Is your dentist a fake?

Summary

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CrimeLess Podcast: "Is Your Dentist a Fake?" (June 17, 2026)

Hosts: Rory Scoville (comedian) & Josh Dean (journalist, true crime podcaster)
Guest appearance: Lane Rose (senior producer)
Episode Theme:
A hilariously alarming deep dive into the world of unlicensed dentists and wild dental scams, exploring why fake dentistry is more common than you’d expect, how these fraudsters get away with it, and why you should always check your dentist's credentials.

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Main Episode Theme

This episode exposes the bizarre, disturbing, and sometimes oddly impressive underworld of fake dentists in America and beyond. Rory and Josh recount true stories ranging from street dentistry, cosmetic scam clinics, and meth-dealing denture makers to a family-run YouTube-educated dental practice in Eastern Europe. They unpack the historic and regulatory reasons America's oral health is at risk—from the days of barber-surgeons to today’s social media scam artists—and share practical advice for listeners (“Look up your dentist!”).

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dentistry & Trust: A Comical (but Serious) Premise

• [02:13-04:42]
  • Only two people are supposed to have access to your mouth: lovers and dentists.
  • The hosts trade jokes about dental visits and the universal shame about not flossing enough.
  • “If it felt as arousing as using a Q-tip, I’d do it more often.” – Rory
  • Sets up the week’s topic: real-world nightmares of people who didn’t vet their dentist.

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2. True Tales of Fake Dentists

• Monica Bailey & "Dr." Monica Davis (Chicago) [03:55-05:14]

  • Bailey finds her dentist on social, only to later discover Davis is arrested for unlicensed dentistry.
  • Braces were simply glued on cosmetically; other patients had teeth chip or fall out.
  • Quote:
    “She just glued some stuff on her teeth. They weren’t doing anything.” – Josh [04:52]

• Historical Precedents: The Wild History of Dentistry [06:43-12:21]

  • From Medieval barber-dentists to street dentists in 1920s NYC.
  • The saga of “Painless Parker,” a legitimate dentist-turned-circus performer offering tooth pulls for 50 cents and cocaine injections (and distracting brass bands to mask patient screams).
  • Memorable Quote:
    "He wore a top hat, coattails, and a necklace made of teeth." – Josh [10:35]
    “The guy from Monopoly is a dentist, and he’s injecting you with cocaine.” – Rory [10:39]

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3. Modern Fake Dentistry—Scams Across the U.S.

• Yolani Mejia Carranza (NY) [12:42-13:35]

  • Ran a dental practice out of her home for 8 years, no license, no anesthesia.

• Isidro de Jesus Mujeres (San Antonio) [13:35-14:32]

  • 8-hour in-home dental procedure, 12 rounds of anesthesia, no clowns or entertainment.
  • Quote:
    “That person was in a Saw movie, and they didn’t know it. Real-life Saw.” – Rory [14:20]

• Social Media "Veneer Technicians" [14:44-17:32]

  • Emily Martinez (Florida): beauty bar owner, offered "veneers" applied with nail glue. Multiple infections and emergency surgeries ensued.
  • Brandon Dillard (Atlanta): Instagram dentistry influencer with 157k followers, did celebrity "veneers" (no dental license), arrested after victims suffered pain, broken teeth, and nerve damage.
    • Quote:
      “‘Brandon did mine and went to jail before my next appointment for my two bridges I paid for…I’m pissed about the bridges, but to be honest, he did a really good job with my veneers.’” – Facebook group member, read by Josh [18:37]

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4. Why Is It So Easy to Be a Fake Dentist?

• [24:34-27:14]

  • Not uniquely American—Italy once reported 1 in 5 unqualified dentists; a Roman dentist was actually a plumber.
  • A Czech family (son, mom, dad) ran a home dental clinic after learning from YouTube videos; made $185k before arrest.
    • Quote:
      “Maybe the kid was a dental savant. Maybe the school of YouTube is an acceptable dental university.” – Josh [27:59]

• Regulatory gaps allow scammers to hop states.

  • No national tracking; enforcement varies.
  • “It falls on the individual states to respond to complaints, investigate, and charge the fakers. Which is why you have people who can get arrested in one state, post bail, and start over in a different part of the country.” – Josh [28:21]

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5. When Denture Labs Meet Laundromats (Arizona Case Study) [28:42-33:55]

• Tom Elam ran a denture lab and laundromat with same phone number, painted his own signs. Admits criminal record (including selling meth) and lack of license—because in Arizona, dental labs aren't regulated.
• Board of Dental Examiners appears indifferent and unprepared; loopholes and lack of transparency abound.
• “I worked for a dentist in my 20s. My father-in-law was a dentist.” – Tom Elam (via news report)
• Memorable exchange:
  “I can't go to a dentist with hand-painted teeth on their sign.” – Josh [30:31]
  “You don't want your lab to be in a laundromat.” – Rory [30:39]

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6. Crimeless PSA — How to Check Your Dentist [34:09-35:44]

• The hosts and producer Lane demonstrate looking up their dentists on the state board website (spoiler: not all states make it easy).
• Lane admits: “I've definitely been to a dentist that's not registered…” [35:29]
• Advice: Use your state's dental board search (unless you’re in Arizona).

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7. Game Segment: "Tooth Hurty" & Trivia [40:09-44:54]

• Lane’s punny game (What’s a dentist’s favorite time? “Tooth Hurty!”) leads to a historical event time-trivia quiz, escalating from 9/11 to the Titanic sinking and royal weddings.
• “How can this be a game, Lane? Who are you? Who have you become?” – Rory [41:25]

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International Cases & Broader Context

• Fake dentists operate worldwide (Italy, Czech Republic)—not just a U.S. issue.
• Fake qualifications, family-run scam “clinics,” and cross-border hopscotching are all enabled by a lack of regulatory oversight.

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Memorable/Nightly Quotes

• “If it felt as arousing as using a Q-tip, I’d do it more often.” – Rory [03:32]
• “The guy from Monopoly is a dentist, and he’s injecting you with cocaine.” – Rory [10:39]
• “I’m also easily influenced.” – Rory (as an influencer reacting to a scam clinic, mocking Instagram culture) [18:26]
• “Maybe the school of YouTube is an acceptable dental university.” – Josh [27:59]
• “I can’t go to a dentist with hand-painted teeth on their sign.” – Josh [30:31]
• “I have gone to this dental practice that I’ve gone to, and they have—that dentist has left…and there’s now a new dentist there. It seems like such an intense, massive setup, I would be shocked to find it was fake.” – Rory, on not knowing his dentist’s name [34:17]

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:13] – Main episode content begins: trust and dentists
• [03:55] – Monica Bailey fake dentist case
• [06:43] – History of dentistry: from barbers to circus shows
• [12:42] – Modern cases: home “clinics” and social media scams
• [14:44] – Exposé on “veneer technicians” and fake cosmetic dentistry
• [24:34] – International fake dentist tales, Italy and Czech Republic
• [28:42] – Arizona’s meth-dealing denture maker
• [34:09] – Hosts audit their own dentists’ credentials
• [40:09] on – “Tooth Hurty” time-based historical events game

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Practical Takeaway (Crimeless PSA)

Check your dentist’s credentials!

• Most states have a dental board website for patient verification.
• Don’t rely on Instagram followers or strip mall signage.

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Tone & Style

• Fast-paced, irreverent, and full of shocking-but-true stories.
• Hosts embrace dark humor and self-deprecation: they vacillate between horror, fascination, and helplessness at the breadth of fake dentistry.
• Frequent asides, puns, and quips make the parade of scams feel both like a true crime show and a stand-up act.

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For Listeners:

You’ll never look at your dentist the same way again—and you might just check their license before your next cleaning.

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(For brevity, advertisement segments and sponsor messages such as health insurance and car promos, were excluded from this summary.)

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[Rory Scoville]

Suck all that spit out of me.

[Josh Dean]

Campsite media. So your mouth is a very sacred space. You only allow two types of people access to it. Lovers.

[Rory Scoville]

This is an incredible start.

[Josh Dean]

And dentists.

[Rory Scoville]

That's right.

[Josh Dean]

And maybe your dentist is your lover, in which case they are very familiar with your canines.

[Rory Scoville]

Or like when a dog wants to give you a kiss, they just can't get away from your nose and your mouth and they stick their tongue into your Nostrils. And while it does feel bad, it is like it's cleaning it up in there. And so you. You allow it. Right. You were also going to say that.

[Josh Dean]

I was. I mean, you took the word for it out of my mouth. Are you good about going to the dentist?

[Steph]

No.

[Josh Dean]

Well, let's be honest. Do you floss regularly?

[Rory Scoville]

I don't. I hardly ever floss.

[Josh Dean]

Do you, like, brush?

[Rory Scoville]

All the time. But my issue is that I don't.

[Josh Dean]

Do you lie when they ask you when you. When you do go to the dentist?

[Rory Scoville]

No, because I know they're going to find out when they clean my teeth.

[Josh Dean]

When your gums just start bleeding profusely.

[Rory Scoville]

Exactly. And they're like, clearly you don't floss.

[Josh Dean]

I know. I feel like none of. No one actually does. We all get caught. Like, they're like, every time I. My entire life, every time I've been told I need to keep doing it, and I'm like, I promise next time I will.

[Rory Scoville]

I do start to, and then I just stop. I don't even. I don't know why. I actually kind of like it. It feels good, but I don't do it.

[Josh Dean]

I don't either.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah. If it felt as arousing as using a Q tip, I would do it more often.

[Josh Dean]

So maybe it's a design issue with the floss.

[Rory Scoville]

I think it's a design issue, and I've said that since I was a kid.

[Josh Dean]

Let's talk to big floss. Let's get that fixed. So I ask all these important questions because today's episode is full of cautionary tales from people who. Who did not vet their dentists well enough before they opened their mouths.

[Rory Scoville]

Good.

[Josh Dean]

Take, for example, Monica Bailey, who lives in the Chicago suburbs close to Lane. She found her dentist, Dr. Monica Davis. Same first name. On social media, Dr. Davis claimed to be changing lives one smile at a time. At her Schaumburg, Illinois practice. The veneer experts. Bailey and her daughter both got braces from the veneer experts. Everything seemed fine. Their braces looked normal. But when Bailey went to make a follow up, she couldn't get a hold of Dr. Davis. One of her numbers was completely disconnected. The other just rang and rang and no one ever answered. So Bailey starts to do some digging. She discovers that her dentist had been arrested for practicing dentistry without a license in Las Vegas just a few weeks prior.

[Rory Scoville]

Oh, man.

[Josh Dean]

And when a real dentist looked at the braces she'd installed, she told Bailey that they were useless. They were purely cosmetic. She just, like, glued some stuff on her teeth. They weren't doing anything. Yeah, but the Baileys may have been lucky patients because another of the customers had his tooth chipped just days before he got his veneers. A third client's molar just fell out after her appointment.

[Rory Scoville]

Man.

[Josh Dean]

Monica Davis turned herself in the Schaumburg police after seeing a warrant for her arrest. In July of 2025, she pleaded guilty to performing dental procedures without a license, which is a felony. And yet another crime I'm learning about for the first time on this show.

[Rory Scoville]

Shame I never even considered.

[Josh Dean]

Seems like some bizarro one off crime. But no, Rory, America is lousy with fake dent. Today on Crimeless, we've got combination nail salon dental practices, suspiciously affordable veneers, and some actual clowns deployed in the practice of dentistry.

[Rory Scoville]

Great. I love it.

[Josh Dean]

That's all coming up this week on Crimeless. Welcome back to Crimeless, the podcast that celebrates the amazing creativity of the world's dumbest criminals, while also reminding you to floss the.

[Brian]

Yep.

[Josh Dean]

I'm Josh Dean. Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

So there's health to it. And I'm Maurice Scoville.

[Josh Dean]

What's the most extreme dental procedure you've ever had?

[Rory Scoville]

Probably getting my wisdom teeth removed.

[Josh Dean]

Same.

[Rory Scoville]

Nothing crazy. I've never had braces or anything. So kind of.

[Josh Dean]

That wisdom teeth was no joke. I feel like I was, like, laid up for a couple days afterwards.

[Rory Scoville]

It's no joke. I definitely was laid up for a couple days and I was very out of it once I had it done.

[Josh Dean]

With the stuff packed into your gums?

[Rory Scoville]

Yep.

[Josh Dean]

Were you a kid or an adult?

[Rory Scoville]

I was adult, but kid adult. I was like, 20. Yeah, right.

[Josh Dean]

Right out of college. I think that's when I did it, too. So I don't love the dentist. In fact, I'm overdue for cleaning. And now after researching this episode, though, I've unlocked some new fears.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, me too.

[Josh Dean]

Because we found so many stories of people pretending to be dentists. There were so many to choose from, and they all made my skin crawl a little bit.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

So I'm going to share them with you so that your skin can crawl too.

[Rory Scoville]

Good.

[Josh Dean]

Thank you for sharing. But before we jump in teeth first, I want to go back a little bit because the history of dentistry is kind of weird and it actually explains why there are so many fake dentists out there. In the Middle Ages, the first people to practice dentistry would also cut your hair. They were called guild barbers, and they were more educated than your average haircutter. They were qualified to do dental surgeries and other Basic surgeries.

[Rory Scoville]

I do like this one stop shopping kind of thing here.

[Josh Dean]

I agree. Because I don't like getting my hair cut, but often feel like I want to get a haircut and I don't like going to the dentist or the doctor. So if I could combine multiple things that I don't like into one sitting, I think I would go more often.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, I agree.

[Josh Dean]

Let's bring this back.

[Rory Scoville]

Yep.

[Josh Dean]

So we would like to restore the era of hair cutters who also do dentistry.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah. Yes.

[Josh Dean]

Those were simple times. So modern dentistry split from the hair salon in the 18th century in France, after the first scientific book on the practice of dentistry was published. Start training. Seriously. In Europe, when word got out about the colonies across the pond, dentists started immigrating. So dentistry in the US Is as old as our country. So we got very experienced dentists. The first native born dentist started practicing around 1780. And get this, Rory Paul Revere was a dentist.

[Rory Scoville]

Oh.

[Josh Dean]

He is considered America's first forensic dentist, in fact. Oh, yeah. So he didn't just ride around on a horse.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, that really gets buried under the saving portion of his heroism.

[Josh Dean]

He just gets credit for riding a long distance yelling that the British were coming. Exactly. Crimeless. Making you better at trivia since 2025.

[Rory Scoville]

How unfortunate to only be known for that heroic deed.

[Josh Dean]

What about my forensic dentistry?

[Rory Scoville]

That was the first.

[Josh Dean]

The world's first dental school was founded in 1840 in Baltimore. For the first time, you could earn your dds, Doctor of Dental Surgery and join the American Society for Dental Surgeons, the world's first national dental organ. So we have a rich history here.

[Rory Scoville]

Okay.

[Josh Dean]

In that era, America was home to 300 trained and certified dentists. The problem was the population was 17 million by then. So if you were lucky, your dentist was one of those 300. But more likely, the person extracting your tooth was a freelancer or. You're gonna love this term, Rory. A street dentist.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, I gotta say, street dentists, Freelance dentistry. These are. You are right. This is all unlocking new fears for sure.

[Josh Dean]

Street dentist. It's got a real ring to it, man.

[Rory Scoville]

Street. I'm a street dentist.

[Josh Dean]

So there were more than a thousand dental parlors in New York City by 1923. Each one basically just a pop up shop for getting your cavities drilled by some rando.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

So it was just like a bodega, I guess, but it did dentistry. A thousand of them.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah. And you'd have no idea. You'd be like, I guess this one.

[Josh Dean]

Yeah. And probably the most questionable Dentist in history was probably a man named Edgar R.R. parker. His nickname was Painless Parker.

[Rory Scoville]

Oh, wow.

[Josh Dean]

He wasn't even a freelance dentist. He actually graduated from Philadelphia Dental College. But he was the bad boy of dentistry. You're gonna like this guy. BBD Rather than opening some fancy pants shop with his framed diploma on the wall, Painless Parker chose to work as a street dentist. So he had a degree, but he wanted to be a street dentist. He's like, that's just how I roll.

[Rory Scoville]

Yep.

[Josh Dean]

He wasn't a corporate sellout, so he's propositioning folks on the sidewalk. He could pull your teeth for 50 cents a tooth. You get five bucks back if it hurt. His trick, he injected the patient with watered down cocaine.

[Rory Scoville]

Okay, I actually like that.

[Josh Dean]

You can see why he was so popular.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, I mean, that's the guy I'm gonna go to. Give me something, you know?

[Josh Dean]

He also employed musicians to serenade and draw crowds in. In 1913, he partnered with a former employee of P.T. barnum and created a traveling dentist circus.

[Rory Scoville]

This guy gets it.

[Josh Dean]

He wore a top.

[Rory Scoville]

This guy truly gets it.

[Josh Dean]

He wore a top hat, coattails, and a necklace made of teeth.

[Rory Scoville]

The guy from Monopoly is a dentist,

[Josh Dean]

and he's injecting you with cocaine. And he's injecting you with cocaine.

[Rory Scoville]

Which I gotta assume is counterintuitive to having someone sit still with their mouth open.

[Josh Dean]

Yeah, you'd think maybe more of an opiate. Something that would chill you out.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, you would think. Not the high energy, get up and move type drink.

[Josh Dean]

The thing that makes people like, yeah,

[Rory Scoville]

I've got a knife in your mouth. You gotta stop.

[Josh Dean]

At his show, he'd plant a person in the audience and pretend to extract one of their molars. In reality, he'd already pulled a tooth, but to the audience, the procedure looked painless. Yeah, he had clowns, contortionists, a full band, all to distract very real patients who would climb on stage and into the chair after the fake patient. When the extraction did indeed turn out to be painful, Parker would tap his foot on the ground to signal the brass band to play louder to cover the screams and moans of the patient.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

Parker's traveling circus gained public attention and widespread scrutiny. In 1915, he was accused of breaking a false advertisement law by claiming that his practice was painless. So to skirt charges, he legally changed his first name to Painless. Yeah, so he was now a new person. Yeah, and he just continued the tour with the clowns in the band.

[Rory Scoville]

I mean, this guy's really thought of it all.

[Josh Dean]

His license was revoked in several states and he was constantly sued, but nevertheless, he persisted. He created a successful dental practice. He employed a dental staff of over 240 people, and he made more than $3 million a year.

[Rory Scoville]

Yep. There you go. And imagine what that was worth back then.

[Josh Dean]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

$3 million then had to be like a billion dollars.

[Josh Dean]

He was a titan of industry. His industry being like shady dentistry.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

Painless Parker paved the way for many dentists, both in raising awareness for shady practices, but also proving you can be successful even if you were unqualified at your job. God bless America. The land of opportunity. Yeah, we specialize in that.

[Malcolm Glebel]

Yes.

[Josh Dean]

You could argue we're run by people who are unqualified for the.

[Rory Scoville]

You could argue that.

[Josh Dean]

Now that I know about Painless Parker, the fake dentists of today need to brush up on their showmanship, in my opinion. Take for example, Yolani Mejia Carranza. She practiced as a dentist on Long island for eight years despite not having a single license.

[Rory Scoville]

Did you say eight years?

[Josh Dean]

Eight years. Yes.

[Rory Scoville]

Okay.

[Josh Dean]

No license.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

In 2025, investigators got a tip from some of her unhappy clients. When they searched the then 55 year old's home, they found she was running a fully functional dental practice. According to some patients, Yolani never used anesthesia. Say what you will about Painless Parker, at least he had the decency to give his clients a little bump of

[Rory Scoville]

coke, at least a little cocaine, and not upcharge him for it.

[Josh Dean]

She was just pulling her teeth.

[Rory Scoville]

It's only just now occurring to me I've never asked to see my dentist license. And now that will be the first thing I ask when I walk in. Show me your legal status.

[Josh Dean]

Right, Your diploma.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, show me. You've earned this.

[Josh Dean]

Carranza is facing three counts of unauthorized practice of a profession. She's pleading not guilty to the charges and is, as of this taping, out of jail on supervised release. Okay, next we have Isidro de Jesus Mujeres, who was arrested in 2017 in San Antonio after performing an eight hour dental procedure in his home.

[Rory Scoville]

Eight hours?

[Josh Dean]

According to mysanantonio.com, a website I'm sure you read every day.

[Rory Scoville]

Yes, go on.

[Josh Dean]

The patient was given anesthesia 12 times for two extractions and something involving a grinding tool. She spent eight hours in the chair and Isidro didn't even bother to hire a clown. 8 hours, 12 times.

[Rory Scoville]

Holy shit.

[Josh Dean]

You might wonder after the third time,

[Rory Scoville]

second time, that person was in a saw movie and they didn't know It Real Life Saw.

[Josh Dean]

This may have been the case. That inspired Saw.

[Rory Scoville]

That was RLS dude. That was real Life saw right there. Oh, my God.

[Josh Dean]

Jokes aside. So the patients of these quacks are legit victims. Scam artists prey on those who don't have insurance. And they get often left with botched medical procedures that cost thousands to fix.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, and they're probably in a lot of pain.

[Josh Dean]

And social media is playing a big part in these scam artists. They advertise low cost veneers, which are all the rage these days. Do you have veneers?

[Rory Scoville]

Yep, I do I have them or do I know about them?

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[Rory Scoville]

Do you have. No, I don't have them. Not yet.

[Josh Dean]

Not yet.

[Rory Scoville]

My dogs had to have a lot of teeth removed. I want to get some veneers for my dog.

[Josh Dean]

To be quite honest, he just gums his food.

[Rory Scoville]

He still has some teeth, but he's a tiny dog. And all I'm learning is that tiny dogs don't retain their teeth for. For very long.

[Josh Dean]

You need to take him to one of these street dentists.

[Rory Scoville]

Well, now that I know about them, yeah.

[Josh Dean]

If you go online, you'll probably find a lot of people who claim to be veneer technicians. But here's some news. You can use a crimeless psa. Veneer technicians don'. Exist. It's not a real license. You can.

[Rory Scoville]

Okay, there you go.

[Josh Dean]

So veneer must be put in by a licensed dentist to be above board. Of course, that does not stop folks from setting up shop. Emily Martinez. Spelled E, M, E, L, Y, by the way. Big red flag there. That's not how you spell Emily.

[Rory Scoville]

Such a red flag right there, dude.

[Josh Dean]

She ran a strip mall beauty bar in Pinellas Park, Florida. Florida. We had to get back to.

[Rory Scoville]

I knew. I was like, how long till we get home again?

[Josh Dean]

We are. She did nails, lashes, and also veneers. Yeah, she may have pulled teeth in the back of her salon as well.

[Rory Scoville]

Good, good, good.

[Josh Dean]

So dental veneers cost between 800 and 2500 per tooth. She charged 2500 for a full set. A real lesson and you get what you pay for. Or be real wary of a bargain when it comes.

[Rory Scoville]

I mean, that's just. I did not know about this underground dentistry world.

[Josh Dean]

You're learning a lot on this show.

[Rory Scoville]

This is. This really is shocking me. This episode.

[Josh Dean]

Her specialty. She applied veneers using nail glue.

[Rory Scoville]

Okay. It's. God fucking hell, man. I literally already don't like regular license allowed to be doing this dentistry. I didn't Know, fake dentistry was even, like, an option I've lived in. I've lived in such a shielded world.

[Josh Dean]

You didn't know how many people out there were getting their veneers put on with nail glue.

[Rory Scoville]

No. Oh, my God.

[Josh Dean]

At least two clients suffered serious infections and disfigurements. And other patients said they needed emergency surgery after getting their teeth super glued, man. Martinez was charged with scheme to defraud and multiple counts of practicing dentistry without a license. A charge that is used surprisingly often for one that I've never heard of before.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

So I gotta say, these veneer technicians turn out to be everywhere. There's Brandon Dillard in Atlanta. He ran a list, Smiles, which looked very legitimate. He had 157,000 followers on Instagram and did veneers for influencers and reality TV stars. He even taught classes on how to become a veneer tech. He made $4 million until he got arrested in October 2024. Because, say it with me, folks, he wasn't a real dentist.

[Rory Scoville]

He was not licensed.

[Josh Dean]

Not a real dentist.

[Rory Scoville]

It does sound like maybe he was doing a pretty good job, though.

[Josh Dean]

I mean, but do influencers have good judgment? Reality TV stars?

[Rory Scoville]

I don't know.

[Josh Dean]

Apparently not. I don't. Not when it comes to choosing a dentist.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

His victims complained of chipped and broken teeth, abscesses, tooth pain, nerve damage, discoloration, and more, according to an indictment.

[Rory Scoville]

Okay, I take back what I just said.

[Josh Dean]

In a Facebook group called Get Yo Teeth Done, Sis, where women discuss dental glow ups, a woman named Shade posted, Did anyone ever go to a list in Atlanta? He messed my teeth up so bad. Which was how a whole group of people discovered that Dillard wasn't an actual dentist.

[Rory Scoville]

Oh, man. After all, see, the chat rooms do present some level of justice.

[Josh Dean]

Exactly. Because one woman commented. Oh, shit. Oh, shit.

[Rory Scoville]

Oh, fuck. Oh, fuck. I went to that guy. I'm an influencer. And what that means is I influence others. But what it reveals is that I'm also easily influenced.

[Josh Dean]

Another commented, brandon did mine and went to jail before my next appointment for my two bridges I paid for. I'm pissed about the bridges, but to be honest, he did a really good job with my veneers.

[Rory Scoville]

See, some of them gotta be pretty decent.

[Josh Dean]

Yeah, let's. Like a glass half empty guy.

[Rory Scoville]

Josh, how many customers could you have where you think you could confidently pretend to be a dentist?

[Josh Dean]

0. 1.

[Medical/PSA Announcer]

I mean,

[Josh Dean]

no way.

[Rory Scoville]

You would even. You would be like, I don't even know where to start.

[Josh Dean]

I guess you would have to study. Yeah, Well, I know you put on, like, the face mask thing and the. The little biblical.

[Rory Scoville]

Okay. So you got some of it, and

[Josh Dean]

you get the, like, that little thing that, like, very painful water pick that, like, makes your gums bleed.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

How to wield that, I think.

[Rory Scoville]

Yep. Yeah, yeah. The thing that could cut concrete, but for some reason, we have it on our enamels.

[Josh Dean]

One of my biggest complaints, as long as we're. Now, this is the complaint portion of our. Like, let's. Let's. Let's bitch about dentistry was like, why they give you the tiny cup to rinse with. It's so small.

[Rory Scoville]

I know.

[Josh Dean]

And it's never enough water.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah. And now they just leave the suck thing in your mouth.

[Josh Dean]

That's kind of gross.

[Rory Scoville]

It's kind of gross. But I will say, when all the buildup's happening, I'm like, suck all that spit out of me.

[Josh Dean]

I suppose it's satisfying because you're not choking anymore.

[Rory Scoville]

That's right.

[Lane Rose]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

There's. There's ups and downs.

[Josh Dean]

So this guy Dylan, he faced 113 charges, including but not limited to insurance fraud, theft, drug possession, commercial gambling, and also a RICO charge. I don't know how it's rico, but when in doubt. Yeah, let's add rico.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, Yeah. I love. I love it when rico's at it.

[Josh Dean]

He pleaded not guilty to all charges.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

After the break, a crimeless investigation into this week's burning question. Why are the fake dentists kind of unstoppable?

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

Dun, dun, dun.

[Malcolm Glebel]

Hello. Hello, this is Malcolm Glabel from Smart talks with IBM. Today. We're diving into a fascinating conversation with Stefano Pallard, head of fan development for Scuderia Ferrari hp.

[Brian]

Your pronunciation is strongly American. It's more Scuderia Ferrari.

[Malcolm Glebel]

I'm still working on rolling my R's, but what I was able to learn from Stefano was the importance of engaging the Tifosi, the Ferrari superfans. In the digital age.

[Brian]

Ferrari fans and super fans want to be part of something, want to belong to something. So they want to be part of a community, and ultimately they want to be part of a winning team.

[Malcolm Glebel]

You've got Ferrari, which has a long history, design history, and now you're interacting in a kind of digital space. I'm curious how you balance those two traditions.

[Brian]

When it comes to fan engagement, it's really digital technology, and digital channels are being able to create a deeper connection with our fans.

[Malcolm Glebel]

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[Josh Dean]

Welcome back. Before we dive into the fake dentist epidemic that's plaguing our nation, it's important to point out that we're not the only country with insane problems like this.

[Rory Scoville]

Oh, thank God.

[Josh Dean]

In 2010, the Italian Dentist association found that 1 in 5 dentists in Italy is unqualified. In one case, a dentist in Rome turned out to be a plumber who had been filling and extracting teeth for 20 years.

[Rory Scoville]

Can I ask you a question? When they say nine out of 10 dentists agree, is that one dentist who doesn't agree? Not actually.

[Josh Dean]

It would be 10 out of 10. But one of them is not a dentist.

[Malcolm Glebel]

Right?

[Josh Dean]

That was four out of five.

[Rory Scoville]

I think four out of five dentists agree. One of them not technically a dentist, but we did ask them, so we have to proceed as though they are a dentist.

[Josh Dean]

I can't find any updates for the most current state of dentistry in Italy, but I did find this story from 2021. Italian dentist presents fake arm for vaccine to get pass. So Dr. Guido Russo tried to trick nurses with a silicone arm to avoid getting the COVID 19 shot.

[Rory Scoville]

I mean, how dumb do you think medical professionals are? Like, they have to find a vein

[Medical/PSA Announcer]

or.

[Josh Dean]

No, I guess they just push it

[Rory Scoville]

into your arm for that.

[Josh Dean]

But I assume they know what an arm feels like.

[Rory Scoville]

I think they would know what skin feels like, especially when they go to clean it. I know the area for the jab.

[Josh Dean]

Well, it didn't work, Rory. So I think, man. Our man, who was a real dentist, presumably, but a bad vaccine denier.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Josh Dean]

Meanwhile, a bit further east in the Czech Republic, we found a dentist and two assistants were charged back in 2021. The heartwarming twist. It was a family pract. A 22 year old, along with his mom and dad spent two years running a fake dental clinic out of their home.

[Lane Rose]

Huh.

[Josh Dean]

So if you guys ever looking for a side hustle, your wife, your daughter, the three of you, that could be fun.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, Play some music. Hire a band to play while we're doing it.

[Josh Dean]

Exactly. Inject cocaine into people.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, do a little coke, little nose candy for the clients.

[Josh Dean]

So the son was the dentist. He attended the school of YouTube and learned to work on Teeth by watching tutorial videos.

[Rory Scoville]

School of YouTube.

[Josh Dean]

Mom ran the anesthesia and sourced the materials while dad made the prosthetics. They had dozens of patients who got root canals extractions and filling. Imagine a root canal from a fake dentist.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, I mean, imagine one from a real dentist. Who knows what they're doing.

[Josh Dean]

True. I'm terrified of root canals. And the family made over 185,000 before getting caught. They face a slew of charges. Operating in illegal business, attempted assault, theft, drug dealing, money laundering. All three of them pleaded guilty. And if they're convicted, they face up to eight years in prison.

[Rory Scoville]

Okay, just let you know, Josh, for the sake of storytelling, you really buried the lead with all the other stuff this family clearly is up to. Oh, the fake dentistry. But then also weapons manufacturing, drug dealing, dog fight organizing.

[Josh Dean]

They're running a cock fighting ring.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

I have a feeling like the assault may just be a charge for. Like you did root canals on people that you weren't qualified for.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah. I would categorize that as assault.

[Josh Dean]

And the drug dealing was probably. You're also not a doctor and you're giving people anesthetics.

[Rory Scoville]

That's.

[Josh Dean]

I mean, dangerous.

[Rory Scoville]

Like, I mean, you could kill somebody.

[Josh Dean]

They could have killed somebody.

[Lane Rose]

Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

They did not notably. There were no reports of complaints from patients in this case. So maybe the kid was a dental savant.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

Maybe the school of YouTube is an acceptable dental university.

[Rory Scoville]

But also, keep in mind, you, you're like, ah, the dentist said it's good and they should know. I don't know.

[Josh Dean]

The president of the Czech Dental chamber told the BBC that there was an average of 10 fake dentist cases a year in the Czech Republic. So this is not. Definitely not just our thing.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, I mean, that feels good to know that everywhere's kind of got to deal with this.

[Josh Dean]

It's impossible to compare it to our fake dental crisis because there's no database to track this sort of thing. It falls on the individual states to respond to complaints, investigate, and charge the fakers. Which is why you have people who can get arrested in one state, post bail, and start over in a different part of the country. Like the lady at the top who was arrested in Las Vegas and then moved to Chicago.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

Sometimes you don't even have to leave the state to skirt around the laws. Like non dentist Tom Elam in Arizona. I believe we have a video.

[Steph]

The only billboard advertises for denture adventure on one side and the 7th street laundry and showers on the other. The phone number is the same for both that's because the same guy, Tom Elam, is running them out of the same building.

[Josh Dean]

We just make the dentures.

[Steph]

Are you licensed to do that?

[Josh Dean]

You don't have to be licensed in the state of Arizona.

[Steph]

Turns out he's right.

[Josh Dean]

We're a dental lab. We just make the prosthetic.

[Rory Scoville]

Yes.

[Josh Dean]

We don't go into the mouth. We don't work in the mouth.

[Steph]

How are you trained to do this?

[Rory Scoville]

Well, I worked for a dentist for

[Medical/PSA Announcer]

years in my twenties.

[Josh Dean]

My father in law was a dentist in Arizona.

[Steph]

That's enough. Because the state doesn't regulate dental labs and their techs. That means no one is checking Elam's criminal background. Arizona's family investigates, finding police arrested him for selling meth out of the laundromat in 2014. Elam also charged with trafficking and stolen property and possession of drug paraphernalia.

[Josh Dean]

All right, I just.

[Rory Scoville]

Can I just say something?

[Josh Dean]

Sure.

[Rory Scoville]

All those dentures looked real good.

[Josh Dean]

You're impressed with his craftsmanship.

[Rory Scoville]

I think he actually would be licensed. Like, he did look like he knows his shit.

[Josh Dean]

There was just a small problem of selling meth out of his laundromat.

[Rory Scoville]

And look, we all have a blemish on our permanent record somewhere. His happens to be selling meth out of a laundromat and trafficking.

[Josh Dean]

The sign was also, he needed to work on his graphic design a little bit.

[Rory Scoville]

I like. That's what you were rubbing up against, the typography.

[Josh Dean]

Well, the teeth were hand painted, but you're like one. I saw his actual handiwork. You're right. That was pretty good. But the teeth, the hand painted teeth on the sign, I don't. I can't go to a dentist with hand painted teeth.

[Malcolm Glebel]

I'm sorry.

[Josh Dean]

Yeah.

[Rory Scoville]

If it seems like you. You don't know what teeth are supposed

[Josh Dean]

to look like also when it's also a laundromat. I'm not super stoked on that.

[Rory Scoville]

Like, yeah, you don't want your lab to be in a laundromat.

[Josh Dean]

I love that. His qualifications, according to him were that his father in law was a dentist. Yeah, I was not a dentist, but my father in law was.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, I worked for a dentist in my 20s. My father in law was a dentist. Oh, all right.

[Josh Dean]

Well, yes, by those standards, I'm qualified to run the international marketing department for various large tobacco companies. My father in law's job. What does yours do?

[Rory Scoville]

Real estate. So I could just sell commercial real estate.

[Josh Dean]

Oh, you could do that.

[Rory Scoville]

I kind of like that faith you

[Josh Dean]

have in me, Tom. Elam admitted to the cameras there that he had served time in jail, but not for what you think. He said it was related to solar panels, but the court records show that he was selling meth out of his laundromat. He pleaded guilty and was given seven years probation. But the meth is beside the point. When a concerned local dentist alerted the Arizona Board of Dentists about some shady practices at Denture Adventures.

[Rory Scoville]

Great name, by the way. Denture Adventure is fantastic.

[Josh Dean]

I agree. I tick points for the sign, but I like the name. Yeah, they said, unfortunately, the information we were provided did not indicate the lab technician was doing dentistry. Arizona Family, the news organization we were watching there, grilled the executive director of the state board. I believe we have a video of that, too. Lane, is that right?

[Steph]

Do you think that the board is doing enough to warn the public about those people?

[Josh Dean]

I don't know what the board would do to warn people.

[Steph]

As part of a new law, health boards are now required to verify complaints of unlicensed providers and refer them to county attorneys or the attorney general's office. They're also required to post the names of imposters on their websites. But when we check the dental board website, no. No one was listed. Is it something that you see value in because it's sort of hidden on the website? You'd have to almost know what you're looking for to find it.

[Josh Dean]

I think it's like that on most websites. That guy did not prepare at all for that interview.

[Rory Scoville]

Why wouldn't this guy want to protect the customers? Also, someone tell the news organization, I don't need the sound effects of the typing. I don't need the typing, and I don't need the whooshes of the paper coming in.

[Josh Dean]

I mean, that guy seemed like he had no idea what questions they were gonna ask him. I was like, oh, you and your gotcha questions.

[Rory Scoville]

That guy. This might go deeper than just the dentist. That guy might be an imposter of someone who works for the Council of people who protect people of Arizona. I know.

[Josh Dean]

She's like, well, when I go to that page, there's nothing there. Just like most websites, right?

[Rory Scoville]

And he's like, I think all websites function as a. As a scam, right?

[Josh Dean]

I mean, literally did not prepare at all for that. It's like, I did not expect. Whoa. With these gotcha questions asking me.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, sorry. I didn't know you were coming at me in this thing that you told me you'd be asking me about.

[Josh Dean]

And she was like, could you not certify Like, I don't know. Why would we do that?

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

So ultimately, the county attorney's office stepped in, and Apache county charged Tom with practicing dentistry without a license, which is a classic felony, according to court records. He took a plea deal, ended up serving no jail time. Maybe he can now focus on doing what he loves the most. Selling meth out of his laundromat.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, I mean, that's good. You're gonna make more money doing that.

[Josh Dean]

I would think so, yeah. This brings us to the final portion of the show. Before we wrap up, I think Lane wants to check our dentist credentials. We're gonna bleep out the real names. We're gonna run your dentist through the state dental board website. Do you know the name of your dentist?

[Rory Scoville]

No. Well, because I'm new to dental.

[Josh Dean]

Oh, fair, fair, fair.

[Rory Scoville]

I have gone to this dental practice that I've gone to, and they have. That dentist has left that practice, and there's now a new dentist there. But it seems like such a intense, massive setup that I would be shocked to find it was fake.

[Lane Rose]

Do you have a name?

[Rory Scoville]

I don't know. I don't know any of this.

[Lane Rose]

What about a former dentist?

[Josh Dean]

Well, dude, we could do mine. Lane. All right, his name is good news, guys.

[Lane Rose]

He's licensed.

[Rory Scoville]

All right, he is licensed as of 1990.

[Josh Dean]

Okay, good, good, good. All right, so I'm safe.

[Rory Scoville]

You're safe.

[Josh Dean]

Rory has not picked a dentist yet, so use this website.

[Rory Scoville]

I don't know my dentist name, which is not. Doesn't bode well for me in this scenario.

[Josh Dean]

Let's look up Ewan.

[Lane Rose]

Yeah, Ewan was yours. Okay. Oh, thank God. She's also licensed.

[Josh Dean]

All right, we're good.

[Rory Scoville]

22 years ago.

[Josh Dean]

Two for two. All right, Lane, you want to put yours in?

[Lane Rose]

Yeah, let me see.

[Josh Dean]

So there is a website. Is this our public service? People can look this up on the Internet, Lane.

[Lane Rose]

Yeah, you can just go to your state's, like, government website, maybe.

[Josh Dean]

Not Arizona's state dental board, though. No, that guy did not seem like he was going to vet them very thoroughly.

[Lane Rose]

I'd definitely been to a dentist that's not registered, so.

[Josh Dean]

Oh, Lane's been to a fake dentist.

[Lane Rose]

I'm, like, 90% sure he was not registered.

[Rory Scoville]

This is traumatizing for.

[Josh Dean]

Yeah, no, I mean, did he give you cocaine?

[Lane Rose]

No, but he, like, offered to, like. He's like, I don't need to drill that tooth, but I could if you wanted me to. And I was like, no, absolutely not.

[Josh Dean]

Definitely what you want in a. In a medical professional is asking you for your opinion. I could take that out if you want me to. I don't need to necessarily. After the break, our final segment in which we take to the streets of New York and perform dentistry ourselves.

[Rory Scoville]

Lane's dental edition.

[Lane Rose]

We're counting our teeth.

[Malcolm Glebel]

Hello. Hello, this is Malcolm Glebel from Smart talks with IBM. Today, we're diving into a fascinating conversation with Stefano Pallard, head of fan development for Scuderia Ferrari hp.

[Brian]

Your pronunciation is strongly American. It's more Scuderia Ferrari.

[Malcolm Glebel]

I'm still working on rolling my R's, but what I was able to learn from Stefano was the importance of engaging the Tifosi, the Ferrari superfans in the digital age.

[Brian]

Ferrari fans and super fans want to be part of something, want to belong to something. So they want to be part of a community and ultimately they want to be part of a winning team.

[Malcolm Glebel]

You've got Ferrari, which, which is a long history, design history, and now you're interacting in a kind of digital space. I'm curious how you balance those two traditions.

[Brian]

When it comes to fan engagement, it's really digital technology. And digital channels are being able to create a deeper connection with our fans.

[Malcolm Glebel]

To learn more about how Ferrari and IBM are using technology to build deeper connections with fans, visit IBM.com.

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[Josh Dean]

This is crimeless. Hello and welcome back to Crimeless. Sorry, we've been under the anesthesia performed by our fake dentists. Lane, what do we have this week? Or Rory, actually, what are we doing? I'm sorry, I'm groggy.

[Rory Scoville]

I'll tell you what we're doing. Lane's Games Dental Edition.

[Lane Rose]

What's a dentist's favorite time of day?

[Rory Scoville]

Tooth decay? I don't know.

[Lane Rose]

Tooth hurdy. That's Tooth hurt.

[Malcolm Glebel]

Hurdy.

[Josh Dean]

Tooth hurdy.

[Lane Rose]

You guys have never heard that one before?

[Malcolm Glebel]

No.

[Lane Rose]

Okay, well, in the spirit of that classic joke that apparently is news to you guys, I've got a game dedicated to historic moments in history. You just need to tell me what time the event took place. For example, the Hindenburg airship burst into flames in May 1937, but that was at 7:25pm local time.

[Josh Dean]

You think we'll know these times?

[Lane Rose]

Maybe.

[Josh Dean]

Rory, how confident are you in this?

[Lane Rose]

What?

[Rory Scoville]

I'm sorry, I'm. What? Sorry, what's happening?

[Lane Rose]

There's not really a huge tie in other than Tooth hurty.

[Rory Scoville]

Oh, okay.

[Josh Dean]

The punchline being a time we have to know, I guess what time of day these famous events took place.

[Lane Rose]

Okay, okay, first one. What time did the first plane strike the World Trade Center?

[Rory Scoville]

I cannot. How can this be a game, Lane? Who are you? Who have you become? Oh, I have no idea. I'm not going to get any of these.

[Josh Dean]

It was like 7:45pm or a.m. a.m.

[Rory Scoville]

Okay, what if he didn't Know that.

[Lane Rose]

That'd be crazy. It was 8:46.

[Josh Dean]

Gosh, I was close.

[Rory Scoville]

Gosh, would have been like 11:30 at night.

[Josh Dean]

Yeah, I knew it was early morning. Okay, Lane, really starting us off with a heavy one.

[Lane Rose]

Yeah, we're gonna work backwards. What time did the first transatlantic wireless message. What time was that sent?

[Rory Scoville]

Here we go. A little more G rated.

[Lane Rose]

1901.

[Rory Scoville]

In 1901, that was sent at 12:52pm

[Josh Dean]

it was at 4:00pm Roy Roscoe was 12:30pm oh, you were very close, Rory.

[Rory Scoville]

I just felt it.

[Josh Dean]

Yeah.

[Lane Rose]

What time did the Titanic hit the iceberg?

[Rory Scoville]

Motherfucker, I just watched Titanic.

[Josh Dean]

It was dark, wasn't it?

[Rory Scoville]

It was nighttime. I'm gonna say 9:37pm I'm gonna go

[Josh Dean]

11:30pm 11:40pm Josh was ghosting. Oh, we're getting so close to these.

[Rory Scoville]

Wow. I just remember that Rose and Jack were, you know, up on the. They had just made love in a. In a car down in the storage facility. That's all I know.

[Josh Dean]

He hadn't just drawn her like one of his French girls.

[Rory Scoville]

Well, he drew her, and then they went and had sex.

[Josh Dean]

Oh, yeah, he drew her first.

[Lane Rose]

Yeah. What time was John Lennon shot?

[Josh Dean]

Oh, that was like, broad daylight.

[Rory Scoville]

That was broad daylight. I'm gonna go 2:15. No, I'm gonna go 11:20am I think

[Josh Dean]

that's a good guess. I'm 11:30, 10:50pm What?

[Rory Scoville]

Oh, I thought it was during the day.

[Josh Dean]

What was he doing in Central park at night?

[Lane Rose]

Living his life.

[Rory Scoville]

Well, it wasn't in Central Park. It was at his. The Dakota, I think. Isn't that where he lived? The Dakota?

[Lane Rose]

It was outside his apartment.

[Rory Scoville]

I thought it was outside his, like, condo. Fancy apartment. Apartment. Condo place he lived. Ritzy spot.

[Lane Rose]

All right. Both Prince Charles and Lady Diana Spencer and Prince William and Kate are married at the same time.

[Josh Dean]

High noon.

[Rory Scoville]

Does it always have to be because of the ceremony that it has to happen at 1pm 11:20am why?

[Lane Rose]

I don't know.

[Josh Dean]

You know, I don't know why. That would have asking too much for you to know why.

[Lane Rose]

Yeah, I know. I didn't go that deep. All right, this one's a tie in to a previous episode, the Canoe Man. John Darwin walks into a London police station and claims to be a missing person with amnesia. What time did he walk in?

[Josh Dean]

10:15am 8:00am 5:30pm why would we know that, Lane?

[Lane Rose]

I don't know.

[Josh Dean]

Why is that? That's the guy who played video games in. In the Airbnb.

[Lane Rose]

He was the One who?

[Rory Scoville]

Canoe, man.

[Lane Rose]

Maybe it was.

[Josh Dean]

He faked his death. His wife cooperated in his fake death.

[Lane Rose]

Yeah, yeah.

[Josh Dean]

And yeah, I love that story. And he ran into his brother and pretended not to recognize him.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Josh Dean]

We may be blurring all the stories together. It's very possible.

[Lane Rose]

Last one. Don't look. What time is it right now?

[Rory Scoville]

Where I am, it's 12:20 here.

[Josh Dean]

It's almost 1:58.

[Lane Rose]

No, it's my time. 1:05. So that would be.

[Rory Scoville]

Yeah, it's 12:02:05 here.

[Lane Rose]

Nice job, guys.

[Rory Scoville]

Well, then you were closest. Josh was closest.

[Lane Rose]

That's true.

[Josh Dean]

Crimwist is a production of Smartless Media, Campside Media and Big Money Players in partnership with iHeart podcasts. It's hosted by Rory Scoville and me, Josh Dean. Our senior producer is Lane Rose. Emma Siminoff is our associate producer. This episode was edited, sound, designed and engineered by Marina Paiz. Our studio engineer is Ewan lai trumu. Mark McAdam composed our theme song. The executive producers at Campside Media are Vanessa Gregoriadis, Matt Sher and me, Josh Dean. The executive producers for iHeart podcasts and Big Money Players are Jack O', Brien, Lindsey Hoffman and Matt Apodaca. For Smartloads Media, the executive producers are Will Arnett, Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes and Richard Courson. Bernie Kaminski is head of production. The associate producer is Matty McCann. A special thanks to our operations team, Ashley Warren and Sabina Mara. If you have a question, comment or confession for the Crimless team, email [e-mail] and if you enjoyed Crimeless, please rate and review the show wherever you get your podcasts. It helps people find the show and also makes us feel validated. Unless you're mean, in which case keep it to yourself. We'll see you next week. Crimeless Nation.

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[Lane Rose]

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