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The Dangers of Medical Marijuana + Hair Loss & Migraines | Dr. Charlie Fagenholz, DC
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Alex Clark
Can you share anything about vaping toxic.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Chemicals directly into your lungs, destroying your lung barrier, depleting your glutathione lung, enlarged intestine are brother sister in Chinese medicine. So anything that affects the lungs affects your gut. So it's going to destroy your digestive tract.
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Alex Clark
Walk us through the benefits of red light therapy.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
It's giving our body and our mitochondria ATP production, energy production. I personally think that light therapy like red infrared light laser is the biggest future of medicine.
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Alex Clark
I love when I have a guest that I can ask 100 random medical questions to and they just know the answer to to all of them. Dr. Charlie Fagenholz is the co host of Red Pillar Healthcast and a holistic physician trained in chiropractic frequency and functional medicine. For the past 12 years, Dr. Charlie has transformed thousands of lives through his holistic approach to wellness grounded in chiropractic, Chinese functional and frequency medicine. We talk about everything today from the scary reality of vaping and its possible ties to colon cancer rising in young people under 30 to the real causes of chronic migraines, acid reflux if every tongue tie needs to be released, how to reverse thinning hair, how many times a day we need to poop, and his favorite flu protocol. This episode is made possible with donations from listeners like you who believe in our mission to heal a sick culture physically, mentally and spiritually. Give a tax deductible donation through the link in the description or do me a favor and pause the show and leave a five star review right now for free. You can watch the video version of the podcast on the real Alex Clark YouTube channel or culture Apothecary on Spotify. Check out our brand new set. Please welcome Dr. Charlie Fagenholz to Culture Apothecary. You thought you wanted to be a pharmacist, you shadowed one. And then you were like, hell no. And then you shadowed your chiropractor and were like, this is it. This is the move.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, actually after a pharmacist, I shadowed a podiatrist first and I tried to try to shadow people who I had experience with in high school and growing up. And so I was on a lot of medications and so pharmacy was like what I thought. And then I job shadowed and I was like, man, I in two minutes. And I'm like, how could someone ever do this?
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Alex Clark
Why? What was it about it?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
I need interaction with someone. You know, it's like you're counting pills, you're. It's just boring.
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Alex Clark
Okay?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
You know, it's just a Boring. Just. I just couldn't see myself doing that for a long time.
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Alex Clark
And what did you notice when you were shadowing the chiropractor?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
First doctor I shadowed that. People walked in feeling crummy and left feeling great.
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Alex Clark
Really?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah.
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Alex Clark
First one, what do you think about people that just say, you know, chiropractic, it's just back cracking.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
That's a deeper answer than just like a elevator speech on that. And I would say that chiropractic was never made to just adjust the spine. We kind of think of chiropractors as almost like in the physical therapy world these days, right? You have muscle pain, you have joint pain and all that type of stuff. You get adjusted and it can be very much like physical therapy, which is what they're usually set up as. But the founder of chiropractic, Dee Dee Palmer, did it because he knew that there was an innate intelligence, the power that made the body, heals the body. And so he actually was a magnetic healer first. And they wanted him to go to med school. They wanted to be a medical doctor. And he said, I don't think this is the way. The way that this society is going is wrong. And so the first group of chiropractors were medical doctors. He took people from the med schools and brought them over. And. And basically what he was saying was that the power of the mid body heals the body. And if you basically give the spine no interference, then the neurology, the balance of the body, works more efficiently. What we can explain now is that you're essentially cleaning the nervous system. You know, your spine, you need motion. And on your spinal cord is protected by your spinal column, right? And when you adjust that, it feels good. You hear the air escape. That's the crack. And it feels great. But the thing is, there's little tiny muscles on each side of the spinal column that signal to the brain that, oh, now the spine is moving in motion. And now we have proper neurology flow.
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Alex Clark
It's moving emotion.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
No, moving in motion.
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Alex Clark
Oh, okay.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
But it could move emotion. Okay, we can get to that conversation.
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Alex Clark
Well, and some people do cry after an adjustment and stuff, because your emotions.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Are held in your physiology. They're in your neurology and your physiology.
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Alex Clark
See, this is what's fun to me. When I go to a chiropractor, I get asked so many more questions about things that are going on with my life, physically, emotionally, mentally. I mean, really getting deep into it. If I go to my, you know, conventional care doctor, there is nothing, anything bothering you. Okay, well, you know, we'll prescribe Lexapro for this. I mean, that's basically what happens. There are no questions like that.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
A lot of Cairos, and I say a lot because in every profession, you know, there's going to be some really good ones and really bad ones, and that's across the board for anything. But a really good one really knows that everything affects everything. And so if you're affecting the chemistry of the body, you're going to affect the physical and the emotional. If you affect the physical, you're going to affect the emotional and chemical. And it's just the triad of health. And so the more questions you can ask, the better you understand the patient. Then you can really get a good treatment plan and what the person needs.
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Alex Clark
If we were to save conventional medicine just for emergencies.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Don't tease me like that.
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Alex Clark
And use natural medicine for everything else, how would we see society improve?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Amazingly, you know, I don't think that people know what it's like to feel well, wow. I remember the first treatment I ever had from Frequency Functional Medicine, and I felt so good that I. It was like a light. I have the chills when I say it because it was like a light bulb went off of like, you know, I don't know. Is it Mark Twain who said like the most. Two most important days of your life, the day you're born, the day you find out why. I think it was Mark Twain or someone very.
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Alex Clark
Someone smart.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Someone smart and an author like that. But that was it. And. And I felt so good that I'm like, this is what the people would pay for this time and time again. Obviously at that point, I'm young, 20s, I'm thinking of, I need to get out of debt. You know, I have hundreds of thousand dollars of debt, so what would people pay for? How can I bring value? And that I felt so good that that was the day that I decided, this is what I'm going to dedicate my life to.
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Alex Clark
And were you kind of a sick kid?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, if you knew me from the outside, you'd be like, nope, like healthy. You know, I was a good athlete and all that type of stuff, but I had every cold that went around. You know, I had, you know, three to four science infections a year. I had walking pneumonia twice. Kept me out of school for a month at a time. Oh my gosh, I had just weird stuff like high fevers, high high fevers, gut pain monthly, like, things like that where you'd still be seeing me out and about. And I was playing Basketball and volleyball and hanging out with friends and. And, you know, riding bikes to everyone and all that. But it sucked. I mean, it wasn't fun. Obviously. I always say that everyone in this, in this realm always has to experience something to understand, like how powerful frequency function medicine is. Because if you had it as a kid, your whole life would have been completely different.
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Alex Clark
What is functional frequency medicine?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
So functional medicine is what most people are familiar with, which is like, when. When you look at, like, blood work, you look at lab ranges. It's more of a functional question. Blood work compares you to the sickest of the sick. Right. And so if you're in certain ranges, they're comparing you to people who are sick. And so you, like, you still will have normal blood work, but you won't feel well. And so now functional medicine looks at more as a functional range of like, all right, say your white blood cell count, which is immune system, say it's supposed to be between 3 and 11. Well, that's a lot. That's a wide range. Now, functional medicine would say somewhere between five and eight. So if you're above an eight, no good, and if you're below a five, no good. But according to western medicine, you're okay. And that's why people are like, man, I don't feel well, but my blood work is normal. How many times have we heard that?
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Alex Clark
A million?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Everyone. It's everybody. And so that's functional medicine. Now, frequency medicine is really understanding the body and that everything vibrates at certain frequencies. And because that is, you can use tools and different diagnostic techniques to see what frequencies are going on in the body and what's off. And when you have that, you're asking such a deep question in the neurology of a patient that a lot of times when people experience that, they're like, whoa, this is unlike anything else I've ever seen. And so when you can combine the two of the question asking of functional medicine and the knowledge of functional medicine, then you can practice frequency medicine and look into emotional states, infections, food sensitivities in real time, like all that type of stuff.
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Alex Clark
Food sensitivities in real time, like what.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
They'Re reacting to versus what they can adapt to.
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Alex Clark
Oh, I'm interested in this because there are some things that are popping up on my. This igg. Ige, whatever those tests are. And I'm like, okay, is this something I can kind of move back into my life or something I have to avoid forever? So that's interesting.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Ige is like a purine allergy. Igg is a little more of a sensitivity. It's still an allergy, but not nearly as intense as an IGE reaction. And so a lot of times, if you do the right thing by healing the gut, healing the barrier systems like the gut, the lungs, the brain of the body, and then you eliminate food, so the body can kind of, you know, heal and balance, and you can reintroduce them at a later time and do totally fine with them.
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Alex Clark
Oh, great. Okay. Well, that's some good news.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Now, don't think that, you know, you're, like, looking at, oh, well, I can do that. You know, sugar and all the toxins, you know, everyone wants to do that too. They're like, well, if I just give up sugar for 30 days and I can go back to it.
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Alex Clark
No, for me, the thing is, is my test came back with stupid stuff that didn't even make any sense. Like, honestly, every food that they recommend for Hashimoto, which is what I have cinnamon, garlic. But what was weird is, like, these are just ingredients that I use every day. And so I've been very suspicious and skeptical. I'm like, I think I have leaky gut, and this stuff is just escaping. There is no way I don't feel bad. Whatever. Now, there were some things on that list that once I eliminated them for a couple months and tried to reintroduce them, it was like, immediately throw up or something, like. And I was like, okay, I have an actual problem with this food. And now I've just avoided it like the plague. And I felt a lot better. But some of them, I'm like, I do not feel bad at all. What's also interesting is I don't feel bad when I eat gluten if I have sourdough bread. I actually love how I feel when I'm eating bread. I think I just need carbs.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Is it an emotional attachment to it?
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Alex Clark
I don't know. And you're so big on this emotion thing, which is so not me. I never want to get into any of that.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
And bingo.
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Alex Clark
Yeah. Yeah. See? So I like that you challenge me on that. But I don't feel bad when I eat bread. But I. That gluten is forever I have to avoid.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah. I mean, if you have autoimmune, I say no gluten. I mean, it's the top three I would say for autoimmune is gluten, dairy, and nightshade. Those are really three big ones. Now, I know that you're a big raw dairy person, which is a thousand million Times better than pasteurized dairy.
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Alex Clark
Why?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Well, because it's living. It's like, it's, you know, it's protein sort like I totally get all the good components of dairy, but it can be inflammatory food, especially if there's an autoimmune issue.
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Alex Clark
Well, that's the interview I love having people on that have a little slight different perspective because then, you know, everybody can't accuse me of like. Well, you only share one side. That's not true. See, Dr. Charlie is not a huge raw milk or milk in general person. Dairy in general, not a big dairy person. What subjects would you say that you're getting asked the most about right now?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Mycoplasma pneumonia.
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Alex Clark
Why is that, like, going around?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, kids are getting it left and right.
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Alex Clark
What's going on with the pneumonia?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Well, it's just a bacteria that acts like a parasite and it's, you know, all over the place, essentially. And so a lot of kids in school systems would be exposed and all that. That's what causes walking pneumonia, which is what I had when I was young. Twice.
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Alex Clark
Now that you say this, somebody I know, did their kid just got pneumonia?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah.
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Alex Clark
What's the best practices for that?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
I like herbs. I'm a big herb person. I like lasers. I'm a big laser person as well.
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Alex Clark
So lasers. What do you mean by that?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
It looks like red infrared light. You wouldn't know the difference because it's usually red. And what it's doing is it's telling the brain that something's going on. So it almost like supercharges the brain to get the immune system to fix something.
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Alex Clark
And this is something like a chiropractor will have.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, a lot of them do.
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Alex Clark
Okay.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah. Pt Chiro. A lot of different, like, body worker type modalities will have laser. I personally think that light therapy, like red infrared light laser is the biggest future of medicine.
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Alex Clark
The red light therapy stuff.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Red light, infrared light and laser, for sure.
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Alex Clark
Walk us through the benefits of red light therapy.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
How much time you got?
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Alex Clark
Let's just go in because I don't think. I don't think I've really had anybody explain it yet.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
The whole list of stuff that. That I could say it all boils down to what. One thing that's doing really well is it's giving our body and our mitochondria ATP production, energy production. Like everyone knows mitochondria from like high school, you know, chemistry class or biology class. Right. Mitochondria is what produces our energy of our cells. It's 60% of our cell mass, of every one of our cells. And so if that's not functioning properly, which, when everyone hears of heavy metals infections, you know, they go on Instagram and it's food sensitivity. It's all this. What is all that doing? It's damaging our mitochondria. And so red light supercharges the mitochondria, and then that can allow for every other thing to happen. Everything from healing the gut, healing your brain, healing collagen. You know, it gets good bacteria to grow. It's. It does everything. And from there, it over spills into all the other benefits that they say red light happens. You know, it's better skin, it's better sleep, it's better this, because your mitochondria are healing and your body's actually able to regulate itself.
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Alex Clark
I am fully there with you on the red light therapy. I tell everybody, I think. I think it was Hilda Labrador Gore interviewed me recently, and I'm not sure when that's coming out, but she asked me that question, like, what's your one piece of advice? You know, if you could tell everybody? Try one new thing. I'm like, red light therapy?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, for sure.
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Alex Clark
It's just. It's my favorite thing. And one of the worst, most frustrating symptoms. Symptoms for me with what I have is this almost feels like bugs crawling under my skin around my knees. It's just. I don't know if you say that's joint pain, but almost like my knees are on fire. And like, whether I'm sitting, walking is just. Something feels so uncomfortable under my skin around my knees. And red light therapy has been kind of one of the things that's helped also cryotherapy. What do you think about that?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
I've done it a few times. I've had patients do it. I wasn't a huge fan in the past, and now I'm seeing that I. That people do better and better with it. And I have very sensitive patients, Patients who have been through the ring around a lot of different things. And so something like cryotherapy, that's so cold, that's such a shock to the body. Like, their adrenals, their system sometimes can't handle that. And so I always came at it from that lens. And then I would go more into, like, the biohacking space of people who might not have chronic lyme disease or, you know, chronic mold illness or whatever they have going on. They were doing really well with it. And so I'm like, all right, I'll just try it myself. And when I tried it. I thought that I felt better with it. You know, I tracked my blood sugar when I was doing it and all that and my cortisol, and I'm more of a fan of it now than I was. And I think I was blinded by just the sensitive population that I have as patients.
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Alex Clark
Do you think people with autoimmune issues should do cold plunging?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Depends on the person.
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Alex Clark
Because I'm being told, you know, keep your womb warm. And it's like a Chinese medicine stuff.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
So, like, when you were talking about how your knees ache and you get like this itchy, like, just to talk out loud, like, what my thought process is, because when people are telling me stuff I like, I'm just like in my head going, so knees energetically are adrenal glands. So adrenals are your cortisol and your stress hormone. So my first question would be like, you know, how stressed are you on a daily basis? Or what's your sleep schedule? What's your energy level? Like, so that's knees. But then in Chinese medicine, there's all the points around the knees and elbows are called the hay C points. And those are all related to gut inflammation. All of them. Even if it's not a gut meridian, like you have your heart meridian on your elbow. But if heart three, which is an acupuncture point, shows up as an issue, like, there is gut inflammation because it's a haysi point. The other thing is when there's a crawling sensation, I start going into like, methylation, which is how every process works, kind of similar to, like energy production of the body. And I start thinking of liver pathway drainage, like detox pathway called the salt gene, S, U, L, T. And so now I'm looking. All right, how's your liver, how's your adrenal glands in your endocrine system? And how's your gut?
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Alex Clark
He's like a wizard.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
It's just a lot of observation from treating thousands upon thousands of people in the last 10 years.
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Alex Clark
I love it. This is why your podcast is like one of the best out there. It's so freaking good. It's so fun to talk to you and listen to you. I told him that this is going to be like a rapid fire, random, just Q and A, you know, whatever happens. Okay, one thing that you said a few minutes ago that was interesting to me is talking about how, like, you were sick and you always got sinus infections, colds, Is that not normal? Like, I just thought some people were just more susceptible. They just get colds a lot or whatever. But is that a sign of something?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah. So I love that you said, is that not normal? Because when I first started doing Instagram, the biggest theme that I wanted people to know is that common and normal are not synonyms in medicine. So because something's common does not mean it's normal. And it's common because a lot of people have it, because a lot of people are not living a healthy life. And then all of a sudden, it gets programmed of, oh, that's normal. And then it's like, well, if you do something, like, out of the ordinary, like, hey, I want to go try chiropractic. I want to do acupuncture. I want to eat right. Everyone's like, what? You know, like, they look at you like you have, like, three heads or something. And it's because they're so used to the norm when it's really just common. And. And so that's. That was my first theme. I always want people to know and then bring it back to what sinus infections like first. There's. So there's a few things you have to look at everything structurally, chemically, emotionally.
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Alex Clark
Okay.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
There is nothing that exists. Just one. It always has all of them combined. So sinus infections, structurally could be that your cervical spine is off. Like, you need to be adjusted by a chiropractor, because your atlas, your first cervical vertebra, is very connected to your inner ear and your jaw. And so drainage in that area, lymph flow in that area, and that drains the sinuses. Then from a chemical standpoint, you got to think of, okay, so sinus cavities. There could be fungus mold, which is very common.
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Alex Clark
Like, you're breathing it in your environment.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah. Or it could have been a past exposure, and you lived in it for two years, and all of a sudden, it's cultivated in there. The other one is something called a biofilm, which. A biofilm is basically like a shield that those types of infection use to hide behind, usually bacteria. Like, when people are talking about antibiotic resistance, what those bacteria are doing are building a shield called a biofilm, and the antibiotic cannot break through it. And so that can happen in the sinuses. It happen anywhere. But that's very common in sinus infection problems in, like, sinusitis stuff. Then you got to think about the emotional aspect of it, which is your favorite. And sinus infections are tears. You have not cried out yet.
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Alex Clark
Get out of here with this. Now. See, this is where I'm like, okay, I just. But I'm listening.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
I'M honestly, I hate dealing with emotions. I am not like, I don't look for it. I've had to deal with my own trauma and emotions and work through it. And I appreciate the journey. But I can tell you that and this comes from someone who doesn't even want to work with emotions. The biggest change in people's lives is when you change the neurology and the physiology of emotional trauma for them. Nothing else will come close. I talk about herbs all the time. I don't care how many herbs you take, I don't care what the diet is like. If your emotional trauma is not resolved, there is only so much that can take place. And the one thing that if some people are listening is, yeah, I tried this and it worked great for three weeks and then it didn't work. Or I tried this and it was awesome and then two months later it didn't work.
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Alex Clark
Reminds me of weight loss for sure.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
And think about what weight is. Weight is an energetic. I mean obviously there's, there's poor diet, there's lack of exercise, there's all that type of stuff that goes into it. But what I find emotionally is people build weight to shield them from the world that has hurt them. And this might sound out there for people, but there's gonna be a lot of people listening to this that they're gonna have a lot of aha. Moments of like, damn, that's, that's me.
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Alex Clark
If somebody is struggling with sinus infection and there's all that intense pressure, I mean those quick things that you get at the drugstore that you snored in and then finally the sinus pressures relieve, would you be like, avoid that like the plague. You know the ones that they're like, you can't take this more than three days or it's gonna cook your brain or whatever.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, there you go. That's all you need to hear. Is that, is that so I don't.
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Alex Clark
Know what's going on with those.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
I'm just a very root cause person. So I am not looking for immediate relief. As much as people want those immediate relief. I'm looking for why is this happening in the first place. Let's take care of that. And then from there let's see kind of what, what goes down, so to speak.
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Alex Clark
Okay, let's talk about your baby has a fever really high.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
How high are we talking?
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Alex Clark
Like 103.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Okay. Yeah, I'm fine.
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Alex Clark
So what's the danger temperature for fever? Like OK, they need to time.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
I go 105. Okay, I I start, I would start thinking like 104, really paying attention closer to 105. That's when I go into drugs.
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Alex Clark
And then what would you have them take? You would have them take Tylenol or is there something else?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
The off brands that have no dyes and stuff like that? Yeah, something like that.
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Alex Clark
That's what I take.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
That's what I would go with. I've been lucky enough with my kids to not have to go to that ever. Western medicine is there for a reason. As, as you start off by saying, what if we just use it for trauma? What if we just use it in, in medical emergencies? Like, I'm all for that. Like if, if you. On top of that, if you have a staph infection that is like destroying you, like, go get an antibiotic IV because this is life threatening. Like, I'm not trying to laser you. I mean, I would laser you too.
- [21:58]
Alex Clark
I want you to do some kind of lasering on me if you got it in your bag.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
I have all my technology in my bag for, you know, we're on vacation, my kids, you know, I'm just.
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Alex Clark
Imagine the airport. You see someone with a limp. You know what I mean?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
I, I definitely get my bag check quite often on pre tsa.
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Alex Clark
Oh, I'm sure.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah. They're like, what is this? What is this? I'm like, how much time you got, buddy?
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Alex Clark
You ever feel like health optimization is some sort of puzzle that no one gave you the instructions for? Like, should I test my thyroid, my liver, what about my hormones? I mean, there's like 500 different tests to consider. And of course, to get them done, I'd have to make a bunch of appointments, go to random labs, sit in waiting rooms. Oh, and don't forget about that second opinion that you're going to need after that first app. It, it's. It's exhausting. That's when I found Jevy, and it was like the heavens opened up. Here's the thing. Jevy makes everything easy. They send a phlebotomist to your house to do your blood work. No waiting rooms, no appointments, no extra hassle. And that phlebotomist, by the way, was in and out within, I'm not joking you, maybe six minutes. They test over 90 biomarkers. That is 90. So you're getting the full picture of your health in one go. And then they don't just leave you with the information. And then you have to fend for yourself. You hop on a virtual consultation with a health expert who crafts a Custom plan including supplementation, hormone balancing, anti aging therapies, peptides, whatever, all tailored to you. It's like your healthc care is now a personal concierge service. And best of all, it's all included for just $129 a month. One flat rate, no surprises. So here's the thing about the $129 a month. You're like, what? Why would I keep paying for this $129 a month? Because you do not want to only get tested once. And then you're just like, well, I hope I'm doing well. You need to keep being able to retest every couple months to see how you're and have that health team to be able to walk with you and answer all your questions to make sure you're getting to your best, healthiest self. If you want to skip the wait list and get 20% off your first month, use code alex@govity.com that's go G V-I T I dot com. It's like health optimization without the stress Code Alex. I'm at a brunch with friends and someone brings out those tiny healthy snack boxes, you know, with like three grapes, some nuts, and a sad little piece of cheddar cheese. Probably some bird seed in there. And I'm like, what in the heck? It looks like this came from the back of a refrigerator. I look around, everybody's just nibbling on this like mice, weirdly tiny, sad charcuterie disaster. And I'm just sitting there like, you know what? No, I cannot do this today. I cannot. I am starving. So I literally just pull out a paleo valley beef stick from my bag and immediately I transform into the queen of snacks. All eyes on me, like Tupac. You should have seen their faces. Like they thought that I was eating a gold bar. That is how much better better I felt. And that's how much better these sticks taste. Paleo Valley beef sticks are not your basic sad airport or after school basketball practice snack. Paleo valley beef sticks are made with 100 grass fed grass finished beef. No weird antibiotics, no hormones, none of that grossness. Just happy cows living their best lives on grass and, I don't know, probably doing yoga. I don't really care. But what I do care about is what's in the beef sticks I'm eating. And you know what? These babies are fermented with with probiotics, which means they're actually good for your gut. You know how other snack sticks are all like, look, we've got GMO corn and hydrogenated oils? Yeah. No, thanks. Paleo Valley says we're doing this clean, organic spices, no junk. They don't mess around people. If you want to snack like a legit Queen, head to paleovalley.com Alex and use code Alex for 15 off your first order. That's paleovally.com/alex. Code Alex. Don't eat like you're just surviving. Snack like you're thriving. What is wrong with the way traditional medicine handles people who suffer from chronic migraines?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
They view it as a problem here in the head, and migraines are always from downstream.
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Alex Clark
Wait, what?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, always.
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Alex Clark
What do you mean?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
So your headaches usually come from more of a toxic liver and a toxic gut, generally, because your liver, especially females, can. And females get migraines so much more than males. And what I find clinically in my practice is that it's because the hormone picture of females is so much more delicate than males. And the liver and gallbladder have to break down those hormones and get them into the gut to be eliminated properly. And then you. You know, you eliminate and then you rebuild, and it's this. This balance.
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Alex Clark
So what we're normally doing is aspirin, ibuprofen. What would you be doing?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
I'd be doing probably a herb like schisandra. Schisandra is my favorite. If I had to pick one herb for every female to take, it's schisandra. It's a berry that works on every liver, detox pathway, and balances your stress hormone.
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Alex Clark
Yeah, I take it. I put a little drink together. It's like a little shot glass of all these liquid herbs. It is the. I mean, it is ass.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Gross. Yeah.
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Alex Clark
It is the worst thing I've ever taken, but that stuff helps. And when it's the liquid herb, I mean, is that more bioavailable for your body?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, if you can taste it, it's even. It's better.
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Alex Clark
Okay.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Like, when I first learned muscle testing frequency medicine, they were very adamant about, like, chewing your supplements.
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Alex Clark
Muscle testing?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah.
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Alex Clark
Are the demons gonna come out of the walls?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yep. Almost.
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Alex Clark
What's the controversy with muscle testing? I'm sick of it. I'm sick of it.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
What I say is one. I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything I'm doing me. You either want to learn some of this or you don't. Like, I'm not here to try to convince someone who needs a ton of convincing. Like, there's a lot of people who want to get. Well, if you're one who's trying to get Convinced that muscle testing works or doesn't. I don't have time for that. Like, I. I've set the boundary, I cut the cord. Whatever you want to say about it. It's like, look, this is what changed my life. This is what I do. And if. If all that that you want me to do is convince you that muscle testing is not the devil's work or whatever they want to say. Like, I. I literally have so much going on in my life, I don't have time for that.
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Alex Clark
So what is it and where are people getting this from that it's like a cult.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Muscle testing is neurology at its core. All you're doing is testing can the muscle adapt or can it not? And your muscle is directly connected to your brain because of nerves. And so it's a neurological question is, can your brain and your nervous system adapt to this stressor or can it not? In a nutshell, that is all it is. That is it. It is a tool that I think every doctor should use. I don't care if you're doing herbs and eastern medicine or if you're, you know, in a hospital setting. I'd rather a doctor be muscle testing what antibiotics can get rid of that pneumonia. Personally, I think that even that would shift our whole medical, you know, system for the better, in my opinion. Just because I'm not doing western medicine doesn't mean that I don't think that they should be using muscle testing as well. I think they should. And what's happening is every time that you introduce something into the body and you're going to muscle test, there's things called motor neurons. A neuron is a nerve cell, okay? And motor neurons is what causes us to move. So we have upper motor neurons, lower. That's how we walk and things like that. Now, if you put a stressor up to the body, the body is trying to resist in a muscle test, right? And it's trying to gather motor neurons. And if it can't, if it can't get enough energy because it cannot adapt to that stressor, there's not enough motor neurons. And so now you can't hold strong because you can't overcome and adapt. That's all it is, literally. And so you can test, you know, does vitamin C strengthen somebody? Does vitamin D strengthen somebody? Does this supplement versus this supplement strengthen somebody?
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Alex Clark
So when did the goblins come in? I just don't get it.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
I'm still waiting for it, too.
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Alex Clark
Thank you. Yeah, thank you. I love it. Would you take aspirin or ibuprofen Me.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Personally, I just don't do either.
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Alex Clark
You don't do either?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
I just. Yeah, I just don't. Don't.
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Alex Clark
So, aches, pains.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
If I say ibuprofen, there's going to be a hundred people saying, well, aspirin has this and ibuprofen is toxic for this. And if I say aspirin, then someone's going to say, well, aspirin does this and ibuprofen, it's a lose, lose any way you go with it. Personally, we know what I would do. I would muscle test it.
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Alex Clark
There you go.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
That's what I would do.
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Alex Clark
Okay, fair. I want the truth about pcos. What is causing it? Is birth control the only thing that can give people relief, you know, is PCOS even fixable?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, well, there's different kinds of pcos. There's. There are most of them because some of them don't even need cysts, which is fascinating, but many of them obviously have a ton of cysts on the ovaries and stuff. And I would say that blood sugar balance is the number one and emotional trauma is number two.
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Alex Clark
Emotional trauma for pcos?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah.
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Alex Clark
How so?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Well, it depends. There's so much different types of motion trauma. Is it, you know, friend groups growing up, Was it mom and dad? Is it sibling rivalry? You know, the emotions are so fascinating because in the moment, they can be so significant for us. Like, for instance, say you're like 7 years old and dad took away a toy from you or grounded you in that moment. That's your whole life, so that's all you know. So you will blow that out of proportion. And it is everything in that moment. Your neurology remembers that every emotion secretes something called a neuropeptide, which is a nervous system protein, and that stores in our cells. And so now as you go on in life, say you're, you know, 30 years old and you think back, you're like, oh, you know, why would I care that much about, you know, dad grounding me or taking a toy away because I did something wrong or something like that. And you can logically think your way through that, but subconsciously you still have that neuropeptide that creates this, still this charge in your system. And it's thousands of those building up that then I always say, your immune system follows your emotions. And when you have a ton of that now, there's not enough. There's no balance. And so there's techniques and things you can do to break those neuropeptides, and that's what we talk about with net EFT tapping, hypnotherapy, there's a lot of physiological corrections. It's more than just talk therapy. And bring it back to PCOS is, you know, little things like that is ovaries and testes are very private organs, right? They're very much like a primal. You know, people will get into, I'm sure your audience will love this, but like chakra systems and stuff like that of like your root chakra, it's like what grounds you, it's what roots you to the ground. And, and that's your family too. And so, you know, a lot of those organs are very emotional related. And with pcos that there's that, but then there's also the blood sugar component. And when your blood sugar is unstable, your testosterone is also unstable. With the menstrual cycle you have, right, your luteal, your follicular and luteal phases, which is when estrogen goes up and then comes down and then progesterone stays down and then goes up. And you're supposed to have this balance. Well, in females, testosterone is supposed to stay even, but with blood sugar imbalances and pcos, your testosterone jumps and that's why it messes up your cycle. So then it's very hard to get pregnant and stay pregnant with pcos. And so if you can regulate your emotional stress, which then changes your cortisol and your stress hormone and you can balance your blood sugar, a lot of magic can happen.
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Alex Clark
Why do people say birth control is really the only solution? And why is that wrong?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
I don't know why people say that it's only solution. Probably because it's again the common versus the normal. I'm really against the fact of like if your hormones are off, throwing in more hormones is not the solution.
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Alex Clark
Okay.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
And you have to figure out why your hormones off. Because the saying is like, we don't grow out of things, we grow into new diagnoses. And what I mean by that is more of a perfect example of that is like when children start having, you know, whatever toe walking or ADD say they have like add and all of a sudden they're like, oh, maybe they'll just grow out of it. They don't grow out of it. They just grow into new issues as they age and their system is changing. So ADD can turn more into depression and anxiety. But as a kid they were ADD with no depression, but now they have depression and it's the same root cause, but it wasn't dealt with properly. They May have thrown medications at it and it solved it. Right. But then as they go, then the root cause hasn't been dealt with and now they grow into a new diagnosis like depression. Same thing with birth control. It's like it might help in the short term, but then you are not changing your gut, you're not changing your liver, you're not changing your diet, your exercise, you're not changing your emotional state. So you're just going to grow into other issues. And now you know, that hormone imbalance could have turned into again depression, anxiety. And now you go from birth control onto antidepressants. Now you're polypharmacy. And polypharmacy is very tough to get out of. Polypharmacy is like a ton of pharmaceuticals if you're on like five meds.
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Alex Clark
So birth control, really for women, I mean, that's kind of the gateway drug to this treadmill of pharmaceutical intervention for the rest of your life.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
It might be, yeah. If the root cause of that is a similar root cause to what's going to get you into those other diagnoses.
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Alex Clark
Is it a red flag for people to say I'm never hungry in the morning?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah.
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Alex Clark
What does that mean?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
That means you run on stress hormone.
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Alex Clark
Stop. No way. So like cortisol levels super high.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, it's too high. So cortisol is our stress hormone and it's on a teeter totter with estrogen and insulin. So I keep saying insulin and blood sugar because it is so dang important. Like if there was two things I can do do for anybody, it's release your emotional trauma and balance your blood sugar. If you do those two things, I think you can change your life. Around 80.
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Alex Clark
How do you balance blood sugar?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Well, diet is a huge one. Obviously protein and fat you want, but at the same time, as I just said, like cortisol is on a teeter totter with it. So imagine if you are doing all like keto and paleo and you're doing all the stuff that is getting good amount of protein like you want, want 1 ounce of protein per pound of body weight per day. So if you weigh 150 pounds, you need 150 ounces of protein A day. That's a good rule of thumb. If you're like a pro athlete and you're like really working out, you need more. If you're sedentary, you probably don't need to go much more than that. Now say you have all that down dialed in. You're like, man, I'm doing Everything to a T. I'm counting everything. And my blood sugar is still off. It's because cortisol is still off. You have to balance that because what cortisol does is it raises blood sugar, and then that raise makes your body release more insulin to buffer it. But cortisol raises whenever there's stress to the body. So it could be structural, chemical, or emotional. I'm really big on infections. I always say that our body is one big microbiome covered by skin. Like our bugs in our gut. We have bugs everywhere. I also say that I think in the next 50 years, we're gonna be talking about the floras of all of our organs. Like, the heart has its own bacterial flora, the Bl. Bladder, the liver, like. And I. I think that they'll figure out that there's different species of bacteria. This is just what I think. I mean, I. I don't know. I could be wrong. That's the reason why cortisol has to be balanced is because insulin has to buffer it. And so that is a big deal.
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Alex Clark
We're told that the gallbladder is like one of the most useless organs. Doesn't even matter. They take it out. So what, you actually believe it's one of the most important and that y. If you are told that you have gallbladder issues, it should really stop you in your tracks.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah.
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Alex Clark
What is so important about this organ?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Well, a lot of people look at it. It's just like this little sack that holds bile, right? And bile. The liver makes bile. And that's how we digest fats. Essentially, it's like a. A laundry detergent. It emulsifies fats. Now it holds the bile and then it secretes into the small intestine. And that's when. When the food comes from the stomach into the small intestine. The bile now helps digest fats, but bile also kills bacteria and parasites, stuff like that. So it's very antimicrobial. And the issue is that this is a big deal. Like, this is one that is a very. People need to understand this is. Bile is alkaline, right? Alkaline means, you know, it has a high ph. Stomach acid is acid. It's acidic. It's very low ph. And our stomach is very. Supposed to be very acidic. And we can get into acid reflux because this is what is causing acid reflux for most people. And you need to have an acidic stomach to digest protein, or else protein does not get digested. It cannot be digested in an alkaline environment. So your stomach Needs to be acidic. Now, the stomach then digests what it needs to digest, and it puts it into the small intestine. And the small intestine has to be alkaline. Okay, so what buffers that stomach acid is the alkaline bile. And now if your gallbladder is like sludgy and congested and not releasing bile properly, the stomach will turn down its stomach acid production because it knows that it's going to burn the small intestine because there's no buffer of alkaline bile.
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Alex Clark
And so that's how you get acid reflux.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
And so now you won't digest your food. It'll sit there. And what happens is, imagine if you eat all this food and there's not enough acid. The food sits there, ferments, putrefies, and then lactic acid gets released, and that's what you feel, acid reflux coming up. It's not stomach acid. And so now people are put on proton pump inhibitors to stop the stomach acid when it's really not.
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Alex Clark
Okay, so what's causing gallbladders to be congested?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
In my opinion, too much estrogen, like estrogen dominance. Right. You have all the plastics, the pesticides and things like that from the environment. Fungus. Fungus is huge. Mold, fungus, yeast, Candida, people call, you know, certain strands of it. That is very much clogs the gallbladder. Parasites clog the gallbladder. Like little liver flukes will clog the gallbladder. And then emotionally is anger and resentment. And I personally, this is not in literature or, you know, people are going to be like, where's the studies on this? I find that gallbladder has a lot of father issues.
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Alex Clark
Father issues for gallbladder.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
And I'm talking about, like, if someone has gallstones and they've had to go to the hospital, like, intense gallbladder. Ask any of them, how is your relationship with your father guaranteed?
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Alex Clark
And this is just. And you're saying this because this is what you've seen in your patient population?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah. One thing that's very, very important to discern is like, I am not a researcher, I'm a clinician. And so when you go on Instagram, which is a big reason why I never wanted to do it in the first place, and you get all these influencers who don't see patients are not in the trenches, as I call it. And they're reading the research and they're talking about the research. And then I try it clinically and it doesn't work. And then I say that this is What I find, everyone's like, well, where's the research? Like, well, I'm not a researcher, I'm a clinician. I'm telling you what I'm finding treating everyday patients. And these are the patterns I see. And take it or leave it.
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Alex Clark
What are some of the most overlooked causes of miscarriages?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Blood sugar imbalances, infections. Infections like candida parasites, things like that. You just kind of hit on it. Gallbladder. And the reason why I say that is because to have a good pregnancy, you'd have to be able to digest fats properly to have an essential fatty acid balance. And that really, really goes a long way when it comes to fertility.
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Alex Clark
Could there also be a vitamin A deficiency component to miscarriages?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Well, what's vitamin A? It's a fat soluble vitamin.
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Alex Clark
Ah, look at this, look at this. It's all coming together.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
So that, that's a, that's a great, I'm glad that you said that because now here's the difference between frequency and functional medicine.
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Alex Clark
Okay?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Functional medicine for the most part would be like, oh, you have a vitamin A deficiency. Give more vitamin A. Right. Frequency medicine would be like, well, how's the stomach function? Is it, is it messing up the gallbladder? How's the gallbladder function? Can they digest fat soluble vitamins like A, D, E and K? And so is that, do they have low vitamin D because they're not in the sun enough or because they can't absorb any vitamin D? Because they don't absorb fat soluble vitamins, you know, so it's like, it's a deeper question, but when you combine the two, it's magic.
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Alex Clark
Is it possible to reverse thinning hair in your 20s?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yes. Number one thing to do is go after histamine. So histamine will thin hair quite a bit. And obviously you have to have enough protein and stomach and gallbladder function to digest protein, because hair, skin and nails are protein and fats. So you have to have good digestion. That's like, when I'm talking about histamine digestion has to be like, that is just, I'm already assuming you know that. And I shouldn't assume that. But like that's kind of what I, what I think. And, and then from there is histamine, which is what is what people would equate allergies to is histamine response. And so histamine also thin hair. So you gotta find out what is causing too much histamine in your body, in your practice.
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Alex Clark
What have you seen some of those.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Examples look like food sensitivities, emotional stress, parasites, pesticides, estrogen, too much cortisol, pesticides and fungal mold will cause it too.
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Alex Clark
Why do you think that acupuncture could be a great solution for eczema?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Because acupuncture not only works on the organs that are affected by whatever toxins is causing the eczema, but acupuncture gets your blood flowing and your lymph moving. So it really helps get nutrients where they need to be and it helps you detox properly.
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Alex Clark
Would acupuncture also be something you would recommend for me?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
For everybody.
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Alex Clark
What about babies?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Acupressure, More for babies.
- [42:55]
Alex Clark
Okay.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
We did. When my oldest was. Had her first cold, she was probably like, I don't even know, months old or whatever. Our acupuncturist put needles into large intestine 20, which is around both side of the nostrils, and needle her. She sat there. So you can go young. But I would say that, you know, babies move and stuff like that. So acupressure, which is basically just massaging the acupuncture points, something like that. It will be better for that age.
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Alex Clark
What do SSRIs deplete the body of everything?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
B vitamins, CoQ10. Like, this is the overarching theme. Medications force the body to do something that the body doesn't want to do. And so that will cause the body to go into depletion because it's going to stress the liver, it's going to stress the gut. Now you can't absorb things, so it can be usually B vitamins. It could be vitamin C, CoQ10. It could be essential fatty acids. Yeah. And that can go for other things like, you know, cholesterol meds and things like that, too.
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Alex Clark
Getting off of SSRIs is one of the most dangerous things. It's a very serious process. It takes. Takes a long time. You have to be very strategic about it. What is some advice you have for people that are wanting to get off? Like, how should they be supporting their body?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Do as much as you can to reduce the inflammation in the body. So exercise, like. And this is back to research, Right. I always do, like, do the quotes of research just because research is great, but it also drives me nuts. First. It takes like 17 years before something's actually like in research and published and all that. And like, that's 17 years too late, in my opinion. And so they'll try to find things in research and. And it's just they don't really look at all the you know, the proper, they don't ask the proper questions in research. In my opinion, when it comes to doing that, you, you want to get the inflammation down. But back to what I was saying is in the research, the main thing that is an antidepressant is exercise. That's like the only thing that has like really shown to really help with anxiety, depression. And so you gotta be exercise, you gotta be moving. The human body is made to eat nutritious foods, think healthy thoughts and movement. Like we are a movement based species. If you don't use it, you lose it kind of thing. A lot of people will say that because they care about their like outward appearance of, you know, like muscle and all that type of stuff. But your brain needs movement, needs your brain. 100. Okay, 100. If you have anxiety, depression, change your diet to like a paleo ketogenic, high protein fat, lower carbs, exercise daily meditate or prayer, whatever you want to get into in journaling, like mindful practices and. Get in the sun.
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Alex Clark
Yeah, I was going to say sun.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, get in the sun. And we talked about red infrared light. And one of the things that I always say about sun too, it's people fear the sun, right? A lot of people fear the sun. But when the sun is rising and when it's setting is when it's giving off red infrared light.
- [45:52]
Alex Clark
Okay. And I didn't know that. I mean, I knew that being in, you know, going out at sunrise, being out at sunset, those are all very important things. Okay. That's why.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
And obviously when the sun is rising and setting, like when your retina hits sunlight, it's your circadian rhythms too. Like, and circadian rhythms really balance your sleep cycles and your wake cycles. And like light, like I said, light therapy, like is the future of everything. And like the sun is that I.
- [46:18]
Alex Clark
Call it having an optimal light diet.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. So if you have, if you're trying to get off SSRIs and things like that, make sure you're doing those. Those have to be in place. Don't look for another supplement, don't look for this or that. Like, make sure the lifestyle is there. And then add supplements because supplements are supplemental to a healthy lifestyle.
- [46:39]
Alex Clark
And what supplements would be great for.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Getting off SSRIs that goes down to frequency medicine of like, what are people, what's that individual have? Do they have small intestine bacterial overgrowth and, or do they have fungus overgrowth or parasites? Like that might look different than someone who might have, have more of like A hormone imbalance that is due to a pesticide exposure. So now they have to do more pesticide work. In general, I would say fish oil, vitamin D, some vitamin C. You know, just the basics of that is, you know, anti inflammatory. We talk about turmeric and resveratrol, very good. Anti inflammatories, glutathione or master antioxidants, really good. Those are the basics.
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Alex Clark
Same question. But people wanting to get off hormonal birth control.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Make sure your liver pathways are open. I love Schisandra again. I talked about artichoke extract a year ago on social media and that kind of blew up of like thinking I was like the artichoke guy. But I just like brought one supplement to people's awareness. And all artichoke does is help the gallbladder work more efficiently. And what was everyone doing getting pregnant? They're all getting pregnant from artichoke. Well, from their husbands, obviously, but from artichoke. People were sending me testimonials left and right saying, like, I've tried for five years. I did a month of two supplements you talked about and I got pregnant.
- [48:00]
Alex Clark
Stop.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
And the one of the big one was artichoke because artichoke balances blood sugar and it helps the bile and gallbladder work more efficiently. So now you are getting the body to do what it needs to do and people are getting pregnant.
- [48:16]
Alex Clark
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- [51:11]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
So autoimmunity, they'll say, is your body attacking itself. And I have a hard time with that because that implies that your body's making a mistake, and the body just doesn't make mistakes. And if it appears to be doing so, there's a reason for that. And so I think autoimmune is emotional trauma and a bunch of toxins that are stored in your system. It can be heavy metals, it can be infections, and your body is going after that toxin. Your immune system is trying to fight them off, because that's what your immune system is, survival. It's either it's all or none. So it's like, look, you got viruses in your system. We're going to attack the viruses. And if the viruses are in your tissues, like your thyroid, maybe that looks like Hashimoto's, or if it's, you know, if it's in your joints, maybe that's rheumatoid arthritis. And so I think your body is protecting itself and your tissues are being caught in the crossfire.
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Alex Clark
What are some of the best ways to lower inflammation?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Find out what's causing it. It's tough. This is another reason why, like, it was hard for me to do Instagram and social media at first is because when, when you're using this medicine, it's so bio individualized like it is. Like everyone is different. But then I started doing my membership, I started doing a lot of that and I had to give people the knowledge. But I couldn't just give the knowledge without solutions because then I'd get a million questions of, okay, so what do you do? And so what I talk about on socials and membership is what I've seen help most people. And so I did like a symptom quiz in the membership to try to make that. Like, here's the top three videos I would start with. And it actually became pretty accurate because I would test it on my patients versus what I'd find on them, which is kind of cool. But I severely encourage people to find a functional frequency med practitioner. If not, I mean, you can guess what, you know, the best things to do to lower information. And it's, it's the same thing that we talked about. Balanced blood sugar, exercise, sunlight, maybe taking some Schisandra to help your liver pathways.
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Alex Clark
Should men take Chisandra too, for.
- [53:07]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
It's great. Yeah, it's great.
- [53:08]
Alex Clark
Question for you about the, all the different tests. You know, we hear about hormone tests and gut microbiome and blood and IgG and allergy and all this stuff.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah.
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Alex Clark
If you had to rank these of importance, you know, most important, everybody should get this test versus least. Like, you know, all of them are good. But like, this is how I would prioritize. Could you do that for us?
- [53:29]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
It's like my mind wants to say a gut microbiome test, but I've seen those be inaccurate so many dang times that my heart's like, don't say that one honestly. And this is when I first started taking functional medicine. I had A really good teacher. And again, it chills because there's significant moments in my life that really shaped how I think and how I have treated patients for 10 years. And he is a brilliant functional med person, knows all the blood work back and forth, like amazing in that realm. And I'll never forget, he said when I was learning from him the first time I, I took his class, he goes, don't overestimate how much information you can get from, from legitly reading a cbc, a cmp, a thyroid panel and vitamin D and A. A CBC is a complete blood count, CMP is complete metabolic profile. That's the basic blood work that you usually get when you go to like a general practitioner, right? That's like your white blood cell count, your iron levels, your hemoglobin, your sodium, your creatinine. Like all the stuff that you're usually seeing is a CBC and a cmp.
- [54:33]
Alex Clark
Okay.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
And then a full thyroid panel. Full thyroid panel.
- [54:36]
Alex Clark
And tell us again what that is.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, not just TSH, you need T3, free T3, T4 free T4, reverse T3, T3 reuptake, and all your antibodies, TPO and thyroglobulin. Because if you do just TSH, TSH comes from the thigh or from the pituitary. So you, you're making a guess that your thyroid's off. But TSH is, is, you know, thyroid stimulating hormone that comes from the pituitary gland. So that's just a pituitary marker. Now you got to look at what's, what's T4, what's T3? Is there autoimmune? Like, so many people are walking around with autoimmune that do not know they even have it. It's unbelievable.
- [55:12]
Alex Clark
That was me until almost exactly a year ago.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
A year ago. How old are you?
- [55:17]
Alex Clark
31.
- [55:17]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
30 years of your life. You walked around, you had no idea.
- [55:20]
Alex Clark
Well, when does this usually pop up?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
I mean, depends on the person. Okay, it depends on the person.
- [55:25]
Alex Clark
Are some people with autoimmune issues just destined like they are going to have to be on some kind of thyroid medication? Or do you think it's possible, like you do not. You can get off of it or.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Hyper is a lot less common and it's a lot more intense. Hypo, very common. And the thyroid first gotta rule out autoimmunity. Like, if anyone has hypothyroid, I'm like, did you get your antibodies checked? They're like, no. I'm like, we're starting there. Like, that's number one. First Thing low thyroid. I always say that thyroid takes the beating for what all. What else is happening downstream. Your liver, your gut, your kidneys. And so it could be a low thyroid, but you could, you know, take thyroid meds, or you can take herbs like bacopa or vitamin C, which helps. Vitamin C for the research people are what helps your thyroid hormone work more efficiently in your cells. But vitamin C is used to make cortisol. So if you have too much cortisol and stress, you're depleting your vitamin C. So isn't it. Is it a thyroid issue or is it an adrenal cortisol issue?
- [56:23]
Alex Clark
Wow.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Back to frequency medicine. If you get the liver working, you get the emotion stable, you get the gut microbiome better and all that stuff, I think that you won't need thyroid meds. Now if you are. If someone's on 10 pharmaceuticals, they're a polypharmacy, and they come in and they're like, hey, can I get off my thyroid med? I'm like, I would not, because your body will crash. We need to work. It's going to take time. That's another thing that people, when they come over to frequency functional medicine is they're like, so when. When am I going to get better by? Health is not a destination, it's a journey. And so everyone's looking for this. Like, how can I get to this place where I can live my life and go back to eating crappy and doing all the stuff that I love to do do. When can I get to that place? I'm like, never.
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Alex Clark
Yeah, never.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
It's a journey, you know, and so depending on where you're at in your journey, like, if you're very new to this, you're not on any medications, your thyroid shows low, but you haven't worked on your liver and your stress and your gut. Like, yeah, I think start there and then see if you need meds down the road and see if it's. If it's autoimmune in nature. Like, you need to ask these questions and do the basics before you jump right to pharmaceuticals. And then on the flip side, if someone comes in there on, you know, 15 pharmaceuticals, I'm probably not going to take them off their thyroid med because that's probably keeping them alive.
- [57:39]
Alex Clark
Geez.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, that's kind of morbid. But, you know, you get the, you know, it's. It's keeping them going.
- [57:44]
Alex Clark
Radicalize us on diabetes diet first and foremost.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
But I find that diabetes, like type 2, is not only diet and nutrition. It's the seed oils, everything that, you know, the Make America Healthy movement is preaching, but it's also pesticides and glyphosate and electromagnetic frequencies and EMFS and. And society.
- [58:11]
Alex Clark
You think type 2 diabetes has ties to EMFS?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
100.
- [58:15]
Alex Clark
Please elaborate.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah. That's fascinating, because kind of what you and I talked about was cortisol and insulin are on a teeter totter.
- [58:22]
Alex Clark
Wow.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
So EMF is a constant distress signal signal. And so you're constantly secreting a little bit of cortisol. Constantly. And what has to buffer that insulin? So over time, you get insulin resistance because you're pumping out too much. And so if you look at the graph of, like, diabetes, the number one that actually is, like, linear with it is the use of pesticides. It's not food and sugar. The food and sugar change in, like, the 70s and 80s. But then you kind of see, like, diabetes should be increasing more, depending, because we've, like, introduced more sugar a little bit since then. But the only thing that it actually mirrors 100% is glyphosate and pesticide use. And so then that's. That's the literature. That's the research, which I agree with that one. But then you have. You have to look at what's a constant distress signal that is burdening our cortisol. Because cortisol raises blood sugar. Insulin has to buffer it. So anything that does that is going to contribute to type 2 diabetes. And EMF is the only thing in our environment that is constant, constant distress signal. Our microbiome reacts to it. Fungus grows 600 times faster in the presence of it. And mold. It's intense. It's intense. And I always say that whenever we improve our society. Right. We introduce 5G, 6G, 7G, you know, whatever foods people want to introduce, we always have to ask, at what cost to our health?
- [59:43]
Alex Clark
All right. Is your family turning the WI fi off at night?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Every night. Night. We're in the process of buying a home, and we've just walked away from two different homes. First one is because of the EMF in the neighborhood.
- [59:52]
Alex Clark
How do you figure that out?
- [59:53]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
I have a really good electrician who's an EMF expert in Nashville.
- [59:57]
Alex Clark
Cool.
- [59:57]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
And I have meters, like, very basic stuff, but he's like, next level. Like, took four and a half hours to do the test.
- [60:03]
Alex Clark
So you're going to hardwire all your Internet and all that. Okay.
- [60:06]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Or hype or hybrid it with fiber.
- [60:08]
Alex Clark
Okay.
- [60:08]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Fibers like copper wire. It's a little better.
- [60:10]
Alex Clark
If somebody is dealing with chronically enlarged Tonsils, and they're being advised to remove them. Why should they reconsider better?
- [60:16]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Because your tonsils are an immune organ. So it's. It's telling you that there's an immune system issue. And the immune system issue will lead to other things like mouth breathing. Like, what if there's biofilms and fungus in the sinus and they can't breathe at night? Now they mouth breathe. Now their tonsils enlarge because they're mouth breathing. Do you take the tonsils out or do you fix the sinuses? Right. And so one of my favorite herbs for, like, cleaning out, like, strep and stuff in. In the tonsils is called ooznia. Oozing is a really good liquid tincture. That's a great one. But get adjusted by the chiropractor. Open up that. Right. I was talking about the ear and the jaw and the first cervical vertebra. Get that lymph draining and find out is something affecting the immune system because your tonsils are an immune organ. So is there viruses in the system? Is there parasites, fungus, bacteria? Is it heavy metals? Is it pesticides? This goes back to, like, the frequency testing of what's going on in this individual. Those are all the main players and that. You could have all of them, or you can have one of them. You have a combo of them. So that's where I would start. First and foremost, what's really going on.
- [61:17]
Alex Clark
With arthritis, swollen ankles, swollen fingers.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
A lot of times, infections, viruses in the joints. That's a big one. Especially autoimmune, like ra. A lot of times it's. It's viral, like herpes family viruses, which you say herpes, and everyone's like, oh, sexually transmitted. Like Epstein Barmano is herpes family. Like, there's a lot. Cytomegalo. There's a lot of viruses that are herpes family. And they love joints. They love, love joints, even though it doesn't always have to be autoimmune. But if it is autoimmune, I start thinking more to the immune system aspect of it. Obviously, some people will have, like, they'll be using joints quite a bit, and they'll have arthritis over time. I think that comes down to a lack of, like, essential nutrients like manganese that's depleted from our soil fish oils back to the inflammation piece of it. And arthritis, emotionally, is just anger. Anger and frustration. Wow.
- [62:08]
Alex Clark
Yeah.
- [62:08]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
So there's a liver component, because that's a liver emotion. There's a liver component to arthritis.
- [62:13]
Alex Clark
How do you know if you have Methylation issues.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
I mean, methylation is like, is everything. It's back to, like, mitochondria and ATP production. All methylation is, is you're transferring one carbon and some hydrogen from one place to another. That's like called methylating, essentially. If you, if you, if they're called, it's a methyl group. So you're just transferring carbon and hydrogen. And what that does is kind of like a traffic light. Either gives the green light to go or the red light to stop. And that does everything. It does, producing your hormones, breaking down your hormones, recycling your hormones. It does mitochondrial energy. It's your detox pathways. It makes everything in your body run. It is the traffic lights to our physiology. So I would say that everyone to some degree has methylation issues because everyone is on a health journey. Everyone has some toxin that's changing our methylation. And that goes back to genetics versus epigenetics, like what you inherit versus what expresses. And what expresses is what methylation is off, essentially.
- [63:17]
Alex Clark
So when a whole family.
- [63:19]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah.
- [63:19]
Alex Clark
Is. It's like, man, every woman in my family has gotten breast cancer or whatever. What do you, what do you think is going on with that? If, if cancer is more epigenetics than genetic.
- [63:29]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
I would go back to two things. One is emotional trauma. Generationally, I, I can't stress enough how important emotional trauma is to get rid. To like, to balance it. Because, like, you can't. Can't take away things that, you know, ever happened to you. Like, it's not like the movie Men in Black where you can, like, stare into the thing and erases your memory, but you can get to a point where your body, you don't give power to it. You don't have a charge on it. And that charge is the neuropeptide being released, which is what we talked about. Every emotion creates one in our nervous system, and then that changes the way you respond to the thought process. And when you become more adaptable, you.
- [64:07]
Alex Clark
Thrive with the other component to this. It's like in a family, you guys usually have the same. You know, you're eating the same way because you've been told the same things or you're. I don't know, you, you, you do similar things.
- [64:18]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
That was my number two.
- [64:20]
Alex Clark
So I'm like, something in your environment or something that you're always eating or whatever. You guys are all doing the same thing.
- [64:25]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah. I mean, like, where, where are you living? Are you living in the same city, in town that sprays the same pesticides that.
- [64:31]
Alex Clark
Right.
- [64:31]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
That you can't detox because you have a genetic thing, but it's being expressed through epigenetics, you know, so like I, I never want to put too much into genetics because it all depends on what genes are turned on versus turned off. And that works through methylation.
- [64:46]
Alex Clark
Okay.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
And so I put more energy into that because, I mean, the stats are like 2 to 3% of breast cancer, like, is genetic. You know that. That's 95 plus is not. So like, that's. I'm not a betting man, but those are pretty good odds that you can change your life to not inherit something.
- [65:02]
Alex Clark
Here's something really interesting that you said, said. You said that there are different issues going on with people who brag about being depressed and anxious versus those that suffer from anxiety and depression and then kind of go and hide.
- [65:16]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah. So it's. It's basically serotonin versus dopamine and different amino acids. So like tyrosine and tryptophan. And so you'll see a lot of times that the tyrosine deficient people want to just hide from the world and like be in their basement. Whereas the trip to tryptophan deficient people will want to tell everyone how anxious they are and things like that.
- [65:39]
Alex Clark
I mean, that's all over social media. You know, I'm. I have anxiety, let me vlog my.
- [65:44]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Day or whatever, for sure. And. And sometimes they both coexist, you know, and sometimes it'd be like, well, actually they were. They had a little bit lower tryptophan and they wanted to hide again. It's all individualized. But that's just the main pattern that I've seen clinically.
- [65:58]
Alex Clark
I know somebody who is having out of nowhere tons and tons of seizures and her doctors are telling her, you just have anxiety.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah.
- [66:11]
Alex Clark
I'm like, there is no way that is correct. Yeah. I mean, what's your first instinct with just that information? What are you like, oh, really?
- [66:20]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah.
- [66:20]
Alex Clark
See, I was thinking vaccine injury could be.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, could be. My first thought is parasites and molly, because whenever something. And vaccines is a good one. Because if it happens suddenly, I always ask the question of. Okay, so did you have any surgeries? Did you have a doctor visit? Did you have a medication? Did you have a vaccine? Like, I always ask that question. If it isn't that, then I start thinking, okay, so what can. Anything that happens very suddenly is going to be blood flow or infection. And blood flow, I mean, is like stroke or something like that. I wouldn't think that in a seizure case. I think that more Like a dementia of like, like all of a sudden they were in dementia and then they, you know, then they like evened out. I think maybe there's some strokes, some blood flow issue for like. I've treated kids who have seizures. All of a sudden have seizures. And. And it's usually parasites and pesticide use. Yeah. Some people will say heavy metals and. And I don't disagree with that. But I just find that parasites, because they generate electromagnetic frequencies in our nervous system and can short circuit us a little bit, and then that creates seizure activity. That and blood sugar regulation.
- [67:20]
Alex Clark
Someone in your family gets the flu, how are you treating it differently than a typical practitioner?
- [67:26]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
I use a product called Elysium Supreme. It's star anis or star anise, however you want to pronounce it. That is what Tamiflu is made from. That's what they tried to mimic. And Tamiflu doesn't work, but star anise does. And so I would be taking a high dose of that. It. I don't love the taste of it. My oldest, like, loves the taste of it. It. It's like a. I think it's like a black licorice type taste, which I'm like, not a fan. But anyways, you can open it up, put it on food because it's used as a spice. Like it's used to cook in different countries. So taking that is phenomenal. For the flu, I would do high dose thymus and spleen tissue. It's another product I like immune armor. Those are my top two for flu. And then I would be using essential oil baths too.
- [68:06]
Alex Clark
What kind of essential oils?
- [68:08]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
My top would be one called elite Harmony. It's a 20 mixture of six different oils from the same line. And it just balances all the frequencies of the body.
- [68:17]
Alex Clark
Natural remedies for a cough, thymus and spleen tissue.
- [68:21]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
So immune armor again for me and Reishi. Mushroom.
- [68:24]
Alex Clark
The mushroom thing. Everybody's like obsessed with the mushrooms, right? The hype is real.
- [68:28]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Hype is definitely real. You know, I already said that the future of medicine is like light therapy and stuff. I would say from the chemical standpoint, it's mushrooms.
- [68:36]
Alex Clark
Oh, really? And people are obsessed with mushroom coffee and everything?
- [68:40]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, well, mushroom coffee, because what mushrooms does is help the liver towards toxic caffeine. That's what it does.
- [68:47]
Alex Clark
Okay. Are you anti caffeine?
- [68:48]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah.
- [68:49]
Alex Clark
Oh, gosh, here we go. Here we go. He hates all of our favorite drinks. If you keep getting cold sores, what's the issue?
- [68:57]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Emotions, Emotional stress. Because cold sore is our herpes family virus.
- [69:02]
Alex Clark
Okay.
- [69:02]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
And so there's herbs that I like to do for that, don't get me wrong. But if it keeps happening, there is something. A virus is a distress signal. So there's something putting your body into distress. EMF and motions are my top two.
- [69:14]
Alex Clark
EMF for cold sores?
- [69:16]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, it's a constant distress signal.
- [69:17]
Alex Clark
Are there any natural remedies for morning sickness while pregnant?
- [69:21]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
My top three. I'll give you four. But it's not a home run every time. And with pregnancy, I always say is like you are growing a human. We are fighting an uphill battle when it comes to certain of these things. The best uphill battle you'll ever fight because it'll be worth it in the end. But digestive enzymes, zinc and P5P which is activated. B6 and phosphorus.
- [69:44]
Alex Clark
Those are my top and B vitamins. I mean you're going to get a lot of that in beef liver, right?
- [69:48]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, you can get in beef liver, but sometimes you need more B6 than like a multi or beef liver because your body is craving more or needs more of B6. So you have to take like extra of just one B vitamin instead of doing like more, you know, liver or more be complex.
- [70:06]
Alex Clark
If you're always getting little cystic pimples when on your period, what do you think is going on there?
- [70:13]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Bacterial infection or fungal infection and too much estrogen. If you have an issue when you're menstruating, it's an estrogen issue. Ovulation, estrogen issue. And then after that between ovulation and your cycle again is progesterone cortisol.
- [70:28]
Alex Clark
So this is, this happens to me and it's always like day two or three of, of my cycle or of when I'm menstruating and it's really painful under the skin. But I told you before, my estrogen and progesterone are both in the toilet.
- [70:42]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
When you start testing hormone levels and it says that they're lower, you know, they can be low. It could be that there's too much toxic estrogen in your system, clogging the receptors for good estrogen to deposit on. And it'll look like you have low.
- [70:55]
Alex Clark
Estrogen, you know, but toxic estrogen, I mean, what that comes from soy and stuff. I'm not eating any of that.
- [71:01]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, it comes from plastics, it comes from pesticide use. I mean it comes from a lot beyond soy.
- [71:06]
Alex Clark
Okay.
- [71:06]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
I, I like unless it's you know, like organic fermented tofu. There's some people who do really well with that? Not most people, but I would think more of environmental estrogens than the food estrogen.
- [71:19]
Alex Clark
Is rosacea an internal thing or an external thing? Internal rosacea.
- [71:25]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah. I think rosacea has a spleen component and it has a viral parasite component. That's what I find with my rosacea patients.
- [71:32]
Alex Clark
Is there anything with arthritis and rosacea?
- [71:36]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, infection.
- [71:37]
Alex Clark
What are the best solutions for dandruff?
- [71:39]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Fungus, antifungals and hydration? Yeah. So tea tree oil is great for the scalp. Rosemary is great for the scalp help. But again, similar to like toenail fungus and dandruff and too much wax in your ears, those are a lot of times fungal issues. So you have to start with gut and gallbladder cleansing of fungus. So there's, you know, different herbs you can use for, for that. So I like for dandruff, I like using the tea tree and rosemary oil based shampoos or, you know, if you put a little of those essential oils into a nice shampoo, that's a, you know, more of like a right here, right now solution. Apple cider vinegar some people will use. But you got to start internally. You have to. The other thing is hydration. Right? Like even like coming to Arizona. It's. It's dry here.
- [72:25]
Alex Clark
Oh, it's horrific. And that's also a Hashimoto's thing. But I have severe dry skin. Yeah, severe, like hard. You know, I. It's really hard for me to get much relief with lotions, anything.
- [72:38]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, yeah, it's. And hydrating and using electrolytes is probably the best thing you can do. But it's dry. I mean, I love dry. But even just being here for the last 24 hours, like I can feel the dryness in my sinuses. Like my skin's drier.
- [72:51]
Alex Clark
If you're waking up and you have always puffy face, puffy eyes, is that your body trying to tell you something?
- [72:57]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah. If anything is worse in the morning, better as the day goes on, there's lymph congestion. Oh, that's the number one. Because your lymph is your garbage can of your body and it moves off muscle contraction. It does not have valves and pumps like your blood vessels. So as you're lying down, it's not moving. So that's number one. Now you have to find out what's causing that. A lot of times fungus will cause stagnant lymph, as will dehydration.
- [73:23]
Alex Clark
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- [74:37]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Up to three?
- [74:38]
Alex Clark
Up to three poops a day?
- [74:39]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, I would say two.
- [74:40]
Alex Clark
Now listen to me. Yeah, but wouldn't that be meaning that you're eating a ton of garbage food and that's why your body's like, we gotta get this out. We gotta get this out.
- [74:50]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
The way that I first learned it was that you're supposed to have a bowel movement after every meal. Every meal is supposed to stimulate a bowel movement.
- [74:54]
Alex Clark
Who even has time to poop three times a day? I. I just. Somebody said this on X and I saw that and I was like, no way, you guys. I thought once, maybe twice. Great.
- [75:05]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
I would be fine with twice. Okay, I'd be fine with twice. You're supposed to do three, but I'd be fine with twice. I mean, even I have patients who are like, I have a bottom every 10 days.
- [75:13]
Alex Clark
Like, yeah, well, that's how I was for my entire life.
- [75:17]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Lot of times that's gallbladder.
- [75:19]
Alex Clark
Okay? I didn't know until once I found out about all this stuff that I have going on. That was the first time I realized, oh, like chronic constipation. First of all, I thought constipation meant only, you know, uncomfortable hurts to have a bowel movement. Yeah, that's what I thought. It Was. I didn't understand that that also meant, like, you don't go. You go once a week.
- [75:38]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Frequency.
- [75:39]
Alex Clark
Yeah. I didn't understand that, like, growing up as a kid and stuff.
- [75:42]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Sure.
- [75:42]
Alex Clark
So I had that my entire life. And that's been, like, one of my most proudest achievements is, like, poofing every day. But now people are telling me I get up to three, I'm like, good grief, you guys. I'm just. I'm getting there. Give me a break. Are there certain things women should be doing to prep for a C section?
- [75:58]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Red infrared light and taking glutathione.
- [76:01]
Alex Clark
Why infrared light for that?
- [76:02]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Because red infrared light is what's going to help the healing the skin after. So I would prep the area.
- [76:07]
Alex Clark
Okay.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
It's back to mitochondria. And so whenever you have any type of scar tissue, you usually. That tells you you didn't have enough glutathione in your body. And glutathione is our master antioxidant, and it's produced through MTHFR methylation. And a lot of us, you know, don't do that properly because of our environment and all that type of stuff. So I would actually use a glutathione prior and then after as well, because it's safe for baby, too.
- [76:32]
Alex Clark
Do we need to be releasing all the toddler tongue ties?
- [76:35]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
I am from the camp of not always. If you have functional movement of the tongue now, I. We've released both our daughters. Had them. We've released both. One of our good family friends in LA is a great, great infant tongue tie specialist.
- [76:53]
Alex Clark
Who is it?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Chelsea Pinto.
- [76:54]
Alex Clark
Okay.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
She's awesome. And we became really close friends after she worked on our oldest. And so she is starting to think more of, like, do the body work before, after, and all that type of stuff. For me, I listen to a ton of pod. And the reason why we went to Chelsea was because I had like four people say, hey, you gotta listen to this podcast. And it was always with Chelsea Pinto. And we were living in Orange county at the time. So it was a short drive away. And at that time, it was 2020, late 2020. We're the only ones who weren't wearing masks in LA. And they looked at us like we were zombies. Of course, it's crazy. The biggest thing why I would say I would want to be more on the side of, yes, do it versus not is because over time, when they're sleeping, if their tongue is not proper, then they get less brain oxygen over time.
- [77:39]
Alex Clark
Okay.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
And so a lot of People will do it for, like, latching purposes and trouble feeding, which is totally legit. My wife didn't have any issues with latching and breastfeeding, but we still had tongue ties and we released it because of oxygen to the brain over time. We thought that was very important, obviously. So I am more in the camp of yes, but you got. You can't just, like, tie it or clip it and then it's done. You got to do the CFT and exercises before and after. And, you know, we still work on the pallets of our children and all that type of stuff.
- [78:06]
Alex Clark
How much do we really need to be worrying about lead in every little thing? Least of your concerns.
- [78:12]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah.
- [78:13]
Alex Clark
I would say the same for me at this point. I mean, sick of the lead crazy.
- [78:17]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Here's. Here's the thing. What do we use lead for in society? And the answer usually is to block X rays. Right? You wear a lead apron when you're getting dental X rays. So what does lead do? It stops radiation. So what do we have to do? Get the radiation out of us and EMF and all that stuff, and then lead won't affect us as much.
- [78:35]
Alex Clark
Why are fermented foods a health game changer?
- [78:39]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
So fermented foods are where there's a lot of, like, good gut bacteria, microbiome. My issue with it is that it can feed fungus. Anything fermented can feed if there's too much fungus in the body. Body. And so a lot of back to my patient population are sensitive people who have, you know, a lot of times fungal overgrowth and stuff. And you can use sauerkraut and fermented foods later on, but I pull them off initially because it will feed fungus and mold. And so some people, when they. This is like classic, like, all right, I'm ready to get healthy. Let's do this. I'm gonna go to Sprouts, and I'm doing all this, the sauerkraut, and all of a sudden they're like, wow, my gut is bloated beyond belief, and I feel terrible. This stuff doesn't work. I'm going back to my lifestyle. Lifestyle. And that's why it doesn't work is because it's a good thing. At the wrong time is still the wrong thing.
- [79:26]
Alex Clark
Why are you anti kombucha for that reason?
- [79:29]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
That's one of the reasons. But kombucha is also caffeine.
- [79:32]
Alex Clark
You know what? Get out of here. Yeah, yeah, okay.
- [79:34]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
And the thing is, is caffeine stresses the liver and it dehydrates you. So Especially with females who, you know, very sensitive hormone pictures. Caffeine is liver stressor.
- [79:44]
Alex Clark
I mean, for me, I am taking the teeniest, tiniest little juice glass with dinner of kombucha.
- [79:50]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah. And that. That could be totally fine.
- [79:51]
Alex Clark
Yeah. I think sipping on it all day long, probably a little overkill.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah. And it's probably the same with coffee. And obviously, like, you know, coffee is. Has. Everyone loves it. Obviously, it's like their morning ritual. There's an emotional attachment to it. Back to emotions. I think more people are emotionally attached to their coffee because coffee tastes terrible. I don't care what anyone says. I don't care what anyone's going to say about this. Coffee tastes terrible. It smells better than it tastes always. But the smell is emotional because your sense of smell goes directly into your. Your emotional centers of your brain. You're like, oh, can we take my morning coffee? And then it's like, you know, if you're being real with yourself, doesn't taste nearly as good as it smells. Everyone's like, all right, well, I do mold free coffee. I put mushrooms in my coffee. And they try to make it, like a better experience. And you know, that that can be. But at the end of the day, it's still a liver stressor and it's still dehydrating. Caffeine will spike cortisol, and if you are too high of cortisol and you have anxiety, caffeine's not going to do. You're not going to do well with caffeine.
- [80:49]
Alex Clark
What do you believe holds the key for cracking the autism code?
- [80:53]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Environmental toxicity and getting mom to be well before conceiving.
- [80:58]
Alex Clark
How soon before I would go?
- [81:00]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
At least four months.
- [81:01]
Alex Clark
Okay.
- [81:02]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, 120 days minimum. And just getting, you know, your gut better, your liver better, taking glutathione, which helps heal the barriers of your system, like your blood, brain barrier, your gut barrier, lung barrier, that I think is crucial. But then don't vaccinate. Like, that's the infamous question, does vaccines cause autism? And I've been asked that thousands upon thousands of times. And what I will say is that it's like the cherry on top. It's like, what broke the straw that broke the camel's back? Because there are glyphosate in our foods, in our environment. Right. There's chemtrails. There's so much stuff that is constantly breaking us down. And then like even 20 years ago, they were showing how many chemicals are in umbilical cord.
- [81:49]
Alex Clark
I ate like crap. I was on hormonal birth control for almost a decade. Ultra processed food was basically my entire diet for my entire life until like two years ago. So what my fear is that if, you know, God blesses me one day with children, my firstborn child is just going to be so messed up because all of this stuff is going to dump into them that's been in my body.
- [82:11]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
I mean, if you do all the basics like you seem to be doing with red infrared light and exercise and diet and stuff like that, that's a huge home run. And the body's very resilient. Like, you know, there so much can be corrected. I always say it's never too late. And so. And the mental stress of you saying that could be worse than the actual toxins if they're even still in your system.
- [82:33]
Alex Clark
Is white or brown rice healthier?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
White.
- [82:36]
Alex Clark
Now why have we been told our whole life brown rice, brown rice, brown rice.
- [82:40]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Brown rice, I find feeds viruses more than white rice. And that's the reason why I go to white rice. Now here's a trick with brown rice that could make it healthier than white rice. It only works with brown is you take the rice and it's not cooked, it's just raw, you know, and you put it in a pan on the stove. You go to medium heat, heat and you just stir it for like 8 to 10 minutes until the some of the rice starts cracking or you smell it like cooking. And what that does is it changes the glycemic sugar index of the rice and the body recognizes it more as a protein. So you can do like a whole thing. You can pre do this, you can do pound of rice or whatever and you keep stirring it. You'll. It's a very distinct smell. Some rices will start popping, you know, it's kind of done. Then you let it cool off and you cook it at normal. It registers more as a protein than a carb. It gives a little more texture to the rice, a little more like Al Dante, which I'm an El Dante fan. So I, I personally like it. But I usually go white rice and basmati over brown in our household.
- [83:39]
Alex Clark
Can you share anything about vaping terrible.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Toxic chemicals directly into your lungs, destroying your lung barrier, depleting your glutathione. Lung and large intestine are brother sister in Chinese medicine. So anything that affects the lungs affects your gut. So it's going to destroy your digestive tract back.
- [83:55]
Alex Clark
Okay, now wait a second. And what is exploding right now? Under 30, colon cancer.
- [84:00]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
There it is.
- [84:01]
Alex Clark
That is, that there has to be something 100.
- [84:04]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Because Chinese medicine is so brilliant because they were talking about these things thousands of years ago.
- [84:09]
Alex Clark
I'm obsessed with it. I didn't know anything about Chinese medicine till, like two weeks ago. And so now, and I'm all in. And this is one thing about me which drives my best friend nuts is I am in or I am out. And then once I decide that I'm in, I am there because what I first started becoming, like, into all the health stuff and changing my life. She's like, oh, gosh, is this going to be the phase or whatever? I'm like, nope. She's like, you'll get over this. Haven't gotten over it.
- [84:30]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Once you come to this side, you don't go away. You can't. It's impossible.
- [84:33]
Alex Clark
I'm really into the Chinese medicine stuff.
- [84:35]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
It's brilliant. I mean, they did it thousands of years ago. They weren't able to cut into people. And they still understood these relationships is very fascinating to me. And they even understand relationships that Western medicine and current day, like, still don't acknowledge. But, like, one of the biggest things again is smoking will cause colon cancer and a bad diet can cause lung cancer. And they would say, oh, yeah, the lung and large intestine are brother sister. So one affects the other.
- [84:58]
Alex Clark
Well, and here's the other huge myth, like, just speaking of smoking and stuff, is that so many gen zers, young millennials, we were told, well, number one, you know, marijuana is amazing medicinal. I don't know your thoughts on marijuana, but. But one thing that I think think is. Is interesting is that they're just saying that. But I think how you're ingesting it is important. And what's happening is a lot of people are using the pens to smoke marijuana, and that also has all these other chemicals and things in there, flavors that have mystery stuff in there. People think, oh, oh, I just smoke pot. That's good for you. And they're using a pen. And I think that that is causing a lot of problems.
- [85:37]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, the pens are cut with chemicals. Marijuana is so interesting because, like, I was a heavy marijuana user and I say that it somewhat saved my life in times that I actually needed it. And now that I know more about the biochemistry and stuff now I, I have shifted my perception of it a little bit or a lot a bit, I guess.
- [85:56]
Alex Clark
What do you think about people saying it's causing psychosis?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
It can. If their blood sugar is unstable and. And they have a lot of underlying stuff going on, for sure.
- [86:03]
Alex Clark
It's a Blood sugar thing.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
The thing with marijuana is everyone knows like, oh yeah, I get the munchies. Well, what, what's the munchies? It's a drop in blood sugar that makes you starving, bro. So like for diabetics, like I'm not opposed to them smoking weed. Like that can drop their blood sugar pretty well and then they could eat proper and that can help them with their, you know, high insulin and stuff like that. So I'm not opposed to it. But I also think that marijuana pesticides, fungal in the buds and stuff like that.
- [86:31]
Alex Clark
I mean, is that a thing? Organic marijuana?
- [86:33]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
For sure. 100%. Okay, yeah, 100, you can find it. Now a lot of the stores, like the dispensaries, they want high turnover rates. So these places aren't doing organic.
- [86:41]
Alex Clark
It's junk. It's ultra processed marijuana.
- [86:43]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Ultra processed. And it's very potent and like, and all that stuff. Like if you ever like talk to someone who was like a weed smoker in like the 60s and stuff, they'll always say like man, this stuff, you guys got these like they say it's different, totally different. Like because it is. Because it's ultrally processed, it's super potent and back then they were doing things organically like glyphosate wasn't sprayed everywhere right until this like 70s and 80s.
- [87:06]
Alex Clark
This is juicy. And I have not talked about this with anyone yet. What is the weirdest wellness thing that you've tried that actually worked and you're like, everyone should try.
- [87:15]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
That's tough. I would say, honestly one that I've been like doing for a while now that I really like is member when like perennial sunning was a thing.
- [87:23]
Alex Clark
Are you telling me that that is real?
- [87:25]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
It is real for sure. Like hormone and like, like back to like the root chakra and like all that area has a very profound effect on, on you. And so not that though, but using red infrared light at home instead of doing sun.
- [87:42]
Alex Clark
If you could give one remedy to helicit culture physically, mentally or spiritually, what.
- [87:47]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Would it be for everyone to have? Gratitude. That's number one. I feel like people live in a society that they just don't have enough gratitude and thankfulness for what they have. They're always trying to chase something or you know, I don't want to say play a victim role, but not far off of like why me? Why this? And like if you took a step back and you realize that like the chances of you being born are so slim. Like, you know, they say you won the great sperm race because there's like millions of sperm and like, one makes it and like, that's you. Like, that is a miracle in itself. And then you live your whole life of, like, trying to be like other people or trying to, you know, do something to please people or be a people pleaser or whatever it is. And you don't just sit there and have gratitude for, like, waking up today or being able to breathe air or for a family or whatever you have going on in your life. I think if we lived more in like, like they say infinite love and gratitude is, that would heal a whole world.
- [88:39]
Alex Clark
Talk about your podcast with nurse Lauren Johnson, Natural nurse Mama. How often do you guys have episodes come out? Where can people subscribe?
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
She was my first person on Instagram, recommended to follow. And I started doing Instagram after I was writing a blog for a long time and realized I saw the reach of Instagram and how I can, you know, not sit at my kitchen table for three hours a week and write a blog and go out to like a few hundred people. Now I can get thousands of people. I was doing like, Q&As and I was answering questions like this. And she started like, dming me of, okay, if I have this patient, like, what would you think? And so she really resonated with what I was saying. So we started talking. Then when I moved to Nashville, she was only three hours north. And so she was like, hey, you know, I know you have a long wait list, but I would love to see if you can see my daughters. And I'm like, you know, why don't you just come down next week at the end of my shift, I'll see them. We can do dinner and, you know, like, meet in person, all that stuff. So we did that. And she was like, I'm thinking about doing a podcast. And I'm like, great idea. You know, obviously I have a 2.0 account because my initial one was shadow banned for talking about vaccines and all this stuff. She was really going to do it. I'm like, that's great. So I texted her a week later and she was like, or I asked her, I said, so how's it going? Are you going to do the podcast? And she asked me if I wanted to do it with her. And so that's how it started. And we started in September of 2022, and we do a episode every week for the most part, unless we're like, traveling or something, because we got our other stuff going on. So it's. It started as, like, fun, and then it Turned into like, oh wow. People actually like really like this content.
- [90:10]
Alex Clark
I love the show.
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Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah. And so it's.
- [90:12]
Alex Clark
And remind everyone what it's called called.
- [90:13]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Red Pill, your healthcast. And so started off as we kind of did different top. We did a lot of topics. Like we did like vaccines, we did autism, we did allergies. You know, we have so many of those. Then we are starting to do guests now. So we're gonna have guests on and then we also do Q A. Like people submit their questions and we'll answer like five to six questions a week. And it's on Spotify, Apple Podcasts.
- [90:36]
Alex Clark
Where can people follow you on social media?
- [90:39]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Dr. Charlie DC underscore 2.0 because of the shadow ban of the original account. And so I'm mostly active on there and then I do post on Tick Tock and I use it zero well.
- [90:51]
Alex Clark
You'Re gonna get banned in five seconds on there. Yeah, I just, I've already had like multiple videos flagged. It's. It's impossible. Just for talking about birth control and stuff.
- [90:58]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
I literally just post a video and, and that's it. Just see if it goes to the ethers and like, like one went viral or whatever. And then I just. On top of Instagram, I have my, my in the trenches membership.
- [91:08]
Alex Clark
Okay. Yeah, talk about your membership classes and what you offer there and how people can, you know, see you as their doctor.
- [91:14]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Originally I got to Nashville and I had a wait list already before I got there. And then it started growing to the thousands and like it turned into like, you know, 30,000 plus people and it just went nuts. And I'm a. I don't have a full clinic. I rent a room. It's just me. I check people out, I schedule people. Like I don't have a team and so I couldn't possibly see that many people. And so what I originally did was I was going to do topic videos weekly for my wait list. And then so by the time they saw me, they would have an idea of, oh, you were, you know, you found parasites. I watched your parasite video. I understand what we're working on it. It really was an efficient way for me. And then I just opened it up to whoever wanted to learn and then that kind of just took off. And so I was doing topic videos every two weeks and live hour long Q and A every Tuesday. I still do every Tuesday on Zoom and, and then 30 minutes of Q and A every Thursday.
- [92:06]
Alex Clark
And how much does it cost for someone to like participate in all this?
- [92:09]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
It's cancel anytime. It's $10 a week, so it's 40 bucks a month.
- [92:12]
Alex Clark
Okay.
- [92:12]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah. So it's very affordable. We have a private Facebook group where everyone interacts all day long. I made the symptom quiz to kind of guide you towards the biggest topics. If you were a patient of mine, like that's where I would start. But it has a search bar so if you're looking for anything, I love that you can type it in like you know, what does he say about gluten or lime? And it'll pull up every video I mentioned and down to the second you can go right to it. So it's like a digital library.
- [92:36]
Alex Clark
Dr. Charlie always talks about clinical pearls, little pieces of wisdom. I feel like we got tons of clinical pearls this episode.
- [92:43]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
This is great. I love this. This is a lot of fun.
- [92:45]
Alex Clark
Thank you. Thanks for coming on Culture Apothecary.
- [92:47]
Dr. Charlie Fagenholz
Yeah, thanks for having me.
- [92:51]
Alex Clark
That marijuana section needs to be cleaned, slipped up and sent out. So important. If you haven't listened to red pill your health cast, you are gonna love it. It's basically episodes just like this with him and natural nurse mama who was on the show last July to cover the childhood vaccine schedule and you guys loved her episode. Please leave a five star review. Tell others why Culture Apothecary is your favorite show and make sure that you're subscribed to Real Alex Clark on YouTube. If you are looking for community with like minded people, join the cute servitors Facebook group. That's for fans of this show. We're on a mission to heal a sick culture. Twice a week, every Monday and Thursday at 9pm Eastern, new guests are bringing their own unique remedy to helicit culture. You can follow me on Instagram as well at Real Alex Clark and find show merch@tpusamerch.com when you use code Alex Clark, by the way, it's going to give you 10 off. I'm Alex Clark and this is Culture Apothecary.