Selective Ignorance: Ep. 52 | Durags, Wifi Games & Tequilla

Summary

Podcast Summary: Selective Ignorance: Ep. 52 | Durags, Wifi Games & Tequila

Podcast: Decisions, Decisions / Selective Ignorance
Hosts: Mandy B, Ja, Barry (A King), Jason Rodriguez, Aaron A. King Howard
Network: The Black Effect Podcast Network & iHeartPodcasts
Date: February 24, 2026

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Overview

In this lively and candid episode, Mandy B and her crew dive headfirst into the intersections of Black culture, community, and controversy—always with humor and unfiltered perspectives. Discussion ranges from personal escapades in Atlanta’s nightlife, viral moments and culture wars, to systemic issues in sports and healthcare, with a signature focus on challenging the status quo. Notably, the episode tackles representation (from “Captain Durag” to the WNBA), the realities of communal outings, current celebrity beefs, and deeper social issues like healthcare access and the Epstein files.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Celebrating Mandy B's Media Feature & Atlanta Culture

Timestamps: 05:14–07:25

• Mandy B is honored for being a trailblazer in media on the cover of Hyper Unique magazine, sharing a double cover with OG Parker (music producer).
• The hosts observe the cultural differences between Atlanta’s and New York’s social scenes, noting that Atlanta’s movers and shakers often remain local, while New York creatives are more likely to travel and build relationships beyond their home base.
• Mandy reflects on the love and support she’s experienced since moving to Atlanta, crediting the unique sense of Black community in the city.

Quote:
"Coming down to Atlanta has been great. Like, I love it. I love that I get so much respect in the streets for what I do, especially being in New York for 13 years." — Mandy B (06:11)

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2. Strip Club Adventures, White Titties & the Art of the Outing

Timestamps: 07:26–13:20

• The group recounts a wild night at Cheetah strip club following Mandy’s cover party, highlighting a memorable (and controversial) moment involving shots taken from a white stripper’s breasts during Black History Month.
• They humorously grapple with the optics and implications (“taking shots and eating watermelon candy out of white titties”), sparking debate on cultural pride, irony, and self-awareness.

Notable Banter:
"Eating watermelon out of white titties on Black History Month... that’s fucked up." — Ja (12:36)

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3. The ‘Interloper’ and Table Etiquette: Who Pays, Who Orders?

Timestamps: 16:07–20:19

• A night meant for celebration becomes a lesson in boundaries when one uninvited guest (“the interloper”) ordered extravagantly ($250 worth, including high-end steaks and drinks) without interacting with the host or group.
• The incident sparks a broader conversation on splitting bills, with Mandy deciding to make “everyone take their own bill” going forward, plus an exploration of gendered expectations in group settings.

Quote:
"It almost made me feel bad for [Black] men... they get taken advantage of when they go out on dates with women who probably don’t have groceries in their refrigerator." — Mandy B (17:29)

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4. Debating Culture: Atlanta vs. New Orleans (and Morehouse Men)

Timestamps: 13:44–25:24

• An intense debate erupts over whether Atlanta has culture, spurred by a New Orleans transplant, with passionate defense of ATL icons (MLK, Outkast, T.I., lemon pepper wings) and Atlanta’s impact on Black American culture.
• The group pokes fun at Morehouse men and their “different mindset” and brotherhood, exploring HBCU culture distinctions, self-identity, and intra-Black class and ideological divides.

Notable Exchange:
"Morehouse men—they’re not black men... they lose their whole identity because they become Morehouse men." — Mandy B (24:49)

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5. Viral Moments (Double Down or Take It Back): The Michael Jordan ‘Ice Cube’ Debate

Timestamps: 27:40–32:12

• A controversial viral video of Michael Jordan shaking a boy’s shirt triggers debate: Was MJ removing ice cubes, or was the interaction inappropriate?
• The team explores how quickly the internet jumps to conclusions about Black men and the complications of perception versus reality—ultimately leaving their judgment open-ended ("asterisk, we’ll come back to it").

Quote:
"Ice or no ice, to me, that shit just looks weird. And you’re not gonna convince me that it doesn’t look weird." — Ja (30:57)

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6. WNBA Labor Crisis: Pay Equity, Revenue, and the Coming Standoff

Timestamps: 33:02–39:19

• Discussion of the possible cancellation of the 2026 WNBA season due to a labor dispute over player compensation and revenue share.
• The hosts break down the nuances: WNBA players currently receive only 9% of league revenue (vs. 49% in the NBA), the role of NBA subsidization, and the limitations of current salary structures. They note this is a pivotal moment for women’s sports.
• The conversation draws analogies to everyday corporate experiences (“we’ll discuss your raise in six months”), and the outsized debt owed by players due to league operating structures.

Quote:
"The women players are the iPhones." — Jason Rodriguez (36:46)

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7. Healthcare Crisis & GoFundMe Culture: Celebrity Aid or System Failure?

Timestamps: 39:51–49:06

• Reflection on the death of actor Eric Dane, whose family launched a GoFundMe despite his TV fame, as well as Ms. J (America’s Next Top Model) needing similar support.
• The hosts demystify misconceptions about celebrity wealth and healthcare access, sharing personal stories of medical hardship and bills. They dissect the public’s resentment of seeing GoFundMes for celebrities, linking it to systemic failures in healthcare and insurance coverage.

Quote:
"It’s proportional... as you make more money, you spend more money. And a lot of it is proportional." — Mandy B (46:56)

Memorable Moment:
Mandy recounts her own decision to Uber herself to the hospital while experiencing kidney failure just to avoid a crippling ambulance bill. (42:00–43:38)

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8. "Captain Durag" Debate: Cultural Empowerment or Stereotype?

Timestamps: 50:22–59:10

• The group responds to the backlash surrounding "Captain Durag"—a character from Martellus Bennett’s Disney Jr. show, “Hey A.J.” Critics suggest it reinforces negative stereotypes, while others praise its celebration of Black style and imagination.
• Mandy and the team denounce the ‘respectability politics’ of seeing Blackness through the white gaze, advocating for authentic representation.

Quote:
"What’s wrong with these niggas is that they see their lives through white people... I’m not gonna let these people trick me off of some shit that—this our shit." — Ja (54:30)

Memorable Moment:
Mandy jokes about bonnets vs. durags, proudly declaring her love for the latter while drawing the line at bonnets in public. (55:55)

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9. Safety Abroad: Cartel Violence in Mexico

Timestamps: 60:34–66:56

• Discussion shifts to recent violence in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico after a high-profile cartel assassination, highlighting the fear and unpredictability of international travel when politics and organized crime intersect.
• The personal angle: a crew member’s family is currently in the affected area, adding emotional urgency to the segment.

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10. Celebrity WiFi Beefs: 50 Cent vs. TI (and Everybody)

Timestamps: 67:45–80:33

• The escalating social media beef between 50 Cent and TI (and their families) is dissected, including the breaking of “no wives, no children” unwritten rules, King Harris’s inflammatory clapbacks, and where boundaries in hip hop rivalries should lie.
• The hosts note the danger when real-life consequences can spill out from online antics, especially given both rappers’ street histories.

Quote:
"It’s getting to a nasty place... to an unsafe place. And I don’t know. These are people that have histories of guns." — Mandy B (77:46)

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11. Listener Assembly: The Epstein Files and the Limits of Outrage

Timestamps: 83:13–93:24

• In a bonus class assembly (listener roundtable), Mandy and guests weigh the relevance of dissecting the Epstein files on the podcast, debating the exhaustion of endless revelations versus the imperative to keep focus on institutional abuses.
• The question lingers: Should entertainment podcasts regularly cover traumatic or triggering news if it rarely leads to justice?

Quote:
"I have lost faith in this country specifically giving justice when it’s due and where it’s needed... it’s easier to just laugh at this shit and make this shit become like almost a reality series than really sit with the reality that these are our leaders." — Mandy B (84:59)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Table Etiquette & the Generosity Gap:
  “Splitting the bill. Everyone is taking their own bill. So I agree, because everyone came to celebrate me, right? ... I said, let me see that receipt. Ooh, the interloper. $250 worth of food.” — Mandy B (16:18, 17:14)

• Reflecting on “Captain Durag”:
  “The durag is our shit. Like, why would you be embarrassed about some shit that we do?” — Ja (54:51)

• On the WNBA Fight:
  “You know, it’s not like they’re engineers at Apple... the women players are the iPhones.” — Jason Rodriguez (36:46)

• Healthcare in America:
  “It’s alarming to me seeing how many people are tweeting their kind of disdain for these GoFundMes... are y’all never been sick?” — Mandy B (44:21)

• On Black Cultural Pride:
  “If you’re not proud of it, then it’s not culture.” — Jason Rodriguez (59:04)

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Major Timestamps

• 00:00 – Episode intro and housekeeping
• 05:14–07:25 – Magazine cover story, Atlanta v. NY culture
• 07:26–13:20 – Cheetah strip club recap, white titties & Black History Month
• 13:44–25:24 – Atlanta v. New Orleans & Morehouse men debate
• 27:40–32:12 – Michael Jordan viral video/opinions
• 33:02–39:19 – WNBA labor negotiations & sports business breakdown
• 39:51–49:06 – GoFundMes, healthcare, and celebrity struggles
• 50:22–59:10 – Captain Durag, authenticity vs. respectability
• 60:34–66:56 – Mexico travel/violence concerns
• 67:45–80:33 – 50 Cent vs. TI, rules of rap beef
• 83:13–93:24 – Listener assembly: The Epstein files & processing trauma

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Summary Tone

Candid, irreverent, unapologetic, and rooted in a love for Black culture and unfiltered community dialogue. The podcast interweaves personal anecdotes, pop culture dissection, and systemic critique — always with a dose of humor and realness.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

• Expect an engaging mix of personal storytelling and critical observations.
• This episode is a masterclass in Black culture commentary — unafraid to interrogate internal and external perceptions, calling out intra-community dynamics, and holding space for nuance (and messiness).
• From Atlanta’s lesser-known rules for going out, to why "Captain Durag" is both a cultural win and a lightning rod, to messy celebrity drama, the episode’s heart is in challenging lazy narratives and sparking conversation you won’t get anywhere else.

Transcript

[Mandy B]

This is an I heart podcast, Guaranteed human.

Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Selective Ignorance. However, before we get to this week's episode, I want to remind you guys to purchase my book, no Holds Barred, a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power. So feel free to go to your local bookstores, preferably queer owned, black owned or woman owned, to support them, but also just click the button on Amazon, Barnes and Nobles, or wherever you read your books. Again, that is note holds Barred, a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power written by yours truly and my co host of the Decisions Decisions podcast, Weezy. Make sure y' all get that. Now let's get to this week's episode. This is Mandy B. Welcome to Selective Ignorance, a production of the Black Effect podcast network and iHeartRadio. Welcome, guys, to another episode of Selective Ignorance with your girl me, Mandy B. And today we are getting ignorance. That's right. We're starting off with sharing what my super producers decided to do during Black History Month. Oh, yeah, I'm coming and telling you guys what took place over the week along with us possibly taking it back. That's right. We're doing double down or take it back on our take on Michael Jordan last week with the viral video of him allegedly just shaking some ice cubes out of a little boy's shirt.

[Jojo]

You are.

[Mandy B]

We're getting into it. And then. And this is not a sports podcast. Did y' all know that the WNBA season may be canceled? What? That's right. We're talking about why it may be canceled. Our thoughts around whether the WNBA players may or may not be asking for too much and what the pushback is around paying the women what they need to be paid. And this is America. We're getting into healthcare. That's right. Over the last week, quite a few celebrities have started GoFundMes due to their health crisis and the Internet is not having it. Anyone who is not a celebrity is just like, why are we paying these millionaires any money? Don't they have money? Shouldn't they be more responsible with their money? Why do we need to help them cover any health care bills if they're millionaires? Good question. But is it then not sure. If you're aware of Captain Durag, you will be after this episode. And then of course, in celebrities say the darnest things it is 50 Cent versus the world versus everybody. And when we say that he is not only battling Jim Jones, but he is now in a beef that I think is going a little bit too far with the king of the South TI Ain't ready for this. Buckle up. Cause, baby, we got some takes. And you might laugh just a little bit. You might get mad just a little bit. But see what your thoughts and don't get mad at us. It's selective ignorance. And I am joined by my super

[Jason Rodriguez]

producer, gang, gang, gang, gang, gang.

[Mandy B]

I was a little wished out there. Y' all already know we got journalism Jason stuck in the blizzard up in Jersey.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, man, it was crazy out here. You see me, I'm bundled up. It's cold in my basement.

[Barry]

It's crazy out here.

[Mandy B]

I mean, are you not paying your light bills like Jim Jones?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like, my house, my house, my house, my. My house is blanketed by 20 inches of snow.

[Mandy B]

That is.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I got the heat kicking still. It's still cold in here.

[Mandy B]

And here I go. I just want you to go outside and make some snow angels. Do it.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I might not make it. I might not make it back. It's crazy out here.

[Mandy B]

Then, of course, is podcast OG A king. Don't be mad, because I'm about to tell them what your black ass did during Black History Month.

[Barry]

Yo, man. Wow, this is a lot. That was loaded. I thought we were friends. You actually said your black ass and Black History Month. You see how the light skin be

[Ja]

doing the whole world crazy?

[Mandy B]

Oh, man, wait a second. So I can't say black ass.

[Barry]

You said the. The B. The emphasis on the B was crazy.

[Mandy B]

No, no, no, don't do that. Don't do that, don't do that. And then, of course, I'm joined by the headline king himself, Jason Jolie Pop

[Ja]

blessing all the yap niggas. What up, what up, what up, what up, what up? Listen, it's the last week of Black History Month.

[Mandy B]

It is.

[Ja]

And these n took all my. I have no more patience.

[Mandy B]

Why? What happened?

[Ja]

I'm just. I feel like angry black man today.

[Mandy B]

Ooh.

[Ja]

I feel like angry black man today.

[Mandy B]

What they do to you?

[Ja]

We gonna talk about it.

[Mandy B]

Oh, you just mad at everything.

[Ja]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm mad at everything.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He said he's ready.

[Ja]

I'm angry black man today. So just. We're gonna have fun. We gonna have jokes.

[Mandy B]

Multi angry black man. I'm here for the jokes. I'm here for the jokes. Now, this week, my lovely friends joined me, not Jason. Cause Jason was preparing for this.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yo, I saw the text messages, and I didn't know what was happening. I was like, yo, like, I didn't get no invite. I was gonna make that my ignorant take. I was like, yo, these Motherfuckers is inviting people. I don't even know what's happening. Then when I saw the pictures, I was like, ah, okay.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, okay. Cedar. I wasn't gonna expect you to fly.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Y' all could have let me know, though. Y' all could have let me know.

[Mandy B]

It was intimate. It was intimate. So basically, guys, I am on the COVID of the Hyper Unique magazine which

[Ja]

relaunched Clap it up one time.

[Mandy B]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Photos, Photos.

[Mandy B]

Look.

[Jason Rodriguez]

All the photos look amazing.

[Mandy B]

Thank you. It's a double cover, but they. They honored me for being the trailblazer that I am in. In media. And it was really dope. I. It was. So it's a double cover feature. So they had me from the media side, and then they had OG Parker on the production side.

[Ja]

OG Parker?

[Mandy B]

Yeah, for, you know, Atlanta.

[Barry]

Know OG Parker, your job, your J.

[Ja]

That's Atlanta culture.

[Mandy B]

That is. Oh, we're gonna get this.

[Barry]

We're gonna do this now before we do that.

[Ja]

But before we do.

[Mandy B]

Go ahead.

[Barry]

Mandy been on more covers as a non Atlian. Right. Than at Aliens has been on any cover in the short amount of time she's been in Atlanta.

[Mandy B]

Hold on. You ready?

[Barry]

I know they mad. They gotta be mad.

[Mandy B]

I gotta shoot next week for a third one. See, that's coming again.

[Ja]

Gentrifying our streets.

[Mandy B]

Gentrifying our streets.

[Ja]

Gentrifying our streets with this success. You see that man over there?

[Mandy B]

I mean, I will say coming down to Atlanta has been great. Like, I love it. I love that I get so much respect in the streets for what I do, especially being in New York for 13 years. But what I also noticed is, like, these. The ATL shakers and movers don't give New York shakers and movers. Like, when I was out in. I think I mentioned it last week, like.

[Trev]

Or.

[Mandy B]

I don't know if it was off camera, but when I was out in LA for All Stars, anytime I do anything right, it could be essence, it could be All Star, it could be south by Southwest, it could be Dreamville. Every time I go somewhere, it feels like, God damn it, New York followed me. New York. Everyone from New York is here, right? I go to these events, and the movers of Shake is in Atlanta. They don't really live. They either don't leave Atlanta or they don't have. They don't have the je ne sais quoi to get into the things outside of Atlanta. They're like their face cards, ain't they? Face cards elsewhere. So it's been interesting that when I was expecting to now see Atlanta everywhere. Atlanta don't leave Atlanta. And I really wish that they would realize, like, as a mover and shaker, you kind of gotta get out of here to meet the people, to get into certain rooms. And Atlanta ain't the world. But we'll talk about Atlanta culture in a little bit.

[Ja]

Yeah, Atlanta culture.

[Mandy B]

Before we get there, we have to bring up what Atlanta culture is to me. And it is the strip club. So following my cover release party, the setup.

[Ja]

The people were hungry again.

[Mandy B]

Listen, the people were hungry. The people were hungry.

[Jason Rodriguez]

There's a couple places you can go

[Ja]

to late at night.

[Mandy B]

What? Jason?

[Jason Rodriguez]

I said the people are hungry. There's a couple places you can go

[Ja]

to late at night, late night places to grab a bite.

[Jason Rodriguez]

In Atlanta, there's like two places to go.

[Mandy B]

One of them, you thought I was feeding niggas eggs and waffles.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Exactly. That's one place you ain't going there. So where you at?

[Mandy B]

I have a bougie palette, even though I did just end up getting lemon pepper wings.

[Ja]

But poor culture.

[Mandy B]

Listen, here we go.

[Trev]

Interesting.

[Mandy B]

We get to Cheetah, and pretty much everybody came. So it was like 12 of us. And I look over and I get so excited because I look over to my right now, mind you, Aking and Ja are sitting at the table, they eating they food. And I'm like, y', all, There she goes. And it's the white lady who moved her titties ever so slightly. You feel me?

[Ja]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

Real callback is $20 for her little things. Bitch, I had no cash, so I asked my homegirls, I said, bitch, I need $20. Cause I need to do this for my niggas. You know what I mean? I said, I need them to experience this. Now, I do know it's black history month, and this is a white woman, but the talent.

[Barry]

No, you don't say. You don't.

[Ja]

You're right.

[Barry]

You made a choice.

[Mandy B]

But the talent. So anyways, I call her over to the table, and I. I don't want to say I coerced y'. All. Cause that's crazy. I did ask for y'. All. I said, y' all want to take shots out these titties. I then also said, you kind of have to.

[Ja]

You gotta have to.

[Mandy B]

I already paid for them, and I

[Barry]

caught a head cold as a result.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

See?

[Mandy B]

Okay, but real quick.

[Jason Rodriguez]

For somebody who wasn't there, can you explain which shots out of the titties.

[Mandy B]

Explain that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

For somebody who wasn't there.

[Mandy B]

Okay, assume that no one was there. And based on my description from a couple episodes ago, how did. How do y' all explain the woman with the titties?

[Barry]

It was AI. I'll let you go first.

[Ja]

Okay. So first thing I say is that the way, like, Mandy was super excited, bro. She was super, super excited.

[Mandy B]

She's like, oh, there she go. And I'm like, y' all meet. We're on, y' all in the moment.

[Barry]

I'm like, who? And I'm not. I'm totally not even looking that way.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Right?

[Barry]

I saw, but I didn't see her.

[Ja]

Yeah, it wasn't on my mind, like,

[Barry]

other tale that was allegedly out there. I'm like, oh, who she.

[Ja]

She looked different than it used to look. She didn't always have talent, but, like, the lady didn't. The first thing that struck me was that that lady didn't look as old as I thought that you described her as. Now, granted, what I told a king is that, like, for an older looking white woman, she looked. She had a. Didn't have an old ass face. But the hands always tell you the truth. Yeah, the hands always tell you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the hands. And they could tell you exactly what's going on. So, like, when she came over there, as soon as she grabbed the little vial, the shot that I looked, I said, oh, okay, there they go. I know you probably about a year.

[Barry]

Like, she bathed in Palmala.

[Ja]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, that lady was probably like a. She was probably an early 62.

[Barry]

Good energy.

[Ja]

Good energy. Very happy to do her job. Extremely happy to do her job. But, like, a king was the most excited, so he went first. That's crazy.

[Barry]

Definitely was not excited.

[Ja]

I didn't know what was happening.

[Mandy B]

You are teasing.

[Barry]

I had the same expression she had when homeboy proposed to her.

[Mandy B]

Don't do that.

[Ja]

I was looking around.

[Barry]

Hey, Jason. I was looking around like, who's watching this shit?

[Ja]

Who sees what's going on?

[Barry]

Okay. And then I'm like, all right. The way her shit was moving, like she had ultra muscles in her shit. But then I saw how she didn't really have no tail. So I said, all the muscles went straight to the bosom.

[Ja]

Yeah, Skip leg day.

[Barry]

It just went super hard, but it was cool.

[Ja]

Look.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So a king, as somebody who went first, did your mouth go on the titty?

[Barry]

No.

[Jason Rodriguez]

For somebody who wasn't there. Explain it to me.

[Mandy B]

No, no, no.

[Barry]

I'm a guard fearing black man.

[Mandy B]

Didn't you take though, from between her titties?

[Barry]

No, I didn't take it.

[Ja]

She. She.

[Mandy B]

Oh, she Handed.

[Ja]

No, she kind of like.

[Mandy B]

She.

[Barry]

She kind of leaned in.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ja]

That's what she did on my.

[Barry]

She has a mechanical. A mechanical way of doing it. Like, I didn't touch anything. Like, it was just me in the middle.

[Mandy B]

She does have a mechanical way of doing it.

[Barry]

I did pick the. I picked. You had the different. You had to select which shot you wanted. You had some.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I thought you said you had to pick what. What titty.

[Barry]

Oh, no, you have. I'm gonna get the left B each. But I picked the Don Julio. I think it was Don Julio. Passion fruit shot. Let me get that. And it was cool.

[Mandy B]

It doesn't make it any better that you drank out of white titties this month.

[Ja]

Well, I'll tell you what makes it even worse. I didn't realize until after the fact, the shot that I took, they both had, like, little spears or little candies on them. And I took the shot. And then I realized after the fact that I took the shot, they had the watermelon candy. And I was like, this is like, I'm taking. I'm eating watermelon out of white titties.

[Barry]

On Black History Month, if you want to double down.

[Ja]

That's fucked up.

[Barry]

She got two. Be like black men.

[Jojo]

Yeah.

[Ja]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

That's crazy.

[Ja]

Yeah, man.

[Mandy B]

That's crazy.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It's a happy black history for somebody.

[Barry]

She had a gang bang,

[Mandy B]

gang bang. And I be yelling now, gang, gang. Do you gang bang?

[Ja]

Do you gang bang?

[Mandy B]

No, it was a good time. I'm glad that. By the way, when me, a king and Ja go out together, we have

[Barry]

a time remind you we were buying

[Mandy B]

bottles and got lit.

[Barry]

He's got wasted.

[Mandy B]

We got wasted. Jason, you actually need to bring your ass down to.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I gotta come.

[Mandy B]

I gotta come down for a weekend, man. A night out with a.

[Barry]

Are we gonna talk about the. The entire experience?

[Ja]

So now, like, Jason, come down.

[Barry]

How you ended up being a bay.

[Ja]

So come down, Jason, and experience some Atlanta culture.

[Mandy B]

Well, this is. I wanna get into that. I do wanna get into that. So basically, I would. We had two tables. We had 12 people.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

And so I'm over there eating my lemon pepper wings, and next thing I know, I look up and baby Joc and my other homeboy are like,

[Barry]

can

[Mandy B]

you see when I say and. Sorry. That was just quiet. And this is an audio experience. They had their hands in wrap hands. And when I was like. I was like, damn, they look like they into an intense conversation over there. Let me go over there and make sure everything okay. And when I Got over there.

[Barry]

Niggas wasn't trying to hear that shit.

[Mandy B]

Niggas was in a debate as to whether Atlanta has culture. Mind you, the. The debate is coming from someone who is from New Orleans.

[Ja]

New Orleans, Correct. That's actually how it started.

[Mandy B]

Yes.

[Ja]

Because I don't remember what the thing was said, but I was like. I was like, I love New Orleans. I just hate the Saints. Like, we don't. We don't.

[Barry]

We don't. We.

[Ja]

Like, we hate them. That's what we do.

[Mandy B]

As you wear a Falcons hat.

[Ja]

Yeah, that's what we do. And he was like. As soon as he said he was from New Orleans, I was like, oh, all right. Well, okay. And we started a little back and forth about the Saints and the Flockers. But then he was like, atlanta doesn't have any culture. And I was like, atlanta doesn't have any culture. I'm like, the place where Martin Luther King was born at don't have no culture.

[Mandy B]

Like, keep going, keep going.

[Ja]

We had Lemon pepper Outcast isn't culture.

[Mandy B]

No.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Y' all currently distribute the majority of the culture across the, like, black America.

[Ja]

We've been giving out the culture for 20 years. Like, what? So then I said easily, that was one thing. The thing that. That really locked me in was he was like. I said something about T.I. and he was like, oh, that's not real music, though. Yeah, he said, that's not real music, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, T.I. like, he's all right, but that's not, like, one of the great rappers of all time.

[Mandy B]

Wait, did y' all get into then? Because if he's in New Orleans, he's Master P, he's Wayne.

[Barry]

They didn't go in that.

[Ja]

That wasn't even.

[Barry]

It was just. They would just pull their dick out at the same time, basically. It was like, nah, yeah, nah, Big pause. But at that point, because first of all, Jai's eating steak.

[Ja]

Chimichurri steak.

[Barry]

So I'm watching. I'm like, damn, you gotta enjoy the steak, though.

[Ja]

Oh, yeah.

[Barry]

Fuck this nigga. But he's in there taking his little bites here and there, like, yeah, but pow. And I'm like, damn.

[Mandy B]

I also that you were considerate and got the. That.

[Ja]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B]

And not the sirloin.

[Ja]

And not the sirloin. That's $75.

[Barry]

And we'll get to that.

[Mandy B]

Are we gonna.

[Ja]

We can do it quickly.

[Mandy B]

Okay. Only because I did talk to Ish.

[Ja]

Uh oh.

[Mandy B]

And he. So real quick, y', all, I am announcing here that when I Go out moving forward.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Yep.

[Mandy B]

Splitting the bill. Everyone is taking their own bill. So I agree, because everyone came to celebrate me, right? So I'm like, let's go to cheetah. It's a $500 minimum for the table. I've gone twice with that $500 minimum and don't make it. So I'm like, okay. Like, everyone eat, you know, everyone get food and everyone get a drink. Two of the people weren't even drinking. So I was like, okay, nigga. The bill come out is $1,200. I said, what the fuck? Dirty game, mind you, mostly everybody is my friend. You have your partner. And another one of my homeboys brought homeboy one of his partners. Cause it's just a bitch.

[Ja]

He fucking somebody he know. Yeah.

[Mandy B]

Somebody he know.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Somebody he know. Yeah.

[Barry]

So 11 out of the 12 people that was at the two tables were sanctioned. It was that one person.

[Ja]

Liar. There was an interloper, right?

[Mandy B]

The interloper.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

That's it.

[Mandy B]

I said, let me see that receipt. Ooh, the interloper. $250 worth of food. She ordered a $70.

[Ja]

It's supposed to be embarrassing.

[Barry]

It should be embedded.

[Ja]

That's the problem.

[Mandy B]

It almost made me feel bad for n for this long. And when I say N, I mean black men, specifically, they get taken advantage of when they go out on dates with women who probably don't have groceries in their refrigerator.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Goddamn.

[Mandy B]

So she ordered a $70 steak, $13 fries, a $15 salad, and you ready? You want to know the cherry on top? Two double reposado lemon drops that were $40 a piece. 38 double. They were, I guess 19 times, bro. No home training.

[Barry]

There's another element. She never said nothing to Mandy or anybody, for that matter. No hello high the whole night, Nothing.

[Mandy B]

And then I found out she had an attitude with my best friend to even pass her a menu. Didn't speak to me the whole night then, mind you, by the time she got done eating, she left the table, I think, to try to find another nigga in the strip club. Cause she was gone from that table, mind you. Hold on. You ready? And a king brought it to my attention later. Bitch. They was the only people with doggy bags.

[Barry]

Yeah, they had the.

[Ja]

Oh, she took a bag.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Bitch, is she from Atlanta to.

[Mandy B]

Probably to feed her kids when she got home.

[Ja]

I didn't know she had a. That's crazy.

[Mandy B]

When I tell you that's culture.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's Atlanta culture.

[Barry]

That's culture.

[Mandy B]

This is culture. So I was a little upset by this but then I talked to Ish about it, and then it made me just feel like, and I'm sorry, my homeboy ain't a real nigga. And that's all that is. Cause my homeboy should have been like,

[Barry]

he should have curved that.

[Mandy B]

Here goes some money. But also, Ish let me know, hey, she's on a date with your homeboy.

[Ja]

That's his responsibility.

[Mandy B]

In her mind, he probably acted as if this nigga was gonna cover it anyway. So where I felt away like, bitch, how dare you? I also realized I was just getting the experience of a woman who feels entitled when she's out with a man. And because it was on my bill, he should have picked up.

[Barry]

So, yeah, all things are true.

[Ja]

Agreed.

[Mandy B]

And so now when we go out.

[Barry]

But also, don't. Don't if you. Mandy, you are so generous.

[Mandy B]

Oh, not anymore.

[Barry]

And I just. And it's hard for you.

[Mandy B]

I'm walking around with a tin cup shaking it.

[Barry]

No, I'm just saying, like, it's hard to read the room when you're having a good time. You're like, yo, we going over here. I got this. Everybody's hearing. I got this.

[Mandy B]

But it meant a lot to me, too. Like, it's a Thursday night. Everyone that I invited, you weren't in town or, bitch, I would have expected you to be there. I'm talking to yomi. But. But literally everyone that I invited did show up. So a part of me was like.

[Barry]

Cause you said you had being here

[Mandy B]

for only a year. I was like, damn, I really got community here that supports me, that shows up. And I didn't know that I would have that so soon here in Atlanta. Like, yeah, I have my friends here, but, like, to support me on some industry shit. That meant a lot.

[Ja]

Well, that's part of the Atlanta culture, is showing people love.

[Barry]

And it'll eat you out of house, too.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

But yeah, overall. Overall, yeah, it was great. I am glad that y' all were able. Two brothers to have.

[Ja]

Yeah, no, we shook hands afterwards. Everything was cool. It wasn't gonn get.

[Barry]

I was watching the handshake, too. I'm like, let me see.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

You

[Ja]

know.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But J. What's his. Yeah, like, what's his argument about against Atlanta not having caution?

[Ja]

His thing was basically, he was like, oh, I'm in Louisiana, and my great, great, great grandmother can tell me where we're from and the things we do.

[Barry]

Bloop de whoopty whoop.

[Ja]

And I. And I'm telling him, like, my first thing before we even got into, like, arts and music and all that shit was like, bro, you know that Atlanta burned to the ground in the Civil War, right? You know, we had to build this bitch back up from scratch. 1860s.

[Mandy B]

Do you know about Lake Lanier?

[Ja]

Do you know what happened in a lot of these places that they tore down all of this, and within a 100 years, it was back to being a thriving city that hosted the Olympics. The tried to tell me the Olympics was in 92. I said, no, the Olympics was in 96. No, no, no, I think it was in 92. I said, Bro, how long have you been here? Oh, like, like, he came. He went to school here, right? He went to More. He said he went to Morehouse. I'm like, all right, well, that's. Maybe that's not long enough for you to understand the history of the place you at, because, like, oh, there was nothing there before the Olympics. Spike Lee made school days in 88 about Morehouse and a fictitious Morehouse.

[Mandy B]

So that's what I was going to say. Morehouse.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It's culture.

[Mandy B]

I ain't gonna hold you, baby. I would. I'm just gonna say it. I don't. I would never date a Morehouse man.

[Ja]

Scared.

[Mandy B]

Oh, my God. Those are different type of names. No, no, no, no. It's almost like Morehouse created. Like, what was the. The name we. Okay, so, you know, you have hoteps, you have FBAs, you have Israelites, then you have Morehousemen. Damn.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Now keep going. This is going to be a clip. Tell me with great detail what you mean.

[Mandy B]

I just think that Morehouse does some sort of brainwashing. I don't know what type of classes are there. I think there's an under. There's a tunnel underground where they walk in with a whole bunch of black hoods, and they become a part of a brotherhood that literally turns them into different types of evil. Morehouseman.

[Ja]

I can't vouch for him. I didn't go there. I let them have.

[Mandy B]

I'm telling you, I was. My first boyfriend was a Morehouse man, and they just operate a little differently than.

[Ja]

Was he Greek, too?

[Mandy B]

Yeah, he was a Kappa. That's when I. I have.

[Ja]

Oh, well, that's a whole nother thing.

[Mandy B]

I know, I know.

[Barry]

This is what we doing today. A lot of her friends are Kappas. Oh, I'm sorry.

[Mandy B]

I don't know what that means. I really don't know what that means.

[Barry]

If you had to go to hbcu, who would you go to? What school?

[Ja]

Fam.

[Mandy B]

Ooh. I Did. I did used to want to go to fam. I know. How would you. I'm a Florida bitch, though. I mean, yeah, honestly, though, no, I would want to go to Howard. Howard.

[Barry]

I can see it.

[Mandy B]

DC is like one of my favorite things. And then you for sure to meet a man that's going to leave and make money after that. Like, I feel like Howard, you know, births the most men. They be cute, they got the moneys. But yeah, no Morehousemen. I genuinely believe, like I said, like, you have the Israelites that stand up. You got the niggas with koopies, and then you got the more housewives.

[Ja]

They're their own subsect.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Wait for the people who are listening, though. If we're doing a spectrum, who's in the middle, who's to the left or the right of those three groups, you said.

[Mandy B]

Okay, so you have. Hold on, let me list out the groups. Right, you have the hoteps.

[Barry]

Black History Month is something else.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Sure.

[Mandy B]

Okay. You have the hotep. You have the Israelites.

[Ja]

Israelites. Okay. Black Israelites.

[Mandy B]

I have to throw in here the Harlem Muslims.

[Barry]

Why the Harlem Muslims?

[Ja]

You said this number seven.

[Mandy B]

I gotta throw them in there.

[Ja]

That was the gap.

[Mandy B]

Then you have the FBAs. Then you have Morehousemen.

[Jojo]

Okay.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I don't know what the Morehouse men did to be.

[Barry]

I don't know you.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I just. Who is this man?

[Ja]

Just let it happen.

[Mandy B]

It's not scary to me, though. I mean, you could also maybe add the flat earthers on that list. Like, that's where Morehouse, like, Morehouse men align to where the education is top tier. For sure. They just think so differently of themselves and of each other, and they separate themselves from the rest of black men often. Like, they are Morehouse men.

[Barry]

Right.

[Mandy B]

They're not black men. They're not. They're not even. They're not African American. They lose their whole identity because they

[Barry]

become more housemates on the outside looking. It's like a different type of brotherhood amongst. Because it's a male school, right? Yeah, it's an all male school. So I think that that plays a part.

[Mandy B]

Well, they. They get to dip and dabble with Spelman, of course.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Right.

[Mandy B]

But yeah, they just. They different.

[Ja]

But it's. But I think going to Morehouse has a certain. Like I asked was. Was old boy Greek? But it's like, I feel like if you go to Morehouse, that is its own.

[Barry]

Yep.

[Ja]

Thing before you even pledge something else. It's like, no, I went to Morehouse. That just means something. Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It's almost similar when you start, you're. You're a man of Morehouse. And then when you graduate, you become a Morehouse man.

[Mandy B]

But not only is that it's like living in Atlanta now. It's like, you're out, you're at a bar, you get a drink, you get introduced. Hey, I'm Mandy. Hi, I'm Brandon. I'm a Morehouse man. It's like. It's like immediately like, God damn. Thanks for introducing yourself. It's their identity.

[Ja]

They want you to know.

[Mandy B]

They want you to know.

[Barry]

Timeline.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Before we go on the opinions expressed on this podcast of Andy B.

[Barry]

So, Jason, just one more addition to the Ja versus New Orleans. While homeboy was going back and forth with Ja, you know what he was doing? Ja was eating steak. The other homie was eating his beignets. Me by yo yo, fam. They. He and I, I was bugging, cuz. They came. They came to the table with the box of beignet.

[Ja]

I'm like, oh, they got beignets at the.

[Barry]

But then he had to put. He's talking to J Crazy. And then he putting the sauce on top while eating this with the mic. I'm like, yo, this is amazing. Get out.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Get out of here, fam.

[Mandy B]

I'm not playing the show. I'm not playing with.

[Ja]

Beignet came from French people, by the way.

[Mandy B]

Oh, yeah, he don't do that.

[Ja]

Beignets and etoufe. All of that came from colonizers, man.

[Barry]

You know, he said. He said, yo, y' all do the pod with her. So now he want to make sure he knows who's who.

[Ja]

Yeah, what's going on? Where everybody.

[Mandy B]

I'll warn him that we. That we. That we made fun because Shout out

[Jason Rodriguez]

to New Orleans, though. 100. They got culture, but Atlanta definitely has culture.

[Mandy B]

No, Atlanta has culture.

[Ja]

I mean, yeah, there's certain places that, you know, just established. It's not even nothing to talk about.

[Barry]

I was waiting for you to be like, why you here?

[Ja]

No, no. That was.

[Barry]

All of that was meaning in Atlanta period. Yeah.

[Ja]

What was. What was it about Morehouse that was so excited that made you want to come?

[Trev]

There

[Barry]

must have been some culture down

[Ja]

there must have been something he wanted to get a taste of.

[Barry]

Culture.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's what you said you came here for some culture.

[Mandy B]

Let's get into our double downer. Take it back. Last week, we did have some thoughts, which, by the way, guys, the video had just dropped, so we didn't have fucking context. We didn't have anything. Now we did clip it up. Jason, if you could play the clip to remind people of our take on the viral MJ video from. It was the Daytona 500, right? Or something like that?

[Ja]

It was a race.

[Mandy B]

It was a race.

[Ja]

It was a race.

[Mandy B]

Sorry, y'.

[Barry]

All.

[Mandy B]

This is not a sports podcast.

[Ja]

This is not a sports podcast.

[Mandy B]

But

[Ja]

I don't think this is gonna last that long.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Why?

[Barry]

Why shouldn't it?

[Ja]

Well, no, it's. But it's like, the question is, is, does the mainstream media, sports or otherwise, do they have it to go after Michael Jordan?

[Barry]

And I don't think they do if

[Jason Rodriguez]

he's an owner still, Maybe.

[Ja]

Yeah, maybe Optics is everything.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, it's a white kid, bro. On top of that, in no decade was that an appropriate interaction between a grown ass.

[Barry]

Everybody coming for us, too. You know why we're gonna still buy them Jordans when they drop.

[Mandy B]

See, now, it depends the colorway.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Wow.

[Ja]

I'm not gon horses.

[Barry]

I'm looking at everybody feet in here right now. What you wearing over there on over there, bro?

[Jojo]

I got.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I definitely got Jay's on.

[Mandy B]

I'm g. Make sure they clean.

[Ja]

Are they still clean?

[Jason Rodriguez]

You know what's crazy? I got Jordan slippers on right now, so that's even wild.

[Mandy B]

I mean. And by the way, me and a king are wearing JS today. I got my Travis Scotts on.

[Barry]

Yeah.

[Ja]

I should have trolled the whole Internet. I don't know why I didn't think about that.

[Barry]

I'm mad at myself.

[Mandy B]

The Internet now.

[Barry]

Crazy.

[Mandy B]

Since then, the update was. And the heavy sentiments were, how dare we go immediately to thinking that this. This man, this black esteemed man with all these cameras around him would do some pedophilia type of shit, right? Where are our minds that we thought that they also came out and said that allegedly he was dumped with. With ice cubes down his back. And so the little boy. The little boy. And so MJ was shaking out the ice cubes. Now, you know how people live in different worlds. Apparently, we also have different eyes and different. You know. What was the thing that went viral? Is it a gold dress or a blue dress?

[Barry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B]

Where the fuck was the ice cubes? Cause people said they saw ice cubes fall out of that little bitch.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I kind of do. See, it looks like. It looks like there's a wet patch, and it looks like there's a bundle. So I can believe it at the end when he starts pinching towards his leg. Hey, yo. But it does look. I think I might be an Ice cube truther. I think I do see.

[Mandy B]

You're an ice cube truther.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, I need a tinfoil beanie. I think I think I see what I see. I think I see an ice cube packed there.

[Barry]

So why wasn't it presented to us in the initial video that that's what it was?

[Mandy B]

Because apparently we.

[Jason Rodriguez]

If it's just a viral video, who's. Yeah, exactly.

[Mandy B]

Is what they're saying. Like, we wanted to look at it as this powerful man because of what we're seeing with the Epstein files and everything else that he like.

[Barry]

Lil boy, I think a white.

[Jason Rodriguez]

In February, y' all went after Michael Jordan, one of the greatest black athletes we've ever seen and had. And in February, y' all wanted to go after him. Cause y' all can't see the ice like I can.

[Ja]

Well, here's my thing about it. I don't even really give a fuck about the ice. Like, ice or no ice. To me, that shit just looks weird. And you're not gonna convince me that it doesn't look weird. I'm not saying Michael Jordan gonna go to prison. I wasn't saying Michael Jordan should go to hell. I'm saying that shit looked crazy. It looked like you were grabbing at a young boy's bumper multiple times aggressively, and then rubbing his leg like that. Shit just look weird, dog. And it doesn't matter what your intent was. It looked crazy. I wouldn't do that shit.

[Mandy B]

My issue was apparently shake it from the top.

[Ja]

If it's ice in his shirt, shake it, shake it.

[Mandy B]

He didn't have a hoodie. It was a T shirt. Yeah.

[Ja]

Still, I can grab you a collar. I don't have to reach at your fucking ass to do, like, here's my thing.

[Mandy B]

If Jordan had a relationship with the parents, I'm just mad that no one came forward to defend him. Defend him and say it wasn't that my son is okay. My son doesn't feel violated. He's been around our. Like, to me, there was just no defense to the actions. What the video was. And so that's where to me. I still don't know what. I don't know what happened.

[Ja]

I thought there was a girl.

[Mandy B]

I ain't seen no ice cubes.

[Barry]

So guess what that means that we're still gonna wear Jordans.

[Mandy B]

Oh, I said it depends on the colorway. Look, I got mine on today.

[Ja]

Oh, yeah?

[Mandy B]

Yeah. I got mine on today. Speaking of sports, though. Oh, by the way. So what are we doing? Are we double down or taking it back? I think it's 50. 50.

[Barry]

Yeah. I think we still need more.

[Mandy B]

It's a. It's an asterisk. We'll come back to it.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He raised a good point. We have to know who the kid is. If that's, like, his man's son, I feel like it changes things.

[Ja]

Well, I think I did. It was a guy. I thought I was looking. I'm trying to find it right now. I thought there was a guy that came out and says, I don't know if he was the kid's father or a friend of the father. I was trying to find out what that. What the guy was saying.

[Mandy B]

But someone did come out and defend him, because I didn't see.

[Barry]

It was more of a.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Does that mean he's an. Nobody defends him.

[Mandy B]

That's what I'm saying.

[Ja]

I mean.

[Jojo]

Right.

[Mandy B]

Cause he's the owner of the team that won.

[Barry]

Yeah, he's into that shit, too.

[Mandy B]

The race. Look, Yomi said, who gives a fuck? Who gives a shit?

[Jason Rodriguez]

It don't matter.

[Mandy B]

All right. Well, speaking of sports, because, of course, this is not a sports podcast, but the WNBA season may be canceled. So the 2026 WNBA season faces potential disruption or delay due to intense ongoing labor negotiations. We kind of spoke about that a bit at the top of this podcast based on how the WNBA has been performing or outperforming the previous seasons. There's a lot more money coming in. There's a lot more visibility on the league, and basically the tensions remain high as players seek better compensation and benefits. While the league has raised concerns about the financial implications of the proposals, now the negotiation deadline is approaching. Approaching, and NBA Commissioner Adam Silver has not yet set a formal deadline, but urged urgency. Now, currently, the status is. A work stoppage is possible because both sides are still negotiating to finalize a deal as of mid February. As of today, the season does remain scheduled to begin in May, but it's changing rapidly because a lot of the players are seemingly looking to boycott and to not play until these contracts are negotiated. Now, not to spend too much time here, because this will be an ongoing thing over the next couple. Over the next couple months that we can lean into. I do think it's interesting to me from a business perspective, that league has been in the red for a long time. We are just getting to a place where it's getting just as much recognition, not just as much.

[Ja]

Well, no, not yet.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It's getting a lot, but it's getting more than it's ever had.

[Ja]

They've had exponential growth from 2024 to

[Jason Rodriguez]

right now, we're gonna come back to that word, too.

[Mandy B]

And so to me, I think where, yes, I think people should be paid living wages or what they're owed. Y' all also know, I don't think that at any point employees could go to a company and be like, oop, I saw y' all made more money or y'. All. Y' all are trading at a higher cost. Give me a raise. I think that there's just still so much of the bottom line that has to get to a place before you see that. Like, it was interesting to me because.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Can I do my journalism, Jason?

[Mandy B]

Was the commissioner going back to my era, knowing the money that Tracy McGrady and Allen Iverson, Steve Kurt, like, knowing what, like, players made in even the early 2000s compared to now, astronomically different. Those guys were making 20 million, $40 million contracts. The guys now have $300 million contracts.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Can I do my journalism, Jason thing now?

[Mandy B]

Go ahead.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So there's a couple things I want to say for. For the context of this. Right. Like the, The. So the WNBA is owned by the NBA. So the NBA runs it as a business. So when we say it's not profitable, it's. It's not because of the wnba, it's because of the NBA, Right?

[Mandy B]

Yes.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And so right now, the argument that most. Most people will see online.

[Mandy B]

Yes.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Is that the NBA makes more money so that the players should get paid more money. The women are not saying that the. The NBA and the players split the profits, the revenues, 51 and 49. So the players get 49 of the revenue. And the WNBA, the players get 9% of the revenue they get. They're proposing right now, currently they get

[Mandy B]

9%, and they're proposing the 27%.

[Jason Rodriguez]

20%.

[Ja]

The league was. The league was willing to go up to 15, I think.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Right. And so. So there's. So there's barely. There's barely players that make. Make a million dollars. Like, there's not even star. There's like, two star players that maybe make a million dollars. And so that's why. That's why they end up playing.

[Mandy B]

They have to go overseas.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah. So that's why they go overseas. Right. And so, you know, and then this idea of, like, profitability. The NBA wasn't profitable for its first 20 years either. Right. And so.

[Trev]

And.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And right now the WNBA is in a growth period. And so with the growth period, you're trying to project revenues. They have a new TV deal that's about to kick in place. And so the women who are the assets of the league. Right. It's not that they're just, like, general employees. It's not like they're engineers at Apple. And, you know, they want more money because they're selling more iPhones. The women players are the iPhones. Right. And so, you know, that's why they're making their argument about, like, 9% is just too low. Right. They're not proposing 49% because they're not trying to put the league out of business, but they want a bigger piece of the pie because it's about to expand.

[Mandy B]

I'm not mad at that.

[Ja]

And without going, like, too, too deep in the weeds, part of what's going on, too, is that the women are asking for a bigger percent of the revenue as opposed to profits.

[Mandy B]

Okay.

[Barry]

Yeah.

[Ja]

Like, if there were. If the. Like you said the WNBA is in the red. They've been in the red for a long time. So profits aren't going up, revenue is going up. But a lot of the operating costs and a lot of the debt that the league is in is because the NBA and those owners and those teams are funding the wnba. So they essentially. They're getting. It looks like also that they're getting. The owners of the NBA teams are getting paid back at the expense of the players.

[Mandy B]

The player. Okay. Correct.

[Ja]

And so they. It's like instead of us getting paid from the revenue, you're. You're in this debt and you're paying them back before. Before you pay us.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It makes them, like private pirates.

[Ja]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's.

[Mandy B]

I'm curious to see what happens, and I'm sure we will keep. Keep up with all the things.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Hell, yeah.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And, Mandy, I'll say this one thing, too. I think, to wrap it, too, you know, like, when you were in corporate, you know, when you work at a job and you're trying to get your salary and they say, well, we'll discuss it in six months. Right.

[Mandy B]

That's where we're at.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That never happens. Right. Like, you'll say, like, oh, you know, I want 100,000, not 80,000. Oh, well, you know, we can't really do it, but let's just get you in here and we'll talk about it in six months. And I'm sure every listener hearing this, they've been in that position.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

But.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But nobody wants to do that because you never have that conversation in six months. And essentially, that's what the WNBA is telling the players. Like, well, let's just get this at 15, and the TV money will come in and then. And then we'll talk about it down

[Barry]

the road and hope that it works out.

[Ja]

It's like, nah, yeah.

[Mandy B]

No, we're not doing that.

[Barry]

And as a player, you ain't trying to. You ain't caring about what these niggas may or may not be waiting. You just want your money.

[Ja]

And that's part of their argument. It's like, what y' all in debt for? It has nothing to do with us. That's Yalls debt figured out. Y' all figure that out.

[Mandy B]

Facts. Facts. Wait, y', all don't. Y' all don't be having that mentality with me. No.

[Barry]

Collective bargaining. Collective, Bar.

[Jason Rodriguez]

We're about to start a separate group chat.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Yo.

[Mandy B]

Well, there. I'm listening to y'.

[Barry]

All.

[Ja]

I hear you, player.

[Barry]

We'll get that text message. We need to have a conversation.

[Trev]

This is.

[Barry]

Ho.

[Mandy B]

Wait.

[Ja]

All right,

[Mandy B]

all right, y'. All. Let's get into. This is America.

[Barry]

Don't got you slipping, though.

[Mandy B]

All right, Jesus. So we'll start with, of course, condolences.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Rip.

[Mandy B]

Rip.

[Jojo]

Mm.

[Mandy B]

And I also feel bad. Cause I was lusting after him just last year.

[Ja]

Oh, were you?

[Mandy B]

Oh, my God. Him on Euphoria. Ugh. So, y', all. Eric Dane, an actor who was on Charmed, who was on euphoria, who was McSweety from Grey's Anatomy. Grey's Anatomy recently lost his battle to als.

[Barry]

Rip.

[Mandy B]

Rip. And a lot of information has been coming out about this. He succumbed to this rapidly. He found out his diagnosis two years ago, announced to everyone that he was battling it in about 10 months ago. And since announcing it, he just left us. Now, what's interesting in what is going on on the Internet is interesting because his family recently set up a GoFundMe. Now, the GoFundMe is essentially to help his daughters. Now, they are seeking $500,000. And as of right now, they currently have about $366,000 raised. Now, this is. Let me see where it's going. Any contribution, no matter the size, will help provide stability during this incredibly difficult time and in future for Eric's wonderful daughters. Now, that's what the GoFundMe is for. One of the interesting things, however, that I've been seeing is how everyone is like, whoa, he's had an acting career for over 20 years. He's had to have money. Why are his daughters not set up? What did he do with his money? Interestingly enough, I also saw an article where Johnny Depp actually allowed Eric to stay in his home rent free in order to assist him with his health care bill coverage. So whatever money he made, I don't know if y' all have seen even the cost of an ambulance ride.

[Ja]

It's ridiculous.

[Mandy B]

So two years ago, I thought I was gonna die, y'. All. I woke up in the middle of the sleep. In my sleep, and here I go, like a little bitch. I called my mama. I said, mama, I'm so cold. I'm gonna. I had a. I was experiencing kidney failure. I had a kidney infection, and I didn't know how important the goddamn kidney was. Yeah. So I didn't. I didn't know that they.

[Barry]

Yeah, you.

[Mandy B]

I didn't know it was that important. So literally, mind you, it's May. It's summertime. Okay.

[Ja]

Why am I cold?

[Mandy B]

I'm freezing. Hold on. In jackets, I got a robe, and I'm shivering like, bitch, I am Jack from the Titanic. I'll never let go. You know what I mean? So I'm freezing. I call my mom, and I'm like, something's not right. I think I'm about to die. So she's like, okay, okay, call 911. And you don't even understand. Amidst shaking at 3:00 clock in the morning, I was like, nah, bro, I'm finna call an Uber. Because.

[Ja]

Damn.

[Mandy B]

Because that just ambulance bill alone can be anywhere from. It starts at 500.

[Ja]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

But can go all the way up to 2,500, $3,000, depending on what test they're running in the back of that goddamn ambulance. And so immediately, I'm just like, no, I'm gonna take an Uber. And so knowing that, knowing also just the cost. I have a recent friend that went through ivf. I have another friend who beat breast cancer. But those bills that were coming in. And mind you, she had to go and get the Armstrong. Like, she had to go and seek

[Ja]

out, find the money.

[Mandy B]

Completely different insurance, because her insurance wasn't covering chemo. So she had to go and get, like, an organization to help her with those bills. And so when I sit here and I see the Internet completely, like, oblivious to what type of healthcare system we have in the United States, I'm just like, bitch, have y' all never been sick? Have y' all never got a healthcare bill in the mail? We were even just talking beforehand. Fuck healthcare. There's normally something different for vision, for dental, and when you have something like a disease. I need y' all to read your healthcare coverage. When you get diagnosed with certain deadly diseases, your insurances may not cover the treatment for those things.

[Barry]

Hmo.

[Mandy B]

Hmo, hold on. And then a copay.

[Barry]

You know, niggas like to get to HMO because it's cheaper.

[Mandy B]

But that's what I'm saying, mind you, when you have healthcare insurance, oh, baby, that doesn't mean you get to go to the doctor every time you have

[Barry]

coverage out of network. Coverage out of network, doctors out of network. Yeah, it's a process you can't do.

[Mandy B]

And so it's just, it's. It was alarming to me seeing how many people were tweeting their kind of disdain for these GoFundMes. Mind you, at the same time, Ms. J from America's Next Top Model, who experienced a stroke in 2022 and went through a lot of, you know, was pretty much out of commission for a year, couldn't walk, couldn't talk. And is still overcoming.

[Ja]

Still can't walk.

[Mandy B]

Still can't walk.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

They recently set up a GoFundMe. And the Internet is like, oh, you nasty. You waited until after the documentary came out to start a GoFundMe. And I'm just like.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And that's what he's supposed to do

[Mandy B]

when he got the attention, humanity to just want people to be able to not be in debt for what the government has set up in this country.

[Ja]

Yeah. And in Eric Dane's case, like, he had a career that he played a lot of roles and he was a prominent actor, but like, he wasn't the A list actor starring in $100 million blockbuster, 100 million films. Like, he was a working actor actor. And like you live in la, they're already chopping at that tax bracket. You're already getting chopped probably 55%, 52%, soon as you get your check, before you pay a lawyer, an agent, whatever else.

[Mandy B]

So you ready? That's, I think, the problem because there's this attachment of celebrity because these people are maybe making above poverty because they're making hundreds of thousands or maybe even millions when it comes to middle America or, you know, the average working Americans, they feel like if I'm figuring life out, if you couldn't figure out with that much money, that's your fault.

[Ja]

Right.

[Mandy B]

Without thinking of the fact that their expenses are higher, they're paying out teens, they're paying out. Like we saw even what's happening with Glorilla, like her family's expecting her to completely just take care of them as grown ass working adults.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And so I imagine he probably just had union insurance. Like, he probably had like sad aftra.

[Ja]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And probably didn't Buy anything additional. And so, you know, when the idea of like pre existing conditions, you know, he probably, like, didn't meet that threshold. And that's why I kind of got out of pocket. And like, to your point, Mandy, it's proportional. People who are saying they're figuring out, they're figuring it out, but it, but they're still. Their head is just above water. He's probably the same way with his expenses.

[Mandy B]

And I think that that's what you just said is exactly right. Like, it's proportional. So the way that you live your expenses, as you make more money, you spend more money. It just is what it is. And a lot of it is proportional.

[Ja]

Yeah, it's just what is your life. And that doesn't mean that he was out buying Bentley Beamers and Benzes every week. The man's just living his life. He has a family to support. They do whatever they do. They live however they live.

[Mandy B]

By the way, you ready? This economy is affecting everyone. Y' all remember how rents used to be $600 and now they $2,000 the same for these homes that these celebrities are renting. Essentially, they went from maybe being $5,000 to $15,000. More like the economy is affecting everybody and how things are spent. So.

[Ja]

And not for nothing, they're not even asking for some obscene amount of money. The goal was 500 grand. Like for both daughters. For both daughters. So it's like not saying you have. No one is entitled or no one is owed to donate to a GoFundMe, but like, God damn.

[Barry]

So you ready?

[Ja]

Then don't, Then don't. Yeah, it's just ugly for no reason.

[Mandy B]

Like, mad. Like, if you don't want to donate, just don't, don't, don't donate.

[Ja]

Go about your business. But like watching.

[Barry]

Oh, why they gotta go for me

[Ja]

when they, they acting?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Huh?

[Mandy B]

GoFundMe doesn't. GoFundMe actually doesn't take that much because they actually ask you to donate to GoFundMe.

[Barry]

Right.

[Mandy B]

So when you, when you go to a GoFundMe league, there will be a, a button to say, how much of this percent do you want to go to GoFundMe? Because GoFundMe is also like a. Is it a non profit? It's a, it's a crowdfunding site.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

So they also need help to run their business as well. So they do take a percentage out of it. Are you looking that up?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Yeah.

[Ja]

But they do also ask for additional.

[Barry]

Yeah, they'll set you off at a, at a Minimum. But you don't have to. You could be whatever.

[Mandy B]

10%.

[Ja]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I think it's like, a really low threshold, too.

[Ja]

It's 2.9% plus 30% per donation. Okay, so barely 3%. If that.

[Mandy B]

It's not a lot. Yeah, it's not a lot. All right, so y'. All. Y' all are agreeing. People are just upset for no reason about this.

[Barry]

Upset about it.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Ja]

Yeah. That's some dumb. Like, mind your business.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I think I. I think, like, there's a common thread over, like, the things that we're talking about today, Right? Like with the wnba, with, like, insurance. It's like, I feel like people are wrong. Like, they're mad at the wrong thing. And they're not pointing to sort of, like, the larger organizations that have, like, more influence over everything. And instead they want to do, like, the personal. Exactly. Accountability thing of it all.

[Ja]

Like, been telling you that systemically, it's up out here, and nobody wants to hear that.

[Mandy B]

No, the problem is we're just now getting to. To the realization that that American dream, this being the best country in the world, this being the country of the.

[Ja]

Yeah, that is all bullshit.

[Jason Rodriguez]

This is. Advertisement.

[Mandy B]

They pushed it.

[Ja]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B]

I'm not gonna lie. America, at one point had a really good pr. It tricked me. It made me believe this was the best country in the goddamn world. And it ain't.

[Barry]

Well, also, you need to, you know, not to get too political, but it's important to vote for people who have those interests, which is your. Should be your best interest at heart. Because these are people who gotta advocate when they go to Capitol Hill and talk about healthcare and all of these things. They're the ones, man, that move the needle. So. So if we're not tapped into that, then we're gonna just be in this crisis for forever. We will be shout out to Canada.

[Mandy B]

We will be not shout out to Canada.

[Barry]

We got free healthcare. Shit.

[Mandy B]

You wanna go ahead and introduce this next one? Ja. This one is yours. Captain Durag.

[Ja]

Oh, shit. Okay.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Ja]

So. So former NFL player Martellus Bennett has a.

[Mandy B]

He ain't in it.

[Ja]

He ain't in it. His name, Bennett. He ain't in it. Matter of fact, he's not with it. Cause y' all been talking this shit about his program. He has a Disney show, a cartoon called Captain Durag, and apparently it's called hey, aj. What's that called?

[Mandy B]

Hey, aj.

[Barry]

I'm sorry.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It's called hey, aj.

[Ja]

There's a character in hey, AJ Called Captain Durag, and apparently People are outraged, outraged and conflicted about the idea that Captain Durag is like a black man. His Durag is his cape. He fights crime in the city, puts away the bad guys, and people are very outraged by the fact that they would call a character Captain Durag.

[Mandy B]

Now, we do have a clip.

[Ja]

Yeah, we have a clip. My brother, Victor Blackwell. Shout out to Victor Blackwell. I do his show on CNN on Sundays. He brought this subject to Instagram and it came across my timeline and it's Black History Month. I feel like this is a good conversation to have. So let's just.

[Barry]

Let's see what he's talking about.

[Mandy B]

Let's play the clip now, y'. All. It is a fairly long clip, but what I love about this clip too, is that you get to hear the actual outrage that we're gonna kind of respond to.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Heard about this new controversial character on a show called hey, AJ On Disney Junior.

[Ja]

Wow.

[Mandy B]

It's really Captain Durag. For some odd reason, Disney decided to say okay to a superhero on Disney Junior named Captain Durag who wears a durag in a cape to keep Slime City safe. This is freaking outrageous. Y' all wrong for this one.

[Barry]

I've had enough of your trash business, cracker.

[Mandy B]

Black dark skinned man takes out the trash.

[Ja]

Are we serious?

[Mandy B]

Like in the middle of February too.

[Ja]

I wonder who green lit that.

[Mandy B]

Like, he genuinely could not have been a black person. Like, I actually think it was, you know.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Well, it was created by former NFL player, author, creative Martellus Bennett. And he's a black man.

[Barry]

I don't care who made it. Y' all gonna be like, oh, a black dude. That might be worse.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Bennett posted something on his social media in defense of Captain Durag and the liberation of the black image. Here's part of it. As a young black boy, my durag was my first superhero cape. I didn't need Batman's cape or Darkwing Ducks cape or Superman's. I had a durag. And when I tied it up and that tail started flapping behind me as I ran through the house, nobody could stop me. That was my black imagination doing what imagination is supposed to do, making me bigger than the world tried to make me. He also wrote this. Captain Durag is about empowering the ordinary objects in black life. Like a durag. Why can't a durag be a cape? Why can't a black superhero wear a do rag? Why can't an imaginative black girl on Disney have a superhero who looks like her father? A father who wears a durag around the house? What is so bad about a whole family rocking a durag. What is so wrong with letting the durag be the source of a superpower when it has been the source of confidence and transformation for generations?

[Mandy B]

I actually think it's fly.

[Ja]

Like, that's us.

[Mandy B]

Y' all telling me that ain't fly.

[Ja]

He got the durag as a cake.

[Trev]

Stop messing on Captain Do Rag. It's actually a cool concept in my view.

[Ja]

That's why I'm Captain Do Rag, not Captain Don't Rag.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

So when it comes to Captain Do Rag, what do you think?

[Ja]

So Victor asked the question, what's wrong? Martellus Bennett in his response as what's wrong with it? And you know what's wrong with it? There's nothing wrong with it. What's wrong with these niggas is that they see their lives through white people. Like, these are these niggas who would tell you, like, I would never eat watermelon in front of no white. But I don't give a about no white person watching seeing me eat watermelon. Like, I was joking earlier about the watermelon drink.

[Barry]

That shit hydrates.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Ja]

Like, nigga, I. I'm not gonna let these people trick me off of some shit that we. This our shit.

[Barry]

Yeah.

[Ja]

Like, the durag is our shit. Like, why. Why would you be embarrassed about some shit that we do?

[Barry]

Cause they associate do rags with. With criminal acts.

[Ja]

Criminal and all the whole shit.

[Mandy B]

They've sat here and made black men in hoodies be criminalized throughout. Throughout. Even just the last couple years. Right. Which is why. What is it? Luke Cage, his literally, his uniform was walking around in a black hoodie to make it seem like, bro, a black man in a hoodie is not something to be criminalized. So the idea that now they're making a durag a part of a cape for a superhero, I think it's freaking dope. I also am so mad that I didn't bring in my.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I thought I'm looking for the durag. I wanted to say do rides across

[Mandy B]

the the board on some inappropriate. I put the do rag on cuz a can't pull my hair. I've had a pull my durag before.

[Ja]

That is gangster.

[Mandy B]

That's my bundles, baby.

[Ja]

I love that for you. I love that.

[Barry]

But he's pulling it off.

[Mandy B]

No, no, no. I be tired, so. But no, I. I love durags. And I now to be fair, where I have also in the. In the hypocrite landscape have said that a woman's bonnet shouldn't be Worn in certain places.

[Barry]

Nah, it's different.

[Mandy B]

To me, a durag is different. And I love that. We are, mind you, the fact that black people are mad that a black person created a show like this with its culture, it's like, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. We've always talked about representation, and it actually showing up in our entertainment in a way that uplifts us. Right? We talk about how don't nobody want to see black on black crime films or a black man getting shot or slavery films anymore. And we finally have a black cartoon

[Ja]

that highlights, highlighting, celebrating black culture.

[Mandy B]

Black culture. And y' all got something.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And it's a lot of black folks behind it, too. Like, there's a writer on it, Camille Corbett. Like, she's a Jamaican American comedian. I think she might have been the one that actually had created the character. But, like, it's. It's solid all around. And I. This is a question I want to ask y'.

[Jojo]

All.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And, Ja, you alluded to it, but, like, a lot of people are saying, like, how did, like, who at Disney did this? Or who. Who told Disney it was okay to do that?

[Ja]

Right?

[Jason Rodriguez]

And so, Ja, like, I think you're saying, like, when we're allowed to do something, then we're acting different in front of white people. And so, like, my question, it's like, what. What the people who are complaining, it's like, what would you want a black show on Disney to look like?

[Ja]

Right? Like, does it have to be the

[Mandy B]

Princess and the frog? That's. You know what I mean?

[Ja]

Like, does it have to be that? Does it, like, look, it doesn't have

[Mandy B]

to be fairy tale. I think that this shows a black household, which is also crazy, that someone right now is upset about it. And I think that's where. And we'll talk about on the bonus episode this week, America's Next Top Model and seeing it through a different lens. I don't remember anyone having a problem with the Proud family.

[Ja]

Right, Right.

[Mandy B]

I don't remember anyone. You know what I mean? Like, and that was what we watched. Like, being able to see a black family in animation growing up was dope. What's the problem with it today? I don't. I don't understand what the issue is part of.

[Ja]

Like, Kendrick was just at the Grammys with a pick in his hair with a black fist. Like this. Our hair. And black hair has been an issue free as long as I can remember.

[Mandy B]

I know New York passed. The Crown act. Just.

[Ja]

Yeah, the Crown Act. Yeah. The Crown act was a whole thing. And black women talking about that. You were just talking about your hair and working in corporate America and the fear that. That struck into how these people gonna. So, like, this is stuff that we have to deal with. I just don't understand looking at life through. What will white people think if they see this? That's a crazy way to wake up in the morning and just be like, all right, I gotta make sure white people don't look at me weird. Like, nigga, what earth are you from?

[Mandy B]

This 2026 lens is sensitive.

[Ja]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

I'm like, this is like. I swear, no one had an issue with Proud Family and the blackness that was portrayed on that show. And this is. I don't get it, honey.

[Ja]

I went to a PWI in my freshman year. There was like a small handful of black. I wore my durag everywhere. To class, to the. To the cafeteria, like, and it wasn't even necessarily a protest, but it's just like, this is what I'm gonna do.

[Mandy B]

Right.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I don't really reach out to everything you've been saying earlier. It's culture. If you're not proud of it, then it's not culture.

[Barry]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So it's like, what are we doing then?

[Mandy B]

I do wanna shout someone out real quick. Oh, boy. The journalist here in Atlanta that you said has been doing some stuff that I dropped.

[Ja]

Oh, hood anchor. Yay.

[Mandy B]

Hood anchor.

[Ja]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hood anchor. Yay is dope.

[Mandy B]

Hood anchor, yay.

[Ja]

Shout out Hooda ankar.

[Mandy B]

Yay. Oh, my God. Hold on. And he wears a robe and a tie.

[Ja]

And a tie.

[Mandy B]

No code switching and how he does it, but he's being allowed. He just interviewed Gavin Newsom, who was just in Atlanta to. I guess he's on a book tour, but it was. He's just so dope. Because I think that that's what I want to see more of now. I have talked about black people coming in, not being prepared, but he comes in and he's professional, but he's not code switching.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Yes.

[Mandy B]

He's giving it to you in the Atlanta lingo and all, and I just love that.

[Ja]

And it's not. And he's not making a mockery of it. One of the clips I just saw the other day, Sandy Springs police were shutting down a massage parlor that had sex trafficking. He was there talking to all of the Sandy Springs police, the SWAT team. He's doing real interviews, asking them real questions. And it's not like some gotcha, like, haha, let's laugh now. Like, he's Dead serious, by the way.

[Mandy B]

We might have to talk about. Do you. Do y' all see his sponsor?

[Ja]

Who is that Sponsor?

[Mandy B]

His sponsor is hungry af. The.

[Ja]

Oh, oh, the people.

[Mandy B]

The Uber that stole my food.

[Jojo]

That's funny.

[Mandy B]

The Uber that stole my food. He. They a sponsor. I'm like, oh, we might need to get some hungry.

[Ja]

How about that?

[Jason Rodriguez]

We got to have him on the

[Mandy B]

show on camera now. Anyways, before we get out of this is America, I'm sure that we'll have a lot more to talk about next week. Prayers to everybody in Vallarta and Puerto Vallarta in Mexico. Did I not. Did I say it right? Puerto Vallarta. You know, apparently, they done killed the wrong. They didn't kill a cartel member.

[Ja]

El Mincho, who Color me shot him.

[Mandy B]

He's like, who. Who was the other little. The. The big.

[Barry]

El Chapo.

[Ja]

Chapo.

[Jojo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ja]

Mincho's on that list with Chapo. Like, he's one of those.

[Mandy B]

For those of y' all don't know, it's like El Chapo being killed. And. And he was killed in a government operation that allegedly.

[Barry]

Allegedly Bitch.

[Mandy B]

We was involved in.

[Barry]

Of course.

[Mandy B]

So it's getting a little sticky. The US Civilians.

[Barry]

No, I'm just saying, who did that

[Mandy B]

apparently had his hands up in that thing.

[Barry]

We like guacamole.

[Ja]

We don't have no cheese.

[Barry]

What do you mean?

[Mandy B]

I ain't gonna lie. Mexican is my least favorite food.

[Ja]

I've never met anybody on earth.

[Barry]

Wait a minute.

[Ja]

Mexican was their least favorite food.

[Mandy B]

I've never heard of anybody go say, you know what? I'm in a mood for tacos. Hell, yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But you know.

[Ja]

You know what's wild every day.

[Mandy B]

Tacos is not Mexican.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But, Mandy, when we sat, when we sat, when we sat, we talked about. When we talked about this show and making this show. We went to a Mexican spot, you and I. We had margaritas.

[Barry]

Oh, you said at a Mexican.

[Jason Rodriguez]

We was at a spot for, like, two hours. We was in the East Village, you and me, for, like, two hours at a Mexican spot, talking about creating a

[Mandy B]

fish cheeks that was tied.

[Barry]

No, that was after.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That was after.

[Barry]

Talking about early.

[Mandy B]

Did I just eat tequila?

[Barry]

Did she have crazy.

[Mandy B]

What did I order?

[Barry]

Did she have a durag on?

[Jason Rodriguez]

You might. You might have just ate tequila.

[Mandy B]

Literally. Because I don't be liking Mexican food. For real?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yes, but that's eating Mexican.

[Mandy B]

I'm not a fan of the quesadilla. The burrito. The.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yes.

[Barry]

Why you say it like that? Quesadilla.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Stop

[Ja]

The Takaria.

[Mandy B]

The. What else? Hold on. What else? Yo, I don't. I don't like none of that. The. The tequila.

[Ja]

That's like a black Mexican name.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Drinking. Drinking tequila.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Drinking.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Drinking tequila needs to be our first merch drop.

[Mandy B]

Drinking tequila.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Drinking tequila needs to be our first merch drop. I'll be drinking tequila or eating tequila.

[Mandy B]

Tequila.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That has to be a merch.

[Mandy B]

Honestly. Honestly. Prayers. Prayers to everyone who's stuck out there. I will say that shit looks scary. I will say, hold on. A new fear was instilled into me. They're stuck. So that's the fear. I'm not gonna lie. Seeing that they went and attacked the airports. The fear that I could be stuck in a country because the cartel has now ransacked the, the, the airports.

[Ja]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

So where they can't get out. I, I, I'm following. There's a. There's a guy that I'm following on Twitter and he's down there. He's a journalist. He was just down there for a convention. But the idea of going to a country thinking I'm going on vacation, thinking I'm going just for a couple days and then I'll be back home and genuinely being stuck in a country where they're blowing up cars, buses. They're threatening to start doing going into hotels and knocking on doors and killing anybody because they're trying to figure out who knew who had played or just showing that you don't fuck with us.

[Barry]

That's crazy.

[Mandy B]

I'm horrified. Reading the news. They're also saying like that now they may have to restructure the World cup because Mexico was supposed to host the World cup as well.

[Ja]

Jesus Christ.

[Mandy B]

And this is just the scariest thing. And I'm just prayers to everybody. Have you been talking to your parents? Are they okay? That's the one that shut down the Guadalajara airport. Both. And I hope y' all can hear yomi because she's not mic'd up. We're gonna have to get her mic soon. We're just gonna have to mute her. Laughs but her parents are currently in Guadalajara.

[Barry]

I like that.

[Mandy B]

And it's two hours away. Baby.

[Barry]

I'm.

[Ja]

She can do it. She chooses. She can do it.

[Barry]

She got on her right.

[Ja]

She could do it. She know what it is.

[Mandy B]

I could do it.

[Ja]

Of course you can.

[Mandy B]

You from Florida. Calm down. Florida. Florida. Education school.

[Barry]

You never used to listen to Nina Sky.

[Mandy B]

You said what?

[Barry]

You never used to listen to Nina Sky. You never used to listen to that Daddy Yankee.

[Mandy B]

You done that is probably the most Ignorant fucking question. You never listen to Nina Sky. They're not even Mexican.

[Barry]

I know, but I'm just saying you

[Mandy B]

could have said Salinas.

[Ja]

Anything for Salena.

[Mandy B]

Anyways, we should not have gotten here with this.

[Ja]

But yeah, no, that looks. That video of them blowing up a Costco, I was like, oh, these.

[Mandy B]

And I see that they're targeting taxi cab drivers as well.

[Ja]

Taxi cab drivers? Yeah, hotels and resorts. Like, and I'm not gonna hold you the way you were opening up that description about, like, going on vacation. It feel like the beginning of like a Liam Neeson movie. Like, I'm going on vacation, about to have a good time, and then breaks out. And I'm here now and I got whoop these ass.

[Barry]

But blowing up a random car isn't going to find out who did that.

[Mandy B]

No. Yeah, they're doing.

[Ja]

They're mad. They're pissed off.

[Mandy B]

They are putting their dick on the table pretty much like, yo, we will burn this. We run this. Which when you go to Mexico, mind you, let's just take it for y' all ignorant people, because I see people.

[Jason Rodriguez]

People.

[Mandy B]

Well, they ain't in tulum. Like, it could not only go reach that far when you leave the airport. It's why you have to go. And you can't just hop in an Uber. You can't just hop in a cab because the cartel owns the cab companies. And so it's why you have to take certain cabs to certain places on hotel row. And it's numbered because certain cartels own certain parts of goddamn hotel row, which means you can only get get into certain cabs. Like, there's no Uber. Like, in certain places in Mexico, you gotta use the taxi cab companies. It's crazy. It's crazy.

[Ja]

And some of this shit is happening because Trump is putting his foot on their neck to do shit in Mexico to get the cartels to keep bringing, you know, they're bringing fentanyl, they're bringing all this shit over here. So them trying to keep Trump happy and keep us boots off the ground in Mexico, because that's basically what he's threatening them with, not the boots off the ground. Yes, it. Yo, they out there, they don't want no trouble. And so they're trying to keep. They're trying to keep Big Orange happy.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And so they're trying to keep them out of. Out of their business.

[Barry]

Yeah, right, right.

[Ja]

So, like, it's just the domino effect of how this has played out is like, this is just another up situation that you could lay right at Donald Trump's. Feet.

[Mandy B]

Well, speaking of beef, let's get into the last topic of the day. We got celebrities save the Darndest things. And it's been 50 versus everybody. I feel like that he's probably gonna start wearing that shirt. Y' all ever seen that shirt? Detroit versus everybody? Yeah, it's 50 versus everybody. We've been talking about him and Jim Jones over the last couple weeks, and now him and TI Are going. Now, we talked about it briefly last week where TI said that it would be a good birthday. Y' all heard our take. We said TI Would win that shit in a landslide.

[Barry]

Who's we?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I didn't say that.

[Mandy B]

You did not say 50 Cent would beat TI in a landslide.

[Barry]

I didn't say that TI was gonna beat 50 in a landslide. That's crazy to say a landslide.

[Mandy B]

You don't you think it would be close?

[Barry]

I think the versus is performative. So it's like. It all depends. It's like a show, whatever. I don't know if 50 could match TI's energy.

[Mandy B]

It's not even energy. Candy Shop ain't really touching anything. Candy Shop is tasty hair.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It's performative, but it's also endurance.

[Barry]

The track record Winks is not bad.

[Ja]

Winx is not bad.

[Mandy B]

Say you a wingster, but you never partner.

[Ja]

Yeah, what was that? That was like a. That was like doing some The Harlem shake with her mouth.

[Barry]

Like, don't clip this up.

[Jason Rodriguez]

We need a dog. We need a durags this episode.

[Mandy B]

But his music was like, y'.

[Barry]

All.

[Mandy B]

Y' all doing 21 questions.

[Ja]

Yeah, that's a classic. That's a classic song. 50's gonna have. 50's gonna win some of those rounds. But to. But to your point. Yeah, I don't think it'll be a landslide.

[Mandy B]

Okay.

[Ja]

But I do think TI would probably win. Well, that's the thing about it.

[Mandy B]

Out of 20, that might get six.

[Ja]

That's the thing. 50 will burn out fast in 20 songs. Because there might not be a whole 20 that hold up as strong. Like, what up, gangster?

[Barry]

He's gonna use the power theme song.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

That's.

[Barry]

That's.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Because that's.

[Ja]

That's. That's one. He'll probably get that one.

[Mandy B]

Not that he does the one with Trey songs. They didn't even like that version.

[Barry]

No, no, no.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah,

[Mandy B]

They said bring back the old.

[Ja]

Yeah, bring back the old version. Like, we ain't fucking with this new shit, bro. Like, I think he got.

[Barry]

He got. It won't be a landslide for sure. I don't think it'll be a landslide.

[Jason Rodriguez]

A king is 14,6 a landslide, though? Mandy asks.

[Mandy B]

A landslide.

[Barry]

I don't think it was.

[Mandy B]

Think it would be?

[Jason Rodriguez]

No, but is. But if it was.

[Mandy B]

Bring them out.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Bring them out.

[Mandy B]

Bring them out. 24 is like, I run New York.

[Barry]

That's a banger.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I run New York.

[Ja]

Many men.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I get money. That's three right there. He could probably get like six to

[Barry]

eight in the club.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Give me his in the club.

[Ja]

Come off and get rich. Die trying.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Barry]

Amusement park.

[Jason Rodriguez]

How to ride, how to rob.

[Barry]

Go against though.

[Mandy B]

Like, go shot it. It's your birthday.

[Barry]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

That's as bad as lol. Smiley face. And the birthday girl. Stop it, stop it, bro.

[Barry]

Birthday s in the club.

[Mandy B]

In the club. You can find me in the club.

[Jason Rodriguez]

We need an onset. Durag.

[Barry]

Mandy gets she over here.

[Ja]

Get you one of them, G. I'm not gonna lie.

[Mandy B]

I'm not gonna lie. So 50 cents replaced Chris Brown at Dreamville, I think last year, a couple years ago.

[Trev]

Yep.

[Mandy B]

I ain't gonna hold you. His visuals, he had me like this. He had me like this. But I just don't think he's being T.I. anyways, let's get into now the TIB. So that's how it started. T.I. recently sat on, I think it was million dollars worth of games. And he shared that in private. 50 Cent agreed to a. And then he backed out of it. So TI Went to my nigga now. I don't respect no nigga now. Like. And he went, you know, was like, I don't respect that. Cause you agreed and now you backing out. Fuck, nigga.

[Barry]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

50 Cent responded how he knows how to respond. By posting a picture of Tiny. Yeah, a very unflattering photo of Tiny.

[Ja]

Right?

[Mandy B]

And it was. It was unflattering.

[Ja]

No, it wasn't a good picture.

[Mandy B]

It wasn't a good picture. Now she has some good pictures.

[Barry]

She absolutely has a good picture.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But even if it's a bad picture, it's some whole ass shit.

[Ja]

Right, right, right.

[Mandy B]

Because like what everybody say, even the cartel know no women and children, right?

[Barry]

Yeah, but not everybody. But not everybody. But that's the problem. Not everybody abides by those rules. And I think 50s excuses, that 50's excuses.

[Mandy B]

Y' all let Kendrick and Drake do it.

[Barry]

If the caption said that, that I told y', all, I keep saying my name. So that justifies him for being.

[Mandy B]

That's not justified.

[Barry]

No, I'm saying in his mind, in his mind, it's like he's like, yo, I Don't have a rule. Just keep my name out your mouth, and we won't do none of this. Well, and I think that's why TI is like, yo, I don't want to stand on stage with you Now.

[Mandy B]

It's not even that. In response to that, his son King came out.

[Barry]

Oh, yeah.

[Mandy B]

And not going. It got even more disrespectful. Not going on some. Well, your mama is dead and buried, so. So unbury your mama before you talk about my mama. Which is also. Whoa, bro.

[Ja]

Said, dig that bitch up.

[Barry]

Yeah, that was crazy.

[Ja]

Damn.

[Mandy B]

I didn't even want to play the clip. Cause, I mean, that was.

[Ja]

No, that was. That was bad.

[Barry]

It was bad on both sides.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

It was bad.

[Ja]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Barry]

But when you do that, though, I will say, 50's not gonna stop, man.

[Mandy B]

TI's response to that, though. He did get in the booth.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

He did.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He did get in the booth.

[Barry]

But he didn't put a name on it, though.

[Ja]

Not yet.

[Barry]

I'm just saying at this point.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But you don't put a name on it. On the first couple clip.

[Mandy B]

I was going to say, like, you

[Jason Rodriguez]

know, yeah, the warning shots don't happen.

[Mandy B]

Do we care to see?

[Barry]

I don't want violence. I don't want. I don't. I don't want. Cuz. What happened?

[Mandy B]

Because in the group chat, we literally said. And this is before I sent y'. All, that he responded in the booth. It was, yo, when we start talking about kids, dead moms, all this, it becomes a little like.

[Barry]

Like.

[Ja]

Like the boundary personal now and the

[Mandy B]

energy that comes with entertainment.

[Barry]

Dig your mama.

[Mandy B]

Dig your mama up.

[Barry]

But also his wife. So it's like.

[Ja]

I mean, yeah, I mean.

[Mandy B]

But also said, my mama, who my mama is. Your mama was a J also.

[Ja]

That part, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, King was talking crazy to that man.

[Mandy B]

When we say that we want beef, I think the same way we were talking about. Okay, some beefs last forever. We were talking about the. The uncle murder, Ja Rule, all these Now. Now, with this beef, though, you're now involving wives and children, and the children are now responding to you. It's now a family matter versus somebody that allegedly has music dropping. But we haven't gotten really music from 50 in a while. Allegedly. He's dropping an album this year.

[Ja]

We'll see.

[Mandy B]

I don't know if he responds in the booth as fast.

[Ja]

I don't see him doing that just because I feel like he'd rather play these WI Fi games.

[Mandy B]

Wi Fi games.

[Ja]

But I don't. I Guess we'll find out.

[Barry]

So as we record this, I said, let me go to.

[Mandy B]

Come on. Breaking news.

[Barry]

Curtis is a 50 cent.

[Mandy B]

I love the journalism of Africa around here.

[Barry]

He posted it's not gonna stop.

[Mandy B]

Uh. Oh, wait, who just posted he doesn't

[Ja]

know how to stop.

[Mandy B]

Wait, what is that?

[Barry]

So he posted a video from another YouTube platform, 050, the movement.

[Mandy B]

Oh, no.

[Barry]

And they're talking about it. So he posted that. But the centerpiece picture of it is. Oh, it's on Tiny and King in the video. And it got. What's the wrestler?

[Ja]

Hacksaw Jim Duncan.

[Barry]

Hacksaw Jim Duncan. Oh, man, it's crazy. That's why I said, I don't know where this is gonna go. This one I don't know.

[Ja]

But here's the thing.

[Mandy B]

Like, 50 is this not hip hop? Don't we like beef?

[Jason Rodriguez]

But you know what? But even the comments. Mandy, let me read you some of the comments on the post, right? Cause people are saying, I don't know, but I thought the most ruthless gangster said, no women, no children. And then you got. This is some corny energy. And then you got here. Y' all new ninjas ain't got no code. Tiny be minding her business and don't be bothering anyone. Maybe I'm square, but I didn't see the humor in this.

[Mandy B]

Here's the hypocrisy.

[Barry]

I also see. I like Tiny, but I love 50.

[Mandy B]

Here's the hypocrisy in all of this. No one was that mad when Drake said, kendrick, that baby, not your baby. No one was mad when Pusha T announced that Drake had a kid with. Who he had a kid with. He talked about who he had a kid with.

[Barry]

But. But hold on. Don't do that. But Drake, this cause is an effect. Drake called out Pusha T's wife first. Then we get to Adonis. He wasn't gonna say nothing about that.

[Ja]

Most of the time. In Drake's case, all that shit was corny.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, he's gonna initiate the like right now.

[Barry]

You're doing.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You're doing what you said earlier today, King, when you said. When we were talking about Republicans are being like, your wise mandani want to show ID when they don't want to show. It's all unrelated. And all of it is lame. You know what I mean? Like, and the thing was, like, 50. It's like, we. We do love 50, but it's like when he gets to pushing the buttons, it's like, yo, he's mad corny, right? Like, what we love you for is, like, your. Your humor and the shit that you put out. But this ain't funny. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, if you have an issue with TI Then take it to TI Right? Like. Or Jim. Like, if you have an issue with Jim, like, say the thing that you're saying, right? Instead, you're just trying to be funny and hashtag, like, your liquor brand and nobody drinks.

[Barry]

You know what I mean?

[Jason Rodriguez]

So it's like, to me, it's like, what is he doing, Jason?

[Mandy B]

But this is the thing. Instead of making a police report, instead of coming to somebody, talking to them on the phone, everybody wants to bring shit to the Internet. That's just where we're. That's the.

[Barry]

You said make a police report. These niggas.

[Mandy B]

No, no. See what I mean?

[Barry]

That's code they live by.

[Ja]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

I mean, I already told y', all, I don't live by no street code. I'm snitching.

[Barry]

You're civilian.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, I don't live by.

[Barry]

No, I'm civilian, too.

[Ja]

Protecting y'. All.

[Barry]

What the subway? Say if you see something, say something.

[Ja]

Hell, yeah, I saw that.

[Barry]

Yeah, that was up.

[Ja]

Yeah, I'm in the airport, and you just put your bag down and then skadaddle down the street, and I'm just looking at Double B on the. Yeah, no, I'm saying, hey, him right there in the hoodie just ran off with this. Like.

[Mandy B]

I just think it's getting to a nasty place.

[Barry]

Yes.

[Mandy B]

And so to me, to an unsafe place.

[Ja]

Oh, yeah.

[Mandy B]

To where it gets a little. It gets a little sticky. And I don't know. These are. These are people that have histories of guns like these.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

This ain't like where Tip is from.

[Ja]

Yeah, Tip is not gonna play around with that, man.

[Mandy B]

I think that these are both very street people. So. To where we knew that Drake wasn't street.

[Ja]

It wasn't gonna happen, right? It wasn't gonna happen.

[Mandy B]

Street street niggas in hip hop. And I just don't want to see it get there.

[Ja]

Yeah. I mean, I hope it can be contained, but we know we can't. No one can stop 50. And so like you said, this is going to keep going on. Now the question is, how long is it going to be before TI Sees that?

[Mandy B]

Man, all I know is these rooms get smaller and smaller. I run into. Goddamn. I think every week I see TI out here in these streets.

[Ja]

Easy to find in Atlanta.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, he be out 50, maybe not so much. But I do think it's interesting where 50 is doing so much creatively with the studios he's building, with the films and things he makes. It sucks that every time we do, as a community talk about 50, it's him coming after ja, it's him coming after Jim, it's him coming after other black creatives. And it's like, it's hard to keep rooting for him. And the things. Like you said, he's trying to bring down so many of our lives.

[Ja]

Shitting on everybody.

[Mandy B]

He's shitting on everybody.

[Barry]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Mandy, do you think because you said, like, you could see ti. Do you think because 50 is not around, that's what.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, he's moving, like academics. Like 50 people. You don't really run into 50. 50 don't go to award shows. 50 don't be at these parties. 50 don't be in people's faces. For real.

[Trev]

For real.

[Mandy B]

And at the end of the day, a lot of the niggas he do surround himself with are begging for checks. Like, it's the actors, it's the men that are like, keep me in the power universe.

[Barry]

But, Mandy, there was a time, right? There was a time, though, when 50 was walking around, whatever.

[Mandy B]

Like, he doesn't do that anymore.

[Barry]

No, because he's. He shouldn't have to.

[Mandy B]

And he shouldn't have to. And so it allows him to have Twitter fingers. Yeah, it allows him to do that because at the end of the day, he don't run it. He don't really be outside with these. With these motherfuckers. That looks crazy.

[Barry]

The picture with his wife.

[Mandy B]

Stop showing us.

[Barry]

No, no, I'm just showing. What I'm looking at now is crazy. 150,000 people liked it.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Ja]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Barry]

That. Why is there not the silent protesting? I'm not liking that.

[Ja]

Oh, yeah. No. I mean, you know what it is, though?

[Mandy B]

It's not that they like the picture. They're liking.

The.

People are entertained.

[Ja]

Yeah, people are entertained.

[Mandy B]

And also, you liking a picture doesn't mean you agree with what's happening.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I don't even know what a like means anymore.

[Mandy B]

You said what?

[Jason Rodriguez]

I don't even know what a like means anymore. People are just, like, mindless.

[Barry]

Yeah, because it juifies your algorithm.

[Mandy B]

Well, no, no, no. Apparently, liking a photo means cheating nowadays. But we're not going to.

[Ja]

Well, that's. Well, that's the other part. It depends on what it is. Right?

[Mandy B]

Right.

[Ja]

People will post a news story about somebody getting shot tragically, and people will tap it in like it have millions of likes. And I'm pretty sure the people who liking it aren't all in the kkk. They liking it because they're saying, in that case, there's a protest. Yeah, if it's some titties and it's like, hey, nigga, why you liking them titties?

[Mandy B]

Why you liking them titties?

[Ja]

Cause everybody like titties.

[Mandy B]

That's what y' all like them white titties, man.

[Ja]

Women, child, y' all like them white titties.

[Mandy B]

During Black History Month, that's what we

[Jason Rodriguez]

call a bookend right there. Bookended it from the beginning to the end.

[Mandy B]

Enjoy this episode. Now, where we didn't get to it, this episode, I had a lovely class assembly with my classmates over on Patreon. So once a month, I get to talk to you guys. I get to hear your ignorance thoughts. We get to kind of do an episode together. And for the this is America topic, I genuinely asked the classmates, the classmates being y', all, but specifically the ones over on Patreon helping me fund this, do y' all care about the Epstein files? And so I'm really excited to share with you what that conversation sounded like, because I was very surprised to hear how much platforms within our ecosystem really aren't talking about them that much. And so where I thought maybe we were done with hearing about it because it's been happening so long. I'm excited for y' all to hear what the conversation was about the Epstein files. So stay tuned at the end of this episode to listen to our conversation and our kind of, you know, figuring out of what's really happening with these files.

[Ja]

Okay, I'm sorry I wasn't there. I got to make sure I'm at the next one.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, they was asking for you. They wanted to talk to you about your top 10. No skip list.

[Ja]

Yeah, yeah, I need to talk.

[Mandy B]

They wanted to. They wanted to confront you face to face.

[Ja]

Oh, yeah, I'm ready for that, too. I've been confronting people all week, so I might as well just keep it

[Mandy B]

rolling now if y' all want to be a part of the discord, talk about the episodes, give episode feedback, drop your ignorance. Join us over on Patreon. That's patreon.com. if you're listening to this episode and you want to watch the visual representation over here on our beautiful set, make sure you subscribe to our YouTube. You can catch it YouTube.com withmandyb. Also, follow us on socials electiveignorancepod. Over on the Instagram and you could just search Selective Ignorance over on the ticker talker. Anyways, guys, this is another episode of Selective Ignorance where curiosity lives, controversy thrives, and conversations matter. See you next week and stay tuned for some Epstein files talk with my classmates. See you guys next week. And I love my classmates as a whole. Do we care about the Epstein files?

[Jojo]

We care about.

[Trev]

We do.

[Ja]

We should.

[Mandy B]

We do.

I want the Epstein files to be Epstein trials. Because unless they're going to actually follow up with charges of anything.

So that's talk about it. That's my Europe.

Europe is doing shit with it. They're like, get that motherfucker out of here. Get his office rated. Do this, do that. And America is like, I think power banks in the fucking trench coat.

No, that didn't happen.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Connie.

[Mandy B]

Cookie.

America.

That's America right now with the Epstein files. We wanted them out, we got him out. What are you gonna do otherwise? You're repeatedly telling America, you're repeatedly telling women. You're repeatedly telling children, we don't give a shit about you. Your body is for our pleasure. It's for us to do whatever we want. Go deal with it. And especially as more and more of our autonomy. Over our fucking health, over our bodies, over the information that we choose to share about our bodies and our health. You got us fucked up. And then you want to complain about the birth rate? No, we not giving none of you pussy. You don't deserve it. Look how you continue to treat us. Look how you are going to continue to do us. What's the point of you breaking out the files if you're not taking these motherfuckers to court?

It's crazy because I had this conversation with Barry earlier and I 100% agree with what you said. But maybe I'm coming from a more defeatist standpoint because I have seen so many people not care about women. Our rights have been taken away. I do continue to see celebrities and influencers be accused of domestic violence and sexual assault and still continue to make millions and be platforms.

[Trev]

But also you.

[Mandy B]

A part of me. Wait, let me finish this. So a part of me when it comes to this conversation of the Epstein files, the same way we kind of got exhausted with the fucking Drake and Kendrick shit is to me, we've been talking about these Epstein files for pre pandemic. Almost like, I think, what, 2018? We were introduced, especially right after Harvey Weinstein and then getting into the MeToo movement. It's almost been six, seven years of talking about this shit. Mind you, we've Elected a president that is clearly all up through there. And so a part of me genuinely feels like this country that we grew up in is fucking a fraud. And what we think we can do and where we think we can make change in motion to see the reversal of Roe v. Wade, which I always reference, is like, bro, they really don't care about, like. And so Barry literally, verbatim, kind said everything you just said. And yes, justice is something we always want to see. But unfortunately, I have lost faith in this country specifically giving justice when it's due and where it's needed. Because, and I hate to say it, I know you brought up Tyra Banks. This country has now operated like a reality show, and it's laughable. And I think people. Oh, my God, people enjoy entertainment over real action. Because I think it's easier to laugh at what we're living in than really sit with the fact that all of our leaders are pedophiles. All of the people that we've put into position of power literally don't care about the rights of women, don't respect women, don't like black people, want to send away the immigrants that also help. I can't say build up this country because boys, they came for shaboozi, but. But they're a part of why America is America, right? And so, unfortunately, it's easier to just laugh at this shit and laugh at Trump and make this shit become like almost a reality series than really sit with the reality that these are our leaders. And so a part of me why I posed this question here is because we could talk about new pages being leaked and new people being accused of every single week for the rest of probably eternity. Right? But from an entertainment perspective, is it dawning? Do you guys want to hear it every week? And so I wanted to bring it specifically to the class assembly to see if this is some content that you want to hear me and the super producers dissect or not, because. Go ahead. Sup.

[Trev]

I think that a lot of people.

[Ja]

Things.

[Trev]

A lot of things that you said that you pointed out was. Was. Is.

[Ja]

Is right?

[Trev]

But at the same time, too, it's not just about just women's bodies and things of that. So Also.

[Ja]

Also, right?

[Trev]

These are children. These are babies who's being kidnapped. These are babies being abused, sexually abused and taken advantage of, whether it's being drugged. There's so. There's so many things about the files that. That's crazy in itself, right?

[Mandy B]

Oh, yeah. No, I think. I think Barry brought up that there's Literally a page where it says, somebody we don't know who ate a baby.

[Trev]

Yes.

[Ja]

And I was about to go there

[Trev]

and I'm talking about. They talking about. They're talking about stars.

[Mandy B]

I choose to swallow them.

[Trev]

Political leaders and things of that sort. Barry's like, not too much on me. Like, you know, Barry, you know, I

[Mandy B]

babysit the kids all down my throat. You know what I mean?

[Trev]

This here with the hard er, yo, I mean, I mean, you're still a African American, so you're still the hard er. But with that saying, though, I'm saying, right, African American. Yes.

[Mandy B]

African American during Black History Month. You gonna do me like that soon? I mean, hey, King, don't you dare repeat this it.

[Trev]

Because I. I will give you these bars. I will give you these bars because this is. This is what Soup and Barry does.

[Barry]

Oh, no, it's. It's definitely happening.

[Mandy B]

African American.

[Barry]

That was. God, that's classic.

[Trev]

I mean, I mean, yo, I still got them, you know, Mandy just refused to put me up. But anyway, that's another conversation. So I'm just saying. I'm just saying. But still in a serious note. Note in the conversation about. Because I work at a domestic violence shelter and I deal with these women every single day, right? And I'm looking at these kids and some of these kids, they're living in conditions, they're dealing with conditions I could imagine. I can't. Let me rephrase that. I can't imagine my kids being kidnapped, being in spaces where they're being malnourished, mistreated and all those other things. It just, just, it goes too crazy, right?

[Mandy B]

And then sold off on the Internet as a cabinet.

[Trev]

And, and then, and then on top of that, look at it even. Like, I remember when I was a kid, I was like, what the fuck do they do with these pictures? When I was in grade school. So now, now when you see.

[Mandy B]

Wait, wait, wait. That was something new today. Can y' all leave that? Right, but, but the company that used to take our school picture.

[Trev]

But like I said, like I said, said with my brain and me being, me being in the creators creative space, I can take it way darker than that. But, but the point that I'm saying is that we need. As much as the Epstein files is relevant, it should be very, very relevant because okay, these are these people's kids. These are people's children. And it's still going on. So that needs to be cracked down. That needs to be investigated. That needs to be, be like, like, who's it? Prince Prince, whatever, that just recently got arrested. Like, your what?

[Mandy B]

Okay, I. I appreciate the feedback. We gonna dive into the Epstein files more. Trev will let you talk and then we'll get into music and then I'll send y' all on your way on this Friday evening. Go ahead, Trev.

[Jojo]

I mean, I was just gonna say, yeah, I think we all. We all care about it.

[Mandy B]

Would it be entertaining for you to listen to it every week, though? You know what I mean?

[Jojo]

Yeah. I don't know if every podcast needs to be going over it all the time.

[Mandy B]

Okay.

[Jojo]

I mean, that's just me. I'm just one person. But I mean, I agree with everything everybody's been saying. And I was just talking to my boy James at lunch today, and he was like, you know, what's going to happen? You know, is anything going to happen with this? And I'm like, well, I mean, under nor normal circumstances. Yeah. But, you know, the executive branch is the ones who are supposed to enforce the laws and the whole. When all of them, you know, when they don't. Aren't doing their job unless the orange one upstairs says, do it then. And especially when he's in it then, you know, there's just. There's no enforcement arm even judges can say whatever they want. The Congress can do, but the people who's supposed to execute the laws are the ones who are. Who's captured and said no.

[Mandy B]

And I will say jazz. Jazz in the chat just said that none of the pause that she listens to brings it up. And I'll be honest to say, from a very ignorant scope, brilliant idiots does from a more educated lens, higher learning does. But overall, the pods I listen to, I agree. Aren't really bringing it up unless it reach reaches like pop culture. But to know that the amount of pages, the amount of details, I. I don't. I don't feel like many people within our culture are yet dissecting it to the point that that's bringing the awareness.

[Jojo]

Yeah. It's super heavy to be bringing up.

[Mandy B]

It is heavy. When you want to laugh.

[Jojo]

It's.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Jojo]

And it's terrible. But yeah.

[Mandy B]

I mean, well, it can feel like trauma porn.

Yeah.

Where it's like you get so much of it. The only thing I did want to say because I. I've been watching a lot of documentaries, Jojo. You know, there's a. There's a common thing where they keep calling the videos and the pictures of children in the. These sexual environments child porn. It's called the proper legal name that the FBI uses is child abuse sexual material because porn then insinuates that they're willing participants and these are underage children. I don't give a shit if you're 16, you cannot consent like you are still a child. So I just want to like, you know, throw that out there for y'.

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[Jason Rodriguez]

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[Mandy B]

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