencer Pratt]

I hope.

[Heidi Montag]

You know, but here's how weird life is. And so when I went back to college to finally graduate in2013, I'm in a staples on Olympic and I go. Because I drink lots of water and fluids. I go to go pee in the staples and you know, I'm not a. Like a. I like to go in the stalls, pee. I feel more protected, you know. So I open the stall door. Guess whose face I look at Adam, Adam Devillo. I haven't seen this person since 2000, maybe the first night of Hills film filming. I've never even seen him since then. Opening and he looks like I'm there to murder him, you know, because this is like some random staples in the men's room in the stall. He's coming out and he's like. And it took me. I didn't like process. Like, who is like, why is this.

[Spencer Pratt]

So out of contact?

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah, like, what's happening? I just want to pee. Like, you're blocking the urinal here. Like toilet, get out of the way. And he's like, spencer, what are you doing here? I'm like, adam, like, what are you doing? He's like, I'm going to the bathroom. Like, I'm like. I'm like, why are you in Staples? I'm like buying books for college. Why are you here? And he's like, because I work down the street and this is the better bathroom. I'm like, huh. So you know, to this day I think he doesn't believe I was buying staples. And it was like, I can touch you if I want. I could get you anywhere. Type like. Like just know anytime you're going to the bathroom, I could open the stall door and be there. Like, that's how I think God wanted me to have that last. Like, don't ever feel too cozy on that toilet because that door could open and it could be me. So, you know, like it was a weird moment, but it's like I didn't have. It had been three years I was back in college. I didn't, I hadn't been. I'm now back in the game, trying to be famous again. So like I'm mad again. But then I didn't like really care. But he couldn't accept that. Like, and I was so chill and I was like, oh, what do you up to? Like. And he was like, what are you? And then Heidi comes like, why are you here? And she's like, I'm like, it was just.

[Spencer Pratt]

He probably. He couldn't. He did not believe it could have been a coincidence.

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah, no way.

[Spencer Pratt]

You are here to kill me.

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah. One stalking trillion percent. Here's the weirdest part. So years before this, just to show you how demonic this project with the hills was.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah.

[Heidi Montag]

We go out for a pitch with one of these evil producers because again, we're mercenaries and he's like, hey, I want to pitch you a lifetime. We're like, okay, like his right hand guy. So we go this Pitch and we're sitting there and he's like, it's amazing. We can all tell him, this lifetime executive that we can all sit here. I mean, at one time, we were trying to steal Heidi's soul. And, like, Heidi just starts hysterically crying in real life because she's, like, so triggered by, like, knowing that. Like, she felt that. And it's like the Pitch went so silent, like, stealing her soul. Like, what we.

[Spencer Pratt]

Adam Devillo said, no, no, his right hand man. Oh, his right hand man.

[Heidi Montag]

His is literally said at one point.

[Spencer Pratt]

We were trying to steal Heidi's soul.

[Alex Cooper]

Now look where we are.

[Heidi Montag]

Yeah. Like, and we can all be together. And, like, Pitch and Heidi's like, that's.

[Spencer Pratt]

Why I felt that way for so many years, you fucking psychos. Okay, what is the wildest thing you've done to make a headline? Tell us.

[Heidi Montag]

Oh, I mean, any headline you ever saw, I was behind. And so it's like, I actually, thanks to my mom. Mom, she said, thank you. I have a. The biggest thing you've ever seen in your life. Of every cover, tabloid, everything I've ever been in. And the other day I pulled it out just to, like, Because I was going to do tick tocks on them. Was like, everyone was the most crazy stories. I'm like, made that up. Made that up. Made that up. One time we made our entire house look like we were squatters. They're not squatters. Like, like, what are those people that, like, fill up a house with stuff?

[Spencer Pratt]

Oh, hoarders.

[Heidi Montag]

Hoarders. We filled it up with hoarders and, like, you know, like, just made it, like, piled up and, like, got a In Touch magazine cover. Like, Heidi and Spencer are in squalor In Touch cover. I think we got 25k shout out. Dan Wakeford. What the. Yeah, like, so, I mean, like, that's like a petty one, but, like, everything you could ever think of. We once did a deal for like, a half a million just for four covers of US Weekly. There's no. We didn't know what the covers were. It's like, let's make stuff up, you know, so I'd have to go through. But like, the weirdest thing that I didn't have to do with that. I saw a headline recently that Heidi called me. The article said Heidi called me, like, chicken legs or something. And Spencer was gonna get calf implants. I was like, calf implants? Like, even if I had, I do have. I don't have a big calf, but, like, I wouldn't. I hate needles. But, like, that's the level calf. I was like, so I have so many of them.

[Spencer Pratt]

That is behind them all, you know, that's really cool that you have those, like, momentum.

[Heidi Montag]

Oh, I want to frame them all. And Heidi's like, there's. They're not going on the wall. I'm like, this is art, honey. This is.

[Spencer Pratt]

We'll put them next to our portraits in our homes of ourselves.

[Heidi Montag]

We do have every cover frame, but I want that. Like, I want spreads frame. Like six pages. Is everyone. These are. There's a lot of BS we had to make up.

[Spencer Pratt]

I love that.

[Heidi Montag]

So I should be in creative writing. Because he's like, you be on and you just be. You know, I. Yeah, I don't think.

[Spencer Pratt]

People give you enough credit.

[Heidi Montag]

I. I always complain about that. That's one of my. I'm chasing credit, you know, I'm gonna.

[Spencer Pratt]

Give it to you right now. Like, you went to usc. The whole backstory. I'm happy you told us of the Princess of Malibu. Like, like, knowing you went to Brazil. You were shooting.

[Heidi Montag]

I will let you watch that.

[Spencer Pratt]

I want to watch.

[Heidi Montag]

You can watch. You. I will let you and then I'll.

[Spencer Pratt]

Tell you what I think.

[Heidi Montag]

No, I know you're going to be like, you could win an Oscar. It's the. It's insane. Like, it's the work of art.

[Spencer Pratt]

Like, okay, Spencer, what are you insecure.

[Heidi Montag]

About not getting credit? You know, for, like, for my level of, like, energy I've put into success, you know, I don't. I don't get treated with any credibility, you know, so that's an insecurity in the sense that, like, I've worked since 2004 non stop on reality TV, fame and, you know, and people are just like, oh, I hate a guy from the hills that took work full. Like, I was working like that a job. So, you know, that's definitely an insecurity. And, you know, thankfully being a dad created my new focus on just being like, the best dad. So it's like, it's less selfish. So no matter what, like, I've now transitioned. Like, I'm kind of like a rap, you know, like, whatever happens with my career and like, titles, like now I've already moved on to, like, let me build the best superstar child and great human. So, like, that has been a great energy shift, which I wish. It's a hard balance because I learned so many lessons. But, like, should I have had a kid sooner or did I need to go through everything to be ready to be a parent? So. But insecurities I know.

[Spencer Pratt]

I think that's a great answer. Do you think being a dad has changed you a lot?

[Heidi Montag]

It made me now thirsty again because I'm like, you know, like, let's get success. And I've like, people are like, why are you still trying to be famous? Like, that is where I'm at. Like, I'm not going to go be a banker now. I can't go be Camilla and be a lawyer. Like, even though Kim's being a lawyer, like, I don't have that time for the baby bar. It's like I am going to be a television star again. Gonna get a show if I'm gonna produce. Like, that's why I'm now back in the game.

[Spencer Pratt]

I think producing for you.

[Heidi Montag]

Oh, no. It's is going down. Like, it's. The slate is strong. So that's the only reason why like, like, why do you want this against like. Because now it's time. Like I had already I was living in Santa Barbara at my parents beach house. I was done. But now because I could live like that with just Heidi and eat tacos and be chill. But I want to give my son and future family members, you know, because Heidi doesn't want to stop at one. So it's like I want to build, you know, solid, you know, because I grew up with amazing life.

[Spencer Pratt]

Yeah. It's too late to be a dentist, Spencer Pratt.

[Heidi Montag]

I just want to look to the camera and thank the daddy gang. Oh my God. For all the Daddy gang promo code daddy and you get 20 off prad daddy crystals. You know, I usually go to 15, but since it's daddy cake and I'm Pratt Daddy. That is funny. I was proud daddy before you were. Yeah. You know, you kind of hijacked the Daddy gang bands. I think I and I used to literally claim as Snapchat of year as proud daddy. I'll be like, gang, gang. We out here. Gang, gang.

[Spencer Pratt]

They never saw.

[Heidi Montag]

No, you didn't. I know. You're too young.

[Spencer Pratt]

You can't hijack something you didn't know existed.

[Heidi Montag]

No. Energetically.

[Spencer Pratt]

Honestly. Thank you so much for coming.

[Heidi Montag]

I'm not ending. I'm gonna.

[Spencer Pratt]

I'm leaving to keep.

[Heidi Montag]

This is the real way to show.

[Spencer Pratt]

Thank you so much. Got to go.

[Heidi Montag]

Clout Spotify. Spotify live after room. I'm going to like be live after her show and doing my own live room.

[Spencer Pratt]

Goodbye, Spencer. Thank you so much for calling on Call her daddy. I really do appreciate it.

[Heidi Montag]

All right, let's cut. I'm not going to Stand up, dude.

[Spencer Pratt]

You're great. That was great.

[Heidi Montag]

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[Spencer Pratt]

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[Alex Cooper]

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[Heidi Montag]

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[Heidi Montag]

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[Heidi Montag]

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