Desperately Seeking Sister City

Summary

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Episode Title: Desperately Seeking Sister City
Released: February 4, 2026
Hosts: Rory Scovel (comedian), Josh Dean (journalist & podcaster), Lane Rose (producer & segment host)
Podcast Theme: Hilarious and insightful explorations of bizarre crimes and scams

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Episode Overview

This episode explores the outrageous true story behind Newark, New Jersey's extremely brief "sister city" relationship with the fictional nation of Kailasa – a non-existent country invented by a self-styled Hindu guru and fugitive, Swami Nithyananda. The hosts break down how a fake nation bamboozled one of America’s largest cities (and many others) into official recognition, revealing deeper patterns of gullibility, bureaucracy, and unchecked power. The tale blends comedy, incredulity, and legitimate investigative journalism, while skewering both scammers and their unwitting victims.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. How to Disappear – Fugitive 101

• [02:38]
  • Josh sets the scene: If you had to go on the run, how would you change your identity?
  • Rory jokes about superficial changes like shaving and getting a face tattoo:

    "I'd probably go get a face tattoo. Okay. There." (Rory Scoville, 03:23)

  • Josh points out: why not create a whole new nation with no extradition treaties?

    “You would create a new nation with no extradition treaty back to your home country.” (Josh Dean, 03:43)

2. The Sister City Scam – Kailasa’s Brief Affair with Newark

• [04:06]–[08:20]
  • January 2023: Newark’s mayor, Ross Baraka, and city council host a formal event to embrace their latest "sister city," the United States of Kailasa.
  • Kailasa presented as a Hindu utopia off Ecuador’s coast, with “representatives” in traditional attire and a slideshow of royalty-free music.
  • The ceremony ends with mutual speeches and signing, but six days later, a staffer discovers Kailasa doesn't exist:

    "The largest city in New Jersey agreed to a sister city agreement with a place that didn't exist. No one checked." (Josh Dean, 09:33)

  • The agreement is hastily canceled, leaving everyone wondering: was this a crime or just an elaborate prank?

3. Who is Swami Nithyananda? Fugitives, Fraudsters, and Fake Nations

• [10:35]–[20:49]
  • Swami Nithyananda, real name Arunachalam Rajasekaran, is an Indian fugitive with a self-inflated divine résumé:
    • Claims to heal the blind, possess x-ray vision, delay sunrise for up to 40 minutes, make cattle speak Tamil/Sanskrit, and even to "disprove E=mc²."
    • Hosts mock/react to these wild claims:

      “He can heal the blind and make adults grow up to three inches taller… I can't do four. Read the small print. I can't do four.” (Rory Scoville, 11:58)

  • In 2010, sex tape leaks; Nithyananda claims he’s impotent and simply doing a yoga pose.
  • Later accused—and then proven capable after medical tests—he switches his defense to “it was consensual.”
  • Charged with sexual assault, rape, kidnapping, and multiple frauds; flees India and establishes "Kailasa."
  • Manages to scam not just individuals, but city governments worldwide.

4. How Did So Many Governments Fall for It?

• [20:49]–[23:50]
  • At least 30 US cities, plus state governments and international officials, unwittingly recognized Kailasa in some form (sister cities, proclamations, Kailasa Days).
    • Cites cities: Texarkana (TX), Buena Park (CA), Canton (OH), Asheville (NC), etc.
    • Even mentions “certificate of special Congressional recognition”:

      “What the hell is happening in America? This is all happening at a time when Google could not be more accessible.” (Josh Dean, 21:34 & Rory Scoville, 21:57)

  • International victims included ex-Canadian PM Trudeau and a Paraguayan official.

5. What Was the Real Goal?

• [22:41]–[24:18]
  • Discussion: Was the whole sister city scam to give legal legitimacy to Kailasa and protect Nithyananda from prosecution?
  • Some posit it’s just for recruitment and PR—representing himself as a leader of a nation to his followers.

6. Kailasa at the United Nations and International Stage

• [28:40]–[32:30]
  • In February 2023, Kailasa’s representatives (with cardboard cutout of the guru) attend UN committee meetings in Geneva, speaking at sessions (their statements later stricken).
  • Photos ops galore: unsuspecting diplomats are posed with, then their faces used on Kailasa’s website as faux endorsements.

    "That's pretty smart move on their part… Not a bad move." (Rory Scoville, 31:10)

  • Kailasa reps were later arrested in Bolivia for attempting to scam indigenous groups into 1,000-year land leases; ultimately deported (not to Kailasa, which doesn’t exist).

7. Aftermath & Lessons

• [33:20]–[34:09]
  • Newark realizes it hadn’t paid dues to Sister Cities International in 14 years; after the scandal, they rejoin and form partnerships with real cities in Jamaica and Ecuador.
  • Kailasa scam exposes both the absurdity and potential danger in unchecked bureaucracy and how easy it is, in the internet age, to pull off an elaborate international con.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On how cities (and cults) get bamboozled:

  "I see our work here on Criminalists as a kind of master study of high functioning Ding Dongs… we will come to understand our dimmest bulbs a little better." (Josh Dean, 04:27)

• On the wildness of public officials just not checking:

  "It's not like this happened in a backwater town. Newark is the largest city in New Jersey." (Josh Dean, 09:31)
  "Who catfishes a city?" (Josh Dean, 09:53)

• Swami’s superpowers (mocked by the hosts):

  “He can delay the sunrise for up to 40 minutes… What weird Marvel adjacent comic book did this dude grow up with?” (Josh Dean & Rory Scoville, 12:12–12:18)

• On the “impotent” defense:

  “I love that he was just lying in a yoga pose. I'm assuming she was on top of him. So he's like, I don't know what she was doing. I was just doing yoga.” (Josh Dean, 16:36)

• On city governments getting duped:

  “You can't even Google.” (Josh Dean, 24:18 about the fired Paraguayan staffer)

• On statecraft as farce:

  "It's as though Parks and Rec was a documentary." (Josh Dean, 28:20)
  "If you act like you’re supposed to be there, you can kind of walk into any concert." (Rory Scoville, 28:53)

• On the surreality of it all:

  "Legitimately wouldn't know… talk about people that you could take advantage of." (Josh Dean, 32:44 discussing attempts to scam indigenous groups)

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Key Timestamps

• 02:38 – Opening fugitive hypothetical; how to escape capture
• 04:17 – Introduction to the Newark-Kailasa sister city saga
• 09:33 – Discovery that Kailasa is fake
• 10:35 – Who is Swami Nithyananda?
• 11:42 – Breakdown of Swami's "superpowers" and claims
• 13:04 – Interlife reincarnation trust "scam" explained
• 15:59 – Sex tape, legal defense, and criminal allegations
• 18:04 – Potency test debacle; switching stories
• 20:49 – Kailasa's international recognitions and scams
• 28:40 – Kailasa's incursion at the UN and international attempts
• 32:30 – Bolivian incident and conclusion
• 33:49 – Newark’s redemption and due diligence
• 34:36 – Lane Game segment (Dogman quiz)

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Tone & Style

• Wry, irreverent, skeptical; the hosts balance genuine wonder at bureaucratic incompetence with sharp humor and sarcasm.
• Dialogues keep the conversation lively, moving seamlessly from incredulous laughter to insightful critique.

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Memorable Segment

• “Lane Game” (34:36–41:13):
  A lighthearted quiz about the animated film Dogman, riffing on the “Godman” cult leader theme, closes out the episode with irreverent fun and pop culture references.

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Takeaways

• Is forming a fake nation and seeking diplomatic recognition a crime? (Usually not, until it turns to fraud or exploitation.)
• In the digital era, bureaucratic gullibility and minimal verification can be exploited at scale.
• The absurdity of the Kailasa story exposes both the banality of modern scams and the susceptibility of systems prioritizing ceremony over substance.
• Sometimes, real government feels indistinguishable from absurdist sitcoms.

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For Listeners

Whether you’re a true crime fan, a connoisseur of dumb criminal stories, or just want to laugh at the wild intersection of bureaucracy and human gullibility, Crimeless delivers an episode as wild as any Netflix documentary, with tons of side-eyes at the system.

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“Coming up with a country and establishing it. Not as hard as you would think.”
(Rory Scoville, 34:09)

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Transcript

[Josh Dean]

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.

[Rory Scoville]

This is Special Agent Riegel, Special Agent Bradley Hall.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau)]

In 2018, the FBI took down a ring of spies working for China's Ministry of State Security, one of the most mysterious intelligence agencies in the world.

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Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Nancy Glass]

I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt season two podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. The perpetrator was sentenced to 99 years until a confession changed everything.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau)]

I was a monster.

[Nancy Glass]

Listen to Burden of guilt season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get podcasts.

[Mind Games Host]

What if mind control is real?

[Josh Dean]

If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have?

[Mind Games Host]

Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car?

[Rory Scoville]

When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings.

[Mind Games Host]

Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?

[Rory Scoville]

I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.

[Mind Games Host]

Can you get someone to join your cult?

[Amanda Knox]

NLP was used on me to access my subconscious mind games.

[Mind Games Host]

A new podcast, exploring nlp, AKA neuro linguistic programming. Is it a self help miracle, a shady hypnosis scam? Or both? Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Amanda Knox]

I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast, the Case of Lucy Letby, we unpack the story of an unimaginable tragedy that gripped the UK in 2023. But what if we didn't get the whole story?

[Josh Dean]

Evidence has been made to fit. The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapsed.

[Amanda Knox]

What if the truth was disguised by a story we chose to believe?

[Lane Rose]

Oh, my God.

[Josh Dean]

I think she might be inn.

[Amanda Knox]

Listen to the case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Rory Scoville]

So what we're gonna do is you're gonna look at these magazines, et cetera, and if you become aroused, et cetera, then we'll know, et cetera, that, et cetera, you're guilty, et cetera.

[Nancy Glass]

Campsite media sparks.

[Rory Scoville]

Bless media.

[Josh Dean]

Rory, let's say you're a fugitive from the law, okay?

[Rory Scoville]

And I'm not. Just to be clear, for our audience I'm not. This is all just hypothetical.

[Josh Dean]

Wink, wink. Rory, you're a. You're a fugitive wanted by the law,

[Rory Scoville]

and I look like Harrison Ford.

[Josh Dean]

How are you getting away with it? How are you evading capture? What's your plan?

[Rory Scoville]

I'm literally doing everything Harrison Ford did. But, you know, the first thing I'm doing is shaving, getting a haircut, the obvious stuff, New clothes. I don't know the circumstances of my escape, but I'm definitely changing my exterior identity.

[Josh Dean]

But just haircut and beard, that's it.

[Rory Scoville]

I mean, I don't. What? I don't know. What else can you do? Could I just go get, like, an earring? Do you think that has enough of an effect?

[Josh Dean]

Like a really big dangly? Like a cross?

[Rory Scoville]

I'd probably go get a face tattoo. Okay. There.

[Josh Dean]

All right, Good, good. I like this plant. Okay. But even despite that amazing plan that you just came up with, you're thinking too small.

[Rory Scoville]

Oh, no.

[Josh Dean]

Okay. Because my master plan to turn you into a genius level criminal is clearly not working yet. Work in progress.

[Rory Scoville]

I'm inching.

[Josh Dean]

The answer I was looking for was that you would create a new nation with no extradition treaty back to your home country.

[Rory Scoville]

That seems like a lot of work. Wow.

[Josh Dean]

This week on Crimeless, we venture forth in search of nations that do not exist, that have been created in order to allow people to get away with crimes.

[Rory Scoville]

Nice.

[Josh Dean]

Welcome back to Crimeless, the podcast that celebrates the amazing creativity of the world's dumbest criminals. I'm Josh Dean.

[Rory Scoville]

And I am Rory Scoville.

[Josh Dean]

I see our work here on Criminalists as a kind of master study of high functioning Ding Dongs. I think over time, we will come to understand our dimmest bulbs a little better by starting to see patterns in their work. Yep. So we're in the process of becoming idiot profilers, Rory.

[Rory Scoville]

Right. And what two better men to do it.

[Josh Dean]

But. But I think we can agree that the criminals start to fall into, like, specific buckets. I think we're starting to have a few types this week, which relates to another one we've done recently. I would put in the category of gullible government officials.

[Rory Scoville]

Okay. Yep. Yeah, yeah.

[Josh Dean]

So to kick off this week, we found an incredible low quality video of this unprecedented moment in the history of Newark, New Jersey.

[Rory Scoville]

And what is this?

[Josh Dean]

So I'm going to explain to you basically what you're seeing there. Would you say it was like. It was like a gathering of officials in a room where some kind of ceremony was happening, right?

[Rory Scoville]

Yes.

[Josh Dean]

Okay. So what's happening there? This is January 2023. January being the month when Newark is absolutely splendid.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

Gotta get there in January. Yeah. About a dozen people have filed into City hall for a ceremony to celebrate Newark's newest sister city. And as I'm sure you know, sister cities, sometimes known as twin cities, are a partnership between two locations, countries or continents. Not always a city. So it's mostly a ceremonial thing, obviously, but these kinds of relationships can encourage trade and tourism between cities. And on this day in January 2023, Newark Mayor Ross Baraka welcomed representatives from the United States of Kailasa, or usk, a Hindu nation off the coast of Ecuador. To begin and perhaps break the awkward silence in the room, someone puts on a slideshow about Kailasa's history and culture. I think that's what we were watching at the top because they zoomed on a screen and there was some Hindu imagery. There was some music. An uplifting royalty free track plays underneath.

[Rory Scoville]

Great description. Royalty free track.

[Josh Dean]

The representatives from New York, including the mayor, appear to be scrolling on their phones while it runs. So they. Not super engaged. Not. Probably not the most important meeting of the day that the mayor.

[Rory Scoville]

Well, there's only a dozen people there, so clearly it's not the hottest ticket in town.

[Josh Dean]

So some council people from Newark share a few words on the importance of the partnership and what it means to stand united as sister cities. And the mayor says, quote, I pray that our relationship helps us to understand cultural, social and political development and improves the lives of everybody in both places. Then a representative from the United States of Kailasa. Speaks. Man, this is going to be a real test of my pronunciation, so apologies to these people.

[Rory Scoville]

Very excited to hear yourself.

[Josh Dean]

Doing my best. So the representative from Kailasa, her name is Vijay Priya. Yeah. Nuya Nanda Nuyananda. I think I did pretty well there.

[Rory Scoville]

I think that was. Yeah, I think that's probably right.

[Josh Dean]

Lane helped. I got some pronunciation cues. She's dressed in an orange and yellow sari, and she has a large tattoo of the founder of USK on her bicep.

[Rory Scoville]

Huh.

[Josh Dean]

Should we get matching tattoos?

[Rory Scoville]

I have wanted to do. I've pitched it several times. Don't on air, suddenly want to do it. Okay.

[Josh Dean]

I mean, I've got Eric Adams on my right bicep. So Mayor of my city.

[Lane Rose]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

Favorite mayors get you on the left. Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

Good. Anyway, Mayor Baraka, the 40th mayor in Newark history and son of the legendary poet and activist Amiri Baraka. So, you know, royalty in the African American community signs the official sister city agreement. Then hands are shaken and representatives from Kailasa pose for photos with their new friends. Siblings, I guess we could say, from New Jersey. Yep. And the United States of Kailasa and Newark, New Jersey are officially sister cities for six days.

[Rory Scoville]

Honestly, so much longer than I expected.

[Josh Dean]

Until some crackerjack employee at the mayor's office, I guess, opened Google. Guess what he learned when he typed

[Rory Scoville]

in, is this a real place?

[Josh Dean]

It's not a real place. When did you realize that, Rory?

[Rory Scoville]

I think when it was called the United States, I go. You just don't get that a lot

[Josh Dean]

in other places, especially on an island off the coast of Ecuador. How many states can there be on an island?

[Rory Scoville]

How many, how small are they? Everyone's house is a state, apparently. Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

Okay, so it's not a real country. It's not recognized by the UN or anyone in the international community. There is no island off the coast of Ecuador. Well, actually, there are a bunch of islands off the coast of Ecuador. The Galapagos, for instance, are off the coast of Ecuador. But Kailasa is not one of them. Yeah. And because there are no. There's no country of Kailasa, there's no cities in Kailasa, which is one of the many details the city of Newark somehow missed in its due diligence. Yeah, I think it's important to point out that Newark is, like, not a backwater. It's a pretty big city. Like, probably the largest city in New Jersey. I don't know that as a fact, Lane. Fact check.

[Lane Rose]

Yes, it's the largest city.

[Josh Dean]

So the largest city in New Jersey agreed to a sister city agreement with a place that didn't exist. No one checked. So, anyway, the mayor cancels the agreement on January 18th. City hall assures the people of Newark this will never happen again. Not on his watch. And after this sister city scam hit the news, a lot of people had very good questions to ask. Like, who catfishes a city?

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

And then this one, which, very relevant for our conversation. Is this even a crime?

[Rory Scoville]

Is catfishing a city a crime? I want to say it's not. It is, I'm sure, but I want to say it's not because, like, to get away with it. Then you know what? Good for you. It honestly, it feels more like a high level prank than a crime. Like high level prank is just below low level crime.

[Josh Dean]

Yeah, like there's some gray area at the border there.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, exactly. Yes.

[Josh Dean]

But actually, I think technically, since no money or goods were exchanged, nothing actually Illegal took place. But we are tiptoeing into fraud territory, right? Yeah. Yeah. Especially when I tell you about the guy behind this fake country.

[Rory Scoville]

If that was the guy in the video, then I am all ears.

[Josh Dean]

So his name is Swami Nithyananda. His official title is Supreme Pontiff of Hinduism, which I'm going to assume is not a real title.

[Rory Scoville]

Right.

[Josh Dean]

And Kailasa is his brainchild.

[Rory Scoville]

Yes.

[Josh Dean]

So Nithyananda was born in 1978 in India. His birth name is Arunachalam Rajas Rajasekaran. Rajasekaran. The good swami claims he was gifted spiritually at a very early age and first noticed by a guru when he was 3. And it's worth noting, I think, that our key source here is the swami.

[Rory Scoville]

Yep.

[Josh Dean]

So he claims he was noticed by a guru at three.

[Rory Scoville]

We could all claim guru attention at a young age. Who's going to look into that?

[Josh Dean]

Nithyananda claims he experienced full enlightenment at 22, and he has since amassed a following. Oh, my God. Of over a million people, which also is not a figure anyone has audited. So I think he claims a million followers. Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah. What's his social media look like? That's the only way to truly know. It's all bots.

[Josh Dean]

He also considers himself a God man who possesses some supernatural abilities that I'm going to walk you through now. He can heal the blind and make Jesus. I love this one. He can heal the blind and make adults grow up to three inches taller.

[Rory Scoville]

Okay. Very specific, very weird superpower. I love that. He's like, look, I can't do four. I can't do four. Read the small print. I can't do four.

[Josh Dean]

He also has X ray vision.

[Rory Scoville]

Okay.

[Josh Dean]

He can delay the sunrise for up to 40 minutes. What?

[Rory Scoville]

What weird Marvel adjacent comic book did this dude grow up with?

[Josh Dean]

He can make cattle speak in Tamil and Sanskrit, and he claims he can disprove Einstein's E equals MC squared. Wow.

[Rory Scoville]

Wow. He's like, let me. Here's all these little things I can do, but then let me go for the jugular.

[Josh Dean]

I love. It's an amazing collection of superpowers.

[Rory Scoville]

It's so weird. Like, why even bring up the sunrise thing if you have X ray vision? Why even bring that up?

[Josh Dean]

Also, why 40 minutes, 30 minutes, an hour.

[Rory Scoville]

Just bring up X ray vision and no one has any other questions about anything else.

[Josh Dean]

That's true. So during one conversation in front of an audience, it looks like some kind of live podcast. He endorsed the idea of the world's first interlife Reincarnation trust management. And here's how that works. Rich people like Bill Gates or Warren Buffett could invest a few billion dollars in a trust, and he would make sure that money is earmarked for their reincarnation.

[Rory Scoville]

Okay, I'm in.

[Lane Rose]

I have a video.

[Rory Scoville]

So this would be the world's first inter life reincarnation trust management.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau)]

Okay.

[Josh Dean]

I think if we do a little

[Rory Scoville]

more research and establish the authority, we can do that.

[Josh Dean]

I.

[Rory Scoville]

Look, I'm sold. It doesn't sound like a scam because why would that many people have clapped? Why would that. Why would that amount have clapped if it was wrong?

[Josh Dean]

It's. It's a fair point. I was gonna say. I. It wasn't like the most rousing. I mean, there was a lot of clapping. It wasn't like a roar.

[Rory Scoville]

So you said that was a podcast there. Look, I know everyone can't see it, but their setup is way better than ours.

[Josh Dean]

I believe one of them.

[Rory Scoville]

These two guys were on Thrones. They were on Thrones.

[Josh Dean]

We're just. We're just starting up.

[Rory Scoville]

Rory.

[Josh Dean]

We'll get there. We haven't.

[Rory Scoville]

We haven't started our own bank yet. So as soon as we start our own trust and our own bank, then we're going to be. You're going to see a lot of gold on this show, folks.

[Josh Dean]

They did have amazing bling, and they were sitting on gold throne. So, yes, agree. For the record, we are not sitting on Gold Throne. So you ready to join? You ready to sign up and be a follower?

[Rory Scoville]

I mean, I just.

[Josh Dean]

I.

[Rory Scoville]

In all seriousness, I don't know how people fall for this. I don't know how. Because it isn't that difficult to spot such an obvious scam. But yet, even proving that he has a million followers or doesn't, I wouldn't be surprised if he does.

[Josh Dean]

He has X ray vision. How could I not follow him? He's.

[Rory Scoville]

Honestly, I gotta follow him. He can see right through me. Literally. He literally. How did I get taller? How come I can dunk now? If he's a. If he's a scam artist, Meanwhile, they're

[Josh Dean]

like, prove that you can delay the sunrise. He's like, all right, what month are we in? We're in October. Okay, I'll do it on November 25th.

[Rory Scoville]

Why always that day?

[Josh Dean]

The sun will rise 40 minutes later on that day. Yeah. So I guess it's not a crime to consider yourself a God man. But gaining a following, the fame, the fortune, the power, you can imagine a lot of that stuff starts to Bend your moral compass just a little bit. Sure. And in 2010, a sex tape was leaked,

[Rory Scoville]

the curveball no one expected,

[Josh Dean]

featuring the guru and a pretty famous actress from India.

[Rory Scoville]

Oh, my gosh. I will say I am happy to know that considering yourself a God man is not a crime, because I would be in prison for life.

[Josh Dean]

So the guru denies any sex was happening, arguing that in the video, he was practicing the yoga pose in which you lie face up on the floor. Yeah. And because he's impotent, so it'd be impossible for him to have sex.

[Rory Scoville]

Oh, well, you know what? I've always appreciated his vulnerability.

[Josh Dean]

It's true.

[Rory Scoville]

His very public vulnerability.

[Josh Dean]

I love that he was just lying in a yoga pose. I'm assuming she was on top of him. So he's like, I don't know what she was doing. I was just doing yoga.

[Rory Scoville]

I look, I'm impotent. Everyone's like, and that's not one of the superpowers. You can't. You can't change that.

[Josh Dean]

Nope.

[Rory Scoville]

Nope.

[Josh Dean]

He also claims the video was doctored footage, which feels like a weird denial because I. You know, a dude who claims to have X ray vision and the ability to delay the sunrise, but he's embarrassed to have slept with some hot actress.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

Like, why? What's the denial there? Alas, that same year, a female disciple accused him of rape.

[Rory Scoville]

Okay, so there we go.

[Josh Dean]

So he's briefly arrested before making bail.

[Rory Scoville]

How come all the cult leaders have the exact same bio?

[Josh Dean]

It's really true. It's so true. What would he have said? Why he couldn't possibly have raped her?

[Rory Scoville]

Is it the impotent? Because he's impotent? That's what he said. Yep.

[Josh Dean]

That's right.

[Rory Scoville]

Man, this is. Maybe he's really thought this through.

[Josh Dean]

So in 2012, the Supreme Court in India ordered a medical test to be conducted, a potency test to prove whether he was telling the truth or not.

[Rory Scoville]

I was going to say, how do you. How do you prove this?

[Josh Dean]

I also. What an awkward test for a government court to perform. Like, what?

[Rory Scoville]

What'd they do, just show him some dirty magazines? They're like, is that doing anything? Is that helping? He's like, nope. He's, like, so focused.

[Josh Dean]

Nope. So our guy, Swami Nithyanda, is a slippery God, man. And he managed to put off the medical test until 2014, when the results came back that he was indeed capable of rising to the occasion, we should say.

[Rory Scoville]

Interesting. Yes.

[Josh Dean]

So then he changed his story. What do you think he said then? It wasn't Rape.

[Rory Scoville]

He said he has such a magical power, he changed it.

[Josh Dean]

No, he said it wasn't rape. It was consensual.

[Rory Scoville]

Could you imagine backpedaling out of that one very specific detail? Oh, no, no, no, no.

[Josh Dean]

Did I say impotent?

[Rory Scoville]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was consensual. I. You must have heard impotent.

[Josh Dean]

Anyway, in 2018, he's charged with sexual assault, rape, cheating, and criminal abatement, disappearance of evidence, giving false information, and criminal conspiracy. This time, the court issues a non bailable warrant for his arrest, but before they can cuff him, the Guru fled. Yeah, and that's not it. A separate police complaint was filed in 2019 accusing him of kidnapping and. Oh, God. Confining children at his ashram.

[Rory Scoville]

So this guy tried to. This guy, being the worst person, tried to get to the USK as fast as he possibly could.

[Josh Dean]

He's like, yep, okay, I'm out of lies. I'm like, not even. I'm an unrepentant scumbag now. Like, yeah, kidnapping kids, raping people, and yet still has a million followers somehow.

[Rory Scoville]

And they're like, look, it's the sunrise thing. I can't look past that.

[Josh Dean]

And of course, he also racked up a few fraud charges along the way. In France, a former devotee claimed he was deceived by the Guru, who now owes him US$400,000. One particular devotee. And since 2019, when those charges were filed, he's now been on the run from two jurisdictions, India and France. Yep, totally. See how Newark misses all this? Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

And honestly, that employee that found it, I guarantee you, was just an intern. And just Googled. What? What's this? Where is that?

[Josh Dean]

I've never heard of that.

[Rory Scoville]

Where is that? They googled it.

[Josh Dean]

And then at first was just like, oh, it's made up. This is funny. And then they're like, why was it made up?

[Rory Scoville]

Oh, well, then they. Hold on, let me google his name. They're like, whoa,

[Josh Dean]

you get to tell the mayor, not me.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

So he flees his home country and founds the United States of Kailasa, named after a mountain in the Himalayas, that it's considered home to the Hindu God Shiva. That's when he claims to have bought that island off the coast of Ecuador. And since founding this fake country on an island that does not exist just over six years ago, the Guru has been doing a lot of press for his newly foundation. Which brings us back to Newark, New Jersey.

[Rory Scoville]

Yep.

[Josh Dean]

According to some reports, 30 US cities have officially recognized Kailasa as a nation.

[Rory Scoville]

Oh, my God.

[Josh Dean]

Either in sisters city agreements, official documents of recognition, or in some cases, declaring an official Kailasa day.

[Rory Scoville]

What?

[Josh Dean]

If you go to Kailasa's website, they have a whole tab of all the cities and towns that recognize them, including but not limited to Texarkana, Texas, Buena Park, California, Canton, Ohio, Hollandale Beach, Florida, Asheville, North Carolina. I assumed they'd mostly be in Florida. I'm very bummed about Asheville.

[Rory Scoville]

Asheville is a bummer because I didn't know a lot of these cities were only had only child syndrome and were just. They'll do anything for a. For a sister or a brother.

[Josh Dean]

It's not just cities either, Rory. State governments can't resist handing out pointless awards either. According to Kailas website, admittedly not the most reliable source, the governor of Ohio handed out a proclamation of recognition. And Norma Torres, a congresswoman from California, also signed a certificate of special congressional recognition. What the hell is happening in America?

[Rory Scoville]

This is all happening at a time when Google could not be more accessible.

[Josh Dean]

So a spokeswoman for that congresswoman, by the way, in an interview with the New York Post, said the certificate was given to a local congregation by a former staffer upon learning of the very serious, incredible allegations against their leader. Our office promptly recalled the certificate. Yeah, throw the staff under the bus.

[Rory Scoville]

I mean, I guess it's just a certificate, right?

[Josh Dean]

I guess. But still, another spokesperson told the Post that they only found out about Nithyananda's concerning past quote after what happened in Newark. Yeah. Oh, my God. So what's the point of this, do you think? What is the guru crew trying to do here by going out? Because it feels like on one level, like maybe it's a bad idea to be bringing attention to himself.

[Rory Scoville]

Well, mine was the extradition that he. If he's there, he can't be charged or arrested.

[Josh Dean]

But there is no there.

[Rory Scoville]

I know, but he. But. But, you know, we're not going to look into that.

[Josh Dean]

Oh, he's outside the bounds. We can't get him. Interpol doesn't get him.

[Rory Scoville]

He's in the invisible base. Is that what he was hoping for? Was that his goal?

[Josh Dean]

I mean, we can't know exactly because he's on the run, but it's probably an attempt to legitimize Kailasa so that he has a country that allows his outlay. Outlandish lies and brazen lawbreaking. You know, fake it till you make it. And maybe sometime, like, maybe there is some place where he can like, get a country to give him, like, I don't know, a few acres. And, yeah, through some weird loophole in international law, he can declare himself a sovereign nation. Yeah, the other. The other theory is that it's a recruitment tactic. And according to a cult deprogrammer who spoke to the York Post, they suspect that the swami was also looking to raise his profile in the US and that this may have been part of that. So an investigation by India Today found that the Guru has been establishing charities and corporations all over the world to run its operations. There are at least 10 registered Kailasa organizations in the US alone.

[Rory Scoville]

Oh, my God.

[Josh Dean]

But we're not the only suckers out there, Rory.

[Rory Scoville]

Thank God. That's what I was going to ask.

[Josh Dean]

In 2021, former Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

[Rory Scoville]

Good.

[Josh Dean]

Signed a letter of support for Kailasa's Hindu Heritage Month.

[Rory Scoville]

Yes.

[Josh Dean]

And Paraguay's chief of staff for the Agricultural Ministry was quickly replaced after he admitted signing an official proclamation recognizing USK in 2023. Good.

[Rory Scoville]

I like that there was some punishment there.

[Josh Dean]

Dude, you're out.

[Rory Scoville]

You can't even Google.

[Josh Dean]

So, do you think this is the end of our story? I just.

[Rory Scoville]

That question alone makes me say no.

[Josh Dean]

Where do you think the US keg is going next? I'm going to tell you after the break.

[Amanda Knox]

In 2023, a story gripped the UK, evoking horror and disbelief.

[Rory Scoville]

The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is

[Josh Dean]

now the most prolific child killer in modern British history.

[Amanda Knox]

Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict. A villain, a nurse named Lucy Letby.

[Josh Dean]

Lucy Letby has been found guilty.

[Amanda Knox]

But what if we didn't get the whole story?

[Josh Dean]

The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses.

[Amanda Knox]

I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast, Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was.

[Josh Dean]

No voicing of any skepticism or doubt. It'll cause so much harm at every

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau)]

single level of the British establishment of this is wrong.

[Amanda Knox]

Listen to Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever. Wherever you get your podcasts.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau)]

China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside.

[Rory Scoville]

This is Special Agent Riegel, Special Agent Bradley Hall.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau)]

This MSS officer has no idea the US Government is onto him. But the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast.

[Josh Dean]

I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer.

[Rory Scoville]

No doubt, no question of his life,

[Josh Dean]

and that's a unicorn.

[Rory Scoville]

No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau)]

This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets.

Listen to the 6th Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Nancy Glass]

I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt season two podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumprite became the victim of a random crime.

[Josh Dean]

He pulls the gun, tells me to

[Rory Scoville]

lie down on the ground.

[Nancy Glass]

He identified Jermaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Jermaine was sentenced to 99 years.

[Josh Dean]

I'm like, lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity. The best lie is partial truth.

[Nancy Glass]

For 22 years, only two people knew the truth. Until a confession changed everything.

[Narrator (Sixth Bureau)]

I was a monster.

[Nancy Glass]

Listen to Burden of guilt season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Rory Scoville]

We've got 60 months, no interest, and free shipping.

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[Josh Dean]

This is crimeless. I love this story so much. I mean, I don't love the things that he did. Let's putting aside that he is a fucking terrible human being.

[Rory Scoville]

Horrible monster.

[Josh Dean]

But the rest of the stuff is. It's what's charming is the. Like that Parks and Rec was a documentary basically. Right? Like government officials.

[Rory Scoville]

That's actually a great description. It's literally as though they work in all of these offices to sign off on this stupid.

[Josh Dean]

Everybody is the parks, basically. The Parks and Rec.

[Rory Scoville]

Yes, exactly.

[Josh Dean]

Okay, so in February 2023, one month after marrying, then divorcing, Newark, New Jersey, representatives from the United States of Kailasa packed their bags for Geneva, Switzerland.

[Rory Scoville]

Here we go.

[Josh Dean]

They're going to visit an office of The United Nations.

[Rory Scoville]

This is like when people say, like, if you act like you're supposed to be there, you can kind of walk into any concert. And you and I, we don't have the confidence to do that.

[Josh Dean]

We do not.

[Rory Scoville]

This guy. This guy could see any band he wants on any day, but.

[Josh Dean]

Except, of course, the God man can't go himself, so he's got to send envoys on account of the whole rape and abduction charges. We don't totally know where God man is hanging out. So he's sending his people to the un. He sent his main lady, Vijayapriya, the same woman we saw in Newark. So she's like the envoy and a few other followers. And they brought a cardboard cutout of the swami.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

To the meetings. Yep.

[Lane Rose]

That's.

[Rory Scoville]

I meant that's not a bad move. That's good for photos.

[Josh Dean]

It's more Parks and Rec every. Like, you can. Like. I love the scene of them at a table.

[Rory Scoville]

In fact, even a writer's room for Parks and Rec is like, nah, we want to keep it a little grounded.

[Josh Dean]

So it's like UN people, Kailasa people. Cardboard cutout. Yeah. Which, by the way, doesn't fit in a bag. How do you get that on a plane?

[Rory Scoville]

I was about to say, do you have to buy a seat?

[Josh Dean]

So Vijay Priya speaks at two UN committee meetings. One on how women are represented in decision making systems. Like, so this is like some legit stuff. And another on sustainable development. So they're really in on like, we're going to. We're a nation of like. And these are important subjects that we take seriously in Kailasa. According to UN spokesperson, her contributions made at the meetings weren't relevant and would be scrapped from consideration. Which makes you wonder why they agreed to the meetings in the first place.

[Rory Scoville]

Exactly. I knew this would be a waste of time. That's why I agreed to do it. Oh, well,

[Josh Dean]

I mean, I think we could make a case that most meetings are pointless at all times. Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

But this one. Yeah, this one in particular.

[Josh Dean]

Maybe I should have known when they showed up with the cardboard cutout.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah. That these were goofy clowns coming to town.

[Josh Dean]

But it actually appears they were there really for another reason. Photo ops. Yes. The Kailasa representatives posed with ambassadors and staff from Egypt, United Arab Emirates, Bangladesh, Lebanon, Lithuania and more. It's unclear if the staffers knew exactly who they were talking to. And a few of them didn't even seem to realize they were in pictures or that these photos would soon appear on a fake country's website as evidence that it wasn't bullshit.

[Rory Scoville]

Not a bad move. That's pretty smart move on their part.

[Josh Dean]

It is. You're like, I mean, how can we be fake? Here's me and the ambassador of Lithuania, right? Yeah. Yeah. A spokeswoman, spokesperson for Lithuania's mission to the UN confirmed that someone from the Baltic republic did, quote, listen to their concerns. But since the meeting did not take place with the official representative of Lithuania, it does not represent any national position on Kailasa.

[Rory Scoville]

Smart.

[Josh Dean]

Love the like hair splitting and like, excuse making that happens afterwards.

[Rory Scoville]

I know that's a good backpedal. You know, they could have saved money and just printed cardboard cutouts of the other people and never flown anywhere.

[Josh Dean]

One of my takeaways is that diplomacy is fucking weird. Like, like how much, like what is happening on a daily basis at the Geneva. Geneva office of the un?

[Rory Scoville]

Just like, time for this. Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

I mean, this is really very fun to talk about some jokesters tricking government officials into legitimizing their fake island. But I think we need to remember that underneath it all, this is a religious culture. And recently Kailasa tried to make some big and to me, scary moves. In fact, in April 2025, Bolivian officials arrested 20 people from Kailasa. I love that we're still saying from Kailasa

[Rory Scoville]

even we are getting roped into, like just completely giving it some sort of justification for a real place.

[Josh Dean]

So these people are arrested and accused of land trafficking. They were attempting to negotiate 1000 year leases with indigenous groups in the Amazon. Yeah, the nerve of these motherfuckers.

[Rory Scoville]

1000 year leases with people who, like,

[Josh Dean]

legitimately wouldn't know if, like, if the point of these indigenous groups is probably not to be connected to the modern world. So, like, talk about people that you could take advantage of. Like, well, yeah, we're from Kailasa. So the Kailasians were deported from Bolivia but not back to Kailasa because I should remind you that place does not fudgeing exist.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, they were on the plane. I don't even know where to go. What's the airport code again?

[Josh Dean]

K A I. They're sent back to their actual home countries of India, the United States, Sweden and China. And where is our guru Nithyananda? He's still on the run, perhaps coming to take over and rebrand a remote island near you.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

And as for Mayor Ross Baraka's Newark, after the whole sister city scam, his staff did a sort of internal audit and they learned that they shouldn't really be throwing stones because Newark hadn't paid its dues to Sister Cities International, the group that oversees the whole universe for 14 years. Oh. Now, I'm thrilled to report that Newark is out of arrears and back in the good graces of Sister Cities International. And not only that, they've joined hands with two new sister cities.

[Rory Scoville]

Oh.

[Josh Dean]

Morant Bay, Jamaica, and Chunchi, Ecuador.

[Rory Scoville]

Okay.

[Josh Dean]

Which I'm going to assume they Googled beforehand.

[Rory Scoville]

I'm going to assume those are real just because they involve real words that describe real places.

[Josh Dean]

And that is the story of Kailasa, man.

[Rory Scoville]

A lot to take away there. Coming up with a country and establishing it. Not as hard as you would think.

[Josh Dean]

I think for a future episode, we should see if we can get a meeting at the UN office in Geneva, though. Yes, let's send an email. All right, it's time for our final segment.

[Rory Scoville]

Lane game.

[Josh Dean]

This week it's a crimeless manhunt. We're gonna choose our teams and go in search of the swami.

[Rory Scoville]

Yes.

[Josh Dean]

Whoever finds him first gets $50 in Teemu points. And to be the official crimeless ambassador to Kailasa.

[Rory Scoville]

I love a Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego style? Lane game.

[Josh Dean]

Kidding. There'll be no manhunt this week. I think that's illegal. Lane, what are we doing?

[Lane Rose]

So today we learned about Nithyanda, a self proclaimed God man, A spiritual healer with a cult like following. And today I want to ask you about Dogman, the 2025 animated film from DreamWorks.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

Oh, just like a slight mix up of the letters.

[Lane Rose]

Did you guys see this movie or hear about it? Nope.

[Rory Scoville]

I know of it.

[Josh Dean]

One of my kids loves Dogman. Which does not mean that I've paid any attention to the books while reading them at night. Disassociating from the words.

[Lane Rose]

Okay, so you have an upper hand.

[Josh Dean]

So not Godman, Dogman.

[Lane Rose]

Dogman, the 2025 animated film.

[Josh Dean]

Okay. Yep.

[Lane Rose]

So Dogman stars a hero. You guessed it. Who is half dog, half man, half. How was Dogman born?

[Josh Dean]

Oh, God.

[Rory Scoville]

I don't want to say bestiality.

[Josh Dean]

That's why we're NC17.

[Rory Scoville]

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know much about Dogman.

[Josh Dean]

Either the dog or the person died. I think there was a surgery involved. I feel like this is a Frankenstein situation. Am I right?

[Lane Rose]

Yeah, you're right. There's a surgery involved. Yes. The villainous orange cat, Petey, plants a bomb. And then the famed cop, officer Knight and his dog Greg, diffuse the bomb. But the wire explodes and they both get very injured. So two females. I don't know why they specify female surgeons. It feels a little like this. But two surgeons save the officer and the dog, but they stitch them together to create dog man.

[Rory Scoville]

Dog man sounds right.

[Josh Dean]

Okay, one for me.

[Lane Rose]

All right.

[Rory Scoville]

This does sound like children's cartoon. Okay, got it.

[Lane Rose]

Yeah. So the first act of the film parallels the plot of this 1987 movie starring Peter Weller, in which the title character must come to terms with his new identity while mourning his past.

[Josh Dean]

Rory, do you know?

[Rory Scoville]

No, I don't.

[Josh Dean]

I do. I know. I got this one. It's Robocop.

[Lane Rose]

It is RoboCop.

[Rory Scoville]

Is it RoboCop? You guys didn't give me a chance. I didn't actually get a chance.

[Lane Rose]

Okay, question three. Dogman's arch nemesis is Petey, an orange tabby, self proclaimed the world's most evilest cat. Who voices Petey in the film?

[Josh Dean]

Let's say Seth Rogen.

[Rory Scoville]

I'm going to go. Tom Selleck.

[Josh Dean]

Very timely guest by Rogan.

[Lane Rose]

Very timely. Nope, sorry. It was Pete Davidson.

[Rory Scoville]

Oh, Petey the cat should have been Tom Selleck.

[Lane Rose]

In the film, Petey steals the body of an evil fish named Flippy, voiced by Ricky Gervais. What special power does Flippy possess?

[Rory Scoville]

He can make the sun come. Okay, probably not that. It's probably not that.

[Josh Dean]

A superpower. I'm gonna go. He can fly.

[Rory Scoville]

I was gonna say he can fly.

[Josh Dean]

Teleport.

[Rory Scoville]

Just so we have different answers.

[Lane Rose]

Rory was closer. It's telekinesis.

[Josh Dean]

Oh, you get a half point.

[Lane Rose]

Half point?

[Rory Scoville]

I get a half point for tele.

[Lane Rose]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

Had you said telephone, we'd be tied.

[Lane Rose]

Dogman is based on author Dave Pilkey's children's graphic novel of the same name. It is a spin off in a story within a story of his most famous series. What is that series?

[Josh Dean]

Oh, I know this one too. This is not fair because I, unlike Rory, would be kicking my ass in the Bluey. The Bluey quiz. I. I have an unfair advantage here because I. This is Captain Underpants.

[Lane Rose]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

Okay. All right. I was going to say Captain Underpants, but I was like, you know what? I'm racking up too many points here.

[Lane Rose]

I gotta pull back this next one Rory might get because it's more of a film industry question. Okay, Right now, Dogman is ranked fifth in the top grossing films domestically from 2025. Name the top four from this year.

[Rory Scoville]

Oh, my God.

[Josh Dean]

We should say this is being recorded in May, early May. So this would Be. Yeah, the first.

[Rory Scoville]

Almost first half of the year of 2025. God, I don't follow anything. I don't know.

[Lane Rose]

I'm really depressing.

[Josh Dean]

Rory, that was so sad. That was very sad, the way you

[Rory Scoville]

said that, because I feel like I should know it. Something. I don't go to the movies. Something just came out that is like.

[Josh Dean]

People are very excited about. It's true. People.

[Rory Scoville]

People are very excited about. And I'm blanking.

[Josh Dean]

Two things have recently come out that people are very excited about. One of those things is for kids, which is the number one answer. You know, a big kid. Minecraft is number one.

[Rory Scoville]

Minecraft. That's what I was thinking.

[Josh Dean]

Jack Black, Sin. Well, do I have to get him in order? Sinners is definitely somewhere there.

[Lane Rose]

Sinners is Minecraft is first. Sinners is number three.

[Josh Dean]

There was a Captain America movie.

[Lane Rose]

That's number two.

[Josh Dean]

Look at that.

[Rory Scoville]

Oh, my God.

[Lane Rose]

Captain America. Brave New World. And then number four might be tough because I was surprised about this one.

[Rory Scoville]

My Dinner with Andre Redux.

[Lane Rose]

No, no.

[Josh Dean]

You're between Tom Selleck and that. They're like, this guy is a Hollywood insider.

[Rory Scoville]

I just love someone putting the money up. I think it's time we bring back My Dinner with Andre. These remakes. These remakes are working.

[Josh Dean]

Can I even name one more movie that's come out in 20? I may have named the only movies that I can name from 2020.

[Rory Scoville]

I can't at all.

[Lane Rose]

I'll give you a hint. It's a Disney movie that they kind of. They're going back to the well.

[Josh Dean]

Oh, it was the one that flopped. Oh, not Sleeping beauty?

[Lane Rose]

No.

[Rory Scoville]

Moana 2.

[Lane Rose]

No, but that's a good answer. It's Mufasa, the Lion King.

[Rory Scoville]

Mufasa.

[Lane Rose]

Snow White was number six. Moana was number. Moana II was number eight.

[Rory Scoville]

Oh, okay.

[Lane Rose]

The dog part of Dogman is what breed of dog?

[Rory Scoville]

Oh, I don't know this.

[Josh Dean]

Just guess and breed. Rory.

[Rory Scoville]

Cocker spaniel. There's no way that's right.

[Josh Dean]

I'm saying. Is it a beagle?

[Lane Rose]

You guys are both frog. It's a golden retriever.

[Josh Dean]

Come on. That is the most. If we were ranking the most human like breeds, Golden Retriever would be number one.

[Rory Scoville]

But Golden Retriever should have been the. I can't believe I didn't guess that.

[Lane Rose]

And that's. That's Dogman. Godman.

[Rory Scoville]

Dogman God, man.

[Josh Dean]

We can tally the scores, but I'm.

[Lane Rose]

You won.

[Rory Scoville]

Pretty sure you won.

[Josh Dean]

It was unfair. Crimeless is a production of Smartless Media. Campside Media and Big Money players in partnership with iHeart podcasts. It's hosted by Rory Scovel and me, Josh Dean. Our senior producer is Lane Rose. Emma Siminoff is our Associate producer. This episode was written by Lane Rose and me Josh Dean. We're sound, designed and engineered by Blake Rook with support from Ewan Leitramuin. Mark McAdam composed our theme song. The executive producers at Campside Media are Vanessa Gregoriadis, Matt Sher and me Josh Dean. The executive producers for iHeart podcast and Big Money plus players are Jack O', Brien, Lindsey Hoffman and Matt Apodaca. For Smartless Media, the executive producers are Will Arnett, Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes and Richard Corson. Bernie Kaminski is head of production. The Associate producer is Matty McCant. A special thanks to our operations team, Ashley Warren and Sabina Mara. Do you have a question, comment or confession for the Crimless team? Email us@crimeless campside media.com and if you enjoyed Crimeless, please rate and review the show wherever you get your podcasts. It helps people find the show and also makes us feel validated. Unless you're mean, in which case keep it to yourself. We'll see you next week. Crimeless Nation. This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.