Trinity Rodman: The Truth about My Family

Summary

Call Her Daddy: Trinity Rodman – The Truth About My Family

Episode Release Date: December 18, 2024

Introduction

In this revealing episode of Call Her Daddy, host Alex Cooper sits down with Trinity Rodman, a rising star in the world of professional soccer and the daughter of the legendary basketball player Dennis Rodman. The conversation delves deep into Trinity's personal life, exploring her upbringing, her tumultuous relationship with her father, and the challenges she faces as a female athlete in a predominantly male-dominated sport.

Early Life and Upbringing in Newport Beach

Trinity Rodman opens up about her childhood in Newport Beach, highlighting the complexities of growing up in a wealthy area without the financial means typically associated with such environments.

[11:26] Trinity Rodman: "I grew up in Newport Beach, which, as everyone kind of knows, it's a very wealthy area. And I loved growing up in Newport. It was amazing. Beautiful place."

Despite the picturesque setting, Trinity reveals the struggles her family faced due to financial constraints, including sharing a room with her mother during high school and the constant effort to "keep up with the Joneses."

[11:26] Trinity Rodman: "Growing up in a wealthy place when you don't have money is a different struggle. It was really difficult for me, my mom and my brother..."

She credits her club coach, Greg Baker, for providing opportunities that helped her pursue soccer despite financial hardships.

[12:30] Trinity Rodman: "We got help a lot from one of my club coaches, Greg Baker. He kind of set me up and helped me."

Family Dynamics and Relationship with Dennis Rodman

A significant portion of the conversation centers around Trinity's relationship with her father, Dennis Rodman. Trinity shares the emotional turmoil of having a father who is both a public figure and personally absent.

[06:06] Trinity Rodman: "Your father is Dennis Rodman. He's one of the most famous basketball players of all time... and today we're gonna get into it."

Trinity explains how her father's absence and sporadic presence have impacted her and her siblings, leading to feelings of neglect and emotional strain.

[07:58] Trinity Rodman: "I guess this is my opportunity to kind of talk more... I don't know, I just feel like I've been holding in a lot and a lot of issues that we've gone through."

She recounts a poignant moment when Dennis Rodman attended one of her crucial games, leading to a mix of joy and frustration.

[37:54] Trinity Rodman: "I was just crying on the field... I was super mad. I was happy we won, but I was just like, fuck you."

Trinity discusses the cyclical nature of her father's involvement—brief appearances often followed by extended periods of absence—highlighting the emotional challenges this inconsistency brings.

[41:04] Trinity Rodman: "I think it fucks me up every single time. Even now, hearing his voice is like painful because I think it's missing him mixed with... he's an alcoholic."

Impact on Personal Life and Relationships

Trinity delves into how her strained relationship with her father has influenced her romantic relationships and love life. She identifies a deficiency in affection and physical touch, which she attributes to her upbringing.

[49:37] Trinity Rodman: "I think my love language is affection and like physical touch. But I think that's because I never got that from my dad."

She reflects on past relationships, acknowledging how her insecurities led her to become overly reliant on partners for validation.

[51:05] Trinity Rodman: "My first relationship... I was extremely insecure in myself and I kind of let the person walk all over me."

Challenges as a Female Athlete

Trinity addresses the unique struggles faced by female athletes, including lack of recognition, pay disparities, and the constant scrutiny of their personal lives compared to their male counterparts.

[61:31] Trinity Rodman: "I think the recognition pay, obviously, like even just being on media and it's like, obviously NBA, NFL makes way more money... it's just like damn."

She also touches on the double standards in behavior expectations, where female athletes are often judged more harshly for actions that male athletes might be excused for.

[63:55] Trinity Rodman: "Why can't I just be enough?"

Balancing Personal Identity and Athletic Career

Throughout the episode, Trinity emphasizes the importance of carving out her own identity separate from her father's legacy and her athletic career. She expresses a desire to enjoy her achievements without them being overshadowed by familial expectations.

[65:07] Trinity Rodman: "I don't want soccer to be my entire bane of existence. I don't want to live, die, breathe soccer."

Legacy and Future Aspirations

Trinity concludes by sharing her aspirations for her legacy in sports. Rather than aiming to be the top scorer or the most decorated athlete, she aspires to bring joy and fun to the sport, making it enjoyable for both players and fans alike.

[66:20] Trinity Rodman: "I want to be the athlete that brought the fun to sport. That simple."

Conclusion

This episode of Call Her Daddy offers an intimate glimpse into Trinity Rodman's life, revealing the profound effects of her father's absence and the challenges she faces as a female athlete. Through candid conversations and emotional storytelling, Trinity not only sheds light on her personal struggles but also highlights broader issues within the world of sports and family dynamics.

Notable Quotes

• Trinity Rodman [11:26]: "Growing up in a wealthy place when you don't have money is a different struggle."
• Trinity Rodman [37:56]: "I was just crying on the field... I was super mad. I was happy we won, but I was just like, fuck you."
• Trinity Rodman [41:04]: "I think it fucks me up every single time... he's an alcoholic."
• Trinity Rodman [61:31]: "Why can't I just be enough?"
• Trinity Rodman [66:20]: "I want to be the athlete that brought the fun to sport. That simple."

Key Takeaways

1. Complex Family Dynamics: Trinity's relationship with her father Dennis Rodman is fraught with emotional challenges, stemming from his inconsistent presence and struggles with substance abuse.
2. Impact on Personal Identity: Growing up in a wealthy area without financial stability has shaped Trinity's personality, making her both outgoing and sensitive to social pressures.
3. Challenges as a Female Athlete: Trinity highlights the lack of recognition and pay disparities in women's sports, along with the added scrutiny female athletes face.
4. Balancing Career and Personal Life: Trinity is determined to establish her own identity and legacy, separate from her father's shadow and her athletic achievements.

This episode serves as a powerful narrative about resilience, self-discovery, and the quest for personal identity amidst familial and societal challenges.

Transcript

[Alex Cooper]

Hi, Daddy gang, it is your father. I am so excited that Caller Daddy has officially joined the SiriusXM family. I cannot wait to talk to new guests and continue to share my crazy personal stories and experiences with you every single week. If you want to hear new episodes ad free, subscribe to SiriusXM podcasts on Apple Podcasts. To start your free trial today, Tinder is giving you the best gift of all this season time, Daddy Gang, you don't have time to scroll through the thousands of photos you took this year, okay? Tinder's new photo selector tool to go through all those photos at once and curate a profile that shows off your best features, like your glowing personality.

[Trinity Rodman]

Okay?

[Alex Cooper]

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[Trinity Rodman]

Trinity Rodman. Welcome to Call Her Daddy.

[Unknown Guest]

Hey, thanks for having me. Oh, my gosh. So happy to be.

[Trinity Rodman]

No, Trinity, you just walked in here and you go, what did you just say? You're like, I only talk about soccer.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah. This is new territory. You don't want me to just talk about kicking a ball around the field.

[Trinity Rodman]

What I want to talk about corner.

[Unknown Guest]

Kicks this entire fucking perfect because I don't take them. So I'm going to just see what happens. My first corner kick was in the championship. Four years into my pro stop. I literally walk up to the corner and I was like, what are we doing? Championship. We're losing. There's like a couple minutes left. I'm standing there like, everyone's looking like, no, stop.

[Trinity Rodman]

I love how I say that. And you're like, okay, I actually.

[Unknown Guest]

Will I say, I have a story.

[Trinity Rodman]

No, stop. Like, I have a story. Can this take up an hour? You're going to be fine today, okay? I've got you. First of all, I do just have to say I'm so fucking happy that I'm meeting you because I had a show on Peacock during the Olympics. And I was. You're not. You saw.

[Unknown Guest]

Okay, Saw you going crazy bitch.

[Trinity Rodman]

I cried when you won, okay? So I was. I got there and they were like, oh, we're going to have you cover all the sports. And I was like, please let me just cover soccer with a little bit of gymnastics, because I know soccer. And they were like, maybe, maybe. And then they saw me talk about soccer and they're like, okay, Jesus Christ. You. Soccer.

[Unknown Guest]

You have to stay.

[Trinity Rodman]

You have to stay and when you guys won gold, I cried.

[Unknown Guest]

Same.

[Trinity Rodman]

Okay, great. Oh, obviously. Can you. We're going to start with some easy ones.

[Unknown Guest]

Okay.

[Trinity Rodman]

How did you celebrate winning gold?

[Unknown Guest]

Oh, my gosh. I cried. I, like, collapsed and cried. But I don't know. I feel like there's, like, no true celebration afterwards because, hey, you gotta go back to your season in nwsl. So we celebrated, like, the night of. Partied with our coaches and our staff and everything. That was fun. And I didn't take the medal off. Even the flight home, like, it wasn't. It was glued to my neck.

[Trinity Rodman]

When did you first take it off?

[Unknown Guest]

Probably when I went to sleep when I got home because I was. Okay, that's a lot. But even through security, I was like, trying to wear it and they were like, no. I was like, oh, okay. I'm like, staring at it through the thing.

[Trinity Rodman]

Wait, where did you put it when you went to bed?

[Unknown Guest]

I have this little case that I got when we won in 2021 for my ring, but it's like, big. And so I just put it in there. Hopefully it's still there. I haven't checked on it in a minute.

[Trinity Rodman]

Wait, what?

[Unknown Guest]

I should probably check to see if she's okay.

[Trinity Rodman]

Casual, just gold medal sitting somewhere random. What is your pregame ritual? Do you have any superstitions?

[Unknown Guest]

I feel like I have so many little superstitions. So gum is one. I can't live without gum, really, for soccer. So, like, I'll go through probably three or four pieces of gum a game. And if I am going on the field and I don't have gum in my mouth, like, I'll throw a tantrum like I'm a diva. Like, I need gum. That's the one thing. Screw water. I need gum.

[Trinity Rodman]

What kind of gum?

[Unknown Guest]

Anything. Peppermint, spearmint. I. It can die.

[Trinity Rodman]

No.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah. What else? Have to sit in the same spot on the bus on the way to the game. Every single time. I have to stand in the same spot for warm up behind my girl Tara. There's so many things I have to have at home games. I have to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich in the locker room. Red Bull's essential for energy and psychotic behavior. In the locker room. So many things.

[Trinity Rodman]

No, the locker room before games, like, is feral. Like, and there are some people that are so chill and quiet, and then they're the people that are rowdy. Are you rowdy?

[Unknown Guest]

Do you want to answer that?

[Trinity Rodman]

No.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah. I'm the person that the chill ones hate because we have the people in our Locker room that have their headphones on. They're stretching, they're down. They're not talking to anybody. And I'm bouncing like a crazy person around the locker room. I'm, like, trying to take their headphones off. I'm like, come on. Come on. So, yeah, I'm the annoying person, and I just can't help it. I can't be chill for a game because, like I said earlier, it just psychs me out more, and I get nervous, and I'm like, if I'm just on 10 the entire time, you can't be scared.

[Trinity Rodman]

No, I was the same way. Like, I would be the person just, like, talking, and I wouldn't shut the fudge up. And everyone be like, cooper, go sit in your fudgeing locker room. And I'm like, I don't want to sit in my locker. And what? Like, think about what's about to happen. I'd rather not manifest. Absolutely. No, Never. So I pretend I'm, like, about to, like, go out for a fun night. Like, I'm not thinking straight, because then the people that are meditating, you're like, my God, you have, like, a really strong brain, and I don't want to.

[Unknown Guest]

Be a part of that. Couldn't really, like, what are we meditating about? What are we thinking? What's on the brain?

[Trinity Rodman]

There's never, obviously, especially during the Olympics, like, the entire world was talking about you. Everyone knows your name. And I think aside from your talent, I think a lot of people in media, press, on social media, a lot of people wanted to hear you talk about and wanted to ask you about your dad. For those of the daddy gang that don't know, in my audience, your father.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, Daddy gang, let me know. What?

[Trinity Rodman]

Cut that. Cut that. What's the dad? Yeah, let's just kick it right off. You're like, what is a father? Let me know. Your dad is Dennis Rodman. He's one of the most famous basketball players of all time. He played alongside Michael Jordan. He had a very controversial career. He was known for crazy partying, hooking up with women, getting in trouble on and off the court. And you have never really talked about what was going on in your family behind the scenes. And today we're gonna get into it. What made you feel ready?

[Unknown Guest]

Oh, gosh. I think, well, just a warning. I laugh a lot when I'm trying to, like, talk about something serious.

[Trinity Rodman]

Okay.

[Unknown Guest]

So I think with the dad situation in terms of, like, what I've filtered and what I've talked about, I feel like, me and my brother have been very generous with the way that we've talked about it and very unselfish. I think we never want to make him look bad. And that is at the cost of kind of holding in a lot and a lot of issues that we've gone through and just like trauma per se. So I don't know, I just feel like I've been in a place of going through interviews where people are like, oh, is your dad there? Like, what's your dad feeling? And I feel like I've tried to make it obvious that I don't know, I don't know how he's feeling. I don't know where he is. Like, so for my own sanity getting those questions, it frustrates me because I'm like, I don't want to blame the interviewers of, like, okay, you don't deep dive into my life. But at the same time, I've made it clear that he's not present.

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

So, yeah, I guess this is my opportunity to kind of talk more. I don't want to say negatively, but more realistic about it.

[Trinity Rodman]

Yeah. But I can imagine. Like, I feel like I've sat down with so many people and it's like, it's tough when you're trying to protect someone that. Yes. Whether you love or you don't or whatever your dynamic is, like, it's your dad. And there everyone has a very specific idea of your father, but none of us are his children.

[Unknown Guest]

Right.

[Trinity Rodman]

Like, we have an idea of what we saw on a Netflix special and what we watched back in the day. If you're watching his games. But you have a lived breathed experience of this man as your father that people are looking, I think, in a glamorized way for you to talk. Like, what's it like? Dennis Rodman's your dad. This is so cool. And you're literally like, next question. So I think it's fair for you to talk about your life in a realistic way because you are also a public figure and you are famous in your own right now. And so you're allowed to speak about your experience. Let's go back to the beginning.

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[Trinity Rodman]

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[Trinity Rodman]

Okay.

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[Trinity Rodman]

Today we're going to go back to the beginning. Where did you grow up and what was your hometown like?

[Unknown Guest]

Okay, well, I grew up in Newport beach, which, as everyone kind of knows, it's a very wealthy area. And I loved growing up in Newport. It was amazing. Beautiful place. But growing up in a wealthy place when you don't have money is a different struggle. And I think that was really difficult for me, my mom and my brother just because we were going to the schools where everyone had money and it was like, we're going to school. Like in high school, I was sharing a room with my mom, which is like crazy. So it's like just the little things of being a normal high school or a middle schooler where you're like, you want to invite friends over and it's like, not that I'm embarrassed of the way that I grew up, but at the time, it was like, I don't want to invite friends over. I don't want them to know I sleep with my mom. Like, just, like, little stuff like that. So growing up in Newport was good, but hard because, I don't know, like, keeping up with the Joneses, I feel like that was kind of a struggle of, like, people knew that we didn't have money, but it was more so, like, how do we look? Not completely broke during that time. So, yeah, with, like, soccer and everything. We got help a lot from one of my club coaches, Greg Baker. He kind of set me up and helped me. Thank God I was talented, or else I don't know where I would be. But he helped me and he gave me those opportunities that I wouldn't have had because I couldn't pay for certain things. So a lot of things we worked for, but also, in a way, were handed just because we were talented. So that did help. But, yeah, especially with sports, it was very difficult to, like, travel and go to hotels and do these away trips when we didn't have the money to stay at these, like, Marriotts. Like, we were at, like, Holiday Inn. Like, that's what we could afford. So it was just hard because I would then find teammates. It's okay if, like, I come. And then my mom couldn't come sometimes. And it was just interesting. Like, we were trying. Like, we did the best at being humble and being grateful for everything, but at the same time, it was really hard. Yeah. Even just, like, after school, like, at a cookie truck, I'd be like, mom, can I have a dollar for this cookie? Like, one time? And I know that sounds horrible, but that has made me. I feel, like, more humble now.

[Trinity Rodman]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

Experiencing that being in a wealthy area and not having it, we made it through, and we're great people, and, like, it worked out.

[Trinity Rodman]

So going back, though, like, okay, you talking about growing up in Newport, and I agree. I feel like people that aren't obviously from California, but I feel like you hear about it or even you, like, watch the show the OC And Orange county and Newport, like, there's such extreme wealth. How do you think you growing up and not having money impacted you, like, as a kid, in your personality, like, were you shy? Were you reserved? Were you loud? Like, what. What kind of kid were you?

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, I think naturally, I've always been a more outgoing person, especially when you get to know me. But I definitely think not having money to do certain Things changed the way that I was with people because I wasn't as confident. And I also couldn't go to things that people were going to. It was like, oh, do you want to go? Even just going to, like, fast food and chilling in the parking lot. I was like, no, I don't have money to go to In N Out right now or to go to Krispy Kreme. Like, I. And it was embarrassing to be like, hey, I don't have money. So I think, yeah, through. Even now, like, I have a really close friend from middle school that I'm still friends with. And that's like, probably my one friend from middle school and then my friend from high school. So that's like, my two friends, and those are the only people I hung out with. And even through high school, I went to a private school for one year. I was, like, eating lunch in the bathroom sometimes because me and my brother didn't have the same lunch. And he was like my person. So, like, growing up, I would have all his same teachers. Like, I was a year after him. So I would just follow in his footsteps every single time. It was annoying because he was really good in school and I was horrible. So it was like, they loved DJ and, like, hated me. But yeah, it was. We didn't have the same lunch, so I was like, didn't have friends to sit with, so I, like, lunch would happen. I didn't have money to pay for it at school. So then it was like the bell rings and it's like, fuck, what do I do? Where do I go? Like, do I go to a teacher's room? Do I just, like, stay in the cafeteria and act like I'm just, like, talking to people that I'm not even friends with? Like, it was so bizarre.

[Trinity Rodman]

But do you think you weren't making friends because you were just trying to, like, hide like, it's not. Or were people literally not liking you because they knew of your socioeconomic status?

[Unknown Guest]

Both, because I feel like it went both way. It was weird because for my brother, I feel like in the earlier years it was harder for him to have friends. But as it went on, it was so easy. Like, when we went to high school together, he had so many friends, and, like, that's who I was going to. And then for me, it was completely different. So it's just weird. And we know, like, girls are very catty.

[Trinity Rodman]

Yes.

[Unknown Guest]

And, like, clicky. And I felt like I had come late. Like, everyone had started freshman year. I got their sophomore year, so I had some soccer Friends, but the vibes were just different. Like we were friends for soccer, but then in school it was like, okay, not the same thing. Yeah. So I don't know if it was just like, people already had their clicks and I was just like too shy to be like, desperate and like, try to push my way into certain groups and I'm just not that person. Like, if I'm feeling. You're not feeling me, then I'm. I'd rather sit in the bathroom. Yeah. So I think it's a mixture, which was unfortunate. But now looking back, it's like, funny because all those people are texting me now and it's like, of course. Interesting, huh?

[Trinity Rodman]

Go yourself.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah.

[Trinity Rodman]

How old were you when your parents got divorced?

[Unknown Guest]

Oh, gosh. Google help.

[Trinity Rodman]

I think. I think there were like two.

[Unknown Guest]

I feel like I was dealing with it even when I was like, old enough to remember it.

[Trinity Rodman]

But I don't know, it dragged on.

[Unknown Guest]

Probably no more than me.

[Trinity Rodman]

Do you remember, like, how did you see that affect your mom of like this divorce dragging on for so many years?

[Unknown Guest]

I mean, obviously I cannot speak for her experiences because she. I feel like she didn't even really have time to think about it just because she had to deal with me and my brother and my sister. That girl. But anyway, I think my mom was dealing with a lot of shit from my dad for so long. And divorce was just like a name that. That was. That ship had sailed for the longest time and she knew that we knew that. And it really was like, before the divorce happened, my dad was actually helping money wise. So that was the difference of, like, he would actually give money to my mom and let us kind of live life a little bit. But then as when the divorce happened, it was just like, fuck you guys. Like, we're not getting enough money to. We're getting enough money to pay rent, barely. And then we were just. I don't even know how we made it work, but somehow we were making it happen. And it was just crazy.

[Trinity Rodman]

When you say that your mom would. You kind of knew that, like, that ship had sailed. Like your mom had been dealing with so much. Like, how did your mom talk about your dad and his absence to you and your siblings?

[Unknown Guest]

My mom was really good at making every situation seem smoother than it actually was. And I think that's what parents do to protect their children. But yeah, I think even being young, it was like he partied all the time. He has this beach house in Newport or Huntington or whatever, wherever. And it was like we tried to live with him, but he's having parties 24 7. He's bringing random bitches in like my mom didn't want. She was strong enough to deal with it. Because even to this day, I still believe that my dad hasn't loved anyone after my mom. Like, I genuinely believe that. I think he doesn't know how to. I think they both felt the same way about each other, but it just. His demons were just too strong for it. But, yeah, I think my mom just saw the situation of, we love each other. It's not gonna work. And for my kids, I can't have them seeing you treat me this way, embarrass me this way, and have the party scene all the time. You have little babies.

[Trinity Rodman]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

So, yeah.

[Trinity Rodman]

Do you have any recollection of, like, watching them fight in front of each other, like, in front of you?

[Unknown Guest]

I don't really remember so much younger, and I feel like me and my brother were very oblivious to it. But then once we got older, when he was in our lives less, and we were seeing him once, two, three, four times a year, every time they were together, it was like, it was the same. It was my mom being valid and, what the are you doing? Like, help us and help your children. And he was just like, oh, you just use me for my money. Ma. Ma, Ma. And even then, it was like, that was all the fight was ever about in front of us. At least it was just the money part and helping your children. And even then, it was my dad. He likes to be in control. So, like, he would take us shopping, get us phones, do this, do that. Oh, I'm gonna take you and your brother shopping. I mean, my brother are like, we don't want to go shopping. We don't want to go shopping. Right? We just want money to go get in and out after school with our friends. So it was like, he wouldn't give us money to do that. He needed to have the control of bringing us shopping and swiping his own card. But if we asked, hey, could we have 100 to, like, go get food? Go. Go to Claire's, get my ears pierced? Like, just little stuff like that. He was like, no, you're using me. You're trying, like, all this stuff.

[Trinity Rodman]

I think that's what's probably so confusing, even hearing you talk about this. Like, I think a lot of people would assume because you're Dennis Rodman's daughter, money wasn't an issue for you growing up. But that obviously wasn't the case. Do you know why? After the divorce, like, he would not pay child support.

[Unknown Guest]

I think then it was kind of like, that's not my problem anymore. And I don't even know. To try to justify his brain is so hard because even now I genuinely believe he's still in love with my mom. Because he'll call me randomly and be like, how's your mom doing? Like, even before you ask how I'm doing. So whenever we would see each other, he was always just, like, almost trying to get my mom to fall in love with him again so that it could be a family thing, even if it was toxic. But I think once it was a divorce, it was like, all right, like, you. This is on you.

[Trinity Rodman]

Like, yeah, I know. You said, like, you were sleeping in a bed with your mom. Like, what was one of the worst circumstances, living wise, that you and your siblings had to go through during your childhood?

[Unknown Guest]

It was. I'm, like, smiling about it because it was the best and worst situation, if that makes sense. So we had an expedition, and we kind of lived in that for a little bit, mind you, in Newport Beach.

[Trinity Rodman]

An expedition? Like a car?

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, like, Newport Beach. We're going to. I think this is when we were at. What is it? Ensign by Newport Harbor. So we were still in Newport. So imagine living in a car, going to, like, a rich school. Like, it's the most weird thing, but we were living in a car. But then we could afford to stay in a motel for a little bit. So we were kind of back and forth, like, what nights we could pay for, how many nights we could pay for. But I'm saying it's the best because me and my brother. My mom is obviously, like, prideful and, like, she never wants to be looked at that way of, like, not being able to provide for kids. So, like, my mom's like, I'm sorry that, like, we had to do that. I'm sorry that you had to go through that. But me and my brother are just like, what? That was so much fun. Like, as a kid, we lived in a motel in our routine, every morning, we would make those waffles in the waffle machine in the motel. Breakfast, like, before school. And then we'd go in. My mom would let us go into the hot tub in the pool. So, like, this is all preschool, like, fun stuff in the morning. So this is like us getting up 6:37am making our waffles, jumping in the pool, chilling in the hot tub, playing, being, like, best friends, and then showering, getting dressed. And then we would drive to school in this, like, Beat up expedition when everybody else is in like Rolls Royces and Range Rovers and all that stuff. But for me and dj, it was never, it was like never embarrassing in the weirdest way. It was weird. And we knew that we were kind of like the odd men out.

[Trinity Rodman]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

In a sense. But we never ever would like rush out of the car, like, be like, mom, pick us up over here. Or like, it was never like that. So, yeah, going back, long story short, it's like worst and best situation because me and my brother look back and we're like, that was so fun in the weirdest way.

[Trinity Rodman]

How long do you think you lived? You lived in a car for.

[Unknown Guest]

It wasn't that long. We were in that motel for months. But again, it was fun. Even as an adult. Like, like that was fun.

[Trinity Rodman]

And I also think that's such a testament to your mom.

[Unknown Guest]

Right.

[Trinity Rodman]

Because I think as you get older and you start to recognize like, the reality of life, the fact that you guys were able to see those moments as just genuinely so joyful, like your mom was protecting you in such a beautiful way and you had these like, awesome memories. That's such a testament to your mother.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah. It's crazy. And I mean, she's not like, she had an easy child. Like, she didn't have a father figure either. So I mean. Yeah, she went through her own struggles while somehow making our life extremely fun. Being broke, which is insane because everything costs money. So how do you have fun?

[Trinity Rodman]

But do you think you were like, you never found yourself ever resentful of your situation?

[Unknown Guest]

No.

[Trinity Rodman]

That's amazing.

[Unknown Guest]

Never resentful. Obviously there were times where it was like our friends would be doing stuff and we couldn't go.

[Trinity Rodman]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

Or like, we just didn't want to go because we didn't want to ask people for money.

[Trinity Rodman]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

So it was never resentment. It was more so like, damn, I wish we could have went there.

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[Trinity Rodman]

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[Trinity Rodman]

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[Trinity Rodman]

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[Trinity Rodman]

When I was doing research, I was looking like, when you were 9 years old, your dad was getting inducted into the hall of fame. And when I'm listening to you talk right now, I'm like, okay, you're nine.

[Unknown Guest]

So many things happened. It's crazy, right?

[Trinity Rodman]

Like, I'm like, hold on, this man is on a stage getting inducted into the hall of fame. And where are you when you're nine?

[Unknown Guest]

No, and that's the crazy part is like we still were going to those events. Like we were just a happy little family. Like getting dressed, getting styled like his jersey retirement. All those things that we attended to while we're like, not financially, like, it was just the weirdest thing because it was like we did things for him and we've always done things for him. It's like he wanted to have a good image of having his Family by him. And we were like, yeah, we'll go. So exciting.

[Trinity Rodman]

Like, so at that point in your life, just to try to get an understanding throughout, like, I would say your first, like 15 years of life, let's say. How often would you see your dad?

[Unknown Guest]

When we were younger, it was more.

[Trinity Rodman]

Okay.

[Unknown Guest]

Way more. And then I think as we got older and understood the situation more, my mom became stronger in the situation. That's when it was less. And I. I would say by the time we were in. I'll say, like seventh grade until even now, it was three, four times a year. Okay. When we lived in the same city.

[Trinity Rodman]

And did you ever live with him?

[Unknown Guest]

When we were really young. But that's when we were like, right after we were born. Yeah. But that wasn't that long because my mom was over the party and she was just like, we're getting out.

[Trinity Rodman]

We're done.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah.

[Trinity Rodman]

In his acceptance speech, he said the one thing he regretted was not being a better father. You just rolled your eyes.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah. Because it's just like, Do I believe him? Yeah. I do believe that he wishes that he could fight his demons. I roll my eyes because it's like you hear something so many times, but he does nothing to change it. Yeah. And it's like, I wish I was a better dad. He said that in so many interviews. Like, I could pull them up.

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

And it's like, okay, yeah, then do something. And it. I think what the most frustrating part about it is is I think with how successful he was and how rich he was, he was surrounded by a lot of toxic people who would take his money and take advantage of him. And because he was in alcohol, he was kind of brainwashed and all that. Didn't really have control over anything. I don't know. That was just so. I think, again, the rolling eyes comes from. We tried to be that foundation and to be the good people around him. Because in reality, like, we never really asked for anything unless we really needed it. Yeah. Like me, my mom, and my brother, it was like, we just want you. And I don't. I think for him, he's never understood the fact because he's never experienced it. He's had messed up family issues as well. He's never understood that people could actually just want to be around him and to just want to, like, make him happy. He's always thinking, money, money, money, money. When it's like, no, yeah, like, what.

[Trinity Rodman]

A horrible situation where you're like, wait, no, dad, like, we. Yes, we're coming to you for money. Because we're liver literally living in a car, but we also want you. But he's so paranoid of whatever's going on in his life that he can't, like, accept what you guys are trying to give him. And so it's like this cat and mouse game where you guys feel like you're constantly being rejected, but you're coming with the best intentions.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah. And it's just hard because it's like, even now, I'm, like, trying to be honest about it, and I'm still giving him sympathy, which is, like, frustrating for me because in reality, I think he's an extremely selfish human being. I think everything has always been about him. He's gone through. But at the same time, I'm like, he loves the spotlight, he loves the cameras. He loves bringing his children on stage and being like, oh, these are my kids. Like, all that stuff. And even, like, the mind, I've been. Well, I've been cussing. That's new for me. I was gonna say the mind fuck. But like, of him, like, for me, emotionally, he's put me through, like, oh, my gosh, like, even just him not talking to me for months, months and months. And then he randomly calls and he's like, hey, like, I'm thinking of doing a TV show. Reality TV show. You want to join? I'm just like, whoa. So, like, that's the part where I have so much anger towards it of, like, why have I been so nice about someone who's so selfish? And that's the thing with our entire family is, like you said in the beginning of, like, us protecting him when he's never once protected us. He's almost made it worse because he has put us in the public light at a young age. So I guess it's just, like, the anger that I haven't really been able to let out is, like, difficult for me.

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah.

[Trinity Rodman]

But I feel like hearing you say this, like, I've had people sit in that exact chair, and it's like, up. Dynamics with parents is so complicated because at the end of the day, they're still your parent. And there's like, almost a brainwash you experience of, like, you still want their love, you still want their validation, you still want them to like you. You still want him to, like, come to your games and think you're great and, like, see how great you're doing. But at the same time, you also want to be like, fuck you. You've never done anything for us. Like, what? And it's like this battle of, I get Why? I wouldn't expect anything other than you sitting here and going back and forth of, like, trying to protect him. Because you've never spoken about this. So I want to give you grace also. Like, you're doing great because you are doing a really great job of explaining this, like, hard push and pull you have. Because it's your dad.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah.

[Trinity Rodman]

Like.

[Unknown Guest]

And that's, like. What you're saying is, like, the weirdest thing, because even when I'm, like. Even, like, going through a season where you're just like, damn, I'm just so over this. Like, I just want to go home and sleep. In moments like that, I'm like, damn, I wish I could just get a hug from my dad when I don't even have that connection with him. Like, when he showed up at my game, I was, like, so mad. Like, we talk about that. I first saw him. Yeah. I, like, kind of already start talking about everything, but it's okay. Yeah, he showed up to my game. My mom had no idea until he was, like, there. And I think she got a call or something, but they were in the suite, field side. And I, again, going in my rookie year, going into a quarterfinal. Like, I'm already shitting my pants as it is. Like, I'm, like, stressed. Like, oh, my gosh. Like, we have to win. We go. I'm playing. I think it's, like, halfway through the first half, and I hear it, and, like, his voice to me is like. So I hear him go, let's go, Rodman. Let's go, Trinity. And I'm like, oh, my fucking gosh. Like, there's no way this is happening right now. Mind you. I haven't seen him in or talk to him in months. Months. So I hear it, and I'm like, I'm playing a game. Not, like, throw in nothing. Like, I'm playing the game, and I hear. I'm running. I'm like, oh, my gosh. So I'm still playing, and I'm like, there's no way. I'm, like, chasing the ball down, trying to figure out a goal kick happens, right? I'm defending a goal kick, and I'm, like, in my stance kind of. And I look back, and I'm like, what the. I look straight, and I, like, start crying on the field. So I'm trying to play the soccer game, and I'm crying, and I don't know if we got a water break. I think there was, like, an injury or. A water break. Yeah. Because we go into the huddle, and I go To Ashley Sanchez, which is like, one of my best friends. Go to her in the huddle while our coach is trying to give us direction of, like, what's working, what's not working, because, like, we were playing horrible the first half. I'm looking at Ash, I'm crying. No one knows what the going on. I'm looking at Ash and I'm like, dude, my dad's here. And she knew immediately. She was like, oh. She gave me a hug. She was like, it's okay. Let's just finish this half. Like, we'll talk in the locker room at halftime. Just finish this half. Don't think about it. I was like, sure, let me just forget. Yeah, easy advice. Um, so, yeah, I finished that half and then cry my eyes out in the locker room at halftime. And my coach was like, do you want. Do you want to play? And I was like, yeah, I want to win. Hello. I'm like, he is not going to take me from winning this either. But you, um. So, yeah, we finished the game.

[Trinity Rodman]

Were you able to, like, play well?

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah. So I took the shot, ricocheted back, and Hatch scored it for us to win. Yeah, you. And then after the game, when we were winning, there's that part in your head where, like, the whistle is going to blow. The whistle is going to blow. And all I was thinking was like, oh, my God, I'm going to see him. I'm going to talk to him. Like, what's going to happen? The whistle blew and I was so, like, mad. I was like, you took this happy moment for me, like, you fuck with my head again. And he did it so many times, and I don't even know. No, I think he knows what he does. But when the game ended, I was so angry. I was happy we won, but I was just like. And then I started getting mad at my mom because I was like, she had to have known. Why didn't she tell me, like, all this stuff? And then I walk over and again, there's cameras everywhere, Dennis Rodman's at the game, blah, blah. And I walk over there and all I did was cry. I was like, I'm walking over there so mad, like, fuck you. I walk over there, he grabs my head and I just start balling into his arms as if like, it's a daddy daughter, like. And I'm just like, this is the first game you come to quarterfinal. You missed the entire season. Haven't seen my games in three, four, five years. And I'm just like, bawling. I was. I cried and then I was super happy. I was like, let's take the positive of it. He's here. Like, that's more than I can ask. So then we go into, like, this friends and family part after. We're, like, talking, whatever. He's asking me how everything's going. It's like, honestly, like, a pretty wholesome thing. Like, oh, my gosh, imagine. So we're just, like, talking, catching up. And then I don't remember how it was left. I think I just went home because I had training the next day, and we just kind of left it at that. And he was just like, I want to see you soon. I'm in D.C. whatever. And I was like, okay. And then after that, radio silence. I didn't see him for, like, until this year. I didn't talk to him or see him. Yeah. Until I think, no. Yeah. Right after the World Cup.

[Trinity Rodman]

Wait, how many years ago was this?

[Unknown Guest]

3. So this is 2021.

[Trinity Rodman]

So that happens in 2021.

[Unknown Guest]

And I'm talking to media. I put out this huge post. Like, we're not perfect. I love my dad. Like, this could be the start of something new. Like, I know. Blah, blah, blah. Like, being super nice about it. Like, just grateful that he even showed up. I'm like, I don't know what it has in store, but I'm just happy that we got to have this moment together. Stupid me for thinking that was going to be some type of, like, new spark, because that was me. Every single time. He would come around and I'd be like, okay, here it is again. We're going to start something. He's going to be around. Boom. Months and months and months. This time was years. And I was just like, okay, cool. And so then it's like, after that, then it's media outlets asking about the post, asking about him being there. So I'm, like, super positive. I'm just like, yeah. Like, obviously it was really emotional. I'm really happy. Months and months go by. I'm still talking about on media, and I'm just like, fuck, here we go again. So then it was just like. I think after that was when I lost hope in, like, ever getting him back. It was just gonna be like a. He's popping in whenever he wants to be in a camera. And even at that game, I don't think it was for me. I think he wanted to have a good, conscious conscience and then be like, headline. Dennis Rodman showed up to his daughter's game, an important quarterfinal in her rookie year. And that's exactly what it was.

[Trinity Rodman]

That's what I was going to say. Like, I went and looked at that Instagram post and it, like, my heart sunk for you because obviously, like, I knew somewhat of the conversation we were going to have today, but I had obviously no idea of, like, the gravity of it. And it's so disheartening because you're right. Like, you walking over to him in that moment, it was all about the cameras. You couldn't have a normal reaction to be like, where the fudge have you been? And like, you saying you're on the field angry. And then you don't get to have a normal moment with your father where a normal person could go up and be like, what the fuck? Instead, it's like, everyone smile for the cameras and be happy. And then before you even get to have, like, a debrief, the next day, like, he's gone. Can you talk to me about, like, didn't he, like, always change his phone numbers?

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, even now, like, I don't have his number saved. I think he. Because he had called me, like, even these past couple weeks, he's been trying to call me, and I was just a Texas number. Didn't know he lived in Texas, so that's news to me. So I'm just thinking it's like spam risk, like, all this stuff. And I'm okay. They're just like spam calls, like, normal. I get those all the time. So I was ignoring it, and then I see, like, voicemails from it and I'm like. And then I look and I hear it for a second. I was like, fuck. And I think I heard it for a second because I saw that the voicemail was 40 seconds long. I was like, no, I'm not doing that. And it's just like a hit or miss day for me. It's like, if I want to go through that or not. And I'm just like, no.

[Alex Cooper]

Why is he always changing his phone number?

[Unknown Guest]

I don't know if it's changing or losing his phones or what, but again, he never has an iPhone. He always has a flip phone. And I honestly think he'll just, like.

[Trinity Rodman]

Trash them and get new ones of him calling you. And, like, in moments throughout your life, in those moments where you're like, sometimes I have the patience, sometimes I don't. Is there any time he, like, called you that you remember and it, like, really with you, whether you were, like, about to go into a specific event in your life or you were in a specific situation and he calls and you like, were like, this completely fucked me up and ruined my day. Kind of like the game.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, I think it fucks me up every single time. Even I think now hearing his voice is like painful because I think it's missing him mixed with. He's an alcoholic. And again, that's something that I don't want to say, but I'm just like, it. Like it's just the truth. And like hearing. Even the past five years, hearing the difference in the way that his sentences go together and now I'm like, like I genuinely keep thinking, I'm like, he's gone. Like it feels like he's gone. And like, hearing him talk, I'm just like. Like I answer the phone now for like my conscience to be like, if something does happen, God forbid, yeah, I want to know that. Like, I did that. Or if he needed to hear my voice before anything happens. Like, that's why I answer the phone. Not for me. But then I answer the phone and I have that conversation and I hear the way he's talking and how gone and drunk he is, and I'm just like, that was horrible. I'm like, that did nothing for me. Like, if something were to happen, if I would have had that phone call and if I wouldn't have, I would have felt the same way.

[Trinity Rodman]

Well, that's. But you saying that. And I feel like there's a lot of people listening that can probably relate to having someone in their life that struggles with alcohol or substance abuse. And it's like the point you just hit on, which I think is so debilitating. And it keeps you kind of like a captive because it's like you're held captive to your dad. Because the thought is, if this has his last moment and he's calling me and he wants to hear my voice. So there's a world where you're going to pick up every fucking time because.

[Unknown Guest]

You'Re so scared living for somebody else, right? Like, living to make someone else happy.

[Trinity Rodman]

Have you. Have you figured out any form of boundaries that you has worked or.

[Unknown Guest]

No, it's hard to make boundaries when he's like, it's a rare occurrence. Like if he were, say, calling me randomly every single week. Okay, cool. But it's like so random that I'm like, you don't know when the next phone call is going to come. So it's like, what is a boundary?

[Trinity Rodman]

What is the closest you've ever had with your father of like a heart to heart, somewhat scratching the surface of like, this is why he is the way he is. Like, has he ever spoken about his struggle with alcohol to you and tried to explain his behavior?

[Unknown Guest]

No, but I think not with the alcohol, with loving people. He's talked to me and my mom about of just the lack of love that he's received from his parents or his dad relationship is kind of translates into how he loves other people. Because he loved my mom. I do not question that. She does not question that. He treated her like so it's just weird. And it's like to me, even after everything I said, he treats me the best. I'm like still his little princess and I can't do any wrong. He growing up, he treated my brother like too. Said, you, you're not good enough. What are you doing with basketball? You're not. And that's. Yeah, that's touching on a whole different thing with the hate that my brother gets being in the same sport. Like I don't even people and the insensitivity with that. It's like, you're never as good as your dad. All this stuff. It's like he doesn't have to be. And also he's not around. And I think too, I'm like just blabbling, no, you're doing great. But that's also another thing of like, that's the most he's talked to me about in terms of like loving my brother. The like the man to man thing. He doesn't know how to father in general, but especially to it like he doesn't know how to show that like with me and my mom he could at least hug us. Like he knows how to do that. He doesn't know how to do that with my brother. And that's just, I mean caused a lot of issues with my brother's confidence and obviously hearing your dad say like, you're not good enough. All this stuff. And it's like too like playing with Bronnie. It's like you see Bronnie and you see LeBron and it's like that is picture perfect. Like, holy. So even that is just a whole another thing for my brother. And I don't want to speak for him. I'm sure when he's ready, if he's ever ready to talk about that. That's just another thing that my dad doesn't realize. He's affected so much of our like day to day.

[Trinity Rodman]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

Like the reason my brother gets hate for basketball is because of him.

[Alex Cooper]

And I think like we would all.

[Trinity Rodman]

I agree with you when you're talking about the LeBron and Bronny situation. But, like, I think we would all be idiots if we didn't think to ourselves, like, damn, that's fucking hard for that kid. Like, that looks great, but even no one is so fucking. So imagine your brother.

[Unknown Guest]

And I'm not. Yeah. I did not make mean to make that sound like a walk in the park.

[Trinity Rodman]

No, I'm validating what you're saying of it looks like, wow, look how great that is. But it's like, even that one can imagine how difficult that is of, like, being the son of LeBron James. You're like, no, damn, this is hard. And, like. But the fact that LeBron is embracing his kid being like, come with me. Let you show you. It's like your brother and I agree, like, not to speak for him, but I can only imagine the hurt it feels to have a passion that is essentially, like, constantly stripped of you because you're being constantly compared to your dad when what your guys are really talking about, you're like, I don't want to be fudgeing compared to him.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah. And that's. Yeah, 100%. And, yeah, the Bronny and LeBron, like, I've seen the hate that Bronny gets to. It's unbelievable to try to live up to being the goat of LeBron James. But, yeah, I think with my brother, it's just.

[Trinity Rodman]

You're never enough.

[Unknown Guest]

Like, it's sad and, like, no one can tell him that he's enough because the one person that he wants to say is enough. Yeah.

[Trinity Rodman]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

So it's. Yeah, it's tough.

[Trinity Rodman]

Were you hesitant to talk about the real situation with your dad because of the hype around the Rodman name? Like, do you think people are going to still, like, not. Not believe what you're saying today? But do you think people will still downplay it? Because it's like.

[Unknown Guest]

Because I also think people look at us like, oh, poor, poor me. Like, we're just trying to, like, get a check or, like, oh, pity story. Try to, like, create this thing. But I think, yeah, they're always. I think there's a lot of times where there's. It's always gonna be, like, everyone on my dad's side, like, when. For, like, Father's Day. Like, that day's shitty for people that don't have father figures. So for us, like, our coping mechanism for it was posting our mom, like, happy Father's Day. Thanks for being both. And that was. That's no disrespect to the father figures. Like, still a day to celebrate. Dads and fathers. But for us, that's our dad. That's our mom and our dad in the weirdest way. And even just comments like that, like, don't disrespect him like that. It's like, that's not disrespect. He's not a dad. Why? He's a person. He's not a dad. Maybe by blood, but nothing else.

[Trinity Rodman]

Yeah. It almost feels like people are, like, frustrated that you speaking about what he was like as a dad is gonna threaten his legacy as a basketball player, which is. So.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah.

[Trinity Rodman]

How do you think talking about this today is gonna affect you and, like, impact the way you approach interviews moving forward?

[Unknown Guest]

I'm just, like, not gonna give a. Honestly, like, that's how I feel, though, because I watch interviews back, and I'm like, ew, why does. Why do I look so scared? Like, this is, like, my story, right? And, like, there are times where he gets brought up where I'm just like, yeah. Like, yeah. He's like, I know he's proud of me. Like, And I'm like, ew. Like, just say how you feel. And even sometimes I wish I. Like when people ask, oh, like, is he gonna come to one of the Olympic Games? I don't know. And other. Like, I'll dodge it and I'll be like, oh, like, my mom's gonna be here. I'm gonna give her a hug. And I'm like, great answer from. From a PR team.

[Trinity Rodman]

Perfect, right? In reality, like, you don't know.

[Unknown Guest]

Not to be a diva, but I'm just like, I want to be like, I don't know. Yeah. How am I supposed to know? And that's it. That's. That's the end.

[Trinity Rodman]

True.

[Unknown Guest]

You make me feel uncomfortable. I'm going to make you feel uncomfortable. And I feel like I've been so comfortable being uncomfortable, and I'm just done.

[Trinity Rodman]

You're fucking done. Obviously, there's been, like, I think the rise of your career has been fucking incredible Trinity. Like, you're so fucking talent in your own right. And I can imagine moments like this where you are having this, like, Olympic run and your name is everywhere. And, yes, you're sitting there and people are asking you, like, oh, is your. Is your dad going to come and is your dad going to see the game? And it's like, why can't I just be enough? How has your relationship with your dad affected your love life?

[Unknown Guest]

You know what's funny about this is that, like, I literally just figured out what it affected. Like, I would Say a week ago.

[Trinity Rodman]

What.

[Unknown Guest]

What did it affect? I think my love language is affection and like physical touch. But I think that's because I never got that from my dad and I never got that type of love. And because of that, he didn't show that to my brother either. So. My brother's very similar to my dad in the way that he loves. Like he's. I don't want to say cold, but he's not a lovey dovey, squishy person in a relationship. So I don't get that from my brother or my dad. So I think the way that I am in relationships, I don't want to say high maintenance, but I think the top priority for me is like feeling wanted and feeling like I want to be pulled in for a hug all the time. Like I don't want to pass you in the living room and for you to not want to touch my butt or like kiss me on the cheek or like just do something.

[Trinity Rodman]

Right.

[Unknown Guest]

I know people can relate to that, but I genuinely feel like that has made me crazy.

[Trinity Rodman]

I love you. Okay, wait, did you have any relationships where you started to be like, fuck, I need to figure my out in the past because like, we've all had up relationships romantically. Like, did you see any of your family trauma seeping into your relationships that you can share with people maybe that have similar situation to you?

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, I think my first relationship, I think obviously first relationships are always like kind of a, what is love? What are we doing? Yeah, I think then I was extremely insecure in myself and I kind of let the person walk all over me in a sense. But again, I don't regret any relationship. I think they've all helped me so much and I'm still cordial with like everyone that I've been with, but I put up with a lot because I didn't have validation. So I feel like it's done a 360 now. But I would say I was really insecure and let a lot of shit slide back then.

[Trinity Rodman]

Like what?

[Unknown Guest]

Like hanging out with the boys. Right? Love that sentence. Right? Right. Oh, hanging out the boys. Okay. But it'd be like hanging out with the boys and I'd be like, damn, I wanted to hang out with you tonight. And happens. And then there's like 10 girls there. I'm your girlfriend. What? What do you mean? And those are also not the boys. So just something like that. And even that was the weirdest thing. It was that my brother was best friends with him. So my brother was there. So it Was a push and pull with him of, like, that's my best friend, but you're. My sister's crying all the time.

[Trinity Rodman]

My sister is sobbing. Get it together.

[Unknown Guest]

I learned a lot from that relationship. I think that was great. And, like, even with that, we were still, like, best friends in the weirdest way. But I learned a lot of things of, like, I'm not taking that. And I think that then helped me in my next relationship. Of, like, I felt most confident in my next relationship. And then it was a different struggle. Of, like, I'm so confident, and I'm so happy that now I'm, like, too reliant on this relationship. And now I'm, like, isolating myself from everybody else because I'm, like, addicted to the feeling that he's given me, like, the. The love and affection and, like, you're beautiful and all this stuff. So that was just another issue that I had to work through.

[Trinity Rodman]

Well, I was gonna say, too, I feel like, a big theme throughout our conversation of, like, talking about your growing up and talking about your relationship with your father. Like, there has been a lot of instability in the way that he communicates with you and his actions. Like, you even saying, like, the drinking problem. Like, I remember I wrote down, like, at one point, your dad made. Really had a lot of controversial moments, obviously, but, like, the one where he befriended a dictator in North Korea. And, like, it's really not funny, but, like, we can laugh. But, like, you having to read that about your dad, that is a lot of, like, one day you don't hear from him. One day you're reading something on the news. Like, yeah, it. That's very, like, destabilizing to, like, your reality of, like, your. Every day this person pops in or you hear this on the news that your dad is making friends with a dictator in North Korea. Like, how have you learned throughout the years to just, like, stabilize your own reality and, like, keep your bubble as safe as you can when all the rest around you is kind of moving?

[Unknown Guest]

It's obviously so. It's just so weird, and it's, like, so hard not to be hurt by certain things, like reading things, getting updates through media. Yeah. And then people ask you, and you're like, you probably knew before I did, or you probably honestly know more than I do. I do.

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

Like, it's so, so, so weird. Or just, like, little stuff like him not being in my life and then, like, other people, and I'm not throwing at anybody, but, like, I remember Angel Reese had wore his jersey to a game. And then there was a picture of them. And, like, like, he is a really famous basketball player. And, like, style wise, everything, like, inspiring. But I think as a daughter, seeing that, it's like, no shade. But it's like, damn, I wish that was me. I was. I was taking a picture with him. I wish I was wearing his jersey. Like, when I wear his jersey, I feel like it's not like, holy shit. But, like, when Angel Reese wears it, it's like, Angel Reese is wearing Dennis Rodman's jersey. And, like, I think that's like a. A sting to me. And I don't want to sound, like, bitchy at all because again, statement, like, pop off. But for me, as his daughter, it's like, ah, dad, what the hell? Like, it's just weird.

[Trinity Rodman]

No, it's like, those are the things.

[Unknown Guest]

You have to filter. And it's like, okay, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine.

[Trinity Rodman]

Yeah. But again, I think it's like, I think if I'm taking anything from this, it's also like, it's still a work in progress of, like, he is your biological father. A part of you is. There is parts of him, right? And so, like, you love this person in ways that you can't describe. And as much as he hurts you, there's those push and pull moments where you're like, dad, why do you have to be like this? And then I also think it's really inspiring to hear you talk about, like, how you're like, no, I am carving my own path. And now can we just talk about, like, you as your own career? Like, you are so successful, you crush it. You have a gold medal on your nightstand that you're like, I forgot where it is. Where is it? Again, where is it?

[Alex Cooper]

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[Trinity Rodman]

It's all real.

[Alex Cooper]

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[Trinity Rodman]

The holidays are not so great.

[Alex Cooper]

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[Trinity Rodman]

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[Trinity Rodman]

Winning and succeeding and being so successful and having sponsors and being a woman in sports in general is so hard to do. Like, how do you enjoy it for yourself? And don't let this get to you. Some days, like who do you celebrate with? Who do you talk to about your success? Individual of your dad?

[Unknown Guest]

I don't know. I feel like it's really hard to celebrate it in the weirdest way. Like one because it's just non stop all the time and like I'm so grateful for every opportunity but sometimes I'm just like, I wish I had a moment to take a breath and be like I did that. Like holy. So to say. Like who do I celebrate with? I. I don't know because I don't think that I really do. Like obviously like I. I'm happier. I'll watch a clip of like the Olympics. The goal. I'm like oh my God. Like ah. But it's little moments like that, like it's just re watching a clip of something. But I don't think genuinely I really think, or celebrate myself. I think it's more so, especially in interviews and stuff. It's like, how proud are you? And it's like it's such a copy and paste answer through every interview. It's just like I can't even find the words. I'm like a robot. I'm like, I'm so happy. Like I, like It's indescribable. I'm 22 and have a gold medal and it's like even in those moments, it's like genuinely deep down I feel so proud of myself. But it's so repetitive and so like robotic that I can't, I don't think of it that way. I'm just like, say it for the media. And like, no, but I think that's.

[Trinity Rodman]

Like really fucking relatable. Like I think that's not like just you. I think that if you ask a lot of people when they have such intense success, I think it's so hard to try to grasp what's happening in the moment because that would mean you have to stop. And I think you need time to process as a human being. And I feel like it sucks in one way. But you also, especially as athletes, it's like you got to keep fudgeing going because even when you win, like you said, what did you say to me at the beginning of this? You said, oh, I didn't even have time to celebrate the gold because what did you go do?

[Unknown Guest]

Go play for a friggin championship and lost. That was annoying. But you flew back to America. No, I literally played, I think less than a week after I got back. No, that was, that was a lie. I lied. I think it was like a week and a half. But I played in the first game back and it was scored, but still my legs were on fire and I was dying.

[Trinity Rodman]

I think women are obviously so scrutinized in general, but sports specifically I think has been like a huge topic recently in a great way. But what do you think is the hardest part about being a female athlete?

[Unknown Guest]

Oh my gosh.

[Trinity Rodman]

I know you're like, do you have nine hours?

[Unknown Guest]

I think the recognition for one. I think even just in conversation it's like, oh, who do you play for? A spirit. And they're like, what's that? I'm like, yeah, but I'm like, I don't know. I would say recognition pay, obviously, like even just being on media and it's like, obviously NBA, NFL makes way more money, has way more viewers, like, not taking that away. But I think seeing the contracts and then looking at ours, I'm just like, fuck, I'm so grateful to be making the money that I make right now at my age. But I look and I'm just like. It's just like. But also, I'd say another big thing is, like, the human aspect of it. Like, I just feel like with male sports, with men, it's like they're out here going to concerts, on stage, going to clubs, going to all this. And it's like, oh, here this person is at a club drinking, like, two nights before a game, and it's just like, okay, normal. But it's like, I feel like me and my teammates will go out one night on an off weekend, and we're like. We see a camera and we're like, oh, my gosh, what if. What if our coach finds out? What if somebody posts it? Like, and we're not even getting drunk. Like, we're just going to, like, be in public and just, like, feel the vibes. Yeah, just like, feel like something.

[Trinity Rodman]

We're just here to feel something. We're dead sober. We've had, like, half of a cocktail.

[Unknown Guest]

I'm like, drinking Red Bull the whole time.

[Trinity Rodman]

It's like, okay, no, but I get what you're saying. It's like the double standard of, like, why Ken and it again, though, like, it hasn't changed, though, I guess, is what we're also saying. It's like your dad was known for. I watched the Michael Jordan doc on like, the Whatever the fuck. The last Something.

[Unknown Guest]

Sorry.

[Trinity Rodman]

Oh, my God. All the. Yeah, the last dance. Sorry.

[Unknown Guest]

I do know that fact.

[Trinity Rodman]

The last dance. And he's on a flight to Vegas and he comes back and he shows up in the middle and he's ready for the game. And it's like, if women behaved the same way that men did, it just. You wouldn't be in the position you're in. Because we are expected to act differently and to speak differently in media and to present ourselves differently. And it's exhausting. And especially when you're getting to see men act a certain way and get bigger paychecks. Like, it fucking sucks. It sucks.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, it does. Definitely. And I think, yeah, it's just annoying. It's just annoying.

[Trinity Rodman]

No, but can I say I do really respect you for sitting down with me today for a numerous amount of reasons, but when talking about the women in sports, I feel like something that as someone that used to play but doesn't play anymore and is now in media. Like, I think something that can contribute to the sports growing is this, is the athletes becoming more well known for who they are. Individual of the sport. Because sports are fucking amazing. We love sports, but who is Trinity Rodman outside of being on the field? And, like, I think that's what gets people so fucking excited and incentivized, on top of being a great big sports lover. Like, there may be some people. I remember doing my show, and people were like, oh, fuck. I, like, watched soccer games, and I've never watched a soccer game in my life, but I just, like, tuned in because, like, I listened to Call Her Daddy, and, like, now I kind of love it. And it's like, whatever we can do to get people to tune in, I think is so important because, like, women do deserve the recognition that they don't get. So I appreciate you fucking speaking up, even if it's about something that you didn't want to talk about.

[Unknown Guest]

Well, no, no. Like, I appreciate it, too, even if it makes me uncomfortable. I think, too, like, obviously, like, getting to know the person outside the sport, but also, like, we are going to have a life outside of soccer. Like, if an injury happens or when we retire, like, you can only play so long, so it's like, what is our life after that? And, like, if we're only known for soccer, it is so hard to pick up the pieces and figure out what you're doing after that. So I think for me, even growing up, like, anyone close to me could tell you that I've always wanted soccer. Like, I've always wanted to be an Olympic athlete. Like, World cup winner. Like, everything. But through everything, I've always said I don't want soccer to be my entire bane of existence. Like, I don't want to live, die, breathe soccer. And I know a lot of athletes that do.

[Trinity Rodman]

Yeah.

[Unknown Guest]

Respect. But I just think in the future, live, die, breathe soccer is not gonna help me in the long run. And then I'm just gonna feel like I lack purpose once I'm done playing. Yeah. And I feel like I'm trying to figure that out. But, yeah, moments like this really help me.

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah.

[Trinity Rodman]

Look at your personality shining. You walk around with your ass out, waiting for your boyfriend to smack your ass. Your outfit.

[Unknown Guest]

What's happening?

[Alex Cooper]

Your outfit.

[Trinity Rodman]

Sweats dripping down, so I know I'm sweating. Okay, last question. What do you want your legacy in the sport to be?

[Unknown Guest]

I feel like my answer is simple. Just like, I want to be the athlete that brought the fun to sport. That simple. I don't want to be the one that scored a thousand goals. Like, I don't need to be the person that was like, she was the best athlete. I want to be like, she was a great athlete, but she also made it fun to watch and be a part of. Ooh, drop the micro period. That trinity life's too short.

[Trinity Rodman]

Thank you so much for coming on Caller Daddy, you crushed.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, thanks for listening to me. Thank you.

[Alex Cooper]

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[Trinity Rodman]

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[Alex Cooper]

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[Trinity Rodman]

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[Unknown Guest]

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[Trinity Rodman]

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