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'It's All A Lie:’ Buried Science On Vaccines & An Agenda Keeping Parents In The Dark | Del Bigtree
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Dell BigTree
This is gonna be censored so quickly.
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Alex Clark
Probably Spotify video only.
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Dell BigTree
Honestly, President Roosevelt, famous for having polio in the wheelchair. He had transverse myelitis.
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Alex Clark
No way.
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Dell BigTree
Didn't have polio.
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Alex Clark
You say all of this glowing stuff about Bobby, but aren't you suing him?
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Dell BigTree
Not suing him yet. I do believe when people see the truth on this, it will reveal everything that's corrupt about the world that you live.
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Alex Clark
He's known as the godfather of the anti Vax movement. Del Bigtree went from being a big shot Hollywood producer working on the Doctors TV show to uncovering vaccine related information. So earth shattering, he felt compelled to quit the Doctors and follow the invisible thread to the see where it led. That journey culminated in the creation of the controversial documentary Vaxxed From COVID up to Catastrophe. The launch of the High Wire, a webcast focused on vaccines and health freedom, and his founding of icann, the Informed Consent Action Network, an organization that promotes vaccine choice and questions vaccine safety. He also served as communications director for Bobby Kennedy's 2024 presidential campaign. Today I bring Dell my most challenging questions to the table and nothing is off limits as we deep dive into the heart of the anti Vaxx movement. Due to the sensitive nature of this topic, this episode will not be available on YouTube. You can watch it exclusively on Spotify by subscribing to Culture Apothecary or listen on Apple Podcasts. I'll also put it on X at yoalexraps with a Z. This conversation takes courage, so please support our work by leaving a five star review before we begin. Now, please welcome Del Big Tree to Culture Apothecary. I'll name a vaccine, you say yes or no if you would give it to your child.
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Dell BigTree
Okay, this will be easy.
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Alex Clark
Hep B?
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Dell BigTree
No.
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Alex Clark
Mmr?
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Dell BigTree
No.
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Alex Clark
Dtap?
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Dell BigTree
No.
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Alex Clark
Flu?
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Dell BigTree
No.
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Alex Clark
Polio?
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Dell BigTree
No.
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Alex Clark
Covid?
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Dell BigTree
No.
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Alex Clark
Hpv?
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Dell BigTree
No.
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Alex Clark
No vaccines at all.
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Dell BigTree
Absolutely not. I have two kids. They have received zero vaccines.
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Alex Clark
What is the single fact about the childhood vaccine schedule that if parents knew it, you believe would shatter their trust in the system instantly.
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Dell BigTree
The fact that not a single one of these vaccines ever went through a safety trial, full stop. The only way you determine safety in a pharmaceutical product is a double blind placebo based study where one group gets the product, the other group gets a. In this case a saline injection has no effect on the human body and you track their health comes outcomes for you know, at least in most drug cases, two years, six years. They never ever did that on a single childhood vaccine. So there's no way to say that the product is safe. And then there's never been a study comparing the 72. And now when you start adding Covid and the new vaccines coming, it could be as high as 90 vaccines by the time you're 18. There has never been one single study ever done comparing kids who get 72 vaccines to those that get none. And so if you have no concept if they're safe, and you've never proven that kids that get vaccinations are healthier than those that don't, then I just have a standard principle where I don't inject myself for my kids with products that have never been through a safety study. And I want evidence that these things actually make us healthier.
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Alex Clark
Do you believe that the CDC knows that they're harming children with the current vaccine schedule and yet continues to anyway?
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Dell BigTree
No, I believe that for the most. And CDC is a broad term, right? I mean, I think there are a very small group of individuals that actually understand the carnage that is taking place from the vaccine program. But for the most part, I think that science is based, is compartmentalized. People are siloed into different parts of the, you know, the science or the investigation, they mean very well, but they have no idea what they're a part of. For instance, they don't know that no vaccine's ever been through a safety study. They don't know that we've never tested the entire vaccine schedule.
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Alex Clark
How do the people suggesting what the childhood schedule should be not know that?
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Dell BigTree
It's incredible, isn't it? I mean, this story is the most amazing story anyone could ever investigate. Which is why as a journalist, that's why I left the doctor's television show on CBS where I wanted Emmy award. I got into an investigation that ended up being, I think, the most important and fascinating investigation in our lifetime. This pharmaceutical, especially this vaccine story encompasses everything there is to do with corruption. The corruption of your government, the corruption of your media, the, you know, corporate capture of America and really the world. This isn't just the US's problem. The entire COVID pandemic was foisted upon us by the pharmaceutical industry that also controls who. World Economic Economic Forum. This thing is as big and as ugly and as dark as it gets. And I believe it's, it's all around the greatest lie ever told, which is that vaccines are safe and vaccines are effective. People have finally just started waking up their eyes because they saw the COVID vaccine. They recognize we were lied to. They know now that the government got up and said, this is 95% effective. If you take this, it'll stop. It stops with you. Virus stops with you, you'll never transmit it to anyone else. Everyone knows that was a lie. And it was a lie. I reported one day before anyone received that vaccine outside the trial saying, this is a lie, it's not 95% effective. I pointed out the emergency use authorization by the FDA where they stated, we have no idea if this thing stops transmission. So I proved on day one, they're already lying to you. Now we see turbo cancers. Now we know for a fact that the heart swells in our children. Pericarditis, myocarditis. This is a known fact. So now we know for the first time that this vaccine is more dangerous than the virus was itself, is going to cause more death in children. So that was an eye opening moment for the world. It wasn't for me because I know every other vaccine prior to that was rushed onto the market the exact same way and as many of the same side effects and also rarely stops transmission. So people are waking up to something that I've been on investigation for nearly 10 years on.
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Alex Clark
How do you know which science to reject and which science to trust?
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Dell BigTree
You have to know what science is, okay? Science has to be reproducible. You have to be able to produce, you know, your, if the drug works, then anybody should be able to run the same study, get the same result. Also, science should invite the challenge. The scientific method requires that we, you know, hit a hypothesis, if you will, with every problem we have with we try to tear it down. Every scientist should come from around the world and tear down someone's hypothesis of what they think is happening. If you can't, then it moves into being an official theory. And then years later someone may come up with an argument you've never seen before and they end up, that theory changes. That's how science works. Same thing with, you know, scientific products. If someone believes that a vaccine is dangerous, they should be invited onto a podium in front of the world, say, lay it on us, how do you think this vaccine is dangerous? How do you think it causes harm? And then they should bring all of that science and challenge the product and say, just like a crash test, it's why we run, you know, trucks into walls and to make sure that it's as safe as the manufacturer says. You don't want the manufacturer doing their own safety tests, but that's what they do in the pharmaceutical industry. And you don't want all people from the pharmaceutical industry, the ones that are on your, like, regulatory boards, making sure that the tests are being done right. And when you see people that are questioning the safety of a vaccine lose their license, get ridiculed like Robert Kennedy Jr. Has for 20 years when they get attacked for asking really basic questions like, why have you never done a double blind placebo trial? Why is there no comparative study between the vaccine and the unvaccinated, proving that our children are safer when they're vaccinated? You're a heretic. He's a liar. He should never, he should never be allowed to speak. That means you are no longer involved in science. That is a religion. Religions are based on faith. Religions are based on attacks. Religions are based on war. They're not based on the scientific method, which is bring us your best argument and we will refute it. And up until this moment, no doctor or scientist will ever step on a stage with me, Will never step on a stage with Robert Kennedy Jr. Even Joe Rogan challenged Peter Hotez one time just a couple years ago, saying, hey, Robert Kennedy Jr. Is willing to sit on a stage with you and have a debate about the safety of vaccines. And Hotez refused. And I think there was even they, like offered monies. Like, people started saying, I'll offer money for them to do it. And I believe it was like a million dollars to any charity of your choice ended up being offered by, you know, people from around the. And he still refused. That is not science.
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Alex Clark
So how do you go from being one of the most sought after executive producers in television to becoming the leading anti Vax activist in America?
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Dell BigTree
I'm amazed more people haven't done it. But I consider myself a journalist because I'm fascinated by people. I am fascinated by a good story and a good investigation. We're really just detectives, if you will. And this was a story that once I saw it when, I mean, really, it started with the documentary Vax that I made about a whistleblower inside the CDC, Dr. William Thompson, that came forward in 2015 and said, we're committing scientific fraud on the vaccine safety studies in here. That's as big a statement as I'd ever heard my life. And then when he provided 10,000 documents showing how they committed fraud, especially on the MMR autism study. So this was the measles moms rubella study that was done in 2000. Between 2000, 2004, you know, is the MMR vaccine related to autism? And when you look and Vax covers it, my film covered that. I left CBS to make this documentary. It was clear to Me as clear as day that our CDC committed scientific fraud over the most controversial conversation there is around vaccines. Does it cause autism? And so when I saw that, you know, like all of us, we've heard this has been studied extensively. There's mountains of evidence showing that vaccines is the one thing we know doesn't cause autism. When I looked at this study and saw the fraud around it, I thought.
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Alex Clark
Oh, my God, what fraud did you see?
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Dell BigTree
Well, the fact that they kicked half the kids off the study in the middle of the trial of the study. I mean, that's scientific fraud. You have a protocol. The way science works is in this case, five scientists sit together. They say, we're going to study this group of children from the Atlanta school district. Here's. We're going to look at their health records. We're going to look at their school records. We're going to look at their vaccine records. And the study was really simple. They thought, well, if vaccines or if the MMR does contribute to autism, would it make a difference if you got it younger in life or older in life? And that's all the study was. It was a timing study. Again, no one unvaccinated. In this study, it simply compared children that got the vaccine at 12 months old to those that got it after three years old. That was it. Two different groups, those got it older, those that got it younger. The ones that got it younger were four times more likely to help have autism.
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Alex Clark
Wow.
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Dell BigTree
Huge. Huge. And again, we have no idea how many much more times they would have autism if they were compared against kids that never got this vaccine. Only the ones that they waited until after they're three years old. And as soon as they saw that, that those reactions and those numbers exist because Dr. William Thompson provided us with. Here were the original numbers. He was the epidemiologist. Here's how it laid out. Here's what we saw. I can show it. Here's the numbers. They prove it. And then they went and said, well, we have a problem, Houston. We have a problem. And then they kicked half the kids off the study to dilute that number. It still, by the way, showed that there was a slight increase in autism, but there weren't enough children in the study any longer to call it statistically significant. And so they said, there's nothing to see here. And they used that. And by the way, that was the last study ever done in the United States of America looking at vaccines and autism. And that was a study from 2000. So for 25 years, years, our government keeps telling us, we've extensively looked at this and they're using a fraudulent study where you change, when you change your study protocol, when you say we're going to look at this and we're going to report everything we find. And in the middle of finding things, you change the kids that are in the study. That's fraud, hands down. No other way to describe it. And so what I'll say to people is vax doesn't prove that the MMR causes autism. Vaxxed my film proves that five scientists were so horrified by the results they were getting in a study that they committed scientific fraud to hide it.
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Alex Clark
Okay, so how did you even come across this Dr. William guy? I mean, were you executive producing and he was trying to be a guest on the Doctors and so you were introduced to him or what?
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Dell BigTree
So I'm not an executive producer, I'm just a producer. So I'm one of seven producers on the Doctor television show at the time that this all happened. I produce one episode every week and my, you know, colleagues are producing the other six. And then you make a whole season, right? It's a pre tape show, so you make a season for the Doctors. So I would end up making, I don't know what it'd be something like 20 episodes a year. And I was considered to be one of the more, I think the most controversial producer on the show, mostly because I think I was a little bit older than most of the producers when I got onto this show. And so I always did shows that just, just I was curious about and I also was always challenging the medical establishment, you know, and so I did things with the doctors that I don't think was designed to do. When Monsanto, when the World Health Organization said that Monsanto's product, glyphosate, which is Roundup, which is sprayed on 80% of our crops. This is back in 2015, I think mid 2015. The WHO said glyphosate is probably carcinogenic to human beings. After a two, two week long symposium, scientists and Monsanto all came together to study this one chemical. I called Monsanto and said, hey, you want to come and defend the product? By the way, probably carcinogenic to human beings is the second highest cancer rating they have. Second only to does cause cancer. Cigarettes does cause cancer. Glyphosate probably causes cancer to human beings. And so I said, would you like to send someone to the show? And they're like, yeah, we'll send our head of toxicology, Donna Farmer. I had never seen Monsanto on A television show. But because the doctor's television show was sponsored by pharma, sponsored by Monsanto, sponsored. They thought it was a safe place to be. This is where I was kind of a wolf in sheep's clothing. I was like, no, come on in. We'd love to. We'd love to hear about, you know, glyphosate. And then I brought in Jeffrey Smith, a GMO activist that had written several books against Monsanto and glyphosate and GMO crops and all those things. And I had a debate on the show. And the whole time, executive producers were like, I don't even know what. What is this story about, Dallas? I go, trust me, it's big. This is a really big deal. They're like, okay, whatever. And it ended up being like a Jerry Springer show. Like, there people are screaming and hooting and oohing and ahhing, angry with Monsanto, you know, yelling at Donna Farmer. And Jeffrey Smith's making all these great points. I say that to say that, you know, the lawyer for the doctors would come up to me and say, you know, you cost us more money than every other producer because your shows are always being challenged by your guests or the companies you're going after. I tend to believe that wherever someone's making billions of dollars and telling us that they have the public's best interest in mind, I'm skeptical. And so I like to investigate into those spaces. And so I got a call one day from someone I'd done another very controversial story with a doctor about a year earlier. We were working on a super interesting story that's way too complex to explain here, but in the middle of it, in setting up for. He said to me, I shouldn't probably be on your show. And I was like, well, why? I love this story. It's really important. Kids are being taken away from their parents for no reason. He's like, yeah, but, you know, if you look online, I'm considered a quack. I said, what do you mean, a quack? And he said, well, I'm one of these doctors that believes that vaccines cause autism. And because of the work that I've done there, it kind of undermines the rest of my credibility on other things, and I don't want it to hurt this story, what you're doing. And I said, oh, don't worry. Don't worry about that. That's my problem. I want you to be my lead doctor on this story. And then he said, would you ever cover that? Would you ever cover vaccines and autism and I said, well, you know, on the doctors, we're, we're pretty set on the fact that vaccines don't cause autism. In fact, we had a really controversial show with Jenny McCarthy and locked up with Dr. Travis Stork, our lead doctor, and it was kind of ugly and so we don't really want to go near it. I said, but, you know, between you and I, I'm into controversial stories, but something big would have to happen. If some big thing happens around this vaccine autism conversation, call me and let me know and I'll see what I can do. And so it was a year later he called me and said, you know, remember when you said, you want to know if something big was happening with vaccines and autism? I said, yeah. He said, well, there's a whistleblower inside the CDC that's going to be coming forward in about two weeks and he's saying they committed scientific fraud on the MMR autism study. And, and so I was like, well, that's huge. If that's true, that would be maybe the biggest medical story in my lifetime. And so I went to my executive producers and I said, hey, I might have a jump on what I think would probably be the biggest medical story of our lifetime if it's true, which is it appears as a cover up the cdc, that they know that the MMR vaccine causes autism and that they've committed fraud. And my executive producers burst out laughing. Actually, they said, are you crazy?
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Alex Clark
Yeah, we can't touch that.
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Dell BigTree
Are you crazy? We're not going to say the CDC is committing fraud, right? We're not gonna, we're not gonna piss off our pharmaceutical sponsors. And so that began the beginning of, of my journey into a different life because I couldn't let the story go. And sure enough, two weeks later, these, these recorded interviews with this whistleblower started coming out online. And he was saying things like, every time I see a child with autism, I feel guilty. I can't believe we did what we did. We hid statistically significant information and, and I needed to tell that story.
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Dell BigTree
Well, definitely buried the story. In fact, that's what grabbed my attention. I said to my PA on the doctors, keep an eye on this story. Guy's name is Dr. William Thompson. See when it comes up. And sure enough, two weeks later, those statements popped up. And no one in news covered it like no one anywhere. I knew why we weren't covering it. We're a medical talk show. We're funded by pharma. But certainly this is going to sell headlines for New York Times. I mean, this is a huge story, but no one's touching it it. And then I saw someone put it up on I report something CNN used to have where it's like you can tell a story, just have a little news story and it's just people telling their own news stories. Someone put up the William Thompson recordings and it took it down within like 10 minutes.
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Alex Clark
Oh my gosh.
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Dell BigTree
And that's when I thought, oh, there's something really big here. This is really big. This isn't just my show not wanting to do it. All of television's avoiding it. All of news is avoiding this story. And that's when I that was just the very tip of the iceberg of recognizing how big and powerful the pharmaceutical industry is. And just to give people a sense of what I mean by that, pharmaceutical lobby is the most powerful lobby in Washington, D.C. it outspends oil and gas two to one. Two times the amount of money spent on oil and gas lobbying. Remember, we may be fighting this war in Israel over, you know, oil and gas right now. It's always A part of everything we do in the Middle east, our wars to fight for this lobby, lobby, oil and gas, what is it pharma is buying when they're spending twice that amount of money on government officials, on regulatory agencies? That's Number one. Number two, between 50 and 70% of all advertising. Well, let's make this clear. The number one lobby controlling Washington Pharma, the number one advertiser and television pharma. And so people go, oh, well, it's just a commercial. It's not just a commercial. That is literally the boss of your news anchor. That is the. That is who owns the sitcom you're watching or the, the, you know, drama that you're watching, if it's being paid by pharma. And the. And you say something even in your sitcom, that it may be like a joke about how vaccines might be dangerous, you will get a call and you will find out that whoever is responsible for that, if they ever do that again, they're never going to work on this network again. Because we own your network. And they say, because we will pull out, we will pull our pharma advertising, and then you will be screwed. So that power over all news. So people say, if vaccines were so bad, certainly I'd have heard about it on my news channel. No, you won't, because your news channel is owned by the pharmaceutical industry. And people that don't understand television just very quickly, when you would have the Nielsen ratings and things like that. I think it's important when you are working in television, no matter what show, whether you're doing a doctor's television show or a sitcom, you know for a fact that all you really are is a billboard. The television is thought of as a billboard. And your entertainment is just to keep eyes on that billboard long enough so that those products between your entertainment moments get sold, get eyeballs on them. Which is why your ratings show how long you're still holding eyeballs throughout the show. That's the value of what you can sell your commercials for. That's how much money you get, and that's how much money you can spend on your show. So the entire thing, people think this TV is designed to entertain me. No, this TV is designed to advertise to you. And everything else in between is just there to hold your attention. So you buy things. And so when you make, you know, 70% of that is the pharmaceutical industry. They own that box on your wall. That box on your wall is a propaganda tool for pharma. An advertising billboard. You walk by, sit in front of for hours every day. And pharma is trying to tell you, you. You cannot live without us.
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Alex Clark
So here's a question, because you brought up Jenny McCarthy.
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Dell BigTree
Yeah.
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Alex Clark
When Jenny McCarthy, back in the day and Jim Carrey were going on this press tour sounding the alarms on vaccines, when Maha happened, he. It's interesting to me because Jim Carrey hates Trump, but then Maha happens. I mean, did you ever hear anything about this? Like, do you think secretly he held his nose and vote, voted for Trump because of Maha? I'm dying to know.
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Dell BigTree
I really don't know. Jimmy Carrey, I think, would be probably one of the hardest people to read in the. The earth right now. I. I am, I am good friends with Jenny McCarthy, though.
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Alex Clark
Okay.
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Dell BigTree
And. And I didn't, you know, she wouldn't let me know. She keeps whatever the relationship she still has with Jim private. But I will say, I just want to say about her that she's one of the biggest, you know, superheroes I've ever met. She literally put her entire career on the line and had it destroyed trying to warn other parents of what she had just experienced, what she saw with her own eyes. And, you know, still, when the topic comes up, the Life playboy centerfold Janet McCarthy, forget about all the other things she's done. It's always try to demean her and then say she has an issue with vaccines. It was. It's been amazing to watch her recover her career the way she has after having it, been devastated. But she didn't have the advantage of a Covid. She didn't have the advantage of an event that we all experienced that brought in 2050. Well, really, one third of all doctors that didn't take the vaccine so suddenly, Peter McAuliffe and Dr. Robert Malone and Pierre Corey and all these guys, they came together. Safety in numbers. Jenny McCarthy tried to do this all by herself and frankly, I think changed a lot of people's lives. I'm sure she saved millions of children from vaccine injury, but had her career destroyed because of it. Because she works in television and she works for pharma.
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Alex Clark
I wonder if she'd come on my show. I should try to get.
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Dell BigTree
She definitely would. I would love to talk to her. I'll help connect.
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Alex Clark
Okay.
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Dell BigTree
We'll make that good. She's amazing.
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Alex Clark
If vaccines truly bypass the gold standard testing required of other drugs, how do you explain how regulators then legally approve them?
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Dell BigTree
I. I can't really. Right. I mean, it is. It's one of the things that's so shocking all the way through this process. People will say to me, you know, know, are you telling me you know more about vaccines than my doctor? You know that my doctor's trying to hurt my children? I said, no, your doctor's not trying to hurt your children. Your doctor though, doesn't know anything about vaccines. And yes, I'm telling you because I've done a 10 year investigation into vaccines only.
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Alex Clark
How can you sit here and say doctors don't know anything about vaccines?
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Dell BigTree
I could play you a video from the WHO meeting in 2019 that brought in all the specialists and scientists from around the world. And the entire meeting was to do one thing to stop vaccine hesitancy. At that point they were saying anti vaxxers 2019. So I'd been at it since 2016 with vax. We were really starting to affect the thought system around vaccines. And they said, anti Vaxxers are a top 10 global health threat. They had an entire meeting about it. And I'll play the video sometimes time where Heidi Larson, the head psychologist for the who, says in front of this giant panel, one of our biggest problems with vaccine hesitancy is that we have a wobbly front line. Our own doctors are now starting to question vaccines and they are not equipped to handle the questions that parents are now asking when they come through the door. And she ends this statement by saying, because as we all know, no, a doctor is lucky if they have a half a day education on vaccines.
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Alex Clark
You bring this episode interesting because I just interviewed somebody the other day. In the middle of interviewing her, she gets a text, a call, notifying her that her children have now been kicked out officially of her pediatrician's office because she didn't want to vaccinate. Why are pediatricians across America kicking out patients who are not vaccinating?
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Dell BigTree
Same way a bully punches a kid that asked him a hard question question.
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Alex Clark
But what are they gaining from you not being a patient?
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Dell BigTree
Well, because they, there's several things. Number one, they gain, you know, feeling like they don't have to be challenged. They don't like being challenged. But the biggest part of it is they're being incentivized to give vaccines. They have to keep the population inside of their pediatrics. A lot of times it's an insurance incentive, but they get an incentive to stay above 90, 95% fully vaccinated. If they fall below that, they lose this giant bonus that they get at the end of every year. And so if you are not vaccinating, you are cutting into that population percentage that they have to hold onto. So they're being manipulated to force you into vaccination. And they're being told, and by the way, if they're kicking you out of the practice, it means they've given up. That they have no. They don't seem to be able to have any information that can convince you the marketing is falling apart on this product. And so more and more people are getting kicked out of their practice. And I think it's amazing that that's what's being recommended to them. If someone challenges you, you know, you can make a. Try this sentence, try this line, see if you can get them. If not, kick them out of your practice. It's really bullying.
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Alex Clark
Do they get the check or their office to spend on office?
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Dell BigTree
I think it. Well, I mean, look, I. Probably the office, I would guess I don't. And I think it's different state to state. A guy, Dr. Zajak in UP in Wisconsin, talks about immense numbers that off of these incentives, I think if you own your own practice, that's huge. If it's a clinic, I'm sure the clinic pays down to you. And I'm sure, by the way, if you aren't the one receiving the check, whoever is is telling you, you better get your numbers up or you're out of here.
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Alex Clark
Which vaccine on the schedule is actually the most thoroughly tested?
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Dell BigTree
The COVID vaccine.
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Alex Clark
How in the world is that possible?
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Dell BigTree
I'm telling you, that is the best tested vaccine that we've ever, ever seen.
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Alex Clark
Okay, but this is the vaccine that all of America collectively went, whoa, this doesn't seem right. That is the most thoroughly tested.
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Dell BigTree
That is the longest test we've ever seen. It's the first time that we've ever seen a saline placebo being used. And by the way, it was my nonprofit that was threatened to sue the fda. We said, it looks like you're going to use a meningococcal vaccine as the placebo. And we will not accept that as a placebo. That's not a placebo placebo. True safety test test has to have a product that has no effect on the human body. And if you decide to run the Pfizer and Moderna trials using a meningococcal vaccine, then we will sue and we will make this the biggest scene. And by that point, I have the biggest lawyer in the space in Aaron Siri. We had already won millions of dollars of lawsuits against nih, cdc, fda, hhs. They were starting to take us very seriously. And they knew that everyone was watching us. And so. So literally, we sent a Petition to the FDA said, you better turn that into a saline placebo. They stopped the phase 3 trials immediately in their tracks, they were just starting. And then six days later, they started them back up and they said, we've traded, we're going to use a saline placebo. So one, that was one of the things. We had never seen it in any of the childhood schedule. Like I said, we've never seen a vaccine tested against a placebo. So in this case, they did it. The problem was, as we all witnessed, they went through phase one with the placebo and then they get, I mean, the phase, actually, the phase three trials is the ones we cared about. They have phase three, they give the placebo. But after the second vaccination was almost like within two to three weeks, they had 180 people out of like 45,000 that were either testing positive or not. And they used those 180 people to determine that, hey, Eureka, the vaccine works. 180 people. We were all told, this is a 45,000 person study. They just looked at the first 180 and said, look, look, you know, 90% of the vaccinated didn't get infected in this little group. And you know, you know, then the other ones did. The, the, the, the unvaccinated are getting infected. And so it was all manufactured around a tiny group of people. But what they did was they got the emergency use authorization off for that. Instead of waiting to see what happened with the 45,000, instead of doing a long term, that study would really should have been two years long. But the emergency use authorization allowed them, that's to sort of step out of the safety trial early. And this was all. We saw it coming. We knew this is what they would probably do. And sure enough, as soon as it got emergency use authorization just weeks after that second vaccination, you know, at most, at most, that trial for some people might have lasted about six months. They ended up saying that, well, now that the vaccine's available for emergency use, it's unethical to keep this placebo group because if everyone else in the country can get this great product, why should they be denied just because they were lending their services to the trial? And they went and vaccinated the entire placebo group, erasing any ability for us to know the long term safety consequences of this product. What happens to you after a year? What happens to you after two years? And now we're seeing in the Yale study that people, some people are still producing spike protein in their bodies 700 days, two years after receiving that first vaccination when the spike protein should have been gone, they said within days, definitely less than a week. Something is really wrong with this vaccine we are seeing. We still see this incredible rise in cancers, headlines across the country, more children getting cancer than ever. We're seeing children collapsing on football fields and soccer fields with heart attacks. All of those things were things that we should have known exact numbers. We should have been able to watch those people first for two years, three years against. What are the ones that just got the placebo? Is it happening more in the placebo group? We would have real hardcore answers had a real long term study been done. But because they erased it, they'll say, well, it's anecdotal to say that the vaccine is causing that and that's how this game is played.
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Alex Clark
Okay, but I thought that they had tested the Hep B vaccine on thousands of people before administering it to newborns.
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Dell BigTree
Oh no. I could have you pull it up right now. You can look it up online. It's really easy. All you do is just write, just type into Google FDA approved vaccines and then it brings the whole list of every vaccine you want to give your kids. And Hep B is Recombivax or Nger xb. Those are the two products by two. I think it's Glasgow, Smith, Klein and Merck. You can look them up and I want everyone to do this. I hope they'll do it. You go look them up and then click on either nger XB or Recombivax HB and click on it and then go to 6.1 and every. This is the insert like by the way put in. You click on package insert. It's the inserts basically the warning label that was wrapped around the vaccine that you never saw. Like every drug has some warning on it or whatever. This is the vaccine version. So you can look it up online. And if you go to 6.1 there's all the different sections. 1, 2, 3, 4. At 6.1 it describes how they determine the product was safe. And you will see in case of Recombivax HB, it's not thousands of children, children, 147 kids were given doses of Recombivax HP vaccine. They were between the ages of infant and 10 years old and they were monitored for five days after each dose.
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Alex Clark
Five, five days.
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Dell BigTree
Days. Not like look at, you know, you look at grandpa's Viagra had somewhere between a 5 and 10 year safety trial.
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Alex Clark
Okay, this is Dell. This is groundbreaking information because I mean for my audience anyway is that we just assume a vaccine, well, that's you know, 5, 10, 20 longer years study, yes, extensively. Safe and effective. And so for you to say that some of these vaccines on the schedule have been looked at for five days, five days.
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Dell BigTree
And by the way, I didn't just say it, I'm telling you I can prove it if you'll look it up online. FDA licensed vaccines do it. Click on recombivax hb, go to the insert and you can look at every vaccine your kids have been getting given. And this is what we've done. Not one study lasts longer than six months of any of the vaccines of any, wait a minute, any of them never ever gone longer than six months, ever. None of them have a placebo to compare the vaccine to. So no matter what happens, they say, well, it was just an anomaly that the child died in this trial. They're probably going to die anyway. Well, that's why you have a placebo can say, no, no five died here and zero here. Therefore we know for a fact the comparator didn't have the same reaction action. But by not having placebo, anything that does go wrong, they say, well that's just a coincidence. So it's, that's why it's not a safety trial. They're not comparing it to something that's safe. They're just assuming it's safe and putting it on the mark. But many polio 48 hour safety review trial, 48 hours, two days and people, and I'll say this to some people, I was actually on a panel the other night, said to a nurse, is five days long enough? Said, well, I'm not a scientist, I mean I can't, I can't, I can't weigh in on whether five days is long enough. And I said, okay, well then why don't we do this? And by the way, Chelsea Clinton put out a post when it came, when Robert Kennedy Jr. Recently said, Or I think it was actually he was supporting Dr. Mackere who said, you know, we're going to start doing placebo trials of every new vaccine. And Chelsea Clinton said, this is going to hold back science, it's going to hold back the process of vaccination. I said, well number one, you're admitting that we've never done a placebo trial, which is great because that's been called misinformation. As long as I've said it for the last 10 years. I'm glad we're all on the same page. But you know, and Then I put out the hepatitis B, I put the link and said, is a five day safety trial long enough for a child's vaccine? In fact, if five days is long enough, then why don't we just do that for all products? How about, let's just, why don't we just, you know, go ahead and homogenize the entire pharmaceutical industry. Why should kids be given a product that's only getting a five day safety trial? But grandpa with stage four cancer can't try a trial drug for two years because he's waiting for the safety trial to be done. Let's just say all drugs, five days. That's it. No placebo group cancer. It cures cancer. We were assuming it does. We didn't test a five day safety trial. And anyone in the country can get, in fact, everybody should get. No, even better. Let's mandate, everybody has to take it. That's how crazy this is. They're not testing these products and then forcing. Not some children, children, every child to get into school is having to take a product that went through a five day safety trial. And even worse with hepatitis B, it's a day one old baby. They're gasping for their first breath. This, this magical life giving moment. That baby is injected with a vaccine that had a five day safety trial. It's a sexually transmitted disease. Hepatitis B. Be right. That you only catch sharing heroin needles or sleeping with prostitutes. So why is this day one old baby being like, hello, welcome to the world, you know, take your first breath and as soon as you're done with that, here comes your first sexually transmitted disease.
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Alex Clark
Now there's a lot of controversy. I'm like, what, we can start editing off, you know, the childhood vaccine schedule.
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Dell BigTree
And all this because is easy.
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Alex Clark
That's what I was going to say. So like there's a, there's a political component to this of like, what is politically expedient. What can we, what conversations is America ready for? And so you would agree that hep B, this is a vaccine. Tomorrow, if RFK made an announcement and said we're taking this off the childhood vaccine schedule, most of America would be like, okay, fine.
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Dell BigTree
I don't know if they would. I think they would need some education.
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Alex Clark
Okay.
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Dell BigTree
I think doctors will scream, your mother, the mother could have hepatitis B. This is, this is the only argument they have. By the way, if the mother's hepatitis B positive, then that baby's at risk and we're protecting that.
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Alex Clark
Why can't they just test the mom?
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Dell BigTree
They already did.
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Alex Clark
Well then what is the point Every.
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Dell BigTree
Mother in America is tested. They get a blood test for exactly this. We know whether your hepatitis B positive or not before you give birth to that baby. And guess what? And I just looked at it just recently, the studies, the numbers show that 0.5% of mothers that are giving birth this year will be hepatitis B positive, meaning 99.5% of our children are getting a product that was tested for five days for disease they will not come in contact with until they're an adult, and hopefully never, if they were raised correctly, will find themselves sharing heroin, needles, or sleeping with prostitutes. So why are we doing this? And I could go on and on about the levels of aluminum in that vaccine that are so off the Richter scale.
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Alex Clark
Let's talk about aluminum.
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Dell BigTree
Okay, let's do.
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Alex Clark
Because what we're told is that the amount of aluminum in vaccines is completely safe. It's so minuscule. It would have no adverse effect on the human body.
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Dell BigTree
Okay, so let's take hepatitis B. I love this vaccine, by the way. And I've ever since I got in this conversation, it's what I walk into every senators and, you know, congressman's office to discuss. Let's just talk about hepatitis B. Because if you can understand this insanity, it'll make you start to think, my God, how far off course did we get? All right, so there has never, to begin with, just like the vaccine has never been tested for safety, aluminum injections have never been tested, ever. In a human. In a human being. Why? Why? Because it'd be unethical. It is illegal to do a study where you take a toxic element. This is like a heavy metal. Like, you can't just take mercury and say, how much can I inject into a person? What person would be allowed to be in that study? They can't do it. They know aluminum is toxic. So there's no human study ever, anywhere. They have a rat study that they fed aluminum to. Now they fed aluminum to all these rats. And what they determined is based on. So the weight of the rat that your average baby should not consume, not eat more than 25 micrograms of aluminum in one day. This is sort of the official reading from a rat study. And so I would say this, and this is the type of thing I'm not. People say, well, Dell's not a doctor. I'm definitely not. I'm just a. I'm just a journalist. I. I look at things from a common sense position. So let's have some common sense together. Can we assume that eating aluminum, I'm not Expecting you to be a scientist. But Al likes eating aluminum in an open system where it goes through, comes out, go to the bathroom, day or two later, it goes through that you are not getting all of the 25 micrograms into your system. A lot of it's going to pass through. But injecting, you know, injecting 25 micrograms would definitely be more toxic, wouldn't you assume into a closed system in the bloodstream, can't leave, can get to your brain, all of those things. So that 25 micrograms. So when they say, well, we've studied. You studied an oral dose, you didn't study an injected dose.
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Alex Clark
Wow. Yeah.
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Dell BigTree
And so if you found out out that 25 micrograms, which is the limit of an oral dose, is actually what they're injecting straight into the bloodstream of a day one old baby, would that freak you out? Yeah, it would freak me out, but. But don't worry, it's not 25 micrograms, it's not 50 micrograms, it's not a hundred micrograms, it's not 200 micrograms. 250 micrograms of aluminum are being injected into your day one old baby in that hepatitis B vaccine. 10 times the oral lethal dose in a rat study and no one has ever checked it. And guess what? I have this slide in every speech I do. CBS reports United States of America has the highest day 1 Old birth death rate in the world. In fact, we have more babies die on the first day of life life than every other industrialized nation combined.
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Alex Clark
How do you defend the belief that natural immunity is superior to vaccine induced immunity? Like what we always hear is that vaccines have, have been proven to prevent diseases more effectively than natural infections.
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Dell BigTree
You will not find a single scientist or doctor in the entire world that can show you one study that shows that a vaccine for a disease created better immunity than having that disease itself. That does not exist nowhere no how. The first vaccine I ever heard them attempt to make that statement was Covid. No one's even attempted to say that before. Nobody with a brain can say that the measles vaccine creates a better immunity than having measles. Everyone knows for a fact that studies this or is a doctor or had any education that the only people on this planet that have lifelong immunity to measles. Measles did it because it's mostly just our baby boomers because they had measles.
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Alex Clark
Can you explain, like the fear mongering in the media going on about the measles right now?
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Dell BigTree
Yeah. I mean, you have. I think. I think there's two deaths that they're claiming happened right here in Texas from a measles outbreak in a Mennonite community. There's a lot of questions about those. One of the children was incredibly sick with a whole lot of other issues, had measles and didn't die of the measles. I think both kids, if I remember correctly, died from a pneumonia. So a bacterial infection that happened post measles. So technically didn't die of the measles. But I'm not gonna. I don't. I don't want to, like, cherry coat it. And I want to be really clear here, too. I don't vaccinate my kids. Does that mean that they could never die of an infectious disease? No. Do I think that that's 100% the safest way to live in the world? I don't think there's any 100% way to live perfectly safe in this world. I believe that everybody should be making their choices. They should be well educated on why they're making those choices. I've looked at the science, and I've decided I'm much happier taking the risk with what were trivial childhood illnesses than with this incredible chronic disease epidemic. My personal hypothesis, and I'm not alone on this, is that with the vaccine program, we replaced trivial childhood illnesses that lasted somewhere between three days to, at your most, two weeks with permanent chronic illness. I believe that these vaccines have shifted it away from being a temporary experience to permanent chronic illness. And just to be clear that, in 1980s, we had 12.4% chronic illness in our children. That was when we were getting 10 vaccines. Now that we're giving 54 vaccines in 72 doses because some of them have three, four different, you know, agents in them that has gone from 12.4 to 54% of our children. Children have a permanent chronic illness that is the greatest decline in human health that's ever been recorded. And I do believe, as Robert Kennedy Jr. Is going to do the science. Not just because, I'm guessing, because a lot of the science has been done. It's just been buried, like you said. How do I not know about it? Well, in my investigations, because I've sued the government, I've seen the studies that have been done, and I'm telling you, vaccines are implicated in creating permanent chronic illness. So you have to ask yourself, would I rather my kid have some bumps, little red bumps all over their body for a week or two, or would I prefer they spend a lifetime with autism, or even a lifetime with asthma, or a lifetime with add, adhd, or a lifetime with lupus or cancer. All of those things. I think that's the trade off that we're making. And last, on measles, anyone can look up, just look up Measles Brady Bunch, and you can see back in the 1960s, how horrified and terrified they were of measles. It was a Brady Bunch episode. And they're giggling and laugh tracks, too. The week that the whole family, all the kids catch the measles because it wasn't terrifying, we have changed the narrative around this. We've made it a deadly disease because it. Because why? Because pharma owns the television. Pharma writes the commercials. Pharma controls the narrative of your sitcoms and everything else. And so if you believe it's deadly, you'll comply and get not one vaccine because one doesn't give you lifelong immunity. Two vaccines now, they're looking at a third one in college. And guess what? Every adult outside of college is now, CDC has on the schedule. You should be getting another MMR vaccine, because they wear off, they don't last. You know, and then, you know, there's all sorts of other problems. But the last point to make in 1961, which is one year before you get a measles vaccine, so there's no vaccinated. If you go to what was called the vital statistics that year, which is your CDC at the time, the death rate of measles is 1 in 500,000 at a population level, meaning 1 in 500,000Americans would die. And if you got. If you caught the illness. So like, two different numbers, that's everybody from those that caught it, it's believed to be about 1 in 10,000 was the death from measles. And it's assumed that those were usually the children that were poor at the time, in 1960, malnourished, things like that, that they might have been more vulnerable. But one in 10,000, that's a zero, right? That's a zero percent chance of death. And you're being told it's deadly. It's deadly. And I love it when reporters, actually, they like to attack me on this. They're like, you are responsible for. Like, I. I've actually been, in fact, the conference I was just at, some guy got on a stage, on a different stage than me, and they said, dell, he put up your picture and said, this is the man is the cause of the measles epidemic in Texas. Which, you know, that Thing can. They can. You gotta watch out. Like, those things can go to your head, you know, like delusions of grandeur that you can bring disease to entire states. But to that point, like, what? When you look at the entire thing in totality, this measles thing has been blown completely out of proportion. The vaccine is wearing off. It's a problem. And, you know, the cause is simply more and more people are recognizing. I think I can handle that disease.
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Alex Clark
Yeah. What different illnesses and ailments would you consider a vaccine injury?
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Dell BigTree
Again, I would say I'm. I can. Here's what I can say that they believe, the industry believes are vaccine injuries, because it's written on the warning label that you never see encephalitis, swelling of the brain. I think that one's really important because when people say vaccines don't cause autism, if you really look at the science, autism's not a disease, it's a symptom. It's a symptom of a brain injury. Something has happened in the brain of the child. So I had a mother say this very clearly two years ago. She's like, vaccines didn't cause my child's autism. Vaccine caused my child's encephalitis, encephalopathy, swelling of their brain. They screamed for three days straight because their brain didn't fit inside of their skull, and they were in agonizing pain. And by the time they got done screaming, they lost the ability then to say, I love you, Mommy, I love you, daddy, the way they were before. They couldn't walk any longer. They had diarrhea and were in diabetic, in diapers the rest of their lives. And I watched it all happen. For my eyes had function walking, they were talking, had that vaccine, screamed for three days, encephalitis. And then when they were done, the resulting symptom of that brain swelling injury was autism. I think that that's the best way to think about it. It could have been that the side effect ended up being schizophrenia. We know that too. A brain injury can cause schizophrenia. That's why, you know, it could cause Tourette's, it could cause add, adhd, if it's just a light brain injury. And so this idea that it's impossible to imagine what mechanism by which, which a vaccine could cause autism. It's really clear if the thing can swell your brain and cause a brain injury, that brain injury symptom could be stemming and repetitive motion disorders and social anxiety and all sorts of issues could cause depression. So encephalopathy Huge. Written on every vaccine. Guillain Barre syndrome, I think, is every single vaccine. That's paralysis.
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Alex Clark
Yeah.
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Dell BigTree
So is transverse myelitis written in their paralysis? So when people say. Say you want a return of the iron lung and paralysis, I'm like, just look at the insert. The vaccine itself can cause that. And I would do a talk with a kid that we interviewed during vax or during the country who was like, I think he was about 15 or 16 years old at the time, had this box on his side, and it had, like, he was totally paralyzed, had this thing that held up his head, had a hole in his throat, and this little box was breathing through for him as he told his story about how this happened to him from the Gardasil HPV vaccine. He was a star athlete, was a motocross rider, got the hepatitis B vaccine because his mom thought it was a good idea. Three days later, he was limp in a bed, couldn't move his limbs. They medevaced him. The doctors even said, has he had a virus or anything like that? She's like, he got the vaccine. Like, oh. And they wrote it down vaccine. So. So that can happen. And as he was sitting there doing the interview, and he's waiting for the air to feel like. And then he'd say, I really wish people would understand what's happening here, that they need to know the truth. And they'd have to wait for the thing to fill his lungs for his next sentence. And I stood there and I thought, oh, my God, we didn't get rid of the iron lung. That famous photo of all the people in these tubes all through the gymnasium, which is a fraud, too. They weren't even plugged in. But what. Yeah, totally. But we didn't get rid of iron lungs. These kids are now wearing them around their sides. You carry it in a little box and it breathes for you, just like Christopher Reeves had after he fell off of a horse. So paralysis is in there. You have. Asthma is written in. In some cases, death is a side effect.
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Alex Clark
What about eczema?
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Dell BigTree
Eczema used to be considered strictly a vaccine reaction. Eczema was not a natural. Not thought of as a natural rash. Eczema was. Came from vaccinia. It really. The original thing was as soon as you see eczema stop vaccinating their child, they're having a reaction.
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Alex Clark
Really? Okay, but then how do you explain kids that have eczema that have never been vaccinated?
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Dell BigTree
I think that they. And I'm one of those kids, actually, I wasn't vaccinated and I do have eczema and some skin issues that I deal with. I think it's because my mother was so incredibly vaccinated. She must be passing some epigenetic quality there. I could be wrong, I don't know.
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Alex Clark
And look, that's just a theory of yours.
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Dell BigTree
It's just a theory. And by the way, environmental toxins come from all sorts of different places. There's also antibiotics and vaccines in our animals. And so, you know, we're all coming in contact with these things in one way or another. But yeah, originally, if you look back at the original writings, eczema was a vaccine injury and it was the sign that you should stop vaccinating.
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Alex Clark
Is SIDS vaccine death the most compelling.
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Dell BigTree
Evidence I've ever seen in my life I think proves unequivocally now not only it does cause the sids, the vaccine vaccination does cause SIDS Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, but that there's a scientist, Gary Goldman, that has the evidence of why it's so compelling and really mind blowing. But the thing you should look at is on the VAERS system, vaccine Adverse Events Reporting system system, this is where people report if their child dies, they think it might be a vaccine. When you look at the Varys system, I think it, let's see, it's 75% of all of the deaths from SIDS happen within seven days of a vaccination. On anytime you look at it, every data recording system shows inside of seven days and the highest number of deaths it happens peaks at two days after vaccination. And so when you look at science, and we've done this for this is true every single year, every year that it's recorded the, you know, hundreds and thousands of babies that die of SIDS, it's always 75% of it's inside of seven days. And they'll say, well, kids are always getting vaccinated. Yeah, but outside of seven days, no one usually vaccinates more than once a month. Usually it's a lot less than. Then why are we not seeing, seeing an average distribution across time? You don't, when you see it very specifically, always within seven days of one thing you do in this life and peaks two days after that one thing you're doing. That's pretty solid evidence. It's certainly evidence enough. And this is the point that bothers me about science and how mainstream media handles this. It's certainly evidence enough to take away your ability to say vaccines absolutely, absolutely don't cause sids. All the Evidence shows that it's the most likely cause. And now you've got to figure out how to disprove that instead. The pharmaceutical industry, because it owns our television, does the opposite. They keep making us, well, prove it. Prove that, you know, it's the vaccine that in the first seven days, you know, and then you got to figure out how you do that. I mean, the evidence is there. I can show you the kids that didn't get vaccinated and compare that them. But you won't do that study. This morning I was just on a two hour call about this issue with sids. Now I can't, I'm not ready to like lay out. I forget what the name of the enzymes are. But generally speaking, when a baby's born, they don't produce or they're very low in producing a certain amount of enzymes that can methylate, that can take toxins out of the body. If the baby goes through an inflammatory experience, they can just diminish and totally take away those enzymes completely, which now leaves the baby vulnerable. Their body isn't detoxing the chemicals that are in their body. So when you give a vaccine, the known effect is it causes an inflammatory event. That's what it's designed to do. That's what makes your immune system kick in, is why is my body swelling? Why am I under attack? But this mechanism now is showing that the vaccine is depleting the only enzymes the baby has that could clear the body to make sure it doesn't go up into their brain and swell their brain, which then we have all sorts of problems, problems. And also these enzymes appear to be what affect your serotonin and serotonin affects the breathing of a baby. And so this, this hypothesis is that if you shut down that enzyme through an inflammatory event in the vaccine and then the serotonin levels get out of balance, the baby stops breathing and therefore sids. And it's really, really compelling. And what's super fascinating about it is they've charted how many vaccine a child gets prior to these they take. I think it's a study, was it out of Utah? I think it might have been Florida. Either way, they took a study of babies and the amount of vaccines they received and they can literally show that there's like a 1.58% increase risk for SIDS based on each vaccine that you add. So it's 1.5 at 8 at 1 vaccine. And then they, they literally go and it charts perfectly well.
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Alex Clark
That seems pretty dry. Why wouldn't a pediatrician be like, hey, just so you know, I mean, right, Because.
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Dell BigTree
I mean, why don't they warn you? Why don't. First of all, because the pharmaceutical industry controls the FDA and controls the cdc. Those are essentially the clergy of this religion of vaccines, which is what it is. It's not science, as I've said earlier. So the think of your doctors, the priest, and whatever the cardinal tells them, that's law, and whatever the Pope is sending to the cardinal that you never see, you never even get into that meeting.
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Alex Clark
Why are vaccines such a religion? Like, is it because if you start to unravel the truth about vaccines, you start to unravel all the lies of the medical industrial industry or what?
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Dell BigTree
Well, that definitely. That definitely. And I'll get into that in a second because I think that's why I'm so fascinated by this issue and why it's pretty much all. I investigate a few other things. I want chemicals out of our food and dyes and things, but vaccines, there's nothing like this. I do believe when people see the truth on this, it will reveal everything that's corrupt about the world that you live in. But let's just go back to motivation. Like, how did this become, like, I would call it the golden calf. You know, it's the Holy Grail. It really is. It's the foundational principle of modern medicine. It's the number one thing that we do. It is the greatest advancement, they'll tell you, of the 20th century in medicine, that it's vaccines. And so when you're trying to do what I'm doing, which is bring some reality, can we all look at it? I say it's the equivalent to grabbing a Christian saying, I have evidence that Jesus never walked this earth. Will you take a look at something for me? And they're like, I'm not looking at that. Are you crazy? Get away from me. That's what we're dealing with. But here's why I think it became, you know, this, this, this pillar of medicine so quickly is. It's, in many ways, I think it's the God complex that we all know exists in science. This desire for doctors to, you know, whether or not they see themselves as God, to beat nature, to be God, to do, to make human beings even better than they were designed to begin with. And this was the only thing we've ever done, done that we felt like we were advancing the human being. We were going to make the human being impenetrable by outside sources, which meant we were finally taking power into our hands. And we were going to win against nature. Everything else is simply a defensive position to something that's happened to you. We can have you get hit by a car and make more of you survive than we ever have. You can get cancer, cancer. And we can cut that cancer out and we can burn it and we've got drugs to, you know, get you over the pain. You can have epilepsy and we can give you a drug to handle. Everything is just simply dealing with symptoms that are having happening to you. This is the only thing that we ever did in medicine was like actually we're advancing you, we're making you stronger, we're going to make you a healthier person, a more powerful superman, if you will. That God didn't do that. You need, you need us to be as strong because God, God, you know, came up short here and that's why it's a religion. That's why they're so attached to it. And when this thing comes crumbling down, they just simply crumble back into regular human beings that made huge mistakes and really knew nothing about our immune system came nowhere near close to being gods. In fact, I think we're on the verge of them destroying the human species. We're at huge risk if we keep allowing them to rush Covid vaccines onto the market without a safety, proper safety trial and then force everyone in the world to get it. It is only a matter of time before one of those products is, has such a bad side effect that they wipe out our species. Because let's be clear, from the dawn of man until now, no natural virus or bacteria has ever wiped out our species. But no virus or bacteria has ever even reached, reached everyone in our species. It's randomized. If you catch a disease. But if you have stupid human beings force you to take a man made disease, which is what a vaccine technically is, then no one escapes. Nobody's bloodline survives.
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Alex Clark
But if pharma's goal is to keep us really sick for as long as possible to milk more money out of us, why would they want to risk killing a bunch of us?
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Dell BigTree
Okay, but I don't go that far.
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Alex Clark
Okay.
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Dell BigTree
I mean I'm so if you watch my show, I look, that may be possible and I, I think about, I'll, I'll, I'll contemplate that on my own. I won't say what I cannot prove. And it's, it's hard for me to believe still. And I, because I believe in human beings, I still come from a belief that everyone's doing what they think Is right.
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Alex Clark
They're just misguided, but they're not purposely trying to keep us sick.
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Dell BigTree
That's my. If you're talking to me, that's my personal position. I think that it's really beneficial to them that the product they're giving you that starts on day one, the of life, causes an autoimmune disease. And 60%. And you watch those commercials, they're all autoimmune disease commercials. So every one of these drugs is making fortunes because of a problem that the vaccine program that they started you on caused. You know, is someone waking up inside of there? Probably. Are they doing it to put us on this conveyor belt? I recognize lots of podcasters, even scientists, are saying that I would still need that. That takes intention, intent. That takes intent. And so I really stay inside of what I can prove. I. Everything. The reason we, by the way, we win these lawsuits, the reason we're winning lawsuits against the government in the space is we don't speculate. I don't go in to try and prove something I can't prove. I cannot prove to you because I haven't found the intent.
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Alex Clark
Or you'll say that. You'll say this is a theory. I don't know for sure. Like eczema.
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Dell BigTree
Exactly. I will tell you here is a hypothesis, a theory. This is what I think is going on. But in order to say that they are purposefully making us sick so that they can sell more product products, I would need actual evidence of that to make that statement, which would probably be some internal emails. Isn't it awesome how we know this vaccine is causing eczema and we make this from much more eczema? I mean, that email may be out there, and the day I find it, I will change my position. So it's not that I'm not questioning it.
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Alex Clark
Yes.
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Dell BigTree
But I can't prove that. So I'd like to stay. I think we're smarter if we stay in. What we can prove. What we can prove is that. That these products they're giving us from day one of life are causing the very issues that all the drugs they're making fortunes off of also are. Are not curing, by the way, only masking and helping them deal with. Right. They won't come up with a drug that erases a problem ever. They won't do it for cancer. They won't do it for. There's no money there. No one wants to sell one pill.
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Alex Clark
Well, that's what I mean, though. I mean, with cancer, like, do you think that they do have the cancer cure or is the cure just it's not a pharmaceutical?
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Dell BigTree
There's a lot of very interesting deaths of people that say they have cures. If I had time, I'd love to investigate those again. Yeah, I don't have evidence of that. But I do know this, I do know this, that if the cure for cancer ever happened to be a drug that is off patent. So it's a generic, like let's say Ivermectin. A lot of people are looking at ivermectin. It's no longer on patent. Here's what I know for sure. If ivermectin is the cure for cancer, they will never say it because the only way to say it would be you'd have to have double blind placebo based trials. Randomized controlled trials would cost $100 million to do properly. And no one, no industry will ever spend $100 million on a product that they don't own and they can't make money for. So the way the system's designed, there are probably cancer cures. It may very well be things like ivermectin or something like that. Lots interesting science on that. But the way the industry is designed itself, it made itself this way. They will never ever say that that product cures cancer because they can't make money off of it.
- [69:00]
Alex Clark
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Dell BigTree
You know, smallpox is the only virus that you could say was eradicated. People will say polio, that's not true. In fact, polio is starting to make a resurgence, which is kind of scary, but that's a different story. But smallpox, I think you have to look at the Leister experiment in Leicester, England. They basically had anti vaxxers that were totally against the smallpox vaccine. And so they rioted in the city and they basically made sure that they never got the smallpox vaccine. And what they used was quarantine. What they said is let's ride this out, let's just quarantine. Anyone that gets sick will put them privately by themselves and just keep them out of the public. And they had the best result of anywhere in the world. What they never had happen, which did happen a lot was towns and counties that got the vaccine. Sometimes the vaccine would start a smallpox Outbreak because it was a live virus vaccine. Ultimately, quarantine is a huge part of it. I think the fact that our water supply got cleaned up, you know, around the world is huge. And I'm not saying the vaccine, the vaccine had some effects to it, but I don't believe it reached far enough corners of the Earth to say that they actually eradicated it with that. But even if they did, let's just go ahead and assume that's the one vaccine that worked and did actually eradicate smallpox. We know for a fact that that vaccine caused smallpox, like I said, caused outbreaks that did kill people, which meant that vaccine had a very serious side effect to it. It could give you smallpox and it could kill you. It was brand new. Let's not hold them at fault. What I would say is to say, you know, know, chickenpox is not smallpox, and if chickenpox has the same risks that the smallpox vaccine had, then we should reassess whether or not we think chickenpox is a dangerous enough disease to take on the issues and the risks that a smallpox vaccine had or a polio vaccine. Polio vaccine, you know, has caused cancer in, you know, millions and millions of people because of a simian retrovirus. The live polio. Polio vaccine is causing polio right now. It's. That's one of the big problems. Polio is now sweeping the Middle east and third world countries because of our vaccine program.
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Alex Clark
You're kidding.
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Dell BigTree
No, I'm not.
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Alex Clark
And, well, you know, they're gonna say, oh, polio's making resurgence. Well, it's the MAHA people.
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Dell BigTree
Yeah, it's the non vaccine. It's the antivaxx. They're saying it right now.
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Alex Clark
Well, yeah, we're told. We're told that the unvaccinated communities consistently have higher deaths in hospital hospitalization rates during outbreaks. So why doesn't that concern?
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Dell BigTree
That's a total lie. Complete and total lie, Covid. Total lie. First of all, there was no. There was actually no way to register an unvaccinated individual didn't exist during COVID We heard this as a. I mean, that that's the most. Let's use as an example. I can do it on all of them. But with COVID they said, this is an epidemic of the unvaccinated, a pandemic of the unvaccinated. But when we looked into lots of studies, you can look them up, show that no hospital had unvaccinated as a category. They just had vaccine status unknown. Unknown, meaning you didn't get vaccinated in our hospital. So we don't have your records. You go into the unknown pile, and then they decided to make the unknown unvaccinated.
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Alex Clark
Got it.
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Dell BigTree
So that was a total misrepresentation of the numbers and how many people. If you went. So if you were in those lines of cars that are, you know, getting vaccinated, you know, as, you know, outside, you know, a stadium somewhere, or if you were going to a clinic, or if you weren't anywhere but the hospital you entered ended up in when you got sick or where you were dying, then all of those people were considered unvaccinated. And on top of that, with COVID they considered if you had one shot of the COVID vaccine, by the way, and you died, they considered you unvaccinated. If you had two, yes. You only were considered vaccinated, was it 14 days after the second shot? So even after the second shot, if you were, it was two shots, shots, eight days, and you end up in the hospital and you die. You were unvaccinated because they said, well, your antibodies haven't ramped up enough. So therefore. So forget about the vaccine's actually killing you. That was hidden by it, too. If the vaccine killed you, that went down as an unvaccinated person dying of.
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Alex Clark
COVID I've never even heard that.
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Dell BigTree
I am telling you, I can show it to you.
- [76:16]
Alex Clark
I believe you. I know you've done your research.
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Dell BigTree
It's so crazy. So. So there is no, you will not. No hospital system knows how many people are on vaccine. They don't know. And then they use this other category, and then worse than that, they change the death certificate for Covid for the first time ever in, like decades. What you would do if you're filling out someone dies in the hospital, the cause of death would be cancer. The underlying cause of death would be pneumonia. Then the third would be pneumonia brought on by flu. Flu or pneumonia brought on by Covid. Right. But we knew you were on chemo and cancer was really the reason you had no immune system, and that's why you ended up catching flu so easily, and why that turned into pneumonia that we couldn't stop. Your cancer made it so that killed you. But we labeled that as a cancer death. Then when Covid hit, they said, no, we don't care what other factors are involved, whether it's cancer, a car accident, a gunshot shot. If you have Covid, right, you died.
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Alex Clark
Of COVID They were marking deaths as Covid that were like a car accident or a gunshot wound.
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Dell BigTree
Yes, it's Documented. It's documented. And, and why? Why? Because they got bonus payments. This we. So on top of changing the death certificate, if you were diagnosed with COVID in a hospital, the hospital got an extra twelve thousand dollar check.
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Alex Clark
And you said this on the highway wire. You've suggested that the CDC study, the vaccinated versus unvaccinated children because that would reveal that unvaccinated kids are healthier. Yes, but my question is, if that is the case that we need to do this study and it doesn't exist, why hasn't your organization ICANN funded your own peer reviewed study for this hypothesis?
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Dell BigTree
Number one, it's hard to get that data right in order to get the medical records of enough people people to do that study. Remember, this is a retrospective study. So you have to have a database that has both vaccinated people in it and unvaccinated people in it. So to get that database would be very, very difficult. I'd have to convince Ford Medical center or Harvard Pilgrim's HMO system or Florida's, you know, Medicare database. I had to get a hold of a database. I have to convince whoever has that database that I want to pay you to use it. And then you get into all sorts of HIPAA problems that if it's not, you know, if it's not de anonymized, like if I don't have, if I have your names, I can't see it as an outside citizen. So it's a very, very difficult study to do as an outside organization. Almost impossible. Secondly, if I can, and Dell Bigtree did do that study study, how many people would believe it? I mean they would just say, well of course the anti vaccine guy did the study, he got the results he wanted. Right. So you have to have this study done by a reputable source, one that you trust. There's a Mawson study, there's a, there's a doctor out of Mississippi who's done several of these. He did a poll where he called 600 homeschool mothers and asked them, can you just tell me me your health records? Like give me your health records and the health of your children and how many of them have autism. And that study, he shows that the vaccinated had, I think it's like 4.7 times the rate of autism. Maybe it's 4.2 times rate of autism compared to the kids that didn't get vaccinated. Asthma is like 40 times higher in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. And people say, well that's just A polling stuff study. And you know, it's not super scientific, but look, these parents were telling the truth. They had nothing to hide. And it showed these incredible rates. Then you can look at Dr. Paul Thomas, who's had tens of thousands of his own children in practice. And in the middle of his practice he started recognizing, I think these vaccines are injuring kids. And more and more parents were saying, can I not vaccinate? And said, sure. So he's done studies on his own database base, showed almost the exact same thing. 4 times the rate of autism.
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Alex Clark
Vaccine friendly plan book.
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Dell BigTree
Yeah. Yes, right. Paul Thomas's vaccine friendly plan.
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Alex Clark
And then he came back and said, actually, just kidding, I regret I wouldn't take any, any.
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Dell BigTree
Now he's saying do not take in his new book is like do not touch a single one of these. It was so clear and he has so much damning evidence. By the way, when he did that study, they took his license away. He's been, he fought for his license for years. This is the Gestapo of this entire thing. And lastly, I'll tell you, I hope one day it comes out. I challenged a major medical institution to do a vaccinated versus unvaccinated study. It was an interesting. I was traveling with Vax, the documentary, and we were coming into a theater space and someone said, I can get you a meeting with the head of this entire medical system that does study studies because they're a good family. You know, I've worked with them for years. We're really good friends. And so I, I met this person and we were at dinner and they said, you know, I watched your film Vax. It's very compelling. But there's something. I looked you up when I was going to meet with you. I looked you up and I saw in all these videos, you're saying something that really bothered me. You said that, you know, vaccines, they cannot say that vaccines are safe because they haven't done the proper safety trials. And this scientist said. So I went and searched our whole data. I have all, every safety trial that's ever been done. And I went and looked into it and they started out the interview by saying, I'm shocked that I have to tell you, you're right. I can't believe it that we never did any safety trials on any of these vaccines. It's mind blowing. But they said, but I don't know what I can do about that. And I still, it doesn't mean I don't believe in vaccines. Just means you're right, we can't actually, actually Technically say they're safe. I said, would you ever do a comparative study, vaccinated versus unvaccinated? And they're like, sure. I was like, I. And I warned them. I said, look, if you do this study, and I've seen others that have done it on smaller levels, I mean, this could be career ending. This is a serious. And they were like, I'm almost retired and, you know, I follow science where it goes. So I spent about two years hounding the scientists. Kept calling, we'd go out to dinner. They're really nice. And then I said, all right, you know what? Sure, we'll do it. They did that study. And it is so damning that that person that would take any call didn't. Wouldn't talk to me for a year. What? And finally I sat down and said, what's going on? And they said, look, I didn't think you were right. It's clear that you are. And I don't want to be the person responsible for ending the vaccine program for forever. And I said, that's what you think these results will do? And they said, I think that's what this study would do.
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Alex Clark
Why not be responsible for that if you know it's corrupt and you know it's hurting people? Why not?
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Dell BigTree
Because it's a religion. And you are, you are the priest that just said that Jesus Christ didn't live. That's who you're going to be. And I don't. I'm a Christian, by the way. I'm only using that as an example. I'm not saying I believe it, but I'm just saying, just think to yourself, like, how big a deal. That's how big a deal this would be. You're not going to be celebrated. You're going to be Galileo. You're going to be locked away. You're going to be Semmelweiss, who said we should wash our hands hands and ended up being thrown in an insane asylum. Medicine and science does not celebrate the individual that says, oh, my God, we've been on the wrong track. We've done something horrible here. But I. When people say, do you think the vaccines cause autism? I say, I know it does, because I've seen the science you haven't seen. And Robert Kennedy Jr. You know, I pray will manage to get the biggest database in the world. The vaccine safety data link together. Together inside the cdc. The. Our own congress paid. This is what's amazing. Our Congress wanted an answer to this. They had the Institute of Medicine, which is the Nobel laureates of America Investigate. Our database has 10 million people in it where all of our vaccine studies are done. Can you do a vaccinated versus unvaccinated study that would be statistically significant? You know, inside of this vaccine safety database. And the Institute of Medicine studied it and said, absolutely, we've looked at it. You could do a well powered study of the vaccinated versus the unvaccinated. So then our Congress paid the CDC $1 million to do that study, and the CDC took the million dollars and did a study on how to do the study. What? Swear to God, refused to do it, but said, if you were going to do it, this is how you would have to do it. By the way, that medical institution that agreed to do it, I sent them, this is how the CDC said this study could be done, and that's how they did it. So I know what those results are. But you're a person interviews people. We study people for a living. And I want to give you my strongest hypothesis. And it's this. Bobby Kennedy, one of the first things I ever did with him. Donald Trump sent us to the NIH back in 2017 when he was first elected. He said to Bobby, look, I have concerns about the vaccine program too, so why don't you go meet with the head of our vaccine programs. Nih Francis Collins will be there. All the heads of NIAID and everything. Bring all of your issues there. So Bobby called me and said we had two different nonprofits. He said, you're studying this as much as I am am. Let's put all of our information together and let's go to the nih. And we did. And we asked.
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Alex Clark
That's interesting to me. You're saying 2017.
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Dell BigTree
2017.
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Alex Clark
Trump invited you to look into this.
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Dell BigTree
Yes. This goes Trump and Bobby go back that far.
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Alex Clark
I didn't know this.
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Dell BigTree
Yeah. And so we went and this guy was sitting across me. I'd never heard of his name before. Tony Fauci. Swear to God, like, I didn't know who he was then, but he was this far away from me. Bobby was next to me. Francis Collins was across from him. This is the 5 orange juicy TV one, right? 10. There's like 10 scientists on the other side. We had our own scientists and lawyers, but we said to them, we can't find a double. This is how we know. This is how this started. This is back in 2017. We said, we can't find a double blind placebo trial. Any of the childhood vaccines. Are you not doing them or are you just not publishing them? And in that meeting they admitted Tony Fauci end up saying we don't do placebo based trials because it'd be unethical because it's a religion. They believe these products are so safe. Why would you keep a placebo group from being allowed to have it? Even if it's a brand new product like Guard Acceleration, maybe it'd be the same with cancer. Imagine saying this cancer drug is so great, we're not going to have a placebo grip we couldn't deny. We don't know how good. I mean, no one's ever taken it, but we're so sure it's great. We don't even want someone to be denied this product. That's how they look at vaccines. But then Bobby said, because Bobby ran the whole meeting, I was just sitting. We had given him all of our information. He said, okay, if you haven't, you know, if you can't do a prospective study which is to deny a placebo group or problem product, why aren't you doing a retrospective study of the entire vaccine safety data link? 10 million people, we've said all this, you've been paid to do it, you're not doing it, why are you not doing it? And they said, we can't figure out a way to do that study. Even though they did a whole study on how to do the study, they're still saying they don't know how to do it. And here's my point. Do you actually believe just for a second that the cdc, the nih, you know, our health, health community hasn't done the most obvious, easiest study you'd ever do, which is we, we're the home of Apple, we're the home of IBM, we're the home of PCs, we're now the home of AI and computer learning. The easiest thing in the world to do is say to a computer, here's the kids, people that have had vaccines throughout their life and here's the one that didn't. Could you query who has more cancer, who has more autism, autism, who has more asthma, who has more like everything, every, you know, sort of chronic of the 60% chronic illness. Take everything that makes up that 60% and just ask the computer who has more of it, the ones that have been vaccinated, the ones that haven't. You could do that study today, right now, if you, if you had the tools and everything ready to go, probably in 10 minutes, certainly in a week. So I ask you, as Bobby Kenney was sitting in that room and we've been a Bigger and bigger voice, all the way to the point where we just. I was Bobby's director of communications, so I got him all the way to the most powerful position of health in the world, which is the HHS secretary. Do you think they want him there?
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Alex Clark
No.
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Dell BigTree
Okay. Do you think that it's lost on them that the easiest way to stop him from being getting there would be to go ahead and do a comparative study on this database so that you could say to the world, hey, look, we study the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated vaccinated are far healthier for all these reasons. Less cancer, less autism, less blah, blah, blah, less blah, blah, blah. You have to assume they have done that study because I wouldn't be here if they were right. And Bobby would not have this position. He would not be in control of health for the world if all they had to do was show you vaccinated or healthier than unvaccinated. So I guarantee you, I will bet my house on this. This. I'll bet this entire podcast studio and everything on it that they have done that comparative study. Because it's what they do all the time on everything else.
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Alex Clark
Right. What you're saying makes sense to me. My question is, would Bobby have access to that in his position that he's in now?
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Dell BigTree
I'm still trying to understand that. As close as I am, he's having to keep all of this under really close observation. What I heard when he first got in there, not sure. Again, I'm not sure it's true.
- [89:54]
Alex Clark
Right.
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Dell BigTree
But the story coming out was that the vaccine safety data link had been displayed, disposed of right before he got there. That Peter Marks, such a surprise. Peter Marks, apparently, possibly. Let me not get, you know, be libelous here. Somebody looks like they destroyed all that data before Bobby got in there. Because that study could have been ready in a couple of weeks. We were ready to do it. It was everything we ran on. It's why we ran him for President, so that we could finally do that study and get to the bottom of this. So right now, as far as I know, that database is been obliterated. I think my understanding is scientists are being brought in to see if they can reassemble that database, figure out where it went. It's. It's basically like 10 different satellite HMOs and things that have always been monitored.
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Alex Clark
Well, maybe Doge can find it.
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Dell BigTree
I mean, I think that you have. You have some of the top minds that Bobby can find. I think looking at how to put.
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Alex Clark
That together, Together we had Bobby come out. He said, we're gonna know what causes autism by September. Now the verbiage on that is very subtly being shifted. Is that because they got in there and they saw that this data was missing and they're kind of like, crap? That's what we were counting on.
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Dell BigTree
That's my hypothesis.
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Alex Clark
Provaxers are going to say, okay, fine, Hep B, whatever. Polio. You can't deny that polio helped almost completely eradicate that disease. We needed that vaccine. It worked. What's your response to that again?
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Dell BigTree
I said it earlier. We haven't eradicated that disease. You know, any story that you tell has to have an ending. This story doesn't have an ending yet. And so we don't know what's going to happen. We have a really big problem right now, and that is that the. We're using a live virus polio vaccine in the one that. The one that sort of really stopped. Polio in America is a dangerous vaccine. Just like smallpox, the live virus polio vaccine can give you polio. It can also start an outbreak break. And so it's why we stopped using in America. We thought it had been effective enough, so we've gone for a less effective polio vaccine. Here's a news flash. The polio vaccine that we're taking in America doesn't stop transmission. It's just like Covid. So it's only gonna stop your symptoms, keep you from being paralyzed, which, you know, great, all right, you're not gonna get paralyzed, but you can carry it. And that gets to be a problem. When you think about when they say community immunity. It's not just about the individuals that are vaccinated. Cause like, honestly, my mom, when I was unvaccinated, my mom would go to a school. School they say, we only have vaccinated kids in here. You can't bring your kid here. My mom would say, well, if your kids are all vaccinated, what risk is my kid to your kids? And they didn't really have an answer for that. Right. Yeah, but what ends up what they ended up changing the story about 10 years ago, saying, no, no, no, it's not about the kids are vaccinated. We're sure they're safe. It's about their new infant sibling that can't be vaccinated or about the immune suppressed. The immune suppressed cancer patient that can't take the vaccine right now. The that they're in danger. So we all need to vaccinate to protect them. Right. And that's herd Immunity, that's this idea of herd immunity. You have a real problem with that argument when the product only stops your symptoms. Because now you have a bigger problem. And we. I've won court cases on this around pertussis. Same thing doesn't stop transmission. And so let's use pertussis. Cause it's easy to understand. The lawsuit basically was. There was a whole ad campaign that they would show grandma holding the baby. And then in the mirror, she looks like the big bad wolf. And the idea that you to get your TDAP vaccine, therefore you could have pertussis, and you're putting this brand new baby at risk that can't get the vaccine yet. And you don't want a baby to have whooping cough. I'll agree with that. You don't want an infant baby to have whooping cough. But here's the problem. The studies now, baboon studies, all sorts of studies they've done, show that it just like Covid, the whooping cough vaccine only stops you from having a cough, stops your symptoms. It doesn't stop you from having whooping cough. In fact, when they tested it, if you got the vaccine and then you came in contact with, in this case was baboon. When a baboon that had pertussis was put in a cage with one that had been vaccinated, the vaccinated colonized all of the bacteria, in fact, more. For some reason, the vaccine made them more contagious and have more of it. They just didn't know it because they weren't coughing. And so now take that and look at what we're doing in the world. We're saying to the grandparents, go get this vaccine so that you'll protect the baby. But all that vaccine does is block the symptom or the alarm system that lets your grandparents know that they're sick. And so would you rather the grandparent get a vaccine? They have pertussis like crazy. In fact, even more infectious. But they feel great and they come over and they're kissing and loving on the baby. That's the most dangerous thing that could happen. I would prefer that my parents not get the vaccine so that they get a little scratchy throat. They're starting to get kind of sick. They're gonna call me and say, hey, you know what? Got a little bit of a scratchy throat. Probably not a good time to visit the baby. That's what you want to have happening. Instead, the vaccine is putting those babies at risk because no one knows that they're sick. Same thing with Polio eventually. And we are starting to see polio in the water system in New York City. Very scary. They test, by the way, this is something they do all over the world, world. They test your sewage system to see what diseases are in the community. New York City right now has polio in some group of people and it's really starting to panic the cdc, the who and they're going to say it's the anti vaxxers that are causing it.
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Alex Clark
So be watching for this because it's going to happen.
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Dell BigTree
Guarantee you this is going to happen. But if it's the strain that is coming out of Middle east that's being caused by the vaccine program, we're not vaccinated for it and we're not taking a vaccine that stops it. So now people are catching, catching it from people that are visiting from all over the world and they're spreading it. By the way, if you're not vaccinated, you'll catch it, develop lifelong immunity and you will be the only one that actually has herd immunity that can protect that baby, that can't, can protect everybody else. Lastly, polio is not the epidemic that we believe that it is. You should definitely read the book Dissolving Illusions by Suzanne Humphreys if you're not into reading a really intense, powerful book. Then Joe Rogan interviewed her I think about a month ago. And it's one of the most mind blowing interviews you'll ever see. But she, she goes right at task with polio. What you don't know is that less than 1% actually had the paralysis issue. 99% of people that got polio was nothing. In fact, polio was all over our bodies and on our skin since the dawn of man. It only appears right there in America at the same time as we were spreading. First it was a lead and arsenic to use to kill bugs and things. It was sort of being used everywhere. One of the side effects that are, are paralysis. And then we switched that out for a product called ddt. If you go back and look at the old black and white movies, they were like running these trucks and spraying this pesticide, insecticide. They're spraying pools. You see clouds of kids getting hit with it. They said it's perfectly safe, like you could eat it on your Cheerios. What that is what was happening at the same time you have the polio outbreak. So Suzanne shows you that this very well may have been a paralysis brought on by chemical poisoning then by polio. Polio doesn't have a strong history of causing paralysis where you don't have toxic chemicals around number one. Number two, less than 1% actually had that issue. Even though we feel like it was like 99%. So 99% of people do just fine. It's just like having a cold. It's an enterovirus. Lastly, there's some doctors and nurses out there that in the polio outbreak used a different method instead of, and I forget this one famous nurse, instead of binding the legs of the kids that got polio, she did the opposite every day. She made them like bend them, work them, bend them, move all of their limbs, just kept them moving throughout the illness for a week or two to. And not one of her kids ended up having permanent paralysis. And it really again, this is like common sense. Like where would you ever atrophy something? If it's getting stiff, why bind it so it stays stiff? You know, we know this when, when we have an injury now, we work it out, we bend and we walk it off. Like you don't lay there anymore, you don't let it get stiff. Instead our approach, the binding of the legs is probably what really ended up causing, causing all of the major paralysis. So there's just, there's just lots and lots of points there that I think need to be considered. This story again is manufactured. Now we a lot of this we know benefit of hindsight, I'm sure polio was very scary for the people who were involved with it. But at the same time, this is another shocking reality, right? When the polio vaccine come, the polio was going like this already. The polio vaccine comes, comes. And what also changes is they change the definition of polio as soon as they gave the vaccine. Prior to the vaccine, you had to have a paralytic, you know, symptom and then come back two weeks later. And if you still had that symptom, that was polio. Once the vaccine came, they said you only have to have paralysis two days in a row, like inside of a 48 hour period and then you have paralysis. So they absolutely lowered the bar on things you could call polio. They also cut out Guillain Barre syndrome, transverse myelitis and labeled them as different things. So they were developing the ability to realize there was different paralytic diseases, right? So that, just think of that, if you did that, that shrinks polio. Because now you're breaking what used to be one catch all for paralysis and putting it in four different categories. They did it exact same time that they deliver the vaccine. And here's what's amazing. President Roosevelt Famous for having polio in the wheelchair. Right. And is the March of Dimes all that comes out of his paralysis? Like, oh my God, he's a polio sufferer. He really believes in this. We got to get behind this. They've gone back and looked at his symptoms and how it all happened. He had transverse myelitis.
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Alex Clark
No way.
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Dell BigTree
Didn't have polio.
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Alex Clark
This interview, I'm gonna have to listen to it 10 times. I, I, I have to go back and listen to this 10 times. It's one of those that's like you.
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Dell BigTree
May be the only one listening. Cuz I guarantee you if you're on YouTube or anything, this is gonna be, this is gonna be censored so quickly.
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Alex Clark
Probably Spotify video only.
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Dell BigTree
Honestly.
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Alex Clark
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Dell BigTree
Yeah.
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Alex Clark
In your opinion, is this a step toward accountability or, or is this optics?
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Dell BigTree
I think it's a step toward, it's clearly a step towards accountability, but I will also say it's optics if nothing gets done.
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Alex Clark
Okay, okay, but that's fair.
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Dell BigTree
But let's be clear. And I, I, I've, I don't, I didn't look at the newspapers but I got interviewed last week by New York Times, Washington Post, Wall street journaling. Everyone was like is, is Kennedy overreaching now? Is this really in his, should he be doing this as HH secretary? Isn't this out of line? Like all like that was are the, the line of questioning. And I would say this, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices is the beating heart of corporate capture. When I was Bobby's, you know, director of communications, he ran on really two issues. Heal the divide and end corporate capture, end the corruption of corporate interest controlling our government. That was his number one thing, especially because we know what's happening inside of this, these hhs, nih, cdc, fda. And so the advisory committee on Immunization practices has notoriously been conflicted with conflicts of interest. In fact, the last study done on the, we call it ACIP committee is that 97% of them are not filling out their conflict of interest forms because they work for the very same company that's presenting their vaccine. And they're all rubber stamping every vaccine vaccine to prove the point. It should bother people now that they're discovering the truth, which is not a single double blind placebo trial happened for any of your vaccines. None of your vaccines got the same appreciation that a cancer study got. Your child was never considered as necessary for safety. As someone that's dying of four stage cancer, they care more about the safety of a product for a cancer patient than your brand new baby. That should be so alarming and upsetting to you. And then recognize that not one of those vaccines would have been allowed to have screaming have skipped the safety trials if anyone at ASIP had raised their hand and said, oh hell no. Oh hell no. But instead you've had this rubber stamping group of, of corporate, you know, captured shills pushing products that absolutely, of all the products on earth that should be getting the longest, most durable, thorough safety tests there are, is the one products being forced on perfectly healthy, healthy children that have no risk whatsoever. Right now you are putting them at risk with a product that didn't get a safety study. And you can open it up and see everything I've said. Transverse myelitis, paralysis, heart issues, skin issues, Steven Johnson syndrome, your skin can fall off, encephalitis, all of that for what? And then you don't even know how many it's happening to because you never did a safety study. That's the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practice. Finally. And I can tell you one of the first things I did when we were with Informed Consent Action Network, the nonprofit I started, Aaron Siri, our lawyer, said to me, dell, if we're ever going to change this issue, we got to start going to these ACIP meetings. Because that's where they keep adding all these vaccines onto the schedule. And it's open to the public and we can speak on a microphone and talk out against it. Right in the middle of the meeting I was like, let's do that. So we back in 2017 went to the first advisory committee meeting. It's just me and Aaron and then it's just all pharma. I mean, the place is packed like, I don't know, 3, 400 people in the room. Everyone around these circles of voters and everything. And you can see some of the images, you look them up online and we're just in a couple of chairs. You could sit whatever you wanted really, anywhere around the circle. So the first time was the three of us. Then I went on the high wire, said, check out what they said at this meeting because it's all public. I burn them home hard. And then I was like, the next time I was like, we're going meet us there and sign up. And here's how you sign up. So the next time there's like 25 of us at this meeting. And then the third time there's like a hundred people starting to show up and we were all lining up on the microphone and getting our time. I mean, this used to be a country club for pharma and we messed it up hard. And so last week was really, for me, it was cathartic because it is one of the main things that we've been fighting for is to clean up that corrupt agency that keeps forcing more and more, more of these dangerous products on our kids and to see Bobby finally just, you know, wipe them all out. And, and, and I'll be honest, there's some real pro vaxxers that are on the new committee as, as there should be. But there's also people that are really have asked serious questions. So it's going to be a diverse group of scientists, which is how science is supposed to happen. I'm sure you're going to see a lot of more arguments where I think that, I think the first meeting is in a next Thursday. Everyone's wondering what is that meeting going to be like? Does it stay on the rails? Because next, now, now this conversation is going to be a debate. The rubber stamp is over. So it's a, it's a great moment.
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Alex Clark
Why did Bobby Kennedy tweet, well, vaccines are safe and effective and all that.
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Dell BigTree
Recently, again, I'll, I'll, I'll stick to hypotheticals and speculating and, and I'll be honest, he's not, he knows me well enough that I'm not, I can't lie. So he is definitely not telling me certain things because he knows the press is asking. And so all he said to me is everything I'm saying. And he's right in that. And you're talking about, he didn't say all vaccines. I think the quote you're talking about was during the measles outbreak here in Texas. I think they just had a second death. He was visiting the family and he said something to the fact that the measles vaccine is the best way to protect yourself from the spread of measles.
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Alex Clark
Right?
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Dell BigTree
Technically, that's true. The measles vaccine is actually effective, as far as we can tell. I have some questions about it, but you aren't going to catch measles after you've had that vaccine. Now, you could have side effects from that, but he doesn't get into that. He didn't say. He didn't say. And it's the safest thing you could ever do with your body. He doesn't go that far, which is my beef with it. Actually, you know, my beef with Bobby is like, you know, you said you were going to be transparent. The one part may be true. And I. And I tweeted out, actually, after his. I said, your. Your tweet got cut off. It's also the best way to cause autism, as witnessed by millions of parents around the world. I think what you're watching, and in fact, I know what you're watching in Bobby is. Is you're watching the swamp. You're watching a guy who has written books on how he sees the world, especially around vaccines on chemicals. He's the greatest environmental attorney of all times. But he's not in a courtroom now, and he's not standing, you know, with an audience of us, you know, and getting us all riled up at a crowd. He is the head of an agency that is 65,000 people, people in it. And, you know, when you want to get something done, you need those people to actually want to help you.
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Alex Clark
You need trust that he can withstand the pressure the next four years.
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Dell BigTree
I think he can withstand the pressure. The question is, will he be able to cut through the apathy? Can he cut through the bureaucracy and get done what needs to get done? You know, we had. I was with him in several meetings as he started talking to potential, you know, people to be in his cabinet. And one of them, I'll never forget was a former HHS secretary for a little while that said something very interesting. He said, you know, Bobby. And I expected all these people to hate Bobby, by the way. I mean, because they were all like, they're all from. A lot of them were sent over by Trump. Like, here's the people who've done it. Here's who we've liked before. And so, you know, those meetings were very interesting, but they all kind of looked at him, like, with, like, stars in their eyes, like wow. You might be able to do what I was never able to do, like. And it's tough. The point people mean well. They're just. It takes a special kind of person to actually make change. It takes a real warrior that really doesn't care what anyone else thinks. But this one, I'll never forget. He said, you know, Bobby, I hear you talking about. It's like, you know, the corruption inside of the agencies is what the problem is. And the fact that there's this revolving door where people work as the head of HHS and then they go on to work for Pfizer. And he's like, you know, that's a problem, but that's like 10% of your problem. And he's like, I've also heard about how you talk about the kickbacks that are happening, like, Moderna's made. And I think there's, like, 10 people that own patents in Moderna that work at NIH. So you have real government officials making money off of a product by the same agencies that are supposed to be testing it for safety and telling you whether it works or not. So it's huge conflict of interest. And he said, you know, and that exists, and it's a problem, but that's about 10% of your problem. He said, 80% of your problem when you take this job is this massive bureaucracy that has no intention of ever doing anything different than it's been doing it for the last 80 years. And when you show up, you're like a substitute teacher, and it's like, well, you'll be here for, you know, two years, maybe four years. And then the next person will come. We're not going anywhere somewhere. So we'll just, you know, tell you what you want to hear. They'll tell you what you want to hear. They'll tell you what you want to hear. I want the study grow. Yeah, we love, love to do that study. He's like, and then for a month, you'll be like, okay, how's the study coming? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're working on it. Then three months, you start getting pissed off, like, what's happening with this study? I need to see this study. And they'll go, okay, yeah, we're just finishing up, finishing up. A month later, that's it. I'm gonna fire you. Okay, we're coming. Here's the study. And you're like. And then you'll get it. And it's the exact opposite, opposite of what you asked them to do. And you're like, no, this is the opposite way I should do. Oh, our bad. And the process starts all over again.
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Alex Clark
Oh, it's a tactic.
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Dell BigTree
He's like, if you can figure out how to deal with that, then. Then, you know, and. And the rest of it's not. He's like, you do have an advantage. This person said, you have an advantage, Bobby, because, you know, you're not a lawyer like some of us, or you're not a doctor. You don't have to go and work with this industry. You don't get care. In fact, you might go back to suing them. So you. There's no love lost. Or you don't. You are not manipulated the way the rest of us. I didn't want to hurt someone's feeling so bad because they may be my client somewhere in the future.
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Alex Clark
Right.
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Dell BigTree
You don't have that. So Bobby has that advantage. But he's also. I'll tell you, Bobby's a really incredibly nice guy. Like, he's just really, genuinely a good person who loves people and doesn't see people as his enemy and wants people to work together. Together. So if he's making statements like the measles vaccine is the best way to, you know, protect yourself from measles, he's trying to do several things. First of all, I am sure someone high up is saying, you better jump on this sword or your days here are going to be numbered. You're never going to get to anything you want to do if you don't at least sort of stand in the. This conjecture. So maybe there's pressure there. But also, also, he is the HHS secretary for the whole country. 50% of this country still believes in the vaccine. So he's addressing them and saying, I'm not doing what they warned you I would. They told you I would come in here and take your vaccines away. It's not what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do science on your vaccines, and you're gonna need to see it. He's also signaling, as he said, you know, in a really great meeting in front of the whole HHS body. I wanna put all of our differences aside. I wanna put all of our. Chuck. Our biases aside, preconceived ideas of what all of us think. And I want to come to this table of science with fresh eyes, fresh minds, able to put every single thing on the table. We're going to look at all of it and come up with the real answers for the people, despite who may have been funded or who it was made by or who we know can we leave all that outside? And so I think when you're seeing these statements, though, I'm not crazy about that statement. I know what's in his heart. I've known him for 10 years. I worked, I walked next to him for three years. Years. I can assure you that a man who's been dragged, I mean, and I see a lot of attacks from our side. And I'll say this, I'm a journalist. I'm not a doctor. Some of them are doctors, whatever. I've studied human beings and I will tell you, I've never met a person that could be dragged through the mud, have their entire family name ruined in Kennedy, have their legacy of being the greatest environmental attorney of all times basically destroyed simply because they look at this environmental toxin, mercury that's being injected through vaccines. Vaccines. Suddenly they lose all of that reputation. A guy that was literally handed a Senate seat in New York and decided, you know what, give it to Hillary Clinton. I don't think I want to be in politics. That's how big this guy was right before he got into the vaccine issue. Then he saw something like I did that changes your life forever. There's no other explanation for it. And that's what was so amazing about watching him run for president is people like, this guy is definitely not crazy. I mean, he, and he's well read. He understands the Middle east, he understands war, he understands politics. I mean, he seems, he's so knowledgeable about all of this. And that's the guy I know. This is guy is. He is here for all of the right reasons, but they have destroyed his credibility. He has been dragged hard and feathered on this vaccine issue for nearly 20 years. You don't go through all that, make it through every gauntlet and stand by it. I even said to him on the campaign one day, bobby, why did you never walk away? I mean, I don't really. I didn't have much to lose. I mean, I was, you know, I was a good producer at cbs. But you're like Robert Kennedy. You could have gone on to easily have been president. You definitely could have been senator. You could have been a governor. And you're the greatest environmental attorney. Democrats love you for environmental work. And they would probably bring you back if you would just say, I'm letting this vaccine thing go. Let me get focused on the other things that you all carry about. And he said, del, my father raised me to believe that we are here for the people that don't have a voice. And if you find an issue, you Know that is the people are suffering from, then it is your duty to use any power you have to protect those people. And he said, del, the moment I recognize that babies are being killed, that children's lives are being destroyed at higher and higher numbers, that, you know, 85% of autistic children will never hold a job job, they'll never get to be married. They'll never have a family. You know, that's not fair and it's not right. And I am not wired to walk away from that. Someone that fights like that their whole life and puts up with all the ridicule that suddenly has a job where they can do something about it, doesn't at that moment go, well, you know what? Now I'm here, let's let bygones be bygones.
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Alex Clark
You say all of this, I mean, glowing stuff about Bobby, but aren't you suddenly suing him?
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Dell BigTree
Not suing him yet. I am bringing Freedom of Information act requests against hhs.
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Alex Clark
Okay, explain this.
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Dell BigTree
So, so Freedom of Information act request is how we start our lawsuits. We ask for information. We ask for something to be done. If it doesn't get done or we don't receive what we're asking for, then we bring a lawsuit. We have started with a Freedom of Information act request demanding that the vaccine safety data la link that database that may have been destroyed that we were talking about earlier. We are demanding that that be made public so all scientists in the, in the public can do the same studies that we're asking the government to do. That's a part of my putting pressure on the system.
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Alex Clark
Okay, but it doesn't mean you guys aren't friends anymore.
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Dell BigTree
No. And, and, and, and, and this is part of like a lot of people ask. As I said, I'm, I'm stepped, I've stepped down from running, running the Maha Pack and MAHA Alliance. MAHA Action because I was starting to feel a little bit of a conflict of interest there. The work that I do at my other non profit informed consent action network on the high wires, I've been suing the government. It's how we bring pressure. It's how we bring transparency. So on one hand, I really believe that Bobby can't, he can't just find stuff and just hand it to the public. It actually needs to be pulled out of the, the government through lawsuits and things like that.
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Alex Clark
Okay.
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Dell BigTree
So I feel like that's my position to bring those lawsuits and demand like I'm demanding, where's the vsd? Right? He's probably thinking, where is the Effing vsd. I'm trying to find it in here. Yeah, but I want to bring public pressure so that he can maybe bring political pressure.
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Alex Clark
Okay, that totally makes sense.
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Dell BigTree
All right, but that being said, I did also come out against his statement on that X saying this is not a safe example vaccine. And I wish he did. I mean, what I wish he'd had done is said, you know, MMR vaccine is the best way to, you know, protect yourself from measles. But if you're worried about the safety, here's go to, you know, FDA approved vaccines, look up the MMR and then read the list of side effects. If you'd have put that in his, fine, then I feel like you're being as transparent as I had hoped you would be. Now, look, I don't know who he's dealing with. I don't know if it's Trump team that's bringing pressure. Are like, can you do me a favor? Like, I, by the way, I know Trump really wants him to get to the bottom of this issue.
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Alex Clark
Why does President Trump, who's obsessed with McDonald's and all of this, care so much about this health stuff? Because the mainstream media can't wrap their mind around it either. And I get asked this, like, weekly.
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Dell BigTree
I think that vaccine injury has been close to him. I think he's, I think he means it when he says he's seen it with his own eyes. And I think it scared the hell out of him. And I think from that moment, he has been doing something, something about it. And so all the way back in 2017, when he first talked to Bobby and we had that meeting, this is something he hasn't let go. You're usually not that passionate about something unless it's affected your life. It. I feel like it must be something that, that is his to keep private, but it is, it's outside of the normal way that I see him carry himself on most issues like this. And you're right, he eats McDonald's, so what is the big. What is the big deal here? But ultimately, you know, I, I've, I've gotten the opportunity to stand in a room with both Bobby and Trump a couple of times, and I'll be honest, I don't think Trump knows my name. I mean, when you go to these things, you're. I'm a part of that little entourage behind the only guy that's actually getting to speak to.
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Alex Clark
Yeah, totally, Trump.
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Dell BigTree
But being in the room, these two guys, the way that they talk to each other, the way they act to each other, both on camera and off camera. Camera is really one of the most beautiful things I've seen because I've seen publicly the power of Trump. And, you know, you could, whatever you think he's got a big ego in all this. I know how powerful and dynamic, you know, Bobby is. But they both are very careful. They, like, they. They like, pull it back to make sure that they don't step on each other's toes. And it's happening like, is a mutual experience. Donald Trump gets on a microphone. He goes out of his way to just mostly talk about Bobby. Then Bobby gets on. He does most of it. This is for Donald Trump. This is. President Trump's made this possible, you know, but even when they talk to each other, there's a grace and a respect for each other that is really unique. And I've heard from some people around President Trump that, you know, the other entourage behind Trump, but we're all talking around the water cooler, like, yeah, he doesn't really treat anyone else like that. Like, he treats people.
- [122:33]
Alex Clark
I love that a little. It's like frog and toad. On a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rate the job we've done in. In Maha so far? Like, where are we pulling punches? What do we need to hit hard next?
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Dell BigTree
Well, I think, like, I like to determine, like, two things about Maha. I think there's Bobby and Maha. And Maha is an executive order. Maha is a commission inside of government. I think that's different than the Maha movement, which is a movement of the people, for the people, by the people, which I think is the most important part of Maha. This, no matter what Bobby ends up doing, it's still the government. And one of the things that I'm focused on right now, now is government is not, should not be determining your health. You should not be putting your life in your body and your sovereignty and your faith of what you know is good for you and not good for you in the hands of your government. If all the things on this earth that you should hold dearest and do your most research on and really be skeptical, even if it's a doctor in a lab coat, I don't care. Do your own research. It's health and it's this issue. So as a movement, our job is to pressure the government to do as much as it can possibly do, especially right now. But also we should be working harder to build systems amongst ourselves, communities amongst ourselves. Find those practitioners that aren't using drugs as your first method of health. You know, getting starting to do Some research. What do you think about chiropractic? What do you think about homeopathy? What do you think. Think about acupuncture? All of those things. Because there are so many ways to achieve health that are outside of the drug industry. And for whatever Bobby attempts or, or even, you know, champions and makes happen inside this government, pharma is there and it will return and it will. So I think we should have to be careful to ju, you know, to rate our success based on something the government is doing. We should be rating our success on what, what we're achieving. But for Bobby right now, I would give him, I would honestly give him a 10 out of 10. And, and here's the reason I know people freak out. There are people dying right now from the COVID vaccine and he hasn't gotten rid of it.
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Alex Clark
I was just gonna say, I was just gonna say there's a handful of doctors very loud on social media right now, pissed to the heavens saying, or.
- [124:47]
Dell BigTree
Maybe back it off, we'll give him a nine out of ten.
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Alex Clark
Well, they're like, bobby, we have the evidence. Take the frickin COVID vaccine. Off the record recommended schedule. I mean, is it political suicide for him to do that? Like, can he really do it? It would be a total mistake at.
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Dell BigTree
This point in I believe, I believe that would be the biggest mistake he could make.
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Alex Clark
Okay, why? Because those people are adamant, like we're all corrupt. Cali needs is corrupt. You know, he's a lizard man. Whatever. Because we won't. We're not advocating for Bobby to do this yet, okay?
- [125:16]
Dell BigTree
I want anyone that's thinking that to embrace whatever family member they have that are just the staunchest pro vaxxers and are lining up for their 10th booster, Master Shot. And think about how much of this country thinks that Bobby Kennedy is a fraud, a shill, that he's there for the anti vaxxers. Is there, is it anti science? And then imagine when the anti science guy just goes in and personally says, trust me, the science is there and we're getting rid of the coven. We're getting rid of all MRNA technology. And while we're at it, there goes the hepatitis B vaccine and I might even yank the MMR off the street shelves. What would that actually do for this country? What would that. And what, more importantly, what would that do for this vaccine issue? There'd be a bunch of really stoked anti vaxxers and X vaxxers and people that, or those that just want, you know, medical freedom, I guess, going, yeah, awesome. And Almost like, you know, revenge. We did it, man. Screw you. You messed with us during COVID We came back and we took you out and we'd be jumping up and down, down, and maybe some babies, maybe some babies will be saved, you know, during that period of time, but the reaction to that will be complete and total rage by half the country that will do everything. They will, they, they will turn away from worrying about ice and they will be all over the capital. And then Toronto. Trump will have to ask, do I need this much pressure on what Bobby's doing?
- [126:39]
Alex Clark
And then get rid of Bobby completely.
- [126:40]
Dell BigTree
And maybe get rid of Bobby and say he doesn't did it.
- [126:42]
Alex Clark
So is there a path, Mission accomplished. Is there a path eventually in the next four years to maybe remove.
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Dell BigTree
I will tell you that we talked about this for years coming into this, that if Bobby ever got to that position that he would have to move methodically. That the only way we actually make change is change that everyone in this country sees and believes, which is don't bring in a bunch of anti vaccine doctors to run the regulatory agencies. And by the way, I hate using that term term because it's a pejorative put on people that made really great decisions, risk their careers and licenses. You know, but we've got to find, you know, people that Democrats trust.
- [127:23]
Alex Clark
Right.
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Dell BigTree
So when you see Dr. Marty McCary, everyone knows that that's a television doctor. He's a great, you know, I was he, you know, surgeon and I mean very well qualified. Dr. Mehmet Oz has his own show, one of the most accomplished heart doctors ever in both those guys have made pro vaccine statements. Right. Bring in people like that that are truly dedicated to the science. And you're watching it in Marty right now. Right. All he's saying is I need evidence that this vaccine, that this booster shot actually is stopping transmission or that's effective for children. It's all we ever wanted asked. But bring in scientists like that, then have those scientists take a look at the database. Bring in scientists, look at how he's with the advisory committee immunization practices. Bring in Dr. Robert Malone, who' invented vaccines, including the MRNA technology itself, but has now got some skepticism across from Martin Koldorff, who is pro childhood Vaccine, thinks all those vaccines are great. Maybe we need to look at the COVID vaccine and then a couple other guys that Paul Offit himself is saying these are brilliant choices. Bring in people from all over the spectrum of science and then say, can we all sit down and say how would we do the vaccinated versus unvaccinated study that we all know could get to the bottom of this let's think tank to make that the provaxers got their way of doing the study in that we all found a compromise. So that this study that if we saw whatever we see, all of us will resoundingly say we agree that is the results of that study. If you do that and then you present that to the world and that shows that there are some things that maybe the vaccine is great for and others that it's bad for and we as a, as a group and by the way, the vaccine safety data link is, is now public because ICANN won their lawsuit or whatever, whatever Del Big tree got his way. So any university, Harvard or Oxford or even across the ocean, you can get this data and run this study, see how we did it and run it and see if it's reproducible. And if you put up science, let's say it shows that the vaccines actually increase your risk of autism by four times. 400% increased risk of autism. If you get the vaccine, you don't want it just because Bobby told me you so you want it because you know a Harvard doctor that's been provaccine and anti Bobby this whole time said I'm shocked. I have to tell you. But looking at the evidence, it's there and anyone in the world can check our math and they'll come to the same conclusion when that moment happens. And I believe it's possible and I believe it will happen if Bobby's given the right amount of time, then you have just made change. Then the entire country says oh my God. God. I guess we need to reevaluate the vaccine program. We need to evaluate a country that forces this on me and my kids without my consent. And that's what Bobby is working towards. And anything else to me is a sand painting. Anything else he does prior to that will be a great victory and will save kids for a few days. But the moment he leaves that job, we'll go right back and we will never ever, ever get this opportunity. Kennedy again. We will never have a Robert Kennedy Jr. Again. We'll never have a man that's capable of the type of compromise to dance the ways because I don't think I could do it. I don't think I'd be able to do it. I don't think I'd be able to sit there the way he did in those keyrings and get berated with things you know they're wrong on and Just suck it up and deal with it. Bobby is designed for this. He's designed to get this done right. And he is focused on one thing. I want the world to see the science that has never been done. I want the scientists involved to not just be on my side, but just to be committed to doing good science. And I want that science to be reproducible. And whatever comes from that, we will change the world forever. That is what he's up to. And any other demand is an ego demand for a little celebrational moment that will blow away like a sand painting in the wind. That is not what we're here for.
- [131:25]
Alex Clark
Does anybody in this administration have the power to reverse the 1986 law that protects vaccine manufacturers?
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Dell BigTree
Congress can do that.
- [131:32]
Alex Clark
Okay.
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Dell BigTree
Because the Congress put that act in place. There are other things that could change the mandate for a vaccine, like taking, you know, if you took the COVID vaccine off the recommended schedule, that schedule, Covid is not a good example because it also has PREP act covering it. But if you took a vaccine off the, like, let's say, hepatitis B, if hepatitis B comes out of recommendation foundation, and we say, you know what? We think this is just a doctor's choice that the risk is so low for everyone that doesn't have hep B. That being added to the CDC schedule is what gives it the 86 liability protection. If the CDC took it off the schedule now, you could sue it, but.
- [132:13]
Alex Clark
You can't go backwards. Let's say you have a vaccine, injured child, and this law gets reversed. Can you go back and sue them or no, you're. You're out.
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Dell BigTree
You'd probably have issues. I'm not a lawyer. You'd probably have issues with retroactive lawsuits that you. You've run out of the time frame that you have to report an injury. I think, I think it's inside of three years. You have three years to recognize that that was a vaccine injury to. To bring a lawsuit.
- [132:35]
Alex Clark
Okay, got it. Can President Trump do anything for these families living in states that say your kid cannot attend school if they're not fully vaccinated?
- [132:42]
Dell BigTree
Somebody just asked me this the other day. I think he said something along the lines of, I will stop funding public schools that force vaccinations on. On their students? I think he made that statement or alluded to it. That's potential. I mean, I think we draw a lot of lawsuits, obviously, from those states or those schools. I haven't seen him do that, but that's a. That's a. I think something that could possibly be in, in his purview. But also, you know, I think you also want to be really careful. This is something that I grew up a liberal person, Progress from Boulder, Colorado. I'm now politically marooned. If I had to say, I probably aligned with libertarians more than anything else. But I do get more and more into bringing like the libertarian idea that you want your government as close to you as possible. So you want your city to be more powerful than your county, than your state and up the road because it's easier to replace a senator than it is to replace a president. So if the president, the law comes down from the president, it's really hard to get to him to, to change it. The law comes down from a governor or inside of your state, it's easier. It takes fewer votes to replace them, so you have more power as a citizen. I think we should be really careful how often we use Donald Trump, President Trump, to make, to fix our problems, to let the federal government fix our problems, because really, that's just another version of the nanny state. It's the same thing that conservatives complain about that liberals do, which is you just use the power and the wand of federal authoritarianism suggestion. What you want.
- [134:18]
Alex Clark
Go to your local elected officials and say, I'm not happy with this state.
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Dell BigTree
Yes.
- [134:23]
Alex Clark
Okay.
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Dell BigTree
Yeah. I mean, look, your job is to change your legislators to change in California, your legislators that are voting to have a mandated vaccine program. And by the way, this is what my nonprofit, Informed Consent Action Network does. We bring lawsuits. We won back the religious exemption for vaccine in all the UC University school system. So as a college student, you don't have to get back. You can opt out on a religion. Just believe. So now all we have left is the elementary, you know, lower school system, and we're bringing lawsuits to achieve that. I also know that inside of the politics at the state capitol in California, we're starting to see Democrats come our way. This thing is changing across the board. And again, we should as citizens be empowered to do as much of this on our own as we can. If you're angry that Bobby Kennedy hasn't pulled every vaccine, that children are being injured, injured, maybe instead of just screaming at him on your podcast, why don't you use your podcast to wake up every parent to know, here's how you get an exemption. Here's why you should never take this thing. Inform yourself, because if you're waiting for Bobby, you're still allowing all the of your society to believe that the government will one day be there for you. And Protect you. I just don't think that's the case.
- [135:34]
Alex Clark
Okay, so speaking of that, what should people watch? What should people read so that they can, you know, go to Thanksgiving dinner or go to the summer cookout and be able to defend these ideas and be as well read as you go.
- [135:45]
Dell BigTree
To the highwire.com every Thursday I talk about these topics and as, as I think I've shown you, I won't say anything I can't back with science. I don't speculate and if I do, I'll tell you this is a speculation. So the high wire is important. Our nonprofit Informed Consent Action Network has a website I can decide.org where we have white papers on what we've discovered on vaccines and agree great debate we had with HHS long before Bobby was there saying here's what we think is the problem with your vaccine program. Here's what you should do. And they responded and it goes back and forth. It's very interesting. I think on this issue of vaccines, the documentary I made, not because I made it, I think Vaxxed is one of the most powerful tools. And especially if you're pregnant or thinking of having a baby, that movie has a way of explaining this in a very simple, understandable way that is so powerful. I have people stop me in airports almost every day and say vax saved my life.
- [136:43]
Alex Clark
Where do you watch it?
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Dell BigTree
You can go to our website, the highwire.com just hit the search and write in vax v a xxed. You can watch for free. I think almost every, I think other nonprofit chd I think has it available. Like it's, it's, you know, it's one of those films that's out there. But then I would say, look, if all of that feels like it's biased because it's coming from a guy like me that seems like I have a perspective on this, then I would say do what I've asked you to do. Go to the totally unbiased space, go to Google and just type in FDA licensed vaccines and take the schedule that they want to give your kids. Or you can go to the cdc, just say CDC childhood schedule. Print that out and say, all right, here's the name of all the vaccines. Then look up the vaccine, click on it and click on package insert. And remember, remember this is written by the people that are making billions of dollars off of it. And look at what they say the potential side effects are that you never heard about. Look at, As I said, 6.1. How long was the safety trial? Was there A placebo, There isn't one. And usually it's less than six months. And then look at the ingredients. They'll tell you the ingredients. There's aluminum in there, there's a boarded fetal DNA. You have to sort of, you know, know how to look for that. But then there's hamster kidney cells, there's animal proteins, there's polysorbate 80 there. In vaccines, there's propylene glycol, like basically antifreeze, antifreeze. Just do that. You don't have to have my information. Look what they admit to and ask yourself why your doctor never gave you this insert. And my final test is this. If you're still going to your pediatrician, I want you to ask one question before you get a vaccine. Say to them, will you please list to me every ingredient that's in the vaccine you're about to give me my kids. Tdap, dtap, mmr, what's in it? And they'll say, well, it's some virus. No, no, I mean specifically I want to know every single ingredient in it. They're like, oh, well, I mean, I don't, I'd have to. I mean, if you're lucky, they'll say, let me go get the vaccine insert and bring it to you. Usually they'll get really frustrated and probably this will end with you being kicked out of the practice. But I have yet to find a pediatrician that can list the incident ingredients of any of the vaccines. And here's why that's a problem. You are holding them as a on a pedestal, believing that they're smarter than you are, that they know more about this product than you do, and why should you ever question them? But they don't even know what's in it. I want to point out that your pediatrician really only does two things. They weigh your baby and tell you how heavy they are. And if they're meeting their, you know, scores and they vaccinate your baby. So the only thing they really need to know anything about, that would take a little bit of research. And I thought that eight year, you know, license you got that has me like genuflecting to you meant you actually study this thing. And when they cannot list a single ingredient or all the ingredients in that product, I want you to leave that, that medical office and I want you to go to a decent restaurant down the street. Anyone that, you know, you know, serves dinner and I want you to walk in and I want you to sit down to that menu that has like a hundred things on it. And I want you to grab the waiter when they walk up and, and say, I have several allergies. Can you tell me everything that's in this dish right here of the hundred that are on here and watch that waiter tell you everything I know because I was a waiter for 20 years. They'll tell you everything that's in it. Garlic, olive oil, you name it. 20 ingredients. There's only like 15 ingredients in the vaccine and there's only like 15 vaccines. Why have they never taken the time to even be able to tell you that and forget about, like, what side effects as they don't know anything, anything at all.
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Alex Clark
Are you worried at all about not people not having a paper trail if they don't have a pediatrician for their kid and medical kidnapping?
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Dell BigTree
No.
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Alex Clark
Did your kids have a pediatrician?
- [140:38]
Dell BigTree
Hell no.
- [140:40]
Alex Clark
Okay, ask every guest this. If you could offer one remedy to heal a sick culture, physically, emotionally, or spiritually, what would it be?
- [140:47]
Dell BigTree
Curiosity.
- [140:49]
Alex Clark
Ooh.
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Dell BigTree
Get curious. Not angry. Forget all, all of that. Just be curious. Why? Why does this person think something different than I do? Even, Even if you're anti vax, you think you are. Like, if I interviewed, you know, Tony Fauci, I just want to know why, man, I'm curious. How is it you and I see the world so differently? What is it you're. You've looked at? What is it in your life that has made you make the decisions? Like making up a six foot distancing rule that had no place in science. Help me understand what motivated you to think that that was the best thing to do at the time. I'm really curious. Be curious why your doctor can't list the ingredients in a vaccine. Be curious why they're yelling at you if you ask, can I see the vaccine insert? Because I thought it was allowed to be informed. I thought, this is a free country. Be curious about everything, though. Be curious about, about. Is it really, you know, is Donald Trump right now? I'm curious why is he connecting with Palantir and allowing, you know, AI and research centers to like, have all of our data? And why is he allowing real id? I mean, just because there's things I like about him doesn't take away my curiosity about the things I don't think I like. Right. We got to get out of being just sort of pigeonholed into some identity we've put on ourselves themselves. Be that per person that is just always curious and always asking questions. And really, I can't pin them down. I don't know what they really believe. Because they're willing to question everything.
- [142:25]
Alex Clark
Where should people follow you on social Media?
- [142:27]
Dell BigTree
Go to TheHighWire.com Dell BigTree is everything that I do personally and at Highwire.
- [142:33]
Alex Clark
Talk is is bigtree your real last name or fake?
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Dell BigTree
It's my mom's last name. I took, I took my mom's last name because my father had an alias. Kind of a long story story. But he had a troubled youth and then changed his life, became a minister and I so I grew up in like his new version of himself. But when I turned 18 I just thought that's not a real name. And I love Mom. My mom is Mohawk Iroquois Nation from upstate New York. And it's interesting because I've become, I think somewhat of a warrior. I guess people would say I feel like a warrior and I think somehow I felt that energy inside of me and related to it. And so I'm proud to to take my mom's and by the way, Native American culture was always matriarchal until very recently, so probably should have been her name that I took anyway.
- [143:25]
Alex Clark
Well, Dell, thank you. It's been an honor to have you on. I've been wanting to have you on for years. So thank you for coming on Culture Apothecary.
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Dell BigTree
Thank you for having me. It's been a blast.
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Alex Clark
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