Ep. 411: Reproductive Justice, & Women's History Month (Ft. Monica Simpson & Kendrick Sampson)

Summary

Episode Summary: Ep. 411: Reproductive Justice & Women's History Month (Ft. Monica Simpson & Kendrick Sampson)

Released on March 10, 2025, "Decisions, Decisions" delves deep into the critical issues of reproductive justice and its intersection with Women's History Month. Hosted by Mandii B and WeezyWTF, this episode features insightful conversations with Monica Simpson, Executive Director of SisterSong, and Kendrick Sampson, an actor, producer, and activist dedicated to fostering cultural change through storytelling.

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1. Welcome and Introduction [01:15 - 02:00]

Mandii B and WeezyWTF kick off the episode with their characteristic blend of humor and candidness. They introduce their guests:

• Monica Simpson: Executive Director of SisterSong, a Southern-based national women of color reproductive justice collective.
• Kendrick Sampson: Actor known for roles in Insecure and Something from Tiffany, and co-founder of Bold Power, an organization focused on activism and storytelling.

Quote:

Mandii B [02:03]: "You did."

2. Understanding Reproductive Justice [06:27 - 08:15]

The conversation shifts to reproductive justice, emphasizing its heightened relevance following the reversal of Roe v. Wade. The hosts and guests discuss the continuous rollback of reproductive rights and the importance of storytelling in combating stigma and fear.

Quotes:

Weezy [06:31]: "I'm sick of telling my abortion story to help the people."

Mandii B [06:54]: "You are, because there's so many people who can't."

3. The Complexity of Abortion Narratives [08:15 - 13:00]

Mandii B and WeezyWTF explore the multifaceted reasons behind abortion decisions, challenging the simplistic narratives often portrayed in media. They highlight how economic status, personal capacity, and emotional readiness play pivotal roles in these decisions.

Quotes:

Mandii B [08:22]: "People have to have a choice when they want condoms to be off or the reality."

Weezy [11:28]: "But I do get very surprised because no, in this relationship I'm not worried about sexually transmitted diseases."

4. Hypothetical Scenarios: Men Carrying Babies [22:20 - 28:46]

In a thought-provoking segment, the hosts and guests imagine a world where men can carry babies. This scenario sparks discussions on how parenting dynamics and sexual behaviors might shift, potentially altering patriarchal structures and fostering deeper emotional connections between fathers and their children.

Quotes:

Mandii B [27:35]: "If men had to actually carry a child for nine months, it's going to change them mentally."

Kendrick Sampson [27:55]: "This might be the way for us to take out patriarchy."

5. Satirical Legislation: The 'Contraception Begins at Erection Act' [40:03 - 49:29]

The group examines a satirical bill from Mississippi, dubbed the "Contraception Begins at Erection Act," which aims to criminalize unprotected sex for men not intending procreation. While humorous in presentation, the discussion underscores the potential dangers of such legislation, highlighting how it perpetuates oppression and targets marginalized communities.

Quotes:

Charlamagne Tha God [40:18]: "They could introduce bounty hunters and give incentives to women who are having sex with a man without the purpose of procreation."

Kendrick Sampson [47:21]: "I believe that these state governments are steeped in white delusion and violence."

6. The Role of Men in Reproductive Justice [55:50 - 62:19]

Kendrick Sampson emphasizes the necessity of involving men in reproductive justice conversations. He advocates for creating safe spaces where men can engage in discussions about bodily autonomy, sexual health, and ethical non-monogamy, fostering a more inclusive and supportive movement.

Quotes:

Mandii B [62:19]: "Reproductive justice was created by black women."

Kendrick Sampson [59:14]: "Men will come to me to have the conversation."

7. Centering Bodily Autonomy in Broader Movements [62:19 - 67:44]

The discussion broadens to encompass how bodily autonomy intersects with various civil rights issues, including voting rights, economic empowerment, and climate change. The hosts and guests argue that without prioritizing reproductive and sexual freedoms, other aspects of liberation remain incomplete.

Quotes:

Mandii B [67:29]: "We cannot do that without centering bodily autonomy."

Charlamagne Tha God [67:41]: "That's a mic drop right there."

8. Organizational Highlights and Promotions [51:57 - 67:44]

The episode concludes with promotions for SisterSong's initiatives and the hosts' upcoming book, No Holes Barred: A Dual Manifesto on Sexual Liberation and Power. They encourage listeners to support black-owned bookstores and engage with reproductive justice organizations.

Quotes:

Mandii B [67:43]: "Follow us. SisterSongWoc, SisterSong.net."

Weezy [63:39]: "We have our national 'Let's Talk About Sex' conference, the largest sexual and reproductive justice conference in the country."

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Notable Takeaways

• Reproductive Justice Defined: Beyond mere access to abortion, it's about ensuring bodily autonomy, equitable healthcare, and the freedom to decide one's reproductive future without societal or economic constraints.

• Challenging Narratives: The hosts and guests emphasize the importance of diverse abortion stories to counteract prevailing stigmas and simplistic portrayals.

• Inclusivity in Activism: Involving men in reproductive justice is crucial for dismantling patriarchal norms and fostering mutual support in intimate relationships.

• Satire as a Tool: Highlighting the absurdity of restrictive reproductive laws through satire underscores their potential harm and societal backlash.

• Bodily Autonomy as Central: True liberation requires prioritizing reproductive and sexual freedoms alongside other civil rights issues.

Closing Remark: In this episode of "Decisions, Decisions," Mandii B and WeezyWTF, alongside Monica Simpson and Kendrick Sampson, illuminate the pressing issues surrounding reproductive justice. Through candid dialogue and thoughtful analysis, they advocate for a future where bodily autonomy is universally respected and integrated into the broader struggle for equality and liberation.

Transcript

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[Weezy]

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[Mandy B]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Kendrick Sampson]

Peace to the planet. I go by the name of Charlamagne Tha God. And guess what? I can't wait to see y'all at the third annual Black Effect Podcast Festival.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's right.

[Kendrick Sampson]

We're coming back to Atlanta, Georgia, Saturday, April 26th at Pullman Yards. And it's hosted by none other than Decisions, Decisions, Mandy B. And Weezy. Okay, we got the R and B Money podcast with Tank and J. Valentine. We got the Woman Evolved podcast with Sarah Jake Roberts. We got Good Moms, Bad Choices.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Carrie Champion will be there with her.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Neck in Sports podcast. And the Trap Nerds podcast with with more to be announced. And of course, it's bigger than podcast. We're bringing the Black Effect Marketplace with black owned businesses, plus the food truck court to keep you fed while you visit us. All right, listen, you don't want to miss this. Tap in and grab your Tickets [e-mail] podcast festival.

[Weezy]

Welcome to Decisions Decisions.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think you should say Decisions, Decisions. It sounded like you was talking to it. Cursed him.

[Weezy]

You definitely say the welcome.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Welcome to the new podcast.

[Weezy]

Oh, wait, you want to say it together.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Decisions, Decisions. Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Decisions. This is the owns. I'm your girl, Mandy B. I'm Weezy.

[Weezy]

We have two guests today. Don't get mad that it's not a solo episode because you're going to be very excited if you're on the YouTube. You got titties on the left and eyes on the right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's right. So I'm going to introduce titties first.

[Weezy]

Okay?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because titties always come first. Okay, we have Monica Simpson, who is the executive director of Sister Song, which is the Southern based national women of color reproductive justice collective. And y'all, we talking about.

[Weezy]

You got that out, baby.

[Mandy B]

You did.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Uh, uh. Cause girl, I could read.

[Weezy]

No. Cause that was getting long did you?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Don't be knowing I could read. I ain't gonna hold you. Reproduction Collective Sis. The words were long, but I did it.

[Mandy B]

You did?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, I did it. I was practicing.

[Weezy]

You know our new book, I Feel Mandy says it really well, but it's kind of wordy for me. Cause I have races now. A dual manifesto of sexual exploration.

[Mandy B]

Bitch, I just be like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When you start laughing, I be like, manifesto sex.

[Weezy]

That's what I feel.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's crazy. Well, let me introduce Eyes to y'all, because I feel like y'all had kind of been introduced to him in life before. Um, but we have Kendrick Sampson, who is an actor, producer, and activist who leverages his platform and storytelling to shift culture for good. You feel me? Um, y'all may know him as Nathan from Insecure or as Ethan in Prime's popular romantic comedy Something from Tiffany.

[Weezy]

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. That was so cute. Was that two years ago?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This was a while ago.

[Weezy]

Why did I forget?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This was a while ago? Okay.

[Weezy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He's like, the first person to introduce bipolar disorder to the black community. That's literally what his character did.

[Mandy B]

You feel me?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was like, dang.

[Weezy]

At least you wasn't the one that had to introduce bisexuality. Cause I feel like. Let's just say he was real in real life, he was straight. I feel so bad for, like, characters that have a super masculine, like, a murder moot, and they gotta be like, damn, now I need to live in this and be like, fucking explain myself. Shit. Well, shit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sharona sat here and introduced Polyamory.

[Weezy]

Like, no, but we know Sharona's got it in him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's crazy. When I saw Kobe. That's crazy.

[Weezy]

Sharon. Sharona doesn't like that show a lot. He's open for some horrible decision shows. So that's our bro. But when I saw Kofi at it.

[Mandy B]

I said, oh, I thought this would have been Sherrod. Let's talk about it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

By the way, I want to let y'all know, too. Kendrick also is the. The co founder of Bold Power. And you do a lot of. Oh, Bill, my bad. It was bld.

[Weezy]

He got a lot to read.

[Kendrick Sampson]

The best version of it was a dude that used to go around. He had no hair, and people would always give him that and be like, ah, that's so crazy. And he was, like, really proud of the shirt. And they thought it was Bald power.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, Bald Power. Okay, now that's funny. That's funny. Listen, when I see blk, I know it's black. Bld could be so many words.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Yeah. So build, Build.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Bald, Bold, Boom, bap. You know, boom, bat.

[Weezy]

I would have said bld.

[Kendrick Sampson]

There you go.

[Weezy]

Cause it makes you think of bd.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, it don't make you think of bd.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Bigger.

[Weezy]

Little.

[Mandy B]

That's a connection.

[Weezy]

Oh, wait. Tell us how y'all two got together. Because I was saying earlier, before cameras were up, I was like, oh, I thought it was a movie out, but y'all are literally doing social justice reform.

[Kendrick Sampson]

We live in the movie.

[Mandy B]

We do.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Period. That's what America is.

[Mandy B]

The United States of America.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B]

We were actually just talking about this. We met. 2017, wasn't it? 2016.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Okay, so. Yes, that one.

[Mandy B]

Yes. But did.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Were you also at the Elizabeth Warren.

[Mandy B]

Meeting in New Orleans? Yeah. Oh, that's.

[Weezy]

Oh, y'all are really that tight.

[Mandy B]

No, no, it's been a minute. Like, we've been in this for a minute, y'all.

[Weezy]

Because Elizabeth Warren was on a ballot. Shit.

[Mandy B]

Right during the election season.

[Weezy]

Okay.

[Mandy B]

But we were there, and it was in New Orleans. That's exactly where it started. Okay.

[Kendrick Sampson]

He remembers. That's where I was. Like, I need them to come. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B]

That's exactly what happened. And then you created this really dope art activism exchange in New Orleans again. And he invited me in. Right. And so we just started making these connections around, like, how do we build this bridge between art and activism, creativity and social justice? And it's just been a powerful connection ever since.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's been amazing, like, looking at both of the platforms, too. Like, it looks like y'all have such a strong team like that. To see so many women on yours, to see yours mixed with so many, like, men and women, I was just like, oh, this is really dope. And I love that your team, whoever did it, because we was just making fun of how we normally don't respond to publicists who just hit us up. And I was like, oh, my God. Women's History Month is coming up, and we haven't yet done or really touched on too much reproductive justice, especially since the reversal of Roe v. Wade. We've talked about our stories, but haven't really talked about the broader impact on what it really has on women moving forward.

[Weezy]

I'm sick of telling my abortion story to help the people.

[Mandy B]

But we thank you for that, though, because, you know, many people are so scared to tell their stories still. So storytelling is important. But I do understand, like, it's like, we're continuing to have to tell these stories over and over and over again. And we just see continuous rollbacks of all the things and more bans put into place and more restrictions put into place. And so sometimes it does feel like, why am I still telling this story? But I just want to let you know and remind you you are, because there's so many people who can't.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I do. I do want to. You saying that is incredible, because I, like, y'all are really boot and strapped on the. Like, I wasn't at no politicians, whatever. You know what I mean? We just going.

[Weezy]

I show up to a parade. Not a parade, I'm sorry, a march.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

See, like, politically, like a bike ride.

[Weezy]

I'm in.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think would really consider us activists for the movement by just sharing stories. But I love that you said, the more these conversations are had, and unfortunately, I also feel like, again, the way your character Nathan was able to bring awareness to bipolar disorder and navigating that. I don't think in prime television and film, we've seen anyone navigating abortion. We haven't seen, really, people navigating outside of Handmaid cells, which I know is kind of sci fi.

[Mandy B]

Sure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It still doesn't touch on. It doesn't touch on the decision of abortion.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what I mean?

[Mandy B]

I do. And I would agree with you to a certain extent, because, I mean, there could be, like, an argument that's like, oh, we've seen some abortions and some stories before, but I think that we haven't seen enough, in my opinion, in black culture and the many different stories around abortion. I think that sometimes people feel like there's, like, one story, you didn't want to have a kid, so you had an abortion, or you are too promiscuous, or you just was. You were not being responsible. And so now you have to have an abortion.

[Weezy]

You never see couples talk about the choice to have an abortion.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Absolutely.

[Weezy]

You're married even. You know what I'm saying?

[Mandy B]

Exactly. People have already got kids.

[Weezy]

It's always, we were in a situation that was mine. We were in a situationship. But, like, that's a standard story, I believe. When it happens at a certain age, sure. But for some reason, I've heard even the thing like, you're too old to have an abortion.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, I ain't gonna lie. I tell that to myself. That's why there's condoms in my kitchen, my bedroom, and everywhere. Cause I'll be like, bitch, I will tell a man like, you know, I'm dating someone eight years younger than me now, and I literally Be like, baby, I'm too old to be out here having an abortion. I'm responsible. You know what I mean?

[Kendrick Sampson]

Like, hold on.

[Weezy]

Wait, wait, wait.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What? You and your Nicky use condoms. We use condom. Do not do this. Do not.

[Weezy]

That's why we get in relationships.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That is crazy.

[Mandy B]

But if you. But condoms are necessary. If you.

[Weezy]

Kendrick, Kendrick, Kendrick.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Wait a minute.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Kendrick.

[Weezy]

Are we having a new combo?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes. I need Kendrick to p. Kendrick.

[Weezy]

You say boyfriend.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He is my boyfriend. And baby, the condoms are packed in the luggage for us being on vacation. I know that he wants children. I do not. And so the conversation is, well, baby, I don't want to kill the baby. You won't. Dandy.

[Mandy B]

Oh, this is so good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Kendrick, you look shocked. Please share your thought.

[Weezy]

Oh, where do we go from? Do we start with condoms?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I would love to know a man's perspective on this.

[Mandy B]

Yes.

[Kendrick Sampson]

The man's perspective on having sex with condoms. In a relationship or. Okay. Cause I touched on a lot of things.

[Weezy]

Start with that.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Literally. Yeah. So you're saying that it's not that once you establish that you're in a relationship.

[Weezy]

Oh, it gotta be you. Now, he said when he's talking to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You, he wanna make sure he understands.

[Mandy B]

Yes.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Your grunt perspective. So you're saying you use.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We just got you. We just got to.

[Weezy]

I like to call it fluid bonding.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm saying wrap it up.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Okay. And you saying, once you in a relationship.

[Weezy]

Nah, pull it out.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Okay, so here's the thing. Here's the thing.

[Weezy]

I'm on birth control. I mean, but.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Yeah, but that ain't the only thing you gotta worry about.

[Mandy B]

There we go.

[Weezy]

No, no, no. In my relationship. I mean, my relationship, like, at some point, I think everybody's gotta make a choice when they want condoms to be off or the reality. We together every night. You know what I mean? Now, in a non monogamous relationship, you gotta have those conversations too, which I do.

[Kendrick Sampson]

I think most.

[Weezy]

I don't stay prayed up. I stay tested.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Not on purpose, but most relationships are non monogamous.

[Weezy]

So you only have sex with condoms? Kendrick.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wait a second. Kendrick too? Come on, stats.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Most relationships, 99% of the time I'm wrapping the fuck up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But wait, you think that you don't.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Know what somebody just.

[Weezy]

In a committed relationship.

[Mandy B]

I'm teenagers.

[Weezy]

I know your ass ain't using them all the time.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Listen, I know a lot of people that refuse. I'm not going. I'm not saying that's just my preference.

[Weezy]

I just find it sometimes jarring when like, I Have a married friend of mine. Oh, they're not watching 13 years. And they be using condoms. Sometimes she be like, bitch, I be getting scared. And I'm like, okay, totally get it. She doesn't want to get on another form of birth control.

[Mandy B]

Right.

[Weezy]

But I do get very surprised because no, in this relationship I'm not worried about sexually transmitted diseases. We've made a choice to have sex together with condoms. And when we have sex with other people together, we get tested, we're showing results, whatever. Right. But what you're saying is even in that committed relationship, you still don't feel enough trust.

[Kendrick Sampson]

If y'all. You would have to establish a really high level of trust delusion.

[Weezy]

I guess I'm there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

A really high level of delusion.

[Weezy]

You want to use the condoms with your ex boyfriend.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I didn't want a baby and there was a reason why I felt safe there. Right.

[Weezy]

I'm saying though, like using the condoms.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Yeah. Well, here's the thing. Like, you know, when you do decide to not use a condom, it makes it that much more special and meaningful. Right?

[Weezy]

Of course.

[Kendrick Sampson]

And when you do, you know that means that sometimes you don't. Right. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes. And I don't expect. I'm coming from a completely different perspective. I don't do relationships like that. And I don't really.

[Weezy]

So that's why you had 99%.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Yeah, 99.99.

[Weezy]

When does the 0.1 happen? Alcohol?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, no, no.0001.

[Kendrick Sampson]

When I make a conscious, healthy decision to do so. O if y'all not met. That's another thing is men and women have different hygiene regimens, standards.

[Weezy]

I gotta be honest, don't like where this is going. Not using condoms isn't unhealthy in safe scenarios. And trust these scenarios.

[Kendrick Sampson]

That's what I'm saying. But what I was literally about to say is you don't know everybody's health standards and don't.

[Weezy]

But if you live in a relationship, we talking about a condom.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Yeah, you. I'm.

[Weezy]

You don't know a n health and you decided to make him your man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But especially non monogamous. What about a woman you pick up on vacation or a woman you meet at a bar not knowing who all they fuck with? Really? Even results like that's not a common conversation. Especially with people who aren't sex workers. Like, I was dating a couple last summer and a lot of my friends thought it was crazy that they wanted test results before we did anything because a lot of the Casual people that are not in lifestyle also aren't getting tested. Let's be real.

[Mandy B]

I mean, that is a thing.

[Kendrick Sampson]

And everybody don't wash their ass.

[Weezy]

When was your last.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not everybody don't wash their ass.

[Weezy]

When was y'all last test?

[Mandy B]

My last test was. Oh, I just went to the doctor. January.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, that's recent. My chart is January 14th.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, mine was in January.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Mandy B]

I feel like we.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Lady.

[Mandy B]

I do not engage with penis. Let me just be very clear. I do not engage with.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, you don't engage with penis?

[Mandy B]

No, I've been off penis for about 20 years.

[Weezy]

Oh, girl, you gonna be good. Let me tell you something.

[Mandy B]

I've been off. Yeah, yeah. 9, 9, 2000.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Monica, can I ask you.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What makes you.

[Weezy]

9, 9, 2000.

[Kendrick Sampson]

2000.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's funny cause this has been a conversation on Housewives recently on how someone could be married to a man for 20 years, get out of the relationship and end up with a woman. This happened in Roni, it's happening in Beverly Hills. What makes you go from having dick? It being. Cause dick is beautiful. It's great. It looks nice. To then just say, I'm done with it for 20 years.

[Mandy B]

I don't think it looks nice. Let me be very clear. I always thought it was a very weird thing.

[Weezy]

Oh, it never was.

[Mandy B]

The youth. I was just like, this is a very interesting looking thing. And I was very. It was very interesting. So here's the thing. I think that there is a wide spectrum of sexuality, right? And so you can be on the very far end of straight. Like, come on, you empty scale. You are dick, dick, dick, dick down. Right? And then there's the other side that's like, I am pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, down. I'm on that side, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Mandy B]

I am very much into that side, right? And there's a whole bunch of stuff in the in between. And I think. And there's an in between. And I think that whenever you are, you know, especially as you're aging, and sometimes I think with these. Some of these aging sisters, because we have not been taught pleasure throughout our life, then we are conditioned to think that we can only have a certain type of sex, a certain type of intimacy. And that shit gets boring very quickly. And so then once they realize that, oh, I have some freedom, I'm making my own money, I'm not dependent on other people. I can actually try some other things.

[Weezy]

I can eat pussy now.

[Mandy B]

I'm gonna try to eat some pussy. You know what I'm saying? I may like It. I may not like it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You clearly like that.

[Weezy]

Why do you think financial or economic status may come into play with sexuality?

[Mandy B]

Because, again, I think it's about conditioning, the patriarchy. It is about patriarchy at the end of the day. So we still live in a country even though black women, we doing a lot better than what we used to. We still at the lowest end of the economic bracket. And we've been taught. I know, I was taught, especially as a Southern black woman, you get you a good man that's gonna keep that good job, and you keep your good job so y'all can make it. But it doesn't. It was never given to me that you could actually make it by yourself, that you need to have this man that's gonna have the good job, right? That's gonna be able to hold you down, right? And then you hold him down. And so I think that that is a mentality that a lot of people still hold onto, that we have to do this thing together. And I think that it's taken these past maybe decade, maybe a decade or so, maybe longer than that, right? Where people are starting to realize that I can actually make things happen on my own. I don't have to hold on to that very old school, very patriarchal, very, you know, internalistic way that we've been taught to actually be in relationship. So I think that all of that connects in people when they think about how they want to enter into relationship, stay in relationship, what types of relationships they want to be on, be in, what types of sex they have. Because a lot of us grew up in the church, and it's like, you know, we ain't taught that we can do sex in all kinds of ways. We not taught that you could, like, really have fun in this thing. It's like, it's for a purpose of procreation. You have these kids. It's not about pleasure. We're not taught about pleasure.

[Weezy]

You're really, like, making me think. I host a lot of HIV awareness dinners with Gilead, surrounding black women in the rising rates. And the constant conversation is always centered around our sexual education. Never got to pleasure. And it really wasn't too deep. It was just kind of.

[Mandy B]

It was.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right.

[Mandy B]

Abstinence only. That's how.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If you have sex, you either gonna get pregnant or die.

[Mandy B]

Nothing to do with us either way. Either way. No. I was gonna say so. I grew up in rural North Carolina. We had abstinence only sex education.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All right, Same in Florida.

[Mandy B]

And we were incentivized to not have sex on prom. They told us if you didn't have sex on prom, they was gonna give you this coupon to go to Pizza Hut to get a prep.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, shut up, Pizza Hut.

[Mandy B]

I'm like, yeah, yeah. And I took the Pizza Hut. Pizza Hut.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But how would they know?

[Mandy B]

How would they know I fucked on prom? You know what I'm saying? Like, that's what they run me.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

My coupon.

[Mandy B]

Yeah. Me and my n. Burn pan sausage pizza. That shit was delicious, by the way.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Back in the day when you could go to Pizza Hut and they had the buffet.

[Mandy B]

Oh, my God.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And a single pan. Pizza Hut.

[Mandy B]

Oh, my God.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Pizza Hut done fell. Is Pizza Hut still around?

[Mandy B]

It's still around, but it's not the same.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, I didn't know.

[Weezy]

I just got it from 13 years.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I ain't seen no Pizza Hut.

[Weezy]

Kendrick, have you heard Monica tell the story of being incentivized to not fuck?

[Mandy B]

I was.

[Weezy]

Cause I'm not gonna hold you. That's insane.

[Mandy B]

It's insane. But so many people grow up with this story. Like, we were told, don't fuck. But I started fucking at a very young age. Why? Because nobody was teaching me about my body. And so I wanted to know about my body. Nobody was validating me. There wasn't a lot of people who were feeding into me, right? So I felt like I needed to get that from somewhere. And so that's why I started having sex with men. Cause that's what I was told that I had to do. If somebody would have told me that your first sexual experience did not have to be with a man, my life would look completely different.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Girl, mine. I don't count mine. Me and my friends definitely dry humped and played school and teacher and all.

[Mandy B]

This stuff we were too scared to admit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, we were dry humping. Like, we was.

[Mandy B]

I wish I could have boyfriend, Florida.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's called hunching.

[Weezy]

You wasn't hunching. I was hunching with panties, though.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was hunching with panties and clothes. We never, like, actually scissored, but I hunched a lot of girls.

[Mandy B]

I didn't hunch this one girl in fifth grade, but I didn't hunch a girl in fifth grade. But I'm just saying I didn't see that as, like, intimacy and sex. I was like, this is my friend. We're best friends. This is what best friends do. I didn't see it as, like, sexual. It was like, I like this girl because we share everything, you know, Every.

[Weezy]

Gay relationship I know that's successful, like, since We've been writing a book. I was writing about my ex girlfriend and we make jokes about having a sexual experience with this dude and how we're like, oh, I love you, baby. And we look at each other like, bitch, fix my wig. Like, she used to have a lace front. And it's this bestie relationship. Gay man, too. You be like, is that his homeboy?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, I literally get out and I literally don't know if it made it. So in. In the book, there's a whole chapter on. It starts off with me finding how to self pleasure myself. And it talks about the hunching, it talks about the masturbating. It talks about me getting off by reading, like the message boards. That used to be like, huh? Like it put you in the world that you fucked B2K and Chris Brown. Yeah, you know what I mean? You remember them little fanfiction stories.

[Mandy B]

You have porn.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I used to get off by reading.

[Weezy]

I'm 34 years old. I had porn.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, we had porn.

[Weezy]

It might have went, but I.

[Mandy B]

It just looked like they never cleaned their bodies. Well, and those porn.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Back in the day.

[Kendrick Sampson]

And your video didn't finish.

[Weezy]

That's on my part of my fucking introduction.

[Kendrick Sampson]

You be waiting for three hours and then somebody call and try to fax something over. I watched so much porn, I be.

[Weezy]

Pissed that in the introduction of the book I said they had. I went to a computer class in school and the sound came on to like, teach kids, you know, like the keyboard shit. And I started thinking about pussy. Like, literally my brain was like, oh, we're about to watch porn. That's how much that sound. At one point, I remember Van Lathe told me this crazy shit. I wish we talked about it with him when we interviewed him, but he was like, bruh. When I was writing my book, I would open up my computer and be like, oh, yeah, I'm about to look at porn. Like, we associate certain things with sex so much, and I kind of love that. Like, in my childhood, it was not so much in my face. I got to explore pornography on my own. Whereas right now, right now, you go.

[Mandy B]

On Twitter, it's just everything is right here.

[Weezy]

Twitter, TikTok. TikTok is hella sexual. I'm starting to see breastfeeding shit on my Instagram is a way to show titties.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is that sexual?

[Mandy B]

I was like, that's not sexual.

[Weezy]

Oh, you don't see. Oh, you ain't seen no one. I'm talking about, bitch.

[Mandy B]

There's like sexualized sexuality.

[Weezy]

They got Girls with bikinis on, big titties that pull the titty out, feed their kid, and look at the camera. Flirty. Y'all ain't seen this?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No.

[Mandy B]

Some people really get off on it. I haven't seen this one. This one has not been suggested to me. I'm not.

[Weezy]

Look, okay, wait, hold on.

[Mandy B]

I am.

[Weezy]

Titties and eyes. Listen to me. I do have titties on my front. You page a lot.

[Mandy B]

Okay.

[Weezy]

And so for some reason, the breastfeeding started coming up, and I'm like, is this real? And it's like, that is crazy. It's the nipple out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That is crazy. I wanna. I know.

[Weezy]

We both.

[Mandy B]

So fantastic.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I want to get into our hypothetical because we will be talking about reproductive justice and all the things. And this is just to, like, get your. Get your wheels turning. Okay, I'm ready. What you would do in these scenarios, okay, so we're going to start off, like, a little crazy, and then we're going to get a little serious.

[Mandy B]

Okay, let's do it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So the first one is. And I want answers from everyone, okay. If men could have babies, what do you think would be the most outrageous baby shower theme that they'd want to throw?

[Weezy]

Kendrick, go. What's your baby shower?

[Kendrick Sampson]

They were probably the most ridiculous is football with the baby.

[Mandy B]

That's what you took football for me. I was like. They would be like, hut, hut. Like, they would be down there, like, you know, case the baby. Y'all remember what Easter is that on Insecure, though, with that damn baby?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How else did I have.

[Kendrick Sampson]

What did it say? Fuck, yo.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, Fuck them kids.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Fuck them kids.

[Weezy]

Is that. That's what.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She did that on Insecure.

[Mandy B]

She did. She threw the baby.

[Weezy]

Oh, my God.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That is hilarious.

[Mandy B]

Football. Okay, now I gotta find another one because he took football. Okay, he took football.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What do you think would be the most outrageous theme if men could plan baby showers?

[Mandy B]

Oh, man. I don't know. I don't know why the Kappas came. In my mind, for whatever reason, fraternity. I don't know why, but I feel like it would be like a fraternity baby shower. Like, I just see.

[Weezy]

Imagine a Q Dog 1.

[Mandy B]

I just listen.

[Kendrick Sampson]

In a strip club, it would be like.

[Mandy B]

In a strip club, maybe, but I just. Kappas fall into my algorithm all the time. Because in my mind, I want to be a Kappa, and only because I want to do the little roll thing.

[Weezy]

But I have too many things and I can't do it right now. That's a porn, right? You said I got too much shitty for it.

[Mandy B]

I will pay for that. I do have too much. I can't shimmy like them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's all on the shoulders. It's all on the shoulders.

[Mandy B]

I know, but I'm gonna get it together. But anyway, I think a fraternity theme one would actually be the case. Cause I could see, like, the kappas doing, like, an all red and white situation, you know, with little canes and shit. Like, I could see it.

[Weezy]

I could see hookah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not a hookah.

[Mandy B]

You can't do hookah.

[Weezy]

It's like a last hoorah, like, type thing for the baby shower. Like, I don't know.

[Kendrick Sampson]

I just showered. Before or after the child is born?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, the baby shower.

[Weezy]

Are you pregnant?

[Kendrick Sampson]

It's.

[Weezy]

If a man is pregnant, you pregnant at the time?

[Kendrick Sampson]

No, I'm saying. Oh, so you have. It's before the child?

[Mandy B]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Look, men don't even know when the baby showers. That place he like, is it before or after the baby comes? Kendrick said, I ain't been in no baby shower.

[Weezy]

You remember that New York baby shower I went to? My man is Nigerian. So all his family is like fire, right? They're great herbalife. But the friends, Herbalife, they was getting the ski mask. Them n had the chains on, just holding diapers, coming up the stairs. And I was like, oh, my God.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ski masks and key masks to a baby shower.

[Weezy]

It was wintertime. So you know what they wearing?

[Kendrick Sampson]

That's not a given.

[Weezy]

Nah, bruh. It's a New York n Harlem baby shower. My God. Three of them n knew me in there. And they was just like, oh, you easy. And I'm just like, oh, my God, I'm so embarrassed, bitch. They sitting there playing pop smoke. They doing this shit in this fucking baby shower.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But they took the ski masks off, right? Once they got inside, they just pull.

[Weezy]

Them down like rest on the neck.

[Mandy B]

They just keep them all.

[Weezy]

Yo, they had their fucking glasses on. And then you see, just like, you know, the family, like, their parents looking all nice with the traditional African wear. And I'm like, this is so New York, bro. But like, men. So anyway, she didn't have as many friends as he did.

[Mandy B]

Okay?

[Weezy]

And I got to see a man baby shower for the first time. It's kind of the same. They dap you out. They be like, bro, this is it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

N. You did it.

[Weezy]

They all downstairs smoking. It's the same shit.

[Mandy B]

Okay, okay.

[Kendrick Sampson]

The babies ain't gonna be there any type of party.

[Weezy]

The baby shower started in nine years.

[Kendrick Sampson]

It's a bachelor party.

[Mandy B]

The dude is pregnant.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Though the dude is pregnant, so he can't have. Who can't find baby. He about to go.

[Mandy B]

There are some people. I mean, there are some people who believe in marijuana during pregnancy. So, I mean, there's that. But anyway, that's all the conversation.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So a more. A more thoughtful one, by the way. I just think they gonna have a Call of Duty theme. 1. Cause I just swear, motherfuckers, like, they gonna be drinking, drinking baby milk from, like, fake guns and stuff. Like, okay, they gonna have missions. They're gonna have missions set up.

[Weezy]

I like a little water gun. Do I want that bachelorette party bitch, Hennessy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, my God. This next one is more thoughtful.

[Mandy B]

Right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So let's see. In a world where men have babies now, this is where they carry. This is where they do the delivery, all the things.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Okay, okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How do you think the dynamics of parenting would change between moms and dads? And what dynamics do you think would change sexually? Oh, because. And I thought about this. So for me, I think, ironically, the conversation we just had earlier about the condoms, I think men would be far more forthcoming.

[Mandy B]

Ready to wrap it up? Ready.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They were the ones experiencing pregnancy as one of the symptoms. I do think a lot of men don't be scared of the STDs enough, but if they knew what fear pregnancy has in so many people, I think they would be more thoughtful in unprotected sex. Also in the dynamics of parenting.

[Weezy]

That's a damn shame. STDs wouldn't change.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I don't think STDs affects many people's thoughts on sex just yet. The other dynamic that I think would change between the parenting styles is, again, they would be more thoughtful because then they would end up the single daddies, and it would change a lot of the landscapes of the single parent household.

[Mandy B]

Okay. Okay. I can dig it. I think that this might be the way for us to, like, take out patriarchy. Because I think if men had to actually carry a child for nine months and give birth to child, that it's going to change them mentally. I think that's what's gonna shift.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Mandy B]

Cause what I don't think that men realize, and a lot of people don't really, really realize across the board, is that whoever is carrying this child and then bringing this child into the world, they now have this biological chemical connection to this child. And so therefore, you are all. In my opinion, I'm not a doctor, but in my opinion, I feel like you are always going to be more emotionally connected in a particular kind of way. Right. So that means there's more emotional labor that you're putting into this. And I don't think that men take that into consideration sometimes that it's not just like, oh, I'm carrying all the things and I'm changing the baby, feeding the baby and everything. My emotions are connected to this kid in a way that I don't think they would ever understand. And so now if they have to hold that emotional type of weight, I think it's going to shift them mentally. And I think that they may be like, maybe this patriarchy shit is not great.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You saying that. It reminds me of, like, when I see, like, I love, like, documentaries and reading, like, the crazy things that happen in America. So anytime I see, like, a mother who's a bad mom, because those exist where they just don't show up for their child. Or even, like, the Casey Anthony shit that was big when I was growing up in Florida. And I'm just like, something ain't right. Because the scientific connection that you do have with a child, for them to abandon them or not want them around always makes me question, like, baby, what the hell is wrong with you that this hasn't formed a stronger connection.

[Mandy B]

Yeah. And I think that's what we don't think about enough when we. Because we can tie all this shit into, like, the deeper conversations around, like, those people choosing to have abortions and choosing not to parent.

[Weezy]

Girl, that's what I was just saying.

[Mandy B]

You know what I'm saying? Like, everyone doesn't have the capacity.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, I can't be a mama.

[Mandy B]

Everyone does not have the capacity.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Diapers or a vacation? Hell, no.

[Mandy B]

We going on vacation.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I want to hop on a flight tomorrow.

[Mandy B]

Listen, and I don't think that we talk about that enough. I think that there's been a couple people, Like, I've seen people come through my social media feed that's like, fuck this parenting thing. I don't want to do it. I don't want a responsibility. I don't want to do all of that. And I don't think that we should demonize those folks. I think that they're crazy for saying that. I think that we should be commending people who are like, I realize now because, A, I don't want to. B, because I know that I am managing other mental health things. C, because I don't have the emotional bandwidth. D, I don't have the finance, whatever those things are, that they have put deep thought into, because I don't think that that's the part that we take into account with people's abortion stories is that they have put thought.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They put thought into it, into whether.

[Mandy B]

Or not they are going to end a pregnancy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And maybe unfortun personally, sometimes that thinking has to happen fairly quickly, especially now with these laws.

[Weezy]

Let's talk about something testier. I want you to answer this question. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. We always hear or, you know, Sex and the City's my favorite comp for everything in life.

[Mandy B]

Okay.

[Weezy]

Miranda wanted an abortion.

[Mandy B]

Yep.

[Weezy]

Steve was like, do I get a say?

[Mandy B]

Oh, this is a great question.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Kendrick, what are your thoughts on that?

[Weezy]

If abortions could come back and be legal everywhere, if men and women both had to make the choice together, how do you think things would end up? Do you think men should have a say in whether or not an abortion is happening?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ooh.

[Kendrick Sampson]

So the first thing is not if it can come back. We can get abortion legalized.

[Weezy]

When it comes back.

[Kendrick Sampson]

When it comes back.

[Mandy B]

Come on, let's work. We got this work to do.

[Kendrick Sampson]

When we have stronger protections in place. Right. Than we had. Right. Cause it was already fragile if it could be taken away like that. Right.

[Mandy B]

I do.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Um, and no, I mean, if I'm not carrying it now, do I have an opinion? You say, do you have a say? I'm. I'm guessing you mean, should I have any authority over that?

[Weezy]

Well, I'm saying, like, this is all hypothetical world. Right. This is our hypothetical segment. So I'm thinking, what if they said, hey, much like a what if both.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Men and women had to sign, you.

[Weezy]

Both had to sign that this is okay. How do you think men and women would. How do you think that would shift? Do you think we would see less abortions if men had a. Their say to me?

[Kendrick Sampson]

Well, I don't. I think having a signature. If a man. If it has to require a man's signature, it's still oppression. I'm like, what's a better.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What's a better woman's autonomy of her own body?

[Kendrick Sampson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mandy B]

That's the word. Thank you.

[Weezy]

Yep.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Yeah. Because you.

[Mandy B]

Where's autonomy?

[Kendrick Sampson]

Yeah. Yeah. If that's. It's even worse than. I mean, yes, 100%, but even worse than that. It's saying, if I disagree that you have to carry a child for nine months.

[Mandy B]

That's right.

[Weezy]

Because I was gonna say, I feel like the opposite. I feel like women that want to carry and men are necessarily, like, happy with it. I would think we would see an uptick in abortion. I really don't feel that A lot of the scenarios we're seeing where women choose to have a kid alone are necessarily their own. Like, you know what I mean? It's not their fault. It's that this guy's like, yo, you wanna do that? It's up to you. We see that scenario so many times. So when I think about abortion in that way, I'm like, I wonder if the shoe was on the other foot where men had to have the choice as well, are we gonna have this baby together or we're not. Would we see it go up?

[Kendrick Sampson]

Would we see it go down, meaning he has to stick around? Or.

[Weezy]

Well.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Cause what's the commitment.

[Weezy]

There we go, right? That a man has to have? Is it financial?

[Kendrick Sampson]

Yeah, so. Cause we're. I mean, if we. Depending on the American legal system, then we fucked all together, period. So what is the contract you entering into with the person? And then where's the accountability to that contract? Is it the community? Is it, you know, her dad and your parent, are they around? You know what I'm saying?

[Weezy]

Who's helping?

[Kendrick Sampson]

Is it the mom? Is it.

[Mandy B]

Absolutely.

[Kendrick Sampson]

What is the accountability to that? So, I mean, that's why I'm saying the difference between a say, you know, I can have an opinion. I want you to have it. I don't want you to have it. I'm not ready to be a dad. I'm ready to be a dad.

[Weezy]

Oh, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cause I was on the opposite end of that. So in our book, my abortion story leans into the fact that. So I got pregnant, and I knew my body was off. I literally called him, and this is how young I am. I said, how many times you nutted? Cause I count nuts. And he counted five.

[Kendrick Sampson]

I ain't count more than three in the same session.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, we was going.

[Kendrick Sampson]

I was young.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was 16.

[Kendrick Sampson]

I ain't never been that young. Listen, bless. I mean, everybody, hey, if you could do that, great, congratulations.

[Weezy]

But God bless Mandy's new boyfriend.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I love rounds.

[Mandy B]

And I like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I love it so clearly started out the gate.

[Kendrick Sampson]

My bad. I ain't mean to lizard.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Been around lovers since the start. So anyways, I called him, knowing, like, my body felt weird. Like, I just. I felt it in my soul. And I share the story how I call him. I let him know that this happens. And I'm like, I don't want to be a mother. So I need some money for this abortion. And at the time, my mom couldn't afford it, so needed him. My daddy said, figure it out. So I went to him, and I remember him being irate, mind you, we just had sex a couple weeks ago. He already had a daughter or already had a son. He was convinced I had the other sex of the baby. So he was like, you about to kill my son. You bout to kill my. And that was. Oh, I swear to God. That's not funny. You said what?

[Kendrick Sampson]

He was convinced. What?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He was convinced that I was carrying the other sex that he wanted. Like, he wanted another kid. And so when I told him I was pregnant, he was like, oh, I know you carrying my seat. Like, but he was convinced. And I was like, well, I'm not having it. And he chose not to help me at all. And what's crazy is made the best decision of my life. Because the week I even went, nigga phone, like, kept going dead. Talked to his friend, he got locked up. He was a game bank. See, see, named Elmo. Shouldn't have been fucking him anyway.

[Weezy]

But this is also my fault.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This is Weezy's fault for sure.

[Weezy]

We were 16.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We were 16 and we went over to Tampa.

[Weezy]

But he had a friend.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He had a friend.

[Weezy]

Oh, the friend was Elmo.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The friend was Elmo.

[Weezy]

Cause why was it? Cause he was the blood.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He was the blood. I mean, you know, this is getting better. Sesame Street.

[Weezy]

I also just want to add, we are great with the camera on me. We are good people. Gangbangers. Oh, I did fuck that one gang banger nigga three years ago. But that was a one, two time thing and I was in la.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It happens.

[Weezy]

Now hold on, it's in a wall.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Gang bangers are good people too.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Yeah, listen, listen, listen.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm just saying my decision to get an abortion with a man who ended up being locked up while I was pregnant in my first trimester, I'm just glad that it ended up that way. But I say all that to say I was in that predicament where it was my choice, I wanted to do it despite the fact that he actually wanted me to keep it. And because of my decision, he said, I'm not helping you pay for it. I'm against this. And he literally, I remember him yelling at me, you're killing my child. And that happening at such a young age might be why I'm so pro condom now and don't wanna experience it again. I was fucking distraught because it was a decision that I had to make where both my parents also couldn't financially help me. So I'm going into my junior year of high school. I can't afford this.

[Mandy B]

Right, right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He got locked up so my friend who worked at Coldstone literally shout out to Kita, literally had to help me pay from her Coldstone, check.

[Kendrick Sampson]

I was expecting.

[Weezy]

Was it the name Q. Coldstone?

[Mandy B]

Coldstone, shout out to Colds.

[Kendrick Sampson]

I forgot about it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Coldstone, you had paid for my abortion.

[Weezy]

They got that free birth.

[Mandy B]

I hope they align. But, you know, I think the other thing that. What comes up in your story.

[Kendrick Sampson]

I know, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was like, right, Cold stone better align.

[Mandy B]

Check and see. But what comes up for me in your story is this. It's about this, you know, because we hear this a lot in the stories and the work that we do around reproductive justice a lot. And it's like, we've been trying to. Which is why, you know, this work with Kendrick has been so dope, is that we're trying to bridge this gap between, like, men coming into this conversation and where do their stories really fit, Right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Where does it fit?

[Mandy B]

But I think that what I've heard continuously is that these men saying, well, I wanted them to have this baby. And so I interrogate that a little bit, right? It's like, well, did you have the conversation with this person that you're choosing to have sex with, telling them what your reproductive desires were, that you actually want to have a kid? Because most of the times, a lot of these dudes are choosing women who are beautiful. Because I know you was fine. Cause you still fine, right? So you find they see these women, they give them the look that they want, and they want to create these babies with these women that look a particular kind of way that can continue their seed and make them look really dope and all these other kinds of things. And that's actually very manipulative to go into sexual connection with somebody like that. If you know that you want a kid and you know the person that you was with don't, then why are you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And we didn't have that conversation. I was. I was young and dumb with the belief I just started having sex.

[Weezy]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm not gonna get pregnant in year one. You know, Like, I was just like.

[Weezy]

Stone fact here, wholestone.

[Mandy B]

Okay?

[Weezy]

Not only are they involved in politics, okay. The owner of Cold Stone, Doug Ducey, is a Republican politician.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh.

[Weezy]

Who's the governor of Arizona. Also backing Trump. Supporting Trump.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, you know what? Mr. Duce, the owner was Mr. Ducey.

[Kendrick Sampson]

I mean, will that make it even better? I love it.

[Mandy B]

Ducey.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You paid for my abortion.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Yeah. Boom, boom, boom. Cold Stone.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Thank you for that.

[Weezy]

Sponsored by.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Sponsored by co. Speaking of Republicans and all the things normally we Play a clip for our reactionary. And I need your Kendrick specifically because he was unaware that this was a thing. So back in January, of course, immediately following Trump getting in the motherfucking office, Ms. decided to introduce a bill that would fine unprotected sex. So the bill is around. Contraception begins at erection.

[Mandy B]

So Mississippi got.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Mississippi is embarrassing. They might be more embarrassing than Florida. Okay?

[Weezy]

That Bible is big and on the belt. Listen, them niggas said, don't even get a hard dick.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So a bill to ban unprotected sex without the intent of procreation has been filed. Here's the surprise by a Democrat in the Mississippi Senate. The bill is called Contraception begins at Erection Act. And while the bill has called snarky jokes to be jabbed, the bill's author acknowledged the intent is to get a political rise, of course, but also for people who are against abortion to finally have reasons as to why the fuck they're planning these stops on women. So I went into this, and it says that basically they would introduce bounty hunters and give incentives to women who are having sex with a man who maybe hasn't talked about their needs and desires to procreate. And a woman could go and pretty much submit him to be arrested because his intent was to have sex with her without the purpose of procreation. Now, when he was reading into this, we were like, okay, so can a man jack off then? Like, is a man able to ejaculate also without the desire to have sex? I don't know if it went as hard as the jack off part, but it's what the.

[Kendrick Sampson]

That's what the language was.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But the language was around. You can't ejaculate unless you want to have a baby.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Weezy]

Which then he's like, semen retention is so hotep, which is not very disease, but it's hotep. It's so hotel.

[Mandy B]

It's so about the birth of a nation. That's what it's about, bruh.

[Weezy]

Oh, my God, you're right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Have you ever retained your semen?

[Kendrick Sampson]

Absolutely.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What was the reason? What was you retaining semen for edging?

[Kendrick Sampson]

Feels good.

[Weezy]

Oh, okay, look, that's sexual.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We all said, oh, it's pleasure.

[Mandy B]

It's pleasure.

[Kendrick Sampson]

And sometimes it's exhausting. You come and you like, I'm shit. I don't want to do nothing after that.

[Weezy]

I want to tell you some teeth so bad. I dated an actor in LA that I never had sex with. For a few months. We dated. He's great too, you know, and we didn't have sex?

[Mandy B]

No.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Nobody didn't. Uh.

[Weezy]

Uh. You gonna be like, really? He didn't want to have sex because he was doing semen retention because he had a role coming up. I was like, nigga, you're not a fighter in the movie. Like, this is a love story. What the fuck, dawg? I was so fucking mad.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Maybe you wanted to really look passionate.

[Kendrick Sampson]

I ain't gonna lie to you anything. I mean, you'll have men about to take a test, you know, I mean, like, in school and for real. For real. It is. It encompasses your whole focus.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It does.

[Kendrick Sampson]

I told you back then when I came, when I want to fuck, I want to fuck, and I can't focus on nothing else but fucking. And if I want to put everything into a goal, you know, something that I'm trying to achieve and be productive, because if I don't, then ain't nobody gonna want to fuck, right?

[Mandy B]

At one point, I need to have it.

[Weezy]

You're feeling your hard dick in the bed, and you can't. And then. Oh, my God, Kendrick, I swear to God, one day this production house was like, listen, we want to do a rewrite. I was like, we fucking. You rewrite that motherfucker and we fucking.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You think I talked about it, but no, I do. It's. And maybe this is where I know we get into, like, the gender war topic of it all and how men and women are different, but you may actually be. Maybe that's like a chemical thing with men. Cause, like, back in the day, when I was dealing with athletes. Oh, playoffs. I got no dick. They was focused on winning a ring.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Because they want more. They want their testosterone.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They want everything.

[Weezy]

We got money on them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

They need their legs to work.

[Weezy]

But have you ever had sex and try. A few weeks ago. Shout out to trap house Coming.

[Kendrick Sampson]

You can also screw up your back and other things.

[Weezy]

That's bullshit.

[Kendrick Sampson]

No, it is not.

[Weezy]

No, I just. Before a workout, I was tired.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know what Kendrick did say he ain't never been young, so. Nigga, you might just be talking from an old man's eye.

[Kendrick Sampson]

I am. I am. I got herniated discs and shit.

[Weezy]

That leather jacket do. Look. See? Monica's is new and trendy. Yours look like vintage.

[Kendrick Sampson]

It is.

[Weezy]

See?

[Mandy B]

Oh, my God. This is a lot of dick. Monica.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Monica.

[Weezy]

We want to talk about Brazil.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can I ask. You love this so much as in, I guess there's three women here.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Did we ever get to the.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Have we ever. What happened?

[Kendrick Sampson]

The headline?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, no, no, no. Well, I wanted to Go from that to actually asking both of you, especially because this is what y'all do. Are there any laws that have been passed that actually do stop or hinder a man from having autonomy of his decisions with his body? Like, I'm curious to know, like, knowing that this was passed, but also just to get a uprise, but also knowing Roe v. Wade was like, was reversed, knowing that it's kind of easy right now for them to say, women can't do this, women can't do that. Is there any law that exists that does limit a man's decision with what he does?

[Mandy B]

I honestly don't know. And I. Because. But what I do know is that we have been trying to track and find where people are trying to flip the script in some of these ways.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Mandy B]

But what is also very real about the different state houses, because a lot of these things are happening at the state level.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

At the state level.

[Mandy B]

Right. What's true about these state houses is that they are still very much overwhelmingly ran by white men. Right. And so to move a bill that would put any pressure on them is damn near impossible. Like, in the state of Georgia, we're trying to move, like, progressive maternal health, and that's still impossible. Right. Like, it's still an uphill battle to even get midwives credentialing, like our community based midwives together. Like, I mean, all of those fights are still hard. So to think about trying to do something that we know is going to, like, put them on the defense is damn near impossible to think about because the legislatures are not set up that way in most of our most impacted states right now.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I ain't gonna hold you. I signed this bill. I want it passed. Kendrick, would you. Would this bother you at all if this.

[Kendrick Sampson]

So here's my thing. I mean, I don't encourage any more incarceration, any more policing.

[Mandy B]

Okay.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Okay. I don't encourage anybody to encourage bounty hunters to do anything.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay. Valid. I would not.

[Kendrick Sampson]

I don't wanna give the state any more power than it has to do the damage that it does. So that's fair. I don't believe in.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You said that. Now I take my answer back. It's more police.

[Kendrick Sampson]

I don't believe in police. I don't believe in pr. Like, to be real. I think all that shit could work.

[Weezy]

But you don't believe in any prison prisons, police?

[Kendrick Sampson]

I am. Yeah. Abolitionist.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, wow.

[Kendrick Sampson]

I think that, you know, there's not accountability in it. If there was an accountability in this legal system, then somebody would have been held accountable for Slavery.

[Weezy]

Hold on, wait. We got to go a little bit deeper than no prison.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I like it.

[Kendrick Sampson]

We can.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I disagree. I believe definitely in prison.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Yeah. So you trust the racist ass shit.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let me tell you. I don't trust anybody.

[Kendrick Sampson]

That's what I'm saying.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But to me, it's the.

[Kendrick Sampson]

No, no, no. What you're saying is that you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ooh, I like this talk.

[Kendrick Sampson]

You trust the death penalty, which means.

[Mandy B]

Who'S killing people and who's making that choice.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Who's making that choice.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So unfortunately, you can be human.

[Kendrick Sampson]

I'm not saying I'm not a non violent person. Okay, so let me make it clear. I don't trust white supremacist institutions to have the responsibility to do anything and to have the yes or no over anybody's life.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Agreed.

[Kendrick Sampson]

And I believe that these state government I set up to be that and the federal government is very much a system steeped in white delusion and violence and created by white supremacists, people who were. I don't like saying supremacists because it makes them feel supreme or like that we think that they're supreme. When we don't, we know that they don't. They're not, and we know that it's delusion. Sonya Renee Taylor called white delusion.

[Mandy B]

White delusionism.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Yeah, white delusionism. And so, you know, when I'm thinking about that bill, it seems more like satire. It seemed like an Onion article where they trying to say, like, you know, what if we criminalize men the same way that we add, you know, a violent or harmful consequence to women for a choice that they should have.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know how I actually view this not as much as satire, but also kind of what y'all do to get an uprise and have these conversations at. If you flip the script, because so many people can look into like the Bible for reasons and all these other reasons and just how women have been perceived throughout history.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But to actually say, this is a bill I want passed, what it does is it creates the conversation like these.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Yeah, no, no, no.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

A man can actually.

[Kendrick Sampson]

That's why I think it's satire. Satire is good. You know, I think it's good to. I don't necessarily. I'm not saying that I don't know the Democrat. I don't know who's. Who's doing. I don't know their intention and who they're connected to.

[Mandy B]

Because these types of things, if you're trying to insert some type of cultural intervention, as I like to call them, in the work That I do, but. Or satire, whatever it may be, then you have to be connected to the people. Right? And so I don't know if it's Democrat either. So we don't know if, like, if they're connected to community. Have they talked to people about this? Because if you're gonna, like, create some.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Funding, Planned Parenthood, like, we just don't know.

[Mandy B]

So if you're, if you're, if you're trying to put something in the community to, like, cause some level of disruption, then what are you doing to ensure that when you cause a disruption that you're creating some level of safety around those that are gonna inevitably. The one. Inevitably, inevitably be the ones who will be impacted the most? Because that's what's gonna happen in this type of bill. It's not gonna be the white supremacists or white delusionists. Right. That we are going to get caught up in this potentially. It will be our black brothers. It will be queer and trans people. It will be those people that they are going to try to demonize more. It doesn't work in our favor.

[Kendrick Sampson]

They're always gonna use it against us. And I do think that, you know, I agree with you that I think it's useful in conversation to say, hey, you know, this is the impact that it's having on women. This is the impact it's having specifically on black women. This is the disproportionate or whatever, however you want to frame that around the truth. Right. But if you have the same accountability, and I don't want to call it accountability because it's not really. It's just a threat. It's violence, it's harm. You know, it's not proportionate to what is happening. Right. It's making something a crime. I don't like using these big words like criminalization. It's making something a crime. That's not a crime. You know what I'm saying?

[Mandy B]

To have a hard pawn.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Well, I was talking about abortion, but. Yeah, but absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If I get hard, you know, and I come. I mean, I would have got. I would have got arrested yesterday, but, you know, if you weren't missing. If I was a Mississippi, they would.

[Weezy]

Have got you at the poke in them pants.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That is crazy.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Yeah. So, you know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hey, guys, we're taking a break from this week's episode to let you know that your favorite podcast duo has a book coming out.

[Weezy]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Weezy]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can I ask you a question? With what you're doing with having these conversations with the organizations, with making headway, how important is it for men to also be in these conversations? For them to join these groups, for them to be marching? I know as women, unfortunately I do feel like our voices are still stunted in so many areas. I mean from us being vocalists for sexual liberation were immediately shut down because men are like, well nobody cares about you hoes. As soon as hoes have a goddamn opinion. We don't give a fuck how important.

[Weezy]

These ho ass niggas. Men talking.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh no, they. Oh. When we went on the Breakfast Club just our the way we want to be ethically non monogamous the voices from men were so loud and their views on us had.

[Weezy]

Can I be honest?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You thought it was a lot of women too. Yeah, I think women we could talk about inequitably being paid in. In the workplace. We can talk about people not wanting us to live or be sexual beings.

[Weezy]

But if men were doing what we were doing on the Breakfast Club that day, talking about being healthy, being an ethical non monogamous relationship, enjoying sharing sexual stories.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How to demonize a Neo right now.

[Mandy B]

Oh yeah.

[Weezy]

They're not demonizing Kofi though.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes they are.

[Weezy]

No, I don't see that. And I'm gonna tell you why.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Kofi. That's why.

[Weezy]

No, Kofi was able to answer talk about his life in an eloquent way. When Neo's sitting there kissing three bitches, posting it for content. It's different when you're for example, the throuple I was in worshiped us, talked about us like we were goddesses, was excited to share what we were doing in our lives and having a different type of respect for us. Something I even talk about in a book. I feel like we dropping the book too much.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I do.

[Mandy B]

You better drop something.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't bitch, we Got something to say. No holds barred. A dual manifesto on sexual exploration.

[Mandy B]

There you go. Get it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Now make sure you support your independent black owned bookstores by purchasing Now.

[Weezy]

I feel like I'm doing a press release and so. Nah. So we were out to eat and this dude was like, yeah, I see you. You got two bitches with you. Da, da, da. And he was like, what? Nigga starts blacking and was like, yo, I really don't like that I'm showing affection at the same time. And n just looking at me like, I paid for some bitches. I'm with two hoes. Like, this is not my reality. And I don't think you have a lot of those men. I don't know if Neo's that guy. I don't think Neo is presenting himself as that guy. I think a lot of the ways that his relationship seems. It doesn't even seem like all women are together all the time. Like, I get it's, you're dating a rich nigga, but to me, I'm not seeing the same cadence as Kofi had and people that have the language about ethical non monogamy as what Neo's doing. Not that I give a shit. Hope it is.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I guess this is my question then back to, like, men being a part of the speaker and a part of these voices. Kendrick, when you're around your homeboys, when you're in spaces where. Whether you're playing cards, whether y'all drinking, whether you're just hanging out, are there ever any conversations about abortions? Are there conversations about ethical non monogamy? Like, are these actual conversations happening with men that you know? And it's. And I ask if they're men that you know because. Because it's visible that you are out here and that you fighting for the rights. I wanna know how hard it is to bring just the people that you know into what you're. What you're fighting for.

[Kendrick Sampson]

So shout out to Kofi. What's up, man? I love you, brother.

[Weezy]

We do too.

[Kendrick Sampson]

I don't know. I ain't know nothing about the conversation. But no, we like. I don't know what he.

[Mandy B]

Oh, yeah, coffee.

[Kendrick Sampson]

I'm just saying. I don't know. Come on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The decisions, decisions, power.

[Kendrick Sampson]

So I don't know what. But as far as me, so I have. We have an organization called Build Power.

[Weezy]

Build.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Not bald, not bold.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Not bald, not bold, not bold, but building. You know, we building shit up. And one of our programs, our anchor partner here, Sister Song. Sister Song is called Black Pleasure. And it's centered around Adrienne Maree Brown's, you know, access, you know, pleasure, activism. And those types of conversations where we understand, like you were talking about earlier, that pleasure is tied to in this country, especially race, economy, right? Economic status. And it makes it seem like the ultra wealthy, like, you know, the musks and all these other abusive and evil fools, billionaires, multi billionaires are the ones that can afford and deserve access to pleasure, as if they work so much harder than people in factories and shit, Right? And that you. That a vacation or traveling or whatever it is, that pleasurable life is unaffordable, and it's something that needed to be bought, and it has a monetary value to it. And so if you don't have big money, then you don't have big pleasure. And that's just not how it should be. Pleasure is part of health. And if, like, we're sitting here talking about abortion being the baseline of our rights and sexual liberation, we're stuck on harm and how people are criminalizing folks. We can't ever get to pleasure, which is the place that we should be healthiest, right? And living a pleasurable life. That's what we deserve. And black people specifically, even in the. You think about black pleasure, you think about taboo, you think about blackness, you think about how negative, how our bodies were sexualized, but how healthy is blackness? How deep is blackness? You know what I'm saying? How the dark is good. You know what I'm saying? I love the nighttime too, you know, and so we talk a lot about that. And even in my family, I've got people in my family transitioning, questioning their genders. There's different racial makeups, and they're trying to understand who they are and what they believe about it. And I also have, like, really harmful people in my family, you know, people who are, you know, homophobic, probably homophobic, super Republican, you know, I have all types of, you know, points of view, and usually I'm the one that they come to to talk about the difficult conversations. And my homies, I love that. Yeah. And my homies. And I've been like that for a while.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do you find it easy to have these conversations with men specifically or they don't want to have?

[Kendrick Sampson]

For me, men will come to me to have the conversation.

[Weezy]

So we need more men that are. We need more, like, we have to.

[Mandy B]

Create the safe spaces.

[Kendrick Sampson]

I'm talking to a lot of people right now. Men who are considering their partner, you know, is thinking about opening up their relationship. They're thinking about opening up A relationship they don't want to open up the relationship they do want, you know, whatever it is. And it's been like a recurring thing because people's consciousness are really starting to focus, especially right now, because everything is inflation, everything is so chaotic that we're starting to think about, oh, I was on the. I keep telling this story. I was on the stage with you and we said. When Dominique and all them was backstage and I said, build power is about building. We talk about building power around things that are most important. And everybody was like, m. And I was like, why is that so profound? I'm like sitting there thinking, like, why is that? I thought I said some real shit before this.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This is the first time sex.

[Kendrick Sampson]

And so we want. Exactly. I was like, we build empower. And we think we have two other programs around state violence and labor and mental health as well. But we're talking about what's most important, right? And I was wondering. I said it again because I got that reaction. I was like, we build power around things that are most important. And everybody's like, mmm, I think.

[Weezy]

Cause it's male led.

[Kendrick Sampson]

No, it's because all of the systems that we have are built around things that are not important. They're all built around harmful shit. They're all built around. It's so much easier to get unhealthy shit than it is to get healthy shit.

[Weezy]

That's a great point.

[Kendrick Sampson]

You know what I'm saying?

[Weezy]

How do y'all feel our systems and.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Economy should be built around? It should be built around shit that we like, you know, I need to take a piss, I need to eat, I need shelter, I need. You know, those are the things that we should be building economy around. So I think.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And sex and sex, literally food and sex.

[Weezy]

Sounds great. Sex, please get us a little healthier food, sex.

[Kendrick Sampson]

You know what I'm saying?

[Mandy B]

And I think for us, this is why this is important for us. You know, we do this reproductive justice work. And I know that might be a newer way of people hearing this work because a lot of people are in reproductive health and rights and they think Planned Parenthood, they think of like, you know, these other organizations that have. That have historically been white led organizations, right? Which no diss to them. They doing their job. No dissimilar. But reproductive justice was created by black women. I love that in 1994, y'all. So 30 years ago, black women were sitting at a table saying, how do we ensure that bodily autonomy and human rights are at the forefront, right? And so that does Mean that we want to make sure that we have the human right to not have children. And we need to make sure abortion access is not just a federal right that only gave us a small portion of what we needed because access was not guaranteed, but that we have it to the fullest extent. How do we make sure that we can have the children that we want in the ways that we want? Right. Where are our midwives? Where are our birth workers? Where are the people outside of this?

[Weezy]

Oh, there you go. I was like, children, wait a week.

[Mandy B]

Yes. Because I think most people think the only way you can have a baby is you go to the hospital and you have a baby. And that's not true.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No.

[Mandy B]

Right. It's not.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Have it in your living room, in.

[Mandy B]

The pool, wherever you want. You know what I'm saying?

[Weezy]

I have so many opinions about that girl.

[Mandy B]

Oh, I'm so excited to talk about it. But.

[Kendrick Sampson]

And it's actually less healthy in the hospital usually.

[Mandy B]

I mean, we are dying in the hospital.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Yeah. 100.

[Mandy B]

We are dying in Texas for.

[Weezy]

I actually want more doulas. Just more requirements. My experience, what I've been hearing about doulas is that people that are deciding to be at home and have complications, that doula's not as experienced. And we have a lot of people that are popping up from that spiritual realm of I'm gonna do this bathtub work, crystals, whatever. I really want more kids to be born at home. I think we just need a little more of a requirement there.

[Mandy B]

I agree. I think you gotta really make training. But I think you need to think about where you're getting your doula from. Are you just getting a sister who is selling crystals at the owner's home?

[Weezy]

That's what it is.

[Mandy B]

Which there's no diss of that. Maybe you're a dope ass doula, but are you actually going to people who have been trained? Ancient Song Doula Services is right here in New York City. This is a black woman led organization. Chanel Portia, who has been training doulas for years. There are so many different places. Right. That we are actually training people up there.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Let's talk about sex.

[Mandy B]

Absolutely.

[Weezy]

Doulas got a little.

[Mandy B]

No, no, no. Not all doulas. But I will tell you this though. We have our national let's talk about Sex conference, which is the largest sexual and reproductive justice conference in the country.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hello. When is it?

[Mandy B]

Is next year.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Come on.

[Mandy B]

So y'all will be in the building. Last year, Kendrick was there. We had some really dope folks and Lil Kim came through. It was dope. We had a good time. But we, our doulas and our midwives were in the room. Georgia has, has, has, has the longest standing grand midwives in the country. These are midwives who've been catching babies for over 40 plus years. They, they, we, we exist in our communities. So I do think that you need to be very clear about who you are getting to take care of you. And one of the most precious, sacred moments of your life.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, y'all better get out by doing something.

[Weezy]

I was just gonna say, I feel like Erica could talk to me because she really.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Yeah, but yeah, I think.

[Mandy B]

Well, she was trained by Shafia Monroe, who is over the International center for Traditional Childbirth. Right.

[Weezy]

So she gonna catch that baby.

[Mandy B]

So she gonna do what she gotta do.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

Who is a grand midwife.

[Kendrick Sampson]

I think that there's like. So when we were talking about like mental health, state violence and sex and bill power, it was, it's. I thought of those as the areas, if you think about sex, politics and religion that we're taught not to talk about, right? And they're also the areas where we think of where we really reveal our values, right. The most. That's where you're intimate and you don't, when your vote is your personal belief. So you don't talk about politics. Sex is between whoever you're in the room with. And it's supposed to be intimate space. So we don't talk about that. And that's also where you show how you really treat people when they're in their most vulnerable state. Right? And then religion, same thing, right? Like when you think about mental health and you're thinking about religion, spirituality, that's where you get your values, right? And that's playing out on a national level with this foolish Christian nationalism bullshit.

[Mandy B]

Is trying to take us out every single day.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And we don't, we don't want that to happen.

[Kendrick Sampson]

But I think if we have more systems and support and community centered around those things around sex, then you would have more support for the system, the doulas that already. There are strong networks of doulas that already exist. And I don't necessarily think it's much more about training as support, community wide for the thought of that, for people's minds to be open.

[Weezy]

No, we don't need support in the community. We need you to go a little more.

[Mandy B]

Let me tell y'all, this work that I do, I'm in rooms with like civil rights leaders. I'm in rooms with folks who are, you know, Working to abolish all the. All the things I'm in all these different rooms, and in every. In a lot of these rooms that I'm in, it is still difficult for people to have the conversations like this.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right, right.

[Mandy B]

And so we want to talk about voting rights, which we have to. We want to talk about the economics of a thing, because we have to. But what we are not talking about is how bodily autonomy is something that runs through all of these issues, and we want to run away from it. And so I get sometimes in those rooms, and it's like, here comes the lesbian ass girl talking about dicks and pussies again. And she talking about abortion. Like, I'm that person in the room which sometimes ostracizes me, you know, from my community. But I'm committed to making sure that if we are all fighting for black liberation, which I think that that's what our civil rights leaders want. I think that's what all of our folks working across these different movements want. If we are trying to abolish these systems of patriarchy and the white delusion and all the things. Right, Then we cannot do that without centering bodily autonomy, sexual health, pleasure, sexual freedom, all of that. Because what we will do is we'll create a world where we can vote, right? And we can have the money that we desire, but we will still be locked up in all of this trauma around our bodies and all the things that we were taught or not taught or told or not told, and we would then recreate the same thing that we just tried to break ourselves away from. So if we don't center that, we have to center that. So if you were talking about voting, if you're talking about civil rights, if you're talking about, you know, human rights and all those different things.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Climate, anything.

[Mandy B]

Climate, any of that, you have to bring it back to the center of bodily autonomy, being able to make our own decisions about our bodies, our families, and our future.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And that's a mic drop right there.

[Weezy]

That's it.

[Mandy B]

That's it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Mic drop. Monica Kendrick.

[Mandy B]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Thank y'all for goddamn joining us.

[Mandy B]

Thank you for having us.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I know that you done took us to school. We done debated a little bit. All the things.

[Mandy B]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can you let. Before we get out, our listeners know where they can find you and how they can be a part of the movement for sure.

[Mandy B]

So please look out for us. We [e-mail], also Sistersongwoc. We have powerful programming around all things reproductive justice, in particular, our Trust Black Women campaign. That is out here building a national movement of black women and those who love us, who are ready to fight against any attack on our reproductive and sexual freedom. So we have lots of things coming down the pipe. Our national conferences coming back next year. So follow us. SisterSongWoc, SisterSong.net, you can also be a member. We have members across every state of this country and beyond. And we are building the largest movement of folks that look like us, period, willing to be on the front lines for this.

[Weezy]

I just want to say. Kendra, Monica tapped the titty. Did you see that?

[Mandy B]

I did my video.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She heals them titties. So. Hey. Okay, now, eyes, eyes. You want to let them know what to join you, support you, follow you.

[Kendrick Sampson]

Yeah, Kendrick, 38, is me. But make sure y'all follow. Oh, I guess I should. Build power. B, L, D P W R. Where you know we gonna be doing. Doing a lot of things. Build power. We gonna be doing a lot in. Especially in Houston. You know, my birthday coming up. You know what I'm saying?

[Mandy B]

I'll be there.

[Weezy]

This ain't about your birthday. This is about.

[Kendrick Sampson]

My birthday is on international women's Day. So it is about.

[Weezy]

Did you get Pisces? I am too.

[Kendrick Sampson]

And we're gonna have one of our biggest fundraisers of the year on that day.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So I love it. And y'all, for women's history month, what you should also do is get our goddamn book. That's right. No holds barred. A dual manifesto on sexual liberation and power written by yours truly. Again, make sure you support black owned, brown owned, independent and or women owned local bookstores to do so. If not, you could also go to Barnes and Nobles and all the other things. Just make sure you support us. Also, if you want bonus content, check us out on Patreon. That's patreon.com Horrible Dasiziones. And y'all, we hope that you are leaving this conversation empowered and educated. Baby, look it up like I do all the endings of movies when I watch them. Anyways, y'all, this has been another episode of decisions.

[Weezy]

Bye, everybody.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We out.

[Mandy B]

Peace, y'all.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Bye.

[Weezy]

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