Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark

Episode Title: Milk, Red Meat, and Real Bread: Are Biblical Foods the Missing Key to Wellness?
Guest: Jordan Rubin
Date: August 19, 2025
Host: Alex Clark (Turning Point USA)

Episode Overview

This episode of Culture Apothecary explores the radical idea that the Bible isn't just a spiritual guide but a literal health manual, packed with dietary and lifestyle wisdom that could be the key to modern wellbeing. Host Alex Clark sits down with Jordan Rubin—New York Times bestselling author, natural health pioneer, and proponent of “Biblical health”—to challenge prevailing health narratives and discuss “the Biblio Diet,” Jordan’s latest book. The discussion traverses raw milk, the war on bread, the supposed evils of seed oils, why A1 dairy might be worse than gluten, and the possibility of fighting depression and cancer through Biblical eating principles.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Foundations of Biblical Health

• Jordan Rubin’s personal healing journey from Crohn’s disease and terminal cancer:
  • Turned to a diet based on Biblical principles after failing to find answers in both conventional and alternative medicine.
  • His transformation became his life’s mission:

    "I visited 69 medical experts...Conventional medicine failed. Alternative medicine failed. And I met a man who told me if I followed a diet based on the Bible, proven through history and confirmed by science, I could be well.” (03:24)

2. Science and Scripture: Not at Odds

• Jordan asserts that Biblical food principles are increasingly validated by modern science:

  "The Bible says fat is good. The Bible says red meat is the best thing you can eat. The Bible says bread is so important that Jesus was referred to as the bread of life." (05:44)

• Host skepticism addressed:

  "Healing principles from the Bible...most of what I have written, most of what I followed, most of what I...preach has been proven by science." (05:41)

3. Faith, Responsibility, and Health

• Christians are called to treat their bodies as temples:

  "If we are supposed to be doers of the faith...but we're too sick to move and leave our house, we're totally unwell. How are we going to be able to do that?" (07:03)

• Jordan stresses personal responsibility:

  "Faith is the currency by which you purchase the miracle God is holding for you in his hand." (09:43)

4. Controversial Cancer Healing Testimony

• Jordan’s cancer diagnosis and unconventional healing:

  "I was told that if I didn't seek conventional treatments...there was a 100% chance I would be dead in 90 days. And...one of my passions...is to see people conquer cancer in the name of Jesus." (10:49)

• Detailed his spiritual/physical regimen, emphasizing radical faith and raw, nutrient-dense diets.

  “I took a course where 12 to 14 hours a day, spiritually, mentally, physically and emotionally, I fought cancer.” (89:00)

5. Raising His Family "Biblically"

• Off-the-wall, not off-the-grid: Raising six kids on raw dairy, homemade formulas, grass-fed meats, regenerative farming, homeschool.

  "I’ve been consuming raw dairy for 30 years every single day...My biological son...a 14 ingredient infant formula I made him from raw sheep milk dairy." (12:11)

6. Diet and Mental Health

• Strong claim: Bible-based diet can rapidly improve depression and emotional wellbeing.

  "Have you seen eating a Bible based diet actually heal depression?"
  "Absolutely. And quickly. Really quickly, yes." (14:11)

7. Food Principles: Eat As God Designed

• "Eat what God created for food, and eat food in a form that's healthy for the body." (16:34)
• Industrialized farming, processed convenience foods, and modern bread/flour/oils seen as root causes of sickness.

8. Bread, Dairy, and the Problem with Modern Processing

• Bread is not inherently bad—depends on grain/source/preparation.

  “Bread was so important that the word bread and food are used interchangeably as synonyms in the Bible...A whole grain sourdough is likely the best bread you can consume.” (39:44)

• Modern A1 dairy implicated in a variety of health issues, posited as worse than gluten for some people.

  “A1 dairy could be 13 times more dangerous [than gluten]...As soon as you introduce A1 beta casein, it acts like an opioid...” (49:09)

• Benefits of consuming raw, unprocessed A2 dairy highlighted throughout.

9. Farming and Regenerative Agriculture

• Regenerative agriculture presented as scalable, Biblical, and scientifically optimal.
• Farm practices include polyculture, perennial plants/trees, grazing animals in woods. “God doesn’t plant monocrops.” (54:24)

10. Red Meat: The Ultimate Superfood?

• Pushback against red meat myths:

  “Red meat is a superfood. Anytime anyone could afford it or had the means, they consumed red meat...the fatted calf...King Solomon chose to eat red meat every day.” (58:09)

• Critique of epidemiological studies that demonize meat:

  “The fight against red meat has been consistent...but they did not separate red meat eaters from fast food, red meat eaters...with white bread, ultra-processed seed oils, and all the other junk.” (57:16)

11. Plants, “Anti-nutrients,” and the Power of Leaves

• Plants valuable; certain veggies may need cooking/sprouting for optimal digestion.
• Biblical “healing leaves”: consumption of fruit tree leaves as medicine for diseases like cancer.

  “Ezekiel 47:12 says the fruit will be for food and the leaves for healing...The leaves of the trees are for the healing of the nations.” (70:24) “The poorest people in the most remote nations...have the greatest amounts of healing leaves. There is no barrier here for healing God’s way.” (96:25)

12. The “Deadly Dozen” Foods and Seed Oils

• Top foods to avoid: pork and shellfish (detestable), artificial sweeteners, and processed seed oils.

  "Pork and shellfish and other finless and scaleless fish...[are] monogastric garbage cans." (75:17) "Seed oils...created as varnish to protect wood...have zero resemblance to the seed they came from." (73:15)

13. Home Remedies and Natural First Aid

• Medicine cabinets should focus on: herbs/spices, raw honey, apple cider vinegar, essential oils, homeopathics, peroxide/alcohol for emergencies.
• Raw honey and bee products praised:

  "Honey is the ultimate medicine. Topically, it's a skin regenerator...it is literally a medicine cabinet." (79:03)

14. On Crisis, Conventional Medicine, and Faith

• Jordan recognizes value in trauma care and some allopathy:

  “I’m not against medication...Emergency medicine, trauma medicine, is absolutely essential.” (85:13)

• Recommends measured, responsible decisions, relying on faith but not using “natural health as an idol.” (93:13)

15. Extraordinary Claims and Memorable Moments

• Healing from terminal cancer with faith and raw foods in 40 days.

  “I fired the two oncologists I worked with...After those 40 days...I made the 40 best phone calls in my life.” (87:49, 91:59)

• Household never had aspirin; never used fast food.

  “We don’t have an aspirin in the house. We don’t have any over the counter. Anything...” (27:03)

• The “Devil in the Milk” (A1 Dairy) and “Liquid Evil” (Seed Oils).
• Notable Humor:

  "If God wanted milk to be pasteurized, he would have put a pasteurization chamber on the udder of a cow, goat or sheep." (22:04)
  "'Buffet your body'—not 'buffet your body'..." (19:18)

Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment | |------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:00–02:42| Jordan's healing story; introduction to Biblical health | | 03:12 | Reading the Bible as a health manual | | 04:57 | Science and scripture alignment | | 09:43 | Faith, responsibility, and "currency for miracles" | | 10:49 | Testimony: cancer healing with diet and faith | | 12:11 | Raising a Biblical family: diet, farming, education | | 14:11 | Bible-based diet and depression | | 16:34 | Food principles: "Eat what God created" | | 39:27 | Bread: from Biblical staple to modern villain discussion | | 48:36 | A1 vs. A2 dairy; the “Devil in the Milk” | | 54:24 | Regenerative agriculture practices on Jordan’s farm | | 57:16 | Red meat as superfood: myths and Biblical precedents | | 67:31 | Role of plants, healing leaves, and plant toxins | | 73:10 | Seed oils and the "deadly dozen" foods to avoid | | 78:06 | The ideal "medicine cabinet" | | 85:12 | Conventional vs. natural medicine; faith in crisis | | 87:49 | 40-day healing journey from cancer in detail | | 94:08 | Book launch, social media, and movement expansion | | 96:04 | Jordan's top three remedies to heal culture |

Notable Quotes

• Jordan Rubin:

  • “God’s word brings healing physically, mentally, spiritually, and emotionally.” (05:27)
  • “Faith is the currency by which you purchase the miracle God is holding for you in his hand.” (09:43)
  • “If God wanted milk to be pasteurized, he would have put a pasteurization chamber on the udder of a cow, goat or sheep.” (22:04)
  • “Red meat is a superfood. And what I say about the research is they did not separate red meat eaters from fast food, red meat eaters with white bread, ultra processed seed oils and all the other junk.” (57:16)
  • “Eat what God created for food, and eat food in a form that’s healthy for the body.” (16:34)
  • “The poorest people in the most remote nations...have the greatest amounts of healing leaves. There is no barrier here for healing God’s way.” (96:25)

• Alex Clark:

  • “If we are supposed to be doers of the faith...but we're too sick to move and leave our house, we're totally unwell. How are we going to be able to do that?” (07:03)
  • “Well, and the only thing I'll disagree on a little bit is the idea that some people feel like, well, the only thing I can afford is fast food...fast food is so expensive.” (35:13)

Resources & Where to Find More

• Jordan Rubin’s Socials: Recently joined, primary on Instagram [@JordanSrubin] (94:41)
• Heal the Planet Farms: Regenerative farm, open for learning and agritourism (51:51)
• "The Biblio Diet": Book launch on September 16, more info & free Healing Leaves chapter at [thebibliodiet.com] (94:08, 96:53)

Conclusion

Jordan Rubin’s appearance on Culture Apothecary is a passionate, provocative, and often personal journey through the intersection of faith, food, and radical healing. Calling listeners to reconsider both what they eat and why—according to ancient wisdom and modern science—he invites a return to “God’s design” for eating and living, with recipes, research, and bold testimony. Whether skeptical or seeking, listeners are sure to come away with plenty to chew on—physically, spiritually, and intellectually.

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