Zayn: Being Single is Freeing

Summary

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Call Her Daddy – "Zayn: Being Single is Freeing" (Feb. 11, 2026)

Podcast: Call Her Daddy
Host: Alex Cooper
Guest: Zayn Malik
Theme: Candid conversation with Zayn on dad life, personal growth, dating, masculinity, and his new music.

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Alex Cooper sits down with Zayn Malik in Las Vegas, marking their first in-person conversation since a memorable interview at her parents’ house in Pennsylvania three years prior. The discussion moves from Zayn’s family and rural living to creativity, masculinity, mental health, parenthood, and the creative process behind his new album Konakole. Zayn opens up about being single, parenting his daughter Kai, the freedom he finds in solitude, and the lessons learned from past relationships.

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Key Discussion Points & Timestamps

1. Catching Up: From Pennsylvania to Vegas

[01:20–03:51]

• Zayn describes life as a dad, recording his new album after his "Stairway to the Sky" tour, and transitioning from small-town Pennsylvania to his current Las Vegas residency.
• Reflects on previous interview at Alex's parents’ house, being recognized by local kids, and why he loves Pennsylvania’s quiet life.

“Everyone thinks it's so weird that I live there. Everyone's always like, yo, you're such a weirdo. Why do you live in PA? But I just love it there.” – Zayn [02:41]

2. Vegas Living & Personality Offstage

[03:21–04:09]

• Zayn talks about avoiding the Las Vegas strip and casinos, preferring a low-key lifestyle.
• Shares that he bets on fights occasionally but avoids flashy gambling.

“When I'm not working, I just want to go home and relax.” – Zayn [03:47]

3. Home Life in Pennsylvania: Neighbors, Animals & Hobbies

[07:15–13:09]

• Zayn enjoys the calmness, rarely leaves home, and describes friendly interactions with neighbors.
• Talks about his “farm”—turtles, chickens, cats, dogs—and the Internet’s obsession with his animals.
• Describes his foray into gardening and woodworking, including making hand-carved wooden gifts for his daughter Kai.

“That's why I like the space. Cause I can put the music as loud as I want and I'm not really disturbing anybody.” – Zayn [08:51]

4. On Simplicity & Authenticity

[13:45–17:39]

• Discusses the joy of being a beginner in new hobbies and growing through learning.
• Is open about his perfectionist streak but says he doesn’t aim to meet others’ expectations—only his own.

“I'm not doing things for other people's approval. You can't keep everybody happy… it's more important to like yourself.” – Zayn [17:25]

5. Masculinity, Vulnerability, and Fatherhood

[18:24–20:47]

• Zayn considers himself to have an unconventional, non-toxic relationship with masculinity, noting cultural progress over the last decade.
• Talks about the influence of being raised by women and becoming a father, which amplified his empathy and respect for women.

“I don't think, you know, 10 years ago, people, dudes are really out here being like, yo, I like cooking, you know, in my spare time, or I cry at Bluey...” – Zayn [19:03]

“Any woman I am having an interaction with...is somebody’s daughter or sister, you know, and just makes you approach that with a little bit more respect.” – Zayn [20:32]

6. Kai, Parenting & Breaking Cycles

[20:48–27:23]

• Shares hopes for his daughter Kai’s happiness, her dreams of being a K-pop star, and “overcompensating” with luxuries (e.g., $500 from the Tooth Fairy).
• Admits he expected to be a strict dad, but is a “complete pushover.”
• Reflects on providing a secure upbringing very different from his own.

“She looks at me a type of way and I just...melt a little bit and then just give it to her.” – Zayn [27:01]

7. On Being a Single Father & Reconnecting to His Inner Child

[27:23–28:47]

• Kai helps Zayn reconnect with his playful side through art, cartoons, and play.
• The only hard line? No glitter in the house.

“No glitter, though. Glitter's not allowed in my house.” – Zayn [28:11]

8. Becoming a Parent & The Transition to Adulthood

[31:21–32:47]

• Zayn describes being 27 and scared but excited to become a dad, thinking it would dramatically change him overnight.

“You take it a day at a time, and she's such an amazing human being that I just feel honored...to just be her dad and be around her.” – Zayn [32:23]

9. Dating as a Single, Private Dad

[33:14–39:37]

• Zayn is not currently dating, prefers privacy, and finds dating apps don't work for celebrities.
• Says he'd have to be very serious to introduce someone to Kai.
• Relishes single life, calling it “freeing,” not lonely, and says he’s finally comfortable being alone.

“It was freeing. I am that type of person who...runs on my own clock, answers to myself. So it was so freeing to me.” – Zayn [38:26]

10. Self-Development, Past Relationships, & Social Media

[39:59–49:06]

• Avoids seeking validation from others or social media—doesn’t have it on his phone.
• Talks about learning from past relationships and refusing to be “put on a play date” with other famous people for the sake of image.
• Notes the emptiness of social media validation.

“If it's not true, I don't give a shit...If I were going to sit there and go through all those things, I won't have any time in my day to do anything else.” – Zayn [48:22]

11. Solo Touring & Artistic Evolution

[49:06–52:17]

• Discusses the shift from performing with One Direction to solo shows—the adjustment from group dynamics to center stage.
• Admits he’s not a dancer; fans can expect strong vocals and honesty.

“Hopefully some decent vocals, not too much movement. Me just kind of stood center stage.” – Zayn [52:23]

12. New Album 'Konakole': Creative Process & Heritage

[53:21–61:36]

• Zayn details the making of Konakole, heavily influenced by Indian musical traditions and percussive vocal techniques.
• Explains using his voice for drum sounds; names “Used to the Blues,” “Side Effects,” and “Sideways” as standouts.
• Talks about vulnerability—admitting his own shortcomings in "Side Effects"—and balancing privacy with authenticity in songwriting.

“The new album Konakole is the derivative of a lot of inspiration from…my Indian heritage and culture...Conoco...is the act of creating percussive sounds with your voice.” – Zayn [53:29]

13. Personal Growth & Legacy

[61:36–63:29]

• Zayn expresses deep gratitude for fans still caring five albums into his solo career.
• Looks back at his journey from a 17-year-old auditioning for X-Factor, and what he’d tell his younger self.

“I wish I could go back to that 17-year-old version of me and say, well done, for being that brave...” – Zayn [63:09]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Simplicity:
  “I like my own thoughts. I like to do things myself, and I like to be in my own company. I'm not codependent like that at all.” – Zayn [37:58]

• On Self-acceptance:
  “At the end of the day, I think it's more important to like yourself.” – Zayn [17:39]

• On His Daughter, Kai:
  “Honestly, I just hope that she gets to do in life whatever she wishes to do and she's happy.” – Zayn [20:53]

• On His New Music:
  “I made a lot of the production out of my own voice...I’m singing like layers and layers of different vocals to make the beat.” – Zayn [54:34]

• On Love & Growth:
  “I have so much respect for this woman, and I do love her a crazy amount. But...I don’t think I was in love with her at that point. Otherwise I would have been a better version of myself.” – Zayn on his relationship with Gigi Hadid [44:39]

• On Anxiety & Mindfulness:
  “One thing I’ve learned since becoming a father is that it’s good to overcome them feelings...I'm a bit of a hypocrite if I'm not doing that myself.” – Zayn [45:18]

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Episode Highlights with Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamp | |-------------------------------------------------|------------| | Welcome Back: PA memories & Vegas energy | 01:20–03:51| | Zayn’s animal “farm,” gardening, woodworking | 07:15–13:09| | Conversation on masculinity and vulnerability | 18:24–20:47| | Parenting style & Kai’s influence | 25:08–27:23| | Zayn on being single and self-sufficiency | 37:58–39:37| | Social media, privacy, and public image | 48:10–49:06| | Artistic evolution & the making of Konakole | 53:21–61:36| | Looking back at teenage Zayn | 62:08–63:29|

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The Original Tone

The conversation is relaxed, humorous, and down-to-earth, with a strong sense of mutual respect and comfort between Zayn and Alex. Zayn is candid, self-reflective, and frank—taking pride in his quiet life and personal growth, but also poking fun at himself, sharing stories with warmth, and dropping gems about authenticity.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode offers an intimate, insightful portrait of Zayn Malik as both a solo artist and a single dad, at home on the farm or on stage in Vegas. The conversation is rich with advice, heartfelt stories, and unvarnished truths about fame, love, masculinity, and the freedom found in being true to yourself.

If you want a window into Zayn’s current mind—his creative process, philosophy on parenthood, comfort with solitude, and desire to evolve—this is an unmissable listen.

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Next Steps:
Listen to the full episode for more stories and Zayn’s new single, "Die For Me" [66:28].
Follow @callherdaddy for updates and future episodes.

Transcript

[Alex Cooper]

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Zayn. Welcome back to Call Her Daddy. I can't believe I was thinking about this morning. I'm like. It has been, I think, almost three years since I last saw you.

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah, it's good to see you.

[Alex Cooper]

How have you been?

[Zayn Malik]

I've been good, yeah. Just being a dad when I'm not working. Aside from that. Yeah, we've. We've done another album. Conor Cole got it together, like, pretty much after I did the Stairway to the sky tour. Felt the vibe, you know, on stage and stuff, seeing what people were, like, responding to, and then got home back to PA and was, like, super inspired to, like, make another record. I think I did it in, like, two weeks.

[Alex Cooper]

I love that you're like, I'm a dad. And then, like, when I'm not working, I'm like, override casual. Like, you're on stage performing, and then you're just, like, back in Pennsylvania in your, like, little.

[Zayn Malik]

It's a bit of a contrast.

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah.

Just.

Just a little bit slight one. To anyone who isn't familiar or doesn't remember the first episode that we ever recorded. Together was in my parents house in Pennsylvania, which is still a little bit of a mind fuck to me, that we were. I remember when you left, there were kids in the cul de sac being like, crashing into the tree, being like, is that Zayn?

[Zayn Malik]

Did people see me? Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

Yes.

There was like little kids in the cul de sac being like, wait, that's not.

[Zayn Malik]

I didn't notice any kids.

[Alex Cooper]

Well, because no one in Pennsylvania ever gets like a star studded moment. So the fact that you're just casually.

[Zayn Malik]

Leaving, that's why everyone thinks it's so weird that I live there. Everyone's always like, yo, you're such a weirdo. Why do you live in Pierre? But I just love it there.

[Alex Cooper]

I love it.

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

And now we're in Vegas because you have a residency here. So like from like Pennsylvania cul de sac to Vegas, like, the vibes are just like a little different today. Just a little. I was thinking about it in that first interview. That was your first time really talking in almost seven years. So we kind of went through everything. We talked about your rise to fame, we talked about you walking away from One Direction. We talked about your early relationships. We went to almost everything. So today I think we just hang out and catch up and have a little bit of fun. How long have you been in Vegas?

[Zayn Malik]

Been here coming up to two weeks now. So. Yeah, not too long.

[Alex Cooper]

What have you been doing? Have you gone to the Strip?

[Zayn Malik]

No, I've been to the Strip.

[Alex Cooper]

Could you even go?

[Zayn Malik]

I probably could. Like, I don't really go out with security and stuff. I kind of just like, keep it low key. It's me and like a couple people from the team or whatever. So I think it like attracts less attention that way. So yeah, I probably could go out. I just. It's not really my vibe these days. I'm getting a bit old. Like when I'm not working, I just want to go home and relax.

[Alex Cooper]

How old are you again?

[Zayn Malik]

33.

[Alex Cooper]

He's like, I am such an old man. Every 33 year old, I feel like an old man. Everyone's like, keep that energy to yourself. Saying, you're not old, you're young. Wait, have you gone to the casinos?

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah, we had a little look because obviously they had like the tables with my face on them and stuff. So we went to go check that out.

[Alex Cooper]

That was fun.

[Zayn Malik]

But I'm not really a gambler either. It's not really my thing.

[Alex Cooper]

Did you lose any money?

[Zayn Malik]

Never really lost a big. Yeah. Amount of money in my life. Like, I I bet on fights and stuff, like UFC fights, boxing fights here and there. If I know somebody's going to win.

[Alex Cooper]

How much?

[Zayn Malik]

I've won some decent money. I don't dare to disclose, but I've won some decent money. Anthony Joshua won me some money.

[Alex Cooper]

So you're doing well for yourself in the betting, aren't you?

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Okay, last interview. I obviously in my parents house, I have sad news. They sold that house.

[Zayn Malik]

Really?

[Alex Cooper]

So I'm not like privy to the information of like what is going on in Pennsylvania these days. Like are you like, do you have any hot gossip for me?

[Zayn Malik]

Like what's going on in Pennsylvania? Not much to be honest. That's why I live there. It's real quiet, calm out there. You know what I mean? There's not much going on. I don't really leave my gaff. I'll be honest with you. I kind of just stay there.

[Alex Cooper]

Do you have neighbors?

[Zayn Malik]

I do have neighbours, yeah. But they're quite far away.

[Alex Cooper]

Have you ever interacted with them?

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah, I have, yeah, we got some. I got a new neighbor next door neighbor. We were in like maybe I want to say about five, six months ago now, so sent them cookies and you know, welcome to the neighborhood.

[Alex Cooper]

You sent them cookies? Yeah.

[Zayn Malik]

Did you make them?

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah, with a couple.

[Zayn Malik]

No, no, I sent them next door. But they sent their number back like. And like said if you ever need anything, if you want us to watch the house or whatever, we've got you. Yeah, it's nice.

[Alex Cooper]

What do you think they think of you?

[Zayn Malik]

I'm not sure. You know, I did have something quite funny happen recently. I was working at the house. I was filming something for Borderlands for the video game. We did the song and we had like a whole thing going on in the field, like smoke grenades and crazy shit. And somebody complained. I was like, zane doesn't own Pierre. I was like, I'm aware I don't own Pierre.

[Alex Cooper]

But they're like, hey, what's going on in the backyard?

[Zayn Malik]

I thought I was having like a crazy festival in the back garden, but I actually was just working.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay, so you were causing like a little bit of a ruckus, but for the most part you're usually dead silent.

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah, pretty much, yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

So you're like, give me a break. I'm not throwing parties, just like throwing grenades.

[Zayn Malik]

That's why I like the space. Cause I can put the music as loud as I want and I'm not really disturbing anybody.

[Alex Cooper]

You know, something that went so viral from our last episode together, which I thought was so wild, was you talking about your animals? The Internet lost their minds. Okay. We talked about your cats, your dogs, your turtles, your chickens. Who do we have now? How are the animals doing?

[Zayn Malik]

They're all pretty much the same. Yeah. I've got turtles, chickens, dogs, cats. I lost one of my cats, actually, recently.

[Alex Cooper]

Which one?

[Zayn Malik]

One of my sphinxes. Yeah, it was kind of sad.

[Alex Cooper]

I'm so sorry. You said that for the chickens. You also kind of stopped naming them at one point because it was too traumatizing when you would lose them if.

[Zayn Malik]

Something happens to them. Yeah, something. So now they're just called the girls. That's it.

[Alex Cooper]

So you're not naming them anymore?

[Zayn Malik]

No, no name.

[Alex Cooper]

So when you see your chickens in the morning, you're just greeting them as.

[Zayn Malik]

Like, what's going on? Girls. They're collective now.

[Alex Cooper]

Hey, girls, I'm trying to think of your fashion sense, right? You're kind of known as like, you got some swag going on when you're on the farm.

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

What are you wearing? Like, are you in overalls?

[Zayn Malik]

Sometimes, Actually, yeah. Sometimes do wear overalls. I fully lean into the farm thing. But yeah, not just relaxed, casual stuff, you know, jeans, T shirt, checkered shirt from time to time.

[Alex Cooper]

He is so Pennsylvania, it's crazy. You're wearing full flannels.

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah, it helps you blend in. Wawas.

[Alex Cooper]

Oh my God, I forgot we talked about Wawa last time and I was like, honestly, you're a real one. That you actually go there. Do you leave your house a lot and like go around in Pennsylvania? Like, are you shopping?

[Zayn Malik]

I'm not gonna be a dick. I'm not gonna L, door dash and Uber eats quite, quite a lot. Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

You're like, I've never. You don't Even know what McAffrey's is, do you? It's a grocery store. Z.

[Zayn Malik]

No, I don't know what McCaffrey says.

[Alex Cooper]

So you just give me Wawa. Cuz you're like, I know that's a Pennsylvania staple, but like, I've probably never even been.

[Zayn Malik]

No, I've been to Wawa. I've been in there a few times. Yeah. But I prefer to order from there cuz usually when I'm getting food from there, it's like three in the morning.

[Alex Cooper]

So let's talk about gardening. Yeah, I heard you've been up to gardening lately, which I feel like you weren't doing when I first met you. What are you growing over there in your overalls?

[Zayn Malik]

I actually have been growing stuff for a minute since I moved out to be here. Maybe about A year after I was living out there, I just realized there's so much land, like, you can just mess around in. In the modern shit. So, yeah, I grow all kinds of different stuff. Melons, tomatoes, carrots, onions, eggplant, pumpkin, cucumber, all kinds of chilies. Like chili plants grow really well there, too. Yeah, all kinds of stuff. Jalapenos, bullet chilies.

[Alex Cooper]

And then. Are you taking these and then you're cooking?

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah, take them. I freeze a lot of the chilies because you can't use them all at once, you know, unless you want to die. But yeah, we freeze a lot of stuff and keep it.

[Alex Cooper]

I have been wanting to do that. Like, I probably will never do it, but I'm like, in a dream world. I'm like, I should be gardening. But, like, what has. What's the plant that's really frustrated you the most?

[Zayn Malik]

Frustrated me? Probably either cucumber or pumpkin.

[Alex Cooper]

Why?

[Zayn Malik]

Because it's, like a aggressive plant. Like, it. It's invasive, I think is the term they use for it. And it just overtakes everything else because it's got vines and they kind of have a mind of their own, and they just strangle your other plants and suffocate them for the light.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay, good to know. So, like, I shouldn't even try with.

[Zayn Malik]

Don't put tomatoes or cucumbers near anything. They have to be by themselves.

[Alex Cooper]

I'm going to need to get a list from you. Like, if you're going to put these in this area that. Okay, so you're pretty, like, expert at this point.

[Zayn Malik]

I won't say expert. I'm all right. But yeah, is you about to ask me some questions about it?

[Alex Cooper]

Maybe off camera, I'm like, okay, for an idiot like me, what's the first thing that's the easiest to grow?

[Zayn Malik]

Probably some simple like onions or carrots. They tend to grow quite well. It don't really matter what the climate's like either.

[Alex Cooper]

See, these are the important things we need, Zane. Like, I know this is call her daddy, but, like, you've got a brain of your own over there that. I feel like you're like, have a lot of weird wisdom. And this is what I'm trying to soak up. Okay, let's talk about woodworking. I heard from a little birdie that that's also a new hobby of yours. What are you doing?

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah, I like to carve things out of wood. Yeah. Like small pieces of wood. Not like big projects or anything, but, like small blocks of wood. And I like, carved, like, birds out of them and stuff.

[Alex Cooper]

A bear.

[Zayn Malik]

I can do bird. Now, hold on.

[Alex Cooper]

So walk me through that. You've got a knife or how do you do it?

[Zayn Malik]

It's a carving knife. You can get, like, sets that are specifically made for that. Like, for soft wood. Yeah. And I just watch, like, random YouTube videos of people doing it and then just copy them.

[Alex Cooper]

Are you just, like, hoarding all of this stuff or are you giving it away as gifts?

[Zayn Malik]

I was actually at one point thinking it'd be really sick to, like, give them to people as Christmas presents or whatever, because it takes a lot of time and it's thought and effort. But the only ones I've done so far are Kai hats. Like, I did them for Kai, and she keeps them on a shelf.

[Alex Cooper]

Cute.

Have you given her a bird or a bear?

[Zayn Malik]

She's got, like, four bears. Because, like, practice, you know.

[Alex Cooper]

The first one's, like, so bad.

[Zayn Malik]

Shit, it just got better. Yeah, that's really cute. And, yeah, bird. She's got, like, a little bird.

[Alex Cooper]

I'm interested to know, like, I feel like a first date a lot of people. That's a classic question. Someone would be like, tell me about your hobbies. Like, what's a hobby of yours? It's like a classic question. What do you think would be one of the most attractive hobbies someone could have? Because you obviously are a man of quite interesting hobbies.

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah, the most attractive hobby that I think somebody could have is probably reading, because you get information from that. You know, it gives you some stimulus for conversation.

[Alex Cooper]

You want an intellectual woman.

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

Maybe someday you're like, alex, stop it. Wait, so would you ever, like, start a little book club with someone?

[Zayn Malik]

A book club? Yeah, maybe. Yeah, when I get a bit older. Yeah, that'd be kind of cute.

[Alex Cooper]

Wait, why do I feel like in Pennsylvania, I'm gonna see you in the next three years, and you're gonna be like, alex, that idea sparked something. And I have a full Pennsylvania book club, and it's going to be just you and alone.

[Zayn Malik]

And I've actually made some friends in PA now. Thank you.

[Alex Cooper]

Alex, I love how you think that, like, people wouldn't want to be your friend in PA like, everyone wants to be. You just have to leave your house. But a book club is an easy way. Maybe you start with the old couple that lives next to you. Yeah, let me know.

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah, let me know if you get into it.

[Alex Cooper]

I'll let you know when you start something new. Obviously, there's, like, a bit of a learning curve, and I think you're Someone who is so successful and you're obviously a very talented person, but how does it make you feel when you maybe are kind of at a beginner's level with things that you're taking on and it takes time to get good at something? Do you like that?

[Zayn Malik]

That's. Yeah. Why get into so many weird, random things? I enjoy that feeling. I enjoyed the, the beginning stage of not being good at something and then seeing the progression, you know, like over the years, putting that time in, even when I was a little kid, in a weird way, like when I was like eight, nine, that was what it was that enticed me about wanting to do music. I wasn't great. You know, you don't just come out and, you know, you're amazing at things. I was really rubbish, you know, I couldn't sing at all. Like, I had to work hard and practice.

[Alex Cooper]

And you actually think you couldn't sing at all?

[Zayn Malik]

Oh, shit, man. Well, eight, nine year old me. Yeah. Terrible. Yeah. I won't put that kid on stage.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay. But terrible. By your standard or if a video came out of you at 8, like.

[Zayn Malik]

They might think it's cute, you know, like I was quite, I was quite cute. But it's definitely not good. Yeah. Talent level has definitely increased.

[Alex Cooper]

I'd like to say the pitch wasn't there.

[Zayn Malik]

No.

[Alex Cooper]

What is your relationship to perfectionism?

[Zayn Malik]

Again, closely related to the previous question. You know, I enjoyed this idea of, of striving for perfection. I'm also very aware that it doesn't exist. So I just drive myself a little bit insane with it. But I feel like it's healthy because it pushes you further, you know, pushes the boundaries, makes you get better.

[Alex Cooper]

You said in an interview that you like leaning into simple things where there's no infiltration from other people's expectations. How much pressure do you put on yourself to live up to other people's standards?

[Zayn Malik]

None. Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

Have you always been like that?

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah. I really don't give a shit. Yeah. That's why I kind of like stick to myself, just keep to myself. I'm not doing things for other people's approval. You can't keep everybody happy, you know, it's not really a thing that you can achieve. Some people are going to like you, some people are not. At the end of the day, I think it's more important to like yourself.

[Alex Cooper]

That's a really incredible quality to have because I think, I mean, I've sat down with a lot of people and I feel like a lot of people would say I've Gotten to that point, but I haven't always been that way. And to hear that you have, like, how do you think you've always just been kind of secure and comfortable with yourself? Like, what do you attribute that to?

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah, I don't even know if it's so much. I would say I am secure and comfortable with myself. I strive for that, you know, and that's the most important thing for me, like, if I'm cool with myself and. Yeah, like, I guess you do that by just, you know, living in your truth, like, and not really caring, you know, about impressing other people. I don't know where it comes from. I just. Yeah, it's just never been a thing.

[Alex Cooper]

It's really incredible to hear you talk like that, though. I feel like as someone who's so public and you've been obviously in music for so long, I'm curious to know what your. And how you would describe your relationship to masculinity.

[Zayn Malik]

I think my relationship with masculinity is unconventional in a way. I'm very aware of what toxic masculinity is, and I tried to stay away from that. And I like to do things that, you know, people wouldn't necessarily think that I would do.

[Alex Cooper]

You know, give me some examples, like.

[Zayn Malik]

In, you know, in a. In a cultural sense. I feel like in the last, like, 10, 15 years, things have changed, you know, like, what's appropriate for guys to do and what's appropriate for females to do cooking. You know, things like that. I don't think, you know, 10 years ago, people, dudes are really out here being like, yo, I like cooking, you know, in my spare time, or I cry Bluey or, you know, whatever. Like, just being honest, you know what I mean? With the things, like, you don't have to always be the cool, macho dude, you know, I guess that's my relationship with masculinity. I feel like there's much more strength in vulnerability and honesty. Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

Are you sitting there crying at Bluey? And Kai is like, dad, what are you doing Occasionally?

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah, she. She's always a little bit embarrassed with me. Only my emotional feels as a parent, that's actually amazing.

[Alex Cooper]

Like, I can picture the visual. And you're like, oh, sorry. Yeah, didn't mean that. How do you think having a daughter has impacted the way that you think about how society and men treat women?

[Zayn Malik]

That's a very interesting question. For me personally, I feel like I've always thought about that anyway, because I have three sisters and five aunties, and it's a Big, you know, female family. So I've been forced to hear nothing but female opinions for a very long time. The, you know, me having a child, becoming a father has definitely amplified it further and I guess just made me be more consciously aware that, you know, any woman I am having an interaction with or speaking to her is somebody's daughter or sister, you know, and just makes you approach that with a little bit more respect, I guess.

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah.

As a dad, what is your biggest wish for Kai?

[Zayn Malik]

Honestly, I just hope that she gets to do in life whatever she wishes to do and she's happy. Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

I remember last time we talked, you were saying how she was. You would sing to her and, like, she was enjoying that. Like, what currently does she want to be when she grows up?

[Zayn Malik]

She definitely wants to be a K pop star, so, yeah, she's. She's big into K pop.

[Alex Cooper]

Oh, my God. How do you feel about that?

[Zayn Malik]

I'd like to keep her away from it, you know, but at the end of the day, if she's happy, like I said, you know, I'll support.

[Alex Cooper]

Can you imagine you being like, no, you can't be in a girl group. And then she's like, really, dad, you're a hypocrite.

[Zayn Malik]

And you're like, yeah, I won't be able to say that. Yeah. So I'm just gonna have to support her. But me personally, yeah, I would like to keep her away from some of the headache that this job entails.

[Alex Cooper]

You know, keep her in the Pennsylvania world.

[Zayn Malik]

That's it. Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

Keep her on the farm and the.

[Zayn Malik]

Chickens and the animals and chicks.

[Alex Cooper]

Keep her with the girls. Okay. Last time we also talked, you said that you took Kai to the Nickelodeon theme park and you guys had the best time. What is another fun or special thing that you've gotten to do with her since then?

[Zayn Malik]

We've done quite a bit since then. I took her to Monster Jam not long ago.

[Alex Cooper]

What is that?

[Zayn Malik]

The Monster Truck show, which I was convinced that they were going to be, like, slamming into each other 100 miles an hour. They don't do that. They just kind of like, do, like, bounces around on the sand for like an hour and a half. So a little bit anticlimactic for me, but Kai enjoyed it. And then I think we went to go see blackpink Live. Took her there.

[Alex Cooper]

How good? So good. I just saw them in Japan and it was amazing. It was so fun. They're really good. Wait, so did you suggest the Monster Jam thing or did she?

[Zayn Malik]

She actually suggested it. I think Somebody in school told her about it and she was like, dad, we should go here. And I think she knew I was going to kind of like it too. So she's like, I'll take my dad somewhere where he'll enjoy it. Yeah, it was fun. She was right.

[Alex Cooper]

We had talked about. And you had shared with me about growing up with financial instability and insecur. What does it mean to you to be able to provide so much for your daughter without that level of stress?

[Zayn Malik]

I'm so glad you asked me that question. It's everything, even to the degree that, like, you know, I'm raising her in an environment that, you know, isn't the same as everybody's. You know, her dad is a pop star, her mom is a model, and certain things that she does in life might not, you know, always reflect what other people's understanding of reality is, you know? So I think I gave her a bit too much money from the tooth fairy.

[Alex Cooper]

How much are we talking?

[Zayn Malik]

500 quid. Zane, it's her first tooth.

[Alex Cooper]

Hold on.

[Zayn Malik]

And her mom gave me shit about it. And I was like, at the end of the day, like, I work my ass off and, like, I should be able to give my kid what. What I want to give her, you know?

[Alex Cooper]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. I may have to agree with her mom on this. Hold on. Yeah, a lot of people do $500 for one tooth.

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah, it's her first tooth, though.

[Alex Cooper]

But then what's gonna happen with the second one?

[Zayn Malik]

She gets five. Yeah, that's it. The first two. I'm gonna keep that one and frame it.

[Alex Cooper]

She's gonna be like, dad, what is this shit? It's like a $1 bill.

[Zayn Malik]

You're like, yeah, that's it too. Faced. Gone broke. Now, should I give you. Not giving you anything else.

[Alex Cooper]

Oh, my God, $500 is so crazy. But also every person is so jealous right now being like, wow, she's my first kid. I know.

[Zayn Malik]

Give me a break. Somebody, please.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay. I do give you a break.

[Zayn Malik]

Not you. I'm just saying people in general, like, obviously look at a certain type of way, but look, at the end of the day, I was lucky if I got anything from my teeth, you know? And I've worked really hard for everything I've earned, so I don't feel like I should have to answer for them.

[Alex Cooper]

Things, you know, I think it's a great point, and I think I obviously don't have kids yet, but I think a lot of becoming a parent is trying to right the wrongs of things that you wish.

[Zayn Malik]

And there's definitely that too.

[Alex Cooper]

You know what I mean?

[Zayn Malik]

That, like, feeling of, you know, I didn't get to do this, so I want you to be able to feel this. And I overcompensate a little bit too much sometimes for that. Yeah, for sure. I'll hold my hands up.

[Alex Cooper]

Well, it's also coming from such a genuinely good place, like you saying, like, I'm so excited that I'm able to.

[Zayn Malik]

Give this to her to do it for her.

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah, no one ever did that for me. You said she's obviously like, here only kid. Like, would you want more kids ever?

[Zayn Malik]

I do, yeah. It's not something of like, I'm like, actively trying to pursue, but yeah, for sure. I would like more kids. Obviously Kai would have to approve too, because she. She's got the. The highest opinion, you know, but yeah, never say never.

[Alex Cooper]

I love that too. She'd be the full head honcho. Like, she's the oldest. Would you want big or smaller? Like, would you want a lot of kids?

[Zayn Malik]

Like a big family?

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah.

[Zayn Malik]

Oh, yeah, definitely. I come from a big family. I seen some in. In the stand up show the other day, and this guy was talking on stage and he was like, you know, when I used to watch Full House, like, as a kid, if that was any other ethnicity family, it would just be called House, not Full House. And I was like, it's so true. Because, like, we had like 15 people in the house all day every day, you know, so, yeah, it's something I'm used to. I'm enjoying the, you know, the peace and quiet of it just being me and Kai. But eventually, yeah, like, I'd like to lean into that. Yeah. Maybe I'd say like, maybe four. No more than four.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay. No more.

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

And then you get four and you're like, okay, one more maybe.

[Zayn Malik]

We'll see.

[Alex Cooper]

We'll see.

[Zayn Malik]

I guess I'd have to find a partner first.

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah.

Wait.

Shit. We'll get there. We'll get there. We'll talk about D. I have to.

[Zayn Malik]

Ask her as well. You know, it's not really on me.

[Alex Cooper]

You're like, we can pretend all day, Alex, but it's really up to the woman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How do you think, though, your upbringing has also influenced your parenting style now?

[Zayn Malik]

I thought my upbringing was gonna influence my parenting style in a way that I would be super strict and like, you know, regimented with everything. And it's a complete opposite. Like, I do not care to admit that I'm a Complete pushover when it comes to my daughter. She looks at me a type of way and I just kind of just like melt a little bit and then just give it to her.

[Alex Cooper]

Like, what is an example she gets.

[Zayn Malik]

Away with whenever she wants, like a candy or something that she's not meant to be having, or it's a bit late and she don't want to go to sleep. She's like, can I watch one more cartoon? And I'm like, yeah, you can't. Yeah, yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

I love that. For Kai, you told me that spending time with your daughter has helped you reconnect with your own inner child. What has that looked like for you over the years?

[Zayn Malik]

My own inner child has always been pretty loud and prominent in my personalities. I think it's the reason I'm a creative. I like painting and, you know, doing things that might. Might be more appealing to, you know, people of a younger age. But since doing it with her, she's just kind of brought a lot of things back for me, like how much I enjoy doing them things, you know, during the day, watching cartoons, things like that. Like watching films and just enjoying kitty stuff with her, you know, messing around with play doh and sand and all. All the messy.

[Alex Cooper]

All the good stuff.

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah. No glitter, though. Glitter's not allowed in my house.

[Alex Cooper]

Why?

[Zayn Malik]

Because I hate it. I hate.

[Alex Cooper]

So she came to you and said.

[Zayn Malik]

Dad, she's not allowed. She knows. She won't even ask me. She knows she'll be hiding little vials of glitter to put on her artwork.

[Alex Cooper]

What bad experience did you have with glitter?

[Zayn Malik]

Glitter goes everywhere. It gets on everything stuck on your face and your eyes and your nose.

[Alex Cooper]

So that's where you will not be a pusher.

[Zayn Malik]

That's where I draw the line.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay, good to know. It's glitter.

[Zayn Malik]

Glitter.

[Alex Cooper]

Zayn's line is glitter for his daughter. Got it.

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You became a dad at 27 years old. That's pretty young.

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

When you look back, what do you remember feeling like? Were you scared at all? Were you nervous?

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah, definitely. I was very nervous. Yeah. It's something I'd always really like, looked forward to. And I remember my parents even saying to me, my father used to say to me, oh, when you have a kid yourself, that's when you're going to grow up. So it was always like this hinge point in my mind where I was like, oh, when I get there, this will happen, you know? So I was kind of just expecting a lot of things to happen that didn't and kind of, you know, over emptying or preempting what, you know, was gonna be the situation and just putting, you know, 80 years of pressure over a lifespan on myself in five minutes, finding out that my girlfriend's pregnant. You know what I mean? So it was a lot, but in reality, it's been completely different. You know, you take it a day at a time, and she's such an amazing human being that I just feel honored, really, without sounding too cheesy, to just be her dad and be around her. Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

Isn't that so weird, though? Like, when you grow up, you have these ideas of adults and then you become an adult and you're like, wait, being an adult is kind of like you're not actually an adult.

[Zayn Malik]

Nobody has a fucking clue what they're doing. No one ever did. Everyone was just lying to me.

[Alex Cooper]

It's so crazy. We look at our parents and we're like, oh, my God, like, you're so old.

[Zayn Malik]

I'm like, all figured out. You know, everything. But, yeah, they don't know anything either.

[Alex Cooper]

They don't know anything.

[Zayn Malik]

They're just as scared as you.

[Alex Cooper]

Right? So I do think I. It's also weird. It's like when you hit these milestones in life, we have a expectation of exactly what we're gonna feel like, oh, I'll be changed. I'll be better. I'll be this. And then you get there and it's like, you're still the same person. Your life doesn't just change completely overnight like that. So it is helpful as you go through those big life stages to kind of give yourself grace in those moments to be like, huh. So then everyone must feel this way. It's not just me, right?

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah, you would hope so. Anyway.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay, we have to talk a little bit about dating, but I already feel like I know your answer.

[Zayn Malik]

D day. No, we have to talk about D Day.

[Alex Cooper]

What did you just say?

[Zayn Malik]

Did you just say D Day?

[Alex Cooper]

No.

Dating.

[Zayn Malik]

Dating. I thought you said we have to talk about D day. I was like, what is this? I don't even know what this is.

[Alex Cooper]

D day dating, which maybe to you feels like, me asking about D Day because you're like, that's like Freudian moment. You're like, no, wait, what D Day?

Fuck.

Are you seeing anyone right now?

[Zayn Malik]

No.

[Alex Cooper]

I knew you were gonna say that. Not even, like, texting. Okay, that's fair. You're not dating. You're just. You're talking.

[Zayn Malik]

I've got a few friends. Yeah, but no, no, I'm not. I'm not dating anybody.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay, so a few friends. You went on Tinder once, right? Did you ever make it out of the app?

[Zayn Malik]

No one ever believed it was me, to be honest with you, so it didn't really work for me, but yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

What was your profile picture of me, but, like, was it from Google?

[Zayn Malik]

No, no, it was on, like, camera roll pictures.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay, so, like, it wasn't online that you could find it?

[Zayn Malik]

No, no.

[Alex Cooper]

Well, that's like the tell. They should have known it was you.

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah, but what are they going to do? Search online, apparently. Is this photo from online?

[Alex Cooper]

So dating apps are not for you anymore?

[Zayn Malik]

Not really.

[Alex Cooper]

How has being a dad impacted the way that you approach dating right now?

[Zayn Malik]

I don't know if being a dad's changed the way I approach dating. I guess the only difference with that is the time, you know, like I said, when I'm not working, I'm with Kai. So, like, finding the time to even go on dates and do that kind of stuff is a bit difficult, to be honest with you.

[Alex Cooper]

What would it take for you to introduce someone to your daughter?

[Zayn Malik]

I think I'd have to be really serious about that woman and, like, maybe plan on marrying her before she'd be introduced to my daughter.

[Alex Cooper]

But before the woman gets a ring, she's gonna meet Kai. Right? You're like, wedding day, I'd have to decide.

[Zayn Malik]

No, maybe, like, on the third day, I'm like, yo, I'm marry this woman. Nah, you can meet my bird. Meet my daughter. Sorry. Yeah, my daughter can meet my bird or you can meet my chickens. It's up to you.

[Alex Cooper]

Hold on, hold on. You're saying that bird is a northern?

[Zayn Malik]

You call bird, you're female.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay. I was like, she's meeting the chickens.

[Zayn Malik]

No, she's meeting my. My girlfriend.

[Alex Cooper]

Maybe the girlfriend first meets the girls. Yeah, the chickens, then the turtles, and then slowly, if the vibe is right, Kai, One day I just feel like.

[Zayn Malik]

It'S a lot of pressure, you know? Like, call me old school when I say this, but, like, I wouldn't want to ever put that kind of pressure on somebody else, even, you know, like, meet my daughter, have a relationship with her, then don't work out between me and you. And then you've gone somewhere, and my daughter's got this relationship with you, and she don't get to see you again. Kind of sucks, you know? Like, I wouldn't want to put her through that. It's kind of on me. So I feel like I have to be smarter about that. And obviously I'm joking. Like, maybe if I was dating a bird for, like, a decent amount of time, five, six months properly, we'll get serious then I'd say, oh, yeah. Like, do you want to meet my daughter? You know, when I know she's not crazy?

[Alex Cooper]

No, no, no. Yeah, yeah. You need to, like, really make sure you're, like, putting her through tests. And finally you're like, okay, you have passed the not crazy test. Now is the next step. You've obviously been in a public relationship before. Would you be open to that again, or are we going full private? No, no.

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah, yeah. I'm not looking for a public relationship again. And just out of experience, no, you know, offense to anybody that I have been in public relationships with before. I've just learned from it. It don't work for me. You know, I'm quite a private person. I don't really strive for people's, you know, approval or attention. So the relationship should really be between me and that person. And I think that personality type would. Somebody who doesn't want to do that would be more suited to me, you know?

[Alex Cooper]

Oh, man. Maybe you're gonna find, like, a Pennsylvania baddie. Cause, like, girls in Pennsylvania don't expect, you know, some bad Amish butt. Yeah. And they're like, oh, I didn't expect this. Life in, like, the limelight. Like, it's fine if we never leave the farm. Okay, keep me updated. Good to know all the girls in Pennsylvania are like, I must find him back on the dating apps. For 10 really formative years of your life, from 17 to about 27, you were in serious relationships. This is kind of the longest you've ever publicly been single. What was the scariest part of being alone for the first time? Again, you didn't care.

[Zayn Malik]

I don't find being alone scary. Like, again, I think it links to the other question you asked me about, like, how are you cool with yourself? I'm cool with myself. I like my own thoughts. I like to do things myself, and I like to be in my own company. I'm not codependent like that at all. Even with my parents. Like, I love them. I Respect them. They're always there if I need them, but I'm not co dependent on them, you know, I don't need to speak to them every single day and check things with them. So it wasn't really scary for me, honestly. Again, no disrespect to all the past relationships I've been in because people tend to take things out of context. No disrespect at all. It was freeing. Like I am that type of person who, you know, runs on my own clock, answers to myself. So it was so freeing to me. I could just do things, make plans, sleep into whatever time I want. You know what I mean? It's nice like go to bed whatever time I want, eat what I want, like eat in the bed, all kinds of shit. You know, that like, is not cool when you, when you're in a couple. So yeah, it's just been freeing for me and no pressure, you know, like I can't really get in trouble that way either. You know, I tend to get in trouble in relationships too because I was young and, you know, did certain things, you know, spoke to other females when I shouldn't have been. As, as most people do, you live and learn from it, but this way there's no guilt, you know, I can just be free and speak to whoever I want and you know, hopefully if I meet somebody that I want to be serious with, I'll have spent enough time in this place to know that I want to be with that person and be committed to them.

[Alex Cooper]

It's a great point. Like you can acknowledge you messed up when you were younger and you're not proud of it, but also like unless you're ready to get into a relationship where, you know, you can go and.

[Zayn Malik]

Keep doing the same thing, you know.

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah, but okay, there. I feel like there's a difference between enjoying your own company and then self isolation. Have you ever intentionally self isolated?

[Zayn Malik]

Yes, to a certain degree. I think I did a little bit like after the band, you know, like I took a bit of time to myself. But I wouldn't say it's complete isolation. I always still have people around, you know, my manager's always around that works with me and like my best friends come out and see me from time to time. Not as much as I'd like because it is quite a long flight. But I wouldn't say it's like self isolation. It's more just like removing myself from the noise for a bit.

[Alex Cooper]

You said that you're finally in a place now where you don't need another person to identify or find yourself in. That's what we're talking about. How in the past were you losing yourself in past relationships?

[Zayn Malik]

I don't know if I was necessarily losing myself. I just felt like there was so many things I had to do in order for this other person to be happy and things that I didn't necessarily find enjoyment in. You know, like I'm not the type of dude that likes to go to five star Michelin restaurants every night and get pictured and, you know, go here and go there. This person's invited you and they're really famous so you should go hang out with them. I'm like, you know, because we've both got the same job, you're just going to put us on a play date? Yeah, for me, like it doesn't, it don't make sense like that. Yeah. So yeah, I just tend to just stay away from them things.

[Alex Cooper]

It's actually the best thing you've said today. I don't want to go on a play date with other famous people. Sue me. It's refreshing. But I think it's hard to not get caught up in that because I think there's so many people that can be like, this is how it goes when you get famous.

[Zayn Malik]

So many people have so much value on that too. The way the world runs is like who you're associated with is reflective reflection of you. And people use that and, you know, social media to put off a false portrayance of whatever their life is. And everything's hunky dory and fairies and rainbows and in reality it doesn't quite work like that.

[Alex Cooper]

I'm happy that I feel like enough people now are starting to see through that. Like so many people doing things for social media and then the minute it happens or it's posted, a lot of times if you know the person, you're like, wait, that is like not. They're not even that happy. Like that's literally bullshit. Like I just saw them crying at the club the other night, but they're like. And they're miserable. So it's like, that is such a sad and isolating life to live. And I have actually empathy for it because it's probably like, feels very validating in the moment, but it's almost like a quick dopamine hit and then it's over. And so.

[Zayn Malik]

And it usually extends from insecurity, right?

[Alex Cooper]

Yes, yes. And so you're sitting here being like, you've done so much work on yourself, you've always felt pretty good alone. And so now you need someone that can kind of meet you there instead, which is amazing.

[Zayn Malik]

I'd like that. Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

I also feel like your 20s are all about making mistakes and figuring yourself out. And now in your 30s, you're really coming into your own. I asked you when I first interviewed you to describe yourself in three words.

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

What do you think you said?

[Zayn Malik]

I have no idea. I probably said, that's really difficult.

[Alex Cooper]

I think you did say that, but then I forced you to answer. Okay, give me three words that you would describe yourself as now. Then let's see if it's the same.

[Zayn Malik]

I think one of the words was definitely chill. I don't know if it was correct. Was it?

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah, chill is on there. Two more.

[Zayn Malik]

All right. So right now I would say chill, chill, and chill.

[Alex Cooper]

Zane.

[Zayn Malik]

No, I'm joking. It's hard for me. I don't really like to talk about myself in that way, you know, like, give myself an adjective.

[Alex Cooper]

Well, you did it three years ago.

[Zayn Malik]

Did it?

[Alex Cooper]

Do you want to know?

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah, I do. Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

Chill.

Funny, loving guy.

[Zayn Malik]

Oh, there you go. Yeah, I like that. That's my guy there.

[Alex Cooper]

You're like, hey, I like him. Do you still relate?

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay.

[Zayn Malik]

I think so.

[Alex Cooper]

Love that. You said in an interview that you don't know if you've ever truly been in love. Do you still stand by that?

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah. Yeah. Because, like, my understanding of love is always developing. You know, at that moment in time, I might have thought it was love, but as I got older, I realized maybe it wasn't. Maybe it was lost. Maybe it was this. Maybe it was that. I don't feel like it was love. And to be fair, like, just to say this on record, I will always love G because she's the reason my child isn't, you know, on this earth. And I have the utmost respect for her. I will always love her. But I don't know if I was ever in love with her.

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah, I mean, I can imagine. There's so much pressure. I agree. And I'm. And even you having to clarify, like, everyone's always probably, like, what do you mean?

[Zayn Malik]

That's what. Because before, even when I said it, I think people talk type of way. So I'm just like, yo, I have so much respect for this woman, and I do love her a crazy amount. But, yeah, no, but I don't think I was in love with her at that point. Otherwise, I would have been a better version of myself.

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah, I think that's fair to say anxiety. We talked about it when you came on the show last time. How are you managing those feelings today again?

[Zayn Malik]

I think I said this to you before, but, like, anxiety is a thing that I think all of us are dealing with. With we just now have a word to explain it. And you feel that in, you know, small increments throughout your day, certain situation might make you feel something. But one thing I've learned since becoming a father is that it's good to overcome them feelings and push through it. Because, you know, I'm sat here all the time telling my daughter to do things and, you know, just get over it. You'll be fine, you'll be cool. And I'm a bit of a hypocrite if I'm not doing that myself.

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah. You went from disappearing from the public eye essentially, to now coming back doing a Vegas residency and a full stadium and arena tour. What shifted for you in that headspace?

[Zayn Malik]

I think it was around like 2020. I was wanting to go back and tour anywhere. Like whenever I drive past the arena or something, I was like, won't mind performing there. What's this arena called? And I kept asking the question, and it was kind of going to happen. And then Covid came and. And destroyed the entire world. So you know that old saying, if you. You want to make God laugh, try to come up with your own plan. And then when that happened, it just spurred me further, this want and desire to, like, kind of be back on stage and again. I know I always bring it back to Kai since she's being born, but it's kind of just wanting to show her that, like, I can do it and like, this is what your dad does, you know, this is my job. Yeah. I don't want it to be watching old videos of me in the band, you know, like, it doesn't even really look like me anymore.

[Alex Cooper]

You're like, I'm way more handsome now. Guys.

[Background Singer]

Appreciate it.

[Alex Cooper]

Do you think that your vocals have gotten better since then too?

[Zayn Malik]

I'd like to think so, yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

I think so.

[Zayn Malik]

Appreciate it.

[Alex Cooper]

When you are feeling overwhelmed or anxious, what does help calm you down?

[Zayn Malik]

Weed.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay. Are you growing that on the farm too?

[Zayn Malik]

I art growing that on the farm. No, I don't think that's legal, actually. But yeah, no, honestly, meditation, mindfulness, you know, being grateful for things.

[Alex Cooper]

Are you doing meditation apps or are you doing it just alone?

[Zayn Malik]

Myself, yeah. Just sit and breathe and think about things in nice, quiet, you know, contemplative place and. And think about things. And I think it always is helpful to name like three things you're grateful for and everything else kind of like subsides a little bit.

[Alex Cooper]

Should we do that right now?

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

What are three things you're grateful for for Kai?

[Zayn Malik]

First and foremost, I'm grateful for my career and I'm grateful for my family.

[Background Singer]

Wow.

[Alex Cooper]

Beautiful.

Throughout your career there have been instances and kind of like what you were just talking about, like so much pressure on you where people are gonna take things out of context and looking at you. Like, there have been a few instances where people are looking for you to respond publicly during an emotional, personal situation. Like, how do you handle that pressure?

[Zayn Malik]

Again, it's not really a pressure. Like I feel like there's a pressure on you if you feel a need to argue a point or, you know, you feel so adamant that you, you know, you need to rectify what's been said. Me personally, if it's not true, I don't give a shit. Like, there's. There's so many things that people say that are untrue and if I were going to sit there and go through all them things, I won't have any time in my day to do anything else. Like, so I just try not to think about it. I'm not really a social media person. I don't have social media on my phone. If there's something that's going on social media, I speak to my manager or my assistant and say, put this up on social media. I don't scroll, don't do the doom scrolling shit, don't see anything. You know, I just kind of live in my. In my own world and it's nice there isn't no pressure for me in that sense because I don't allow that pressure to be in my life.

[Alex Cooper]

That's great. Obviously you have been on massive tours before, but during those you were on the stage with other people. This time you're out there by yourself. How are you approaching it and how does it feel different than having four people standing next to you?

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah, the first couple of shows I did on the Stairway to the sky tour, it was kind of weird, you know, I'd done a couple of odd songs here and there, like on TV shows and stuff, like one song, but I'd not done like a whole show. So yeah, it was a little bit strange, you know, it took a little bit of adjustment not being able to look to somebody else singing. But I have my band on stage with me. But yeah, not, not much conscious, like decision making. Like, I'm gonna do this different from the.

[Background Singer]

Foreign.

[Alex Cooper]

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What can fans, if they haven't been expect from a Zayn show?

[Zayn Malik]

Hopefully some decent vocals, not too much movement. Me just kind of stood center stage.

[Alex Cooper]

Would you ever do a little dance?

[Zayn Malik]

It's not really my thing. Yeah, I've self professed always to never really be a dancer in that sense. I don't. I don't think I take myself serious enough to like pull that off, you.

[Alex Cooper]

Know, like, why can I like not picture you dancing?

[Zayn Malik]

Because it's. It's just a weird thought. Yeah. Even if you put me in on AI dancing, it looks a bit weird.

[Alex Cooper]

You're like that. Just definitely. I. If you see me dancing online, that is a m. That was never me. You recently are. I know you said you don't have social media, but I'm assuming this has come back to you. You are all over the Internet right now because you made a joke the other night on stage about people's high ticket prices.

[Zayn Malik]

I never specified. No nabs. You know, people have high ticket prices all over the place. Could have been talking about anybody. Take it as you want.

[Alex Cooper]

Fair. Okay. Can we talk about your new music? What themes are you really diving into on this album?

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah, so the. The new album Konakole is the derivative of a lot of inspiration from, you know, my Indian heritage and culture. I've always put, you know, like little soul things in there, little ad libs here and there. Even on Dust till Dawn with Sia. And it's something I've always liked to show the world, you know, like, I can sing like this too. So we went into. Into that a little bit more. Conoco is, in its definition, is the act of creating percussive sounds with your voice. So like drum sounds. So I made a lot of the production out of my. My own voice. So I'm singing like layers and layers of different vocals to make the beat. And once we started doing it like off like first three, four songs, I was like, yeah, the whole record needs to be like this. So just let into that and drew a lot of inspiration from that. Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

So when we're listening to this, we can know that a lot of what we're hearing is actually your own voice.

[Zayn Malik]

Is my voice. Even the drum sounds and stuff on some of them. Yeah, like they've been affected to make them sound like a drum, but I'm singing it.

[Alex Cooper]

Oh, that's sick.

[Zayn Malik]

Da da da ma da ma da da da da ma da ma da. That's the drum rhythm too.

[Alex Cooper]

Wait, that makes it even. This is just giving me even more color to what to expect. That's incredible. Can you tell me a little bit about your new single, Die for Me?

[Zayn Malik]

I've had that song for years. I've had that song for like five, six years. I think I had it even before caught it a while ago and it was just a great song. But it didn't feel like it fit on Roon because Roon was such a raw, like, different kind of like singer, songwriter project thing that it felt too, you know, produced and too clean and crisp. But I didn't write that song. Yeah, I have no problem professing when I don't write songs either. It was just a banger of a song. I heard it and they asked if I wanted it, so I said, yeah, and I caught it and it turned out really well.

[Alex Cooper]

Did you relate to any of the themes of like, for sure, yeah.

[Zayn Malik]

I'd be silly if I, you know, if I said I didn't relate to the themes. I did, definitely. But I also felt the power of the song. Like, feels like it's a big, like radio song and I wanted to come back with that kind of energy.

[Alex Cooper]

You know when you are personally writing and you're writing about a specific situation or a specific person, like, have you ever shown people music ahead of time that's going to be about them or are you like, no way if it's about them?

[Zayn Malik]

Never. No. Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

Have you had people call you and be like, zayn, is this one about me?

[Zayn Malik]

I honestly, I think if anyone knows me, like, they'd know it was about them, you know, like, they don't need to call me. Like, they know me well enough at that point. They like, this song's definitely about me.

[Alex Cooper]

They're like, oh, yeah. What song of yours from this album were you the most nervous to have be released?

[Zayn Malik]

It's interesting. There's a few songs on there. There's a song on there called Side Effects that was a bit like, I don't know if I want to put this out. And then the more and more I listened to it, I was like, you know what? It's. It's honest, you know, it's. It lives in reality. And I'm sure so many people have felt this way. So for that reason I was like, it needs to go on there. Yeah, it's free.

[Alex Cooper]

The theme of that one, I'm pretty sure is the one where you kind of talk about the shortcomings. Is that one of kind of being?

Yeah.

[Zayn Malik]

The side effects of loving me, you know, instead of like how you made me feel from loving you, it's like, I understand that I might have made you feel a type of way too. You know what I mean? It's pretty mature self admittance.

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah. It takes a lot to admit that it does Take two to tango. And when there's issues, it's not just one person we have obviously discussed. You're a pretty private person. Like, how do you decide when you want to share parts of your life in music? Because that, again, like, people can read into things. Like, how much do you put thought into that?

[Zayn Malik]

For me, it's like, at the end of the day, I could right now, after this interview, go on Twitter. I could go on Instagram and I could put somewhere real cheap up on there. You know what I mean? Get a quick reaction. For me, with the music, it has so much more class to it. It's poetry. There's thought gone into it. There's production. It's classy, you know? So that's why I'm like, yeah, I'll talk about these things here. Because it's art and it stays there. It's not just a random text. You know what I mean?

[Alex Cooper]

It's not a tweet.

[Zayn Malik]

No, it's not tweet.

[Alex Cooper]

You're like, just listen to it in the song. Okay, I said enough. How do you feel when people try to connect the dots of, oh, my gosh. Speculating about these lyrics must be about this person.

[Zayn Malik]

People are always gonna do that, you know, Even if I bring a song out next week about, you know, I always wanted to be a clown and be in the circus, people are like, oh, shit, Zane wanted to be a clown in the circus. You know what I mean? Yeah, I don't really feel a type of way about it. Like, they're always gonna say something. And the music that I use and the songs that I write myself usually have some correlation to my reality too, so I'm cool with that. Yeah, they can connect the dots wherever they want. They might not always connect them correctly, but that's what makes it interesting.

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah. Okay. Top three favorite songs from the album.

[Zayn Malik]

Top favorite three. Okay. Used to the Blues is definitely my favorite. I think it's just different. Feels a bit different for a zen song. So it's got a bit more of a hip hop production to it. It that really like side effects. And there's another song called Sideways.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay, favorite lyric.

[Zayn Malik]

I miss looking at you sideways.

[Alex Cooper]

When did you come up with that one?

[Zayn Malik]

A while ago.

[Alex Cooper]

It's been in your notes app. You were wondering when you should.

[Zayn Malik]

When do I release this to the world?

[Alex Cooper]

And when you write something like that, is that you sitting on the farm, daydreaming or meditating, having a thought and being like, that's an interesting line. And then you write it Down?

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah, yeah, pretty much, yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

When do you think you have those revelations of a new lyric the most? Like, are you. Is it when you're in the studio? Is it when you're just chilling at home?

[Zayn Malik]

Usually the best lyrics, yeah, they don't come like when and you've planned to be in the studio. You can plan as much as you want, but my lyrics usually come to me late at night, like I'm a bit of a night owl. That time just before you go to sleep is a weird one for me because I don't go to sleep. I just stay awake, like writing things. Cause my mind's just going crazy at that time. But in this, like, studio run, I managed to get a lot out in the studio sessions. So I think it just really depends, you know, if you've. If you've got a bit of information, pent up, ready to go, it'll. It'll be there for you. If you're not really living any life, doing anything, then probably not gonna have to talk about. You know what I mean?

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah, I just thought about that. As you're saying, a lot of things come to you at night. I'm like, okay, miss looking at you sideways, I'm assuming is basically you're like, laying in bed and you're staring at each other while your heads are both on the pillow. And you can't help but think like, yeah, that may have come to you while you were laying there wishing that person was there. Yeah, okay. Love that. Okay. What are you most proud of with this album?

[Zayn Malik]

Honestly? The fact that people still give a shit. I'll be honest with you. Like, five solo albums now. I was just buzzing that, you know, I got to do a first one, like, after the band, like, people seemed to care, you know, some five records deep now. So I guess I'm really proud of the progression and just the development and understanding of myself in. Through my music, you know?

[Alex Cooper]

What do you want fans to take from this album?

[Zayn Malik]

I want them to get a bit more insight on, you know, maybe my culture and heritage and maybe even, you know, find a new word. I don't know if too many people familiar with the word Conocol. Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

Okay. When you think back to who you were when you first started your career, to who you are sitting here today, how would you describe your evolution as an artist?

[Zayn Malik]

Fucking huge arc, you know, from standing on stage in Manchester singing Mario let me love you acapella, not knowing what production was, anything wearing my uncle's clothes. There's been a bit of progression you know, I'd like to say I've developed my own style a little bit. I know a bit more about music. I know what key is now. I know what pitch is. All these things that I had no clue of. Yeah. So there's been a lot of development but I think again just to bring it back there, the most development has been in me as a human being, you know, like just growing.

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah. What do you think overall when you look back at that young boy on that stage singing Mario, let me love you to now, like what do you wish?

[Zayn Malik]

Big balls. No, literally big balls. 17 year old kid, don't have a clue. He's so confident. What is he doing?

[Alex Cooper]

So cute. Is there anything at that point you wish you could have told your younger self now?

[Zayn Malik]

I say it all the time. Yeah. I wish I could go back to that 17 year old version of me and say, well done like for being that brave, like. Because I don't know if, if somebody asked me in my 30s, if I had no experience before, would you go stand and sing in front of Simon Cowell? I would have done it. You know, I would have been like, no, no way.

[Alex Cooper]

Wow. And look where it got you.

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

It was an honor to sit down with you again. I think back to being in Pennsylvania with you. I remember. Well, first of all, that was just so weird because you literally walked through my parents house and I was like, I'm struggling. Like you're walking through my parents parents doors and like I grew up here.

[Zayn Malik]

It's so nice though. It was so cool. It's such a different environment like for me to be in like a house and doing an interview. I think that's why the interview went well. It felt good and relaxed and chill. It didn't feel like a intrusive interview. It felt like we were just chatting as friends.

[Alex Cooper]

It was really fun and you were so sweet and you brought me a housewarming gift. Even though that was.

[Zayn Malik]

I got you some more stuff as well, Zane.

[Alex Cooper]

Yeah, you got me so much stuff. My team was like, do you want to come see all this? I was like, you bought me basically everything I could have thought of and more.

[Zayn Malik]

I heard that you like all the same stuff as me. So I was like, yeah, I'm gonna have to send you some stuff.

[Alex Cooper]

All the snacks, all the.

[Zayn Malik]

You put loads of British stuff in there.

[Alex Cooper]

I know, I saw it. Trust me, I've already gotten into it. I was eating the chips. I was like, you're a real one. Thank you. But no, it's been really Cool to get to know you. And I think my favorite thing about my job is to get to progress with someone where it's like we met at a certain period in time and then to now sit here with you, like, you feel more relaxed. Like, you feel more at ease. And I don't know what you would attribute that to, but, like, I can feel it in you, and it's really cool to see that.

[Zayn Malik]

I appreciate you saying that. Yeah. No, obviously, that interview that we did was, like, one of the first interviews I'd done in a long time. So again, it's that, like, anxiety, you know, preempting what the situation's gonna be, and then you're there, and it's very different. You know, it has been three years since then. I've been working a lot more, Been getting into the rhythm of things, and I feel a lot more chill and a lot more confident, you know, in this environment. And I'm enjoying myself.

[Alex Cooper]

Well, I'm happy you called me. And I think we're gonna have to do this again in three years.

[Zayn Malik]

Let's do it.

[Alex Cooper]

You guys didn't actually think we were done yet, did you?

Zayn and I obviously have a little.

Surprise to end the night. So let's go. You have to stop giving me gifts, Zane.

[Zayn Malik]

It's just noodles. It's not. Not nothing that expensive. It's some crisp and noodles.

[Alex Cooper]

I'm dead at this.

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

Stick the chips in the noodles.

[Zayn Malik]

Yeah. And I got you this, too.

[Alex Cooper]

Jane, how much have you spent on the boo boo?

[Zayn Malik]

We won't discuss that on camera. Welcome.

[Alex Cooper]

Oh, my God. Wait, Zane. This is sick. It's like the calm before the storm. I am so happy we got to reunite. Thank you so much for just letting me into the behind the scenes of your world. I'm so happy for you. This has been such a massive success. I can't wait for the album. And more importantly, I can't wait to see you out there tonight.

[Zayn Malik]

Thank you so much.

[Alex Cooper]

Love you. You're the best.

[Zayn Malik]

I hope you have a good time tonight.

[Alex Cooper]

Oh, my God. I will.

[Zayn Malik]

Hopefully I can put on a good show for you.

[Alex Cooper]

Dance for us out there.

[Zayn Malik]

All right.

[Background Singer]

Yeah.

[Alex Cooper]

Like, not a chance.

[Zayn Malik]

Get a little.

[Alex Cooper]

Bye, Zane.

[Zayn Malik]

See you later, alex. All right, who wants to hear my next single, Die for me? Here it is.

[Background Singer]

Good times and bad times I gave you my everything I tried and I tried to love you through each other we never be enemies why the would you say that to me? Was there somebody who lies to your face? Was this the truth? Rip it up let it bleed you said you die for me. Die for me don't leave me my I need you the rose give you my heart don't you dare let it go say you die for me say you die for me don't give me more when I need you the most for you said you never never love you call your friends said you gone I'm going to wait up here going I'll sleep just fine without you ain't nothing still somebody right to you this here is the truth.

[Alex Cooper]

Love you I.

[Background Singer]

Love you you set it up those.

[Zayn Malik]

Of your words were spitting out you.

[Background Singer]

Told me you love me right. You. Never let. Sa.

[Alex Cooper]

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[Zayn Malik]

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[Zayn Malik]

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