Hating Raw Milk, Being Nuanced On Taylor Swift & Wearing Wigs | Matt Walsh

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Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark: Episode Summary featuring Matt Walsh

Episode Title: Hating Raw Milk, Being Nuanced On Taylor Swift & Wearing Wigs | Matt Walsh
Host: Alex Clark
Guest: Matt Walsh
Release Date: [Insert Date if available]

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1. Celebrating Documentary Success

The episode kicks off with Alex Clark congratulating Matt Walsh on the remarkable success of his documentary, Am I Racist?, surpassing well-known films like Super Size Me and potentially rivaling Blackfish in impact.

• Alex Clark (00:00): "Congratulations on having the biggest documentary release of the decade."

• Matt Walsh (02:26): "We passed the domestic gross for Super Size Me, which is a personal marker I had just because it's one of the most well-known documentaries of all time."

Matt expresses his surprise at the documentary's success, highlighting the emotional investment and the long two-year creative process behind its production.

• Matt Walsh (02:44): "It feels kind of surreal when this thing that's lived only in your world is everyone gets a chance to see it."

He also shares the documentary's eligibility for Academy Awards, though remains skeptical about nominations.

• Matt Walsh (03:59): "We are eligible and have submitted it to the Academy for consideration for Best Picture and Best Documentary."

2. Behind the Scenes: Character and Creativity

Alex probes Matt about his approach to embodying roles, contrasting Matt’s method with actors like Shia LaBeouf.

• Alex Clark (03:18): "Do you have to really get into character like Shia LaBeouf?"

• Matt Walsh (07:32): "I'm presenting myself as someone who agrees. And in fact, I'm more invested in it than a lot of the people are."

Matt clarifies that he does not immerse himself to the extent of temporarily abandoning his persona, emphasizing the importance of retaining sanity post-production.

3. Career Trajectory: From Radio to Filmmaking

The conversation shifts to Matt's transition from radio to political talk shows, outlining his longstanding conservative stance.

• Matt Walsh (09:10): "I got into radio, into rock radio initially around 2007, playing a lot of Nickelback."

• Alex Clark (09:39): "What led you to get out of radio?"

Matt discusses the decline of traditional radio and his move towards talk radio, eventually leading to his current projects with Turning Point USA.

4. Critique of Anime and Pop Culture

A significant portion of the episode delves into Matt's nuanced views on anime and pop culture, addressing misconceptions and personal dislikes.

• Matt Walsh (11:27): "There are a lot of things I hate. Anime is just a weird vibe thing."

• Alex Clark (12:20): "It always is, like really close. Closely linked to porn."

Matt clarifies his stance, stating that his criticism is often hyperbolic for humor, but expresses genuine discomfort with the cultural aspects of anime.

• Matt Walsh (13:22): "If it becomes the focus of your life, it becomes a problem. It's immature."

5. The Trans Movement and Cultural Impact

The discussion intensifies as Matt and Alex examine the trans movement's ramifications on American society, mental health, and legislative actions.

• Matt Walsh (23:42): "The trans movement is the greatest evil our country faces."

Matt argues that the trans movement leads to fundamental confusion in society, increasing despair and suicide rates among trans individuals.

• Matt Walsh (24:59): "There’s a lot of competition for that title [greatest evil]. But the trans movement... breeds despair."

Alex brings up international perspectives, noting that countries like the UK are retracting gender reassignment surgeries for minors due to high regret rates.

• Matt Walsh (25:12): "As society becomes more accepting of transgenderism, you should find that suicide rates go down, but they don't."

6. Legislative Wins and Cultural Shifts

Matt highlights the progress made through conservative activism, particularly in banning gender reassignment procedures for minors across numerous states.

• Matt Walsh (27:04): "Dozens of states have now banned mutilation and sterilization of children through gender transition procedures."

He observes a cultural shift where the left appears embarrassed by the gender ideology movement, reducing its visibility in political campaigns.

• Matt Walsh (28:28): "They see this as a losing cultural issue, so they have not been campaigning on it."

7. Personal Life and Marriage Insights

Shifting to personal topics, Alex and Matt discuss the dynamics of a happy marriage, trust, and respect between partners.

• Matt Walsh (41:55): "Women want a man who can provide stability and security, someone they can look to and feel okay."

Alex emphasizes the importance of intellectual trust and shared decision-making in marriage.

• Alex Clark (41:46): "A huge underrated part is trusting your husband's decision-making for the family."

8. Undercover Filmmaking and Future Projects

Matt reflects on his undercover approach in Am I Racist?, discussing the challenges and unexpected aspects of paying participants to speak on camera.

• Matt Walsh (47:32): "We paid them, and we definitely got scammed... I had to spend more internal energy stopping myself from getting angry."

Alex suggests future projects, such as Matt going undercover in educational settings to expose activists, to which Matt expresses interest but acknowledges the increasing difficulty of remaining unrecognized.

9. The Raw Milk Challenge

In a lighthearted yet pointed segment, Alex challenges Matt to try raw milk, highlighting the contrasting views on its benefits and risks.

• Alex Clark (51:12): "Raw milk is nature's superfood... rich in nutrients and good gut bacteria."

• Matt Walsh (51:05): "It tastes like E. Coli. I've tried it before."

Alex and Matt engage in a humorous taste test, underscoring the skepticism around raw milk's safety and appeal.

• Alex Clark (56:32): "I bet you $50,000 that you can’t tell the difference between bottled water in a blind taste test."

Matt remains steadfast in his criticism, reinforcing his stance against raw milk consumption.

10. Final Thoughts and Future Endeavors

Wrapping up, Matt encourages listeners to watch his documentary and stay connected through his platforms, despite the episode's humorous take on his raw milk skepticism.

• Matt Walsh (56:40): "You can go to dailywire.com and stream it right now."

Alex concludes the episode by thanking Matt and promoting the podcast's subscription and review options.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Alex Clark (00:00): "Congratulations on having the biggest documentary release of the decade."

• Matt Walsh (02:26): "We passed the domestic gross for Super Size Me."

• Matt Walsh (23:42): "The trans movement is the greatest evil our country faces."

• Matt Walsh (27:04): "Dozens of states have now banned mutilation and sterilization of children through gender transition procedures."

• Matt Walsh (41:55): "Women want a man who can provide stability and security."

• Matt Walsh (51:05): "It tastes like E. Coli."

• Alex Clark (51:12): "Raw milk is nature's superfood."

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Conclusion

This episode of Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark offers an in-depth conversation with Matt Walsh, exploring his documentary's impact, his critiques of contemporary cultural phenomena like the trans movement and anime, and personal insights into marriage and media careers. The humorous yet critical discussion on raw milk serves as a metaphor for broader debates on health and tradition versus modern skepticism. Listeners gain a comprehensive understanding of Matt Walsh's perspectives and the ongoing cultural battles shaping American society.

Transcript

[Alex Clark]

You may not know this, but you and I have beef. I hear you have a problem with people who drink raw milk.

[Matt Walsh]

It's E. Coli flavored milk.

[Alex Clark]

Are you willing to try it? A sip. Sweet baby. Gang, welcome to the show. Matt Walsh is host of the Matt Walsh show with the Daily Wire, bestselling author, speaker, and perhaps best known for his movies what Is a Woman? And Am I Racist? He lives in Nashville, Tennessee with his wife and six children, including two sets of twins. I've never met or spoken to Matt, so I had a lot of questions for him, including his defense of Taylor Swift. Yes. Views on marriage and fatherhood, his activism getting children's hospitals to stop doing gender reassignment surgery on minors, his anti raw milk and anime views. Plus, of course, we talk about his new movie, am I Racist? Which is a hilarious undercover movie where he confronts the insane people promoting the DEI agenda in our workplaces and schools. I even made sure to wear a plaid shirt for this. Watch this episode on the real Alex Clark YouTube channel or culture Apothecary on Spotify. They do video now. This show is donor funded by listeners like you who believe in our mission to heal a sick culture. To give a tax deductible donation, find the link in the description or leave a five star review to support us for free. I'm Alex Clark. Please welcome Matt Walsh to Culture Apothecary. Congratulations on having the biggest documentary release of the decade.

[Matt Walsh]

Thank you.

[Alex Clark]

Bigger than Blackfish.

[Matt Walsh]

I don't know what that is, but.

[Alex Clark]

You don't. You don't know the whale documentary about SeaWorld?

[Matt Walsh]

I never saw it, but I. Yeah.

[Alex Clark]

Oh, my gosh. That documentary changed my life. It ter. It was so funny because it was supposed to make the viewer really sympathetic towards killer whales. We were supposed to feel so bad for them in SeaWorld. It actually just made me terrified of them. And I think more of them should be in captivity.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. Kill them all.

[Alex Clark]

Kill them all, I say kill. Kill the killer whales. And you also surpassed the numbers of Super Size Me at the box office.

[Matt Walsh]

We did, yeah. We passed the domestic gross for Super Size Me, which is, you know, it was. It was a personal marker I had just because it's one of the most well known documentaries, you know, of all time, probably. So once you get into that echelon, I feel like that's a good place to be.

[Alex Clark]

Were you expecting that?

[Matt Walsh]

I always expect the worst.

[Alex Clark]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

So in everything.

[Alex Clark]

So were you kind of a negative Nancy, like you're a glass half empty type of person?

[Matt Walsh]

It won't Shock people to learn that. I, I've been accused of that. But especially, especially when you're creatively, when you're working on something and if it was a long term process and I mean this, this thing took two years to make, so you have a long time to second guess yourself and worry about all the worst case scenarios and all of that, so you can really get up in your head about it and then finally it's out in the world. It feels kind of surreal when this thing that's lived only in your world, in your mind for so long is everyone gets a chance to see it.

[Alex Clark]

So do you have to really get into character like Shia LaBeouf wearing vials of blood for his role or becoming a priest or whatever? Are you living this DEI expert lifestyle behind the scenes means to get in character?

[Matt Walsh]

I don't, I'm not that committed to the craft. I couldn't be. So it's in fact when we, when we shoot the scenes for this movie or interviews, very happy at the end of it to be done with that and to be able to be a sane person again. I couldn't leave it behind quick enough. So.

[Alex Clark]

Well, with the success of it, I mean, you could be eligible for an Academy Award, right?

[Matt Walsh]

That's true. We are eligible.

[Alex Clark]

Yeah, you are eligible. And what are the, what's the criteria?

[Matt Walsh]

I don't know exactly what they are, but if you're a widely released film, then you're probably in the usually what, what's like we made what is a Woman, A documentary about gender ideology came out a couple of years ago that was not now that would have obviously won all the Academy Awards, but unfortunately it was just streaming release, so it was not eligible. But this one, yeah, if it's a, if you're a wide released film, then you're in the. I think that pretty much makes you eligible. And, and so we submitted it to the Academy for consideration for best picture and best documentary.

[Alex Clark]

Have you heard anything?

[Matt Walsh]

Haven't heard anything. But we are officially Academy Awards submitted. We are potential nominees. So I had the team like make a movie poster because I said you don't have to wait until you win or even are nominated to put it on the movie poster. So I had to make up a movie poster that says, you know, best picture, potential nominee. And I, you know, we'll see. I'll, I'll wait for the. Now it's time to just wait for the accolades to not roll in because it's definitely not going to happen.

[Alex Clark]

But will Robin D'Angelo be getting a shout out in your Academy Awards acceptance?

[Matt Walsh]

Oh, absolutely, yeah. 100%. I mean, and the thing is, like, obviously we're not going to be nominated for anything, but. But, you know, we do have the most successful documentary of the year, and so by all rights, we should at least get a nomination in the documentary category if all things are fair in the world. But they aren't, so life's not fair.

[Alex Clark]

Have you let your kids watch the movie?

[Matt Walsh]

Actually, they haven't watched it yet. And I. I am going to let them watch it. I think it's. Especially my older kids. My older kids are 11, and I think it's. That's the right. You know, it's a. It's a fine age for a movie. I think some of it will go over their head and they're homeschooled. So one of my hesitations was that they haven't really been indoctrinated with this crazy race ideology yet. Part of me is thinking, do I really want to be the one who introduces these concepts to them? But then I think it's better for the parent to introduce it than to have someone in the world do it. So we are going to show them the film. I'm kind of kicking myself that I didn't take the opportunity to take my kids to a movie theater to actually watch.

[Alex Clark]

Oh, my God.

[Matt Walsh]

To see their dad, you know, in the big. On the big screen.

[Alex Clark]

But because I'm guessing what is a woman. That would have been definitely too inappropriate. They didn't see that one.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, they haven't seen that one, but they will now that it's available on Daily Wire. We'll. I think we'll make a family movie night out of it.

[Alex Clark]

And I heard that you said you never wanted to wear a suit jacket again after that movie.

[Matt Walsh]

The suit jacket wasn't the problem so much as the wig. I certainly never want to wear a wig again.

[Alex Clark]

See, now this is what I don't get. Like, it's so obvious to me, the wig, it's so obvious. But people just. Is it just because there's. People are so used to now men wearing wigs and makeup and stuff that nobody questions it.

[Matt Walsh]

I don't know. Well, look, it's a nice wig. I mean, everyone keeps claiming it's a bad wig, but it's. That was like. That's real human hair in that wig, which is pretty creepy. So I was wearing. Some person donated their hair, and I was wearing it for two years. I don't know. I mean, Robin D'Angelo, she put out a statement before the movie, like right before the movie came out. And she claimed that she denounced the movie, obviously. And she claimed that when she sat down for the interview that she could tell the interviewer was wearing an ill fitting wig. In her words. Which is. If that's true, then why did you. That's to your question, like, why would you. If you could tell that I was wearing an ill fitting wig, why did you sit down and have a two hour conversation with.

[Alex Clark]

It was two hours?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, maybe an hour and a half.

[Alex Clark]

Wow.

[Matt Walsh]

It was a long time. Almost maybe 90 minutes or so.

[Alex Clark]

And you don't break character the entire time.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, you can. I mean, from. From the time she comes in even before we're rolling to the time she leaves, I have to be, you know, quote unquote, in character.

[Alex Clark]

And so how do you get them? I mean, I'm assuming you're telling them they're sitting down for some kind of different premise.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, well, no, not really. No, it's not. What we tell them basically is we're doing a documentary on race in America and on the DEI industry. Now, Robin D'Angelo, we said we wanted to talk to her because she's a leader in this field and we're really interested in her insights. And all of that is true, right?

[Alex Clark]

It's all. That's all true. And then I'm assuming, you guys, they must say, well, what's the production company or something? You guys must have like a little fake name that you use or something like that.

[Matt Walsh]

Well, it depends on what you mean by fake. Fake is a strong word. It's a real name.

[Alex Clark]

It's a real name. It's just not blatant like Daily Wire, because there's no way anyone would be right.

[Matt Walsh]

Well, you know, production company has different names and so we had different, you know, it's just, it's all, it's all real, though. And we told them we wanted to make a documentary on race and that's what we made.

[Alex Clark]

And so that's how you get away with it. They have to sign away. Like, I agree, you can use my footage. They probably sign that beforehand. And then that's not illegal to then be like, okay, this is what the documentary is actually about. Because you told them just enough, right?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, they sign a waiver. They sign a waiver. And now, I don't know, it may be that some of the people in the film did not take the time to read thoroughly the waiver that they signed. I hope that's not the case. We give the Waiver, hoping everyone reads it through inside. But we can't be, you know, we don't.

[Alex Clark]

Right.

[Matt Walsh]

We can't force them to read it. It'd be really unfortunate if some of them, you know, didn't read it and. But that's a lesson for the future. Somebody gives you a waiver, sign it. In fact, I was given a waiver before we did this interview and I did not sign it. Oh, so this could go any. And I'm screwed. So. Yeah.

[Alex Clark]

Is it true that your media career started in radio?

[Matt Walsh]

It did, yeah.

[Alex Clark]

That's so interesting because so did mine. That's my background. I started in pop radio and I didn't know that. And I also started in Kentucky, so Louisville was the first place that I started. It was 9970JX, the CHR pop radio station. And then I ended up changing out of radio into now, working at Turning Point and doing this podcast and everything because it was so hard being conservative of working in mainstream media. So what was your story of what led you to get out of radio?

[Matt Walsh]

So I, I got into radio, into rock radio initially in 2000, maybe it's 2007 ish, 2008 around there and so tons of lifehouse. Yeah. Well, no, because it was like. It was more. What were we playing? We were playing more like. We played a lot of Nickelback.

[Alex Clark]

Yeah, of course.

[Matt Walsh]

But anyway. Yeah. And. And one of the things, you know, it was kind of interesting when I got into radio. It was. It was like right at the tail end of when music radio existed really. And. And when I first started, I worked at a small market station and it was staffed 24 hours a day, seven days a week. We had actual DJs there.

[Alex Clark]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

Even overnight. I did. Overnight. I was an overnight DJ for like a year.

[Alex Clark]

And that's how we usually start out. And then that's when you make your way up to, you know, eventually morning drive or afternoon drive with two.

[Matt Walsh]

Most everything is like automated now.

[Alex Clark]

Yes. And people don't realize that.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah.

[Alex Clark]

There's like literally seven radio personalities left in the country and they're computerized and they're on every single tiny to large station throughout the entire nation. It's so sad.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, it is kind of sad. And but up until, you know, the early part of the 2000s, yeah, you had small market radio was a thing and its own like culture. Its own. They had own like celebrities that were sort of famous in that one little town. And so I came in at the very tail end of that. And anyway, I was So I was in radio for. And then I transitioned into talk radio, political talk radio for a couple of years.

[Alex Clark]

So then you've always been conservative?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, I've been conservative for, you know, since I was born.

[Alex Clark]

There's a guy on X named Paul, and he said that your whole personality is just hating everything. So I thought that was funny because here's something that we both hate that I think we can agree on. Anime. What is your problem with anime?

[Matt Walsh]

I don't know if I'd say I even hate anime so much as I don't know if hate is the word. I do. There are a lot of things I hate. There's no question about it. I don't deny that. I just. Look, anime is just get a weird. It's a vibe thing, I'll admit, like, because I got a lot of trouble.

[Alex Clark]

You said it was satanic.

[Matt Walsh]

Part of the thing with me is that I'll say things that. To me, it's like, very clearly it's hyperbole. Yes, I. I'm overstating the case. Yes, on purpose. Just kind of to be funny. I think that's a normal way that people communicate. Like, humorous hyperbole is a normal thing human beings use with each other when they're talking. But with me, when I do it, I get, you know, 10,000 morons out there pretending they don't understand the concept of hyperbole. So is anime literally satanic? No, but it does. It's just like. It's weird to me. It's like, gives me a weird vibe.

[Alex Clark]

No, it's a weird, icky vibe. And it.

[Matt Walsh]

So that's my point.

[Alex Clark]

It always is, like really close. Closely linked to porn. Am I. Am I the only one that, like, sees this connection? I. I feel like there's. It always is, like it ends up there. It's just like a weird fine line. So I'm very against it. I. It gives me the ick. Like, if a guy is super into anime.

[Matt Walsh]

When we originally had this conversation about anime, and then I had a lot of people, you know, very upset and, and they were saying, well, you. Do you even know what. How do you even define anime? Do you even understand what anime is? And then it occurred to me that, yeah, I guess I don't know the exact parameters of anime. And it turns out that there's. There's some debate about, like, what qualifies as anime. But in the broader. In the broadest definition, anime is just anything animated that comes out of Japan is anime. And if that's the, like I'm sure Japan has made some decent animated shows. Fine. You know, if you, if you like some animated shows and you're like, that's fine. But grown men, here's anime video games is the other thing. I'm accused of being a video game hater and I hate gamers. That's not true. I don't hate gamers.

[Alex Clark]

I do.

[Matt Walsh]

But here's my point with any of that stuff. If it becomes, it should not be the focus of your life, if it becomes your personality, if it becomes the most important thing to you in your life, then, then it becomes a problem. Because as adults, you know, any kind of recreation or entertainment, it's fine to have recreation. It's time. It's fine to be entertained by things. But that shouldn't be the primary focus of your life. It shouldn't be your identity. And I say the same thing about sports. I'm a huge football fan. I love the Ravens, I'm a big NFL fan. But there are plenty of guys out there that's their sports team is their whole personality is what they care about most in life. It's immature. And as adults we should have, we should be able to keep entertainment. You should be able to sort of, within moderation, engage in these things.

[Alex Clark]

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[Matt Walsh]

I don't know if it's underrated. I mean, don't most people understand that? These people are bizarre.

[Alex Clark]

Super bizarre. And I was just reminded somebody posted a reminder that back in the 90s there was this famous couple. They had, they had gone to divorce court and they were divvying up their Beanie Babies. I mean, these people have lived amongst us for a while.

[Matt Walsh]

I mean, what do we qualify as a Disney adult? People that go to Disney World and don't have kids?

[Alex Clark]

Yes. Go to Disney without kids. And I.

[Matt Walsh]

Well, going to Disney with kids is still.

[Alex Clark]

No.

[Matt Walsh]

Is insane behavior in my mind.

[Alex Clark]

So this is off the table for your six children. You're never taking them to Disney.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. I mean, even leaving aside the ideological problems I have with Disney, and that's reason enough that I wouldn't want to support them and go to Disney World. But even pretending that's not an issue. And I got six kids. If we want to go on vacation, like going to Disney World, it's not like we can't just pop down there and go for a day and come back. That's like a week long thing. I got to dedicate a week to going somewhere as a family. I'm not giving it to an amusement park. We're going to spend the whole time in these huge crowds waiting in line. You spend 99% of your time, obviously, just waiting in lines. So as an adult, why would you. How is that fun for you to go to a place where 99% of your time you're waiting in a line with children who are whining the whole time because the line isn't moving fast enough. And that's how you want to spend your time. Go to a lake, go to a beach, go to out in nature somewhere and just spend time as a family away from the crowds.

[Alex Clark]

Are you at the point where your older kids are able to kind. You can kind of put them in charge of watching the younger ones a little bit, helping out? Give them some.

[Matt Walsh]

They can help, but not. I mean, we. I wouldn't send them, set them loose on Disney World with, with the kids.

[Alex Clark]

No, we're not doing that. We're not doing that. I just saw Ben Shapiro's appearance on Jubilee, doing that conversation, like debating 25 Kamala Harris fans or whatever. Can we expect to see you on there anytime soon?

[Matt Walsh]

Absolutely not. Hell no.

[Alex Clark]

Has Daily Wire asked you to do it yet?

[Matt Walsh]

They haven't, but I'm sure that that pitch is going to be made any day now. So as soon as I saw Ben on that show, I thought, well, I thought two things. I thought first I thought, okay, well, this will be good. And so I watched it because then it was good. But then my second thought was, oh, my God, they're going to. Now they're going to see all the clicks that Ben gets, and then someone's going to come pitch it to me.

[Alex Clark]

Are you the talent at the Daily Wire that is always the one that is going to say no? Like they anticipate, like, Matt will always say no. You have to keep pressing because that's how I am at Turning Point. I am the one that always says no at first. Drives everyone nuts.

[Matt Walsh]

I am more likely to say no to things than probably anybody else there. Michael Knowles, he'll do. Like, he'll. He says yes to everything. Every single thing he'll do.

[Alex Clark]

Is he too happy?

[Matt Walsh]

I don't know what it is. Yeah, that guy, he is a very happy guy and he's. And, you know, because he likes to socialize and he likes to go to events and do all this stuff. So I am, I'm the no guy.

[Alex Clark]

I. I don't think there's any.

[Matt Walsh]

I don't say no to everything.

[Alex Clark]

Well, of course. Well, you're here, I'm here. I mean, they had to drag you and kicking and stream screaming and, you know, chains around your wrists and everything and pull you in?

[Matt Walsh]

But gun to my head.

[Alex Clark]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

And the thing about that, what, what Ben did, the other point too is that he, it's why it's funny to me, the, the Kamala Harris supporters that chose to be a part of that because this kind of like rapid fire debate style, that's like Ben's, he's the best in the country at that. I mean, that's his thing is doing that. So it's fascinating to me that these people volunteered to just one at a time be eaten alive by Ben Shapiro on camera.

[Alex Clark]

Well, there was that one, like real little black girl and she went viral with Charlie Kirk doing this jubilee thing and debating her and then also Ben Shapiro. And did you see there were so many people on ex that are on the left that were like, she cooked. Like she completely destroyed them. And I'm sitting here watching like I'm trying to have an open mind. Like, okay, did she really out debate Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk? Like, I'm interested because there's not many people that can. And I do not see what they're seeing. I mean, are they just making stuff up?

[Matt Walsh]

First of all, they put the little caption up there because they know that most people aren't going to actually watch it. Or if they do watch it, they want you to go in like already looking for a certain thing. For people on the left, winning an argument is not presenting facts and making a logical argument. That's not how you win. You win the argument by, it's an emotional thing. You win the argument by proving that basically you have more emotionally invested in this topic than the other person does.

[Alex Clark]

It's just like screaming and yelling and you know, the one trans guy like slamming his chair down like that was.

[Matt Walsh]

Like, it's very performative. But in that conversation, conversation too, you notice that this is what they do. They sit down and they start the conversation not by presenting their position, but by establishing that they have a greater emotional tie to this topic than the other person does. And in the mind of a leftist, if you can establish that, then you automatically win. And that's why if you're, if you're debating a leftist on abortion and it's a woman and you're, and you're a man, you know, the leftist woman will always start by pointing out that, well, I'm a woman, this is about my body. And that's. And then from that point on, as far as they're concerned, they won the argument because they have more tied to this issue than you do.

[Alex Clark]

When you saw clips of Ben, you had posted. There is so much fundamental moral and scientific confusion at the root of leftism.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah.

[Alex Clark]

What did you mean by that?

[Matt Walsh]

That they are confused about everything, like down to the most fundamental foundational facts of life. And it wasn't always this way. I mean, there was a time, not all that long ago, when you could have the two sides in the political argument having a. Having an argument. And they did. They disagreed on many things sort of downstream, but there was at least some basic fundamental level agreement, like we lived in a shared reality at least, and we could agree on some of the points of that reality. And then from there we disagree about it. But.

[Alex Clark]

But how did they become so untethered to reality? How does that even happen to a group of people? That's why so many people that have been liberal their entire lives feel totally left behind and homeless politically because their side has just gone way further left. Whereas I feel like conservatives, we've relatively honestly stayed the same. We haven't changed. They've just are the ones who've changed and gone further left.

[Matt Walsh]

Well, some conservative. I think conservatives in the mainstream have changed by becoming more leftist also without even noticing it. Because as the, as the culture goes left, then being on the right is kind of relative. You're to the right of, you know, where the left is right now. And so as everything moves to the left, you can, you know, be. Be on the right while still taking positions that 20 years ago would have been considered liberal. In terms of how. Why it's happened this way, I think it's. It's relativism taken to its. It's sort of the inevitable consequence of moral relativism. And you hear people say this all the time, this is my truth, I'm standing on my truth and all that kind of stuff. And that's taken on a very literal meaning these days where people really do think that I have my own truth, you know, this is what's true for me. And now we see that that goes all the way down to. Human biology now is subject to that kind of relativism. Human biology is itself is relative to, in contingent on how I feel.

[Alex Clark]

Yeah. Speaking of that, you've said that the trans movement is the greatest evil our country faces.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. And I, and I think it is. Of course, anytime you're saying greatest evil, unfortunately there's, There's a lot of competition for that title.

[Alex Clark]

Yeah. White supremacy.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. Right. Climate change, you know, of course, as we know, or back in reality, things like the abortion, you know, killed 60 million babies. And in terms of body count. Nothing competes with that in human history. Nothing competes with the abortion movement. But the trans movement, it is this confusion. It's how confused it makes people where, where it's not even like they no longer understand biological realities and science. I mean that too, but they don't understand themselves. Like their own identity is now a mystery to themselves. And that's the effect that it has on people when they fall into this indoctrination. And then when, when you're walking around not even understanding who you are, at the most basic level, that breeds, you know, despair. And that's why you find that the, you know, suicide. I mean, there's different statistics on this and I'm not sure if there's any one statistic that's all that reliable, but almost everyone agrees that the, you know, certainly the suicide rate among trans identified people is much, much, much higher than, than it is in the general population.

[Alex Clark]

And it doesn't get better after.

[Matt Walsh]

It does not get better.

[Alex Clark]

And other countries have acknowledged that the United States is still behind, while other countries, like the uk Right, have said, okay, we're not going to be doing these surgeries on minors anymore because there's way too much regret after.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. And also the, the way that the, the trans activists will deal with that, with the, with the suicide rate is they'll say that, well, this is because they're being bullied, they're not being accepted in society. Well, if that was true, then what you should find is that as society becomes more accepting of transgenderism, you should find that the, that rate goes down precipitously. But that's not what you find at all. That no matter how accepting society becomes, still you have this sky high suicide rate. And the other interesting thing to consider too is that, you know, the trans movement will tell us that transgenderism is not a new phenomenon. They'll say that, you know, there's always been whatever the number of trans identified people is now like, let's say it's, let's say it's 1%. The trans movement will tell us that it will. It's always been 1%. You know, 600 years ago there was 1% of trans people.

[Alex Clark]

Yeah. They were just like living in fear or whatever.

[Matt Walsh]

They were living in fear. Well, but then if that's true, then you should also find as you go back through history, this mysterious suicide epidemic, because then that would be like they were living at a time when nobody was accepting of transgenderism.

[Alex Clark]

Yes.

[Matt Walsh]

And so what we should find by that logic is just this epidemic of People killing themselves, you know, by, by the millions, really, across the world. And you don't, you don't find that.

[Alex Clark]

And you have accomplished so many real world things when it comes to this issue. And I think this is really important to highlight because so many people, it's really frustrating because it's. Other conservatives will be like, what are conservatives really conserving? What work have you actually done besides, like, host a podcast or tweet stuff like. And they like to hold that against us. But you've really done a lot. So talk about what you've done. When it comes to helping minors who are being preyed upon by this movement.

[Matt Walsh]

Hasn'T just been me, of course, and there's been a movement of. I don't think it's been a large enough movement, but there have been conservatives that have been very effective in fighting back against this. On Team Sanity, if you look at the, the progress we've made just in the last, like three or four years now, there are dozens of states, just to start with, dozens of states that now have banned, you know, the mutilation and chemical castration, sterilization of children, which are laws that never should have had to be passed because it shouldn't have been happening in the first place, but it was. And it was happening for years before any state passed a law banning it. And now it's. I don't know what the exact number that we're up to now is, but it's. Dozens of states have passed laws against this, which is a huge, you know, obviously huge political and legislative win. Same thing with women in men and women's sports. You know, we see more policies and laws changing to protect women's sports, which is a big positive. But the bigger victory that I see, or kind of the underlying victory, it's more of a cultural thing where it seems to me now if you could, if you take where the culture is now, compare it to where it was four years ago on this particular issue, the majority of people, I think now are willing to speak out against this madness, the gender ideology madness. Call it for what it is. The left, they're now embarrassed by it in a way that they weren't through.

[Alex Clark]

You really think they're embarrassed?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. And that's, that's why you see on the left, like prominent people on the left over the last year, like, they have not been talking about this issue very much conspicuously.

[Alex Clark]

That's true.

[Matt Walsh]

You know, even, even as we head into election, they have not been campaigning on it, they have not been talking about it. That much on the right is more of like, bringing this up, putting it in ads and that sort of thing. So I think on the left, they. They see this as a losing cultural issue.

[Alex Clark]

Good.

[Matt Walsh]

Four years ago it wasn't. Right now it is.

[Alex Clark]

But you've also gotten different children's hospitals to stop offering sexual reassignment surgery to minors as well, right?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, well, it's. I mean, it started with Vanderbilt Hospital here in Tennessee when we uncovered the program that they had, through drugs and surgery, mutilating and butchering kids, gender confused kids.

[Alex Clark]

Do you see this a lot? Because I do a lot of. I call them like, low information, apathetic voters. Like people that are not super plugged in or don't really have, like, political news in their algorithm. Once in a while, if this kind of story comes up in their timeline from a conservative, they're like, this is ridiculous. This is not happening.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah.

[Alex Clark]

Nobody is doing surgeries like this on my. Do you ever see that?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, well, that was the. That was really the big hurdle we had to get over in this movement. Again, pushing back on gender ideology. It wasn't even like we had to explain to people necessarily why it's wrong to do this to kids. We didn't explain the reality that men are men and women are women. Most people understand all that. Again, you go back three, three, four or five years ago, people understood that, but they just didn't realize that this was an issue. And yeah, when they heard. When you. When we first started talking about gender transitions of minors, I think most normal people heard that and said, yeah, that's not actually happening. Like, nobody's really doing that. That's crazy. And so it really was more of like an awareness campaign. We had to make people aware that, no, this is happening. This is a real thing. It's a widespread problem that's happening all across the country. Thousands of kids are falling victim to it. That was the biggest hurdle, was just letting people know that this. This is actually, this is a thing, this is real. You know, once you are able to reveal that to people, then. Then most. Most people from there can kind of connect the dots.

[Alex Clark]

And was it there also a children's hospital in Boston or something?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, the Boston Children's Hospital. The organization do no Harm put out a report recently about how many hospitals across the country have engaged in these quote, unquote, gender transition procedures. And it was, you know, they. It's in their report. I forget the exact number of hospitals, but it's hundreds and hundreds of hospitals.

[Alex Clark]

Hundreds?

[Matt Walsh]

Oh, yeah. Have. Have have done this.

[Alex Clark]

See even the people that are like okay, fine, it's happening. Probably think it's like maybe three at the most. Hundreds of hospitals.

[Matt Walsh]

Yes, hundreds of hospitals for sure.

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[Matt Walsh]

I think it's legislation. You can read the political tea leaves. When we made what Is a Woman? And that was. We were shooting it three years ago as part of filming that. We went around the country to different cities and we did kind of man on the street interviews and just normal people and asked them about some about these issues. And we found that at that time, it was very difficult to find anyone, no matter what. Man, woman, old, young, didn't matter. Black, white. It was difficult to find anyone who would go on camera and go on the record saying that a woman is an adult human female. No, men should not be allowed in the women's locker room. Like, it was difficult to find anyone who was willing to say that on camera three years ago. I think that if I were to. You go and do that same thing now, go to the same cities, talk to the same kinds of people, I think you'd find a lot more people who are willing to, like, stand in front of the camera and proudly say, yeah, a woman is a female. You know, of course, men don't belong in the women's locker room, that sort of thing.

[Alex Clark]

So, you know who's really supported you this is J.K. rowling.

[Matt Walsh]

She's spoken out. She's spoken out forcefully on this issue, which I really appreciate also.

[Alex Clark]

You, like, she's called you out and thanked you for your work on this.

[Matt Walsh]

She did, but then she. The. The feminists on her side were not happy about that. So then she turned around, she retracted. She. She retracted and denounced me as a sexist.

[Alex Clark]

No, we were close, okay. I was like, really hopeful, which is fine.

[Matt Walsh]

Like, you know what? It's fine. I. She's got it. That's what she felt like she had to do. And whatever you think if she wanted.

[Alex Clark]

To change her tune again and admit, like, okay, no, I. With Matt he's not that bad of a guy.

[Matt Walsh]

She'll never say that.

[Alex Clark]

You don't think. I mean, they haven't. It's not like she's won back their good graces after all this. I mean, they still hate her.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, exactly.

[Alex Clark]

The entire Harry Potter cast has, like, denounced her and said, we want nothing to do with her. Even though she create, you know, she's the reason that they have.

[Matt Walsh]

But J.K. rowling, she lives in the. In this kind of gender critical feminist space. I mean, what. What on the other side, derisively, they call turfs.

[Alex Clark]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

So that's. That's J.K. rowling's world. And so that's a lot of, like, like, and, and these feminists who have spoken out against gender ideology, I give them credit for that. I think they're wrong about, like, everything else, but that's the world that she's in. And if you're a liberal feminist, you don't like me.

[Alex Clark]

And so, because they still believe in things like, you know, abortion.

[Matt Walsh]

Abortion. I mean, that's like the, The. The big thing.

[Alex Clark]

If she were to totally transform on all these cultural issues, it would be so cool for, like, Daily Wire and her to work together, for her to kind of create another fantasy movie or series. You know, it would be so cool for both these worlds to collide. But, yeah, she. It sounds like she still.

[Matt Walsh]

It would be really cool. I can't speak. I don't make any decisions about Daily Wire, but I think I can speak for the Daily Wire executives when I say that they would love to work with JK Row.

[Alex Clark]

Of course, it'll never.

[Matt Walsh]

It'll never happen in a million years, but we can hope.

[Alex Clark]

You have said all a man wants is to come home from a long day at work to a grateful wife, children, happy to see him. Dinner cooking on the stove. Stove. This is literally all it takes to make a man happy. If your husband is unhappy, consider whether you give him the one thing he wants. So, Matt Walsh, are you saying that wearing a dress and cooking your man a steak is the secret to a happy marriage?

[Matt Walsh]

It helps. I mean, it's. It. It's not the whole thing. Obviously, there's a lot more to it. It doesn't have to be a steak, you know, could be. There's all whatever you want, you know? Yeah, I remember tweeting that. I guess that was. I don't know when that was, but. And it was another. Another outrage cycle that lasts a couple. Couple of days, which is just funny to me because it's like, all, I'm. First of all, it's another one of those things where I'm saying something that 30 years ago, 40 years ago, it would seem bizarre to say only because it's so obvious. And now we treat this thing that was considered obvious forever. Now we treat it like it's this shocking concept. And then the other thing people do is that they, they, you know, you make a statement like that, and people attach a lot of other ideas to.

[Alex Clark]

It that you didn't actually say sexism, misogyny.

[Matt Walsh]

Right. Or. Or they. The thing they attach to is that, oh, so you're saying that a man shouldn't have to do anything for his wife. You're saying that it's all on the woman to maintain a healthy marriage. No, I didn't say that. I'm just saying here's one thing a woman can do to help keep it a happy, happy marriage. And I think, in fact, we spend a lot of time talking about the things that men can do and should do. And we spend a lot of time. When I say we, I mean, like, culturally.

[Alex Clark]

Does any of it include doing work on the outside of the house, shirtless, A little tool belt? Because it should.

[Matt Walsh]

I'll admit I'm not the handiest guy, so I wouldn't. I wouldn't be the guy to give that particular lecture. Now, I can pay for someone to do.

[Alex Clark]

That's right. So that's right.

[Matt Walsh]

I still make sure it's done.

[Alex Clark]

So what do you say when people say a statement like that, saying that you should expect your wife to have dinner on the stove when you come home, and children happy to see you and all of this. What do you say to those that say, well, this is deeply sexist?

[Matt Walsh]

Well, to the people I say you're stupid. I mean, that's, It's. That's a dumb way of. It's just, It's a dumb response. Like, why is it sexist? What about it is sexist?

[Alex Clark]

I don't know. I guess a wife's worth should be more than making sure that she. She's cooking you a hot dinner.

[Matt Walsh]

That's what makes it dumb is that. I never said that. This is. I didn't say, like, this is. This is the only thing that needs to be said about marriage. I never said that. Like, this is just. This is one thing. Here's a thing, here's a thought.

[Alex Clark]

Is that the most frustrating thing about Twitter is that if you do not go through every single nuance to every, Every discussion, every, like, outlier, then you're not, you're not being fair.

[Matt Walsh]

Whatever comment you make on a topic that is apparently the only thing you think on that topic. And then you get all these responses from people saying, well, what about this? What about that? What about there's a character limit? And so you can't communicate every single facet of every topic in every tweet. You can't even do that in a conversation. And that's what makes a lot of these debates sort of fruitless. Is that because also it's a lot of. It's like bad faith, you know.

[Alex Clark]

So how long have you been married? Read.

[Matt Walsh]

13 years.

[Alex Clark]

What do you think all a woman wants is?

[Matt Walsh]

I think women want a man who's going to, you know, and I'll be accused of sexism again because it's going to sound stereotypical, but I think a man, Women do want men who. A man's going to provide, protect, provide stability and security in, in their life. They want to. A woman wants to be able to look to her husband and feel like, okay, things are going to be okay. He knows what he's doing. Which doesn't mean that the woman herself is incompetent and can't do anything. But, you know, you want a man who's like, could take charge of a situation and say, you know, and, and, and when I say provide security, I mean in that way, like, it's, it's not just, oh, I'm gonna shoot a bad guy if he comes to the house. Although a woman does want a man who can do that and is willing to do that, feeling safe and secure in, in life, in everyday life is much more than, than that. And, you know, that's, that's like a fundamental thing. And there's, there's a lot more that you build on top of that, obviously.

[Alex Clark]

Well, I think one underrated thing that women want, and maybe sometimes, especially when we're younger, we don't know that we want. This is somebody that we can trust on an intellectual level to lead. So I think sometimes, especially when it comes to child rearing, we assume like, well, we know what's best. Like when it comes to family decisions involving our kids, education, whatever, religious views, things like that, that, like, we have to be the ones to make that decision because our husband doesn't know. There is such a weight lifted for women. I think when you are with a man that you can trust, like, okay, if I were to truly step away and every even little minor decision to be made about our children, my husband was to do without me I would trust, I know that he would make the right decision and a decision that I would agree with, with. I think that's like a huge underrated part of it is like I trust his decision making for our family.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah.

[Alex Clark]

And that comes to respect too, which is something that men really want to feel from the woman they're with. Right. Like is. Is respected.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. I think that kind of the classic way of putting it is that women want to feel loved, men want to feel respected. Now of course men also want to be loved and women want to be respected too. But I think it's, it's so, it's in both cases it's actually love. Like, you know, if you are as a woman respecting your husband, that's you're, you're loving him. When a marriage goes wrong, when, when things are, you know, on the rocks and a marriage is having problems, very often the thing that's lying at the bottom of that is a lack of appreciation. And if so if you talk to, if you talk to the man who's in the bad marriage or the woman and like you're going to hear that same message from both of them that they don't feel appreciated, that means different things to both of them. But that's a, that's a common like theme is the man, like, I do all these things for her, she doesn't notice, she doesn't appreciate what I do. And the woman says the same thing.

[Alex Clark]

So how did you meet your wife?

[Matt Walsh]

I met her online.

[Alex Clark]

You met her online?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah.

[Alex Clark]

You know, a lot of conservatives like to grandstand about how horrible online dating is that they would never do it, that conservatives should never do it. Do you feel like they're just ignorant on the subject?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. It would be ridiculous to say never do it. And I couldn't say that because I did meet my wife a lot. Now this was like 14 years ago. It's a very different, was a different world. Like dating apps. That was not a thing. Back, back when I met my wife, we had, we had like sites so you had to like websites. You had to go www, you know, do it the old fashioned way.

[Alex Clark]

Do you remember what your profile said?

[Matt Walsh]

I don't remember.

[Alex Clark]

Do you remember what hers said?

[Matt Walsh]

Yes, I remember.

[Alex Clark]

Remember what?

[Matt Walsh]

I'm just saying I remember because I feel like I should remember. But I do know that I was in the online dating world, like not for very long and I met my wife really quickly. So it's so I, you know, I can only give it a thumbs up.

[Alex Clark]

I might stay out of Those discussions when people are like, get off dating apps.

[Matt Walsh]

Well, look, it's, it's. There's only so many ways to meet a person. And I think one of the problems in the modern world, there, There are fewer and fewer ways to meet someone. This is the complaint you hear from younger single people all the time. And, and I think, I'm sure they're right. I, I don't. Like, I thank God every day that I'm married. I, I do not envy young single people in the world today.

[Alex Clark]

It sucks.

[Matt Walsh]

So, yes, here's the problem. Like, and I'll just say from the perspective, perspective of a young man who wants to meet a woman, where can you go to meet a woman? Like, okay, you can say, well, you can meet someone on the job. And some people, a lot of people meet, meet at work. But also these days, in like, the me, the Me Too era, meeting someone at work and trying to establish some kind of relationship that could be dicey, that could go wrong. And so then you feel like, well, that's, that's out. Where else are you going to go? Where else? You mean you can maybe meet someone at the gym or something? Or at church is a good, is a good place. If you can meet someone at church, great. But the churches are kind of dying. I mean, a lot of churches now are older, you know, so you kind of whittled away a lot of these normal places where you meet people out in the quote unquote, real world, and that leaves you with.

[Alex Clark]

For the man, that's mostly negative. You do have some empathy for people struggling with singleness longer than they want to.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah.

[Alex Clark]

Something else that I don't agree with conservatives on is their absolute seething hatred of Taylor Swift. Who is more obnoxious? Taylor Swift lovers or Taylor Swift haters?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. I kind of feel like if you have too strong of opinion of Taylor Swift, either way, you're obnoxious.

[Alex Clark]

I'm out.

[Matt Walsh]

If you're going to frame it that way, then. Because I know you expect me to be on your side on this thing, but if you frame it that way, then I have to say that Taylor Swift lovers tend to be more obnoxious.

[Alex Clark]

Okay, fair. I can take the heat.

[Matt Walsh]

Well, I don't know. I mean, it depends on how. Because I'm thinking of, like, worshipful, idolizing.

[Alex Clark]

Depends on the person. I get accused of that all the time because I'm such a fan. So conservatives in my audience, there are a lot that believe you cannot be conservative and love Taylor Swift. And so my question is, Matt Are true conservatives really only watching and listening to art that is made exclusively by conservatives? Is this a fair purity test of your conservatism?

[Matt Walsh]

No, no, I don't think. And what I've said about Taylor Swift is I'm not a fan of hers. Mainly it's just not my, not my, not my style.

[Alex Clark]

Yeah, I wouldn't expect it to be.

[Matt Walsh]

But of all the music out in, you know, in the pop culture scene right now, like, hers is not nearly as objectionable as a lot of the other filth. That's the way I. That's my ringing endorsement of Taylor Swift. It's like, it's not as bad as a lot of his other stuff, I guess. Last. Last year in particular, there was a. Felt like there was three or four months when conservatives were hyper fixated on Taylor Swift obsessed. And I just didn't get it because again, there are, there are way worse offenders out there in the pop culture.

[Alex Clark]

That's what I say.

[Matt Walsh]

So I don't know, you know, if we're going to start complaining about singers and pop artists. She's like, she's down on the list. She's farther down the list. I. There's, there's many, many people that are worse than her.

[Alex Clark]

So here's what we need to know. If you had been given the opportunity for free to attend the ERAs tour with Michael Knowles, would you have said yes?

[Matt Walsh]

A no. That's an easy no.

[Alex Clark]

Another no.

[Matt Walsh]

And I have to go with Michael. It's even worse.

[Alex Clark]

There were some people in the, in the movie Am I Racist? That you had mentioned asked for like $50,000 to appear in the film. Like this woman who claimed that her kids were snubbed by a racist Muppet mascot. Yeah, yeah. So what happens in those situations? Does Daily Wire actually pay these people $50,000?

[Matt Walsh]

Oh, yeah, yeah. We put the, we put the price tag on the screen and because we wanted people to see how much we had to pay to get these people to talk to us. And the price tag is what we paid. We paid them that amount of money. And so we got, we definitely got scammed. I mean, I got ripped off badly making this movie. We kind of said that. I think we went into the process of making the movie, we didn't realize that we would have to pay all these people to talk to us. So we didn't necessarily originally plan to have that as sort of a theme, but as we started making it and reaching out and we realized that, like, all these people want to be paid. And so we said, okay. We'll pay them and we're going to put it in the movie.

[Alex Clark]

Was there any moment that you honestly almost started laughing? There has to have been something.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, there. There probably were. I mean, the race to dinner scene.

[Alex Clark]

But you had a mask on, so that helped.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, the mask helped. But I'm intentionally making situations awkward. And I'm aware of that. Like, I'm not a total psychopath. And so it is also awkward. For me, it's. But for me, it's less. Like the temptation is less laughing and more getting angry and yelling at these people. So that I had to. I had to spend more internal energy stopping myself from doing that than laughing. Because especially when you're sitting. Like I said, Robin DiAngelo in real time, that's like a 90 minute conversation. And I'm agreeing with her the entire time. I mean, that's the approach we took for this film is I'm not. I'm presenting myself as someone who agrees. And in fact, I'm more invested in it than a lot of the people are. I'm trying to. Like, they're leading me and I'm leading them and we go down the rabbit hole together.

[Alex Clark]

Utah, like morning show or whatever. When you're having them, like put their arms up and everything. I don't know how, I don't know how you didn't bust out laughing. I could just couldn't do it. It's truly remarkable. I mean, your acting skills are incredible. And that's why I think the movie has done so well. My recommendation, the next movie in this, it's kind of now become your thing. You know, you're always going to have to go undercover and do these. This is. It's too successful.

[Matt Walsh]

So what's your pitch?

[Alex Clark]

So my pitch is, what is a teacher and expose these. These activists and just the straight up lack of education happening in American public schools.

[Matt Walsh]

You're saying I go undercover as a teacher?

[Alex Clark]

Yeah, you have to go undercover as a teacher. And you have to then, you know, sit in the teacher break rooms, talk about how are we going to get this, you know, kid to. And then that kind of encompasses everything because you got the gender stuff, you got the race stuff, you know, and also just they're not learning how to read, they're not learning how to write. Like, oh, little. You know, Jimmy doesn't know how to read, but he recognizes his white privilege. So we can call this a win. Right? Like, I'm just imagining the conversations that could happen. I feel like. I feel like that could be a.

[Matt Walsh]

Winner I like the idea, but now I can't do it because of course we have to keep going. We can't stop it. You can't stop at two movies. At least. You have to have a trilogy. So I'm thinking about that and putting ideas together. But it is a challenge. Number one, it's going to be even harder this time to not be recognized. You have to start thinking about what are the big areas, like with. With what is a woman. We took on lgbt, trans. You know, it's a huge battlefield in the culture war. Right. And then. Am I racist? We took on race. Huge battlefield.

[Alex Clark]

I'm trying to think what the third one.

[Matt Walsh]

So now we're thinking about what are the other major battlefields.

[Alex Clark]

Okay. Something to think. Everybody can guess in the comments what you think it is. You may not know this, but you and I have beef.

[Matt Walsh]

We do. Okay.

[Alex Clark]

Specifically dairy.

[Matt Walsh]

Oh, I know. Okay.

[Alex Clark]

Do you have any ideas?

[Matt Walsh]

Are you a raw milk?

[Alex Clark]

I'm a raw milk fanatic. So I hear you have a problem with people who drink raw milk. You said it's disgusting. People are opening up themselves to just willingly consume milk with E. Coli and listeria.

[Matt Walsh]

It's E. Coli flavored milk.

[Alex Clark]

No, that's what it's not. It's the most. It's one of nature's super food.

[Matt Walsh]

It tastes like E. Coli. I've tried it before.

[Alex Clark]

You've tried it?

[Matt Walsh]

It tastes like E. Coli.

[Alex Clark]

Okay, well, we may have gone to a local farm and picked up up some raw milk for you to try with me.

[Matt Walsh]

What's in it for me?

[Alex Clark]

What's in it for you? Okay. Helps fight allergies, asthma. It has. It has 100% nutrients, vitamins, minerals that are zapped away in pasteurization. You're getting all of these amazing benefits, good gut bacteria that we're stripped from and everyday life.

[Matt Walsh]

Do you have, like, a great idea for a bit where you would stab me in the throat? Is that another.

[Alex Clark]

No.

[Matt Walsh]

Another fun idea.

[Alex Clark]

I just think. I think we should put the beef to bed and. And cheers. A little raw milk.

[Matt Walsh]

Put it to bed by poisoning me?

[Alex Clark]

It's not poison.

[Matt Walsh]

With your disgusting, tainted milk.

[Alex Clark]

It's. It's literally. This is the thing that's crazy is there's no way. I don't know where you got your milk, but if you are getting it from a reputable, organic, regenerative farm, raw milk is the best tasting milk there is. It's way better tasting than pasteurized milk. Do you drink pasteurized milk?

[Matt Walsh]

Well, I don't drink milk at all? Because I'm not seven years old. I haven't had a glass of milk in forever.

[Alex Clark]

Okay, so are you willing to try it? A sip?

[Matt Walsh]

I'm not going to commit to it, but you can present the milk.

[Alex Clark]

We can look. Well, the farmer. The farmer did a whole test for you. It's like a seven second video showing you test results of how clean this milk is comparatively that we want to show you.

[Matt Walsh]

What color is it?

[Alex Clark]

It's white.

[Matt Walsh]

It's like brownish green.

[Alex Clark]

No, it's white.

[Matt Walsh]

It's got little hairs floating in it.

[Alex Clark]

It's from Lepers Creek Farm in Tennessee. So wait, we're going to show you this video? Do you see anything in there? Does it look weird to you?

[Matt Walsh]

I mean, the whole thing is weird to me. This whole scenario is.

[Alex Clark]

And so ramy standards is you want 10 dots or less on. On here.

[Matt Walsh]

For all I know, she could have just drawn those dots on there. I don't know what. I don't know what a milk test looks like.

[Alex Clark]

Are you willing to try? If I try it first, will that put you at ease?

[Matt Walsh]

Well, your. Your immune system has already.

[Alex Clark]

You don't have to guzzle this whole.

[Matt Walsh]

Thing because you've been drinking this third world milk your whole life. And so you're. It's like going to a third world country where they can drink the water. It doesn't mean I can.

[Alex Clark]

Yes, all you need to do is a sip. You start out with the shot sauce a day. All right, here we go.

[Matt Walsh]

Go. Horrifying.

[Alex Clark]

Are you convulsing?

[Matt Walsh]

I can. I can taste the fecal matter in it.

[Alex Clark]

He's lying. It tastes delicious.

[Matt Walsh]

It tastes like a virus. It has like a viral. It has like a viral aftertaste.

[Alex Clark]

We don't got him. Now listen. It's the most delicious milk you will ever have.

[Matt Walsh]

I can feel the bacteria just like coursing through me.

[Alex Clark]

Well, I appreciate you being willing to try it. That was very brave of you.

[Matt Walsh]

Thank you.

[Alex Clark]

Showed a lot of strength.

[Matt Walsh]

It did.

[Alex Clark]

I won't tell anyone. If you want to drink the rest, I.

[Matt Walsh]

That's the least appetizing invitation I've ever been given in my life.

[Alex Clark]

We just saw, you know, a little taste test so we could just put the beef to bed. So we're good now?

[Matt Walsh]

All you've done is confirm all of my worst suspicions about raw milk.

[Alex Clark]

You don't have to be somebody that drinks it all the time. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna say everybody and then what's.

[Matt Walsh]

When I go home later. And I die, then this episode, you'll. It'll never see the light of day.

[Alex Clark]

It will see the light of day because you're going to be just.

[Matt Walsh]

You have to agree it when I. If I die. You're still putting this episode out?

[Alex Clark]

We're still putting it out.

[Matt Walsh]

This is my last will and testament to.

[Alex Clark]

We'll at least do an in memory of like, we'll do something nice in memoriam. Okay, yeah, in memoriam. It'll be in memoriam. But listen, Paul Saladino is. He wants to bring you to Costa Rica to do like a whole raw milk expose. Would that be something you'd be willing to do? You know, Carnivore md.

[Matt Walsh]

Do I want to go down to a foreign country to do what?

[Alex Clark]

To try their raw milk and hang with.

[Matt Walsh]

Every idea you have is worse than the last.

[Alex Clark]

Like, well, he's willing to bring you out.

[Matt Walsh]

I cannot think of a vacation less. That's every element of a. Of a. You know, you might as well add. Add Disney World into it to make.

[Alex Clark]

It really bad when babies and kids drink raw milk. Early consumption of raw milk, their risk for respiratory disease, infections, fever drops by 30%. This is PubMed. If you type in raw milk on PubMed, you will see a slew of articles talking about all these asthma, allergies, all of these things going down, down. So I'm just telling you, that's what you say. You're like, this is like a leftist debating, you know, where it's all emotion and I'm bringing you the facts.

[Matt Walsh]

Okay, but pasteurizing milk just means that you're sanitizing it.

[Alex Clark]

You don't need it to be seen. It depends on the farm you're getting it from.

[Matt Walsh]

So are you next, Are we going to have a raw water movement? You're going to drink straight out of a. Go down. Go down to Nashville here, downtown, go to one of the lakes and just take a.

[Alex Clark]

Okay, but this is the other glass.

[Matt Walsh]

Of water right out of a lake in Nashville.

[Alex Clark]

You and I also disagree. You can tell the difference between different brands of bottled water too. And you and you disagree with me on that. And I could. I have done a blind taste test before. I'm like, this is Arrowhead, this is Dasani. You can absolutely tell.

[Matt Walsh]

No, there's no way you can.

[Alex Clark]

Yeah, you. So this proves that you're wrong.

[Matt Walsh]

I bet you $50,000 that you can tell the difference between bottled water in a blind taste test.

[Alex Clark]

Vote in the comments.

[Matt Walsh]

$50,000.

[Alex Clark]

I know I'm right on this. So this Makes your whole raw milk argument null and void. Okay, where can people watch? Am I racist?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, please. I'm going to need the money now for my medical bills. After consuming that, you can go to dailywire.com and stream it right now.

[Alex Clark]

How often do you release new episodes of the Matt Walsh Show? And what can people find there?

[Matt Walsh]

Before this, I did release them every day. But now I'm gonna have to take some medical leave and we'll see. We'll see what happens.

[Alex Clark]

Tell everyone where to follow you on.

[Matt Walsh]

X at Matt Walsh Blog.

[Alex Clark]

Thank you, Matt for coming on Culture Apothecary.

[Matt Walsh]

Thanks.

[Alex Clark]

Immemorium starts now. Well, I'm not sure I convinced him on the raw milk, but otherwise I think it was a great interview. Shout out to Lifers Creek Farm in Nashville area for providing the raw milk. That was super generous of them and it was great. Don't listen to Ma that. It was awesome. He just, you know, you know how he is. Okay, thank you so much for listening. Make sure you're subscribed. Leave a five star review if you enjoyed this episode. New episodes come out usually every Monday and Thursday. I'm Alex Clark and this is Culture Apothecary.