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BONUS EPISODE: Geoengineering, Aluminum Risks & the Fight for Health Freedom | Leslie Manookian
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The government is the problem. The reason that this country is in the place it's in is because Americans have taken their eye off the ball. Our system of government only works if we have a moral and an educated society. We do not have that anymore.
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What would true health freedom look like? This is a bonus episode of Culture Apothecary this week with the one and only Leslie Manookian. She's the reason you don't have to wear a mask on the plane anymore. She's an award winning filmmaker, homeopath, nutrition junkie and all around health freedom fighter with hot takes on everything from vaccines to chemtrails. She's also president and founder of Health Freedom Defense Fund, a nonprofit which seeks to rectify health and justice through education, advocacy and legal challenges to unjust mandates, laws and policies that undermine our health, freedoms and human rights. This episode is made possible exclusively with donations from listeners like you, who believe in our mission to heal a sick culture. You can make a tax deductible donation with the link in the show notes or always leave a five star review for free wherever you listen. Please welcome Leslie Mnookian to Culture Apothecary. What would true health free freedom mean?
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That would be heaven for me. That is the whole goal of Health Freedom Defense Fund, the nonprofit I run. Health Freedom to me means that you live in a world where chemicals aren't being rained down on you from the sky, where medicines aren't being put into your drinking water, so you have no choice not to drink them. Which is what's been happening with fluoride in this country, in a lot of communities for decades. Despite the fact that it's neurotoxic, that it is oncogenic communities that fluoridate their water, they have 4 to 6 percentage points lower IQs than communities that don't. This is just horrific for our children. Finally, I don't know if you've seen this, but in the last few weeks there's been a ruling from a federal court saying, you know, it's probably not as, as constructive to full health as we thought it was once was.
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This isn't a conspiracy theory. The government literally just admitted that fluoride is causing kids to have low IQs. So that isn't from you or me or some, you know, weirdo online, because that's what people will think. The government ruled this.
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Yes. And the science has been out there and very clear. So it's being able to breathe fresh air, it's being able to drink clean water, it's being able to Eat the food of your choice. You know, they're talking about putting MRNA and other stuff into lettuce. They have this technology now. So are they going to label it? They've already banned labeling of genetically modified food. So you can't eat the food that you want. You can't choose. Because if you don't know, you can't choose. Choose right. Obama ran and said that he would sign a right to know, meaning that GMOs would be labeled. And as soon as he was elected, he installed a bunch of Monsanto executives at usda.
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Why do you think that happened?
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Because I think that there's just tremendous corruption in government and because the lobbyists rule. I think we live in a post constitutional order and that we no longer live in a country that is by the people, for the people of the people. You know, just coming back to the whole health freedom thing, you need to be able to choose what food you eat, what you drink, and you need to know what medications you put into and on your body. Nobody knows your health background. No bureaucrat at some federal agency or state agency has to live with your decisions. I mean, this is just insane. So we need absolute health freedom, and that means living in a world where we know what the risks are and we can make an active choice about those based on accurate information, which we do not have today.
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You said they're making chemicals rain down from the sky. I've never had anyone talk about that on the show. Could you. Could you enlighten my audience?
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Yeah. So this is another one of those conspiracy theories that came true. People call it colloquially chemtrails, but it's really known as geoengineering. And geoengineering is a real thing. There has been testimony in front of the United Nations, World Health Organization, I believe, and in Congress 20 years ago, talking about geoengineering, Bill Gates talks about it. There's a faction of people on the planet, and in particular in this country, who think that the solution to climate change, which I personally do not buy into, you know, once I started learning about the whole vaccine paradigm and debate, I always say that that is the biggest red pill you can take because it's like the biggest gateway drug. Once you learn about what they really know about what's in these and how poorly they're studied, then it just takes you down a rabbit hole and you start to learn. Wow. So much of what I believed before is not accurate. So that's how I got into questioning climate change was once I started reading the science about vaccines and I was stunned at what I read. And so then I started thinking, okay, what else? So I started looking at this. And people like Bill Gates and people in government are using geoengineering, which means spraying chemicals out of airplanes in our skies. Things like aluminum and barium that are toxic.
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And what is the purpose?
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To dim the sun.
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To dim the sun.
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Literally. Like one of the sources of all life on the planet. They want to dim the sun.
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Are they actually being successful in this venture?
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No, of course not.
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So all. It's just hurting us and does nothing to actually dim the sun, Literally.
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Aluminum is toxic to all life forms. It has no biological function, need use anything, and it's neurotoxic. Think about that. They are spraying neurotoxins on us that we can't avoid that then go into our crops that are taken up in our rivers and streams and therefore irrigation water. All these things. It's insane. And yet this is what they're doing. And I just read in the last 24 hours, I haven't looked into it. They've bought like a trillion dollars or some ridiculous number of diamonds. They're going to create diamond dust and spray that into the sky.
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And what would that do you think?
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To reflect the sun.
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Okay, I don't know if that's toxic, but are they seeing, like, is what we're doing even working and worth the risk?
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No. And this is why it's one of the most blatant, flagrant violations of informed consent that's ever existed. They're literally spraying stuff on us that literally is neurotoxic to healthy adults. So when you inject aluminum hydroxide, which is in a lot of shots into you, it actually crosses the blood brain barrier and it causes cognitive impairment in healthy adults. So what is it doing to little babies? What is it doing when it's raining down on us and then we're drinking it? It's much easier to rid ourselves, to detox things that we ingest than that we inject. But still, it's now in our crops. It's now everywhere. And there's very, very good science from a guy named Chris Exley, who literally got pushed out of Keele University in London, or in Britain, he's known as Mr. Aluminum, actually, Mr. Aluminium. Cause that's what they say in Britain. But he's literally examined the brains of people who have Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, autism. And you know what he finds in their brains?
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Plastic.
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Aluminum. Super high levels of aluminum. There is no doubt that aluminum is literally a big Factor, I think, arguably causal in this epidemic of neurodegenerative diseases that are, you know, our public faces.
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Today when people talk about, you know, vaccines cause autism, the to go a little deeper in that it might be more aluminum exposure could be contributing to causing autism.
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So when I made the movie the Greater Good, there had already been movies about mercury. Mercury is a known neurotoxin, okay. And there were some Simpsonwood hearings. There were these hearings where all of these mucky mucks in the vaccine world, the pharmaceutical world and health got together and vaccine developers, and they all met at this resort in Simpsonwood, Georgia in like, I think it was 2001, maybe 2002, somewhere in there, early 2000s. And they got together to talk about the dangers of mercury and that, oh my gosh, we're injecting a known neurotoxin. Okay, they knew it. And so then they started phasing it out of the vaccines because one of the scientists said, you know, we can't make the relationship go away. It's robust. So it's not just aluminum, it's mercury. But they've taken out most of the mercury. But what happened was the aluminum stimulates an immune response. It keeps the immune system reacting to the vaccine, to the antigens in the vaccine, and that's why they put it in there. As they phased out the mercury, they had more and more aluminum containing vaccines introduced into the schedule. And it kind of obscured what's going on. So it's not just aluminum, Alex, you have to understand that it's also mercury is being emitted from coal fired power plants. And children who live within 60 or 70 miles of a coal fired power plant that doesn't have proper emission controls are at elevated risk of autism. So it's much, much more. And then there's just another thing which is that what is injecting a live virus or whatever it is do. And there's also research out of Kyoto University, rather in Japan from more than 10 years ago that found that just injecting the antigen over and over again is enough to overwhelm and dysregulate the immune system. So triggering autoimmune conditions and allergies and all sorts of like super inflammatory states. So we don't really know. What we do know for sure is that autism is environmental.
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Wow.
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They've tried to tell us that it's, you know, it's genetic. That's just garbage. No, it is environmental.
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Well, you can't say it's genetic. When we go from, you know, one in several hundred thousand kids have autism to one in 36 in a couple decades. That clearly points to. It's not. Not genetic to chalk it up to. Well, we've just gotten better at testing and recognizing it. Then why don't you see all of these elderly people out in public, head banging and wearing helmets and. And, you know, spazzing out and. And screaming and shrieking? We don't have that. If it really came down to, like, oh, we've just gotten better at testing. Something isn't adding up. No, it's all young people. It's all very, very young people that are being diagnosed.
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Well, that's a lie. First of all, they. They have not changed the diagnostic criteria for over 20 years. But they roll that canard out because you know what? It puts off all the people who are willing to just accept whatever officialdom tells them. That's all it is.
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Is that gonna be the demise of humanity willing to accept what the government says at face value?
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I don't think it's that. I think it's more apathy. Right? So to me, the reason that this country is in the place it's in is because Americans have taken their eye off the ball. You know, our forefathers were very clear that our system of government only works if we have a moral and an educated society. We do not have that anymore. People are. I mean, listen, we are being pumped constantly, right? Especially your generation. Extreme immorality. Think about all the rap and all this stuff. It's not about, like, living a noble or a meaningful or a principled life. It's about, like, hedonism. Nihilism.
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Yes. Yeah.
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Okay, so that's. You're just destroying the moral fabric of society.
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Don't quote me that it's exactly this, but it was at a store like H M or Zara or something like that, Like Fast Fashion for women. They had a shirt that just said hedonism. I mean, it's celebrated for Gen Z and young millennials.
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Yeah. So when I was a kid, if I had walked outdoors in leggings, my father would have liked, literally ripped my head off. Right? Yeah. You didn't bare cleavage. You didn't bare your bottom. And now it's just. It's so normalized. The thing that really shocked me was a few years ago, we watched the halftime show. I don't ever watch television, but a family member wanted to watch the halftime show of the NFL, the Super Bowl. And it was when JLO was on and she comes in on a stripper pole. Did you watch this? Do you know about this? She comes in on a stripper pole. She's got her 8 year old daughter there, she's 50. And then all these celebs are like, oh, thank you so much for showing us what it means to be, you know, a strong, excuse me, a strong 50 year old woman. And I just thought all these eight year old children who are watching this, it means that you are like naked, practically naked in the Super Bowl. You gyrate on a, you know, like a stripper on a pole.
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Right.
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And your 8 year old child is there watching. So all the little girls watching are gonna grow up thinking that that's what it means. And all the little boys are gonna grow up thinking that's what it means. That's what their wife should be like when they're 50.
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Right.
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This is insane. This is literally a deliberate attempt, in my view, to destroy the fabric of our society.
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Yeah.
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So we are not moral and we sure aren't educated anymore. I'm sure you've seen so many different bloggers and podcasters go around and do these, you know, man or woman on the street where they ask people, you know, who was the first president?
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Right.
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So many young people don't even know who was our first president. Like our, I mean, our youth is really seriously hooked.
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That's what the kids would say.
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That's a bigger issue, right. Than the apathy that comes with it. And of course they are. I mean, I fully believe that someone's, you know, that there's an agenda to destroy the United States from the inside out and that because if they attacked from outside, we would unite and resist. And so they're doing it very slowly, very subversively, very insidiously over many decades. And this is part of it. So I mean, part of women working. Like I'm all for women working. I mean, I'm a very strong, independent woman. You know, I've had a five careers and, and I really think every woman should have the right to choose what they want to do with their life. But no one can have it all. It is a total lie.
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This is totally. Yeah, this is our jam on this podcast.
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Yeah, it is a total lie. I've done it. I used to, you know, I was managing director at Alliance Capital in London. I, you know, I quit to have my, after I had my son because I didn't want nannies to raise my baby, you know, and so anyway, my point is this is all about the problem in America. It's all part of this long term agenda to destroy the nuclear Family to install a new kind of moral code and to dumb us down so that people are too busy, too tired.
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Yes.
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And too kind of distracted to medicated. Even medicated. Oh, of course. Then there's the food system, then there's the whole medicalization. I mean, no kids had EpiPens at school when I was a kid.
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Right. Yep.
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Same nobody.
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I feel like historically, conservatives typically seem to be preoccupied with freedom of speech, the second Amendment, you know, they really care about education, freedom, and how they school their kids. Those are all important values.
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I agree with.
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All of those things are very important to me. But for a conservative in particular, I thought it would be interesting to ask you, why do you believe the health freedom conversation should matter? Obviously to everyone, but conservatives in particular.
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I think health freedom is more important than health, than freedom of speech.
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Why?
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And that sounds crazy, right? Oh, my gosh. You know, it's not a protected right. It's not a protected right because no one ever envisioned that it would need to be. No one ever. None of our founding fathers ever thought, oh my goodness, we need to write something in that says that, you know, you get the right to choose what you put into your body, what you inject into your children. So to me, if we don't have the right to decide whether or not we're going to cover up both of our airways, whether or not we're going to drink clean water, whether or not we're going to inject aluminum and all of the sorts of adventitious ingredients into our children or into ourselves, then who cares if I have the right to free speech? I'm nothing more than the chattel of the state. Seriously. So I can talk about it, but I don't get to make any choice. I'm essentially a serf or maybe a slave, right? And so to me, it is paramount that conservatives start to wake up and understand, you know, it's not just about the a word. Right? It's so much more than that. It's about the freedom to live the lives of our choosing. I remember when I was first getting into this 20 years ago, there were children who were setting up lemonade stands in certain places in the country. And what would happen is the police would come and shut down these 8 year olds. Like, how sad is that? Because you know why? Because they haven't registered or gotten a license or whatever. I mean, this is just insane.
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What would your answer be to the argument? People saying, okay, but as conservatives, don't we want less government, you know, regulation, don't we want less Things banned or decided by the government. So for us to say we want certain chemicals banned in our food, or you know, we want glyphosate banned or GMOs banned, isn't that conservatism advocating for government overreach?
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I didn't say use the word banned, if you might have noticed. What I said is that we need the right to know so that you know to the information so we can choose informed consent. The only ban I would propose is to ban all medical mandates. Okay, okay. Because that's in line in sync with the First Amendment in my view. Natural law. No one would try and inject you with something. I mean, that clearly is a violation of natural law, which is really foundational to our whole system. It's just that we've gotten. We live in a post constitutional order. And so it's not really. We're not embracing that anymore. But so to me, it's not about giving government to ban things. It's about ensuring that we have access. Government is protecting the bad guys. And people tell me all the time, well, we just need more licensing and more standardization. We need more of this, like. No, the government is the problem. 40,000 errors are committed in American hospitals every single day. Wow. By licensed, trained, government authorized doctors and nurses and other professionals. They're not saving us. They're not protecting us. The FDA authorized the COVID shot, like absent really robust information. In fact, they actually had information that it wasn't safe. And yet they still authorize this. They're not protecting us. The cdc, they have conflict of interest waivers every year for their experts who sit on the acip, which is the Advisory committee on Immunization Practices. These people are tied to the pharmaceutical industry, so they're not protecting us. USDA is pushing GMOs all the time. They're protecting big industry. So I'm not advocating. You will never hear me advocate for more government power or control. In fact, I think that if we got government out of the equation and we allowed the public to decide, if we truly had a free market, then this country would be very different and we would be much healthier. It's government that stops us from drinking raw milk.
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Right.
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It's government that's pushing jabs on our kids. It's government that is sanctioning all these different policies, all these different foods. Think if there was no FDA and instead the pharmaceutical industry, one, was liable for their products, truly liable, and two, had to compete on a level playing field with homeopaths and naturopaths and chiropractors it would literally shrink overnight, 90%.
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So what is the Health Freedom Defense Fund, your organization? What do you guys do?
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So we focus on educating people about their rights, helping teach them, and provide resources for them to advocate for themselves. So during COVID we gave people all sorts of letters and things that they could give to their employers and their schools to push back. In fact, our resources were part of the reason that parents in Bishop Unified School District in Bishop, California, won a $400,000 settlement from the school district for mistreatment of their children. So we do all this educational stuff and resources, and then when that's not enough, we litigate. So we're the organization who stopped the federal travel mask mandate. So you don't have to wear.
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You are the reason we don't have to wear masks on planes anymore?
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Yes, that's right.
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How did you get that done?
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Well, because of all the work that I had done previously for 20 years and all the research I'd done, I knew that health powers are part of the police powers reserved to the states. Okay. They are not reserved to the federal government or granted to the federal government. And so you got, you know, for all of our listeners and viewers, our governmental system is the legislative, Congress, the judiciary, all of the courts, and then the executive. Well, what's happened in the last 70 plus years or so is that there have been a bunch of administrative agencies created. The fda, the cdc, the epa, you know, all these things. And those agencies are all federal agencies, and they sit under the executive. So it's this massive bureaucracy that has been created, and it's basically allowed Congress to abdicate some of its responsibility because Congress is supposed to be doing oversight and ensuring that all laws that are passed are consistent with the Constitution. But what's happened is these agencies have blossomed. This is kind of, you know, this permanent administrative state that we deal with. And so the CDC just decided, oh, we're going to issue a mask mandate and make everybody, even people that we have no clue whether or not they're sick or anything. And our own science shows that masks actually don't stop influenza, like illnesses. Their own science in May of 2020 showed that unequivocally. I can delve into that if you'd like, but they put that out and then they still issued a mask mandate. And I just kept saying to our attorneys, this can't be right.
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Okay, so what are mandates? Are they laws?
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No. So here's the thing. In some places, they can be laws, but the CDC is not authorized to issue Laws, it can only issue rules. Administrative agencies are bound by something called the Administrative Procedure act, the apa, and they are bound to make sure they notify the public, take public comment, justify any rules that they promulgate, and a few other things and, you know, point to science or some justification or exigency. So some urgent reason that they need to do this. And I know that CDC can't issue vaccine mandates. They issue a recommended schedule. Why? Because they're not authorized. So when they issued the mask mandate, I just kept saying to my attorneys, this is not right. They can't do this. This is illegal. They don't have the power and authority.
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So why were they able to get away with it for so long?
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Well, it only lasted long because it took all this time for our case to work its way through the court. So that mandate, I forget when it was issued, but we filed within a couple of months in July of 2021, and then the ruling wasn't issued until April, I think, 18th of 2022, somewhere in there. So we did something very, very deliberate, which is that we did not file an injunction. So we didn't request any kind of expedited review or anything because we wanted to just let it work its way through the courts. And I think that played to our advantage because the fear had reduced, people were a little bit more calmer, level heads were prevailing.
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Right, right, right.
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And I think our judge was like reading more science, and she probably thought, hey, you know, this is crazy.
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If another pandemic were to happen again and we are told that we have to wear or inject something in order to participate in public life, what should we do?
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Well, first of all, if something happens, there's another mask mandate. We will sue again to stop it, and we will sue in the same court, and it should get referred to the same judge, and we'll just do it again. It's one of the factors in our system that is really screwed up. But that's what we would do. Again, if people have to get mandates, I think that they won't. I think it'll be very hard to mandate any kind of jabs ever again because the Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly. The Ninth Circuit in the Western United States has just issued two more decisions about vaccine mandates. Claim a religious exemption. That's the most important thing you can do. Claim a religious exemption. Even if you don't go to a church or any kind of official, you know, kind of a religious group, you can still claim a religious. A secular religious exemption. I know that sounds crazy. All that you have to say is that it violates my belief system. That's it. And we have these resources on our website.
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B
Those forms to do a secular religious exemption. Are they available on your website?
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So it's not a form, because someone actually has to express what it is. So, you know, I don't want to. I. It violates my conscience to inject toxins into my body. That's enough. So it's not a form, but we give guidance about what the law says and how you can approach it.
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Okay, so question. You helped fund litigation for a Disney employee who was denied a request for a religious exemption for the COVID 19 vaccine. What happened, and did she win?
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She ultimately settled, but Disney never settles.
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With them because they have all the money in the world. They can just keep going forever.
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I think it was just too much for her. We completely supported her in that decision. But Disney had to pay a settlement, and Disney doesn't settle. Disney was forced to pay that settlement in order to avoid a very public airing of their very dirty laundry. So that is a huge win for us and for Pamela Petrov, who was the plaintiff in the case. And we've sued others. So we've sued the Los Angeles Unified School District. I don't know if you know about that case. It's a huge case. This is actually a more important win than our mask case in a lot of ways. We have supported schoolteachers, employees of the Los Angeles Unified School District, which is the second largest school district in the country, in challenging the mandate, the vaccine mandate for employees. And we said that the mandate that the vaccine, the COVID shot, does not stop transmission and therefore is not a public health matter. It's a private matter. It's a therapeutic at best, and you get to choose. And we've also argued that because it's a therapeutic at best, Jacobson, the 1905 Supreme Court case doesn't apply. So what people don't know is that that case from 1905 says that the state has the authority to mandate a shot in extreme emergencies or make you pay a fine. Okay, so Covid was not an extreme emergency. Yes, it was hyped, but it was not. It was very, you know, if you look at the lethality, the infection mortality rate, fatality rate, it was very similar to the seasonal flu, but it was hyped. And so it wasn't extreme, an emergency like anticipated or envisioned by Jacobson. So we argue that Jacobson does not apply. And there's a ton of cases in the last 40 years that say you have the right to bodily autonomy. You have the right to refuse unwanted medical interventions, even if they might save your lives. So there's this conflict between this 119-year-old Supreme Court case and all the more recent jurisprudence. And so we said, hey, this case isn't Jacobson. It's all this more recent stuff. And we got a ruling. We actually won our appeal in June in the 9th Circuit. And the 9th Circuit said Jacobson was misapplied, reversed the district court and remanded it back to the district court. It was huge. Literally, that was bigger. Because it's the first time in 119 years that any court has put a dent in Jacobson. And we want to overturn Jacobson. So we didn't want take it head on. We wanted to take it on by the side and chip away at it. And this is huge. And there's been more decisions in the last two weeks that are affirming the right to religious exemptions. In fact, in California. Did you hear about this just two days ago, Bay Area Rapid Transit, which is this sort of like train shuttle kind of thing that goes around all the different goes from Oakland into the city and all these things. Six employees were fired for claiming a religious exemption. They just won almost $8 million, the six of them.
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Okay. Because you know what's interesting, Leslie, is that I have been told this several times. Peop. There's a lot of people who think it's made up that people lost their jobs for refusing to take the COVID vaccine.
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Oh, my gosh, Alex. 500 teachers were fired in Los Angeles right, when they implemented the. The vaccine mandate in the fall of 2021. And then another, more than 500 were displaced, forced into early retirement, put on unpaid leave, or forced into the online academy.
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Plus, what about the military?
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Oh, my gosh. Well, that's another thing. So the military is a different sort of set of laws. And so we have not delved into that. We have not represented anybody in any case for the military. But yes, they were. Listen, thousands, if not millions of people lost their jobs. They were denied religious exemptions. In fact, students and teachers at the University of Chicago were actually being told that they could not work or come to campus unless they got the shot. So we sued and we won. They actually backed down. They didn't want it to be public, so they backed down and they granted religious exemptions to everybody.
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If this happened to somebody. Listening, if you're listening, and they were fired from their job for refusing to get that shot. Is there legal Recourse for them now.
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Depends on the statute of limitations, which in a lot of states is one year. You have to file a complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, which usually is a year. In California, it's three years. So if it's more than a year, then you're probably not in any place to do that. But listen, anybody who was fired, it was wrong. There's no doubt. And the Supreme Court has even ruled. There was just a case in the summer of 2023 where they found in favor of a postal worker who didn't want to work on Sundays. So they canned him. And they said, no, no, no. You have the right to refuse to work if that violates your religious expression. And there have been all these cases now about people who've been fired. So we've, you know, we've won. We've got a big case against Nike right now.
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Ooh, what's going on with Nike?
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Oh, my gosh. So they fired all these employees who were sincerely, had sincere views and didn't want to get the shot, and they played a lot of monkey games and were learning all of this during discovery. And let me tell you, this case is going to trial.
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Oh, great.
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And this is all gonna come out probably sometime next year, if not in early 2026. But we have learned a lot of information and discovery, which is very, very bad for Nike. And this is gonna go to trial, and they are gonna lose. And they are going to basically take a blow for all of corporate America, because I believe what they were doing, a lot of corporations were doing.
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B
What is a parent's option if they're living in a state that says you have to adhere to the childhood schedule in order to attend public school?
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A
So there are a couple states that do not allow religious exemptions. Every state allows a medical exemption. And some states have philosophical belief exemptions. If you're in California or New York, Maine, they don't allow religious exemptions, and they don't allow, you know, conscientious belief exemptions. You can sue. I think you'll win. I think it's something that we should do. That's really your only opportunity at this point. Because in those states, in order to claim a medical exemption, your child has to already have been catastrophically injured. And then they will say, well, it was just to this vaccine, so we're not gonna exempt them from others. So the best thing to do is to live in a state that believes in freedom. And if you live in one of those states, I mean, I'm sorry, but get out. That's the most important thing that you can do. I mean, if you look at Idaho, our population has exploded in the last few years, last six or seven years, because parents have, I think we've grown a third of population, quarter to 25 to 30% or so, our population. And it's grown because of all these parents who are fleeing the ridiculous policies in California and other states. And they're coming to Idaho because we have the best vaccination law in the nation. You can literally write on a piece of paper, I choose not my child is exempt from vaccinations for religious or other reasons and sign it. That's it.
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B
Epic. Okay, great. So that's moving to Idaho.
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A
That's because of all the work we've done. So I mean, I hate to tell you, but in those states, in California, Maine, New York, you're going to have to sue and you're, it's going to be a problem. In California, I think we have a really good chance to sue and win. But in New York, not so much. So you can, you can file medical, if you're lucky, you can get religious or you can do philosophical it's like 15 states now, 20 states.
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B
Maybe we won the election. What changes from RFK junior on health do you think are going to result in the biggest positive change in health for Americans?
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A
In my view, if they do the right thing, they will make sure that there are homeopaths, naturopaths, chiropractors represented across hhs, which means all the daughter agencies, FDA and cdc. Because we need a wholesale restructuring of healthcare health in this country. Same thing at usda. We need to clean up our food system.
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B
Yes.
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A
Okay. We need to revisit all of the different chemicals and pesticides and hormones and things that are put into our animals and plants. We need to really think about all of the genetically modified crops and products that we have. Those things need to be re evaluated and determined whether or not they're safe. Because I don't think, I think that the science there was science that showed how dangerous these things are, were and then they just pushed them through anyway. So I think that needs to happen and I hope that happens then from a kind of a health standpoint, we need people who are going to actually advocate for literally one of the most healing things on the planet, which is butter. We need saturated fat.
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B
We're making butter.
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A
Great.
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B
Again, this has to be a pinnacle of the movement.
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A
Yes. So basically, if they do the right thing, if we get the right people in place, then we will have people advocating for a completely different kind of health and healing model. It will not be pharmaceutical based. Yes, we all need trauma and emergency medicine. We all need those diagnostics I get in a car accident, Take me to the hospital, please. But you know what? For the rest, we need saturated fat from pastured animals. We need good eggs from pastured egg, pastured chickens. We need all of the soluble vitamins that come from the fats of those animals. This is what gives us health. We need plenty of raw dairy products and fermented foods like sauerkraut and beets and all these other things. Beet kvass and stuff like this.
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B
I haven't really had anyone talk about that. Why are fermented foods so good for us?
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A
So many of the things that we're eating right now and in our environment and that we're taking destroy our microbiota. So we now know 20 years ago, no one was talking about gut flora. It was kind of a non issue. And now we know that we have 10 times as many microbes in our bodies as we do human cells. That's a fact. That's crazy, right? So those microbes, they actually create, they synthesize some nutrients, like certain B vitamins. Isn't that crazy?
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B
Yes.
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A
Okay. But what destroys them? Pesticides, antibiotics, other drugs.
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B
This is something I just learned from Zen Honeycutt. B vitamins are what help kids be less aggressive. So the food that they're getting from public schools is basically all fast food. I mean, it's the fast food companies making the food that the kids are eating. It's all covered in glyphosate, entirely GMO food. And it's. There's no B vitamins. And this is what is in common with all of our serial killers, parolees, and then kids with behavior issues. They all have this in common, that they're all living off junk food and totally vitamin B deficient.
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A
They also usually do something else.
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B
What?
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A
They take psychotropic drugs? Oh, yes.
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B
Yeah, antidepressants. And all the school shooters, too, are all on SSRIs.
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A
Exactly. I was. I was trying to be very general, say antidepressants, but yes. Yeah. This is the thing. This is the elephant in the room. So these things all disrupt our microbiota. Okay. The food, the drugs, the pharmaceutical. FDA approved pharmaceutical products, they destroy our microbiota. All of these things are causing problems. So in my view, what these guys need to do, and I hope this is what's going to happen, is that we put people in place who understand that health does not come in a bottle, a pill or an injection. Okay? That's not where you get health. Health comes from sunshine, comes from eating whole foods, comes from being outside. It comes from community. It comes from happiness, and it comes from all of these other things that we can do.
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B
It's that simple.
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A
Yes. And we need to get away. So I am pushing as much as I can to ensure that we have people who are not gonna keep us in the mainstream medical paradigm. Because that is not, you know, we have the biggest opportunity of our lives here. And it is imperative that we have people who actually know what they're talking about. It's not about just stopping eating breakfast cereals. It's a lot more than that. We need saturated fat in order to procreate, in order to be calm, and in order to be healthy.
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B
And where do you get saturated fat?
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A
You get saturated fat, healthy saturated fat from coconuts or pastured animal products. So chickens, true free range, not the ones that they say in the grocery store, but the chickens that really go and hunt and peck. You know, when it says vegetarian food, vegetarian diet. Yeah.
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B
That's not normal.
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A
No, that's bad.
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B
Right? Because chickens, they're supposed to get worms and stuff. That would not mean it's not vegetarian. So vegetarian fed chickens is like weird. You don't want that.
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A
No, you don't. Just like you don't want cows that eat corn and soy. That's not their natural diet. They forage, they eat grasses and all these different herbs and things like this. So you want animals that have eaten their ancestral diet because they have a different fatty acid composition in their fat.
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B
Is it good enough if a cow is grass fed? Just grain finished.
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A
It's better than the full on, you know, cafo that are grain fed and finished. But it's not as good. It changes because they usually do it for three months. It's pretty long. And it changes the fatty acid composition. Okay, so basically you need to do all these things. What I'm hopeful is that this new administration is going to completely change the way that we think about health and well being. So that we're not looking to doctors to tell us what drugs to take. We're looking at specialists who can tell us how to nourish our bodies, our minds, our spirits. That's what we need to do. It's so different. It's a complete reversal. Yes. Don't throw out mainstream medicine for emergencies, for traumas, for diagnostics, but we don't need it. It doesn't treat chronic conditions of any kind. It doesn't make you healthy. There's nothing like the fact that they call it the healthcare system is the biggest misnomer ever. It's about disease management. They don't make any money. If you get healthy and well.
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B
True.
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A
The only way you're gonna get healthy and well is to change your life and to stop injecting toxins, swallowing them and drinking them and breathing them.
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B
What is your movie the Greater Good about and where can people watch it?
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A
You can watch it@greatergoodmovie.org and it was really the documentary film that kind of brought the whole vaccine debate to the mainstream. It came out in April of 2011. I started researching it in 2001. And it is a documentary film that very calmly examines the debate. It gives all the perspectives time to make their argument. So we interview Dr. Paul Offit, who's the biggest vaccine apologist in the nation and a vaccine developer and patent holder, a former patent holder. I don't know if he still owns it now, but he developed the Rota virus vaccine, one of them. And so we interview him and all these other vaccine developers. We interview people from FDA, CDC, NIH. We interview then physicians like Dr. Larry Polewski, who have been pioneering the movement to educate parents about what these things are actually doing to children. And then we interview Barbara Lo Fisher, who started the National Vaccine Information Center. She's one of the co founders. And we have them all kind of make their different arguments. And interwoven are the stories of three families whose children have been adversely affected by vaccines. So it's really the very first analysis and expose in a very calm, very beautiful way, very accessible to anyone who's new to this manner to start actually understanding why is our system broken? How is it broken? What do parents need to know before they make these choices? You know, parents do more generally speaking, they research the car seat that they're gonna buy for their child more than they do. These things are gonna inject into their children on day one.
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B
Very convicting.
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A
And our film just analyzes the kind of history of the last 30 years since the National Childhood Vaccine Injury act of 1986, which recognized that vaccines injure and kill some children. And we, we just unpack it so that people can then make their own choices.
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B
How can somebody get involved in your nonprofit to raise awareness?
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A
You can go to healthfreedomdefense.org, that's our website, and you can just sign up, you know, for our newsletter. You can join as a member for $10, and you can donate there if you want. But, you know, the biggest thing is just to help us spread the word, you can follow us on social media. Our links are there. We have a good presence on Facebook and X, formerly Twitter, although we're actually, you know, they shadow ban us everywhere we are. Instagram, too.
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B
If you could offer one remedy to heal a sick culture, and that could be physically, mentally, or spiritually, what would it be?
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A
I have to give you two answers.
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B
Okay, They're.
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A
And they're tied together. So the most important thing I would say is, as a parent, just completely take charge. It is your responsibility and affirm your child in everything you do and in everything that they are. Affirm when they feel sad, affirm when they feel angry. You know, this is how we make sure that they are connected to their own internal compass and their heart. When we tell them they fall down and they hurt themselves, they bump their head or something, you say, you're fine, you're fine. You're actually telling them that what they're feeling is not true. And that is not helpful. We want our kids to know who they are stronger than anything in the world, because when they grow up, they will be a force to be reckoned with. And so I think we do that by positive affirmative parenting. So I think that's really important. And the other thing, learn homeopathy.
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B
I want to. And that's something that's on my, like, bucket list that I'd love to learn.
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A
I'll tell you how to learn. There's a fantastic program that Joette Calabrese offers through her Academy of Practical Homeopathy. Homeopathy is the path to freedom. Okay? When your child wakes up coughing, and my child will wake up at 11 o'clock at night, this, like, barking, croupy cough, I would give him a pill, little sugar pill with the remedy homeopathic medicine, aconite on it, and he'd be back asleep in 10 minutes. That is freedom. I was not afraid. Didn't have to. We never went to the doctor when they started saying, oh, you know, if we ever had to sign something for athletics or something like that, you know, who's your family doctor? We didn't have a family doctor. You don't have to go to the doctor if you know homeopathy, because you can treat it at home.
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B
So good.
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A
That is freedom. That is liberty. So those are my two things. If you really want to live free.
- [45:06]
B
Remind people where they can find you online.
- [45:08]
A
I have a substack which is called Heretic Love. You know, since I was a little. Since my son was little. He's 22 now. He used to say to me, mama, sometimes I feel like we live on the outside of things. And I would say, honey, that's right. That's because we do. We don't go to their schools. We don't use their medicine. We don't watch their media. He didn't ever watch television till he was eight. We don't eat their food. Listen, you do have to live on the outside right now. That's just the truth until we get this fixed. And that's why I hope that this, with this new administration, we can really change things. So, yeah. So if people want to follow us, they can. You can find me at my substack, which is heretic. You can follow us@healthfreedomdefense.org and get to all of our social media from there.
- [45:53]
B
Thank you so much, Leslie for coming on.
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A
Thank you, Alex.
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B
I have not talked about about many of the things we covered today in this bonus episode. So what did you think? Should I deep dive into any one of these topics and dedicate a whole episode to them? Let me know in the cute servitors Facebook group or in the comments, please leave a five star review and tell others why they should listen to Culture Apothecary. Let me know which episode converted you to being a regular listener. We're on a mission to heal a sick culture Twice a week on Mondays and Thursdays at 9pm Eastern. New guests bringing a unique remedy to do just that. Subscribe to Real Alex Clark on YouTube and follow me on Instagram at Real Alex Clark tpusamerch.com with code Alex Clark gets you 10% off any show merch. I'm Alex Clark and this is Culture Apothecary.