Zara Larsson: Pop Girls, Confidence, & Crushes

Summary

Call Her Daddy — Zara Larsson: Pop Girls, Confidence, & Crushes

Host: Alex Cooper
Guest: Zara Larsson
Release Date: April 22, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this vibrant and candid episode, Alex Cooper welcomes pop sensation Zara Larsson for a deep-dive into her evolving career, the intricacies of pop stardom, and how she's built unshakeable confidence in a digital world. Together, they discuss everything from viral trends and fashion to the realities of industry misogyny, personal growth, navigating criticism, and authentic relationships. The tone is open, honest, and infused with humor and self-awareness, making for an electric and relatable conversation for fans and newcomers alike.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Zara's "Moment" and Industry Recognition

• The Rise to Fame ([03:06])
  • Despite recent waves of attention, Zara shares, “I've been doing this forever… Internally, it just feels exactly the same…my interactions on my posts look different…amounts of likes and comments, even things I say in interviews.”
• Olympics Highlight ([04:12])
  • Alysa Liu’s Olympic skate to “Stateside” made Zara emotional. “Seeing her so free and joyful…That's my vibe...Being in that moment for me feels bigger than charts because I feel like that’s like a cultural…It’s like herstory, truly.”

2. Navigating Social Media and Viral Culture

• Chronically Online ([12:03])
  • Zara candidly discusses her major TikTok usage (“16 hours a day”).
  • “It's me,” Zara laughs about her FYP, “I'm like, yes, like, like, like, repost, repost me.”
• Dolphin Trend & Style Evolution ([07:14])
  • On inspiration from the “Dolphin Trend”: “I can't say with the hand on my heart the dolphin was not on the mood board…but it spoke to me…I have always loved glitter, glam, sparkle, colors.”
  • Exploration of Swedish minimalism vs. Zara’s own maximalist style and the joy of embodying “mermaid Barbie” energy.

3. Creative Control & Artistic Confidence

• Taking the Reins ([14:24])
  • “It wasn’t until quite recently I felt like I am finally like a part of creating what I do…Now I feel like it represents me…It makes it so much more fun.”
• Overcoming Self-Doubt ([13:19])
  • “I’ve never actually been a very shameful person…that allows me to have more fun and not be so hard on myself.”

4. Pop, Identity, and the "Kia Asylum"

• Kia Asylum Explained ([18:31])
  • “It’s a place…pop girls that have big hits…but little to no cultural relevance…People know the songs but not the artist. I’ve been so aware of it.”
• Breaking Free ([19:45])
  • “I think it was being free in sharing myself…with this Midnight Sun [album], it felt so much like me…sharing more of myself with my followers and online.”

5. Handling Online Criticism & Wikipedia Drama

• Dealing with Haters ([21:43])
  • Zara admits, “I had to delete Twitter. I'm like, take care.” She discusses the headgames involved in reading excessive opinions about oneself.
• Wikipedia “Beef” ([22:35])
  • Zara’s campaign to change her Wikipedia photo: “They locked the page…It was just an ugly photo of me…I had to send them a video: Hey, this is Zara Larsson. I took this photo.”

6. The Power of All-Women Teams & Sisterhood

• Creating with Women ([30:29])
  • “I feel so confident. I feel so free in expressing myself…You don’t have to prove all the time that you know what you’re talking about. It’s so refreshing.”

7. Competitiveness & Solidarity Among Pop Girls

• Opening for Tate McRae ([40:43])
  • Zara loved touring with Tate. “It was one of the first stepping stones of what I was trying to do with Midnight Sun.”
• Industry Comparisons ([43:31])
  • On being pitted against other women: “People love an underdog…once you get haters, that’s when you know you’re like that.”
  • “It’s like a cheap shot, putting someone up by putting someone else down…You can actually just say, wow, that was incredible.”

8. Personal Stories: Friendship, Mistakes, and Growth

• Girls Girl Song Backstory ([49:28])
  • Inspired by a messy teenage mistake. “One of my best friend’s boyfriend…started kissing me…and I just kissed him back because I was messy like that and 16 and really drunk…If I could take it back, I would so, so, so bad. But I also have to forgive myself for it.”
• Evolving Concept of Sisterhood ([53:05])
  • “Now when I'm like, I feel like I can employ women…I want to create with other women. And I, you know, just take women very seriously because I think we're so amazing and capable.”

9. Relationships, Confidence, and Validation

• Decentering Men ([56:15])
  • On not needing male validation: “Now maybe it’s like you turn 25 and your brain develops…I focus so, so, so little on that right now.”
  • “I only want to impress the mean 13-year-old girls.”
• Honesty in Love ([61:12])
  • Zara describes how her boyfriend is her rock and sounding board: “He knows me better than I know myself.”
  • They even have a nickname for her flirty alter ego — “the girl” — who used to crave validation.
• Songwriting About Love ([71:08])
  • On writing “Blue Moon” about her boyfriend: “We were in Jamaica together writing it…he was there, just kind of in the studio.”

10. Humor & Viral Moments

• Condom Photo Viral Story ([69:15])
  • About her famous Tumblr post fitting a condom over her leg: “It reached all the way up to my knee…if you say it doesn’t fit, I don’t know how big it is, but not as big as my leg…It blew up.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Olympics and "herstory" ([04:30])

“Being in that moment for me feels bigger than charts because I feel like that’s like a cultural…It’s like herstory, truly.”
— Zara Larsson

On Embracing Herself Spiritually and Musically ([14:24])

“I have to plant the seed. I can’t just, like, tend to the garden that somebody else planted. I have to…write my music, be a part of the show, be a part of designing what I wear…that just makes me feel in control, and it makes it so much more fun.”
— Zara Larsson

On Breaking Out of the Kia Asylum ([19:45])

“Just me being freer, but also more…like myself.”
— Zara Larsson

On Social Media and Self-Love ([13:19])

“I've never actually been a very shameful person...that allows me to have more fun and like not be so hard on myself.”
— Zara Larsson

On Comparison Among Women ([43:54])

“It’s like too easy for people to compare us, even though we are…similar, but we’re very different. And I don’t think that was fun at all for her.”
— Zara Larsson

On Female Support Networks ([30:34])

“I feel so confident. I feel so free in expressing myself…you don’t have to prove all the time that you know what you’re talking about.”
— Zara Larsson

On Decentering Men ([57:05])

“I only want to impress the mean 13-year-old girls, you know what I mean? Like that’s who I want to impress.”
— Zara Larsson

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Important Timestamps

• Zara’s recent success & handling fame – [03:06]
• Alysa Liu’s Olympic performance – [04:12]
• Dolphin trend, TikTok, and fashion inspiration – [07:14]
• Chronically online habits – [12:03]
• Artistic confidence and creating her own work – [14:24]
• The “Kia Asylum” phenomenon – [18:31]
• Online hate and self-searching – [21:43]
• Wikipedia photo saga – [22:35]
• Touring and creating with women – [30:29]
• Tour gossip and pop fandom rivalry – [40:43]
• Addressing pop girl comparisons – [43:54]
• The “Girls Girl” song and story – [49:28]
• Decentering men and finding internal validation – [56:15]
• Crushes, honesty, and relationship dynamics – [61:12]
• The iconic condom photo story – [69:15]
• On her upcoming deluxe album & creative collaborations – [72:05]

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Conclusion

This episode shines as an authentic, funny, and empowering conversation about pop culture, self-acceptance, the complexities of making it as a woman in music, and the strength of celebrating oneself and other women. Zara Larsson’s openness about her career growth, personal mishaps, the drive to support other women, and her irreverent sense of humor makes it a must-listen for anyone seeking inspiration in owning their story.

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Zara, on the secret to success:

"It's the only way that could work in a way. Like, it's just what is, just what has to be it." ([75:02])

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[End of summary.]

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Thanks.

[A]

It is so nice to meet you.

[B]

Nice to meet you.

[A]

I have been really, really looking forward to this.

[B]

Me too.

[A]

Girl, you are having a moment.

[B]

I know. It's so crazy.

[A]

How has Z easier felt for you and how are you handling all the attention?

[B]

No, it feels amazing. Honestly. I've been thinking a lot about it because internally it's so crazy because I've been doing this forever and I think a lot of people might just discover me and find out about me. And sometimes, you know, a lot of artists, it seems like they just like pop out of nowhere. But I've really been doing this for my whole entire life. And yeah, internally it just feels exactly the same. I feel like nothing's really changed for me like in my day to day or how I feel when I wake up and like what I do. I'm still on tour right now and I've been touring for like the past year so everything feels really normal. I think the only difference or the biggest difference is like my interactions on like my posts look different and like the amounts of like likes and comments and shares and even things I say in interviews or like things I say to the today. I think earlier it might have been like, like I just say something but

[A]

then yeah, it's like a bigger microscope.

[B]

Yes. Yes.

[A]

That is so interesting because it's like you're talking about how your life you feel. It's like it's been the same but then there's these big moments that yes, you can pinpoint there. It's like, okay, more people are noticing me. Like then we have the Olympics. Alyssa Lou skated to stateside, which was everyone's talking about it. What did that mean to you?

[B]

It was so amazing. And I knew she was gonna do that because she mentioned it in an interview like the day before some, some interview asked her like, what are you gonna do for, for this performance? And when I saw it, I just kept watching it. I maybe watched it like five times with my friends and we filmed the first time and like put it on tick tock. But then the more I watched it, like the more emotional I felt because I think it's also just seeing her looking so in it, like, she's so in her body and she's so free and she looks so joyful. Like, that is my vibe. And the way she talks about her sport and why she does it and the fact that it just seems to come from this place of true passion and love. And not that no one's forcing her to do it or that, you know, it just feels like on her terms. And then she did it to Pink Panthers and my song, it just felt like, obviously I will give her all the credit for pushing it up to number one. But being in that moment, for me feels bigger than like the charts because I feel like that's like a cultural. It's like herstory, truly.

[A]

It's the Olympics. It's like it's representing of countries in the world.

[B]

No, she just. I'm so excited to like, have been a part of that because that's. That's iconic.

[A]

Did you get to talk to her at all? Did you guys DM nothing?

[B]

I did, yes. That's actually very fun. Part about getting recognized and like, having more followers and having this like, celebrity situation. I feel like I can reach out to basically, like a lot of people and I know I will probably get an answer.

[A]

Have you been sliding into people's DMs, Zara?

[B]

Yeah, but I do it with like, with like, love. Like, Queen. Like, hey, Queen.

[A]

Like, have you gotten any, like, messages back for like, I can't believe I'm even DMing with this person casually.

[B]

I reach out to a lot of artists, like a lot of girls sometimes just to say, like, hey, big fan. Like, love what you do.

[A]

Like, and the fact that you know that they're gonna read it. Cause you go right to the top. You got that blue check. You're like, hi, it's me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Have a good Wednesday.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. But I just said like, thank you so much. That was incred. You're amazing. Like, please come to a show.

[A]

She has to. I mean, I feel like this new album and era has been really transformative for you. It almost feels like a reintroduction in a way. And not even just with your music. It's also your style and your image. Like, what inspiration did you pull to create this new world?

[B]

Well, a lot of people, you know, give credit to the dolphin trend on Tick Tock. Which girl?

[A]

We gotta talk about it. Yes.

[B]

Which. Honestly, you know, it's. I don't think they're wrong. I think subconsciously when you move through life, you just pick up a bunch of stuff. I. I can't. I can't say with the hand on my heart. Like, the dolphin was not on the mood board, but, you know, it's like, we'll take. Was a big part of my 20, 24.

[A]

Can you just quickly, just for anyone who lives under a rock and maybe is like.

[B]

No, some people do.

[A]

What are you guys talking about? The dolphin. What? Dolph, explain the dolphin. Where they came from and how they essentially impacted your life.

[B]

Yeah. Changed your life. Where did they come from? I don't know. I remember one time I was doing a festival. I was in Norway, and my friends, just this day particularly, I remember because they kept sending me these videos on TikTok. It was just very colorful dolphins. They're jumping out of the water. It's rainbows, it's blue skies. It's like happiness in a picture. Vivid. And then that picture paired with the kind of explosive chorus of symphony with a very depressing quote of your life, you know? And I think it's that. What's the word? Juxtaposition.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yes. Yes, it is. It's like something so. Yeah, it's something so depressing in text.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Two symphony in the background. And it's like so random and it makes you laugh every single time you see one.

[B]

And that blew up because when they. When they sent me those videos, it was like maybe 5 to 10,000 likes per video. And I was like, whoa. Like, why is this becoming a thing? And then from one day to another, it was just everywhere. But, yeah, I think, like, my style and everything from that. The thing is, I did feel like it spoke to me, just the image, because I have always loved glitter. I love glam, I love the sparkle, I love colors. I love like, woo. Like this, you know, I love that. And I have always felt a little bit. Not embarrassed, but like being from Sweden, which is very, like, minimalistic. It's like clean lines, it's a lot of neutrals, a lot of black. Like in fashion. And I've always wanted to be like you in fashion because I think music and fashion go so hand in hand. I feel like I had to repress that side of me a little bit and, like, be fashion. And then it just turned into like a really weird style. And I think this album just allowed me to fully do what I love.

[A]

What you said too, with the fashion element is so true to artists. The way that they express themselves and the way that they also differentiate themselves from other artists is through fashion, not just the music. And obviously your fashion sense has really Popped off. And I think people are obsessed with the way that you dress. And I can tell that so much of your creative vision is poured into your fashion. People have called you a mermaid Barbie. Does that resonate?

[B]

I love that you love it. I love it. I love it. It's perfect. That's my dream.

[A]

Is that how you would describe your esthetic?

[B]

Yeah, maybe. Definitely colorful. You know, I love the long hair, especially when I'm on tour, to just, like, throw it around, have the wind, have the sparkles. Like, I love the show. Ness of it. I love that it feels like it's not pedestrian, you know, it's like, no, we're putting on a show, and especially this time around, because I'm doing my US run, and we have, like, maybe the budget is $5. Like, you know what I mean? It's like, it's small. Like, I was. When we. When we did these. When we booked these venues, like, I didn't know that this was gonna happen. Like, I didn't know I was gonna sit here and talk to you, like, a year ago. I didn't know, like, what would be happening to me. So we have these, like, amazing, amazing women that I share the stage with in my band and my dancers and me. And that's the show. I mean, we are the show. So, like, the show has to be, like, the outfits, you know, the light and the hair.

[A]

But that makes sense where it's like, people forget that tours are booked so far in advance, and so, like, we

[B]

try to upgrade, and it's just. It's booked out, like, so far in advance, so. But I will be back, though.

[A]

You will be back. And you know what? Maybe it's fun that it's like, this is going to be the most intimate it will ever get because it's like your career is on the rise. Okay. You mentioned you're chronically online.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which I remember seeing an interview. You said that your screen time was like, 16 hours a day. And I'm like, perfect. She doesn't sleep.

[B]

No, I know.

[A]

What app are you using the most?

[B]

Tick Tock.

[A]

I figured, what is, like, taking over your for you page? Like, what is where. If I was. If I was on your phone. What am I saying?

[B]

It's me.

[A]

Because you're your own biggest fan. I'm obsessed. For real.

[B]

Like, I. I try to engage also so much in, like, what people post and, like, what they say. And I, like, always like and comment and, like, engage. So I feel like my algorithm's like, oh, you must, like, be a really big fan, our Larson. So it's just like, I'm like, yes, like, like, like repost, repost me. And then what else is it? But that's the, that's the, that's the crazy part of it all. You can spend like six hours on that app and then you lay down your phone, you're like, what have I just watched for six hours?

[A]

And then you pick it back up because you're like, I need more. And you're like, what did I even watch?

[B]

The way you scroll, it's like, next video will be amazing. Next video will be amazing. It's that.

[A]

I love how you're saying that. And your videos are you wait. Cuz I.

[B]

Maybe the next one's good.

[A]

I feel like some people, Zara, like, would be like, whenever people would see themselves on an app, they'd be like, oh my God, quickly scroll. Whether they're like, I'm going to be cringe or whatever you have. You're like, I fucking love myself.

[B]

Yes. But also I think it's like, that's funny you say that actually, because I used to really be like that. I used to like not watch anything. I didn't want to watch any performances. I was like, oh, like, get it away from me. You know? And now I think it's just so in, in my face a lot of the times. And it truly did come from me wanting to like engage with the people who are posting it. But I think also the older I get, I've never actually been a very shameful person. Like everything that I do, I think that's one of my best qualities is that I, I don't carry like a lot of shame. And I think that just allows me to have more fun and like not be so hard on myself and judgmental because I really used to be like, every time I would step off stage, it wasn't good enough. I. It wasn't fun. Like I could have done better. That was embarrassing. Oh, I. I messed this up. I did. I was just like, everything was like, boo.

[A]

What do you think? Was that turning point for you though? Was it age, perhaps?

[B]

Age? I think it was also me really feeling like I. Because I've been doing this for like so long. It wasn't until quite recently I felt like I am finally like a part of creating what I do. Because when I started out, I didn't write my music. I didn't like really creatively make like my shows, my video. I feel like it was just kind of happening around me and it was happening with I was always, like, a part of the decision, the overall, like, decision making. And, like, I get. I got to, like, no, I want to do this song. Like, I don't want to do this song. But overall, I think a sense of control that I have now where it's like, it's coming from me, that's when I feel like it represents me, and I feel like it's. I have to plant the seed. I can't just, like, tend to the garden that somebody else planted. I have to, like, this how I feel. I have to make, like, write my music, be a part of the show, be a part of. Of designing, like, what I wear, be a part. And that just makes me feel, like, in control, and it makes it so much more fun.

[A]

Right? It's almost like I was thinking about it. When you're saying that you saying you don't scroll past yourself, it's because you're fully aware of what you're about to see. Because, yes, all of the creative you chose, all of your outfits, what you're singing, you chose. So you're like, oh, I remember. Oh. And I hit that dance move, and I like that moment where before, you're probably like, oh, God, like, why did I do that? Why did I do that? I was already feeling icky about it before I went on stage because I actually didn't even really know if I wanted to. To sing that song.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

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[B]

I feel like it's a place that, okay, here we go. It's a place. I don't know how it was started. And it's this institution where I think it's mostly girls in there, honestly, like the pop girls that have big hits. So they've been charting, like, they maybe have billions of streams on their songs. Like, I have really popular songs, but they have little to no, like, cultural relevance, I would say, or maybe like an identity. So they have, like, the songs and people know can sing along with them, but they might not necessarily know who is singing the song. And I've always kind of struggled with this. I'm like, oh, I've been so aware of it. And I didn't know about, like, the Kia Asylum or the Kai Asylum before, you know, like, five, six, seven years ago. But I've always felt, like, what is it that. Because I. I feel like I have so much inside of me that people can connect with. Why. Why can't I bridge that gap? Because I've had these amazing songs, but, like, what the fuck is happening that makes me not.

[A]

Like, what isn't clicking?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In your opinion now, looking back, what do you think was keeping you there?

[B]

I think. I think it was being free in, like, sharing myself. Because I, you know, I've tried the whole, like, I'm gonna be mysterious. There's something very, like, like, sexy about that, you know? But I'm not a mysterious person, and that's just genuinely not who I am. So with this midnight sun, because it felt so much like me, I also felt like just sharing who I am with people and my followers. I think my. My, like, you know, hardcore fans have always kind of known me and, like, checked out all my interviews and, like, all of that. But I think I've also just shared more of myself with my followers and, like, online. And I think it's. Again, I think it's all these small things coming together, like the music, the fashion, the personality. Just me being freer, but also more. Yeah. Like myself.

[A]

It's like, you thought being in the music industry, you're like, maybe I'll just try to be mysterious. And look at. When you just leaned into yourself, everyone's like.

[B]

But it's also hard. I think, like, Instagram is, like, hard because it is so, like, aesthetic, you

[A]

know, it's so hard.

[B]

And I think that's why it's just so much easier to, like, like, connect, because I don't have to think about. And. And. And even sometimes I do want to wear, like, a black leather jacket. And now I'm like, wait, can I do that? But it's like the duality of a woman. Like, I still have it in me. I still have a leather jacket in me.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

I love it, but it's hard. It's hard to, like. I think that's also what it is, actually. Now when I think back at it, it's like staying a little bit disciplined because it is me and it is what I love. But it's also like, if you want to create some sort of brand, you have to have the consistency and the discipline.

[A]

You're so right. You said in an interview that people used to call you a flop, like, 50 times a day.

[B]

It's like, no, listen, girl. That's why I had to delete Twitter. I'm like, take care.

[A]

You're like, goodbye. But how did those type of comments affect you when you were reading them and consuming them?

[B]

It's weird because it's this, like, game with my brain. I think reading it's. It's so strange how I don't think we're meant to read a thousand opinions about ourselves a day. Even, like, over five. Like, that's a lot. And I think what matters is, like, what the people around you are saying. Right? So having. Having, like, some sort of social media or platform where people would just kind of say everything. And I have to be honest. Honest. Like, yeah, I searched for my name. I did that. I don't want to see the mention.

[A]

We know you want to talk about Wikipedia. Oh, we know you're. How do we. Can we quickly talk about that? Really? Pivot. Sorry. This Wikipedia beef that you have, have we settled it? Have we squashed it?

[B]

They locked the page.

[A]

They did.

[B]

No one can. No one can come in and edit

[A]

it anymore and explain the photo to people who haven't seen it.

[B]

It was just an ugly photo of me. And I was like, I don't want that to be the photo. I want it to be a hot photo. And then we try to change it. And then they kept changing back and we emailed them, like, can. Can, like, we just keep this picture? And they were like, well, it has to be by a photographer who have to give up, like, the copyright. And I'm like, yeah, but like, I took the photo. Like, my friend took the photo, and they were like, what camera? And then we send this camera. And they were like, send us a full resolution. And we're like, it's just like a small, bad digital.

[A]

Going back and forth with Wikipedia.

[B]

No, like, back and forth. I think they didn't believe that I, like, owned the picture. And I was like, no, like, I had send them a video. Like, hey, this is Zara Larson. Like, I took this photo. Like, my friend took this photo of. And they were like, yeah. So the cut, the girl. It was the whole thing.

[A]

The length that you went to be like, there will be no ugly photo of me. Get this out, Zara.

[B]

I'm like, that's the one I want.

[A]

You're like, I want to serve face. Also, I love how of all the photos, you're like, no one even looks at Wikipedia these days. But you're like, like, my Wikipedia will slay to the gods and don't you ever forget it. Honestly, I have a lot of respect for that. Yes. How many times did you go in and try to change it.

[B]

Oh, like, 20. No. Yes. It was over a period of time. And then when I posted the video, I posted a video on Tick Tock. I was like, whoever's changing this, like, stop it. Like, because I will not give up. I will change it 21 times.

[A]

I'm obsessed. Like, every morning you're having your coffee, you're like. Like, here we go. Refresh.

[B]

Yes. Yes. Like, I will text my friend Vandela. Just be like, you have to change it again. Like, it's changed back.

[A]

Okay, so you're searching yourself online constantly. You're as deep and as Wikipedia.

[B]

And I think it's. I think it's. And I think it's like, again, a sense of false control, of, like, what are people saying about me? What are they thinking about me? Because at the end of the day, I'm like, an artist, right? Like, I have this ego that I have to soothe, and I want people to love me, and I want people to like what I do. And when I have a bad day, I almost go in and I search for, like, the good comments. Gives me a boost, and like, yay. You know, it's like, whoo. But then I just kind of look for the bad comments to almost confirm what I feel about myself that day. And it's like, I knew it.

[A]

What?

[B]

I knew it.

[A]

What are some of the negative things that you feel about yourself? Because I feel like people online would look and be like, oh, you want to know what? I look up when I want to, like, get confidence. It's a Zara Larson dancing video of you shaking your ass, looking like the hottest goddess in the world. And then, like, so I'm assuming people are like, wait, what do you mean?

[B]

Like, well, I think it is. I think if I have a bad day, I mean, what. The only. The only thing that affects me is. Is. Which I guess is true for everyone. The. The things that affects you is the things that you believe even a little bit, you know, so. Because I always, like, I always felt this disconnect with people. Or like, I'm in the key asylum. Like, I'm really stuck in here, you know? Or like, maybe I am a flop. Or, like, what is it that doesn't connect? Like, what am I missing? And, like, all those things. I think that affects me more because I've been, like, beefing with people online since I was, like, 14 and I had my blog, and I would just, you know, But I used to write a lot about feminism. I used to write a lot about, like, I was out here hating men. Before it became a thing?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

No, truly. And when it comes to me personally, I think, yeah, like when I have a bad day, it just, oh, reinforces what I feel like I already felt.

[A]

Right. Do you look back at the time when there was negativity and it, when it would get to you, before you got yourself out of this asylum, did it impact the way that you felt about releasing music?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Talk to me about that.

[B]

Well, I think I just cared a lot about what people would think and what people would say. And earlier on I also, again, I didn't like write my stuff. So I felt like since it wasn't really like coming from me, like my words, I could kind of only lean on other people's opinions. Like I could know that it's good. I think it's good. But also like it was very important for other people to also feel like it was good for me because I started like I got signed at 14 and at that point you're so young and you're around all these grown ups and they just, you know, have been in the industry for a really long time and they're very talented. So it's like we're giving you this song and we're giving you this song and it wasn't really like an option for me to. Well, I didn't know, like I. When you don't know what it is, you don't know. You just don't even know where to start. And I've always kind of, I've loved writing. Like I said, I had my blog. I love to like, I love to express myself. But I think also I tried to be in some sessions and I think there's just this sense of like when you're 14, 15, it's hard to truly emotionally connect with someone who is like 40.

[A]

And those are the type of people you're sitting in that room with.

[B]

Yeah, you feel really small and they're so amazing and incredible. So I just kind of felt like, like, what do I have to say? Like, you guys know better than I do when really it's not about that. It's just about like, it's not about who, who is better. It's like who can now I realize, like, who can get, who can get me the most comfortable so I can be the most myself.

[A]

But even Zara, I'm thinking too, you referenced, you know, you're a young girl at the time when you started your career, when you would walk into rooms with, with label executives and producers, you would be the youngest person there.

[B]

Definitely.

[A]

What did that make you feel like

[B]

it's just always been like that for me. And now when that's no longer the reality, I'm like, wow. I think I really, really would have benefited from being around people more like my age. But it's really hard to find like the next big, the number one writer. 15 year old. Like, you know you're not stacking your

[A]

studio with 15 year olds.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Just like come hang after school.

[A]

Who's paying for the studio? None of us have jobs. We're all 15. No, I get it.

[B]

It's just always been like that. And the thing is, I used to have my mom with me everywhere.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

My mom was with me everywhere, like in every session, in every studio. Like she would sit right there, like she was just with me. And I think that is such a blessing for me. And like, thinking back at it, I'm very thankful that she was just there, you know? And I've always felt like the people I started working with were also. Because I got signed to an independent label in Sweden called 10. And starting out, it was kind of this 360 deal where they were like managing and record label, which kind of worked in the beginning because it was so small and it was just kind of in Sweden. Sweden. But they were also with me and I felt like I could really trust them. They always wanted, like, what was best for me. I've been lucky to have been around good people.

[A]

You go on tour with all these women?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Since surrounding yourself with women, what difference has that made for you in your career?

[B]

I feel so confident.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I feel so free in expressing myself. I also feel like for a lot of women, like in whatever kind of work they're doing, even like on tour, because we're all women on stage, but there's so much happening also a lot of women holding the mics, you know, performing, being pop stars. But the producers and the. The people working backstage, like nothing of this would work without people surrounding me or like the industry. So I think they always just have to the classic work twice as hard to take or to get half the recognition that men get. And it feels really like they're just so accomplished. And I feel like everyone is being taken seriously and you don't have to prove all the time that you know what you're talking about or. Or that you know what you want. It's so refreshing.

[A]

And I'm curious, like, since having this success, I. In your song stateside, you say, I'm that girl. I've been it.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

What does it feel like, now that you really have people finally recognizing that, like, is it a little annoying? Like, are people coming out of the woodwork?

[B]

I love it. I love it. And this just proved, like, oh, I'm the shit. Like, I'm hot right now. Like, that's fun. It just. It says more about, like, what I'm doing than. And I think. I think. I think actually maybe the opposite for me. I think a lot of my friends, because I'm so bad at staying in contact with my friends when I travel, just in general, this has really been an issue for me and a lot of my friendships throughout the years because I'm away a lot, and the only thing that exists for me, I'm very present. It's this. Whatever's in front of my nose that exists. But I think almost the opposite that people might be scared of now. Like, close, close friends that I had are a bit, like, scared of calling me, because maybe they don't want to think that I like that they're calling me, because that is going well for me.

[A]

I see.

[B]

So it's almost like the opposite.

[A]

You're like, girl, call me. Yes, let's go. Let's go get dinner.

[B]

Yes. But also, like, yeah, I've been. I feel like I am just doing what I do, you know? And that's what makes it so fun and easy. I think this whole era is just. I don't really have to think about, like, oh, what's going to be the next thing. Like, oh. Because I just do what I like, and, like, I just do what feels right, and that's just who I am at the moment. And then I don't have to overthink what's next so much or what it is. Like, it's just. Is. And I've. I'm just. I'm just this, like, I'm very open. What you see is what you get.

[A]

Okay, let's talk about tour.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

First of all, the one note in your song, midnight Sun.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's, like, kind of long.

[B]

It's kind of long.

[A]

Do you have to, like, prep for it? Like, when you do it live, are you, like. Like, could you bust it out right now, or do you have to, like, fully prep for that?

[B]

I could bust it out right now. It's just loud.

[A]

Would you do it for me? Wait, wait. Not me. Fangirling. Okay. Me pushing my mic away, too. Pretending.

[B]

Okay. I think it's. That's the right key. So I do. Take a breath. That's what I do.

[A]

Okay. Take a breath.

[B]

And ever ending and ever ending midnight sun. An ever ending midnight sun. I think that was the right key. Maybe it was. I think it was lower.

[A]

If that wasn't the right key, maybe it's up there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I just got tears in my eyes.

[B]

Oh, stop it.

[A]

We. No, no, I'm not even gassing you up. Every single woman in this room right now. Your voice.

[B]

Oh, thanks.

[A]

Getting a little live performance right now. I'm like, I have full.

[B]

But, you know, I used to do that. I think that was, like, when I used to go to. To these, like, record labels to be signed, I would be like, and now I'm gonna sing a cappella for you. Like old school. Shit.

[A]

And then they would just literally, with their mouth open, be like, like, oh, she doesn't need any auto tune.

[B]

I used to sing. I would rather go blind.

[A]

Stop. You, like, get up on the chair. You're like, are you all ready to be graced with greatness? Sit down. Yes. Zara.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You have an insane voice. Oh, my God. You didn't even do a. Do you do vocal warm ups? You just hit it.

[B]

I don't. I literally don't. I feel like the first song of the show, midnight sun, that is like, my warmup.

[A]

It'll do it.

[B]

And then I. Yeah, and then I just get, like, like warmed. Warmed up throughout the show.

[A]

I'm never gonna get over that. First of all, I've also never had someone sing that loud in the Colorado studio, and I am.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

Okay. You've been touring for, like, 10 years.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm assuming you have some wild stories, like, things that have happened, but.

[B]

Okay, you're like, no, no, I'm doing that face. Because the craziest thing we do is, like, throw some candy wraps on the floor in the bush us.

[A]

Stop. Okay, what's the craziest thing that's happened on stage? Ooh, malfunctions, disasters, people.

[B]

All the time. All the time. Yeah, but that's just like that showbiz, baby. You just got to suck it up and. And move on.

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[B]

Okay?

[A]

We both like edibles.

[B]

Oh yeah, I love that.

[A]

What is your favorite kind?

[B]

Oh, like you don't even strain or like brand or just like.

[A]

Or just like. Yeah. Like are you more of a sativa girl?

[B]

I'm like a hybrid Hybrid. Because. Because sometimes I get scared.

[A]

Okay. You know, talk to me about your fears.

[B]

No, but sometimes I get like paranoid.

[A]

Yes. Oh.

[B]

Like if I take one it's like, oh, I'm scared.

[A]

What. What time of day are you usually always?

[B]

Like always recreational. Like no work.

[A]

No work.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So like you're at.

[B]

So my worst nightmare would be to like have an edible sit in this couch with you and like having to speak.

[A]

You know what? I am the same exact way. Like if we both were on edibles right now.

[B]

No, we Would just. We would just. We wouldn't. We would just.

[A]

And we'd be too scared to, like, say anything because I'd be like, was. Did I come off weird? Yeah. Yeah. Was that weird? And you'd be like, no, no. Am I being weird? And I'm like, am I sitting weird? What's my posture like? Yes. And you'd be like, I don't know where I am.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So you're recreational with friends. I have done it, like, twice on tour, and it was so fun.

[A]

What? Okay, so it went well.

[B]

It went really well. But it was also, like, just an opening slot. It was for Tate, and It was just 45 minutes at that point. I was very comfortable in the set, but having done it, I'm like, yeah, I don't think I'm gonna do it again because I think it's something, you know. Know it's. For me, it's like, giggle and chill with your friends or like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

No, no, no.

[B]

I. I don't understand people that just, like, smoke crazy and then they go and do a show.

[A]

I'm the same. I like to. I think I thrive my most when I'm alone and I have a little edible.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm not like, walking around and going to meetings.

[B]

No.

[A]

Couldn't do it. Okay. Speaking of Tate, you opened for Tate McCrae?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

What was the most fun part of that tour?

[B]

Wow. I mean, the whole experience was really so incredible for me, and I knew it was going to be amazing before we went on. First of all, because she's incredible. Her fans are so fun, and I feel like it was just the perfect match. So I knew that this was going to be, like, one of the first stepping stones of what I was trying to do with Midnight Sun. I mean, it was.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I think. I think my album released on the last day of the tour. So it was like a perfect setup because I really haven't toured that much in the U.S. or like, America in general. And the. The most fun part, I mean, obviously to do the show every night, which was still like a 45 minute. So I got to give them, like, a good chunk of what I do and who I am and just the way it was received. I just could never have guessed, like, how much it was going to do for me, because they really felt like maybe it was just my. For you, Paige, because that's all it is. Just me, me, me.

[A]

You're like. They were loving me, Alex. Okay. I was thriving on that tour,

[B]

but I saw so many videos from it and, like, people engaging with it. And even though I don't have Twitter, I have my friend Vandela. Sometimes she sends me, like, the hit tweets of the week, and people were, like, really, really positive. And I think also the story of it all, I think the lore, like, people love an underdog, and people love to root for someone who they feel like is, like, on the come up a little bit. And I think because I've been doing it for such a long time, it's like, there is so much history to. And there is so much lore. It's like, this is not, like, an overnight thing. And people could be like, wow, like, she's worked so hard. Like, she deserves this. And I think that, like, adds to it.

[A]

And having two women that are so good at dancing. Yeah, you're gonna have a good time that night.

[B]

Oh, for sure.

[A]

And singing, both of you are, like, insane dancers and singers. So you're like.

[B]

But it was so incredible because I've been opening for other people before, like Ed Sheeran, Kygo. Yeah. Love, love, love, love, love him. I love him. But I think that that match was, like, way better. And I've never had. It was like. It was. It was like a lot of people who came to see the opening, which I didn't feel was the. The vibe for the other people that I've opened for.

[A]

The girlies were out.

[B]

The girlies were out, and they were like. They came to see it. So that was. That was so much fun.

[A]

I know that you had written in an Instagram post you kind of called out, even though so many. Like, you're saying the comments were so positive. The vibes were so positive. It was strange seeing people pit you and totally against each other, which is so sad because it's, like, kind of expected, which is like, why do. Like, why is that even the case? What was going on that you think was creating that dynamic?

[B]

What was going on? I think. Well, first of all, I've been doing this for longer. I'm older, and maybe some people felt like I deserve to be in the arena. And I'm like, well, buy the ticket then. That's not Tate's fault. You know what I mean? I haven't toured. For me, this was an amazing opportunity. I think it's just, like, the nature of how people speak about girls in pop again. Like, coming back to the Kia Asylum, like, no being put in there, except for the pop girls, you know, is this culture around which I sometimes think it's. It's very interesting. It could be Fun, because people are very like engaged in pop girls. The girls of pop are kind of pop culture, at least in my world. But then I think we are similar in the sense that, you know, we both dance, although she's a way better dancer. And I, I like, like, I do pop. She does pop. I think it's like. And I think again, it's easier to root for someone who is like an underdog, you know, Cuz once you and I kind of always said this, like, once you start getting haters, that's when you know you're like that.

[A]

Yes. No, it is so true. It's like I remember Taylor Swift's line. It's like, they want to see you rise, but they do not want to see you reign. No, no, they love the come up, up. And then the minute you're there, they're like, yes. What the are you doing there?

[B]

And obviously Tate is like, massive. She had this sold out arena tour. Like I'm on her tour, like opening for her. So she's this very successful girl. And I think it's just we're both talented, but I think people are like, why is Zara opening for Tate? Well, it's not really about talent. It's about the me being put in front of a crowd where I haven't like, been before. So I think it's just, it's like too easy for people to compare us, even though we are. We're similar, but we're very different. And I don't think that was fun at all for her. We haven't spoke about it much, but I think as a human being, you know, like her being so hardworking and talented and just seeing this fucking random Swedish girl come on her tour and be like, like the, like, you know what I mean? But I did tell her that I was like, I am on your tour. Like, she is incredible. And also being on that tour, I personally have so much respect for the way she works and how hard she works and the fact that everyone was so lovely. And I think that says a lot about the artist because I definitely do think it trickles down. Like, if you have a good boss, boss, she's the boss. She's the one employing all of these hundreds of people. If you have a good head, that makes the whole experience good. And it really was like down to the crew, the dancers, the drivers, like the truck drivers were incredible. And I think it's just a classic, like also a little bit of misogyny or like, it can't be two girls being good, you know, it's so crazy.

[A]

Have you had the ability and you don't need to name names to talk to anyone in the industry about this, like, problem that all of the pop girlies have of just, like, comparison and everyone pitting you guys against each other?

[B]

Not really, because I don't really go out, but, like, in dms and that I think I could definitely. Because this is something that we're all aware of. Of course. We exist in the universe. You know, we see things that everyone else is seeing on their timeline. We're just people with phones at the end of the day. And I think everyone can relate to it somehow. And, you know, who knows? In the future, maybe karma comes back around and I have a really great girl opening for me, and everyone's like, what the fuck? Like, she's, you know, boo, yay, boo. Like, it's just. It's just crazy the way it is. And I think I just know that I. I love all the girls. I really do. And I think. I think most of the people do. I think it's such. It's like a cheap shot of putting someone up by putting someone else down. It's like you can actually just say, wow, that was incredible. You don't have to put someone else down because of it.

[A]

Something I was thinking about with your album is the Girls Girl song.

[B]

It's funny you say that, because I have something to say about that too. On the remakes.

[A]

Do you want to say it now?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay, let's do it. You're like, ann, shut up. I have a statement. Sit back, relax, and enjoy it.

[B]

Girls girl, I'm ready. It's funny because I did take that song and I turned it into what happens when a girl's girl. Like, I want to be a girl's girl, but what happens when a girl's girl wants. Wants the spotlight? Because there's only room for one girl, apparently. So we all have to have this, like, be nice and friendly, which is the reality of it all. And this is, at the end of the day, just a song, but just to like. Okay, but I. It's. It's that weirdness in the industry, but also, like, that's how I choose to. To. To twist it to make it a little different and fun.

[A]

Oh, I like that. It's gonna be really fun because the original is. It's about realizing you have your friend's boyfriend. And you said that this was inspired by real events at the time. What is the story?

[B]

It was inspired. It definitely wasn't, like, the truth. And I Think I just love the song. I love. I love a little story like, let's get messy in the story vlog days. Yes. I used to be so messy as a teenager. I really. I really. And now I'm a granny. But at 16, I just like, ooh, girl. We were celebrating New Year's, and, yeah, one of my best friend's boyfriend, he just, like, he was flirting with me all night, and I was really interested in his friend. So we were at this party, and by the end of the night, you know, I don't know what it's like for you guys, but in Europe at 16, that's like. Like, you've been drinking for about four years at this point.

[A]

Okay, so not so much. Well, it depends in the US where you grow up, but yeah. Yeah, okay.

[B]

So I was like, oh, I was picking on my jacket. Everyone was already downstairs. We were going somewhere else. And, yeah, he just kind of, like, started kissing me, and I just kissed him back because I was messy like that. And I was 16 and really drunk. And like. Like, I. The fucked up thing about this, though, was that the girl who we had had the party at, she filmed this. And I didn't know. So before I got the chance to tell my friend what happened the next day, she had already got the video sent to her. Yeah, so that. That was, like, really messy. But then. But the truth is, I wasn't really, like, like, in love with him or interested in him. It was this weird, unforgivable mistake that happened. But obviously seeing it, it just. She just cut me off, and all my friends just cut me off, and I was just like a floating piece of trash in the universe.

[A]

No. A video.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What was her reaction?

[B]

I don't know, because she didn't speak to me from, like, four years. Like, she cut me off. She meant that. And I had, like, clothes, you know, she had clothes at my place, and my mom was like, I can come and pick it up. And she was like. Her mom was like, no, we can mail it.

[A]

Like, how far did you guys live from each other? Like, 10 minutes? Like, mail it.

[B]

Like, yeah, no.

[A]

When did you guys ever finally talk?

[B]

Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Okay. And now it's okay. And everyone's, like, on. On good terms. And. Yeah, it was one of. It was one of my worst mistakes in life. Like, it truly was at 16. I just. If I could take it back, I. I would so, so, so bad. But I also have to, like, forgive myself for it because, again, this is more than 10 years ago now, and I was just really stupid and messy. And also I found out that I can't drink. Like, I just can't because I always do really like my morals and my, my just sense of self, like, it just goes out the window. And now I just stick to the edibles.

[A]

I was gonna say and then enter edibles. That's when you were like, we're gonna stick to this.

[B]

Yes. Truly.

[A]

How has your idea of girls girl evolved over the years as you've become a woman?

[B]

I think girls girl is what I'm trying now when I'm like a. I feel like I can employ women, you know, I can put like money in their pockets and I can make sure to uplift and amplify like their voices or any again in the studio. Like, I want to write with other women, I want to produce with other women, I want to create with other women. And I, I, you know, just take women very seriously because I think we're so amazing and capable.

[A]

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[B]

I love that.

[A]

Is this an accurate statement?

[B]

I think the older I get, which I do think comes with age a little bit, I think I, because I used to be heavy male centered even if I didn't want to like admit to it. I think even in like having relationships or making sure that I felt like validated and loved by like a man and it, it didn't have to be like people outside of my relationship but even so that was still important to really feel desired by men. I think now maybe it's like you turn 25 and like your brain develop but like hitting status return, like grow, just growing up, just literally your brain develops. I think I, I fall focus so, so, so little on that right now.

[A]

How have you like really managed to decenter men from your life? Can you give the girls listening like a little go to guide?

[B]

Oh no, I only want to impress like the mean 13 year old girls, you know what I mean? Like that's who I want to impress.

[A]

So real. Yeah, they're looking at your outfit.

[B]

They're like, yeah, exactly.

[A]

It's cute. You're like, I'm not gonna be able to sleep today.

[B]

No, I think it's, I, I used to crave that so much. I don't know if it's like a classic, you know my, like my dad but like my dad like knock and I love my dad and my dad loves me but he was away a

[A]

lot like, you know what I mean? Like you're like, we gotta go back to the origin story. It's always the dad, right? What's the relationship with the dad? I wanted my dad's attention, yes. But I wanted other men's attention.

[B]

Exactly, exactly. But I think now also, maybe, I hate to say it, but like in my relationship now, I think he has made me realize that I don't need like outside validation because it has to come from within. And how do you find that within you? Just. Ew. I'm saying corny things on corny things. Like I was gonna say you have to love yourself, but it's the 13

[A]

year old to like.

[B]

Yeah, they're like, yeah, yeah, but it's true. And like how do you love yourself? I think you have to like have a lot of grace for yourself. You have to surround yourself with people who are like uplifting and non judgmental.

[A]

No, it's such a good point. It's like the amount of times and everyone's timeline is going to be different, but the, the amount of time you have to take at some point in your life to realize like you're going to keep getting a zero to nothing result when you're looking for other people's approval and you're looking for people to validate you. And the minute that you are able to source that all within yourself, there's still.

[B]

It will always be there, of course, but it can't be like the source ever present. No.

[A]

Okay, back to your album. I love it because you write about like kind of taboo.

[B]

No, totally.

[A]

Topics?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

How have fans reacted to some of these topics?

[B]

I think they're pretty chill, you know, I think, you know, at the end of the day it's songs. But it is a very relatable thing, I think. And having a little crush on someone when you're in a relationship is like bad, bad, bad. But I've had that and I think it comes down to again like just. It's not even really about that other person that I was interested in and just, it's just about me wanting to feel desired and wanting to feel like, oh, you know, wow, I'm so hot. It wasn't even really about them because I've been reading through our text messages afterwards and I'm like, you're not even funny. Like I'm the funny one. Like, if we look at it with sober eyes now, I'm like, why am I just like, you know what I mean?

[A]

Right? Do you find that in your. In the past? Because I know you're in a relationship of like over five years, which we're gonna get to, but in the past have you found that within yourself where you're like still lightly looking for. To feel desired the minute you're in a Relationship. Does it. Does the spark go?

[B]

No, I think I've always just. It could come from anywhere. It's not really about the relationship again, because, like, right now, and has been from the start, my boyfriend is fantastic. Like, I love him, and I can't. I can't not be honest to him because he also, like, he will just see right through me. And he's so patient and he's so understanding, and I think having some sort of crush, like, we obviously spoke about it, and he could tell, like, immediately, he's like, so, what's going on? You know what I mean? Like, what's up with you?

[A]

How did you handle that?

[B]

You just have to talk about it. It's actually not that. It doesn't have to be dramatic. And then you just say how you feel. And he knows me better almost than I know myself because he also knows that we call actually saying I'm a woman, but this person that craves this validation, we call her the girl. And sometimes the girl pops out and she wants to, like, roam around town, but the girl is kind of gone now.

[A]

Girl is gone because you're a woman now, Zara.

[B]

Yes. Yes.

[A]

Wait, and so your boyfriend was like. He was okay. Like, he was like.

[B]

I wouldn't say okay. I wouldn't say okay, but.

[A]

But you got through it.

[B]

Yeah. Like, it wasn't. It wasn't, like, very dramatic. It was just like, what I'm saying that he wasn't okay. He wasn't like, it's fine by me, baby. But he was just like, let's have an honest conversation, because that's all you can have.

[A]

Have you ever been cheated on?

[B]

Yes. In previous relationships? Like, my first relationship was just. That was so weird. How did you feel? We were together for. From, like, 14 to 18, 19. And we were together for three months. And then he told me, like, I'm sorry I slept with someone at a party. And then our relationship was kind of just like that for the whole of my teenage, teenage years. Very traumatic. Like, we were both just really bad for each other, but we didn't have any sort of reference point to, like, what love is supposed to be and that. Like, teenage, fiery, like, hormones everywhere.

[A]

So crazy that time.

[B]

You're like, I think it's like, passion and really, it's just trash. Like, so bad.

[A]

It's so crazy. At 16, you're like, I'm in love.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This is the love of my life.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yes. I'll ruin everything for this person. No, literally, babe, you're not okay in the head. I went through that same thing where you're like, what was I thinking?

[B]

What was I thinking?

[A]

We. And how. What initially attracted you to. To your boyfriend?

[B]

So we were friends for a really long time before it was like a friends to lovers situation. It was very cute. It was very cute because I've never really had that. I'm a very like, yo, we're fucking on the first date. Like, let's just get it over with. You know what I mean? And I couldn't really do that with him because it. It just gradually. I mean, I've. He. He's always kind of been in my friend group group, like my bigger friend group, and I've always been in a relationship. So when I broke up with my ex, we were just, like, out and about with this big friend group. And then we started having, like, parties at my place. And yeah, just, like, the later it got, the more people dropped off, and like, every day, every week, it would just be like, smaller, smaller circle, and we would just hang out. And then all of a sudden, it was just, like, us there, and we were like. And he was like, oh, no, I missed the last train. I'm like, you can take an Uber. But you know what I mean, who

[A]

made the first move?

[B]

It was so in sync. Like, he obviously was very interested, and he made sure, you know, you just know. You just know. But I've never looked at him in that way until I did. Like, I've never. I was never in the relationship looking at him, thinking, like, he's always been beautiful, but he's very friendly and he's very, like, respectful. So I think when I got out of my relationship and we started hanging out, it was just like, one day, like, wait. Yeah, like, wait a minute. And then he stayed over, and he stayed over for, like, a week, and we just got, like, closer and closer every night. And it's such a cute story because really, we probably would have, like, gone down to business earlier.

[A]

So you're really waiting. You're like, we need to talk.

[B]

I'm like, let's wait. But really, I just needed those, like,

[A]

I need a couple seconds. Yeah. Yeah, I need a second. Oh, my God.

[B]

So it was really cute. It just, like, made it really beautiful. And then when it happened, it's just been us since that day. And. And he's my person. Like, he's my best friend, and we just have such a fun time. And he's so smart, heart. And he gets along really, really well with my friends. My sister loves him, my fam. Like, that's so important to me that my. My especially my sister and like, my friends get along with my man. Because I didn't really have that before where it felt like you fit into my world and the opposite. But I think it's so, so, so important. And now I just know. Like. Like now I feel since the girl is kind of gone, I really do feel like it's just like, that's my person for life. Like, we're locked in. I feel so secure. And even now when I'm traveling, we don't have to speak every day, all the time. Like, that shit's lame. Like, why would you have to. Like, I know you're there and I feel so secure. And he knows I'm here and feels so secure. And I think it's because we've had. Had just always really open and honest conversations. And I think before him, I didn't really have that, even with myself. Like, I would tell him, like, no, it's not that. I actually feel like this. And it's like, but is it really like that? Like, what is it really about? And it's like, let's take it from the start, so. And then. And then we'll talk. And then eventually. Eventually it's like, well, actually, it's not like that.

[A]

That's.

[B]

And they like. It's like, you know, so I think he taught me to be honest with myself, which is actually the hardest part.

[A]

It's so hard because you have to find that person that balances you just right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I feel like also, you guys have gone through a lot. I know you posted on Tick Tock calling out some of the racist comments that people were making towards your boyfriend.

[B]

So he's, like, elevated. He's like. Like, he doesn't even live, like, in his mindset. He's so grounded. But also at the same time, it's like he don't care about anything like that.

[A]

How do you handle that hate, though, towards someone you love online?

[B]

Yeah, I think that's worse because in a way, when it's about me, like, I can kind of handle it. But he. Of course, it's never fun, but I think he just. The way he moves through life, like, he's so. He's a very, like, interesting character. And he just makes me realize too, that even the. Even how many hours a day I spend online, like, at the end of the day, this is real. And, like, he grounds me a lot. And I think I have these really big dreams and aspirations and goals and not that he don't have that. But his dream is to, like, have a family. He's like, my purpose is to be, like, a dad and be the best dad I can be, and to be, like, the best friend I can be, the best partner I can be. And everything else is just, like, cherry on top and, like. But his purpose is not to go look for what I'm looking for for. So we're very different, and I think we balance each other a bit. Like, he grounds me, and, like, I inspire him with, like, goals and dreams because I'm like, what the do you mean? Like, you have to. Like, what do you mean? You don't want to take over the world? And he's like, no, I mean, this. This. This is it. Like, this is life for me. Like, he will, like, live on a farm, you know, like, grow his plants.

[A]

He's gonna keep that super grounded. And you're gonna be like, let's go. Yeah. Wait.

[B]

Helicopter.

[A]

Charge.

[B]

Charging. Like, yeah.

[A]

Who's the funny one in the relationship?

[B]

It's me.

[A]

I was gonna say.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was like, I will never forget when you posted your foot in a condom. Well, your leg actually in a condom. What can. What happened there?

[B]

I don't know. I feel like it wasn't that big of a deal. I feel like I've seen, like, so many people do the same thing, but they. Because it was, like, the Tumblr days, right? And they could only. Only fit, like, kind of the foot. And then that day, we had gone to the youth clinic with, like, my school, as you do. I don't know if you guys do that here.

[A]

No, but I love that.

[B]

I feel like everyone should. More sexual education with the kids. And then we got a bag, like, I'm talking, like, a bag of condoms. And I was like, I'm not gonna use all of this because I do it unprotected. No, I'm kidding. No, but kidding. So I. I had to try it on, and it reached all the way up to my knee, and I was like, that's incredible. Like, that's fantastic. So I had to post a picture saying, like, if you feel. If you say it doesn't fit, I don't know how big it is, but it's not as big as my leg. Like, let's just be honest, dude. It was up to your point, and it just. It really was. And I find that quite impressive. But, yeah. And it just blew up. It just blew up.

[A]

It just was so funny, too, because I was like, oh, my God, has she ever had a guy be like, I Can't do that because, like, I'm too big. And you're just like, yes, you have.

[B]

Actually, no, that's a lie.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But a lot of my girlfriends have had that. Yes. Because I've always been, like, in a relationship, and condom or not, my mom, as soon as I got in a relationship, she was like, I am putting you on birth control. Hello. If you're in a relationship at 15, whatever. Like, you do what you want to do.

[A]

I'm dead.

[B]

So that was.

[A]

Okay. So you're the funny one. You're the funny one.

[B]

I would say so.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

I don't think. Think if. Yeah, he would agree.

[A]

Okay. I know the song Blue Moon is about him. How did you first show that song to him?

[B]

We were actually in Jamaica together writing it, and. Or I was with my writing crew, and he was there, so he was just kind of in the studio.

[A]

Cute.

[B]

As we were writing it.

[A]

Have you written other songs about him?

[B]

Yes. Yeah, I have. It's. It's so fun, honestly, because I don't really write a lot about. I don't know if I. I don't make, like, a conscious decision about not writing specifically, only about, like, romantic love. But I think a lot of my songs are about other things as well, you know, like Crush or Girls Girl, which is about love, but like, in a different perspective. Even Midnight sun, that's like a song about my. My country house. And I was just like, I would need to write a song about what it feels like on a summer's day in the countryside. But the love songs, yeah, he's gotten a few of those, and he'll get some more.

[A]

I feel like, obviously, your album was such a success. It's been such a success. And now we have the deluxe album coming out. What can you tell us about it?

[B]

I'm so excited about this. About this. I'm so excited.

[A]

We are, too.

[B]

It's gonna be a fantastic. Fantastic. I mean, just for me. I'm just like, I can't believe this is happening. Because I've always said I wanted to do collabs with girls, and it's so many girls on this. So many.

[A]

Give us any hints.

[B]

What could be a hint? Did you get that? You got that?

[A]

I got that. We'll zoom in. Don't worry. Perfect. Thank you. Internet, do your thing. Can you tell us about any of the new songs?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, they are just reproduced and, like, reworked. A lot of them are really, like, amazing new songs. It's like a new. New way of listening to the Album and it's really fun. I was super inspired by Charlie xcx how she did her album. And I'm like, wait, that's so fun. Because I always think that there's so many ways, even, like, when producing the original song that gets to be put out to the world, usually there's just so many versions of it before that never really gets to see the light of day or there's so many, many. There's so many ways you can take a production where, like, I don't know, like, it's just so fun to give it another life. And I'm so. I'm just so excited. Like, some of these people on it, I just can't believe it. That's really where I felt like, wow, like, I'm a star. Like, I'm like, wow, you wanted to be on my song. Song. It's really incredible.

[A]

I'm so happy for you. Can you share? What do you think is your favorite?

[B]

One of my favorites is blue moon. It's so nice. It's so nice.

[A]

I'm so excited for you and so happy for you. And just like, getting to know you today was so lovely. I feel like we had such. I feel like I've gotten to know you from. Yes. That young girl that was hungry and wanted it. But then really, I feel like this was about the evolution of you as a woman and coming into your own. And yes, you've popped off and so many people are talking about you now. But, like, you've been working at this and it's so well deserved. And you've put the work in, you've put the time in. And it seems in a beautiful way like you're still being so true to yourself. And that, to me, is what is going to, like, make you continue to stand out to people. Because it feels really awkward.

[B]

It's the only way that could work in a way, like, it's just what is just what has to be it.

[A]

It has to be it. And it is. And that's what it is. And so I'm so excited for everyone to listen to this deluxe album. I'm so happy that we finally got to meet.

[B]

Me too. This is really big for me. Like, this is like, a really big deal for me.

[A]

Well, I'm so.

[B]

Thank you for having me.

[A]

I am so happy we did this.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

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