EP 446: The Box Theory (ft. Jodie K. Taylor)

Summary

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Decisions, Decisions — EP 446: The Box Theory (ft. Jodie K. Taylor)

Release Date: November 10, 2025

Episode Overview

This week on Decisions, Decisions, hosts Mandii B. and Quesie Tank (subbing for WeezyWTF) sit down with Jodie K. Taylor—a leader in corporate strategy, digital influence, and the “glow up” lifestyle—for an in-depth, candid conversation about modern relationships, the limiting effect of "the box theory," leveling up, finding authenticity, and the complexities of success and identity as Black women navigating nontraditional paths. Packed with laughs, honesty, vulnerability, and real talk about dating, aesthetics, investments (both literal and emotional), and the ever-changing social scene, this episode challenges the narratives of what women (and men) "should" want and how they present themselves in a world that compartmentalizes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Social Climbing, Aesthetics, and Black Women in Professional Spaces

Timestamps: 04:36–11:14

• The hosts and Jodie reflect on their experiences at the Cannes Lions Festival, comparing different networking environments for Black professionals.
• Mandii voices frustration about Black people being hypercritical of Black-led events, noting:
  “The more things that we create of our own…we need funding. If the Black people don’t believe in it, how are we gonna get the white people to believe in it to cut the checks?” (06:34)
• They highlight the additional barriers for Black women who are sexually liberated and content creators—the struggle for legitimacy and support both inside and outside their community.

2. Aesthetics, Liberation, and Authentic Power

Timestamps: 08:56–13:51

• Quesie and Mandii discuss how Jodie’s “glow up” content can be both aspirational and intimidating for women in entrepreneurship and non-corporate spaces.
• Jodie reframes rejection and lack of mainstream support:
  “No gets exhausting. But no is also data. There is no such thing as a no—it's just information.” (12:50)
• She emphasizes being pioneers in their space:
  “People don’t have the space to hold multiple truths at once…When I talk about presenting, it’s not about being inauthentic—people make snap judgments within seven seconds.” (11:14)

3. Validation, Corporate vs. Entrepreneurial Identity, and Self-Acceptance

Timestamps: 13:51–16:03

• Quesie shares her self-realization around getting validation re-entering corporate after successful entrepreneurship:
  “The second I was on a payroll again, I was like, oop, yeah, I’m really doing it...and it’s ridiculous because at the end of the day, entrepreneurship is the goal for everyone.” (15:37)
• The hosts and Jodie identify how aesthetics and “tribal” cues influence dating and self-worth.

4. Dating, Men’s Value Propositions, and the Problem with Chasing Wealth

Timestamps: 16:03–22:21

• Lively debate about the realities of dating finance bros, athletes, and wealthy men.
• Jodie challenges “dating up” as a goal:
  “When women are obsessed with dating rich men, I think it is extremely lame and corny—a proxy for low self-esteem…The women who I think have agency, who feel great about themselves, they’re not really the ones obsessed with marrying rich.” (21:11)
• Parallel drawn: men who chase “models” aren’t high-value, and women who chase “rich men” similarly miss self-fulfillment.

5. The Importance of Hobbies, Hobbies as Glow-Up Essentials

Timestamps: 28:29–34:35

• Jodie shares that her massive poll shows men overwhelmingly value women having hobbies, strong friendships, and personal investments over looks.
• Mandii is surprised:
  “I thought it was gonna be physical…especially because men like to be in the gym. Most niggas want to date their goddamn homeboy.” (29:43)
• Jodie:
  “Men don’t care about beauty anymore…so many beautiful women are extraordinarily boring. No dynamics.” (29:59)

6. Hair, Identity, and Unlearning Beauty Norms

Timestamps: 33:02–36:00

• Jodie and the hosts open up about their hair journeys, especially for Black women, as an act of healing, rebellion, and self-definition.
• Jodie:
  “I wanted to walk into a room and feel confident and sexy without having to hide behind the hair.” (34:35)
• On hair as a barrier to spontaneous life and events:
  “There were so many things I was opting out of in life because my hair’s not done.” (34:41)

7. Masterclass & The Physical/Social/Career Glow-Up

Timestamps: 36:00–38:35

• Jodie outlines her Masterclass focused on three areas:
  • Physical: Hairstyles, posture, grooming.
  • Social Capital: Building networks, joining boards, social strategy.
  • Career: Corporate and entrepreneurial advice.
• Practical advice:
  “Find the hairstyle that works for you. Find clothes that like you back, for the body you’re in—not the body you used to have.” (49:21)

8. Investment Priorities: Where Should Women (and Men) Spend Their Money?

Timestamps: 47:09–54:16

• Jodie’s “Big Four” for women:
  “Hair, skin, teeth, body. Focus on the things that move the needle—not micro things like new clothes or nails.” (47:25)
• On men: focus on hygiene, teeth, beard/trimming, and capsule wardrobes:
  “A lot of women are making more money. Money is not moving the needle anymore…Men investing in therapy and emotional availability are going to win.” (53:39)

9. Style, Capsule Wardrobes, and Signature Looks

Timestamps: 54:16–57:25

• The value of a consistent aesthetic or signature:
  “There’s a currency in being able to have things people can identify you by...Your hair, nail color, wardrobe—it’s a brand.” (56:48)

10. Dating “Box Theory” and the Limits of Labels

Timestamps: 60:38–62:22

• They respond to the viral “Box Theory” for men:
  • Three boxes: not interested, hookup, or want to date.
• Mandii and Jodie both push back:
  Mandii: “I don’t agree…there’s more than three boxes for me.” (61:09)
  Jodie: “I think for me, men expect me to be way— I actually am shockingly very down to earth. I think I’m a dynamic person.” (62:23)
• Experiences can break out of the box over time, but gendered snap judgments persist.

11. Softness, Femininity, and Emotional Regulation

Timestamps: 66:17–68:12

• Jodie discusses why so many women struggle with being “soft” and emotionally open in dating: “Softness comes from having the psychological space to rest…[but] all day, we’re all making decisions, directing people. We don’t have the opportunity to lean into our body. Emotional regulation, being able to say how you’re feeling—that’s the softness men are looking for.” (66:17)
• Steps to reconnect:
  • Do childhood hobbies.
  • Delegate decisions and household chores when possible.
  • Learn to verbalize your emotions directly.

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Notable Quotes

• On making space for multidimensional Black women:
  “You all are the first to do something like this, where you’re cascading against entrepreneurship, sex-positivity, podcasting…But people don’t have the space to hold multiple truths at once.” (Jodie K. Taylor, 11:14)

• On the real “glow-up” investment:
  “Women hyper-fixate on the micro that isn’t actually moving the needle…You need to focus on the Big Four: hair, skin, teeth, body.” (Jodie K. Taylor, 47:23)

• On the “box theory” for men:
  “I don’t agree, I think there’s more than three boxes…especially within the first 20 minutes.” (Mandii B., 61:09)

• On entrepreneurship vs. corporate validation:
  “I left my corporate job…to talk about sex for a living, make more money than I did. But…the second I got right back into having that kind of title, that made me feel good.” (Quesie Tank, 15:37)

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Highlighted Segments with Timestamps

• Critique of Black Cultural Events: (06:34)
• How “No” is Data and Fuel: (12:50)
• Finance Bros, Scarcity, & Box Theory: (16:25, 60:38)
• Jodie’s Masterclass Structure: (36:00)
• Investment Priorities for Women: (47:23)
• Dating “outside the box” and “softness”: (66:17)

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Memorable Moments

• Lively laughter and honesty about dating finance bros (16:07–16:25), and the myth of dating athletes past age 35 (“They all girls growing, woman. Girl to girl. No, you know what’s funny…”).
• The running joke about aesthetic “tribes”—Quesie, Mandii, and Jodie likening themselves to various girl groups, backup dancers, and the reclamation of short hair.
• The discussion of social capital, especially “junior boards” and philanthropic networks, as key to next-level networking for upwardly mobile women of color. (31:46)
• Jodie’s assertion that the true “glow up” is about the self, not being seen or consumed by the gaze of men. (49:20)
• Candid confessions about family, identity, childhood, therapy, and unlearning immigrant-norm pressure (41:04–42:49).

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Final Thoughts & Resources

• Jodie K. Taylor’s Socials/Masterclass:
  • TikTok: @jodykt
  • Instagram: @jodyktail
  • Masterclass & more: jodykt.com
  • “The Masterclass is virtual and open to women worldwide.” (68:34)
• Main Takeaway: The path to personal, professional, and relational fulfillment is found in self-knowledge and authenticity, not assimilation or clout-chasing. Say “no” to society’s boxes. Glow up for yourself first.
• Closing Words:
  “Get a chief of staff, boss bitch!” (Quesie Tank, 68:13)

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This episode is indispensable for anyone navigating identity, relationships, and professional glow-ups outside traditional boxes—infused with the humor, honesty, and relatability that make Decisions, Decisions a must-listen for free thinkers.

Transcript

[Jody K. Taylor]

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[Mandy B.]

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[Quesie Tank]

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[Mandy B.]

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[Mandy B.]

I don't think you should say Decisions, decisions. It sounded like you was talking to Kirsten.

[Quesie Tank]

You definitely say the. Welcome.

[Mandy B.]

Welcome to the new podcast.

[Quesie Tank]

Oh, wait, you wanna say it together?

[Mandy B.]

Decisions, decisions. Hey, guys. Welcome to another episode of Decisions, Decisions. I'm your girl, Mandy. E.B.

[Quesie Tank]

We have to be very proper.

[Mandy B.]

I'm your girl, Quesie Tank.

[Quesie Tank]

I feel like we have, like, a. And you're from Boston, but Southern Vail. I have a.

[Jody K. Taylor]

You have a New England girly here.

[Quesie Tank]

Oh, is that the New England vibe?

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah, it's the New England culture.

[Quesie Tank]

Are they premier and property?

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yes. And I went to private school.

[Mandy B.]

All I know is if y' all watching these hoes on the YouTube, they sat and. Cause they got these little demure dresses on, and I'm over here looking like a stud. No, there's no posture you're getting. I look like a backup dancer.

[Quesie Tank]

We're not gonna do this right now. No, no, this fits the vibe.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah, you look good.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, I look like if this was a girl group, I'd be the rapper.

[Quesie Tank]

That's what it is. I agree.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Fair.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah.

[Jody K. Taylor]

That's what it's good for.

[Mandy B.]

We are giving three lw.

[Quesie Tank]

Oh, wait, I thought you were gonna say tlc.

[Mandy B.]

Cause these are giving. It's giving tlc. It's giving tlc.

[Quesie Tank]

So we. I don't know when you met Jodie, but maybe we met at the same time I met Jodie and can. For our first time, we went. And I think it was downstairs. The bathroom was.

[Jody K. Taylor]

No, I was like, oh, my God. Because I'm obsessed with you.

[Quesie Tank]

But, like, I love a good bathroom moment because you don't really meet people after. And even though we haven't hung after yet, but I find that, like, the Bathroom moment always ends. And I really appreciated that. When I started to see your videos later, I was like, oh, the girls, girls energy is real. Because sometimes meeting people in the flesh is a little bit of a disappointment. So if y' all are here because you follow Jodie, she was kind of the same period. How do y' all know each other?

[Jody K. Taylor]

I don't know. I did see you in Cannes. We were on the same Gary Vee yacht, I think.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, wait, Anne was. Yeah, not the Gary Vee yacht. It was the.

[Jody K. Taylor]

I know I saw you outside of that.

[Mandy B.]

It was the one with. Was it the one where Lucky Day performed?

[Jody K. Taylor]

May I don't. I saw you at Cannes. You looked great.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, thank you. That can I be having about 11 Aperol spritz in me. So it's like I gotta get the number and everyone from Cannes I have to meet back up with when I come to the States. Otherwise that week I meet so many people and so many. Like, that's all you do?

[Jody K. Taylor]

All? Yeah.

[Quesie Tank]

That's actually one of the events where I wonder if you've ever dropped it. We're gonna ask you later, like, where to set the social scene. But that's when I would put up there for.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Oh, I got little for dropping it to me.

[Mandy B.]

Cannes has been like, first off, it's now on my list for the rest of my life until they start pushing us niggas out. But it's one of the places where it's been so easy to meet other like minded professionals. And to me, just because you're out there, you black, everyone's dressed to the nine and everyone is there just to have a good time. And that when you are having a good time in another country with someone else, you want to bring that energy back.

[Quesie Tank]

It's different too than experiencing like, for anyone listening, Cannes Lines Festival is what we're talking about. It is a creative festival. It feels different than Afro Tech to me because for some reason, when you're that far.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah, it's a different vibe.

[Quesie Tank]

It's like, oh, it's a different vibe. And not only that, they know that the job you're holding must already be something.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yes.

[Quesie Tank]

Or if you are an influencer and starting out like you've made it this far. Yeah. I think sometimes the other ones can feel a little bit too conventiony, like too desperate, too, like, I need something. I saw a lot of bad reviews about Afro Tech and I don't know why, like, oh, I know a thousand people going up.

[Mandy B.]

It's just because black people love to Talk shit about our own things. Like, they do it with Invest Fest, they did it with Essence. They do it with like. And I literally talked about this on selective ignorance. There's. It's frustrating to see, like, the more things that we create of our own, right? We need funding. We need people to give us money. Baby, DEI is already gone. So the fact that we want to shit on our own things that we're creating for ourselves, what it's really doing is hurting the ability or opportunity that we may have to find funding or get sponsorships. Because, baby, if the black people don't believe in it, how are we gonna get the white people to believe in it to cut the checks? So to me, that's how the BET.

[Quesie Tank]

Awards being stepped up. I was really glad to see that.

[Mandy B.]

They stepped it up and then got rid of Soul Train and Hip Hop. So it's like, yeah, I do believe.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Black people are hypercritical. They are, but it's because I don't think they feel like they have agency. And so when you don't feel like you have agency to do, then you only have agency to critique. And.

[Mandy B.]

But how you critique our own shit, clearly we have the agency to. And we see people getting bigger and bigger and bigger and it's almost like a bit of some hate. You also don't want to see your own peers and black people excel beyond the thing.

[Quesie Tank]

It's weird how we feel like white ice is colder. And that's why I probably said Kansas better shit there it is than Houston. Oh my God. Okay, Jody. Jody Taylor. We just started reading bios in the show.

[Mandy B.]

I ain't gonna hold you.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Oh my God.

[Mandy B.]

Weasy been killing the bios. I say this, who we got? Bam.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Okay, Jody, that's it.

[Quesie Tank]

Who's called? New York City home for the past decade. Decade is a distinguished leader in the corporate strategy and digital influence space. A modern day aspirational figure providing unparalleled access. Ooh.

[Mandy B.]

With braces too.

[Quesie Tank]

And transparency into the concept of the Glow up lifestyle and being on an intentional journey of growth, self betterment. With a strategic and empowering approach, she is inspiring women to embrace new habits, elevate their ambitions and become the vest version of themselves. Sorry. Now I want to say it's not just your TikTok and IG stuff, because this is to me, the Jody effect in person. Right? Which is so adorable. So Trap House opened first week. I was like, jodi come. She comes through Brianda text the group chat. Oh my God, there's a girl so hot. Here.

[Jody K. Taylor]

And, oh, my gosh, that is so flattering.

[Quesie Tank]

We need her to come all the time. And when we started talking about just maybe the aesthetic of people coming in, how to market to people, she was like, I want 100 Jody's. I want more C suite beautiful women. I want powerful black women. I want to feel it when they come in the door. Because sometimes we're out and we meet someone that has a job, but you can't tell. And one of the things that you've talked about is, like, leveling up and how you're carrying yourself, how you're dressing, which for me, doesn't look the same because I'm an entrepreneur that doesn't have that aesthetic. And it's like, sometimes I've watched those videos and felt a little bit invalidated in the younger years of entrepreneurship. Like, I do this thing, or I talk about sex and needing to, like, own it is all also part of the power.

[Jody K. Taylor]

So, wait, question for you, though, in terms of feeling invalidated. Tell me a little bit more about that, or is both of y'. All.

[Mandy B.]

She start with our goddamn book.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Okay, tell it. Tell me.

[Mandy B.]

We don't get supported. We don't get asked to enter certain spaces.

[Jody K. Taylor]

And do you think it's an aesthetic?

[Mandy B.]

It's because we're sexually liberated. It's because of the content. And so the problem that I've been having. And it's funny because I just had an episode shout out to Ashley Cobb, who's a sexpert. It's the same thing. It's like we're battling with the freedom to exist as C suite entrepreneurs and all these things, while also having the space to own our own autonomy, which is being taken away from us through laws, and then also just being able to be happy with how we're existing, right? And we're getting the issues from brands, from corporations, and then also from other black women, even within the space, a.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Lot of black women.

[Mandy B.]

And it's what I'm realizing, too, is just like, damn, how much harder can a bitch work? New York Times bestseller now means nothing even to our goddamn publishers. They're like, yeah, well, if you want to sit here and promote the book, maybe you need to just go to sex conventions.

[Quesie Tank]

Oh, that was crazy.

[Mandy B.]

We were told as New York Times bestsellers with a book that is being transformative, with a lot of reviews on Amazon, that actually has. Has been transforming the way people view themselves and stepping into their power and overcoming trauma. Well, maybe y' all should go to sex conventions.

[Quesie Tank]

What?

[Jody K. Taylor]

I think it's difficult because people want to compartmentalize. Right. It's easy. It's human psychology to dictate. You look like this, Ergo, you deserve these things. And you're this kind of person.

[Mandy B.]

Yes.

[Jody K. Taylor]

However, you all exist across multitudes, and that is a really difficult place to be. You all are the pioneers of this, so you're going to have an undue burden. It's going to be easier for the next wheezy and Mandy. But y' all are the first to do something like this, where you're cascading against entrepreneurship, sex, positivity, podcasting. You all own this shit. This is crazy that y' all are owning this. But unfortunately, people don't have the space to hold multiple truths at once. And that's why when I talk about, like, presenting, it's not from a. It's not from a place of being inauthentic. But quite frankly, people make snap judgments. They're deciding within seven seconds whether to give you the funding. They're deciding, deciding within seven seconds how to engage with you. Men are deciding in seven seconds. Like you said, the box theory, what category to put you in. And either you can choose to play the game, which I think many people do, or you can choose not to, which is what y' all are doing. But that's incredible and fantastic. Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Sessions bitch.

[Quesie Tank]

Yes.

[Mandy B.]

The way. The way, like, the. The amount of no's we've heard. Me and Weasley even just got into a group chat together with. With Tempest, and we were like, bro, we're so sick of fucking hearing no. Yeah. Like, we've heard no so much over the last fucking two years. Even, like, after the rebrand, and there's still just been like, God damn, what the fuck can we do? Like, and there's a. There's a thing I talk about, like, even with shooting your shot, right? Being able to accept rejection. Yep. Being able to accept rejection goes around. Hearing no in so many ways, so many facets. Not just. Not just dating. Like, it's in almost every fucking corner. Like, hearing no that much is like, this is exhausting.

[Jody K. Taylor]

It is.

[Mandy B.]

No gets exhausting.

[Jody K. Taylor]

It is exhausting. But no is also data. There is no such thing as a no. It's just information. So when I hear no, I hear this is information that I'm getting from this space. What can I do to alchemize this no? So it's never a no. It's. What are the pieces that I'm. So, for example, if someone does a video, this is a very, like, tepid. Example. But if someone does a video and I also do the same video, my video flops. Their video does. Fantastic. It's a no in terms of the algorithm. It's the no in terms of perception. Fine. But what I'm able to do is sit in the know because it's uncomfortable and it sucks. But also, I can either continue to do that, or I can figure out what is this person doing that's better than me, and how can I alchemize that information and data to make me better? And that is how I've built a platform. Because I've been doing content for a minute, and some of the girls blew up way past me. But what I was able to do is say, oh, she's doing this. She has the right lighting, she has the right hooks, she has X, Y, Z. So even on a meta scale, and I'm not comparing a TikTok video to what y' all are going through, but on a meta scale, no is data. And I really lean into the no. And I actually think you should chase the no's, especially right now. Like, y' all are the.

[Quesie Tank]

The. The thing that I'm thinking about with what you're saying, especially with the invitation being feeling like, sorry, where?

[Jody K. Taylor]

Was invalidated.

[Quesie Tank]

Yeah, yeah. Being invalidated by women that are chasing a certain life or trying to get somewhere, and we look different. For me, unfortunately, it did have to come with other accolades. Like, our podcast did so many numbers, so many things that it had broke barriers for. So many accomplishments we've had. Even with, like, being part of the inception of the Black Effect Network. That's now huge. Just being those girls, the first girls, like, just, like, being unleashed on this whole big journey that Charlamagne started, that's now beyond him. When I got back into corporate, so Mandy and I left corporate. We were corporate girlies that started our show when I got to run a podcast division. And, I mean, still doing it, like. But when I got to do that again, being in a different space show made me feel more powerful, and I hated that it did that, because the entrepreneurship was really the big deal. I left my corporate job being a sales engineer and working in tech to talk about sex for a living, make more money than I did. But the second I got right back into having that kind of title, that made me feel good. What's strange to me is how much we need the validity from others. The way that I felt for my own self was amazing. Oh, my God. I don't have to get up to work. I'm like, loving it. I'm on vacation. I'm working from home. I can record my podcast on Zoom. But the second I was on a payroll again, I was like, oop, yeah, I'm really doing it. And it's ridiculous because at the end of the day, entrepreneurship is the goal for everyone. I was working with all of them, all of them, all of them, all of them. And they're all like, damn, what the fuck made you want to get back and do this? I'm like, I don't fucking know. But I will say my aesthetic learned to lean in and love it. It was weird for me, the first year of being single after a relationship, because I thought, oh, I'm starting to have a look. I didn't have as many tattoos. I didn't have a septum ring when I got with him. But this is my thing, things I like. And what I learned is, like, my tribe is my tribe. Like, the men I'm looking for kind of look the same. Right. I don't really do well with finance bros. Yeah.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Because most don't. I would say most don't.

[Quesie Tank]

I don't think they.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Cause they be doing coke and shit. Them n be. Them niggas be having the vodka bottle at the bottom of their desk. They work a lot of hours, then they gotta hang out with other bros. Hello. That's what other bros like. Stripper bitches. So now there it is. They in brothels, they in strip clubs. They coked out.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah. I would say the skill.

[Mandy B.]

I mean, they.

[Jody K. Taylor]

But the girls that are chasing the finance bros, I think have girls chasing them. They've never dated a finance bro before. Have you seen on Tik Tok? I want a man 62, finance, whatever. Like, the black girls, the white girls, everybody. But they haven't got. They haven't gotten it. Because what you don't understand is the skills that make you great at finance are the exact skills that make horrible partnership.

[Mandy B.]

The way the girls be wanting the athlete. Now I'll be like, oh, girls.

[Jody K. Taylor]

The girls want athletes, girl.

[Mandy B.]

They all girls growing woman, girl to girl.

[Jody K. Taylor]

No.

[Mandy B.]

You know, it's funny. You know what's funny about that? I'm not going to lie. All of my homegirls, 35, don't nobody want a motherfucking athlete now.

[Jody K. Taylor]

I can't think of anything.

[Mandy B.]

I think athletes are like, it's a young girls game. It's a young girl's game. Either you got them in mind you. I still got one on my roster, but just one. I only got one.

[Quesie Tank]

She Said that's your back.

[Mandy B.]

Yes, it was. I have one. Just one?

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[Mandy B.]

But I don't want to be with. I don't desire being with him. Like, the idea of being with a guy like that.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Is like, fuck.

[Quesie Tank]

Wait, why?

[Jody K. Taylor]

Tell me, what's the experience?

[Mandy B.]

I think the way you think. I mean, they don't do coke because they get drug tested. Well, apparently they do the pink coke on the yachts in the off season. That was crazy.

[Quesie Tank]

I didn't want them to take a black man down and say, hey, everyone's doing gummy bear stuff. Whatever.

[Mandy B.]

Listen to me. I think just. They're the type of men that have never had to really compromise. They're the type of men that have always been given everything to them, that have never been held accountable for how they treat others because the world has been a Runway for them because they've been able to provide for family. They don't have friends that check them because the friends are on the payroll. And so in terms of how they show up in relationships, it's very surface, it's very lonely, it's very empty. And then you do have to realize that is going to be a person that you share that will most likely embarrass you. And now.

[Quesie Tank]

You know what's interesting though?

[Mandy B.]

What?

[Quesie Tank]

Because I know a lot of your content has been about rich men and that discussion. People would say that for any rich guy.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Do you.

[Mandy B.]

Do you believe that about any rich man?

[Jody K. Taylor]

I do believe that about any rich man. I think I believe that about a lot of men, actually. They don't even have to be rich.

[Mandy B.]

They don't even have to be rich.

[Jody K. Taylor]

If you are super attractive, if you're attractive, if you make in this economy over 200,000.

[Mandy B.]

I was about to say, hold on. It's funny that. It's funny that you said that in comparison to Eric. So I was with my family this weekend and my sister is talking to a new guy. His career you wouldn't think anything of, but my mom has experience with men in this career. So for. We're not talking about rich, wealthy men. Apparently truck drivers are terrible men to date. And so listening to them this weekend talk about how truck driving is a career that if a man has, he ain't shit because he's always on the road, he might have his certain routes. So he got a bitch on these routes that were going on.

[Quesie Tank]

But you know what's crazy?

[Mandy B.]

What?

[Quesie Tank]

So my partner is a real estate investor and he has been for the last, I don't know, maybe Six, seven years. We've only been dating two years, but that was his first job and that was how he got income.

[Mandy B.]

And that's property.

[Quesie Tank]

You might be right, bro.

[Mandy B.]

The truck driver. Literally, truck drivers.

[Jody K. Taylor]

That I didn't know about.

[Mandy B.]

Truck drivers.

[Jody K. Taylor]

But you know, those careers are the.

[Quesie Tank]

All that time on the truck, listening to them pot, flipping houses, learning shit.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, there it is. Okay, what other career then? If you're like, it's any guy. Are you just saying all men, whether they got a job or not?

[Jody K. Taylor]

I'm not saying all men. Some of the, some of the most insane men I've ever dated have been in construction. I mean, H vac. Like it can be anything. The issue is supply and demand. And the issue is perception and access. It doesn't really matter how much money they have. What matters is who they have access to, their perception.

[Mandy B.]

Girl, everybody got access to everybody.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Now with social media, I also think it depends. So for example, if I, me and my homegirls are at a party, I have seen this with my own eyes. A regular dude who works at a great tech company, you would think he was Lebron. The way that women are like circulating now.

[Quesie Tank]

What is it? Is it the look?

[Jody K. Taylor]

I mean, he's moderately attractive, has a good job, but in this economy where most men don't have a lot of those things, we're in a scarcity mindset. They're going to be rotating. And that's why I always say I think it is very lame and very corny. And I got lit up for this. When women are obsessed with dating rich men, I think it is extremely lame and I think it's extremely corny. I think it's a proxy for low self esteem, keyword being obsessed.

[Mandy B.]

So what is, what is your thoughts on women who are obsessed?

[Jody K. Taylor]

Sprinkle, sprinkle, all of that with the sprinkle? Yeah, I think so.

[Quesie Tank]

Wait, what are you talking about?

[Jody K. Taylor]

Sprinkle, sprinkle, sprinkle, sprinkle. You don't know the sprinkle sprinkle?

[Mandy B.]

The little sprinkle sprinkle lady who was talking about, you know, sprinkle?

[Quesie Tank]

I'm sorry, I lost. So is this a new drug?

[Jody K. Taylor]

Okay, so I did a TikTok saying I think women who are obsessed with rich men are lame. And I kind of got lit up. Some women understood, some did it. Okay, I, for example, if, girl, this.

[Mandy B.]

Is a longer format, you could break it down.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Okay, perfect. You gotta be choppy.

[Mandy B.]

So explain what you meant.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Okay, so for example, if a man said, I'm obsessed with dating models, I think we would be like, oh, that's lame and that's corny. I think I don't understand where the dichotomy is for some people. But when women are outsourcing their agency and autonomy to a man with money because it's very difficult to have that sort of relationship and there isn't any leverage points that aren't being exploited because that's human nature. There is going to be a level of exploitation when someone has such an advantage over someone else. Additionally, when you are using a socially valued resource like beauty or money and you are obsessed with capturing that resource in a partner, I believe it is a proxy for having low self esteem. The women who I think have agency, who feel beautiful, who feel great about themselves, they're not really the ones that are obsessed with marrying rich. It's usually the people who have never experienced it or who don't like themselves. Similarly with men, men who are obsessed with dating the baddest women, it's never the fine men and it's never the super wealthy men. It is the people who are using other people, their partners, as proxies for their own low self esteem. And so that's why when I think women who are obsessed with dating rich, wealthy, they don't believe they can do it themselves. They are outsourcing their future to somebody else.

[Mandy B.]

That's why I said I feel powerful now as a woman. Like I don't. I like this, I like that.

[Quesie Tank]

Because here's the thing, you just checkboxed something for me that I said the other day. So went to dinner with a friend of mine. I would say maybe 10 figures, which to me is insane. Yeah, we all go eat. Brings partner, new partner. And my homegirl says, can I say it? I was like, say it babe. She was like, not that she wasn't great. I just thought he'd have this like super hot Russian model. Society doesn't, but I see why. Because she's like, you know, and the way that he talked about it, he's like, oh, and she just left Japan and was doing that. And like they're enamored by these other things they do. And do you remember my, my friend that dated the manager at Ross? Yeah, that to me, the way everyone treated him.

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[Quesie Tank]

It's so true.

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[Quesie Tank]

Goodbye. So we listen and we judge.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Okay.

[Quesie Tank]

My homeboy, who maybe nine figure, not ten. Okay, but lot of bread at the airport, couldn't take his plane was in the lounge. I think that's where he met the girl. She was going on a solo trip somewhere to go to the jungle. He was obsessed with the fact that she was able to do this alone. He's like, I could tell this was like her itinerary. Like she wasn't meeting a man. I'm so used to women moving for a man. I see a girl in the Turks. I know who they with.

[Mandy B.]

Drake.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Drake.

[Mandy B.]

Aubrey bitches in Start baby with Dre. I'm glad we all know this.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah, everybody knows.

[Mandy B.]

Oh my goodness.

[Quesie Tank]

So starts connecting with her. Finds out she does lashes on the side or something. But she manages like a TJ Maxx or corner.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, we're bringing this back obsessed.

[Jody K. Taylor]

But I love it.

[Quesie Tank]

She got very insulted that he wanted to level her up.

[Jody K. Taylor]

I see.

[Quesie Tank]

Cut him off when he tried to give her money to more. So invest in lash business or whatever. And I am thinking about what you're saying because that to me is super wealthy. We think super rich niggas are playing ball and rapping and all that and that's the low self esteem shit. We want to recycle the same hot girl every time. But that's super, super next level wealthy. It's not that to me. And this is why I want to bring it up in segue. So you talk a lot about hobbies. And I've been experiencing a lot of friends maybe having call outs by men that feel like they're out too much. And to me it's like, okay, we need more hobbies. What do you think of the.

[Mandy B.]

Who's we? Women. Women need more hobbies or men need more hobbies?

[Quesie Tank]

I think we all do. I think women, women too universally.

[Jody K. Taylor]

So I actually did a poll on Instagram to ask men what they think women can do to glow up. And the number one thing that they said was hobbies. No, nothing physical. It was hobbies. It was getting a better group of friends. It was self investment. It was spending time meaningful. So swear to you, I believe you. 175,000 people I asked and all the men said, you got that?

[Mandy B.]

Do you agree with it? I agree, but why is that such a problem? No, no, no.

[Jody K. Taylor]

You thought it was going to be physical.

[Mandy B.]

I thought it was going to be physical. Like especially because men like to be in the gym. So I would think that what they do, they do. So I'm thinking that's what men would want women to do because I, I really feel like most niggas want to date they goddamn home.

[Quesie Tank]

But you know, they want to be seen.

[Jody K. Taylor]

The hottest girls, they're spoiled with beauty. Men don't care about beauty anymore. There's a million. When I tell you so many beautiful women are so extraordinarily boring and have nothing. No dynamics.

[Mandy B.]

Say this all the time. Well, we go out, we were just out with my homeboy the other day and he literally brought this up because he ended up meeting us at this place that was like. It was a rooftop. Yeah, he meets us at the rooftop. We go from the rooftop to get food. So we go to like this little Korean spot. Then he ends up taking us to one of his homeboy's restaurants that his homeboy owns and literally in between, he was like, yo, this hasn't happened in a while. He was like, I can hang with y' all all night. Like, we were talking, and he was.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Just like, that's rare.

[Mandy B.]

He's constantly. He's in the industry constantly around beautiful women. And I hear this all the time. When me and my homegirl Krystal, or even when me and Rosie be with goddamn niggas. They literally say it all the time like, oh, y' all are cool. We don't. There's so many. There's so much about women now that y' all have to realize, too. Being able to just talk to a man that doesn't involve you trying to date them, that doesn't involve you trying to get to know their baby mama or their backstory on dating. Just being able to exist with men in a way that y' all can both enjoy each other platonically. May y' all suck each other dick at the end of the night. It's possible. Not each other dick, because both of y' all ain't got a dick unless you got one in the closet like me. But may y' all fuck at the end of the night? Sure. But there's a thing about women. Not what, because you just said, have one in the closet like me. I mean, I just got to throw that in there. You know what I mean? But there's a thing right now around women not knowing how to just engage with men when it's not them interviewing them to be their partners or interviewing them to be their fuck buddies. It's like, bro, just hang out with the guy.

[Quesie Tank]

Tell us you have a masterclass. Now. What's the masterclass about? Because we need a little crash course today.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yes. Okay, I'm going to tell you. So the masterclass is born out of. I felt like I. Children of immigrants came to New York City, and there was so much I didn't know. I didn't know about having hobbies. I didn't know about joining a junior board. Do you all know what a junior board is?

[Quesie Tank]

That's like a school, boys club, Stuff like that.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Sort of. So, for example, all museums. Exactly. So all of these philanthropic organizations, they have junior boards for people 40 and younger. And that is where a lot of the networking that's happening with the upwardly mobile exists, in boards. I didn't know about joining boards. I didn't know about conferences. I didn't know about events, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. The masterclass is built to help three components. Physical number one, so we're talking about hairstyles that work for you. Love that. You did the blonde and the short.

[Mandy B.]

Thank you. Oh, girl, not going back. Not going back.

[Quesie Tank]

So wait, these women are in a class and you be like, no to the box.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Sometimes they'll drop photos in the group chat. That's what you're doing. Sometimes in the group chat, they'll add a photo and they'll be like, should I wear my boss? Also, I was actually looking at y'. All.

[Mandy B.]

This is.

[Jody K. Taylor]

This is it. Both of you found your hairstyle or.

[Quesie Tank]

Look.

[Mandy B.]

I ain't going to hold you, but when I see, like, the throwback shit of how I used to, like, wear my hair and stuff.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah, you found it even.

[Mandy B.]

Mind you, I've had men in my life that are like, when I said I was going to cut it off, you know, black men will tell you not to cut your hair off, and.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Then you cut it and they'd be like, the best.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, I like this.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Exactly. Same thing.

[Mandy B.]

So weird.

[Quesie Tank]

I want to see your long hair fix now.

[Mandy B.]

I want to ask you that actually, too, as a black woman with short hair. Yeah. Because I know we have a lot of the short hair girlies, and when we see each other, it's like a. It's almost like an empowered thing to see other girls with short hair. It's almost like a club. Every time I'm out, they see it. But I want to know what your experience was, specifically as a black woman maybe dating black men or talking to any men and their connection to your hair and what that. What that was like. Because me being biracial, you know, I don't think it's the same.

[Jody K. Taylor]

It isn't the same.

[Mandy B.]

My relationship to my hair isn't the relationship that most black women have with their hair.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Correct.

[Mandy B.]

What did cutting your hair off mean to you?

[Quesie Tank]

And in dating.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah. So when I cut my hair, it was very therapeutic. So I grew up in an immigrant household where we prioritize achievement and appearance over everything. So I grew up in a very strict Christian. That's why you're probably like, oh, you're acting like that. That was. That was how I was socialized as a child. I went to prep school. I did all of those things right. So I got rewarded for getting A's, for getting into a great college, for doing the right corporate path and looking beautiful and to look beautiful and to be prim and proper. All of that. That was my reward. So then as I got older and was in therapy, I realized I didn't know who I was. Because I was defaulting so much of my identity to, all right, this is what people like. This is what people say I should do. And so as I was unlearning and unpacking, I went to the hairdresser, and I was like, shave it. Like, this is a therapeutic moment for me. I want to be able to walk into a room and feel confident and to feel sexy without having to hide behind the hair.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah.

[Jody K. Taylor]

And also, as, you know, as women of color, black women, you know, it's such a hindrance.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, it is.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Like, there were so many things I was opting out of in life because I was like, oh, I can't participate in this because my hair's not done. Or my hair is really.

[Mandy B.]

Of course.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Also, I had very, like, I had 4C hair. So it's like, all right. It's a thing where I have to detangle and I have to think about it, and you begin to, like, socialize your life around your hair in a way that was just like, oh, I can't do.

[Quesie Tank]

When you said, hide behind your hair. I have 3C hair. And to me, it's interesting because, like, 4A 3C blend. And I always said, like, mixed girls growing up, people be like, oh, how come you got black girl hair and you don't have this kind of hair? A lot of my biracial friends have that super curly, like, Tracee Ellis Rossi.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah.

[Quesie Tank]

Yeah. My boyfriend said to me when my braids came out, he made me wear no fucking braids in Thailand. We were there a month.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah.

[Quesie Tank]

And so he goes, stop putting on makeup, because you don't even put this much makeup on when you have a braid.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Interesting.

[Quesie Tank]

I didn't even clock it. He was like, you are just. Suddenly, you need this and that. Your hair is out.

[Jody K. Taylor]

That's a good partner. That's a good partner.

[Mandy B.]

It is.

[Quesie Tank]

And it's a some and great partners. Will hold the mirror up.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yep.

[Quesie Tank]

But we need to hold the mirror up. Sorry, go back. So physical.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Physical. Oh, yes. Okay. So the masterclass. We talk about physical. It's everything from. We'll have makeup artists come in. We'll have posture coaches come in, stylists come in, and talk to you about your physical presence, not only on the physical plane, but also how you hold yourself in a room. So that's why the posture piece. It might seem frivolous, but truly.

[Mandy B.]

Exactly.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Truly. You learn how to take up space differently. Exactly. You're doing it. You got to sit at the end of the seat, though. You got to Shoulders back, and you got to put your hands like that. But you hold up.

[Mandy B.]

Y' all just go see me look like.

[Quesie Tank]

Do you know? They say. I think it was someone at the stretch lab that told me. She was like, oh, you know, your posture has changed. I was like, oh, this must be from stretch lab. She's like, maybe something good's going on because you're walking with the.

[Jody K. Taylor]

With your heart open.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jody K. Taylor]

You learn how to take it. And I think a lot of women, women of color, especially when we're in these spaces, like corporate, we have to shrink ourselves. Like, it's literally a physical manifestation of how we feel in a space. And so when you begin to walk open like that, it's indicating to yourself and others, like, I'm free to take up space, and I'm allowed to move how I want to. So anyways, physical. We cover that social. We talk about building social capital, which is a concept I don't think a lot of people, especially people of color, think about in a meaningful way. So I'm talking about how do you get mentors, sponsors joining junior boards? How do you go to events like Cannes? And when you go to Cannes, how do you show up in a way that leaves with meaningful connection and that you can also build an ROI off of? And then lastly is career. So that's everything from working corporate. We talk a lot about entrepreneurs. So the person who's actually in the class tonight is the woman who did Anwar's $10,000. Do you remember Shirley?

[Quesie Tank]

Yes. They. Did you see this?

[Jody K. Taylor]

Did you know?

[Mandy B.]

I saw her go viral.

[Jody K. Taylor]

That's my sis. Girl, I put your fan here at.

[Mandy B.]

That point because it's funny, me and my homegirl literally were just talking about her last week because she met some girl that had a matchmaking service. And we were talking about the difference between dating coach, matchmaking service, da, da, da. And she was $5,000. So we ended up talking about the girl who paid the $10,000 but now is engaged. And so we were talking about the investment of dating, because where we invest in college, we invest in our looks, we invest in all these things. She now, at 39, turned 39, is like, damn, she said, I paid 2500. But we're talking now about what the investment in dating looks like as a woman approaching your 30s that wants a family unit or that wants to get a partner. And so it's interesting to hear her say that she would pay $2,500 even for a matchmaker, because I see in her mind she's like, oh, yeah, this is something now that I have to invest in. So I made the face because I ain't paying $10,000 for no nigga.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Well, I did ANWR's program, too. I paid six or seven.

[Mandy B.]

Six or 7,000. You got a man.

[Quesie Tank]

How did it go?

[Jody K. Taylor]

Well, I have myself, and I have.

[Quesie Tank]

You know, I have myself.

[Jody K. Taylor]

I have my sanity. That's what I do.

[Mandy B.]

Where your ROI on the 6 to 7, though?

[Jody K. Taylor]

So the point of ANWR's program is. And I love ANWR. The point of ANWR's program isn't to get a man, because that's also contingent on someone else.

[Mandy B.]

Okay. Valid.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Right? That's contingent on the pool. That's contingent. What it is, though. It taught me boundaries, and it taught me vulnerability. And I think, as a woman of color, how I grew up.

[Quesie Tank]

Vulnerability.

[Jody K. Taylor]

I did not know how to be vulnerable. I did not know. Okay, so if I were to ask you, how are you feeling? How would you respond to it?

[Quesie Tank]

I'm feeling great. I had a good day. I worked out, and now I'm at work, and I love my job.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Okay. You didn't use a feelings word, right? You said, I feel great. I worked out adjectives. That's not vulnerability. Tell me anything meaningful about your inner world. When I. We talk about vulnerability in relationships and dating with my relationships gave me the feelings. With the feelings. We all feel. I use my feelings wheel. So I'm talking about, oh, I'm feeling really anxious right now. I'm feeling frustrated. I'm feeling really excited. Here is why. It's giving people a peek into your inner world. And when you grew up, how I grew up, which was perfectionism. And you can only let people's. And I think a lot of black women feel this way, too. I. If I have to be perfect in how I show up in order to make silence. Very Jamaican. Yeah. You could tell. Or I'm giving.

[Quesie Tank]

I dated a Jamaican girl for a bit that was constantly talking about perfection. She's like, I don't think you understand.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah.

[Quesie Tank]

Like, so they came from Jamaica when she was maybe five and just almost like, I would say, adjacent to Africans wanting to be the standard. But I didn't really hear that before because what.

[Mandy B.]

What type of, like, did you come from?

[Jody K. Taylor]

Money?

[Mandy B.]

Cause, like, I'm Jamaican.

[Jody K. Taylor]

I was gonna say, you're Jamaican.

[Mandy B.]

I'm Jamaican and white.

[Jody K. Taylor]

What. Where are you from?

[Mandy B.]

They're from St. Catherine. Where from the township. I don't know.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Okay. My mom is from St. Catherine.

[Mandy B.]

They from the country. That's my family.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Okay, okay, okay, okay. We met cousins.

[Mandy B.]

We met like, so they say, Catherine. But what's crazy is. And that's why I asked though, did you come for money? Because the difference with my family wasn't that, but they were workers. So like my uncle, my aunts, my. Like from doing the paper route in the morning to then working at a convention store to then taking care of all the kids hard working hardware to me, which is why my dad for so long, even with this podcast, specifically when I was bartending, it was a part of why I even went to college and went to school. Because when I was bartending, it didn't matter how much money I fucking made every time I went home. When you're going to get a real job.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

And he just didn't think I had a fucking real job. Even though I made money, even though I was paying my own bills, it didn't matter. He wanted me to have a real job. And it wasn't until like even recently I was surprised he was proud of me because this to him isn't a real job.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah, of course. And so doctor, Engineer.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, doctor, engineer, lawyer.

[Quesie Tank]

And he's.

[Mandy B.]

He's. But he's also like blue.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Blue collar.

[Mandy B.]

Blue collar. He's a construction worker. My mom works in healthcare. My. My uncle's also a construction worker. Everyone had blue collar jobs. So for me it's interesting hearing your upbringing like that because for me it was just always work, work, work, make money and have all the jobs that you can. Which is probably why I fucking keep wanting to make jobs for myself. It was always have multiple jobs, just keep working and make all the money. And then also sexuality. This is definitely not.

[Jody K. Taylor]

I was gonna say. How does he feel about this?

[Mandy B.]

Oh, girl. My sister was growing up the favorite daughter.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Okay.

[Mandy B.]

My sister is lesbian.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Okay, well, there we go.

[Mandy B.]

I have seen. It's so interesting subconsciously seeing him detach. Like, my cousin had to leave Jamaica because he was gay. And I talk about it in the book where we have to unlearn so many things, because for me, even though we know he's gay, never saw any partner. We never were introduced to anything he did, even sexually. He just showed up. We knew he was gay and he existed however he had to in his other life. And I literally talked about it with my cousin recently because I was like, damn, how lonely must that have been? Like, we all knew he was gay. We never asked to meet his partners. We never welcomed it growing up. And it was just like, it's hurtful now to realize like, damn, we never embraced his sexuality. And now as a fluid sexual bitch, I am now my sister's gay. My sister says she might go gay because these niggas ain't shit. It's so interesting how we're able to talk about it now, but that was not talked about growing up.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Not talk. I don't know one gay Jamaican. And statistically they have to exist.

[Mandy B.]

No, they exist.

[Quesie Tank]

And that is why I never really got anywhere with that girl.

[Mandy B.]

They exist.

[Quesie Tank]

I don't think you get it.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah. Oh yeah.

[Mandy B.]

No, she was probably living in the closet.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Oh yeah, yeah, she had to have.

[Quesie Tank]

And honestly, when she met me, she said she was Caribbean and didn't specify, which I thought was so strange. But.

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[Jody K. Taylor]

Goodbye.

[Quesie Tank]

Anyway, hold on. We need to get into. Jody, let me shut the about my life. This is what y' all came for. I'm not gonna give it to you. Well, not me.

[Mandy B.]

Okay.

[Quesie Tank]

Investments for women.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yes, I want to talk about both.

[Quesie Tank]

Investments for women, investments for men. We've talked about social capital. But dig into what we need to be spending our money on. Because we're thinking it might be expensive clothes. It might just be one really good little black dress. Who knows?

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah.

[Quesie Tank]

What should we be investing for?

[Jody K. Taylor]

So I think women focus on the wrong things. We hyper fixate on the micro that isn't actually moving the needle. You need to focus on the Big four. That's moving the needle. Hair, skin, teeth, nails or hair, skin, teeth, body, actually. And then we can kind of like fold in sometimes. Nails can fold in. Like, maybe.

[Mandy B.]

Don't care about nails. They actually don't like me.

[Quesie Tank]

No, no, no, no.

[Mandy B.]

They care about feet and toe. No, they care, bro.

[Quesie Tank]

I'm telling you right now. My man clock. Yeah, we were watching 90 Days Beyonce. He's like, look at this girl.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Someone paid me $3,000 because one of my nails fell off. And he was like, you can't do it.

[Mandy B.]

No, no, no broken nails. I get $3,000.

[Quesie Tank]

But that means.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah. He was like, yeah, but.

[Mandy B.]

But if you don't have polish on your nails, a man isn't going to be like, you need a.

[Quesie Tank]

That's not nails to me, though.

[Mandy B.]

What I'm. What I'm saying is if you're a woman that gets your nails done, keeping them up is a thing for me. You could have no nails, Literally no designs, just your natural nails. And a man ain't gonna come up and be like, you need a full set, Ma.

[Quesie Tank]

Yeah, that's not what I think.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah, it's just nail upkeep and nail.

[Mandy B.]

But to me, that's upkeep.

[Quesie Tank]

But I'm also not even.

[Mandy B.]

Don't have a chip.

[Quesie Tank]

Don't have a. I'm talking about the same. Like, I don't. I don't even know if I'm dating men that date girls with like, they, like, you know, like the crazy. Yeah, like, that's not.

[Mandy B.]

Because that's hygiene. Yeah, like, a lot of people question the hygiene in that.

[Quesie Tank]

I don't even know if they know what a full set is.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

But my point, which is why I'm.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Like.

[Mandy B.]

They like a.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Well, talking about men, we're not even talking about, like, that wasn't even the calculus that we need to be making. Because when I'm talking about self investment, I'm not even thinking from the lens of, like, what male care. What men care about. I'm thinking from the lens of, like, what is going to make you feel good and, like, begin the practice of focusing your energy on yourself. So I don't even know if it's about bed or not. I don't care what the bad thing. So when I think about, like, the things that really move the needle in terms of personal appearance and personal brand, it's going to be getting the hairstyle that works for you.

[Quesie Tank]

Yeah.

[Jody K. Taylor]

It's going to be getting your, like, the body, the person. Right. And it's not about A size. It's more about getting your capsule wardrobe together. It's about finding clothes that like you back, finding hairstyles that like you back. Finding things that flatter the body that you're in, not the body that you used to have or the body that you want to have. Exactly. The body that you're currently in. It's about getting your teeth together in whichever way that makes sense. So none of this is prescriptive, right? None of it is like, you better get Ozempic or you better get. But it is making sure that you're demonstrating, like, care in each of those spaces. So even if it's just like whitening or flossing, whatever, teeth make a big difference. Oral hygiene makes a big difference. And then lastly, some of those, like, smaller things, like, yeah, you can focus on the nails and the makeup and things like that, but the big things that will move the needle in terms of how you show up in a physical room and then also how you feel about yourself. It's going to be hair, skin. Skin is another thing. Go to the dermatologist. Get. Get skin care if you need it. Hair, skin, teeth. And then like that body piece. That's really what women should do.

[Quesie Tank]

I think teeth was my biggest elevation in my life. Same people keep saying that I look better than I ever have. And I thought it was like the hair, but I'm like, I thought that about you too.

[Jody K. Taylor]

I'm like, you look good. It was like your Instagram recently. I'm like, but you know what teeth does, too? It also changes your face shape.

[Quesie Tank]

It does.

[Jody K. Taylor]

So it's not about the teeth. It's about, like, jaw.

[Quesie Tank]

This is so.

[Jody K. Taylor]

It's different.

[Quesie Tank]

I'm sorry for saying this. I went to this doctor, Upper east side. She said something. I am 34 years old. I never wanted to have braces until she goes, oh, it's going to change your face. Invisalign isn't going to. Yes, you're going to get a little up. Like, people are going to think you got cheek filler. I was like, oh, really?

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah. You're like dud.

[Quesie Tank]

But I'm telling you, it changed me. It's making people respond to me a different way. And I never thought teeth were this important.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah.

[Quesie Tank]

Because I thought they gonna still fuck.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

It was one of the first things I did.

[Jody K. Taylor]

I went, teeth changes your face shape. It changes how people interact with you. I was thinking about that. You about Weezy. I saw your Instagram and I'm like, she looks good.

[Quesie Tank]

I'm just happy Girl.

[Jody K. Taylor]

And I don't know what. That's true. It might also be happy. But I do think it's a teeth, actually. I actually think it's a teeth.

[Mandy B.]

She gonna have to keep braces in forever.

[Quesie Tank]

Okay, wait. Now this one, I heard has been like, your shit.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yes.

[Quesie Tank]

I want you to pick three. One has to go.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Okay.

[Quesie Tank]

Botox fitness therapy for the glow up. Which one?

[Jody K. Taylor]

I think Botox can go because you can get similar. Similar results from not using Botox. So there's a product called Frownies. I don't know if y' all have ever heard of it, but it's almost like put us on face taping and you sleep with it on, and then it kind of creates the same effect. There's a bunch of products and like, lasers and stuff that you can get collagen, you can get CO2, lasers, you can get clear and brilliant.

[Quesie Tank]

All of that now. Oh, clear and brilliant. I got 700. You gotta give me a guy that's cheaper. All right, another one. Investments for men. For the men watching that need to have their glow up. What do you feel like isn't hitting for men?

[Jody K. Taylor]

Okay, so I did the same poll.

[Mandy B.]

I asked them Dusty.

[Jody K. Taylor]

They do. And the issue is it's.

[Mandy B.]

Sorry, Eden, not you. You don't look.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah, you don't look dusty.

[Mandy B.]

You don't look dusty at it. I don't even believe that right now. No, you look like you shower.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah, you look good. You look for. It's actually the diametric opposite. So men cared a lot about what women were doing in terms of, like, personality stuff. They were like, oh, she should have friends. But the women were actually the ones who were very caught up on the physical.

[Mandy B.]

The hygiene.

[Jody K. Taylor]

The hygiene, yes. The nail care. The teeth care.

[Mandy B.]

Yes.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Beard.

[Mandy B.]

Beard came up a lot like, don't cut it off. I told y' all niggas, keep it on.

[Quesie Tank]

That's what you meant. I thought you meant clean them.

[Jody K. Taylor]

No, I think it was like beard trimming, keeping, like, the general upkeep of beard.

[Mandy B.]

I think teeth is very important with men. But also, yes, the hygiene, especially because, like, how you trying to finger a bitch and your nails is dirty.

[Jody K. Taylor]

The nails is dirty. The nails are long.

[Mandy B.]

And then it was really nasty, too. It was one of the Streamers brothers was talking about. He just lets the water go down his ass crack. He don't wash his ass because it's gay. And I was like, what? Literally? You ain't see the clip? He literally was so proud to say, yeah, like, I don't be Digging in my ass. Like, I just let the water go down. It'll be fine, bro. What?

[Quesie Tank]

And this is why we need fully formed frontal lobes.

[Mandy B.]

Like, what the.

[Jody K. Taylor]

That's insane.

[Mandy B.]

But this is why you can't date a man who's homophobic because he not washing his ass.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Exactly. I mean, we can end it now.

[Mandy B.]

That's okay.

[Quesie Tank]

No, that's not. We're not. Because the girls want more.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Okay, wait. I didn't finish investments for men, though, so it was a lot around the physical. Also, I think what a lot of women are looking for, women are making more money. So money is not moving the needle anymore. No. And I think we. I think, unfortunately, men have been socialized to believe that money is moving the needle. Ergo, the men who are actually investing in therapy, the men who actually have emotional availability, those are actually the men who are going to win. So a lot of the girls that I know who are true 10 out of 10 baddies, they're not dating the athletes. They're dating the guy who is doing well, who has therapy, emotionally available, can put himself together, has. Has somewhat of a wardrobe. Those are actually like the prime candidates right now. So you're great.

[Quesie Tank]

My boyfriend taught me. Capsule.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Capsule collection.

[Quesie Tank]

I went to his closet because he always dresses so well. So the first time I went to his house, I said, this don't seem like a lot.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah. Because he knows how to mix and match it.

[Quesie Tank]

When I'm looking at all the shoes, it's Margiela. He's. He's wearing the Yves Saint Laurent. He's got the Ricks. The best of the best.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah.

[Quesie Tank]

I'm like, I understand now.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah.

[Quesie Tank]

And I don't think that what's been easy for me, especially because we've got to have outfits all the time. Instagram really fucks your brain with fast fashion.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Oh, my gosh.

[Quesie Tank]

You are sitting here watching this TikTok of this baddie, and now we've got all these $30 dresses in our closet.

[Jody K. Taylor]

That you never wear.

[Mandy B.]

Nah, bitch, I wear them.

[Jody K. Taylor]

You wear all of your $30 dresses.

[Mandy B.]

I wear all my two doll.

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And.

[Mandy B.]

I repeat it, and then I let my friends wear it, and I be like, bitch, I want it back. And I get it back. I. I literally moved to Atlanta for another closet. So I. I mean, that's what I tell people.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Iconic.

[Mandy B.]

You feel me? I'll be like, bitch, I needed a closet.

[Jody K. Taylor]

I love it.

[Mandy B.]

So. But I. I love just a lot of options.

[Jody K. Taylor]

I do love a lot of options too. However, it creates paralysis and it Creates cognitive dissonance. So people don't always know how to engage with you when they don't know how to perceive you. And in terms of, like, how you're showing up on the physical plane. And it's giving so many different things. So if you're a girly in corporate specifically, there should be one aesthetic that you're really leaning into. And then maybe on the weekends, you can play around with different things. Also, I rent clothes, and a lot of girls need to start renting their clothing. So there are services like Buy Rotation, Nuuly Pickle, where you can rent and you can play around with different esthetics and then give it back. So your closet isn't overboarded, but find the esthetic and the silhouette that looks good for you, because I can guarantee all those dresses don't look good for.

[Mandy B.]

For me, it goes by my mood.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Okay.

[Mandy B.]

Sometimes I want to give stud. Sometimes I want to give hope. Sometimes I want to give corporate baddies.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah.

[Quesie Tank]

Like, for me.

[Mandy B.]

And I think that that's been the joys of maybe entrepreneurship and freedom for me. Like, I hated the frumpiness of what corporate attire forced upon people. And so, like, now that I just get to some, which is why my friends make fun of me, it don't matter if I'm somewhere. This is, like, the least I've packed ever. If I come to New York for three days, bitch, my suitcase is 60 pounds. Because I don't know if I'm gonna wake up and want to wear boots or heels or slides or sneakers. To me, it's a mood when I wear it.

[Jody K. Taylor]

But I've seen you. I've seen all your clothes before. You have a similar theme. It's just different items within that theme.

[Quesie Tank]

The theme is very important because something people have told me over the years that I kind of like. I love that everyone knows exactly what my nail color will be exactly. My hair is always pretty much gonna look the same if it's not natural. I think it's nice to even have even with us being on tour now. Like, the blonde, the shorts, It's a signature. The last tour that we did, we had that look.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah, the signature. A lot of PR people actually tell, so I don't know if you do. Y' all know Elaine Melter?

[Quesie Tank]

Yes. Yes.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Okay. Love Elaine. I don't know if you remember when she came out on the scene, she used to have the big glasses and the big white boots and the big hair. And I. I don't know her if she did this intentionally, but it was something that. Or D, you know, y' all know D. The blue vest.

[Mandy B.]

Blue vest.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Exactly. We can.

[Mandy B.]

When I see it without the blue.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Vest, I'll be like, exactly to this. So there is a. There's a currency in being able to have things that people can identify you by. So it doesn't have to be clothing. Like, you have the hair, you have the hair, et cetera. But we can all say D. Ray in the blue vest. We can all say wireframe glasses.

[Crunchy Skincare / Ad Host]

It.

[Jody K. Taylor]

And now we know exactly.

[Quesie Tank]

So screwed when I get these braces off. Okay. Dating a 10 out of 10. You had a video about this. What the hell was that?

[Jody K. Taylor]

I don't even remember this video. But what was the concept dating a 10 out of 10?

[Quesie Tank]

It was like, who you are in dating, experience or person. Maybe that was the same one, but that one I really like. Okay, tell me, who are you in dating? You said there's either two type of people. Are you an experienced dater or a person dater?

[Jody K. Taylor]

Oh, yeah. What is that?

[Quesie Tank]

Oh, I was digging, girl.

[Jody K. Taylor]

I'm like, I don't even remember saying.

[Quesie Tank]

Things I didn't agree with and then things I did. But I wanted y' all to fight about.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Oh, I want to hear what you don't agree with as well. But.

[Quesie Tank]

Okay, tell me this one more time.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Okay. So people oftentimes fixate on the person in dating. This is something I learned from Anwar as well. Fixate on the person. Right. Like, I like this man so much, I'm going to figure out how to make it work. Instead, we need to focus on the experience. Like, what is the experience that I'm having? And whoever offers me the best experience is the person I'm going to go with. So. So I don't think it's particularly controversial. I just don't think people do it well. Right. So you meet somebody, he has all of these, like, checklist qualities. You're like, I'm going to figure out a way to make this work. Instead, you should be doing, what are the feelings, the experiences, the ease that I want to feel? And whoever offers that within the realm of, like, your standards and boundaries is the person that you need to go with. And I feel like that's pretty.

[Mandy B.]

That's. That's.

[Quesie Tank]

Yeah, that's.

[Jody K. Taylor]

I feel like everyone should feel that way. I don't think everyone executes on you.

[Quesie Tank]

Absolutely don't. I love that. I don't even wanna, like, get too much into our own shit to suck up your time. But there was a recent thing that I'VE been talking about on Horrible. That was so important to me. My boyfriend told me, I really don't know if I dated a woman that liked me or they were seeing me and they knew I was fly or attractive or I have a great job. Like, I'm working for myself. They're like, oh, I need him. He's like, I don't know if they even were like. But that is a thing that women feel a lot when they're exceptionally beautiful or popping or like all of them. I'm sure all of us can attest.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah.

[Quesie Tank]

Our friends that may be celebrities or something like that are continually having this experience.

[Jody K. Taylor]

They're always single.

[Quesie Tank]

And it's not a celebrity thing. It's all of us. There's something that someone sometimes wants to take and they're not even trying to get to know you. I've felt that because we've talked about sex so many years. Thank God.

[Jody K. Taylor]

But I also want to bring it to the Ross point where your rich friend was dating the girl who worked at Ross and I. We see that dynamic a lot. I feel like we see that dynamic with men who are exceptionally wealthy end up dating women who are like, like not doing that well. It's because they offer a unique experience. They're not eliciting something from them. I think unfortunately, a lot of girls who are doing it, like, exceptionally well, we lean on qualities that don't make us softer partners. And I think you were kind of saying this earlier too. Sometimes we over index on like the harder qualities, like the fact that we make money, the fact that we have these degrees and don't lean into the more feminine, soft qualities that I think a lot of these high earning men are really looking for.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, no, I'm very feminine. I will ask.

[Quesie Tank]

I need money.

[Mandy B.]

I want to go on vacation. I really need a break. I'm tired. Like, oh, no. I lean. And I think that that's been the best part about me currently dating. Like, I used to think I couldn't ask for things. Yeah, bitch, I go hide. I ask for exactly what I love. And I get it.

[Quesie Tank]

Yeah, I need help and I get it. All right, y', all. For our reactionary, before we get out of here, I want to play this and tell you what various men said on my phone, including mine.

[Better Picks / Ad Host]

The box theory when it comes to men is completely true. Guys, when they start to see a girl will put you in one of three boxes. The first box is someone that they are not really attracted to and they just don't want to date. The second box is someone that they want to hook up with. So even though they may tell you that they like you or they enjoy hanging out with you, maybe they take you on dates, they just only want to hook up with you. And then the third box is of course they want to date you. And guys will know what box to put you in literally within like the first 20 minutes of meeting you.

[Mandy B.]

I don't agree.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Agree to an extent.

[Mandy B.]

But yeah, I don't agree. I think there's more than three boxes.

[Quesie Tank]

Oh, name a four.

[Mandy B.]

I can't. I can't give you another one right now. But there's in my head.

[Quesie Tank]

Don't tell us.

[Better Picks / Ad Host]

I'm sure there's more than three boxes for me.

[Mandy B.]

I can't just put you as in like I just want you as a friend. I just want to you and then I just want to be. Especially within the first 20 minutes. Like I think both of my last two relationships, it's like they were shocked like because who they thought I was once they actually got to know me. They were like, you're nothing like I thought you'd be. I thought this would just be one thing. And now I've fallen for you. Like the people that have been around for a long time. Even she know my little other little boo. Like we've known each other for a long time. And now like the dynamic has changed so much. I don't think we envisioned it being that either. And so for the guys who actually take the time to not box me in and get to enjoy everything and experience me for who I really am, not for maybe how the Internet sees me or how I walk into the room. Cause I could probably have my whole ass outfit on that night. I could probably look like a stud. And you think I bump coochie's all the time. So to me, how you meet me immediately, you're not gonna know in 20 minutes. Because I'm someone that you kind of have to peel back the layers like an onion to really experience it feels.

[Quesie Tank]

Like it works in the opposite of you.

[Jody K. Taylor]

I think a lot of women, I.

[Quesie Tank]

Feel like you gotta wife this girl. And then after a month they be.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Like this bitch is crazy. So I think for me they expect me to be way. I actually am shockingly very down to earth. I don't really like to go out that much. I'm a homebody. I like to kick it out.

[Mandy B.]

They might think very like standing on couch.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Exactly. And only talk to whatever. Whatever people think about whomever I think there is an opportunity. I Think I'm a dynamic person. So I don't.

[Quesie Tank]

You ought to be at a club. How come I've seen her at a club the last two times.

[Jody K. Taylor]

When was the last time you saw me at the club? In Cannes. Exactly.

[Quesie Tank]

In the south. In the south of France. So did a little intake.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah.

[Quesie Tank]

I asked my boyfriend Jeff, who's a fitness director at Travel Arsante, who does Jerkin Jollof. Some other women.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Guys. Those are good guys.

[Quesie Tank]

Now, every single man said yes, but one. And what I found interesting was Jeff was like, absolutely.

[Mandy B.]

This is what.

[Quesie Tank]

Yes, I do put them in a box. But there was one girl that got out. All of them said yes.

[Mandy B.]

Always get out the box.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah. You might be the one.

[Quesie Tank]

One thing my boyfriend said that was interesting to me, that started to connect the dots with the others when I started to dig deeper, like, what was it with the other women? They all were maybe influencer, maybe a dj, maybe someone. You're like, this is scary. A sex podcaster. Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Very scary.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Now, big, big red flag, right?

[Quesie Tank]

And so my boyfriend's like, of course. He's like, actually, I just wanted to fuck everybody until I talk a little more. But I then asked what brought me out of the box, and this I found interesting. I don't want to lie to you. It didn't take weeks to get out of the box. It did take months. I didn't fall for you till month three because I just kept thinking you were so cool, and I had to study a little bit more. I'd like to date for a long time before making someone my girl. And I don't think you're understanding that if it's working faster for you, I'm consistently putting everybody in the same box because I am not actively looking for a partner in that or at that time. Right. And a lot of men, I think, find their answer to be the same. He said, finding a wife wasn't ride or die for me. I can spend time with a woman as long as I was having a good time. Theory does stand correct to me, because at the end of the day, you were in a box of fun party girl to me until we actually got to spend time. Maybe if we fucked the first night, wouldn't have gotten there, right?

[Mandy B.]

Oh, because. Nah. I mean, I fucked my ex the first night, and then we was together for three years.

[Quesie Tank]

Hey, that happens, though, because, yeah, it does happen.

[Jody K. Taylor]

That happens a lot.

[Mandy B.]

It happens quite a bit. Like, yeah, we had a conversation with Paul Pierce, and he said his wife he fucked on the first night but.

[Quesie Tank]

That'S the thing too. Like, even if the sex is.

[Jody K. Taylor]

That is hilarious that he came out.

[Quesie Tank]

Here and told you. That was a. He did.

[Mandy B.]

He said. And I. I stayed with her for like two weeks after that because she. It's just the vibe.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Oh, that's right.

[Quesie Tank]

Yeah. This is very.

[Mandy B.]

I mean, they're not married.

[Quesie Tank]

Okay, tell me, so besides cooking and cleaning, what were the qualities. And I'm.

[Mandy B.]

So wait, you were cooking and cleaning?

[Quesie Tank]

No, because I know. That's what I do. I'm saying besides me cooking or whatever.

[Jody K. Taylor]

So you weren't cooking and cleaning, though?

[Quesie Tank]

Not in three months, but. Yo, cooking, yes. Not cleaning.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Quesie Tank]

But I think for cleaning, you know, I'm a clean girl.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Okay.

[Quesie Tank]

My home.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah.

[Quesie Tank]

You smell the dip tea?

[Mandy B.]

I love it, man. You gonna come to my house and be like, my cleaner ain't coming.

[Jody K. Taylor]

She's not here yet.

[Mandy B.]

She's not here yet. My cleaner coming tomorrow.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

And then cooking. I ain't doing that for a while.

[Quesie Tank]

So Confidence was one. Honesty didn't find you to be a liar. And I really think some real shit.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah.

[Quesie Tank]

A lot of the girls you dated before me were very like, prim popper girls.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yeah.

[Quesie Tank]

You know, those are the girls that are acting like they never sucked a dick.

[Jody K. Taylor]

Yep.

[Quesie Tank]

They've never had a partner. And I think men are very taken back when women get to talk about relationships and exes. I'd love to know what you think of that. Too nurturing. I found that many women are not. I'm looking for them to be softer, and it's not happening for me. A few other traits, but for one, many women aren't finding places to be soft. All caps. Tell me where and let's end it with this because. Because we're all women doing well and strong and don't need men in our lives. Well, I need the effect, but the softness. Where are we losing it and where should we be showing up softer?

[Jody K. Taylor]

We're losing. I think, unfortunately, society has changed in a way in which we are having multiple roles. So the household used to be someone was a primary breadwinner, then someone was taking care of the home. In a contemporary society, we're doing both roles, right. Like we go home and we cook and we clean and we meal prep, prep, and then we're also going out and doing work. Softness comes from having the psychological space to rest and be able to sort of like disconnect from your mind and into your body. And I think, unfortunately, we live in a hyper socialized, hyper capitalistic and Also just like logical society in which all day I'm making decisions, we're all making decisions, we're directing people, we're having conversations, etc, we don't have the opportunity to lean into our body. And so something that I encourage a lot of the women, particularly in my master class, to do is to think about ways to connect back into your body, back into your intuition, because that's where we're losing the softness. I also think Anwar, you know, I love Anwar. It does a really great job. And that's where we talk about vulnerability. And part of vulnerability is one, understanding how you feel and two, being able to express that and the amount of men that have told me. I love the fact that you're able to tell me what you're feeling because most women don't. Most women kind of sit on it and are kind of weird and passive aggressive and in a mood, etc. I won't say most, but some are, are. But if you're able to say like hey, I'm feeling this way, can we talk about it? The emotional regulation and the emotional control that comes with being able to one, identify your own feelings and then verbalize it to someone else. I think that's the softness that men are really looking for. But generally if a woman wants to reconnect with her femininity, with her softness, with whatever, one, it's doing things that she liked to do growing up, like whatever you like to do as a child, like reconnecting with that. Two, reconnecting with your body and then three, figuring out ways to offload decisions to other people. So figuring out like who can you have to delegate to cleaning your house, who can you have as a chief of staff, etc so you can reconnect to who you are and like what your intuitive self is thinking.

[Mandy B.]

I love that.

[Quesie Tank]

I love that. Boss bitch. Get a cheap staff.

[Mandy B.]

Let our listeners know where they can follow you.

[Jody K. Taylor]

So on Tick tock. I'm Jody KT on Instagram. I'm the same thing but with an L at the end. Jody K. Tail Tayl and then yeah, my master class and all information is also on my website which is jodykt.com.

[Quesie Tank]

Is it only in person?

[Jody K. Taylor]

No, it's virtual. We have girls all across the world.

[Mandy B.]

We will include the link in the description of this episode. Ed and make sure you get that. Thank you guys so much for tuning in. Make sure you become a patron. Make sure you buy our book. This has been another episode of Decisions, decisions. Bye.

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[Quesie Tank]

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[Quesie Tank]

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[Mandy B.]

And I'm Travis Holloway. Welcome to the wealthbreak podcast, a real conversation about finance.

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Let's be honest, building wealth doesn't look.

[Mandy B.]

The same for everyone. I feel like sometimes being broke is.

[Jody K. Taylor]

A cycle and that we might have.

[Mandy B.]

To revisit that and we're not stopping at success stories.

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What happens when it doesn't go right?

[Jody K. Taylor]

How do you cope with it?

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Because wealth isn't just about money.

[Mandy B.]

It's about creating a life where you.

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Thrive and help others do the same. Listen to the Wealth Break podcast on the iHeartradio app.

[Jody K. Taylor]

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