EP 427: Between the Sheets and the Pages Ft. Traci (The Stacks Podcast)

Summary

Podcast Title: Decisions, Decisions
Episode: EP 427: Between the Sheets and the Pages Ft. Tracee (The Stacks Podcast)
Release Date: June 30, 2025
Hosts: Mandii B and WeezyWTF
Guest: Tracee, Host of The Stacks Podcast

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Introduction and Guest Arrival (00:40 - 01:12)

In this episode of Decisions, Decisions, hosts Mandii B and WeezyWTF warmly welcome Tracee, the host of The Stacks Podcast. Mandii shares how she discovered Tracee through a humorous and relatable clip, emphasizing Tracee's authenticity and literary prowess.

Notable Quote:
Mandy: "I saw this clip of Tracee and I just wanted to talk to her or follow her because the clip was so funny. And then I realized, oh, my God, this does books."
(Timestamp: 01:01)

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Navigating Motherhood and Privacy (01:12 - 03:51)

The conversation delves into the complexities of modern motherhood, particularly the challenges of forming genuine friendships among moms who often focus solely on their children. Tracee expresses her desire to maintain privacy regarding her own kids, highlighting the importance of setting boundaries.

Notable Quotes:
Tracee: "There are moms who want to be friends. I don't want to be friends. I have friends and I will ignore."
(Timestamp: 01:49)

Mandy: "How do you know who to talk to about your kids? It's crazy."
(Timestamp: 03:27)

Weezy: "None of my friends talk to me about their kids because I could care less."
(Timestamp: 03:30)

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Tracee's Insights on Her Husband's Work (03:51 - 14:30)

Tracee introduces her husband, affectionately referred to as Mr. Stacks, an OBGYN. She shares a gripping story from his days working at a county hospital, where a woman presented with a crack pipe fused in her vagina. This harrowing experience underscores the unpredictable and often shocking nature of medical practice in underserved areas.

Notable Quotes:
Tracee: "A woman came in, she had an object in her vagina. And the police had also come, like, after her. Holy shit."
(Timestamp: 12:46)

Mandy: "What’s the craziest one?"
(Timestamp: 12:55)

Tracee: "They had to do a full surgery. You have to cut because it was fused to the tissue. So it was really bad."
(Timestamp: 13:42)

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Personal Stories and Boundaries (14:30 - 21:04)

The hosts share personal anecdotes related to maintaining physical boundaries and the humorous yet awkward situations that arise from them. Weezy narrates a story about accidentally getting makeup sponges stuck, highlighting the importance of cautiousness and seeking help when necessary.

Notable Quotes:
Weezy: "I can't get these fucking sponges out my pussy."
(Timestamp: 19:35)

Mandy: "Can you imagine the knock on that? She’s like."
(Timestamp: 19:47)

Tracee: "How do you really connect the dots with this?"
(Timestamp: 69:05)

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The Love for Reading and Book Preferences (21:04 - 32:00)

Tracee discusses her voracious reading habits, averaging 8 to 12 books a month. She emphasizes the diversity of her reading choices, ranging from classic literature to contemporary non-fiction. The conversation touches on favorite genres, with a particular focus on Tracee's enthusiasm for dense, substantial narratives like Count of Monte Cristo.

Notable Quotes:
Tracee: "My real true, most preferred way is actually to have all three [physical, digital, audiobook] going at once of the same book."
(Timestamp: 11:04)

Mandy: "How long did it take you to readNo Holds Barred?"
(Timestamp: 10:22)

Tracee: "I read it in two days."
(Timestamp: 10:27)

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Deep Dive into Erotica and Its Evolution (32:00 - 63:35)

The hosts transition into an in-depth discussion about erotica, exploring its history and evolution. Mandii outlines how erotica was marginalized during the Victorian era but gained mainstream acceptance in the 20th century with authors like Kate Chopin and Henry Miller. They also discuss the distinction between erotica and pornography, noting how societal perceptions have shaped their definitions.

Notable Quotes:
Mandy: "Erotica took a hit during the Victorian era... it didn't get mainstream again until the 20th century."
(Timestamp: 51:20)

Weezy: "I used to watch Addicted by Zayn, and the way my mind and pussy work together while I read it..."
(Timestamp: 52:21)

Tracee: "I think erotica and erotic lit also just like to stay on. My theme is interesting because with Booktok now, there's sort of like this reclamation of horny books."
(Timestamp: 61:23)

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Interracial Dating and Racial Identity (35:00 - 50:00)

A significant portion of the episode tackles the nuances of interracial dating, particularly focusing on the dynamics between black men and white women versus white men and black women. Tracee shares her personal experience as the product of a black father and white mother, discussing the societal expectations and internal conflicts that come with mixed racial identities. The conversation also critiques public figures like Meghan Markle, questioning societal perceptions of race and beauty.

Notable Quotes:
Tracee: "I'm the product of a black man and a white woman... Loving miscegenation right here."
(Timestamp: 36:11)

Mandy: "We don't really give black people a space to be. Like, I didn't really know."
(Timestamp: 40:54)

Tracee: "I have a lot of thoughts about Meghan Markle... she wishes she could pass. That's what I hate about her because we see you."
(Timestamp: 48:40)

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Further Exploration of Erotica and Literary Analysis (50:00 - 63:35)

The discussion returns to erotica, examining its representation in classical literature and modern media. The hosts compare literary erotica like the Kama Sutra and Shunga to contemporary erotica found in romance novels and fan fiction. They analyze how language and descriptive techniques in erotica differ from explicit pornography, highlighting the artistic and philosophical elements that elevate erotica as a respected genre.

Notable Quotes:
Mandy: "The Kama Sutra… it's so much more philosophical than sexual."
(Timestamp: 57:10)

Weezy: "In the book, I talk about how meeting a community of people that viewed sex as art helped to transform my brain to view it that way."
(Timestamp: 60:28)

Tracee: "But a lot of romance books are now bringing in more... like, closed door romance or open door."
(Timestamp: 62:13)

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Closing Remarks and Guest Promotion (63:35 - End)

As the episode wraps up, the hosts invite listeners to explore Tracee’s Stacks Podcast and highlight the importance of making literature accessible and relatable. Tracee emphasizes her mission to demystify books and encourage everyone to engage with diverse literary works without feeling intimidated.

Notable Quotes:
Tracee: "I try not to ever let anyone feel like they're too dumb for books."
(Timestamp: 70:40)

Mandy: "Thank you guys for having me. This was fun."
(Timestamp: 71:07)

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Key Takeaways

• Authenticity in Motherhood: The episode sheds light on the genuine struggles of being a mom and the complexities of forming authentic friendships in maternal circles.

• Medical Anecdotes: Tracee shares intense stories from her husband's OBGYN practice, highlighting the unpredictable nature of medical professions in underserved communities.

• Passion for Reading: Both hosts express a deep love for reading, discussing their diverse literary preferences and the significance of making books accessible to all.

• Erotica vs. Pornography: A thorough exploration of erotica’s evolution, its artistic merit, and its distinction from pornography, emphasizing the genre's rightful place in mainstream literature.

• Interracial Dynamics: The conversation delves into the societal perceptions and personal experiences surrounding interracial relationships, particularly focusing on racial identity and acceptance.

• Promoting Literary Inclusivity: Tracee advocates for breaking down barriers in the literary world, encouraging listeners to embrace diverse genres and authors without shame or hesitation.

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Listener Recommendations:

• Tracee’s Podcast: The Stacks Podcast – Dive deeper into book discussions, literary analyses, and diverse conversations about literature and life.
  Find Tracee at: thestaxpodcast.com and Instagram @thestaxpodcast

• Books Mentioned:

  • No Holds Barred by Mandii B and WeezyWTF
  • Count of Monte Cristo by Alexandre Dumas
  • Song of Solomon by Toni Morrison
  • Into Thin Air by Jon Krakauer
  • Animal Farm by George Orwell

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Transcript

[Mandy]

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[Weezy]

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[Mandy]

Welcome to Decisions. Decisions.

[Weezy]

I don't think you should say decisions. It sounded like you was talking. It cursed him.

[Mandy]

You definitely say the welcome.

[Weezy]

Welcome to the new podcast.

[Mandy]

All right. You want to say it together? Decisions, decisions. Hey everybody.

[Weezy]

Welcome to another episode sewed up the Sizzios. The Sizzio.

[Mandy]

We are not you putting the glasses on the authors. Oh, my God. These are the authors of no holds Part. And we are sitting with Tracy, the host of the Stacks podcast.

[Weezy]

That's right.

[Mandy]

And I want to play you the clip of how I found you because I just thought so. We had Brian Brandon Cosmon and if you don't remember his episode, it may have been like last year, maybe even two years ago. It was a while ago. Oh, there's his book.

[Weezy]

Yeah. And it was for his book.

[Mandy]

Yup. So he was on promo.

[Weezy]

You gotta be you.

[Mandy]

I saw this clip of Tracee and I just wanted to talk to her or follow her because the clip was so funny. And then I realized, oh, my God, this bitch does books.

[Weezy]

Not this bitch does books.

[Mandy]

She does books.

[Tracee]

Debbie does Dallas. Tracy does books.

[Weezy]

Tracy does books.

[Mandy]

So this is a clip and I want you guys to hear this because I was like, oh, she fine.

[Tracee]

I am the worst mom in the social group of moms in the world of children. I have five year old twins, as you know. And oh, girl, there are moms who want to be friends. I don't want to be friends. I have friends and I will ignore. Sure, yeah, I will lie.

[Mandy]

That's so honest.

[Tracee]

My favorite move is like, hey, do.

[Mandy]

You guys want to like do a.

[Tracee]

Play date tomorrow or like later today, leave on red until like an hour after and be like, oh, my God, I'm just. We're just getting out of something.

[Mandy]

Girl, that is so honest. It's true. Because moms act like, oh, man, I'm hanging with this mom. And this mom, it's like, what if you hate them?

[Weezy]

I mean, it's no different than like hoes want to be friends with other hoes because they relate to. So moms want to be friends with other moms because now we have something.

[Tracee]

Yes, but we have only want to talk about stupid kids. Shit, that's my problem. It's not even that these women I wouldn't want to be friends with in other circumstances, but all they want to talk about is like, what does your kid eat? What time do they go to bed? And I'm just like, have you watched a TV show recently? Like, do you like sports? Like, it doesn't even have to be like, tell me your trauma. It could just be anything other than.

[Mandy]

Five year old interest. But who do you talk to about your kids with? Because if you think about it, one of my friends recently told me who had a kid, I was like, damn, I don't hear from you anymore. She's like, girl, you don't want to hear about this kid. And I, oh, it's crazy.

[Weezy]

Yeah. None of my friends talk to me about their kids because I could care less.

[Tracee]

But I could care less about other people's kids though too. And I have kids. I don't even want to talk about my kids. Like, truly, I really wanted to ask you. I don't. I mean, you can. I don't. So just a few boundary ground rules. I don't ever say my kids names publicly and I don't ever put them on social media.

[Mandy]

You've always, oh, girl, we don't do.

[Weezy]

That to the men. We, we never say their names on the podcast and we never post them on our social media either.

[Tracee]

Kids are. I try to keep them private for. I mean, I'll tell you the story of why I do that. Protecting them. But also. So there's a influencer that I follow who lives in my neighborhood and I've been following her for a long time and she had a daughter. And one day I was walking down the street at like this little neighborhood and I saw the little girl with the nanny and I said, oh my God, there's blank. And then I realized I actually didn't know that kid, but I thought that that was a little kid that I knew just in the community. And I said, if I ever have kids, I'm never gonna put. This was before the show was even like big. It was like, you know, whatever. And I was like, I will never put my kids on public social media because that's weird. And it was really disorienting. Because I knew the kid's name. Like, I was like. I really thought, like, I was gonna go up to them and be like, hey, little girl whose name I know. And then I realized that I did not know that child.

[Mandy]

The Internet makes us feel closer to people. This is ridiculous. And I'm not trying to compare your children to a dog, but I knew. Shit got weird. I was driving one day in la. My dog is hanging out the window. I'm, like, sitting outside of the car. Girl walks by and goes, hey, Nina. And doesn't speak to me. And I was like, oh, bitch.

[Tracee]

Yeah, it's weird.

[Mandy]

You're a loony, too.

[Tracee]

Yeah, it's weird. And I just.

[Weezy]

Yeah. When I go on live, my. My. My, like, core, like, fans literally refer to Bode, my cat, as their nephew. Where is my nephew at?

[Mandy]

That's cute.

[Weezy]

But they know Bodhi. They're like, bode done got so big. Cause that's my kid.

[Tracee]

Right?

[Weezy]

My cat does go on the Internet.

[Tracee]

Yeah.

[Weezy]

But, yeah, it's like, oh, wow, right? Y' all done known Bode since he was a little kid. Now he grown up. And you refer to my cat as your name.

[Mandy]

When we were first starting this episode, I said, oh, my God, Tracee. I have to hold this thought. Tracee was telling us what she thought about. She's read the entire book, no holes barred. We just had the Stacks podcast and was talking about what she thought about meeting us after reading the book. So I'd love for you to repeat that. Cause I wanna tell you what I said about you. Yeah.

[Tracee]

So I think. Well, I said that I thought that Mandy was, like, friendlier than I thought that you would be, like, warmer, less guarded than I thought. And I thought that you were goofier than I was expecting. Cause your chapters are, like, really, like, sexy. Like sex. You know? I mean, not all of them. They're very sex forward. But also the goofy side of you does not come out in the chapters. Like, I don't feel like you are goofy. You're funny. You're definitely funny. Like, you're cracking jokes.

[Mandy]

Hold on. This bitch just said I'm goofy in person.

[Weezy]

This is goofy, asshole.

[Tracee]

But goofy in, like, a good way. Not goofy in the pejorative way.

[Mandy]

Like.

[Tracee]

Like. Like silly, like playful. I don't think that that side of you comes out as much as it does in person.

[Mandy]

You know, that's the thing about me that makes it very difficult, I think, to be a boss. We've been approached by this company to do a show about Our studio and my business partner and I is, like, making up different episodes. I'm like, one of the episodes, Sorry, I have braces. Should be about how I can't give an employee bad news. Oh, so we're structuring this. I'm like, I want to take one of the employees out. I'm going to take her to a spa day. Let's just say Dinesha is right here. And Dinesha has bucked up an audio file. I'll probably take her to the spa. We'll probably hang out. She'll probably think she's getting promoted. I think I'm going to say it, and then I don't really do it. Like, I get too goofy and silly to where sometimes it's hard to be serious. And so to that point, one of the issues my boyfriend had with me early on, and we just spoke about it again recently because he's like, you've gotten better. He thought I wasn't into him because I was so goofy and silly and playful. And he's like, bro, we'll be in the middle of making out. And you're like, can you imagine if. Blah, blah, blah. It's really add. But he hated it. And he's like, I couldn't. I thought you couldn't connect with me. I thought you weren't as interested. I thought you wanted to be friends. And last week, before he left, he had candles out for me, pulled a blindfold out, and I was like, oh, my God, I've been getting on your nerves. You gonna kill me, babe. He's like, yo, can you shut the fuck up? There's shot a playing. And I'm like, I get it, but it's so tough for me to, I don't know, not be this person. And so I love hearing you say that in the book. I was sexier because people don't know what I look like in that book. And then maybe when they meet me, they're like, ooh, the braces, the whole messy hair. Like, this bitch is a mess. And I have gotten to feel like the more serious side of me did come out in that book. Because this podcast is so fun and silly.

[Tracee]

I feel like. Yeah. Cause I. I mean, I've listened to the show, and so I was actually a little bit surprised when I was reading it. Cause it's like. Like, for your chapters. Because I feel like you are, like, much more, like, off the cuff. But that's the thing about writing is, like, that doesn't translate on the cuffs. No.

[Weezy]

And that's the thing too. And with writing the book, Weezy at one point was like, we have to go back and forth like we do on the podcast, and, like, have some sort of dialogue. And I was like, nope, that doesn't really work. It doesn't apply.

[Mandy]

That is actually my biggest regret of this book. I wish there was a moment where one chapter, one paragraph, something where you got to see Mandy and then Weezy speak. I am a really big fan of that. I love moments that break the fourth wall. And so that's why in the book, a lot I'll use quotation marks of what people say. Insert text message here. Just anything I can. So you remember and ground. And you ground yourself in reality. Yeah, I know that we are doing such a good job on our podcast at going back and forth no matter what, if we disagree or agree that you get to see dialogue there. And so the book was very scary to do because that was gone. And this is my connection to Mandy in my business and in my life is our back and forth. So the book being super. This is us, was different. But I want to ask you, because the stacks pod you've been doing for seven years, how many books have you.

[Tracee]

Read in the seven years.

[Mandy]

No.

[Tracee]

Or in my life, do you think you know? Well, I know how many books I've read since 2016.

[Weezy]

Okay, let's. What's that number?

[Tracee]

I don't know exactly. Cause I don't have my phone on me. I think it's 876.

[Weezy]

Yeah.

[Mandy]

How many is that a month?

[Tracee]

So it's not gonna be an average. Cause in 2016 and 2017, I didn't do the show, so I was reading less. I read about 8 to 12 books a month on average. This month. I just finished y' all's book. I'm gonna finish one more book today, and I will be at 11.

[Weezy]

The month end in one day.

[Tracee]

We're recording on the second lesson.

[Mandy]

How long did it take you to read? No holds bar.

[Tracee]

Two days.

[Mandy]

That'll be some easy bitches.

[Tracee]

Well, I mean, I'm reading, so If I read eight books a month. Eight books a month, that's less. But if I'm reading 12 books, which I think I'm gonna end up at 11 or 12, that's about three days a book. That's about my average.

[Weezy]

Wow.

[Tracee]

And your book isn't that long. Like, I'm. The book I'm about to finish is 600 pages. And that's taken me, like, if they.

[Weezy]

Wouldn'T have edited my goddamn chapter.

[Tracee]

Let you write.

[Weezy]

It would have been at least 400 pages. Sorry, I think the book is 274 pages.

[Tracee]

Yeah. So that's not.

[Mandy]

Do you prefer reading an actual book? Pages, Fingers. Audiobook.

[Tracee]

I do all of it. I will read on a digital device. I will read a physical book and I will listen to an audiobook. My real true, most preferred way is actually to have all three going at once of the same book. So I like to have one book where I have a physical copy. Like in the daytime when I'm reading in bed, I'll switch to the digital and then if I'm in the car doing chores, put on the audio. I love the audio. I like to do a one. I call myself a one book pony. I just like to do one book at a time. But oftentimes if I don't have that, I will have a physical book going.

[Mandy]

Yes.

[Weezy]

Sorry, you didn't have the audio version of ours.

[Tracee]

I didn't have the audio of yours. So I only had the digital. But hopefully they'll send me the physical so that I can. I just can look at it. Oh, I can take it.

[Mandy]

Are you married? I'm looking at your.

[Tracee]

I am married.

[Mandy]

What is he like?

[Tracee]

Okay, so I also don't say his name, but we call him Mr. Stacks. Yeah, we call the kids the mini stacks. Mr. Stacks is a doctor.

[Mandy]

Okay.

[Tracee]

He is a OBGYN.

[Weezy]

Okay.

[Tracee]

And he's pretty chill person.

[Mandy]

He's very quiet, kind of is that he's a super reader too. That's really fun.

[Tracee]

He's not a super reader. He reads. He probably reads 15 to 20 books a year. I would say so a book a month or a little more.

[Weezy]

Have you. This is such a random question. Okay.

[Tracee]

He's not my ob.

[Mandy]

No.

[Weezy]

Even more random. But because we still lean into sex a little bit and the reality of how women think. Have you ever been jealous of the fact that he goes to work and is in other women's pussies all day?

[Tracee]

No, because once you start hearing the stories of other women, I don't like it's. And also his patient population is like some like he. He worked at the county hospital here in la.

[Weezy]

Okay.

[Tracee]

So, you know, and like people oftentimes are coming in for issues where it's like bleeding or STDs. Yeah.

[Mandy]

Tell the story. Tell the story. What's the craziest one?

[Tracee]

The. Okay, the craziest one. I think I can tell this.

[Mandy]

How long have you been together?

[Tracee]

15 years.

[Mandy]

Oh, you got stories.

[Tracee]

Tell em.

[Weezy]

Okay.

[Tracee]

This is the craziest one. This was when he was working in County. A woman came in. I don't want to say anything that's gonna get anybody in trouble, so I'm gonna try to keep it big. But a woman came in, she had an object in her vagina. And the police had also come, like, after her. Holy shit. And they were like, she needs to go into operating. And so, like, the police were waiting and they were like, you need to tell us, like, what's in her vagina. And I don't. I don't think that the doctors were allowed to. I think. I'm not. I can't remember the legality here. Don't get mad at me. But basically they go in and they're like, what the fuck is this?

[Weezy]

Was it a shank?

[Tracee]

No, it was hot. And it had fused to the walls of her vagina. And it was a crack pipe girl. And they had busted up a, like, crack house. Crack house. And to avoid getting arrested, she put it up her vagina and it got fused inside of her vagina.

[Mandy]

Oh, my God.

[Weezy]

Oh, wait, wait. And that's glass.

[Mandy]

That's right.

[Weezy]

Shut the fuck up.

[Tracee]

So that's a crazy story. I don't remember what the fallout was from it. I don't remember if they had to, like, turn her over. But the county hospital is, you know, that's where you go if you don't have health insurance. So there was a lot of crazy stories. When he was at county, did he.

[Weezy]

Get the crack pipe out of there?

[Tracee]

They had to do a full surgery. Oh, yeah. You had to do a full. You have to cut because it was fused to the tissue. So it was really bad.

[Mandy]

What's crazier about you talking about County? A friend of mine, shout out to Toya. She works at a county jail taking care of patients. And she literally was like, girl, I gotta get outta here. She was like. Because the men for some reason are respecting a woman doctor. And she doesn't have too many issues. She's like, the women just feel like they can say anything to me. She's like, and these are girls, like, they're in jail. So these women are different. She's like, they be confused. I may have to give someone HIV results. And they're like, how do you get rid of it? She's like, sitting there, having to go step by step. Abc, whether it be scents, what they don't understand, sticking things in there.

[Weezy]

That's crazy.

[Tracee]

It's crazy.

[Weezy]

Now. I know, I know. Bitches be putting, like, drugs in they pussy when they like drug mules and stuff. They'll put it up in the little baggies. A crack pipe is crazy.

[Mandy]

You know what's shameful about this story? I was traveling with friends, and we wanted to bring mushrooms with us somewhere because we didn't want to buy them out of the country because we were all scared those mushrooms would kill us. So I'm traveling with you guys, and they're like, what are we gonna do? And I'm like, I have nature's pocket.

[Tracee]

Oh, my gosh.

[Weezy]

So that's crazy.

[Mandy]

They're all looking at me like, we see. This is insane. I'm like, it's not a big deal. It's clean. I got it now. I wasn't going to keep it up there the whole time or even I just literally put it, like, on the line of underwear. Because I'm thinking, I'll just take it out and put it in my purse. Once we pass TSA girl, we was going through custom for four hours, and the entire time we were going through customs, they kept saying, the mushrooms is different. It turned a fungi. This shit is crazy. And honestly, I connect with this woman because, you know, how many times she probably done put some shit up there before now you gotta go to the doctor and there's glass.

[Tracee]

Well, I mean, LAPD is so fucking crazy. And they probably were gonna, like, try to put her under the jail for. Do you know, like, have you ever.

[Weezy]

Put anything in your pussy?

[Tracee]

No. I mean penis.

[Weezy]

That's it.

[Tracee]

Fingers.

[Weezy]

It's funny because I was. I was telling my homegirl the story. If you guys are new here, I'll re. I. I'll reshare the story. But if you're old, I. I've told. Told the story on the pot, I believe, but back when I was just craving dick and needed it so bad, so I don't fuck on my period. However, this guy came. Came in town, came into New York, and I fucking wiped pink that morning. And I was like, oh, bitch, we done already made plans. Yeah, we fucking. But I don't want to fuck with blood. So my homegirls had told me the trick of the makeup sponges.

[Tracee]

Oh.

[Mandy]

So I didn't notice. I love Tracy's face. Let's teach it. So I'm learning so much.

[Weezy]

So basically, what my friend told me to do was take a makeup sponge, like the regular round ones that you could get in the bag from CVS or something like that. So you take a round makeup sponge and you lube it up, and you fold it and put it in Your pussy. So how do you get it out? So let me tell you. So let me tell you. So the problem.

[Tracee]

This is the problem of being a wife of an OB is that I know that these things go bad quickly.

[Weezy]

So let me tell you, girl. So because I didn't want the blood and because this was my first time, I was like, I'm gonna put two up there just in case. So I lubed up two. Put it up. So the trick is, if a man goes in your pussy, it just feels like a pussy wall. He doesn't even feel that anything is in there. So we fucking, we fucking, we fucking, we fucking. And I had done this. Like, no, no, at this point, I hadn't done it before. This was my first time. So I do it and I'm like, okay. Mind you, my nails are like this at the time.

[Tracee]

Okay.

[Mandy]

So after we're done seeing their pointy.

[Weezy]

Yeah. Really long stiletto nails. So this was before I started doing my. My shirt. Two fingers. So I'm done fucking. My roommate knows I did it all and all this stuff. So he leaves. He goes to his hotel. He leaves. And I'm like, okay, so I go into the bathroom, and I'm literally on the toilet, and I start doing the kegels. This is what my friend said to do. Just do the little kegels. And they should, like, just start coming down, and they'll come right out. So I'm literally in the bathroom on the toilet. And now at this point, my hands are digging up here, but I'm like, okay, I'm starting to see a little blood, but I don't feel no goddamn sponge. I'm trying, I'm trying, I'm trying. I start freaking out, of course. So I go to my fucking roommate, shout out to Lena. That's my home girl. So I go to my roommate, and I'm like, bro, I can't get these fucking sponges out my pussy. Like, oh, my fucking.

[Mandy]

Told you from up there.

[Weezy]

No, it was one of my. One of my, like, porn star friends who have done it on set before. So, no, she just knew I did it, but she's never done it. She's like, what the fuck?

[Mandy]

Can you imagine the knock on that? She's like.

[Weezy]

She's like, what the fuck you mean they're not coming out? I said, bro, these fucking sponges. I don't know where they're at, but they're fucking not coming out. I need your help. So she goes into the kitchen, she grabs the yellow kitchen glove.

[Tracee]

Okay?

[Weezy]

We go back into the bathroom. I cock my leg up on the tub, and my friend starts digging in my. To pull these goddamn sponges out. No, I was just like, bro.

[Tracee]

But she got.

[Weezy]

She felt him. She was like, oh, I think I got it. I was like, oh, yeah, I feel it. Okay, grab it out. Grab it out. And then I was like, there's one more in there. You got to go back in.

[Mandy]

There's one.

[Weezy]

There's one more in there. You got to go back in. And she literally. And I was like, oh, my God, bro. You're, like, the best. So I just told my best friend Crystal this, because Lena was, like, reminding her, like, even adding more of the details to the story. And Crystal, who's my best friend, she number one of the 11. She said, oh, you might love her.

[Tracee]

More than I do, because I'm not going, bitch.

[Weezy]

You did what?

[Mandy]

You wouldn't do it for a friend.

[Weezy]

You wouldn't put your hand up a friend's vagina to get something out of medical.

[Mandy]

Your husband does, like, Mr. Stuff.

[Tracee]

I would get a tool. I'd be like, you wouldn't do it with Jo?

[Mandy]

But she had a glove on.

[Weezy]

She had a glove on.

[Tracee]

I don't know. I probably would do it, but I would talk about it forever, and I would never not talk about it for the rest of our lives.

[Weezy]

You know the crazy part about it? It ain't stopped me from doing it just the next time. I only put one up, though.

[Tracee]

Did you get it out?

[Weezy]

Oh, yeah. Which is so weird. That's why I think maybe the two was too much, because the one. Oh, it was. It was. And I've only done it on day one. I would never do that if I was on a heavy float.

[Tracee]

Right?

[Mandy]

Look at my mistakes.

[Weezy]

Just like.

[Mandy]

And a condom will also take care of the blood tube.

[Weezy]

What you mean?

[Mandy]

It's not like it's gonna get on him.

[Weezy]

Oh, no. I'm not fucking with no goddamn blood. Blood for real, bro. Okay, Tracy, she used to stay trying to get me to be bloody like her. So I go, blood.

[Mandy]

You read fun shit.

[Tracee]

I did. Nothing surprises me, Right?

[Mandy]

Hypothetically speaking, yes. You can only read books for the rest of your life.

[Tracee]

Okay.

[Mandy]

But it's the same 20 books. Would you rather read those same 20 books or give up books and have unlimited television?

[Tracee]

Probably the same 20 books.

[Weezy]

Oh, wow.

[Tracee]

I don't know. I mean.

[Mandy]

Name your top three faves.

[Weezy]

Do you enjoy reading books again? Is that a thing?

[Tracee]

I do, too. I'm new into the world of rereading, since in the last few years, I've reread a few books and I like it.

[Weezy]

The only books that I have reread, and it was in my 20s, were those erotica books from back in the day. Like reading Sista Soulja, Coldest Winter Ever as an adult, I was like, now, bitch, why the fuck were you reading this at 11?

[Tracee]

Literally everyone who comes on the podcast and talks about those books like, I.

[Mandy]

Read them at 10.

[Tracee]

And I don't know why any adult was letting me see that.

[Mandy]

Ten years Horny.

[Weezy]

No, literally. And I talk about it in, in, in the, in our book, I talk about my journey of erotica and we'll talk about the history of erotica later, but I literally talk about going from books to message boards to just wanting to have my pussy thump while I read words. Hey guys, we're taking a break to talk about Chime. Now listen, I already know that we are in a rough state spot. The world is expensive. Eggs are $36. But fear no more. Chime is here to help you with your finances. This could be overdraft fees, missed payments that you have, or maybe you're in a position where you just want to save a little bit more. Chime understands that every dollar counts. And that's why when you set up direct deposit through Chime, you get access to fee free features like free overdraft coverage, getting paid up to two days early with direct deposit and more. I know when I was in corporate America, baby, sometimes I was like, y' all can't pay me a little early. With Chime, you can get paid up to two days early with your direct deposit. Also amazing, they have a 24. 7 customer support that comes in handy. They have access to 50,000 fee free ATMs nationwide. Open an account in two minutes at chime.com decisions. That's D E C I S I O N S. Chime feels like progress.

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[Weezy]

Did you actually get horny at all or was your best you went at all?

[Tracee]

A few parts.

[Mandy]

Horniest moments of no holds word. I'm guessing it was a Dom now.

[Tracee]

Yeah, definitely that chapter. I don't.

[Mandy]

Okay, we didn't get you off. Anyway, I'm just sure that that's the couple in Mexico. Sure.

[Weezy]

That was where I think I. I put the most sexual details.

[Mandy]

Sure.

[Tracee]

I. The thing is that I'm reading for work, so it's like a different.

[Weezy]

I'm not like she used to masturbate at work.

[Tracee]

So it doesn't. I'm not, I'm not. If there's a spectrum of like horniness, I'm probably not that close to you guys.

[Weezy]

Oh, thanks.

[Mandy]

That I read the book.

[Weezy]

I was like. She was like, I'm grown. I don't have to. He doesn't leak all the time.

[Tracee]

To say what I'm trying to say. Since we're not shaming people for their sexual identities, ladies, I'm just like, not as sex forward.

[Mandy]

Don't be funny. But if you don't shame me here, like I hearing you say that, I would think, oh my God, Girl with book pod, dweepy girl. Even though I know you're pretty beautiful, I immediately I'm like, oh, I see it.

[Weezy]

You see what?

[Mandy]

I just see sexiness. So to me, I'm like, oh my God.

[Tracee]

I've clip that and put it everywhere. I am sexy. Thank you. Okay, now that's nobody. Nobody ever is like Tracy sexy. Furthest thing from that. But I. But also when I'm reading for work, it's sitting up at the desk.

[Mandy]

It's not even like taking notes.

[Tracee]

Yeah, I'm taking notes. I'm in and out of chapters. I'm thinking about questions. I'm thinking also, like, what was this choice structurally? Like, what am. Like I'm analyzing the thing so I'm not really like enjoying the thing in that way.

[Weezy]

Well, if you are a whorehive member and not doing this for work, I need you to read the book like this.

[Tracee]

There you go.

[Weezy]

In bed, on your couch. Just be ready.

[Mandy]

That actually doesn't get that horny. I get hornier if I'm ready reading it in a public place.

[Tracee]

Okay, I gotta go back to public horny person.

[Weezy]

Oh, you are.

[Mandy]

No, I know.

[Tracee]

I read the book.

[Mandy]

Wait, we have a podcast.

[Tracee]

I'm not taking out a turn.

[Weezy]

Luckily it's a little later. Sometimes we'll record the pod at like 9 or 10am this is why if you're watching on YouTube we normally have coffee. We literally have to get this horny sometimes at 9:30 in the morning over coffee.

[Tracee]

We're talking about you're like.

[Mandy]

To be honest with you, it doesn't take me much. Okay. No, I really need to hear this in those 25 books. 20 same 20 books. Whatever it was. I really need to know the top three because we.

[Tracee]

The top three books that I'm gonna pick to read for the rest of my life are my top favorite books. Cause those are different books.

[Mandy]

But I wanna tell you why this question's so important for me to hear. Every day online we see the same book circulating.

[Tracee]

Oh yeah.

[Mandy]

Even me bringing up Malcolm Gladwell, who is great.

[Tracee]

He's always.

[Weezy]

Even everyone bringing up Coldest winter ever. When we talk erotic, we're just saying.

[Mandy]

What are the deep cuts?

[Tracee]

We need deep cuts. Okay, well, I don't know that those would be in my three. Okay. For the 20. My strategy for the 20 books.

[Mandy]

Sorry, I'll move my phone out so I can write it.

[Tracee]

The 20 book. The strategy for my 20 books would be to pick bigger books that are like really sort of dense, big stories. So I would maybe go like Count of Monte Cristo.

[Mandy]

Okay, that's too long.

[Tracee]

Well, but I only got 20 books the rest of my life, so I'm trying to maximize. I'm not going to go with the 150 novel.

[Weezy]

So go ahead and say Harry Potter next.

[Tracee]

Well, I've never read those.

[Weezy]

You're a book reader.

[Tracee]

I never read.

[Weezy]

I have never fucking read Harry Potter.

[Mandy]

J.K. rowling's a transmovic.

[Tracee]

Well, that's now why I haven't read them. Yeah, I didn't read them as a kid because I'm. I'm not older than them, but I was a little bit older. I was on the old end of when they came out. Like I think I was in high school when they came out maybe. So I was. If you were in middle school, you had to read that.

[Weezy]

After Erotica came Goosebumps. Then came Babysitter's Club, had those. Then came.

[Mandy]

I read Harry Potter Potter, not Twilight for that reason.

[Tracee]

I didn't read Twilight. I didn't read college in Twilight, but so I didn't read Harry Potter at the time. I also am not really a fantasy reader. My personal taste skews much heavy towards nonfiction. So it wasn't something that I would have read. And then J.K. rowling is a fudgeing transphobic cunt ass bitch. And I was like, absolutely. Fuck not. Look at us. And I'm just like, why would I go back now and support her? Do you know what I mean? Like, it's like there's so many books in the world that I.

[Weezy]

When I get the. The Butterbeer at, you know, I've Never been her.

[Tracee]

I mean I think you like that, but I think you are bitch.

[Weezy]

I love fucking Harry Potter world.

[Mandy]

I never Harry Potter thing is cool for people that need like not just you visiting, but like what it created for people that feel community. Sure.

[Tracee]

I think if you love Harry Potter, if you already love Harry Potter, like if you are an adult who was introduced to Harry Potter as a kid, it made you feel seen, it made you feel whatever. If it means something to you, that is your thing and that's something you can grapple with. But for me, a full grown adult, I don't.

[Mandy]

You're like, I don't need to feel.

[Tracee]

Seen by a woman who's transphobic and hates so many of the people that I love's existence and is putting money trying to make legislation to make trans women disappeared.

[Mandy]

So I'm just like, yeah, it's not just you talking. Right.

[Tracee]

So for me it's just like what am I like there's nothing for me here. Even if the books were the best books ever. It's just like there's so like I could also just read Toni Morrison, you know, like I could just period, you know, like there's James Baldwin books I've never read. I'm reading Invisible man by Ralph Ellison for the first time ever right now.

[Mandy]

People say that some of their.

[Tracee]

That's there right? So I'm just like why would I go back and read this bitch when there's so many great writers that I haven't read that I could read, you know? So like that's my thing.

[Mandy]

What are your great answer. Because we needed to hear that. So okay, so we need the three that you said. Count of Monte Cristo.

[Tracee]

I'm just. Okay. I also this is really nerdy me. I would take my Shakespeare complete works. My big giant Shakespeare with that's hard to read.

[Weezy]

Hate it.

[Tracee]

Okay. I love Shakespeare. I think you would like it. You've been taught it poorly, girl.

[Weezy]

I just went to Othello and I.

[Tracee]

Was like I heard that you want.

[Weezy]

You could have only you could have said all this in one sentence.

[Mandy]

Why?

[Weezy]

Like it was just too.

[Tracee]

Othello's literally one of my favorite plays.

[Weezy]

Oh no, no. I'm not going to lie.

[Tracee]

I love seeing her.

[Weezy]

Oh, I like it's so much drama and tease.

[Tracee]

Yes. You thought production Denzel Washington from what I've been told is not a good production. He's too old to play the part. I love Denzel. It's supposed to be like a 25 year old man.

[Weezy]

They'll Save it to me. I just didn't like that they put it in modern day and then you keep the Shakespearean play. They had them in army outfits. I love Othello. And then y' all. I talk. I gassed it up in another episode. But also, O. The basketball Rental.

[Tracee]

Matthias Pfeiffer.

[Weezy]

Oh, my God.

[Tracee]

Julia Styles and Josh Hartnett.

[Mandy]

I love Julia, the woman. Okay, wait. Sorry, we. Tracy.

[Tracee]

Sorry.

[Mandy]

I'm not good at not cutting.

[Tracee]

I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say Song of Solomon by Toni Morrison. That's a juicy book. I think I could reread that about five to 10 times, back to back, and find new things and feel new ways about it. So those would be my three, like, Desert island for unpacking purposes books, then.

[Mandy]

Your three favorites, we need.

[Tracee]

Okay. I'm currently. I'm currently, like, really obsessed with the Hunger Games series. I read it in 2010 or whatever, like this. I don't. But I read it in 2010 and I loved it. And there's a new book that came out this year that I still haven't read yet. And I went back and I reread the original first three, and they're so fucking good.

[Weezy]

I love.

[Tracee]

So good. They are fantasy to me, but they almost feel more like speculative fiction. Like, I know there's science fiction elements to it, but it feels so real and, like, rooted, and she just does such a good job. And I'm just really into those right now. So right now, Hunger Games, one of my favorite memoirs of all time, is a book called Heavy by Kiese Lehman.

[Mandy]

It's good.

[Tracee]

You know it.

[Weezy]

And then number three.

[Tracee]

Number three. I guess I'll go Sula by Toni Morrison.

[Weezy]

Okay, that's actually.

[Tracee]

No, I can't. No, no, I can't. I gotta take out Hunger Games because I'm being disrespectful to my actual, like, most favorite important book to me, which is Into Thin Air by John Krocauer.

[Weezy]

Okay.

[Tracee]

That's my gateway into nonfiction. It's about the 1996 trying to summit Mount Everest and lots of people die. It's like the deadliest year on Mount Everest. It was the deadliest year in Mount Everest history until 2023. But this writer, Jon Crocker, he wrote into the Wild that they turned into that movie. He wrote under the Banner of Heaven about the Mormons that they turned into a show. He's like my favorite right now.

[Weezy]

I'm gonna geek out just a little bit. I'm gonna name my three real quick. Two of Them actually came from childhood that I was forced to read. And I went back and reread them. I love them. So the Giver.

[Tracee]

Oh, we did that on the podcast. I did it with my mom.

[Weezy]

Incredible.

[Tracee]

So good.

[Weezy]

Animal Farm.

[Tracee]

I read that for the first time this year.

[Mandy]

Wait, you just read it for the whole time?

[Tracee]

In Oakland, California.

[Mandy]

We were required to read it in Florida.

[Weezy]

I mean.

[Tracee]

Yeah, we read different. I know. I didn't. I didn't read a lot of things that people were supposed to read in Animal Farm.

[Weezy]

Especially, like where we're at now.

[Tracee]

It's like so good.

[Weezy]

So good. And then nonfiction. Oprah Winfrey's. What I know for Sure.

[Tracee]

I never read it. Girl, I do love Oprah.

[Weezy]

But that one right there, when we were talking about the writing process for our book, the comps that kept coming to me and the two memoirs by women that I liked and how they told their stories was Oprah Winfrey. What I know for sure. And then Gabrielle Unions. We're gonna need more wine.

[Tracee]

Yeah, that's a good one. Her second one I didn't like as much.

[Weezy]

Yeah, I. I couldn't even get into it. I finished the. We're gonna need more wine. Like.

[Tracee]

Yeah.

[Mandy]

So I was thinking, I feel like I want to go erotica.

[Weezy]

Just, let's go erotica. Let's get nasty.

[Tracee]

I want to erotica reader. Oh, you're gonna go erotica. I thought you were supposed to see me to talk about erotica. I was like, I don't know.

[Weezy]

We're giving you the history of erotica today.

[Mandy]

We get into a little bit of the other stuff, but top three erotica. I'll be fast so we can get to it. Rent Boy by Gary, Indiana. I love gay sex stories. I would say coldest winner ever is number two. And number one for me is Tampa. Alyssa Nutting.

[Tracee]

Yeah, something like that.

[Mandy]

I remember her last name being Nutting because I was like, that's nasty. Tampa for me. I like fucked up Gidney. Incest. Fucking crazy shit. Because I'm so over sexed out sometimes that I'm.

[Tracee]

You gotta be shocked. It's gotta go far.

[Weezy]

You just reading Animal Farm is so crazy.

[Mandy]

Okay, so.

[Weezy]

And I hated the movie the Giver. It didn't do the book justice.

[Tracee]

Yeah, not good.

[Mandy]

I didn't watch it.

[Tracee]

Meryl Streep is in it.

[Weezy]

I don't know, but they didn't do it justice.

[Mandy]

Meryl Streep.

[Tracee]

Why do I think Meryl Streep is in it? Fact check.

[Weezy]

I will, I will.

[Mandy]

So we're gonna go into our reactionary segment. We're gonna play you a clip, okay? We're all gonna watch it and we're gonna talk about what the fuck we think about it, okay?

[Unknown]

And I do see a lot of black women that will hate on a black man for dating a white woman. But if a white man dates a black woman, he's almost praised for it. I saw a guy the other day and his account was man seeking melanated women and he had like 300,000 likes. If I was to post that, I would abso slandered. And I don't think there's anything wrong with anyone dating anyone because we literally fought for unity and fought to be able to love each other. You do see like the contrast of when a black man dates a white woman. I'll get comments saying like it's a fetish to you. Like what? I can't just love somebody.

[Tracee]

The world is full of hypocrites.

[Unknown]

If we want equality and we want everybody, Kumbaya.

[Weezy]

You can't be mad.

[Tracee]

If it's not Kumbaya and everyone's separate.

[Mandy]

Then cool be mad now is there?

[Weezy]

I don't like you talked about my ex. I don't know what the fuck they just said. No, yes you do. No, I don't, girl. Liz, I don't know what the fuck they just said, but I'm a little.

[Mandy]

Then I'll ask Tracy.

[Weezy]

Interracial date date conversation.

[Mandy]

Well, we can also have a discussion. That's why I brought it up. So when hearing people say shit like black love can be hypocritical or celebrating white men dating black women. Gabby Sita Bray Sidibe. Her husband is white.

[Tracee]

Yeah, he loves her. He be talking about her all the time.

[Mandy]

Loves her down and they have twins.

[Weezy]

Shout out to her. She's a whorehive member. She be in our comments.

[Mandy]

And I want to call a spade a spade here. Gabby is plus size and a dark skinned woman. She dated a white guy. I feel like we don't have a lot of conversation about black men and how critical they can be of dark skinned women and plus sized women when they go the other way. Is there something you think that we're getting wires crossed with when it comes to white guys dating black women? Because we do look at it like, yes, sis, find the one who will love you. That was the first thing I did when I saw Gabby's man. But when I see black men with white women, I be like, you couldn't keep looking.

[Tracee]

Well, you know, so I should Be transparent. I am the product of a black man and a white woman, and my husband is white. So I am, you know, pro miscegenation right here. Okay. Loving, Miss Virginia. Big fan. I think it's complicated because I think when we talk about these things broadly, I can have opinions, but personally, that doesn't necessarily mean what like, works for individuals, you know, Like, I'm not gonna say that Gabriel Sidibe's husband is chasing melanin. Like, I don't know him.

[Mandy]

Right.

[Tracee]

And so they seem to be happy. He seems to be an adoring partner and an adoring husband, and she seems to be very in love with her children, and they seem to be very happy. I don't know them, and I think that's great. But I also understand that there are white men who fetishize women of color. Black women, Asian women especially. That's a big thing. And so I think, like, there should be heat for that, broadly. Fetishizing people based off of race. Based off of race or any or anything to, like, treat people as an identifier, to be like, I only like, you know, plus size women, or I only like skinny women. As if that is the thing that makes a person a person.

[Weezy]

Gotcha.

[Mandy]

Can you tell me, how does you know in dating? Well, you've been with your husband 15 years.

[Tracee]

That's such a long time.

[Mandy]

But is there a thing? Because I remember when I was dating everyone, I never really thought I'd really end up with a white guy, but I was dating for long term. If they dated a lot of black.

[Tracee]

Women before me, that's a thing.

[Mandy]

Yeah, I didn't like. But then I also didn't like if.

[Tracee]

They'D never dated a black person before.

[Mandy]

Tell me a little bit about what that was like with you.

[Tracee]

So I was very young when we met. I was 24.

[Weezy]

Okay.

[Tracee]

So I'm 38. For people doing the math, it's fine. 39 this year. And I don't think I'd really thought about a lot of this stuff. I grew up in Oakland. I grew up in the Bay Area. Lots of mixed kids walking around. It's mixed kid capital, the blazings, everything. Like, the kind of if there's a possibility, we got it. It's fusion. It's fusion cuisine over there. And so I don't think I had thought about what it meant politically, socially, until after I was already with Mr. Stacks. I really. We met in 2010 and, you know, we talked about this on my show about, like, growth and the ways you've changed. And. And when we met, like, I really wasn't as politically minded as I am when it comes to racial politics. This was. This predates, like, Trayvon Martin, which for me was sort of like a big awakening around race. Even though.

[Mandy]

Yeah, it was.

[Tracee]

Yeah, like, it was a big deal for it, really. Hearing people talk about the trial and, like, the things that people were saying about stand your ground. And that was really, for me when I started to realize in a much. It's not that I didn't realize racism existed, but it was for me when I started to realize how different racial groups, experiences of the world, the country could be. And so. But I was already with Mr. Sachs at that point for two and a half years, three years. And so I didn't really ask a lot of those questions. And again, when you grow up in a place where a lot of your friends come, you know, your friends have a Filipino mom and a black dad, I don't think those questions get asked. Whereas I think some, for a lot of mixed kids who come from places where they're the only mixed kid in the community, or there's very few, there are questions about, what does it mean to be, like, the only one? I never felt like the only one.

[Mandy]

I love this answer because it's so honest. We always want to hold black women super accountable for how things make them feel. And we don't really give black people a space to be. Like, I didn't really know. Yeah, you knew.

[Tracee]

It's like, well, and my. So my dad.

[Mandy]

Who'S black, who's white.

[Tracee]

My dad's black, and he was a lot older than my mom. He grew up. He's from Louisiana, part of the Great Migration, but grew up during, you know, Jim Crow, civil rights. He was born in 1935. Oh, wow, okay. So he didn't get the right to vote till he was 30.

[Weezy]

30 something.

[Tracee]

Yeah, yeah, right. Like, so, like, different era. And he always talked about, like, racism twice as good. Like, that whole thing, that was very much part in my mind, Right. And it was like, you gotta. You have to have black friends. You have, like. He was very much that, but also was my dad. And so you're a kid and you're like, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

[Mandy]

I'm my mom.

[Tracee]

Right. And I also remember being like, he would. Like, I remember the OJ Trial being such a big deal to him. And, like, I remember years later, I read a book about O.J. and I told my dad, I was like, I think O.J. did it. And my dad was like, I don't care. They planted evidence. They tried to frame him, and he deserved to get off. And I remember that was, like, a huge moment in. I think that was 2008, 2009, for the. Like, one of the first times that it clicked to me what my dad had really been saying, right? Like, that it. Like that there was a political agenda. Agenda, but like, a political worldview that was more important than any individual event. And so that, you know, predates me having met my husband by a few years. But, like, all of that kind of coming together in that period of my life from, like, 19 to 25 was really when I started to think about race and, like, what it means to be mixed and, like, what the. What the political implications are of having a white mom and a black dad. Right. And all of these things. And so.

[Mandy]

And now you're the opposite.

[Tracee]

Now we're the opposite.

[Mandy]

Now you're a black mom, white dad.

[Tracee]

Right, exactly. And people have a lot of opinions about my relationship and my upbringing and all of these things, and that is for them to have.

[Mandy]

Um.

[Tracee]

I feel like. I don't know about you guys, but, like, it's hard to really think too critically about your racial identity when you're mixed, because I think it's. I think it can be really uncomfortable. Like, the fact of the matter is I have a white mom and a black dad, and there's nothing that I can do about it. So, like, going into a place where I'm like, it means this or it means that is. Is hard. Cause it's like. So I just shouldn't exist, right?

[Mandy]

Oh, my God, Tracy. Mine is harder today than as a kid because I love my dad, who is Israeli.

[Tracee]

Right.

[Mandy]

And hate everything that's happening.

[Tracee]

Right. Well, I'm black and Jewish also. My mom's Jewish, so I'm. So I.

[Mandy]

We're flip.

[Tracee]

Yeah. But I. But we have this shared sort of free Palestine. And also this is part of. I mean, my. My mom is. Is European Jewish, not Israeli Jewish, But.

[Mandy]

But this is also a reason why. And I'm joking and being facetious when I say this. I saw this clip of Dr. Umar being like, no rice, no ice, no spice, just, you know, just black. And I'm like, mixed kids are fucked up. Not one of my mixed homegirls, not one. Not one has not expressed identity issues with me. Hating their hair, being unsure, feeling fucked up. The ones with white moms genuinely seem to skew more into, like, this savior complex with certain shit with white people and Then the other one, it's weird as fuck. And I think when you have parents of the same race, whatever they may be Asian, Latino, whatever, there is something that's a little bit easier. And so then I would ask you just to wrap it, what is a difficult conversation you had that end well, with your husband about, oh, my God, we're pregnant, we're raising these two mixed kids. How are we going to do this? What was the point? And, of course, related to race, but, like, what was something that really shaped parenting for you guys? Gosh.

[Tracee]

You know, I think, like, we've had so many conversations about race over the years. There isn't one that we had specifically about, like, the twins, because are they girls or boys? Boys.

[Weezy]

So there will. Eventually, you'll probably have to talk to them about existing as black men.

[Tracee]

Sure, exactly. And. And they're extremely fair because that. My. This is so weird. But, like, one of my bigger fears for them is that they're gonna be in spaces where people don't know that they're black and they're gonna experience racism. Like, sort of like, undercover.

[Weezy]

Oh.

[Tracee]

And I'm really worried about that. Like, I. Especially when they're younger, I think, you know, when they get older, they will understand. But I'm worried, like, the first time someone says something racist about black people to them, like, at a sleepover or something, and they don't know.

[Weezy]

They don't know that they're black.

[Tracee]

Well, they don't. And they don't know how to respond, and they don't like. And I'm worried, you know, think about being, like, 8 and someone saying something, not knowing, not talking shit about your parent or something without bro.

[Mandy]

This fear you have is real. My boyfriend told me. He's like, it's always the mixed people that be going hard, like Angela Davis and Malcolm X and shit. He's like, this is why you're like this, because you existed in spaces where people were like, I'm gonna talk about black people. Maybe she's Latina. Maybe she's something else. I'm gonna talk. And he's like, whether you can remember a moment or not, you heard it.

[Tracee]

Yeah.

[Mandy]

Mixed kids get to have that.

[Tracee]

Yeah. And I think, like, yeah. So I think that's one of the things that we've talked about that I'm really concerned about is, like, that experience. Because also, I mean, I think that they look black, and I think black people think that they look black, but I know white people don't. Can't tell.

[Mandy]

That's like, okay. Well, hold on. Is Rasheeda Jones black? Can we.

[Tracee]

She's black.

[Mandy]

Can we see? Yes.

[Tracee]

She looks black as hell to me.

[Mandy]

I see it on the Office and now I see it every day.

[Tracee]

Rashida Jones looks black as hell to me on the office.

[Mandy]

I ain't see it. Did y' all see it?

[Tracee]

I knew who she was before I ever saw the office.

[Weezy]

I'm looking at her now.

[Mandy]

Rashida Jones on black af. Rashida Jones in other movies. What was it? This is 40.

[Tracee]

You don't think she looks black?

[Weezy]

Bitch, no.

[Tracee]

If she walked in a room, you wouldn't think that's a black woman.

[Weezy]

I would think she's spicy white. No, she's not black at all. She doesn't even have black features.

[Tracee]

She looks black.

[Mandy]

Quincy Jones's daughter.

[Tracee]

That's Quincy Jones daughter. That's Kedada Jones sister.

[Mandy]

Wow. It's so crazy.

[Weezy]

Her. And I don't think Meghan Markle looks black.

[Tracee]

Okay, that's fat shit. That is crazy.

[Weezy]

I look blacker than Meghan Markle. Bitch, you got me fucked up.

[Tracee]

But you look fucking black.

[Weezy]

Meghan Markle. That's why she exists as a passing woman. She only even likes her blackness because of how she gets treated over there.

[Tracee]

And I'm literally dying because one of my big. I have a. I have a lot of thoughts about Meghan Markle, but one of the things about Meghan Markle that drives me crazy is she always talks about how nobody knows she's black. And I'm like, black people know you're black?

[Mandy]

You telling me this woman don't look like she couldn't pass?

[Weezy]

She don't look black.

[Tracee]

She couldn't pass.

[Weezy]

She could be a pass. She could pass. Back in the 30s, she could have passed as a white woman like that.

[Tracee]

Girl and pull her up as a kid with her nappy hair.

[Mandy]

This is her hottest take of all time. No, it's not. This.

[Weezy]

This is real.

[Tracee]

This is fake.

[Mandy]

People is listening like, yo, that hoe don't look black.

[Weezy]

I literally.

[Mandy]

I literally.

[Weezy]

When I saw her little documentary, I was like, oh, you're only leaning into the blackness because now you're experiencing racism and racism.

[Mandy]

No, she's.

[Weezy]

She was existing as a non black her whole life.

[Mandy]

No, she wasn't. She is.

[Weezy]

They only added the little. The little black daddy because of.

[Tracee]

Okay, wait, pause.

[Weezy]

She don't look black.

[Tracee]

Pause, pause, pause, pause. When the announcement. Did you know who she was before the announcement came out with? Oh, you did? So you knew her from suit and.

[Weezy]

She looked like a white Woman on suit.

[Tracee]

Okay, so I'd never seen her.

[Mandy]

Never heard of her having a black daddy.

[Weezy]

This ain't a biracial.

[Mandy]

You never seen her.

[Tracee]

I'd never seen her, never heard of her. The announcement comes out, prince Harry is engaged. No, it doesn't say, just Prince Harry's engaged. I see her. I said, oh my God, we're going to the Palace. She is black as hell to me, bro. She wishes she could pass. That's what I hate about her is that she wishes she could pass. I'm like, we see you, bro. My first comment, I'm stunned.

[Mandy]

I watched clips of her after seeing photos of them together and I said, oh, she wish she was a little white girl.

[Weezy]

I remember she does wish she was. I don't think she likes that she's black, honey.

[Mandy]

Don't matter.

[Weezy]

She don't look black either.

[Mandy]

I'm actually not gonna speak on a black woman not liking their being black.

[Weezy]

But I'm saying based off the documentary I saw.

[Mandy]

Yeah, like she has.

[Tracee]

That's why I'm saying that's what I'm saying. She also tried to be like, we never talked about race. I mean, but that's what I don't. That's the thing that makes me mad about her because let's just do a little, you know, everything's dramaturgy. Here she is 41 or 42, I believe she's from LA. She went to high school. Right. Kind of like kids, right? Yeah, Right. North of Koreatown. She went to school right, north of Koreatown, like on Western, on your way up to Griffith Park. She would have been 10 or 11 when the LA riots happened. Don't fucking tell me you didn't talk about race when that was happening. Don't tell me you never thought about race as a kid. That was the theme to me where I'm like. And with your mom, you don't think your mom just casually mentioned, well, Rodney King, darling, like, are you fucking kidding me? That's what makes me mad about her. It's not that she looks how she looks. She looks how she looks.

[Weezy]

But also look how your mom looks. You're not going to tell me race wasn't talked about because you also are so much fairer than your mom.

[Tracee]

Yes, but not that much.

[Mandy]

No, no. Not that much of a black flavor.

[Weezy]

But there's always conversations in households. I know me and my homegirl talk about like how her, all of her siblings, they all have the same mom and same dad. She's dark skinned. So even within a household of different shades of brown to the conversation around race and skin.

[Tracee]

Yes. That's the part about her that makes me mad. Yeah.

[Mandy]

And she don't want to.

[Tracee]

Not even that she doesn't want to be black. Like, fine, whatever. If she doesn't feel comfortable, Whatever. That's her thing. That's her journey. But don't sit here and lie on your mom and the Fucking World in 1992 in Los Angeles and then followed up immediately by O.J. she's here in this city, Los Angeles.

[Weezy]

Y' all ain't talk about no. Goddamn you.

[Tracee]

I know. You fucking talked about it in class. Probably. All the white girls are probably so scared to go to Koreatown. Right?

[Weezy]

Like, you know.

[Mandy]

Exactly. So it wouldn't do us justice to not make this episode about erotica. Because literally, you know, when we're doing a pod together and you're like, let's do cross pot. I'm like, are we gonna talk about twins? No, we'll talk about erotica.

[Weezy]

Okay.

[Mandy]

So as you know, I feel like.

[Tracee]

I'd be better at twins than at erotica.

[Mandy]

No. But the history of erotica is still. Is super interesting. So now in Decisions Decisions, we talk about the history of different elements of sex. Yes.

[Tracee]

Okay.

[Weezy]

And erotica, is that okay?

[Mandy]

Erotica took a hit during the Victorian era, which to me is no surprise, because that's when you saw the corset titties. So it says puritanical ideals were dominating mainstream culture so much that the novels became so taboo, considered low brow, and the quality of writing was dropping just because they thought sex was bottom tier. And so it didn't get to hit mainstream again until the 20th century, when great writers Kate Chopin, Nabokoff, Henry Miller began to publish more explicit books through traditional means. Since then, erotica is considered part of mainstream culture. Romance is a top three book to want to read. And so the Internet then took over culture climate, which made fan fiction, the shit I used to read, the biggest of erotica. And I must say, I didn't even really think about fan fiction in erotica. But when we talk about history, it's such a big part of it.

[Weezy]

It is in the book. I believe it's my chapter around masturbation and loving myself. I. I joke that I used to sit at the computer and get fucking wet and sit in a puddle reading about getting a gang bang by the B2K boys, Chris Brown and Bow Wow, and I'm like, why the fuck was i13 wanting to be gang banged by all the guys that I liked listening.

[Mandy]

Listening to girls making us horny shows you how far the Internet has come. We need so much now. Not only porn. You gotta come out through AI. You gotta come.

[Weezy]

VR goes, oh, my God, I just saw. Okay, don't judge me. So on my following tab. Because all I do is follow porn stars on X, okay, I came across the AI pictures of porn. And so it's these women that literally lay like this. And so it's the big titties and a leaking vagina with the Buddha hole just winking at you. I was so turned on. I was like, this AI image of this thick, busty, leaking pussy.

[Mandy]

But they got them on those I love.

[Weezy]

I was like. I don't think I ever.

[Mandy]

Like, like, is it because they look perfect?

[Weezy]

Bitch, perfect.

[Mandy]

Okay? See, I get turned into flaws. I'm not talking, like, I need a little cellulite.

[Weezy]

And they was oiled up, bitch. I might have bookmarked it.

[Mandy]

That shit looked so goddamn now, Tracee. Time to get uncomfortable, book girl. If you had to get off from some porn, would you rather read it or watch it?

[Tracee]

I think read, because then you can sort of imagine.

[Mandy]

Yes, I think, like. Like.

[Tracee]

Cause I feel like sometimes when you watch, like, something will happen, and I'm like, oh, I don't like that. Like, it'll, like, get in the way. And I feel like when you're reading, like, I don't know, it allows you.

[Weezy]

To imagine the scene.

[Tracee]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mandy]

What? Veronica has made you feel that way, where you were like, wow, this is that powerful. Now I'm thinking, okay, don't judge.

[Tracee]

Don't judge me. Don't judge me. The first time I ever read something where I was like was 50 shades of gray.

[Mandy]

Really?

[Tracee]

But this was 15, 16 years ago.

[Mandy]

No, but that's so.

[Tracee]

So I was like, re. I. I was really into the, like, rich, rich, rich, rich dom thing. I was like, this is great.

[Mandy]

No wonder. That was my favorite chapter of yours.

[Tracee]

Yours wasn't rich like that. It wasn't like, if I said rich like reality on top of the house. He wasn't Christian Gray. Okay? He wasn't Christian Grey.

[Mandy]

But I get it, though.

[Tracee]

But I. I, like, was into that also. Again, I was like, 23, 24. And so that kind of like, now when I think back on it, I'm embarrassed by liking it because the relationship dynamics were so fucked. And it was not really, like, consistent. It wasn't a healthy relationship. But it was like, it did turn me on. I was, like, excited by it.

[Mandy]

I'm only gonna agree with you as.

[Weezy]

Well, because for me, the way my mind and pussy work together while I read Addicted by Zayn and the way it didn't translate for me in the film, like, I was really glad that they had Boris Cujo. Let's be very clear. That nigga is fine.

[Tracee]

He looks black.

[Weezy]

He does look black.

[Mandy]

He looks black.

[Tracee]

He's mixed, right?

[Weezy]

He is. He's German. He's from Germany.

[Mandy]

Right, right, right.

[Weezy]

If him and his wife want me.

[Tracee]

To join and will anytime avails, anytime, just send me.

[Weezy]

They could be like a couple. Call 247 if they want it. But when the movie came out, it didn't even feel as sexy. And Addicted was. I probably read that after Coldest Winter Ever. And Addicted got me obsessed with all of Zayn's books. Went from that to chocolate series to chocolate, you know, all the things. And I was like, wow, this movie failed in the sex department for this book that was literally all sex.

[Mandy]

But that's the thing too. It's like. It's so imaginative. Right. Unlike with 50 Shades of Grey, you being able to do that for me, reading Fifty Shades of Grey, enjoyed it. I had read so many really kinky books, I would go to a banned book section and just keep digging. And I think I got excited by 50 Shades, even though I was super young, because I knew everybody else would now get it.

[Tracee]

Yeah.

[Mandy]

And so that's what I think was beautiful about that. Oh, really? Want to talk about the most famous piece of erotica all time? We all know it. Do we?

[Weezy]

What is it?

[Mandy]

The Kama Sutra.

[Weezy]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We did a whole episode on that as well.

[Mandy]

Ancient India, it was written. And the Western world incorrectly regards it as a manual for sex positions. But there are seven books that make it up. And it's so much more philosophical than sexual. And eroticism plays an undeniable role in it, obviously, because it's taught us so much about love, connection, or just free for all sex. Like, it covers everything. We also see a lot of erotica. I've never heard of this, but shunga. Thousand years ago, there was an art tradition called shunga in Japan, which were colorful images of lovers with super large, almost comical genitalia. And it was spread across the audience to Japan and then China. It would literally be. This is a woman bending over, says a client, lubricating a male prostitute. These would be hung up not only throughout the town, but through transit in books everywhere, because it was considered art. So, again, erotica also being not just literature, but, yeah, in the Italian Renaissance, it's so funny, because I'm like, I don't get this. Because, you know, sometimes when the words are a little too much.

[Weezy]

Not for you.

[Mandy]

I start going through this thing, and I'm like, they're literally talking about the statues in Rome. The dicks, the balls, the hair on it. All of it. All of this was erotica.

[Tracee]

In Italy, there's some fucking hot statues. There's one. Okay, this is. It's unconsensual, so don't get mad at me. But there is a statue. No, there's a statue of. I think it's called the Rape of Persephone.

[Weezy]

Oh, wow.

[Tracee]

And it is. I think it's like a. It's like a Greek myth. But the way that the marble is. It's like he's grabbing her thigh, and you can see, like, the dimples. Like, the art is like this. The marble is so well done that it's like, holy shit. Like, the. It's not. I mean, it is erotic, but it's also just like. You can feel the warmth of the scene and. Which is wild because it's fucking marble.

[Weezy]

To me, it's crazy because most statues that I see, like, especially when they're nude, my eyes go right to the dick. And the dicks be small on statues. Like, they don't ever have big.

[Tracee]

They're like, they're not wasting the marble.

[Mandy]

I'm like, damn, how much a black.

[Weezy]

Is a little bit bold, but material. Material right here. Yeah. I'm like, why, y' all embarrassing?

[Mandy]

Maybe your dicks grew over time. Like, Jesus was like, four, ten. They said, yes.

[Weezy]

Maybe they're growers, not showers, but can you have him. Yeah, hang a little bit.

[Tracee]

He's a Greek God. Can we give him something?

[Weezy]

Period?

[Mandy]

Okay, so erotica's evolution is interesting because it says, what's the difference between erotic art, erotica, the literature, and porn? And where it gets murky is the word. Pornography didn't exist until the 1800s, and when society became obsessed with labeling pornography, it was because they didn't consider it to be art. And so I find that funny because it's almost like the whole hierarchy back in the day, like, oh, well, our statues of sex are better than you. Actually fucking on camera is basically what they were all saying. And so now today, the concept of pornography is not considered erotica because they're the censorship surroundings.

[Weezy]

I will say it's crazy because in the book, I talk about how meeting a community of people that viewed sex as art helped to transform my brain to view it that way. I didn't think that nudes or porn or any of that was art until recently.

[Tracee]

Sure.

[Mandy]

We interviewed a friend of ours. She's a porn star. Cinnamon Love in Love. She's doing, like, back catalogs. Like, I can't think of what she's doing, but she's basically finding porn archives and she's bringing them to Harvard and having people study about it. It was Harvard, right?

[Weezy]

She said that Harvard already has it. It exists there.

[Mandy]

Oh, Harvard already has it.

[Weezy]

She's doing something else.

[Mandy]

She's doing it with another college.

[Tracee]

Got it.

[Mandy]

But just pulling the archives. And even I'm sitting with her and this friend of ours. We love her. I'm like, what college? Like, how do you really connect the dots with this? But at the end of the day, it is part of our art history.

[Tracee]

Yeah, for sure. I mean, there's so many things that got short shrift. Shakespeare would say, culturally that are like, that's so important. And was labeled one way or another and then made it taboo or, like, off limits. Clearly, porn is one of them. And I think erotica and erotic lit also just like to stay on. My theme is interesting because with Booktok now, there's sort of like this reclamation of horny books, in a way. Even though people were all. People were always reading romance. Romance is like one of the most popular genres.

[Weezy]

Erotica is so crazy because I can't remember who I was having this conversation with, but those are even separate in bookstores. So you have romance, which is more about love, and then erotica is about sex. But.

[Tracee]

But a lot of romance books are now bringing in more. So they have like, closed door romance or open door. So open door means you have the sex scene. Closed door means like, we made out and then he pushed me on the bed and slammed the door. And then it's like the next morning I woke up.

[Weezy]

Yeah.

[Mandy]

And so if it's open, that's sexy.

[Tracee]

And Joyce, you pushed me on the bed and then we jumped to chapter. But that's. That'll have. I mean, the thing that's so interesting in romance books also is it's like my heat. Or like, they won't say. They don't. A lot of times they don't say anatomical body parts or even words like. They won't say pussy. They'll be like, he was my pocket. He felt my wetness. Or, like, was between my legs or whatever.

[Mandy]

I tried to do a little of that and it was tough.

[Tracee]

Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of synonyms. Okay. There's A lot of creative language happening.

[Weezy]

Oh, that's where for. And I used to talk about it all the time. Zayn for the Buddha ho would call it a chocolate starfish. So even though she definitely wrote pussy this for the asshole, she referred to it as a chocolate starfish.

[Tracee]

There's lots of things.

[Mandy]

I found some passages of erotica over time, and it's just crazy how shit changes. But this is in classical literature. And just like Tracy said, let's see.

[Weezy]

If it makes our pussy throbbing.

[Mandy]

Okay, then. Late one night, as he was undressing for bed, she tapped at his door timidly. She wanted to relight her candle at his, for hers had been blown out by gust. It was her bath night. She wore a loose, open flannel. Her white instep shone in the opening of her furry slippers. And blood glowed warmly behind her perfumed skin. From her hands and wrists, too, as she lit and steadied her candle and faint perfume arose, he came forward. That is exactly what you just said. He threw me on the bed.

[Tracee]

This is what. What time period is this?

[Mandy]

1810.

[Tracee]

I mean, there were censorship rules. Like, you couldn't say things. So I think, like, the furry is saying a lot. There's a lot of words that are doing a lot of work. Oh, so the pussy in that passage.

[Weezy]

Well, no, that was first. Or he's slippers.

[Tracee]

Right, but just like the. No, no, she's saying, like, the text. Like the words that are being used.

[Weezy]

I mean, the fact that the perfumed skin.

[Tracee]

Yeah, exactly. There's a lot of descriptors.

[Weezy]

The. The loose, fitted, you know, gown. Yeah.

[Tracee]

And he undressed. It was her bath night. So that, like, insinuates loose and also. Also nudity pulsic.

[Mandy]

But that night is such an interesting thing because you gotta remember they weren't doing it all day, girl. And he's sharing that water.

[Tracee]

Yeah.

[Mandy]

This one, it doesn't say the year, but it's called Dangerous Liaisons by Pierre.

[Tracee]

Yeah, that's famous. That's. That's what Cruel Intentions is based off of. Oh, yeah. And there's a Dangerous Liaisons movie. I think Michelle Pfeiffer's in it.

[Mandy]

Yes, it is.

[Tracee]

Yeah.

[Mandy]

I didn't watch it, though. But I know what you're talking about. It's always suggested to me, okay, this one is literally about stealing virginity. I think I shall possess this woman.

[Tracee]

Bless you.

[Weezy]

Thank you.

[Mandy]

I shall steal her from the husband who profanes her. I will even dare ravish her from the God she adores. What a delight. To turn her into an object. Far be it from me to destroy the prejudices which sway her mind. They will add to my happiness. Let her believe in virtue and sacrifice it to me. Let the idea of falling terrify her and may she be shaken by a thousand terrors in my arms.

[Weezy]

This don't sound like virginity. This feel like you want to slow down somebody else.

[Tracee]

It's a Ryan Phillippe character.

[Weezy]

Let me tell you this right now. That was one. That was one white boy that used to have me. Ryan Phillippe girl. White boys didn't even go to my.

[Mandy]

School growing up of that era.

[Weezy]

When I tell you Ryan Phillippe was a cute little. I said, this is the American white boy. That's Ryan Philippi.

[Tracee]

He was cute.

[Weezy]

He was cute. What happened to him?

[Mandy]

This is my American.

[Tracee]

He was married to what's her face. That's Reese Witherspoon's ex husband. Remember they met on Cruel Intentions. You got me.

[Weezy]

Yeah, but I feel like recently he don't look as good as he did back in the day.

[Mandy]

Do any of he aged?

[Weezy]

Oh, my God, he aged like he aged like.

[Mandy]

Right now.

[Tracee]

Who, Pedro Pascal?

[Mandy]

No, no. I was thinking about someone from the back of the day. Lindsay Lohan got that same Chris. Jennifer.

[Weezy]

Look how good he used to fucking look.

[Tracee]

He was hot.

[Weezy]

You want to hear, bro? Ryan Philippe look like milk.

[Mandy]

Friends made all I always liked.

[Tracee]

I did like Leonardo DiCaprio.

[Weezy]

Oh, loved Leo. Love Leo. Girl, I wanted Leo to fuck me in a car like he fucked Kate Winslet. Oh, my God.

[Mandy]

That was suggestive sex. That was happening.

[Tracee]

That was sex. Oh, yeah, the hand.

[Mandy]

The hand was daddy girl.

[Weezy]

We saw Nip and we saw him draw it.

[Tracee]

Yeah, we saw the whole thing.

[Weezy]

That was a sexy fucking scene.

[Tracee]

Oh, my God, I love that.

[Mandy]

Now I do want to talk more pointy stuff.

[Weezy]

I'm mad that we're talking about all these white people like this.

[Tracee]

Well, you said it was your white boy. That's why I went with.

[Mandy]

We're really going to be honest here. Like, a lot of the black sex movie scenes came so much later from.

[Tracee]

And also, I mean, it should be said that erotica, at least in literature, black books were really stigmatized. Like just a soldier was.

[Mandy]

I mean, was really pushed and she wear a hijab.

[Weezy]

I think for me though, too, like black erotic literature. And maybe it was the ones I like to read, but it stereotyped black people so bad. Like there was always gangs, drugs, violence, death, then sex.

[Tracee]

And that also has a lot to do with just the world of Publishing and racism in there, which makes sense.

[Weezy]

But a lot of the books that I read there were drug dealers. They lived in the projects. Even Winsor lived in the projects. Where she Met Midnight.

[Mandy]

I hate that all my black love stories were trapped because. Because if I think about my favorite black sex scene ever of movies, baby.

[Tracee]

Boy, I never saw it.

[Weezy]

Oh, I used to like loving basketball.

[Tracee]

I think I love love in basketball.

[Weezy]

I don't now as an adult. It's terrible.

[Tracee]

I have not gone back.

[Weezy]

Do not go back.

[Tracee]

I'm not gonna go back.

[Weezy]

I'm really mad that a movie that is a classic that I love. I watched it recently. I was like, bitch, this was your favorite movie.

[Mandy]

No, I hate to cut this short, only because I have to go to the Air Force. And that's why I really wanna talk about more porn, erotica, dirty shit with you because you're such a nice woman. But please tell everybody Vanill, where to find you and what they can expect. Listening to Stacks Pod.

[Tracee]

You can find me at the Stax podcast on Instagram thestaxpodcast.com I do a weekly show. It's about books. You can find me talking about books. Honestly, you're not gonna find me talking about pussy. Yeah, don't worry.

[Mandy]

There's hard. They only have us for that.

[Tracee]

Yeah, you already have your pussy place. The Pussy Palace. Yes, I'm more of the Paige's palace, if you will.

[Weezy]

However. However, we did an episode. You do get to hear Books and pussy.

[Mandy]

So.

[Tracee]

Okay. The thing about my show that I feel really fun for people and fun for me is that all sorts of people write books. And so I get to do an episode with you all where I talk about sex and friendship and all these things. And then, you know, I think the week before your. Or no, sorry, that's not true. Cause this is coming out in July. I think that, like, you know, around the time that your book comes out or your episode comes out, got an episode about a thriller coming out. We did a book for book club in June called the Art Thief, which is about a guy who stole a bunch of art. We did. You know, we're doing all sorts of books. And I'm trying to, you know, highlight different kinds of literature and get people, you know. In April, we do Poetry Month. Cause it's National Poetry Month, so we do all sorts of shit. But I think the most important thing to say to people is, I try not to ever let anyone feel like they're too dumb for books. Cause I think, you know, similarly, you all probably Deal with a lot of stigma around sex and all of this stuff. And there's that in the book world where people feel like they're not smart enough for books. They don't understand read books.

[Weezy]

And now they do. We don't wrote it.

[Tracee]

You wrote it. You read it. Yeah. So I want people to feel like I always say I'm the dumbest person in the room. Like, when I'm talking to these people who have Pulitzer prizes and I'm like, so what kind of snacks do you eat? You know? But like, it's also on purpose too. It's like, I want people to feel welcome into the book world. And there's enough books for.

[Mandy]

That's why people love Theo and Donald Trump. We need to see human granular level, that shit.

[Tracee]

Don't compare me to Donald Trump. But otherwise.

[Mandy]

Otherwise interviewing style, like, it's.

[Tracee]

Yeah.

[Mandy]

That is why the O is so great. I hate him for what he did. I really think it contributed to the vote. But being a good interviewer is asking shit that no one else asked on their press run. Shoot. Did for Mandy and I. So thank you.

[Tracee]

Oh, good. I got good questions. So you guys did that.

[Mandy]

How did we write the book? Like when. When you said how? Down to where we did it. Laptop, phone. That was such a great question.

[Tracee]

Oh, thank you.

[Mandy]

That's one of my go tos.

[Tracee]

Well, thank you guys for having me. This was fun.

[Mandy]

Bye, everybody. Go and check us out on patreon.com horribledecisions for more juicy tea and come.

[Weezy]

See us on tour. We touring bitches. NHB Tour.com we are bringing the book from the pages to the stages in a city near you. Do not forget to fucking join us on tour nhbtour.com and get your book, pussy asshole.

[Mandy]

Bye. This is an I heart podcast.