EP 5 - The Handyman of West Texas

Summary

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Podcast Summary:

Johnathan Walton Media - EP 5: The Handyman of West Texas
Date: March 31, 2026
Host: Johnathan Walton
Notable Contributors: Evan Goldstein (Executive Producer), “Handyman Mickey”, Unnamed Sex Therapist/Expert

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Episode Overview

Main Theme:
In this provocative and candid episode, Johnathan Walton delves deeper into the taboo sexual encounters of “Handyman Mickey,” a man servicing the secret desires of Midland, Texas’ housewives. With humor and sensitivity, the discussion explores the psychology behind pain-pleasure kinks, boundary-setting, the dangers and consequences of clandestine liaisons, and the nature of trust and fantasy. The episode continues the series’ thread of untold, extraordinary stories set in the American heartland.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Limits of Desire: Pushback from Experts

• Walton tries to understand the psychology behind extreme sexual requests, like being punched during sex, but finds leading experts unwilling to comment.
  • “I reached out to the world's leading sex expert...she did not feel comfortable speaking on this topic...as did the third, fourth, and fifth experts I contacted.” (03:06, Jonathan Walton)
• Evan Goldstein, executive producer, discusses this resistance.
  • “Nobody wants to talk about getting donkey punched. And why?” (03:55, Evan Goldstein)

2. Pain and Pleasure: The Science and Sensation

• The group discusses the biological basis for mixing pain and pleasure (endorphin release, overlap of brain regions, escapism via ‘subspace’).
  • “Neuroscientific research also shows that pain and pleasure activate the same exact areas of the brain…” (05:40, Jonathan Walton)
• They connect this with pop culture, mentioning Fifty Shades of Grey and BDSM dynamics. (06:46–07:11)

3. Personal Boundaries: Mickey’s Principles

• Mickey draws a sharp line at violence.
  • “There's just some things I refuse to do...they want to be hurt, degraded...yeah, I'm sorry, I'm not going to do that.” (08:59, Handyman Mickey)
• He distinguishes what sexual boundaries he’s comfortable with (e.g., tying clients up), and what is non-negotiable (being tied up himself).
  • “You cannot tie me up...It's a one way street...I don't know you.” (09:41–09:43, Handyman Mickey)
  • “Especially with a stranger...Exactly.” (11:32–11:33, Evan Goldstein/Handyman Mickey)

4. Dangerous Fantasies: The Risk of Roleplay

• The conversation turns to housewives wanting rape fantasies.
  • “They want to do rape fantasies. And yeah, that's just not my thing.” (14:26, Handyman Mickey)
• Evan and the group highlight the unpredictable danger: What if the fantasy goes too far, or is a setup?
  • “What if she also wants to watch you get arrested? Like, that's part of the fantasy too.” (15:03, Evan Goldstein)
• Sex therapist underscores the peril: “There's a lot of people you don't know and what their motivation is. And maybe it's just to get someone in trouble.” (17:23, Sex Therapist/Expert)
• Evan references real-life deceptions (condom tampering, con artists):
  • “There's so many brands of crazy, and you never know what brand you're gonna get until you open up the container and see what's inside.” (19:15, Sex Therapist/Expert)

5. Psychosexual Dynamics in Conservative Cultures

• The group reflects on how sexual repression, common in Bible Belt Midland, fuels secret desires.
  • “There is a link to kind of deviant thoughts...it comes out in weird ways.” (20:25, Sex Therapist/Expert)
• They discuss the legal grey area between sex work and pornography. (20:58–21:12)

6. Objectification, Attraction, and Intimacy

• Honest discussion about attraction, even when explicit content is involved:
  • “The videos were hot. And I’m a gay guy, but I still watch straight porn…I am both in awe. And...I’m a little turned on.” (21:36–21:55, Evan Goldstein)
• The therapist notes Mickey is the embodiment of fantasy for many, a “Superman” in the bedroom.
• Mickey is quoted, emphasizing the dignity and attractiveness he sees in all women:
  • “All women are attractive in one way or another. I got to find that attractiveness in that person.” (23:25, Handyman Mickey)

7. Real-World Risks: Getting Caught

• Mickey has almost been caught several times by maids or children.
  • “Half a dozen occasions it was a maid, or [the] house staff...Once the kids came home.” (27:04–27:50, Handyman Mickey)
• Small-town dynamics make secrecy hard; awkward public run-ins with past clients are inevitable.
  • “I saw one of the women with her husband. We kind of made eye contact and I looked away and she looked away.” (29:23–29:27, Handyman Mickey)

8. The Joy of Giving

• Evan connects Mickey’s pleasure-giving to Hindu philosophy:
  • “In the joy of others lies our own...If you're someone who is depressed...get off your ass and help people.” (25:04–25:52, Evan Goldstein)
• Mickey’s sense of fulfillment comes from providing pleasure, not just sexual release.
  • “He doesn't even care if he comes. He's not there to come. He's there to bring pleasure.” (25:52, Evan Goldstein)

9. Secrecy, Catharsis, and Storytelling

• Only those involved know Mickey’s secret; this podcast is the first time he’s shared his story.
  • “You're the only person that's ever asked.” (29:59, Handyman Mickey)
  • “So this has got to be kind of cathartic for you, right? Therapeutic?” (30:41, Evan Goldstein)
  • “A little bit.” (30:57, Handyman Mickey)
• The episode ends on a tease: What happens when a husband finds Mickey? (31:22–31:42)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Handyman Mickey on refusing violence:
  • “There’s just some things I refuse to do...I’m sorry, I’m not going to do that.” (08:59)
• Evan Goldstein on pain as pleasure:
  • “I just can’t understand how anyone would get off on hurting someone. I can’t even watch UFC fighting…” (08:03)
• Sex Therapist/Expert on hidden motivations:
  • “There's so many brands of crazy, and you never know what brand you’re gonna get until you open up the container…” (19:15)
• Mickey’s rule:
  • “Now, you cannot tie me up...It’s a one-way street. I don’t know you.” (09:39–09:43)
• Evan Goldstein on gratitude for safe relationships:
  • “That’s why the older I get, I value, like, our friendship...because you know that I’m not crazy and I know that you’re not crazy.” (19:23–19:33)
• Evan Goldstein (Philosophical closing):
  • “In the joy of others lies our own. It’s so true.” (25:04)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [03:06] — Experts refusing to discuss pain/violence kinks
• [05:40] — The science of pain and pleasure; endorphin discussion
• [08:59] — Mickey’s boundaries on violence/degradation
• [09:43] — “It’s a one-way street”: on tying up clients
• [14:26–14:56] — Rape fantasies and safety issues
• [17:23–19:15] — Real-world dangers, deception, and hidden intentions
• [20:25] — Links between repression and sexual deviance
• [25:04] — Philosophy of joy in giving pleasure
• [27:04–27:50] — Near misses and getting caught
• [29:59–30:57] — Catharsis in telling Mickey’s story
• [31:22–31:42] — Next episode tease: a husband confronts Mickey

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Tone & Style Recap

The episode is frank, boundary-pushing, and often darkly humorous while remaining sensitive to the psychological complexities of human desire. The rapport between Walton, Goldstein, and their guests is open, self-aware, and reflective; their language is candid but not gratuitously graphic, aiming for understanding rather than sensationalism.

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Conclusion
EP 5 of The Handyman of West Texas offers a rare and riveting glimpse into taboo desire, the delicate art of sexual boundaries, and the secret lives of seemingly ordinary people. With empathy, intelligence, and a touch of subversive wit, the podcast doesn’t just titillate—it asks searching questions about what lies beneath the masks we wear, especially in places like West Texas. And as the cliffhanger promises, Mickey’s wild ride is not over yet.

Transcript

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[Jonathan Walton]

Previously on the Handyman of West Texas.

[Handyman Mickey]

Some women want light choking, spanking, hair pulling, that kind of stuff.

[Jonathan Walton]

And how do you define light choking?

[Handyman Mickey]

Light choking is. You're not leaving any marks.

[Jonathan Walton]

Handyman Mickey is suddenly plunged into a strange new world of unconventional desires and requests from a series of limit pushing Midland, Texas housewives. And some of these asks are just a bridge too far.

[Handyman Mickey]

This woman wanted me to punch her in the head and I was like,

[Jonathan Walton]

wanted you to punch her in the head?

[Handyman Mickey]

In the head. She's like, put me in the back of the head. I was like, I am not going to do that. She's like, it's okay. I want you to like, while you're,

[Evan Goldstein]

while you're doggy style, punch her in the back of the head.

[Handyman Mickey]

Yeah, that. That's what she wanted. I said, yeah, I'm not going to do that. You know, I'm not. That's. That's not my thing. What are you crazy?

[Jonathan Walton]

I'm Jonathan Walton and this is the Handyman of West Texas. Episode 5. It's a one way street.

[Handyman Mickey]

I shouldn't judge, but that sounds crazy to me.

[Evan Goldstein]

It does suck because it sounds painful.

[Handyman Mickey]

Yeah. I was like, why would I do that? What would you get out of that? So, yeah, I don't, I don't do that.

[Evan Goldstein]

Was she upset?

[Handyman Mickey]

She was, you know, she's like, please. You know, she's.

[Evan Goldstein]

She begged you to punch?

[Handyman Mickey]

Yeah. And I was like, yeah. At that point I was turned off. I was like, yeah, it's over. Yeah, we gotta call it quits.

[Jonathan Walton]

I gotta say, that last episode really shook me to my core and sent me down a bunch of bizarre rabbit holes. I just can't understand why anyone would want to get punched in the back of the head during sex or choked or hurt in any way. I just don't get it. So I reached out to the world's leading sex expert, a woman with a New York Times best selling book on human sexuality and the number one podcast about sex. And her assistant emailed me back saying she did not feel comfortable speaking on this topic, the donkey punching topic, and she wished me luck finding someone who would. So I reached out to the second world's leading human sexuality expert with a New York Times bestselling book and a podcast, and she said no too. As did the third, fourth, and fifth experts I contacted.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

That's why there are sex therapists.

[Jonathan Walton]

My buddy and executive producer of this

[Evan Goldstein]

podcast, Evan Goldstein, that's why there are,

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

like, doctors who, you know, focus on this kind of thing.

[Evan Goldstein]

None of whom would talk to me. Nobody wants to talk about getting donkey punched. And why?

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

I don't know.

[Evan Goldstein]

Nobody wants to talk about it.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

Well, maybe. Did you lead with that?

[Evan Goldstein]

I did, because I don't want to misrepresent myself when I reach out to, like, these experts.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

Yeah.

[Evan Goldstein]

So they think I'm. I'm baiting and switching them, and I'm not. I want to be upfront. I want to know, what do you know about donkey punching? Why on God's green earth would a woman want to get punched in the back of the head during sex? Why would she want to get donkey punched?

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

I think we could all agree that people would be kind of shocked if that was asked of you. I would be. Would you be if someone was just like, hey, just punch me in the back of the head?

[Ryan Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Evan Goldstein]

Yeah. I would be freaked out.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

So there really is kind of a connection between, like, pain and pleasure, like, in your body. It's like people talk about bdsm, about even, like, eating, like, super hot peppers.

[Evan Goldstein]

It's like, yeah, that's another thing. They like to, like, punish themselves with, like, the hot, hot pepper.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

It hurts, but it feels good. And like, not for me, though. No, not for me either.

[Evan Goldstein]

Right.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

But it.

[Evan Goldstein]

I heard that it hurts, but feels good. I'm like, no, for me it hurts. It hurts, and I want to get away from it.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

It triggers endorphins in your body. So it's kind of like a natural high. So it's like, you know, pleasure mixed with pain is kind of, I guess, a unique, you know, kink.

[Evan Goldstein]

I guess some people are just wired differently.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

Yeah. No.

[Evan Goldstein]

And would you say it's miswired? Is it a childhood trauma thing where,

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

you know, I don't know. I think it's just so hard to kind of quantify anything completely. You know, I think it's probably case by case.

[Jonathan Walton]

And despite the fact that all the

[Evan Goldstein]

sex experts I contacted do not want to talk about this with me, there's actually a ton of research out there on this topic.

[Jonathan Walton]

In fact, the scientific reasoning for why somebody would want to be punched or choked or slapped or otherwise physically hurt during sex is all over the map. One explanation posits that when the body experiences pain, it releases endorphins, like Evan said, neurotransmitters that act as natural painkillers and create a sense of euphoria. And in a sexual context, these endorphins can create a high or a rush. Neuroscientific research also shows that pain and pleasure activate the same exact areas of the brain. And in some people, this close proximity allows for a sort of miswiring and a reinterpretation of intense pain as intense pleasure. And then there's something called the subspace effect, where pain can act as a form of escapism, allowing individuals to focus entirely on the present moment and disengage from daily stress.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

It's like 50 shades of gray. Huge global phenomenon.

[Evan Goldstein]

Yes.

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Do you want to punish me right now?

[Handyman Mickey]

I want to punish you right now.

[Evan Goldstein]

Punish me. Show me how bad it can be.

[Mackenzie]

I want you to show me the worst.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

And it's all about bdsm. It's all about the master slave relationship.

[Evan Goldstein]

Pleasure. Pain.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

And it went.

[Evan Goldstein]

Or pain as pleasure.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

Yeah.

[Evan Goldstein]

I mean, that's what we're talking about here.

[Jonathan Walton]

Yeah.

[Evan Goldstein]

Right. Pain as pleasure.

[Handyman Mickey]

Because I'm 50 Shades of Fucked up.

[Jonathan Walton]

So that's why some of these wealthy West Texas housewives would want Mickey to punch them in the back of the head during sex. But the reason why someone would want to be the person throwing that punch is vastly different.

[Evan Goldstein]

When you punch someone, you get a reflexive response. Everything tightens up. So if you're a guy going at it, you want everything to tighten up that you can get that sensation. So. Right. I can understand from a sensation standpoint why they would want that. As horrible as it is, why you'd want to punch someone like that. That would take my boner completely away.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

Yeah.

[Evan Goldstein]

Like hitting someone. I have bent over Backwards, trying to understand, because that's what I do. I want to understand everyone's point of view because I'm that guy.

[Handyman Mickey]

Yeah.

[Evan Goldstein]

And for the life of me, I just can't understand how anyone would get off on hurting someone. I can't even watch. I can't watch UFC fighting because when I see the punch, like I feel it, physically feel the punch I'm watching, I can't. Like, I can feel for other people. And that's gotten more sensitive as I've gotten older. I can't watch those. Even those, those Instagram videos where the fails or people fall, I can't watch them.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

Oh, yeah, someone breaks their leg.

[Evan Goldstein]

I feel it because it hurts me. It literally physically hurts me to watch it. I can't. So I don't. Much less giving someone pain. I can't.

[Jonathan Walton]

And it turns out handyman Mickey is just like me, give or take a Coca Cola can.

[Handyman Mickey]

Yeah. I don't do those things just because, first of all, everyone has their different kinks, different things that turn them on. But that doesn't do anything for me. And sometimes it has the opposite effect. It turns me off.

[Evan Goldstein]

You can't hurt a woman.

[Handyman Mickey]

Plus. Yeah.

[Evan Goldstein]

That's like antithetical to everything you're about.

[Handyman Mickey]

Exactly. So, yeah, there's just some things I refuse to do. And there's quite a bit of people out there that. That's their thing. They want to be hurt. They want to be, you know, degraded and this and that and, you know, treated poorly. I was like, yeah, I'm sorry, I'm not going to do that.

[Evan Goldstein]

You know.

[Handyman Mickey]

Yeah, interesting.

[Jonathan Walton]

But Mickey still manages to happily fulfill a lot of other lascivious requests.

[Evan Goldstein]

Do they ever ask to be tied up?

[Handyman Mickey]

Yes.

[Evan Goldstein]

Yes. And that's a thing you'll do, and I'll do that.

[Handyman Mickey]

Now. You cannot tie me up.

[Evan Goldstein]

You know, it's a one way street.

[Handyman Mickey]

Yeah, it's a one way street. And you know, they were like, oh, that's. You're so hypocritical. But, you know, and I'm like, yeah, I. I don't know you. You know.

[Evan Goldstein]

Yeah. So they want you to tie them up. Yes. And do what? Have sex with them while they're tied up.

[Handyman Mickey]

Tease them about it. You know, it's almost the anticipation more than the actual act, you know, because they, they were powerless. You know, you have complete power over them and they want that. I don't take advantage of the situation, you know, but I tease them to the point where they can't take me

[Evan Goldstein]

anymore until how do you tease them when they're tied up? What do you say?

[Handyman Mickey]

Just a lot of licking, a lot of touching. Just like, you know, like you.

[Evan Goldstein]

Sexually?

[Handyman Mickey]

Yes.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

Okay.

[Evan Goldstein]

Sexually teasing while they're tied up?

[Handyman Mickey]

Yeah. And they're begging for it and you know, make them wait. Make them wait. Make them wait and give them a little taste and, you know, build the climax kind of situation.

[Evan Goldstein]

So do you bring rope to these scenarios? Do they have the rope? They have rope, Yeah.

[Handyman Mickey]

I don't come with the kit. Like, what do you want? All right, I got this, I got that. No, no, they usually have the rope

[Evan Goldstein]

and they say tie me up.

[Handyman Mickey]

And it's usually something they got of a set shop, you know, so it's

[Evan Goldstein]

not like real rope.

[Handyman Mickey]

Yeah.

[Evan Goldstein]

And where are you tying them up? On a bed. On the ground?

[Handyman Mickey]

On the bed post? Sometimes. Sometimes to spread eagle over the dining room table. They're tied to the legs of the table kind of deal.

[Evan Goldstein]

Oh, now I'm getting a visual.

[Handyman Mickey]

Yeah.

[Evan Goldstein]

So she's spread eagle, tied up in the dining room table and you're just taunting her, teasing her.

[Handyman Mickey]

Yeah. Sometimes they have feathers or sometimes they have little, you know, know, props.

[Evan Goldstein]

Props.

[Handyman Mickey]

Props to use and stuff like that. Sometimes I like to be blindfolded so I don't know when it's coming or where you're at, that kind of thing.

[Evan Goldstein]

And then they'll ask, can I tie you up?

[Handyman Mickey]

Yeah. And I was like, hell no. I put it more gently than that. But yeah, that, that never happens.

[Evan Goldstein]

Yeah, I don't want to be tied up either. That seems like a terrifying thing.

[Handyman Mickey]

It is.

[Evan Goldstein]

Especially with a stranger like.

[Handyman Mickey]

Exactly.

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[Handyman Mickey]

Sometimes they've asked me to, you know, put on a hat or wear boots or, you know, like, it's a Texas thing. They want me to have spurs. And I was like, you know, okay, you know, to an extent, I'll go along with their fantasy, whatever their fantasy may be, but I've never come across one where they wanted, you know, something that I wasn't willing to do. You know, I'm willing to put on a mask. I'm willing to put on, you know, a cowboy hat. You know, if you have a little role play, that is your thing, I can do it as best I can.

[Evan Goldstein]

Right?

[Handyman Mickey]

I could throw on an accent.

[Evan Goldstein]

What kind of accent?

[Handyman Mickey]

I could be a country boy. Come on, girl, I'm gonna ride this rodeo. You know, that kind of thing. But, yeah, it all depends on what the women want. If they have a specific fantasy in mind, I do my best to help them fulfill it.

[Jonathan Walton]

Playing dress up and using a cowboy voice is one thing, but there are also several housewives who want Mickey to simulate a rape scene where they're the victim. They want Mickey to break into their homes, hold them down, and have sex with them. They'll act as if they're resisting, but ultimately they want Mickey to overpower them and have his way with them.

[Handyman Mickey]

They want to do rape fantasies. And yeah, that's. That's just not my thing.

[Evan Goldstein]

And you got to be careful because, yes, it's.

[Handyman Mickey]

It's a fine line where it can go into, you know, problematic situation where, you know, if we're pretending to be like it, then it looks like it. And that's the last thing I want to be put in a situation like, well, this guy raped me. It's like, no, she asked me.

[Evan Goldstein]

This is a real thing, though. Yeah, the women want to be raped or pretend to be raped, or it's a fantasy. But how do you know in their mind where that fantasy will end?

[Handyman Mickey]

Exactly.

[Evan Goldstein]

If a woman has the presence of mind to ask you to, quote, unquote, rape her or, you know, she'll pretend to get away from you and you have to hold her down or whatever, what if she also wants to watch you charged with rape get arrested? Like, that's Part of the fantasy too. I want this to be a real rapist.

[Jonathan Walton]

There are, in fact, truly crazy people in the world masquerading as regular people. And you never know what their actual intentions are with you until it's much too late. Especially when it comes to sexual fantasies. A classic Frasier episode demonstrates what I'm talking about perfectly.

[Evan Goldstein]

Do you watch Frasier?

[Handyman Mickey]

I've watched Frasier. I don't know if I've seen that.

[Evan Goldstein]

I've seen every episode of Frasier a hundred times. In this episode, Frasier wronged a guy in the past when he was a boy at school. The kid eventually ended up in reform school, and it led him to a life of crime. Frasier thought so Frasier was trying to make amends. So Frasier goes to see the guy in jail, and then at some point, Frasier meets the guy's girlfriend. So this guy's girlfriend in the Frasier episode has this fantasy of getting caught, like. So she invites Frasier over to help her with something. She knows the guy's coming out of jail now, so she seduces Frasier because she wants the guy to see her banging Frasier.

[Handyman Mickey]

Oh, wow.

[Evan Goldstein]

And Frasier learns. Yes. Oh, it's a great episode. But Frasier learns too late that this is her thing. She wants to get caught. Oh, dear God.

[Handyman Mickey]

He's out of jail, isn't he?

[Evan Goldstein]

He could walk in at any time. Come on.

[Handyman Mickey]

He'll kill us. Oh, touch me here and say that. Are you crazy?

[Evan Goldstein]

And then, even when the guy comes home, Frasier hides behind the curtain. And, you know, she's hoping the guy finds Frasier, but she doesn't want to tell the guy he's over there. She wants to watch him find Frasier on his own. So to get out of that, Frasier holds a lighter up to the fire sprinkler and sets off the fire alarm for the building. So this is a long walk for possibly a short drink of water. But this is a real thing, though.

[Handyman Mickey]

Yeah.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

There's a lot of people that you don't know and what their motivation is. And maybe it's just to get someone in trouble.

[Jonathan Walton]

My buddy again. Evan Goldstein.

[Evan Goldstein]

Exactly. Which could be another part of the fantasy. Yeah, I wanna watch this guy get arrested.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

Get arrested.

[Evan Goldstein]

Because that's the power I have. I can put people behind bars.

[Handyman Mickey]

Yeah.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

So, you know, I think it's pretty smart to kind of say no. You know, I could totally understand why he, you know, a stranger, a woman he doesn't know at all, no history. He's just going into these situations, and it becomes the most intimate thing in the world.

[Handyman Mickey]

Yeah.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

You know, like penetration.

[Evan Goldstein]

You know, Coca Cola can penetration.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

Like, oh, my God.

[Evan Goldstein]

That's a different level.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

Coca Cola can thickness.

[Evan Goldstein]

Yeah. There's literally room for nothing else.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

Yeah.

[Evan Goldstein]

There are people who are fucking crazy.

[Handyman Mickey]

Yeah.

[Evan Goldstein]

And you don't know. They look like regular people. I mean, look, my fucking con artist who scammed me for four years, and I thought she was my best friend. Like, there are people who are just crazy.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

Oh, yeah.

[Evan Goldstein]

And you don't know.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

I heard, like, a radio show many years ago. I think it was, like, a Dr. Drew. Do you remember Dr. Drew?

[Evan Goldstein]

And he was like, Loveline.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

Yeah, Loveline. So, like, they'd have all these people calling in, talking about their sex problems. I remember there was this one woman who called up, and she's just like, the very new girlfriend casually dating this guy. And they would have sex with condoms. And she called in and she said, before we had sex, I would take a needle and poke a hole in the condoms.

[Evan Goldstein]

Oh, my God.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

So that, like, she would.

[Evan Goldstein]

Wants to get pregnant.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

Finishing the condom, you know, inside to get. To kind of lock him into something. Yeah. You know, that kind of deviant thing. And that always stuck with me where it's just like, oh, my God. There are people that are just.

[Evan Goldstein]

To your face, they seem sane. I know. Yeah. Put a condom on. But secretly she's poking holes in the condom. Like, that's crazy, too.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

There's so many brands of crazy, and you never know what brand you're gonna get until you actually open up the container and see what's inside.

[Evan Goldstein]

I know. And that's why the older I get, I value, like, our friendship and other friendships. I've had a long time.

[Handyman Mickey]

Yeah.

[Evan Goldstein]

Because, like, you know that I'm not crazy, and I know that you're not crazy.

[Handyman Mickey]

No.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

You got to weed those people out.

[Evan Goldstein]

And we've seen each other through the best and worst of times, so we've seen every facet.

[Handyman Mickey]

Yeah.

[Evan Goldstein]

But people you're just meeting, like, you don't fucking know if they're not thinking about them. Get you arrested or poke a hole in the condom or, you know, you. You've.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

You've gotten. Gotten that lesson harder.

[Evan Goldstein]

I learned it the hard way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Buy my book, Anatomy of A on.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

It's really good.

[Evan Goldstein]

Thanks, man. Earlier, before we started recording, you were telling me there was a prevalence of this kind of kink in repressive cultures in repressive parts of the country. And my God. Midland, Texas, Texas Bible Belt.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

Yeah.

[Evan Goldstein]

Super conservative. But under the surface, there are these women who want to get punched in the head, who want to get.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

There is a. You know, sexual repression is kind of a direct. There is a link. It's not like the only thing, but there is a link to kind of deviant thoughts. You know, like when you kind of smash a fantasy so deep down and you're not willing to face it or even talk about it, like, that's a certain kind of struggle that, you know, people have to deal with. And it comes out in weird ways, you know, and sometimes negative ways. Oh. Because also, at the same time, sure, it's illegal. I'm sure, you know, it's sex work.

[Evan Goldstein]

Yeah. I mean, it's sex work. Yeah. And isn't that. Isn't that another weird thing? Sex work is illegal. But if you're making pornography, which in some of these cases he is, that's not illegal.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

So I have a question for you.

[Evan Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

About Mickey.

[Evan Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

When you're interviewing him about these kind of, like, very explicit stories, like, what's. Where? Are you, like, turned on? Are you intrigued? Are you? What's kind of your state? Because it's like you guys are going over the most intimate stuff. You're looking at, like, videos of him having sex on his phone.

[Evan Goldstein]

The videos were hot. The videos were hot. And I'm a gay guy, but I still watch straight porn, and I think it's hot. And his 8 1/2 Coca Cola can, like, that's. It's impressive. And, yeah, I. I am both in awe. And. Yeah, I'm a little turned on. Yeah, I'm a little turned on. But, you know, I got a job to do.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

That's okay to say.

[Evan Goldstein]

I gotta get.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

I think it's. I. I think. I think. I think it's healthy to be turned on by things.

[Evan Goldstein]

Yeah. I. But again, that it's a. I'm a little turned on, but I know I have a job to do and we got to get through this, and I can't. I would never do anything inappropriate. No. Compromise the situation.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

No, I know that.

[Evan Goldstein]

I've thought about. It would be a good, you know, to record my reaction. Like, have him whip his dick out.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

That would be funny to hear.

[Evan Goldstein]

But then I feel like. I feel like that's crossing a line.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Evan Goldstein]

Like whip your dick out. Like, I feel like I'm. You know, that would just be, like, making him, like a. Not a person anymore, just an object.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

You know, it's like, if someone asks, can you describe it?

[Evan Goldstein]

I don't know. I feel.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

I think everybody knows pretty much in their mind. The thing, the thing.

[Evan Goldstein]

I can describe it. I saw pictures and videos in action, even though it was in things.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

Yeah, it's.

[Evan Goldstein]

It's big and thick from tip to shaft. It's, it's, it's. It's a formidable force.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

Yeah.

[Evan Goldstein]

Yeah. And I can understand why he's so popular in that part of the country.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

I think there's, you know, like, the thing about Mickey is that, like, he is fantasy embodied as a man. The anonymous sex, the, like, no strings attached, pleasure.

[Evan Goldstein]

Right.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

There's like. And even for men, it's like, you know, to be Mickey, to, like, oh, he's having sex with 200, maybe, as we've learned, not tens. All tens.

[Evan Goldstein]

Not all tens. But he said something so profound in the last episode.

[Handyman Mickey]

All women are attractive in one way or another. I got to find that attractiveness in that person.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

It sounds like he's having a lot of fun, and he really, truly enjoys it.

[Evan Goldstein]

He does enjoy it.

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[Evan Goldstein]

He enjoys giving pleasure, and it goes back to this Hindu philosophy that I subscribed to many years ago when I interviewed a swami. In the joy of others lies our own. Yeah, it's so true. You caught that before for it's. It's it's true, you know, if you're someone who is depressed and dysfunctional and plugged out and you don't feel like doing anything, get off your ass and help people. Get off your ass and bring joy to people. It will make you happy. Yeah, that's what's missing. All these billionaires in their sequestered yachts and mansions and so cut off from, you know, the human experience. They're not bringing anyone joy. The joy of others lies around.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

Yeah, no, I, I agree completely. Completely. I agree completely. If more people were like that, it'd be a lot better world for sure.

[Evan Goldstein]

So I can relate to that with Mickey. He enjoys bringing pleasure. He doesn't even care if he comes. He's not there to come. He's there to bring pleasure. And that gives him pleasure. It's like this pleasure loop where the women are getting the pleasure and he's getting pleasure giving the pleasure and they're continuing to get the pleasure. And he, and then, you know, it's over and he goes and he leaves the 70 something year old grandma in a, in a schoolgirl outfit.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

It's, it's just a wild, wild visual to imagine.

[Evan Goldstein]

It is surreal.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

What a surreal life. It's like his Clark Kent is, is the, the oil fracker. Dangerous job.

[Evan Goldstein]

Yes, very dangerous.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

Superman is in the bedroom.

[Evan Goldstein]

Well. And between his legs. Well, yeah, you know, that's a Superman.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

What's his kryptonite?

[Evan Goldstein]

I think fame, because he, you know, we were going out of the way to disguise him. Like Mickey's not his real name.

[Sex Therapist/Expert]

Yeah.

[Jonathan Walton]

The other danger Mickey faces day in

[Evan Goldstein]

and day out, while he's making all

[Jonathan Walton]

of these house calls to all of these amorous West Texas housewives, is getting caught.

[Evan Goldstein]

Have you ever been caught or almost caught your home with a housewife doing the deed? Someone comes in several times.

[Jonathan Walton]

Several times.

[Handyman Mickey]

Several times.

[Evan Goldstein]

Tell me who caught you.

[Handyman Mickey]

Well, I'd say, say on half a dozen occasions it was a maid or some kind of house staff because these, these people have, you know, workers, you know, their, their maids or butlers or whatever the hell you want to call them. Different people who work there, they've walked in and they're discreet enough and they know enough to, you know, not say anything about it, but. And they thought nothing of it. You know, it's like, oh, get the hell out of here, Maria. That kind of thing. And I'm, you know, petrified. Like, oh my God, you know, I don't know who these people are. And they walk in to change the sheets Of a room or something. Yeah, that we are. And so those were on several occasions that has happened. Once the kids came home.

[Evan Goldstein]

And how old are these kids?

[Handyman Mickey]

They were young. They were like, you know, grade school kids age. And she heard them and she immediately jumped up and, you know, I had to scurry out the back door kind of deal.

[Jonathan Walton]

And the thing about Midland, Texas, is it's not a big city. There are only about 130,000 people living there. Most of them work in the oil industry. So the chances of running into someone, you know, are pretty much a guarantee.

[Evan Goldstein]

Have you ever seen any of these housewives or their husbands in public after

[Handyman Mickey]

A couple times, I'm sure.

[Evan Goldstein]

Because Midland is not a big well.

[Handyman Mickey]

See, the thing that drops those numbers or the percentage of times that it's happened is I really don't have a life outside of work and play. You know, I order all my stuff online to get delivered groceries, stuff like that. I don't have time to go into the real world. I don't usually go to bars. I don't usually go to restaurants, that kind of thing. And the few times that I have, yes, I've notice that, you know, people that I've encountered in the real world were people I've encountered in the private world and, you know, kind of just shy away and don't make eye contact and kind of, you know, we don't know each other kind of thing.

[Evan Goldstein]

You pretend and they pretend they see you?

[Handyman Mickey]

Yes. There's. There's. There's been acknowledgment, and we're like, both of us like that quick, petrified look because.

[Evan Goldstein]

Is she with her husband?

[Handyman Mickey]

Yes. And yeah. So quickly just know.

[Evan Goldstein]

And where is this, like, what was it? Supermarket?

[Handyman Mickey]

It was a restaurant.

[Evan Goldstein]

A restaurant?

[Handyman Mickey]

Yeah.

[Evan Goldstein]

So she's eating with her husband. You walk in, she sees you. You see her?

[Handyman Mickey]

Yeah. Me and my buddy had. Went to a restaurant bar kind of thing. And yeah, I saw one of the women with her husband. We kind of made eye contact and I looked away and she looked away and that was it. I didn't say anything. She didn't say anything. Obviously, my buddy didn't know anything. So.

[Jonathan Walton]

Yeah. Who knows you're doing this?

[Handyman Mickey]

Nobody.

[Evan Goldstein]

Nobody in your life knows you're a handyman?

[Handyman Mickey]

Only the people that have hired me. Really? Because who would I tell and how would I explain it?

[Evan Goldstein]

But. Yeah. Why talk to me? Why tell your story to me?

[Handyman Mickey]

You asked.

[Evan Goldstein]

I did. Because I'm like that.

[Handyman Mickey]

You're the only person that's ever asked, you know, when I moved back to LA to look after my parents for a little bit. I had put the same ad out

[Evan Goldstein]

here because that's the one I found.

[Handyman Mickey]

Yeah.

[Evan Goldstein]

Because I saw your ad and I'm

[Jonathan Walton]

like, is this more than I think it is?

[Evan Goldstein]

And I remember texting you like, hey, I came across your ad because I am looking for. I'm trying to install a doggy door. So I'm looking for a handyman, and I see your ad and it read provocatively to me and I'm like, that's why I. You texted right back, I can do whatever you want me to do. I'm like, ooh, yeah. And then eventually I inquired about, would you want to do a podcast about this? I knew when you texted, there's a story there.

[Handyman Mickey]

Yeah, like, wow.

[Evan Goldstein]

Like, how long has this been going on? Is this a thing? Like, I had no idea. The more time I spend with you, I'm. You know, and this sounds really stupid, but it is how I feel. I'm honored that you'd share your story with me. Oh, because you haven't told anyone. What's that? So this has got to be kind of cathartic for you, right? Therapeutic?

[Handyman Mickey]

A little bit.

[Evan Goldstein]

You know, talking about all this stuff that you haven't told anyone.

[Handyman Mickey]

No.

[Jonathan Walton]

Right about now, you've got to be asking yourself what I've been asking myself for the past five episodes. What about the husbands of these West Texas housewives? Do they have any idea that Mickey has been bringing home his own bacon and packing it in their fridge?

[Handyman Mickey]

You know, the husbands were somewhere else at the time until that first one where the husband, you know, answers the door.

[Jonathan Walton]

Next time on the Handyman of West Texas.

[Handyman Mickey]

He said, do you want to be with my wife? And I said, I'm not sure what you mean. And he's like, do you want to fuck my wife? Just like that.

[Jonathan Walton]

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[Handyman Mickey]

Foreign.

[Jonathan Walton]

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[Evan Goldstein]

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