Selective Ignorance: Ep. 55 | Beers, Buckets & Booger Sugar

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Decisions, Decisions: Selective Ignorance: Ep. 55 | Beers, Buckets & Booger Sugar"

Podcast: Decisions, Decisions (Black Effect Podcast Network & iHeartPodcasts)
Hosts: Mandii B (with producers A King & Jason Jolie)
Date: March 17, 2026
Episode: Ep. 55 – Beers, Buckets & Booger Sugar

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Episode Overview

This lively St. Patrick’s Day episode centers on the collision of culture, sports, and controversy. The crew—led by Mandii B and joined by super producers A King and Jason Jolie—bring their signature unfiltered, comedic, and nuanced commentary to current headlines, with a special focus on:

• The NBA's cancellation of "Magic City Monday" at an Atlanta Hawks game
• Bam Adebayo’s controversial 83-point performance
• Celebrity accountability versus hypocrisy (from Jay Z's role as a Black business leader to athletes and legal challenges)
• The Dwight Howard and Amy Luciana divorce and internet spectacle
• Black masculinity, bisexuality, and toxic double standards

The episode weaves personal anecdotes, cultural critiques, and historical insights, all wrapped in candid humor for a fresh perspective on issues where sports, sexuality, race, and social expectations overlap.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. St. Patrick’s Day & Irish-Caribbean Connections

[10:00 – 20:00]

• The hosts, in festive spirit and costumes, reflect on the complicated origins of St. Patrick’s Day, including the rarely-discussed fact that St. Patrick was British and enslaved by Irish raiders ([12:00]).
• A King highlights the Irish-Caribbean connection: “The Irish Caribbean connection stems from the 17th century forced transportation of Irish prisoners, indentured servants and settlers to the islands under British rule.” ([16:58])
• Humorous banter about Irish and Caribbean food, stereotypes (shepherd's pie, Guinness punch), and embracing traditions.
• Memorable quote:

  “I can’t think of anything more American than adopting a holiday for capitalism and debauchery.” — Jason Jolie [13:54]

2. Blackness, Culture, and Representation

[20:00 – 28:00]

• Lighthearted discussion on biracial identity, “black Irish,” and cultural blending in Atlanta.
• Mandii B draws parallels between celebrations like St. Patrick’s Day and Juneteenth, underlining the evolution of ethnic identity and commercialization ([13:40]).

3. Barber Shop Culture: Content Without Consent

[23:27 – 30:00]

• Jason tells a story about his barber recording his haircut for social media content, raising issues about privacy and payment:

  “You asking me $65 for this haircut, and you wanna just make content and take your likeness, nigga.” — Jason Jolie [24:49]

• Discussion expands to the broader trend of unsolicited “before/after” content in Black beauty/barbershop spaces.

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4. Main Topic: Magic City Night NBA Controversy

[30:32 – 49:00]

• The planned “Magic City Monday” collaboration between Atlanta’s strip club Magic City and the Hawks was abruptly canceled, sparking debates on culture, branding, and women’s agency.
• NBA and community leaders cited “family branding” and, in some circles, anti-trafficking advocacy as justification, but the hosts see hypocrisy:
  • Alcohol brands are promoted with no pushback, but partnerships with adult entertainment confront unique stigma ([32:29]).
  • Ticket holders weren't offered refunds after the cancellation, despite ticket prices being inflated ([34:18]).
• Mandii notes:

  “It was just another way that I realized that women are just not celebrated in any of their life decisions…As a sexually liberated being, you’re looked at as the most disgusting, most vile person…” ([32:47])

Key Quotes:

• “To put that on Magic City, a legal business, is a legal business…Don’t use Jesus as a spiritual shield for you to practice your ism, your misogyny…” — Jason Jolie ([37:34])
• “Having even this adult-centered night…what’s the problem?” — Mandii B ([36:46])
• On hypocrisy: NBA celebrates sex and alcohol behind the scenes but resists public celebration of women in sex work.

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5. The Bam Adebayo 83-Point Game Debate

[51:55 – 64:00]

• Debates rage about the sportsmanship and integrity of keeping Bam in the game to “chase” a scoring record during a blowout.
• Criticism arises partly because of Kobe Bryant’s iconic 81-point legacy—suggesting emotional attachments impact perceptions of fairness.

  “A sin is a sin. If you’re that Christian, you’re that about Jesus. Sex is weighed differently in this society.” — Jason Jolie ([50:17])

• Hosts note a shift in basketball culture, “stat padding” debates, and the role of gambling and tanking.

Highlights:

• “I don’t think this much criticism comes from a Curry. I think also…the fact that a lot of people [don’t know Bam], he’s not even their highest scorer…” — Mandii B ([56:09])
• “Records are meant to be broken” but emotional attachments and clout affect the reactions.

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6. Athlete Accountability, Crime, and Misogyny

[64:00 – 83:00]

• Discussion shifts to double standards and athlete behavior off the court/field:
  • The legal troubles of James Pierce Jr. (aggravated battery, resisting arrest, etc).
  • The case of Patrick Beverley, his family violence arrest, and the issue of parental/familial discipline within the Black community.
  • Mandii points to how violence or deadbeat behavior (by men like Anthony Edwards, Dr. Dre) is socially excused, while sexual identity (particularly male bisexuality) is demonized.

Notable Exchange:

• “To me, we’re actively criminalizing black men for being bisexual more than for being abusers or cheaters.” — Mandii B ([119:13])

• Societal hypocrisy: Black male athletes’ misogyny/violence is tolerated so long as they’re talented, while their sexual identities are policed.

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7. Jay Z, Capitalism & Black Exceptionalism

[93:25 – 107:05]

• The show analyzes a newly-released 2014 Epstein-related email, which accused Jay Z of distracting “the group that should be in the streets”—implying he’s used as a “puppet” by white power brokers (in reference to Nets/Barclays and NFL deals).
• Hosts push back on simplifications of “puppet” or “sellout,” noting Jay’s complicated place between community uplift and global capitalism.
  • “Why do we get to a point where, when someone finally makes it into certain rooms…now we gotta view them as a sellout?” — Mandii B ([100:09])
  • “You can want to be in the room, but…you can be critiqued for things along the way…” — Jason Jolie ([102:13])

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8. “Cokegate” – Dwight Howard & Amy Luciana’s Divorce Spectacle

[108:06 – 123:10]

• Review of the internet drama: Dwight’s ex, Amy, livestreams herself upset with a visible bag of cocaine, blaming Dwight for their marriage woes; family feuds, CPS involvement, and internet clapbacks ensue.

• The hosts zero in on public (and particularly Black) attitudes about bisexual men versus substance abuse or other “sins.”

  • “We’ll let a man be a cheater. We’ll let a man be violent. But heaven forbid you like dick, you are worse than all those people…in a relationship. Why are we criminalizing black men for this section?” — Mandii B ([119:13])

• Critique of Claudia Jordan’s comments that Dwight Howard “shouldn’t marry a woman” because of his sexuality:

  • “It is very tasteless for me and for anyone to speak about whether a man should be married to a woman based on their sexual preference…” — Mandii B ([112:31])

• Contextualizing the shaming of Black male sexuality, toxic religious constructs, and the need for more honest conversations about desire and orientation.

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Memorable Moments

• Barbershop Privacy Rant:
  “You asking me $65 for this haircut, and you wanna just make content and take your likeness, nigga.” — Jason Jolie [24:49]

• Magic City Critique:
  “It was just another way that I realized that women are just not celebrated in any of their life decisions.” — Mandii B [32:47]

• Jay Z as "Puppet":
  “This is a white man talking about some foolishness he doesn’t even know what he’s talking about…” — Jason Jolie [96:13]

• Bisexual Stigma:
  “We criminalize black men for being bisexual, more than for being a cheater or an abuser…” — Mandii B [119:13]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• St. Patrick’s Day, Irish-Caribbean History: 10:00–20:00
• Barber Shop Content without Consent: 23:27–30:00
• Magic City Night NBA Controversy: 30:32–49:00
• Bam Adebayo’s 83-point Game: 51:55–64:00
• Accountability, Athlete Crime & Misogyny: 64:00–83:00
• Jay Z/Epstein/Capitalism Discussion: 93:25–107:05
• Dwight Howard Divorce + Sexuality & Double Standards: 108:06–123:10

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Tone & Style

The episode is a seamless blend of humor, informality, and socio-political critique. The hosts are unafraid to challenge pop culture narratives, expose double standards, and interrogate their own community’s beliefs. There is a candid, sometimes confrontational approach to sensitive topics (such as male bisexuality, patriarchy, and intra-community violence) that reflects both vulnerability and incisiveness.

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Summary Takeaways

• The banning of Magic City Night stands as a case study in America’s selective morality and ongoing struggle to respect Black women’s agency and sexual liberation.
• Outrage over Bam Adebayo’s historic game reveals society’s emotional attachments impacting ideas about merit and legacy.
• Black exceptionalism brings both celebration and skepticism, particularly when Black leaders achieve capitalist success: “damned if you do, damned if you don’t.”
• Issues of familial violence, absentee fathers, and toxic masculinity in and outside the Black community require more honest, less punitive conversations.
• The public’s obsession with outing or shaming Black male sexuality continues to overshadow deeper, more urgent family and community health challenges.

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“We gotta make changes about how we’re raising, upbringing, and communicating with each other.”
— Mandii B [90:22]

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[Mandy B.]

Hey guys. Welcome to another episode of Selective Ignorance. However, before we get to this week's episode, I want to remind you guys to purchase this, my book, no Holes Barred, a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power. So feel free to go to your local bookstores, preferably queer owned, black owned or woman owned, to support them, but also just click the button on Amazon, Barnes and Nobles or wherever you read your books. Again, that is no holds Barred, a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power written by yours truly and my co host of the Decisions Decisions podcast, Wheezy. Make sure y' all get that. Now let's get to this week's episode. This is Mandy B. Welcome to Selective Ignorance, a production of the Black Effect podcast network and iHeartRadio. Hey guys, you're tuned in to Selective Ignorance. I'm your host, Mandy B. And before we start this week's episode, I encourage you to help us be better, be great by heading on over to subscribe. And make sure you get all the notifications whenever we drop new episodes. But also rate us girl. Give us five stars. Get us cute up in the in the ranking in the charts. Okay? But also if you want to watch the full video, make sure you subscribe to my YouTube page. It's YouTube ITMandyB. And if you want to support the show head on over to Patreon. That's patreon.com mandyb where you get to listen to these episodes and and watch the episodes ad free on top of bonus content. So I vlog. I do all the things and it's a good time now, y'. All, this week on Selective Ignorance with Mandy B. And of course, my super producers. This is not a sports podcast, but we are sharing our opinions, y'. All. Was the NBA right to Knicks. The Magic City promotional night with the Hawks versus the Magic. Now, that game did take place last night, but we are finally sharing our thoughts of the cancellation of Atlanta culture being presented in an NBA arena and where we stand on it. And you'll be surprised to know that we all have a different take on this one. Now, what else is everyone so upset about? Apparently, records aren't meant to be broken. Bam. Adebayo scored 83 points against the Washington Wizards and people don't know whether to be mad at him and the coach or the defense of the Wizards. But apparently people are upset.

[Jason Jolie]

Fuck your couch, nigga.

[Mandy B.]

And bringing up Kobe Bryant in the mix, too. Real, real weird.

[A King]

Not really.

[Mandy B.]

But what's also weird is how people are now aligning Jay Z with being a puppet for Billionaire Row. He has been mentioned in the Epstein files and of course, in our good old segment, this is America. This is what we're talking about. Do we care? I'm a hustler, baby. If he knows what's going on? Does he know what's going on? Or is he just around as the token black guy? Because you always need one of those, right? Then we're getting into Patrick Beverly as well as James Pierce Jr. And all of the talk around charges being dropped for athletes.

[Jason Jolie]

Come on now, dawg.

[Mandy B.]

Do we care about women's safety out here in these streets? Come on, man. Yes. I'm asking that question because it's kind of weird. And then also what's weird is what's happening with Dwight Howard and his now ex wife, Amy Luciana. Dwight Howard filed for divorce this week. Amy Luciana got on the Internet with a big old bag of coke and we're discussing some takes around this relationship we have all. Damn. What was I about to say? You know what? Fuck it. We are here. Welcome, my super producers. Minus 1. We got the OG pod legend in the building. A king. Would it do?

[A King]

I wonder what? The gold, the ogre, the fiddle, the sweeter the truth, the tune.

[Jason Jolie]

What is that?

[A King]

Happy St. Patty's Day, yo.

[Mandy B.]

You are so. I feel like you're jealous that you not in a costume right now.

[A King]

The job is inside the sentence. Outside, that's this proverb.

[Jason Jolie]

Where did you develop this?

[A King]

The Irish proverb? That's like. That's lepry talk.

[Mandy B.]

Lepry talk.

[A King]

That's all.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, my goodness.

[Jason Jolie]

Website forum for leprechaun porn.

[A King]

If you're lucky to be Irish. You're lucky enough.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, okay. I don't know. I'm not gonna hold you though. Akin, you're doing way better than I could have. I sounded like a pirate this morning when I was pregnant. I was like,

[A King]

you sound better at doing patois than I do doing Irish.

[Mandy B.]

Nah, I ain't even gonna hold you. I'm actually Jamaican and still don't know patois American. Okay, y', all, unfortunately, journalism Jason is with them kids. There's some event happening in Jersey today that he said he gotta go tend to. And as much as I say fuck them kids, I'm gonna allow him to be a husband and a father because I still got two non husbands, not fathers over here on the pod. Well, I'm. Oh, what do you mean, oh, well? Is that something I don't know?

[Jason Jolie]

No, no, no. I'm childless. I'm childless with all the parental advice

[Mandy B.]

now, y', all, that voice is my guy, the king of headlines, Jason Jolie.

[Jason Jolie]

Pop blessing all the yap niggas.

[Mandy B.]

You were supposed to do that in an Irish accent.

[A King]

Pod blessings.

[Jason Jolie]

I don't think I ever.

[A King]

They don't say, Nicole, am I Irish? The yapni.

[Jason Jolie]

The yap nigger.

[A King]

No.

[Mandy B.]

Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait. Only because I just found out there were black Russians. Are there not black Irish black.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's n. Everywhere.

[A King]

They were black Germans. Those are the German. Listen, we gonna. We wanna do a history course in this planet.

[Jason Jolie]

Jamal o'. Sullivan Facts. Jamal o' Sullivan Everywhere facts.

[Mandy B.]

Okee. Really?

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah, yeah, Chief O. Yeah. Laphonzo o' Shaughnessy is out there somewhere. Is out there doing something. O' Shaughnessy's crazy. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's out there somewhere doing something. I don't know.

[Mandy B.]

Now these don't really. These kind of make my.

[Jason Jolie]

I was like, can you see through those?

[Mandy B.]

They green as fuck.

[Jason Jolie]

They don't.

[A King]

They look dope as fuck.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, but they're green as fuck. Y' all have glasses on again if you want to watch the video of this. Me and Ja are dressed as leprechauns.

[Jason Jolie]

I was coerced. I mean, I was coerced, by the

[Mandy B.]

way, if this isn't the most biracial thing ever. So I come in and want us to dress like leprechauns. And Jai's like, but Biggie day is today.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah, I'm trying to represent for Biggie Smalls, who's the illest.

[Mandy B.]

So I told him, you know, he has his cape open.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah, yeah, everybody, we gonna keep a real nigga. We gonna keep a real Irish O nigga. And we gonna motherfucking. We gonna represent Biggie Smalls, you know what I'm saying? We gonna tilt our buckled hat to the side like tip the king of the South. And you know what I'm saying? We gonna keep a real player in here.

[Mandy B.]

Now, I ain't gonna hold you. I forgot that it was like St. Patty's Day weekend this weekend until I saw all the.

[Jason Jolie]

The parade and all.

[Mandy B.]

Boy, do the whites come out. Oh, man, I didn't know Atlanta could be so white. Oh, man.

[Jason Jolie]

You know what the crazy part about it? I saw a bunch of niggas down there, too. I saw cheerleading teams and all kind of stuff.

[Mandy B.]

I'm like, we allowed to celebrate St. Patty's Day, right?

[Jason Jolie]

I mean, listen, we're supposed to be celebrating sinners. There's a possibility that sinners could win a bunch of Oscars tonight. And how the black people overcame the blood sucking Irish. And here we are dressed as the oppressor, as a colonizer.

[A King]

So we were slaves, too.

[Mandy B.]

So that's what I'm gonna get into. So do you know the backstory of St. Patty's Day?

[Jason Jolie]

I have no idea anything about St. Patrick's Day.

[Mandy B.]

So I looked it up, okay? And hopefully, you guys, now the day today is actually St. Paddy's Day. So if you're at work or you're around your friends, you could actually be like, ooh, let me tell you the history behind this thing, okay? Now here's the crazy thing. St. Patrick ain't even Irish.

[Jason Jolie]

Who is he, bitch?

[Mandy B.]

St. Patrick.

[A King]

He's a bitch.

[Jason Jolie]

St. Patrick. That's how I talk, by the way.

[A King]

By the way.

[Mandy B.]

By the way. Last week after potting, we went out to eat and they 86 a couple things, and I was like, bitch. And. Oh, yeah, I didn't realize, like, bitch is just a part of my vocabulary. Okay? Anywho, so St. Patrick was actually born in Great Britain, so St. Patrick, he's actually British, bruv. You ready? And at 16, Irish raiders kidnapped him and made him a shepherd slave.

[Jason Jolie]

Oh, you taking the piss, bro?

[Mandy B.]

Listen, now, after becoming a slave, the nigga actually did get to escape. And he then became a Christian missionary. Now hear me out. This is the crazy part. And he apparently did believe that slavery was a choice because he then decided, you know what? Let me go back to the place that enslaved me and preach. So he chose to go back to the country that actually enslaved him to preach the good gospel. Now, legend says he used the three leaf shamrock to explain the Christian trinity. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Now, for centuries, it was just a religious day in Ireland. And you want to know the crazy part about this? In Ireland, when it was celebrated, all the pubs were actually closed. Everything was closed. Oh, okay. Like, you know how, like, Brooklyn and shit be shutting down during, like, the Jewish holidays and all that? Ireland was actually shut down. You couldn't even go to a pub. So in the 1800s, though, the Irish immigrants in the US started huge parades to celebrate their identity. Kind of like what we're doing now with Juneteenth. And in cities like New York and Boston, they made it massive. And so now, pretty much Irish parade with American culture equals we gonna drink beer and we're green.

[Jason Jolie]

I can't think of anything more American than adopting a holiday for capitalism and debauchery.

[Mandy B.]

I mean, that's about his marriage, but also, I ain't even know, like, he was a slave.

[Jason Jolie]

So I definitely didn't know he was a slave.

[Mandy B.]

He was a slave and then became Christian and then wanted to preach the good gospel to the people who enslaved him.

[Jason Jolie]

He better than me. I'd have went back there with hellfire and Pitchforce. Burned that bitch down.

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[A King]

This is a selective ignorance podcast.

[Mandy B.]

Here we go.

[A King]

So the expectation for you listeners out there is to expect ignorance with a little bit of information, right? Okay, so I'm gonna lean into the Caribbean aspect of this. The Irish Caribbean connection stems from the 17th century Forced transportation of Irish prisoners, indentured servants and settlers to the islands like Montserrat, Barbados and Jamaica under British rule. British always doing things proud and beating their chest. But it's like y' all got a dark history as well and a big hand in all of this shit. And this was during the Cromwellian era. This history created a blend of cultures influencing surnames, music Food accents with up to 25% of Jamaicans claiming Irish ancestry. The one thing about the Irish, though, that I'm glad they didn't. That the Caribbean folks didn't adapt is pretzels. Like, the big pretzels. That's their thing, right?

[Mandy B.]

I ain't gonna hold you.

[A King]

Pretzels are.

[Mandy B.]

No, pretzels is German, ain't it? German.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah, I think pretzels is German.

[Mandy B.]

Look at you confusing the white country.

[A King]

Potato. They do potatoes.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah, I was gonna say, but they

[A King]

do a lot of potato.

[Mandy B.]

What does Irish do?

[Jason Jolie]

Potatoes.

[Mandy B.]

Sauerkraut, right? Shepherd's pie.

[A King]

Shepherd's pie.

[Jason Jolie]

Shepherd's pie. Yeah, shepherd's pie. Potatoes.

[Mandy B.]

Fix your face. Can I tell y'?

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[Mandy B.]

And maybe this is my mama's called Cassidy.

[A King]

That sound like constipation.

[Mandy B.]

I love shepherd's pie.

[Jason Jolie]

Oh, no, shepherd's pie is fine.

[Mandy B.]

It's a really broke person meal.

[Jason Jolie]

No, I'll do you one better.

[A King]

I will say that without knowing, you know, like, oh, wow, that was probably made from scrap shit.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah, yeah. Shepherd's pie.

[A King]

Like, oh, we're gonna take the potatoes, vegetables at the bottom, put some peas

[Mandy B.]

in, Then you put some ground beef, Then you put some mashed potatoes. And top that thing with some cheese.

[A King]

It's their version of lasagna.

[Mandy B.]

And bake it.

[A King]

It's their version of lasagna.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah, pretty much.

[Mandy B.]

White people lasagna know it's giving casserole. It's just a different casserole. It's in the casserole.

[Jason Jolie]

I'll tell you this. The shepherd's pie at Cheesecake Factory is delicious. How about Cheesecake Factory and Cheesecake Factory?

[A King]

Yo, Cheesecake Factory be having a lot of dope shit.

[Jason Jolie]

See, can we know?

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, well, they should have dope shit. It's only a fucking 45 page menu. Like they gonna have something.

[Jason Jolie]

If your culture ever invented anything, they selling it at Cheesecake Factory.

[Mandy B.]

Now. Other Irish dishes might is corned beef and cabbage.

[A King]

Yeah, we are just blending.

[Jason Jolie]

It was like. It was just all over the place. Wait, can you.

[Mandy B.]

Can you. Okay. Can you.

[Jason Jolie]

Corned beef and cabbage. Corned beef and cabbage could be all right.

[Mandy B.]

Bigger than mash.

[A King]

All that shit is not good for your gastrointestinal tract.

[Jason Jolie]

Oh, yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, Bailey's and whiskey. I mean, listen, I'm here for any celebration to dress in a costume.

[Jason Jolie]

Guinness.

[Mandy B.]

I like Guinness.

[A King]

You know, there's a. I'm a stout fan in the Caribbean. You Caribbean too? In the Caribbean there's a drink, right? My aunt told me. Cause I'M part Bajan myself.

[Jason Jolie]

Right.

[A King]

My aunt told me when I was young, she said, when you start dating girls, you're gonna drink this drink. You gotta take this.

[Jason Jolie]

Oh, shit. You talking about, oh, shit.

[Mandy B.]

You know Guinness and what?

[A King]

Guinness.

[Jason Jolie]

That was the first Tiger Bomb.

[A King]

Some carnation milk, a little bit. And eggs. Like, you crack the egg and that

[Jason Jolie]

sound like you gonna go.

[A King]

And you put it in the blend.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah, but that sounds like you gonna go get some pussy and fart all over yourself. Shark. The whole bed. Fuck up the whole cheeks. Like, no combination.

[A King]

You blend it in a blender and then you drink it. And it's supposed to. That's like the Honey pack of.

[Jason Jolie]

I think she was trying to keep you from getting pussy.

[Mandy B.]

I think she was trying to keep

[Jason Jolie]

you from getting somebody pregnant. She took.

[A King]

Old cribs would do shit like that. They be drinking all kind of concoctions.

[Mandy B.]

That sounds like bubble gut.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah, that sounds.

[Mandy B.]

I ain't even gonna hold you. That sounds cr. And it does say, of course yomi looked it up. It's a Caribbean Guinness punch. But you also add nutmeg and cinnamon and vanilla extract to that. That sounds like dessert.

[Advertiser/Announcer]

That don't sound like that.

[A King]

No, that's that. But. What did you put? I just put. No, you gotta put sex. You gotta eat Caribbean sex.

[Mandy B.]

Drink hard dick. Get it?

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A King]

Hard like Rottweiler.

[Mandy B.]

What is wrong with you? Hey, kick his own today, y'.

[Jason Jolie]

All.

[A King]

Yo, shout out to the Irish folks, man.

[Mandy B.]

Anyways, I do want to ask you, only because in terms of this culture, I know that there used to be a scary movie when I was growing up with a leprechaun that was real scary.

[Jason Jolie]

Oh, yeah, yeah. It was called the Leprechaun. Leprechaun. Yep. Classic Leprechaun was classic 90s movie.

[Mandy B.]

Classic. And y' all know I'm trying not to age this show. And then one of my favorite cereal growing up was Lucky Charms.

[Jason Jolie]

Absolutely.

[Mandy B.]

That's really all I know about this culture. And I don't. Is Lucky Charms Irish? No, that's American. It's General Mills. Right?

[Jason Jolie]

It's General Mills.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Jolie]

Irish.

[Mandy B.]

Do you remember? Wait, do you remember? Okay, this is gonna be only because commercials used to really do their big one with marketing.

[Jason Jolie]

Oh, yeah, yeah. In that time period.

[Mandy B.]

Do you remember the order of the marshmallows? Oh, no, no, no. Don't look it up. But there's a jingle to it.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah, it was.

[Advertiser/Announcer]

Damn.

[Mandy B.]

Damn.

[Jason Jolie]

Go ahead.

[Mandy B.]

Okay, I'm gonna start. Heart, stars, horseshoes, clovers, and balloons.

[Jason Jolie]

Yes, that. Yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Pots of gold and rainbows.

[A King]

Pot of gold.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, my God. Enemy. Red balloons. I think they say balloons twice if I'm not mistaken.

[Jason Jolie]

Damn, I haven't heard that shit in so long. You just took me too long.

[Mandy B.]

No, see, I took you to Tyler.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah, I know.

[A King]

That's why I'm like, what?

[Mandy B.]

By the way, I don't know if there's a little jingle.

[A King]

Well, make sure you sound right.

[Jason Jolie]

Make sure you do a jingle song.

[Mandy B.]

Horseshoes, clovers and balloons. You know, popsicles and rainbows.

[A King]

Irish folks.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, blue moons. Okay, it's blue moons, then red balloons.

[Jason Jolie]

Oh, red fuck rhyming with balloons.

[A King]

They have like the beards and no mustache. The Irish cats.

[Jason Jolie]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Seamus and them be out there.

[Mandy B.]

Okay.

[Jason Jolie]

By the way, with the naked upper,

[Mandy B.]

I do wanna shout out. I was just told that I do know in Irish. So shout out to Rory. I also had an ignorant thought. She was like, of course he's Irish. That's where the red hair comes from.

[Jason Jolie]

I was like, his name is Rory. Irish as fuck.

[Mandy B.]

Okay, but do all. Are all gingers Irish?

[A King]

I thought he was Dominican.

[Mandy B.]

All right.

[A King]

I thought he was Irish. I thought he was a gender.

[Jason Jolie]

I know black. I know black.

[Mandy B.]

Anyways, before we get into all of our sports topics this week, are there any other ignorant thoughts we got outside of being dressed like, I don't know.

[Jason Jolie]

Oh, yeah, I had a. So I went to go get a haircut that I planned on, that I planned on rocking today. I had a nice haircut that I went and got myself trimmed up for being shaggy. And then this nigga want me to come in here and dress eclectic.

[A King]

Don't worry.

[Jason Jolie]

So now I'm in here in my eclectic outfit.

[A King]

We got some barber essentials over here. You know what I mean?

[Jason Jolie]

Oh, true, true, true.

[A King]

You gonna get that freshery later on?

[Jason Jolie]

No, but. So look, so I understand that nowadays, everybody trying to do their business, everybody wants to go viral, Everybody needs the WiFi to help prop up the economy. I understand that. But I get to the barbershop, I sit in a chair. I'm not even paying attention to nothing. And, you know, he asked me what I want to do.

[A King]

Boom.

[Jason Jolie]

I give him the instructions. Cool. He turns around, he started talking real loud. I'm like, why is this talking so loud all of a sudden? I turn around, this is on live stream in my haircut. No, this is live. So I'm like. At first I'm looking, I'm like, you're not even going to Ask me if you. If I said, that means it's free, right? That's what. I'm on him now. I'm on him. I'm like, oh, so we getting money today? Like, what you mean, we getting money money? Yeah. What you mean is, I said, you got your. You got your live stream up right here. We getting money today? Or what's. What's going on? Oh, no, no. You know, I'm just trying to get my content, all right? Yeah, you're trying to get your content.

[A King]

When was you going, you gonna make a reduction in that fee?

[Jason Jolie]

What? Was you gonna say something to me?

[A King]

You gonna make that reduction in that fee?

[Jason Jolie]

That barber? Yeah, yeah. Like, bro, what are you talking about? You asking me $65 for this haircut, and you wanna just make content and

[A King]

he wanna take your likeness, nigga.

[Jason Jolie]

What?

[Mandy B.]

Like, I didn't even think that. Men deal with that too.

[Jason Jolie]

But, yeah, it never happened to me. That was the first time it ever happened to me. And I was like, this nigga not even gonna say nothing. He just gonna start.

[Mandy B.]

Okay, okay. You know I love you.

[Jason Jolie]

Sure.

[Mandy B.]

How. How scruffy. Cause the only content I see with men is when they go in looking real bad and then they come out looking real.

[Jason Jolie]

Listen, I had picked.

[Mandy B.]

But, like, how bad was that?

[Jason Jolie]

No, I looked crazy. I had picked my whole shit out. So, like, it was like I looked like I was from the 1960s.

[Mandy B.]

She was about to hit you with that before and after and go viral.

[Jason Jolie]

Was all over the place. He was like, the. I'm like, ho, ho, ho, what we doing?

[Mandy B.]

I'm not gonna lie. That's why he put that camera on. He said, I need y' all to watch me make.

[Jason Jolie]

But it got worse. So I'm on him about this. Oh, I'm gonna chill out. I'm gonna chill out. I'm gonna chill out. I turned around at one point, the had two viewers in the live. He talking to people about, hey, Tony, come down here. I'm like, don't nobody. Nobody's watching this. My guy, like, nobody's watching this. Turn his camera off. But then he tries to hit me with the Steve Harvey.

[Mandy B.]

What's the Steve.

[Jason Jolie]

He pull out. He pull out the. The 90 degree angle piece of plastic, pull out the little. His little spray bottle and tries to

[A King]

hit me with the enhancements.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah, with the little. I was like, oh, my.

[A King]

Hold on, Wait, wait, I got many.

[Jason Jolie]

You violated multiple levels. Yeah, he tried to Beijing me out.

[A King]

Now, was it liquid or with powder?

[Jason Jolie]

It was liquid.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, no.

[Jason Jolie]

I watched all that. As soon as you. The first. I was like, whoa, whoa, nah, nah. I got your hairline. Like, nigga, I have a hairline. My shit is not. You trying to trey young me now, like, my nigga. Like, just line me up and let me go about my business. But he tried it. I felt a type of way about it.

[Mandy B.]

Wait, the Beijing is not something that y' all have to actually ask for.

[Jason Jolie]

He supposed to ask for. Or he's supposed to at least ask you. Hey, do you do wooty wooty woot? They could just pull out and just start going like, whoa.

[A King]

So this is your normal barber, or you just went so far.

[Jason Jolie]

This is a guy. So I was cutting my own hair for a long time. Cause I was just tired of barbers. Of course, about two months ago, I found his goud. He cut me real quick on, like, the last minute, and it was a decent cut. Cool. I'll rock with you. So this is the third time I sat in his chair.

[A King]

Oh. Cause he's new.

[Mandy B.]

Heard him.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah, yeah. He's new enough, right?

[A King]

Like, they supposed to ask you. Like, my barber shot the goose. He doesn't do the. There's a difference between the wet and the dry.

[Jason Jolie]

There's a dry.

[A King]

Yeah, there's a dry spray powder, right. They only use it for enhancements.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, wait. The one that looks like it's coming out of a spray paint.

[A King]

Right. But it depends on how they using it. Airbrush, right. You could get a lineup, and they'll just hit enough with. And it's just for when you walk out on the walkout. But the liquid joint, now, that's a different thing because they have to spray a lot of it so it could stay.

[Jason Jolie]

You're right.

[A King]

And it's gonna wash.

[Jason Jolie]

It's gonna wash off the substance. I'm like, bro, what the.

[A King]

And then you might be allergic. You might be hypoallergenic.

[Jason Jolie]

I could be anything.

[A King]

Yeah.

[Jason Jolie]

You're not gonna ask no questions. Do you mind?

[Mandy B.]

It.

[A King]

They supposed to ask you, yo, do you mind if I put this. They ask you about alcohol. Yo, you want some alcohol?

[Mandy B.]

I ain't gonna hold you.

[A King]

That's crazy, bro.

[Mandy B.]

If a nigga spend the night. Oh, and shit is on my pillows.

[Jason Jolie]

You gonna be tight.

[A King]

You gonna be tight. If you like white sheets.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, I don't even think, like, I would be so upset by that. Like, if a nigga's hair started.

[Jason Jolie]

Hairline is just hair started wiping off.

[A King]

Can you imagine after Mandy session, all that sweat. And then, yo, it went from high. What's the highest to lowest. It went from highest to lowest quick.

[Mandy B.]

That shit is crazy.

[Jason Jolie]

Niggas said you done got poker in your booty and all kind of you wear.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A King]

But. But the crazy thing, Manny. The thing is, too, is, like, look, if. If he comes to your crib right after the haircut with the Beijing, oh, you better have dark sheets.

[Jason Jolie]

He might not even get a shot then, cuz. You, man, you gonna look at this and be like, what is that in your.

[Mandy B.]

Like, why you not even that dried up? And I'm calling you Carlos Boozer.

[A King]

Yo, Carlos Boozer is crazy.

[Jason Jolie]

They gonna like that one in the comments because they was real excited about, you know, me knowing Carlos.

[Mandy B.]

So excited about that, I was like,

[Jason Jolie]

they thought you didn't do this.

[Mandy B.]

For real.

[Jason Jolie]

They thought you did.

[Mandy B.]

Y' all know where full court pumps came from?

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah. No, they didn't.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, yeah. I forgot every now and then has been.

[Jason Jolie]

Oh, he did?

[Mandy B.]

Yep.

[Jason Jolie]

Yep.

[Mandy B.]

Jaylen Brown been with the. That nigga's hair was wiping off on goddamn jerseys. That's like. That's crazy. That's a little crazy.

[A King]

I'm not gonna hold Trayon.

[Mandy B.]

Come on, man. Come on, man. All right, well, let's get into it. Let's get into. I'm glad that you did wipe that shit off. Cause I ain't gonna hold you. I would've sent y'. All.

[Jason Jolie]

Well, the content creation was crazy off camera today. Like, what are we doing right now?

[A King]

So, Mandy, just so. Just to add this, too. Most barbers now. Not all, but a lot of them, I would say over the last five years, they've taken the idea of putting ring cameras and ring lights in there establishment. Like the big for content. Some of them do it the right way. Right Post before and after. Some of them don't. In your case. Yeah. So that is a thing now.

[Jason Jolie]

And to me, all of those are supposed to be set up ahead of time. You're supposed.

[A King]

I'm about to come get a cut.

[Jason Jolie]

All right, cool. Can I record this whole thing?

[A King]

We get hot towel treatments.

[Mandy B.]

Do y' all say yes when they ask, can I record y'? All?

[A King]

Oh, yeah.

[Mandy B.]

For mine.

[Jason Jolie]

It's never happened to me before. This is literally the first time I've ever been recorded at a barber.

[A King]

My barber and the girl who break my hair. They'll do before and after. And they do it from the top.

[Jason Jolie]

Okay.

[A King]

And it's all discussed before. It's not. Whatever.

[Jason Jolie]

Right? Yeah.

[A King]

They do it the right way.

[Mandy B.]

Very, very rarely do I say yes. Especially if I'm a paying customer.

[A King]

But these are people you're familiar with.

[Mandy B.]

If I'm paying. If I'm paying. No, like the person that's been doing my blah now for five years. Yeah, yeah, you got it.

[A King]

Cause you got a rapport with her.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

And she done kept my price. Her price from five years ago.

[Jason Jolie]

Cause inflation went up.

[Mandy B.]

Yesterday's price is not today's price. And she kept it. So that works out. But for the most part, if I'm a paying customer. No, Right.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Do not before and after me, baby. What are we talking about?

[A King]

No Beijing wearers.

[Mandy B.]

Anyways, before and after, technically, we spoke about before the cancellation of Magic City Night with the Orlando Magic versus the Hawks. And we are now in the after part of that because they have literally one week before the game took place, which was this past Monday, they canceled it.

[Jason Jolie]

So clownery.

[Mandy B.]

Okay, you say clownery. I do want to share something that the ajc, in terms of how they explained why they nixed it following the NBA's decision to cancel Magic City Monday, the AJC has invited the Atlanta community to sit with something deeper in their collective. They work as anti trafficking advocates and they've been involved in countless cases where traffickers groomed, recorded or forced women to work at strip clubs and took all of the money that those women earned. So here is the invitation that the AJC put it to the Hawks, to the NBA, to city leaders, and to anyone who found themselves thinking about these questions. We invite you into this conversation. We want to work together, learn from another, and search for real solutions to address the systems that allow exploitation to flourish. Now, really interesting because during our conversations, the idea of sex trafficking wasn't really brought to our attention. I'm not sure in what space this became the reasoning that the NBA nixed it as much as they just kept leaning into the fact that this is a family brand now. Ironically and hilariously enough, the same week there was a Crown Royal night that was promoted. And so of course, the Internet also compared the two. Like, are we also enticing children to drink alcohol and make it seem like,

[Jason Jolie]

you know, it's cool and fun and sexy?

[Mandy B.]

It's cool and fun and sexy and hot. You are, I will say you are where I sat with this. It was just another way that I realized that women are just not celebrated in any of their life decisions.

[Jason Jolie]

Damn if you do. Damn if you don't.

[Mandy B.]

As a sexually liberated being, you're looked at as the most disgusting, most vile person and that there is no reason to Celebrate you. And so I know that we leaned into the Magic City wings in the kitchen. I know that we leaned into even the performance element of TI Which TI still did perform and is performing for halftime. But I was just like, wow, this caused such a stir. Mind you, Luke, the white boy and Al Horford, y' all n weren't even gonna be playing at all. I don't even know why y' all had to speak to.

[Jason Jolie]

Had no business talking about nothing.

[Mandy B.]

But it really like heavily weighed with me that I was like, damn, damned if you do, damned if you don't. But also like, a sexually liberated woman is not one to celebrate. A woman who chooses this path is not celebrated ironically in the same league and amongst the powerful men who are deviantly led by sex, led by lust. I will say my opinion on them actually canceling this. The reason why I thought it was terrible is only because they weren't refunding tickets. So a lot of people bought these at an accelerated rate, right? Compared to what, baby? You could get Hawks tickets for the Lolo.

[Jason Jolie]

For the Lolo.

[Mandy B.]

So like basically where you could honestly go to a game for $30. Those same $30 tickets were going for 200 plus.

[Jason Jolie]

Yep.

[Mandy B.]

They didn't issue refunds. And for me, they also let people know a week before, like people have travel plans. People were flying in for this.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah, this was gonna be a thing.

[Mandy B.]

This was gonna be a huge thing. Now I'm mad that they canceled it because again, I've been seeing NBA dancers with they tits and ass in my face since I was a young one. I just came on here talking about All Star Weekend, how it's a part of the thing and I want the sexy girls on the court. So this is just like, eh, it's leaning hypocritical to me. I'm curious to know Yalls thoughts.

[Jason Jolie]

I got a problem with this on multiple levels. Like I'm not even the canceling of

[Mandy B.]

it or the throwing of it.

[Jason Jolie]

The canceling or the throwing of.

[Mandy B.]

Of this night. What? Where do you.

[Jason Jolie]

Oh no, I have a problem with the canceling of it. I have a problem with the canceling of it. Before I say anything else, I'll say that I'm never gonna rock with the. Whatever the conservative Christian point of view is, I'm never gonna rock with that period.

[Mandy B.]

Just let me know.

[Jason Jolie]

Just know off top, I'm on the other side of that. And like a lot of you niggas are participating in that. Like a lot of the reaction to this reminded me of when people See, like gay couples, gay sex scenes, gay kissing in movies. And how am I supposed to play this to my children? All my children, you got these men kissing men. And what am I supposed to say to my children? You could just stop being a punk ass parent and just tell your child, hey, niggas is gay. Some men like men, some women like women. Or people love. Whatever you want to give it as, you can keep it real simple.

[Mandy B.]

And in this case, some women decide to dance.

[Jason Jolie]

Or even if you don't want to go down that route, Magic City is a place for adults. The same way if your child wanted

[Mandy B.]

to get licorice, you gotta be 21

[Jason Jolie]

years old or they wanted to go see a R rated movie. You say, hey, you can't go see Die Hard 2 because that's an adult movie. When you get old enough, you can go, but it is a movie that has. Or what's in Magic City, People are dancing and having fun and drinking alcohol. It's not for you. It pays for adults. It's really that simple. So all of that, like, what am I supposed to tell my kids? Like that's some bullshit. Like y' all niggas are.

[Mandy B.]

I like that you say that too. Because what about the ones of us with no kids, right? Going to a basketball game is also an adult thing to do too, right? We go, we like to have fun, we drinking our beers, we eatin the bullshit food that we shouldn't eat. It's also, while there is a family friendly element to it, who the fuck is paying for the tickets? The adults. So having even this adult center night is what's the problem?

[Jason Jolie]

It's like, yeah, what are we talking about?

[Mandy B.]

You're catering to both people.

[Jason Jolie]

It was as sanitized as it could possibly be. It was just the word Magic City. Like there was nothing lewd or lurid about to happen. But you know, But a lot of these people carried this shit as if something, something wild was gonna happen or it was gonna be something that was gonna fuck up the kids or whatever the case is. But beyond that. But I have. The real problem I have with it is like this slick ass wording that they try to use to justify what they're talking about. They keep talking about exploitation and trafficking. Unless you have a specific charge that you're levying against Magic City or a woman that's coming for you, saying, this shouldn't be doing this because XYZ woman has come forth to say she's being trafficked, whatever the case is, to just put that on Magic City is a legal business.

[Mandy B.]

It is.

[Jason Jolie]

Magic City is not a speakeasy. It's not a juke joint. It's not some down low you have to find. If you know, you know this is a legal business that have been paying taxes and operating this city for 40 years. It's not a criminal enterprise. If you don't like the idea of strippers and sex and all of that, then that's fine. But your, your religious dogma doesn't have nothing to do with what businesses and corporations should be doing or what you should be doing with your own kids. Like, you make those decisions and those are your decisions. But to try to make it like Magic City should be looked into for like a RICO charge because they're trafficking women. Those are grown ass black women who made grown ass decisions about what they want to do. And your Christian conservative lens is so myopic that you think you can't even fathom the idea that a woman would want to do sex for money in your mind, that's unfathomable unless you're being tricked or being coerced in some kind of way. And it's like, no, black people aren't stupid. People can make their own decisions. And if these women decided to dance to make their money, that's their decision. They don't have nothing to do with you. Don't use Jesus as a spiritual shield for you to practice your ism, your, your misogyny or whatever your thing is. Like, to me that just makes me think that you don't think much of these black women because you think basically they're too stupid to do this. There's no way they would do this unless someone was making them a victim of something.

[Mandy B.]

And what I was looking up real quick too, Diddy's charges, because even in terms of trafficking, that was like a question. But like all these athletes done flew out some women for some pussy.

[Jason Jolie]

Zion been in two scammers like Zion

[Mandy B.]

been in two scans. But I think that that's the other conversation that is like, if we're really leaning on caring about these women, then why is there not in any sort of approach to making sure their players aren't in these establishments or making sure that the league is not attached or associated with any, mind you, fucking Paul George's wife now, which don't know how they made it. There was a stripper from Tootsies and he tried to offer her mad money for an abortion. They now got four kids and they're married. But a lot of these men are also married. To former dancers. They go and celebrate at these places.

[Jason Jolie]

Some of the most popular players in the league have been seen in strip clubs, taking pictures, in music videos in strip clubs, all kind of stuff.

[Mandy B.]

You have a person that now also is an analyst and speaks about the game who literally has a wing flavor named after him in this establishment.

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[Mandy B.]

gift when you subscribe at prolonlife.com iheartra that's prolonlife.com iheart what are your thoughts, King?

[A King]

I'm with it.

[Mandy B.]

You're with them? Canceling it?

[A King]

Yes. Can I explain why?

[Mandy B.]

Sure.

[A King]

Can I explain why? Why are we surprised in the society we live in today would accept that we have to play ball? Right? They accept everything else we gotta play, right? That they accept everything else that they can control. Right? Since we doing St. Patty's right, I'm gonna give you some Irish translations.

[Jason Jolie]

Oh shoot, Here we go. Here.

[A King]

They don't want the dark little ones. The dark little ones. They don't want them running up in a State Farm arena with the aura and energy of what Magic City represents.

[Jason Jolie]

They are anyway, though.

[Mandy B.]

You think I was about to say Atlanta Hawks games. When was the last time you've been to Hawks? When I tell you I see uteruses

[Jason Jolie]

and cheeks on a regular basis. I seen so many areolas at the

[Mandy B.]

Atlanta Hawks as they dress so inappropr like. Like if we really cared about this being a family friendly thing, now we about to sound real Old Joc.

[Jason Jolie]

That's fine.

[A King]

Let me tell you.

[Mandy B.]

State Farm arena would at least have a dress code because, baby, you are seeing coochie lips and ass cheeks for a regular Milwaukee Bucks game.

[Jason Jolie]

Right?

[A King]

A few things. The establishment.

[Mandy B.]

I'm listening.

[A King]

Is ran by a black man. No, no, no, no. I'm not talking about majesty. That's what I'm not talking about the NBA, the product.

[Mandy B.]

Okay?

[A King]

They have board of directors and they have all these other layers that advocate for these type of nights and whatever. I could see a scenario where somebody was in that boardroom like, yo, you know, but we could frame it differently. And it was probably some like, eh, I don't know from them.

[Mandy B.]

From them.

[A King]

And they said, all right. They greenlit it. But now possibly corporate sponsors who don't like the dark look through ones, right? They probably was like, yo, y' all really gonna do this shit? Yes. We know it's not the strip thing, but boom. It's the energy, it's the aura. It's what it represents. I know it's contradictory because of what you said. Right? But they all ultimately have the. When it comes to us and that shit, it's just we're never gonna be on the winning side of that conversation. So we shouldn't expect to. The fact that they said yes and was able to pull that back and say no, that's. Ha ha. We still run this shit, niggas.

[Jason Jolie]

I feel like they don't. I feel like they care about money more than they care about all of that. And this Magic City night was had already based on what you're talking about with the inflated tickets. They was about to make a bunch of money.

[A King]

And you know what would have been the headlines on Tuesday morning? That administration that's creating these conflicts abroad, they would have focused on that with some long ass Twitter feed.

[Mandy B.]

I mean, cool.

[Jason Jolie]

But then it's over then.

[Mandy B.]

I mean, but Trump got something to say about every motherfucking thing. Don't nobody give a fuck what the Orange Cheeto got to say.

[A King]

I think we do. Cause we know there's gonna be some outlandish ass shit.

[Jason Jolie]

I don't even think. I think that. Like Luke Cornette and Al Horford co signing it. Richard Jefferson talking about it on D1, making this song and his music video and all this.

[Mandy B.]

I was gonna try to call either Lou or D1 today. Ye.

[A King]

Not too much of D1.

[Jason Jolie]

All that shit is lame.

[A King]

I don't give a fuck.

[Mandy B.]

You know what's crazy? I literally hit D1 on. I was like, Are you serious? Cause he was doing so much.

[Jason Jolie]

Oh, he's very serious.

[Mandy B.]

I was like, are you really upset, like, with this? Like, I was concerned, but this. We think the opposite on everything, but I was like, there's no way you're really this upset about this night. But you're right. He put out, like, three songs. He kept making posts.

[Jason Jolie]

He's proud of himself.

[A King]

I'm just, like, so culturally. Do we lose anything by not having tonight?

[Jason Jolie]

No, I don't think it's. I don't think we lose anything.

[A King]

I'm just asking. Okay.

[Jason Jolie]

But no, I don't think it's a matter of. I don't think it's a win or loss thing for the culture.

[A King]

If Atlanta was a top seed team in the east, you think it would have. They would have did it. Yeah, I think so, too. I think if they were. I think if they're top three seed right now.

[Mandy B.]

This wasn't even a televised game, was it?

[Jason Jolie]

No, probably not. And also, let's be super clear about this. Like, this was conceptualized by a rich, rich, rich white woman. So this wasn't no, like, oh, niggas think they gonna pull the wool. Like, Jamie Gertz is the principal owner of the Atlanta Hawks. She produced the Magic City documentary, and she is white as white, white, white.

[A King]

Where's she from? Let me see.

[Jason Jolie]

So, like, this wasn't no shit where niggas was trying to pull the wool over the eyes.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, no. Look at that haircut.

[A King]

Okay. Jamie Gertz. Okay?

[Jason Jolie]

She like Pop Spice.

[Mandy B.]

She looks like she has three biracial kids.

[Jason Jolie]

Hold on.

[A King]

I don't want to.

[Jason Jolie]

A bunch of Jaylins, bro.

[Mandy B.]

She got a bunch of Jaylins. Yeah.

[Jason Jolie]

I don't know who her husband is.

[A King]

Tony Ressler.

[Mandy B.]

Okay.

[A King]

Okay. Yeah, it smells like money.

[Jason Jolie]

Her and the people at the Hawks, that conceptual, that really put this thing together, this is not no, like, nigga tree.

[A King]

Really?

[Mandy B.]

This isn't no nigga.

[Jason Jolie]

This is like, something that she genuinely doesn't feel like there's a problem with it. And so, like, again, I'm never gonna be on the side of the Christian conservative pov. Like, once that comes into play, I'm out. Because. Because all that shit is. Is a shield to just practice whatever ism you want to practice and hide behind Jesus and say, well, this is what Jesus. That's Jesus business. You ain't Jesus.

[A King]

Yo, Ms. Gertz. Hey, listen, we support you. And if you ever want to take us out to Magic City.

[Jason Jolie]

Cause you happily eat some wings with Jamie Gertz.

[A King]

You know what I'm saying? We'll happily accompany you. You know what I'm saying? They said she's $8 billion richer than Oprah Winfrey.

[Mandy B.]

Now, let me ask. Let me ask both of y' all a question. Let me ask both of y' all a question. What's up, A king specifically. Actually, since you have more of the conservative lens here.

[A King]

No.

[Jason Jolie]

At Turning Point, usa.

[Mandy B.]

I'm curious, if Magic City is something that you don't want celebrated, is there anything else that you feel like would cause this much outrage for being.

[A King]

Let me clarify. Not that I don't. I want it. I'm just saying let's look at it from the lens of the powers that be who are in control of this thing and why we should manage our expectations when it comes to these asks from those people. Because we. And you mentioned it, and when you was saying, you know, that you was for it, that the Christian conservative society

[Jason Jolie]

that we live in, that's what all of this.

[A King]

They not going.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah.

[A King]

So we shouldn't expect them to go.

[Jason Jolie]

No, but.

[A King]

Yeah, but they'll tolerate other shit.

[Jason Jolie]

But that's my problem, though, the hypocrisy of it. A sin is a sin is a sin. If you're that Christian, you're that. That about the Bible and you're that about Jesus. A sin is a sin is a sin. Technically, Jesus doesn't look at you opening your pussy lips any different than he looks at murder or stealing or lying. It's all the same. A sin is a sin, is a sin. All of it sends you to hell. So the idea that this sex is weighted differently so much weighted differently in this society where these people try to act as if sex is like the worst sin. If you're horny, if you're lusty, if you have any of that on you, like, that is the worst thing you can be. If you're a whore, that's the worst thing you can be.

[Mandy B.]

Wait, wait.

[Jason Jolie]

You can work your way back from all the other things.

[Mandy B.]

The term is Jezebel. Now. They don't want to have the Jezebel spirits right in the arena.

[Jason Jolie]

In the arena. No more. So it's like, okay, fine. So. But it's like y' all are treating sex as if it's very different. And the only thing that I can. I can. The only way I can rationalize that is through misogyny.

[Mandy B.]

Can I tell you that this reminds me right now, I think more people talked about this promotional night than they have any other game. This whole season 100%. This got more press than all star weekend did.

[Jason Jolie]

1000%.

[Mandy B.]

And this is where I'm like, is the game right now that bad? Because this past week, the conversation was about Bam Adebayo.

[Jason Jolie]

That was a transition.

[Mandy B.]

Scoring 83. First off, I've been doing this for a little bit. I know how to do a little transition.

[A King]

I was gonna do a little transition. I was gonna add some sin and shit like, yo, y' all nigga need to repent.

[Mandy B.]

Well, everyone been upset with this 83 point game.

[A King]

Yes.

[Mandy B.]

That Bam had. Now here is what the critics have focused on. I'm going to bring up what the critics have focused on. Then we'll share our thoughts and see where we fall on the mix. By the way, if you Google Bam,

[Jason Jolie]

Google has confetti falling over this thing

[Mandy B.]

when you look them up.

[Jason Jolie]

That's crazy.

[Mandy B.]

If you were literally at your desk right now, type Bam Adebayou. Cause a lot of you probably don't know who this nigga is. We'll get into that, too.

[Jason Jolie]

That's hard.

[Mandy B.]

I'm not gonna hold you.

[Jason Jolie]

He has confetti dropping with Google.

[Mandy B.]

Now here is the criticism. Where's banned from the fact that Adebayo stayed in the game during the blowout to chase the record that the Heat intentionally fouled and created extra possessions to help him score more. And that he attempted 43 free throws, which fueled accusations of stat padding. Now, head coach Eric Spoltra defended the decision and said that he apologizes to absolutely no one, period.

[Jason Jolie]

Shout out to Spo.

[Mandy B.]

Let me tell you, I was laid up with my n. And he was like. He was like, yo, did you see what Bam did tonight? And I was like, nah. He was like, if you had to guess how many points he scored, what do you bet, nigga? I said 38. Which is ironic.

[Jason Jolie]

Cause close to his high. That's close to his career high.

[Mandy B.]

Said 38.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah, it's pretty close to his career high, almost.

[Mandy B.]

So he goes to pull up. He was like, don't look at the video. Don't look at the video. He goes to screen share the thing so we can watch it on tv. And so we watched him score every point. If I'm not mistaken, he had 38. Like in the first quarter. Something stupid.

[Jason Jolie]

You went crazy.

[Mandy B.]

30 something in the first quarter.

[Jason Jolie]

Yep.

[Mandy B.]

So we keep watching it. Halftime comes. I think he is, I don't know, 60, maybe at the half. Something ridiculous. And as I keep watching it, he's in his 70s. By the third quarter, they're up by 20 something points. And I was like, why is he still in the game? I literally asked this question, so why is he still in the game? Any other star player, starter, if you are up by this much in a game by this point, you bow out gracefully. That's kind of what happens. And you sit your ass down and then you watch a whole bunch of niggas that never get in the game throw bricks at the goddamn court, okay? So I was like, wow, he's still in. And so then as we're in the fourth quarter, all the way down to the last minute, we see him chasing this record. Now the record is of course Kobe Bryant who scored 81.

[A King]

Whoa. And second was Wilt Chamberlain.

[Mandy B.]

Wilt Chamberlain, that don't count. He scored over 100.

[Jason Jolie]

Nah, nah, we not. No, we're not giving. No, we're not doing that.

[Mandy B.]

Not doing what?

[Jason Jolie]

We're not. That's the pro. The framing of this have been crazy, cuz people keep talking about Kobe's record. I'm like, Kobe don't have no record. Kobe was number two. You don't get on record for being number two. But it keeps talking about this nigga as if he did the thing. Like, no, no, no, no. Wilt Chamberlain did the thing.

[Mandy B.]

Okay, Will, Will.

[A King]

In a different era.

[Jason Jolie]

Very different era.

[A King]

Very different era. There's caveats to all of this, by the way.

[Mandy B.]

Real quick, real quick. If I'm not mistaken. Now Will did score 31 points in the fourth quarter and 59 in the second half, right? But what was different about the game back then as to why we question it?

[A King]

Because I see they wasn't doing three points every fucking shot. They was scoring a lot of two point mid range game and all that shit, Layups, real shit.

[Jason Jolie]

And then people always make the argument about the level of athleticism, how good the players were in certain areas. You can only play who's in front of you, right?

[A King]

That's why you can't compare when it's the, When Jordan was playing, there's a lot of hand checking. There's no hand checking now, right? So the theory would be it is easier to score a bucket.

[Jason Jolie]

But also plus if it was that easy, a bunch of would have scored 100 points and it was more focus on defense.

[Mandy B.]

Now a lot of them have scored 70 recently.

[Jason Jolie]

There's been a lot of, there's been

[Mandy B.]

a lot of 70 points.

[Jason Jolie]

Luka had a 70.

[A King]

Yeah, could they shooting three every shot.

[Mandy B.]

Quite a few players who had dame. Okay, now you said who gets credit for being number Two. I did have a thought about this. Do you also feel like everyone was so upset that he chased this record because of the untimely passing of Kobe and how we still honor Kobe and we like that Kobe got that.

[Jason Jolie]

That's a part of it.

[Mandy B.]

I feel like that's a part of it because I'm just like. But also, if we compare the two right. I don't think this much criticism comes from a Curry. If he gets it. I don't even think if KD gets it. It comes from that. If Jaylen Brock. I think also the fact that a lot of people. This isn't a popular nigga in the league. He's not even their highest scoring. He is an all star.

[A King]

He wasn't the Olympic. He's more like a second tier.

[Jason Jolie]

But he's not a superstar player. He's not a superstar player.

[A King]

Tier 2, 3ish.

[Mandy B.]

Now, for me, I thought it was cool. I said 83. Kind of cool. I do think he should have went out. So I get a little bit of that upset. I didn't expect the outrage that I've seen online about it. Well, I think because records are meant to be broken.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah, it's gonna happen. Well, there's two things. A BAM had 70 by the third quarter. So it wasn't like they just did some bullshit at the end and gave the nigga 45 points in the fourth quarter to end to try to make something crazy. He was already whooping these two nigga's ass as a solo individual performer. They couldn't do nothing on. He was just on that night. And once he got to a certain point, I was like, okay, you could have taken him out. But also this kind of thing happens in sports all the time. It does when. When Michael Strahan got the sack record to beat Reggie White.

[A King]

When, when.

[Jason Jolie]

When Brett F just like basically collapsed so he could touch Michael Strahan touched his shoulder. I got a sack. I break the record. I'm the guy. This happens all the time in basketball and other sports where if you're that close to it, your teammates and your coach, if you're that close to it, naturally they want to help you get you to the over the top. Yeah, but Kobe, there's a big reason, like N love Kobe and like they

[Mandy B.]

can't pull something too. Cause you mentioned him having 70 in the third. Yomi pulled something up. But the fact that Wilt Chamberlain's game also wasn't televised, people imagine it as a pure 100 with uninterrupted domination from Start to finish. Right. But people are saying that there is also a historic number of people that attended the arena that said it was very reminiscent of what Bam did.

[Jason Jolie]

Did during that time period where they

[Mandy B.]

pretty much let him have his way.

[Jason Jolie]

You can't score 100 points with no help. Like, nobody's that damn good at football club.

[Mandy B.]

Let's be very.

[A King]

Let's be real clear about things. The players identify that he's on a different sphere right now.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah.

[A King]

And they just kept feeding the beast until he. And once they saw there was a. There wasn't any disruption in how he was playing, he was like, yo, we

[Jason Jolie]

just gonna let him have it.

[A King]

And I think once you get to 72 as a coach, he's like, you know what? I'm not gonna.

[Jason Jolie]

I'm not gonna stand in the way it is now.

[A King]

I don't. I think. Now let me ask you something. I don't know how he revered Kobe, but I know other players, they hold Kobe to that godly. If it was one of those players, if they had a guy to 82, you think they would have just said, yo, I don't wanna break my man's record?

[Mandy B.]

Well, no, 81 was 81.

[A King]

Sorry.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, I ain't gonna hold it when

[A King]

he gets to 80. You think they would've fell back?

[Mandy B.]

Good question. Would you beat your sport if you love Kobe Bryant?

[Jason Jolie]

I was a Kobe hater my entire. I wanna see Kobe lose every single game he ever seen.

[A King]

Because what, though? Because he was so good?

[Jason Jolie]

No, I just thought he was a sucker.

[A King]

Oh, shit.

[Jason Jolie]

That's just what. That was me being a sports fan and just be like, oh, fuck him. But what I'm. But here's the thing about it. Like, no, if you love Kobe Bryant like that, and you in the Mamba mentality, Kobe Bryant is gonna shoot you in your forehead in front of your grandmama and be like, oh, well, nigga, that's Kobe Bryant. So, like, you can't bitch up. Because, like, that's what Kobe would want you to do. He would want you to do. Take his shit over. And it is what it is. So, like, if you're a Kobe fan like that, that's what you're supposed to do.

[A King]

I got a hot take.

[Mandy B.]

Okay.

[A King]

I'm glad I'm not on camera.

[Mandy B.]

You just mad Cause this would have been a clip.

[A King]

Yeah, the FBA community is not happy.

[Jason Jolie]

Ah, here we go. They're not happy. Kobe was born in Italy. Bam. For the fba, before you, even for

[A King]

the fba, millennial side is the Straight American.

[Mandy B.]

They say Philly, right? They say he had Philly.

[Jason Jolie]

Lower Marion.

[A King]

Just like Lower Mary.

[Jason Jolie]

He's from Philly now.

[A King]

All right, how close is Lower Marion to South Philly? Like to Beanie Siegel and them A

[Jason Jolie]

Lower Marion is like, like, if I

[A King]

wanna see how a nigga adjusts, like

[Jason Jolie]

in the same way that Amaretta was. Like, if you from Riverdale, nigga, you not from Atlanta. Like, it's how Florida.

[A King]

How far is Riverdale from Atlanta? 20 minutes.

[Jason Jolie]

Riverdale is right behind the airport. Is the airport, right?

[A King]

Oh, that's College Park.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah.

[Jason Jolie]

Oh, right. A little south of College Park.

[A King]

So Kobe right there, he was down with state property a little bit. So Bam is Nigerian. Oh, and by the way, real quick, you got Ben.

[Mandy B.]

Kobe Bryant was not born in Italy, he was born in Philadelphia.

[A King]

So the FBA community.

[Mandy B.]

He moved to Italy when he was six.

[A King]

So my hot take six when he got there.

[Mandy B.]

Thanks for checking.

[Jason Jolie]

You owe me with the fact check. Yeah, you owe me with the fact check.

[Mandy B.]

Okay, go ahead with your hot take, King.

[A King]

The foundation of black Americans are not happy that this Nigerian born NBA player broke this foundation of black Americans.

[Jason Jolie]

Record tethers are taking over the basketball

[A King]

league because they're not gonna appreciate the historical content of being ahead of Kobe the right way. You know what I'm saying?

[Jason Jolie]

Would those same FBAs have endured Kobe dealing with white women? Would they have been cool with that?

[A King]

Time and circumstance creates. Okay. Time, opportunity creates circumstances.

[Mandy B.]

Okay. It's funny cause you brought up the white woman. I actually love that this Nigerian king brought his woman to the podium.

[Jason Jolie]

Asia Wilson. Asia Wilson was right there.

[Mandy B.]

Right there was happy. Cause mind you, there was also people talking shit about that. But they don't be saying nothing about these badass kids that be being brought to the podium. So I love that he brought his black woman and sat her to take in on this celebration with him. I thought that that was really dope. And she also holds the record of a highest scoring game for the wnba.

[A King]

Yeah, honestly, I was bullshitting with what I said. But the thing is, it's primarily because of the Kobe fandom and we thought that that record would never. Or that his position would never be topped.

[Jason Jolie]

No one would ever be number two. Yeah, I mean, you think O' Shea Jackson Jr. Was mad as hell. That nigga was on a crazy Twitter rant going in about how angry he was.

[Mandy B.]

That was really weird.

[A King]

No, but that's just. That just goes to show how much we're invested in our favorite players. That's just what it Jordan. Same thing with Jordan.

[Jason Jolie]

That sportsman, Jordan, LeBron. Those are.

[A King]

People stand out for them.

[Mandy B.]

This was. I will say what I thought about this and why it was so interesting to me is because the league is so heavily invested, and a lot of you are heavily invested in the gambling aspect of this.

[A King]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

So we're actively seeing teams tank right now.

[A King]

Yep.

[Mandy B.]

So that they can have higher picks in the lottery or effective.

[A King]

Right. And I bring up this scenario with the Washington Wizards.

[Mandy B.]

Where's the competition? And the Wizards even wanting this to happen against them.

[A King]

And they just got Antonio, Anthony Davis and Trey Young. So y' all not gonna play these guys? Cause y' all want to play.

[Mandy B.]

They didn't, did they?

[Jason Jolie]

No, no, no.

[A King]

Because they want to do exactly what you said, which was which Adam Silver address. And he said. Said next year they'll be implementing anti Tank rules.

[Jason Jolie]

Oh. In regards to the. The free throws, that Bam. Bam can't call his own fouls.

[A King]

That's true, too.

[Jason Jolie]

Like, Bam can't call his own fouls. So if the refs call that many fouls, is that abnormal? Hell, yeah, that's abnormal.

[A King]

That's because the other team was trying to stop him from.

[Jason Jolie]

Trying to stop him from getting a record. So it's like, what do y' all want him to do? Like, plus, not to mention, he only scored 83. But the between free throws and field goals and three pointers, he missed like 30 shots. Like, he was like 20 for 43 from the field, 7 for 22. So he could have scored a hundred.

[A King]

I got to solve. I got the solve.

[Jason Jolie]

He could have literally scored 100.

[A King]

It's easy. Country ass, Atlanta ass, Anthony Edwards ass.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, gosh.

[A King]

The ball's in your court, bro. You gotta get 85 now. At some point within his career, he gotta do it.

[Mandy B.]

And you know what's crazy? The last person I once celebrated, why is Anthony Edwards.

[Jason Jolie]

What's wrong with him?

[A King]

Nigga, what he do?

[Mandy B.]

First off, he's not a present father. He has accusations against him with women. The fact that they keep trying to make this nigga also the face of the league is crazy. Like, I think it's just weird that this is who we have as someone to platform right now. Like, mind you, while the league just wants to keep talking about how corny Jaylen Brown is, he's right now being discussed as number seven for the MVP options.

[A King]

That's insane.

[Mandy B.]

And it's just like, like. And then also the whole league talking about how boring Jayson Tatum is and why he doesn't get accolades yet there's no controversy around him. He clearly brings deuce to every game. But yet we want to keep making the face of the league. Anthony Edwards, who said, here goes your money for 18 years. I don't even want to be a part of that baby's life. And then to made kids with XYZ lmnop, we want to keep talking about Nick Cannon making all these broken homes. Yet we wanna platform Anthony Edwards as the face of the NBA while also not allowing us to promote Magic City. The hypocrisy and all of this is like, we care when we do, but we don't when we don't.

[Jason Jolie]

And that's the problem with even you wanna.

[A King]

I don't want that nigga to score shit. I was unaware about that stuff. Honestly, I wasn't.

[Jason Jolie]

I knew he was a deadbeat dad.

[Mandy B.]

As far as he's a super deadbeat dad.

[A King]

I didn't know he had kids.

[Mandy B.]

Literally took the woman to court and said, I'm gonna pay you this much money for 18 years. Here you have it in one lump sum payment. I don't.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah. Never ever talked to me ever again.

[Mandy B.]

I don't wanna talk to you. I don't wanna be in this child's life.

[Jason Jolie]

That is a wild way to go about your business.

[Mandy B.]

That is nuts. And that's the person we want to celebrate.

[A King]

I did not and make the face of the league. And he says it too. He said that's why I was drawing that from his assessment of himself.

[Jason Jolie]

But I will say this, though. When it comes to that face of the league thing, I feel like there are standards of morality that you can get away with that aren't necessarily crimes that they will still give people platforms to. Like, you can be a bad person and not necessarily have committed a violent or sexually related crime. And they'll still be like, okay, he's an asshole that has some asshole shit with him. But like, we'll still. That's his business. That's not our business. Right.

[A King]

They'll separate.

[Jason Jolie]

They will separate that shit in a heartbeat.

[Mandy B.]

No, let's be very clear. Anything in regards to mistreatment of a

[Jason Jolie]

woman, they're more than happy to.

[Mandy B.]

Like the fact that we are celebrating. Even Dr. Dre constantly becoming. He just became a billionaire. But the celebration of Dr. Dre.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah, there were multiple women that came

[Mandy B.]

out and said that he abused them. No one cares. No one cares about deadbeat dads. No one cares about abusers. Like, if you were great at basketball or rapping or making beats, then that's

[Jason Jolie]

just what it'll be.

[Mandy B.]

I'm resolved of being a bad person in those spaces.

[A King]

Ooh.

[Mandy B.]

It just is what it is. I mean, to be honest with you, that leads us to our next fucking topic. Like James Pierce Jr.

[A King]

The dog looked the people.

[Mandy B.]

There are literal videos.

[A King]

Yeah. Oh.

[Mandy B.]

Of James Pierce Jr. Oh. Literally refusing arrest, going against seven cops, being aggressive in front of a police station, tried to run over not just any woman, but also a well known woman.

[Jason Jolie]

Somebody more famous than him and.

[A King]

Yeah, so I didn't see the video we read last week. We read everything we did in our bonuses. The fact that there's video fam.

[Mandy B.]

No, no, no. There's video of him resisting arrest. Mind you, he tried to hit her with his lambo in front of the police station. Now, y'. All. Atlanta Falcons rusher James Pierce Jr. Had four charges brought against him by the Miami Dade State attorney regarding the February incident with NBA player Rekia Jackson. The 22 year old Pierce, who did play at Tennessee, has been charged with only three felonies. Those charges are aggravated battery with a deadly weapon, fleeing and eluding police and resisting an officer. However, the fourth felony charge, which is aggravated stalking. Felony aggravated stalking was just switched to misdemeanor. He was arrested and held overnight, but of course was even given a bond.

[A King]

Right.

[Mandy B.]

And posted $20,000 and was released. So he's since been released.

[A King]

Mm.

[Mandy B.]

He harassed her. He chased her down with his vehicle, tried to hit her.

[Jason Jolie]

Yep.

[Mandy B.]

And is out. Out free.

[Jason Jolie]

Sleeping in his own bed every night.

[Mandy B.]

Sleeps in his own bed every night.

[Jason Jolie]

I mean, here's the thing, right?

[Mandy B.]

And mind you, we are moving from the NBA to the NFL. But I think like I said, overall, I combined even again, rappers, producers, anyone who is seen as great even within our community and beyond. Right. Cause sports is not just limited to the black community, but. But when you are great at something, the things that you do kind of get looked over.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah, man. And like James Pierce Jr. There's no. There hasn't been any word whether the Falcons will cut him. I think he will get cut ultimately because I don't know that.

[Mandy B.]

Now wait, there's a lot happening with your team. What did they just cut because of some other behavior? Wasn't a coach or something just cut from the Falcons?

[Jason Jolie]

Well, he was like. He was a. Not even assistant coach. He was like a. I think he was a. Not a wide receivers coach. I forget what his position was. It was like a film. Ran a film room or something like that. But what he got, he got cut for it was Some type of sexual text that he sent to some woman or harassing some woman with all type of pictures and photos. He was sending her some wild shit. So, yeah, he got sent home. James Pierce Jr. Will probably get cut. The charge that. The two serious charges that was gonna probably land him in prison were dropped. So I don't know. I don't know how they'll do their calculus on that, but I think for their. I think they have to cut him. A, because of the behavior, B, because you're not gonna be able to really justify this beyond just like, we don't care. And I don't know if Arthur Blank has the stomach for we don't care.

[Mandy B.]

I'm curious. I did wanna add, by the way, the coach was Troy Lewis. He was the assistant defensive line coach and he recently got let go after following reports of sexual assault, rape and physical battery.

[Jason Jolie]

Okay, there it is.

[Mandy B.]

From a December 2024 incident with a staff member at the University of Michigan.

[Jason Jolie]

Cause he was Sharon Moore's homie.

[A King]

The University of Michigan Moore. Abuse of power.

[Mandy B.]

Sharon Moore also, and I think we discussed it, they dropped all of those charges.

[Jason Jolie]

All those charges.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, because they found some holes in the plot, some inconsistencies with the girl.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah, some inconsistencies, consistency, some. Some police dereliction of duties that they didn't do their part. I mean, that's the thing. You can get away with a lot of crimes if all the things aren't in place. Even if you did that shit like,

[A King]

yeah, how horny can you be that you just lose all your fucking coof. Like you just say, oh, just fuck it. All the cameras and surveillance chats and technology that you're gonna get away with any of this shit.

[Jason Jolie]

Well, self control is at an all time low, at a.

[A King]

All time low.

[Jason Jolie]

And society at large, self control is an all time low. And. And lust is probably on the top of the list of things that people have lust zero control over. They just can't. They just. Their whole life radiates on do I bust a nut today or not? And that's a crazy way to live your life, right?

[A King]

Because it.

[Mandy B.]

I just also think that there haven't been enough healthy conversations not only around consent, but men are pushed to explore, not even exploring, just having sex. And women are pushed to protecting it and feeling shamed by it. And so I think when you have the upbringing of those two contrasting ways of viewing sex as we get older, there's confusion in how to receive it, how to give it. What's owed to you, what's not owed to you, how you show up in the bedroom, how to communicate when you're uncomfortable. And so this is where we have now we have adults navigating off of not knowing what the fuck they're doing or feeling entitled to certain things. And then, unfortunately, when you're a man with money, access, power, like we're seeing with these celebrities, you also don't really get criminalized.

[A King]

Do we blame rap music for this?

[Mandy B.]

I did not say that I'm asking.

[Jason Jolie]

No.

[A King]

Like, what inspires the behavior? To me, it's fuck a bitch, open your pussy hole.

[Mandy B.]

But it's patriarchy. Because they say the same shit in rock music and shit like that. Like, I did it all for the nookie. Come on. The nookie. Come on. So you could take this nookie.

[A King]

I think my future ass ho.

[Mandy B.]

Like, boo Boo. That is not a song. Is that a song?

[A King]

It is.

[Mandy B.]

You're a lying.

[Jason Jolie]

Is it Nle Chopper or somebody?

[A King]

Wait a second. The Red Hot jalapenos.

[Mandy B.]

Wait.

[Jason Jolie]

Oh,

[Mandy B.]

the Red jalapenos.

[A King]

No, wait, wait, wait.

[Mandy B.]

Red Hot Chili Peppers does not yell, I'll eat your asshole.

[A King]

I know the AI version does.

[Jason Jolie]

First off, Red Hot jalapeno sounds like a euphemism for asshole. That's why I was like, what are we doing?

[A King]

It's the AI version. The AI version. But, no, I'm just trying to think what contributes to. I mean, obviously shit starts at the home, but I think a lot of the behavior is learned. But you know what are egregious?

[Mandy B.]

You know, the ignorance and why. I hate the. That line of questioning.

[A King]

What's that?

[Mandy B.]

Is because it makes it appear as these crimes, these assaults are only happening within our community and aren't a problem at large. And for me, we know, like, these crackers out here doing some goofy, weird shit too. I mean, shit, look at Roethlisberger. He had all the charges against him and nothing really happened.

[A King]

Like, mind you, this is the case. Well, I wanna focus on our community because we gotta take care of us, right? How do we remedy this? Because our women. I'm not saying all women are not being impacted by this, but people that we we shouldn't know, women that got assaulted at all. This shouldn't happen.

[Jason Jolie]

We know way too many. But I mean, to me, it just comes down to, like, your personal responsibility, accountability. Like, I'm not going to outsource blame for this to anywhere other than the people who do it. And their rationale for doing it, to me, doesn't really matter. It's all degeneracy. So it's like.

[A King]

But with power.

[Jason Jolie]

With power and money. Yeah. And being able to take advantage of these situations or just not even if they're not. Even if it's not a money and power thing. Like sexual assault. Touching a woman, grabbing a woman, doing whatever you want to do the thing that you're enabled to do. Like that's a problem with you, rapist, that's a problem with you, pussy grabber. That's a problem with you.

[A King]

Like the dudes that be filming women in the grocery store.

[Jason Jolie]

In the grocery store and all that kind of shit. What's wrong with you?

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[Mandy B.]

This becomes a bit tricky because when we talk about holding our community accountable for things that we deem to be quote unquote wrong, right? We also have a Patrick Beverly who his 15 year old sister was in the home or in a bed alone with her 18 year old boyfriend. Now clearly we have conversations too about age gaps and things that are appropriate and not appropriate. And we talk about women at the age of 15 not really being able old enough to consent to sex and you know, it's mm. And so so former NBA player Patrick Beverley was arrested on charge of assault for family violence and household impending breathing. Basically he grabbed his sister by her neck and picked her up off the ground. Right now this was him probably instilling some sort of fear into her that what you're doing is wrong. And so I think that again, that leads to the conversation of how do we even change in our community? When all growing up, it's belt to ass. Growing up, it's seeking revenge on, oh, if you come and fuck up my family, I'mma come and fuck up yours. Even when we get into street code, right. The conversation is not letting justice handle it, but that we gonna deal with it. We're all own vigilantes within our own community a lot of times. And so when it comes to the conversations on how. How do we go, if we literally go all the way back to, you got a whooping, you're getting a spanking. That's how we're taught to even administer any sort of consequences.

[A King]

But they don't do belt to ass no more.

[Mandy B.]

They absolutely do belt to ass. Oh, there's a choke. There's a punch. He whooped his sister ass. But again, if you are the older brother, let's be very clear, a lot of times there's this fatherly expectation of how you and you might feel like we siblings and we fight and how many times have we as siblings fought? So then it's also like, are we in that era where now siblings can't fight or hold each other accountable?

[A King]

But I think there's a fine line between yoking somebody up and trying to, you know, mediate a situation. When you see your little sister and an older boy. The punching. Yeah, the mom.

[Mandy B.]

Because that's another thing. The mom calls Patrick to come over and handle the situation.

[A King]

Right. But when you do that, the intention behind that was probably from a, you know, I can't do it. I need a male.

[Mandy B.]

I need a man. But that's what I'm talking about. Maybe there wasn't a father figure.

[A King]

Whatever he saw, I don't know what he saw to make him do all of that. I can't put myself in the shoe. Cause I wouldn't put no hands on my sister. Like, it'll be some form of, I'm here, we gonna stop whatever's going on and we gonna find a solution. But not to that level.

[Jason Jolie]

How did you get there? But.

[Mandy B.]

But here's my question. Growing up, right?

[A King]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

If unfortunately, and this is another thing that probably is not instilled right within our community, the mom lets the like a father. When there is a father figure in the home, we're taught to fear the dad.

[A King]

Yeah.

[Jason Jolie]

Wait till your daddy Wait till your

[Mandy B.]

daddy gets home Wait till your daddy Wait till your daddy get home oh, your daddy Gonna handle you or you don't wanna make your dad upset. So a lot of times, unfortunately, even in the upbringing, and that's when there's a f. The father is the one who instills the punishment or puts belts in.

[A King]

I see what you're doing.

[Mandy B.]

You know what I mean? And so when we're talking about these conversations on how we can really change that within our community, it has to be that there can't be fear instilled by men even from a very young age when. And again, that's when a father figure is in the home. Outside of that, when we're talking about older men even and how they instill sexual deviance in little boys, it can't be to teach these boys to go out and chase tail at 11 and 12 years old. And for a girl to be shamed about her sexual, you know, desires or things like that. Like we are taught to be shamed for arousal, for wanting sex, for having sex. Oh, if you are a girl that ends up fast sucking any type of dick through school, you are a Jezebel and you're scorning. You have the scarlet letter on you forever. The boys, y' all are high fiving each other for having sexual experiences.

[Jason Jolie]

Well, those dynamics are in play here. So here's what I'll say. First, I don't know. I can't call whether there's clearly two different stories. Right. Like Patrick Beverly is telling his side of the story. He's saying he didn't do any of the things his sister is accusing him of. The sister is saying this is what happened to me. Right. I don't have. None of us have all the facts about exactly what happened in that house. The court will have to figure that out. I don't know how they do that.

[Mandy B.]

Now, did you. What are your thoughts on the video of his.

[Jason Jolie]

So that's what I was gonna get to. My problem really is.

[Mandy B.]

Can I play a clip from it first?

[Jason Jolie]

Sure, sure, sure.

[A King]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Play it out just in case no one's. No one's watching. Yeah.

[Jason Jolie]

People haven't heard it. Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah.

[Jason Jolie]

Because there's a couple of things we need to talk about.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah. I love that you're bringing up the video and his explaining himself because I will say too, a lot of times we don't get to hear both sides of the story. And unfortunately, no one really wants to ever hear the man's side of the story either. That's a whole nother. So here is

[Jason Jolie]

call around 3 o' clock in the morning. Mind you, I Have a five o' clock in the morning flight to la. I'm gonna work out for some teams.

[A King]

I get interrupted with a call at 3 o' clock from mom.

[Jason Jolie]

It's like, I need you to come up over here fast. Like, man, what's going on? What happened? Into the house.

[Mandy B.]

Go mom's room.

[A King]

Mom.

[Jason Jolie]

My pool sister in the next room. When I say pool, I mean arm. Come here.

[A King]

Right.

[Mandy B.]

I'm like, what are you doing?

[Jason Jolie]

Like, what are you doing as a 37 year old brother and the 15 year old sister. It's not little sister, it's, it's, it's little daughter vibe. So the young man, you know, he was cool, right?

[Mandy B.]

Okay, now by the way, y', all, it is shot like a Real Housewives of Atlanta.

[A King]

Yeah. There's even a scene where he's in the car and they panning on the side.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah. It's basically a documentary explanation of his situation.

[Mandy B.]

But yeah, curious to know your thoughts now.

[Jason Jolie]

So, so I, I'm starting off to say, yeah, the facts, I guess are being disputed. And I don't have any insight on what the facts are as far as what happened between Patrick Beverly and his. But there's layers of problems with the whole situation. Right. So what you're saying about the father's supposed to, you know, I guess instill this fear in the situation. Right. I don't know why the mother felt like she had to put Patrick Beverly even in this. If. I agree, if you live in the house with your daughter, your daughter is acting up.

[A King]

This is a recurring theme. It's just that we heard this public because of the extremity of what happened. It sounds like they've been dealing with this element.

[Jason Jolie]

Oh, for a little while.

[Mandy B.]

He's 37 years old with a 15 year old sister. It's not a sibling relationship.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

It's a daughter type relationship.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah. The age gap is crazy.

[A King]

Clearly it was.

[Mandy B.]

And the mom did.

[A King]

He says it, she called him over

[Mandy B.]

at 3am in the morning.

[A King]

Right.

[Jason Jolie]

Like you're the dad, you're the one with the money.

[A King]

So you're the daddy.

[Mandy B.]

Not even. You're the one with the money.

[A King]

But she feels that. But you're the man, the figure.

[Mandy B.]

But that's the thing too.

[Jason Jolie]

Well, I mean, that's because he's got the money.

[A King]

If he was just catching Beverly the bum nigga, he might he the breadwinner. So you listen to the breadwinner now.

[Mandy B.]

He's the breadwinner, we're bringing money into this. But also, if this woman currently does not have a even boyfriend or man say that the father of this 15 year old is not in the house. Unfortunately, what we see too is these weird dynamics that happen with moms and their sons.

[Jason Jolie]

Oh yeah, my son is my king.

[Mandy B.]

My son is my king, my son is. And so the baby daddy not here. You not a daddy.

[A King]

Right?

[Mandy B.]

Which is why he said, I didn't even. I don't even have this brother sister relationship with my sister. I have a daughter dad relationship.

[A King]

So the reason why the mother called him is. Cause yes, the breadwinner part is a big factor. Cause everything that they are able to do is hinted on his success. So what dad's saying, she's saying, well, this your house, we in it. You ain't gonna disrespect the pipeline of the house. So you know what? This is the hierarchy of how we come over here. The mother's probably thinking that's the only way to whatever that whatever the daughter's doing to stop.

[Mandy B.]

Back to what we have to start doing as a mother. Talk to your daughter who's 15 years old and navigate why this might not be the dynamic you wanna have. Mind you, there's so many conversations that I also realized I didn't have with my mom about age gaps and these older men not really knowing how to treat you, but also at 15, how you're making these adult decisions that you really shouldn't be making. But that's a conversation that I think more mothers need to have with their daughters. Instead of now bringing the black male figure to come and seal that fear and to put belt to ass and to like, we gotta also stop making our black men the. These fear mongering examples within the family unit. That is a huge part of the problem there too.

[A King]

Right.

[Jason Jolie]

And so that's the first thing is like, why does Pat need to be involved in this? Clearly that's a family dynamic they've probably been dealing with for a while. So that's one part of it. The second part of it is even with what Patrick Beverly like, the way it played out, right? You are coming over there because there's an issue with your sister and the sister is sneaking out, going to see the boyfriend. Pat in one of the clips talks about how much he's like, yo, I know you're 15, you love, you're in love. I see your, I respect your love. I respect the fact that you love this boy, whatever the case is. But if, when you coming over there and if the problem is this boy is in the house, your sister snuck out to be with this boy and she's 15 and he's 18. Why are you hemming up the sister? Cause he said in the clip the boy called the police.

[Mandy B.]

I mean, but why are you hemming up a woman at all?

[Jason Jolie]

Like if anything, you would think the normal reaction would be one of these niggas is doing something to my sister. I'm gonna go fuck that nigga up.

[Mandy B.]

You can't do that either.

[A King]

No, no, I think the 18 year old boy was respectful.

[Mandy B.]

Well, and he said that, he said

[Jason Jolie]

I wasn't disrespectful to the man, but that's the problem. But isn't that part of the problem though if he's an 18 year old boy with your 15 year old sister? Yeah, your sister. You can say the sister is doing whatever she. But like you kick him out.

[Mandy B.]

There's no ass.

[Jason Jolie]

But you addressed that boy. He said in a video, I didn't want to mess up his life. So I made sure there was no charges filed. And all this, I didn't want to mess up the boy's life. Well, why are you protecting him?

[A King]

Could it be more?

[Jason Jolie]

For what?

[A King]

Could it be more to the story that we don't know?

[Jason Jolie]

Of course there probably is. I mean again, we're not going to know all the facts and what inside of you.

[Mandy B.]

It won't. But I mean, but, but it's interesting. The bigger scope of the thing is like I actually don't feel like. I feel like. Unfortunately this only happened because of the trickle down effect. Which is why when you said what could we change different? That's what we have to change different. I do wanna make sure we go on though, cause we still have two topics to get to.

[Jason Jolie]

Oh yeah, we got the other one.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, we got. Again, that's the final take on this one though. Like within the black community, we gotta make changes about how we're raising, upbringing and communicating with each other.

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[Mandy B.]

Jay Z and then we'll end with Cokegate.

[Jason Jolie]

Coke, Coke.

[A King]

This nigga Dwight Howard don't got you slipping, though.

[Jason Jolie]

So this a lot of, you know, a lot of stuff came out in the Epstein files, some of which is like, accusations, things that are just not really important, things that are outing people for their, you know, sexual crimes. But one of the things that was inside of the. These files, I know this guy Jeff Staley is related to Harvey Weinstein. I mean, Jeffrey Epstein. They were friends. Jeff Staley was the former CEO of the Barclays. He used to do investment banking and those type of things. And one of the things that was in the Epstein files was this email that he sent to Jeffrey Epstein that reads, you want to know why we're not Sao Paulo? Just to be clear, I think he's referencing Sao Paulo from the standpoint of them being revolutionary and them reacting and overthrowing the government and revolting, protesting the whole thing.

[Mandy B.]

And by the way, you're reading an email from Jeff Stally to Jeff Epstein.

[Jason Jolie]

To Jeff Epstein.

[A King]

Correct.

[Jason Jolie]

He said, watch the. Watch the TV ads on the Super Bowl. It's all about hip blacks and hip cars with white women. The group that should be in the streets has been bought off, period, by Jay Z. That's from just Stally. I need to point out a couple of things. This email was sent on February 3, 2014. Yep. Two years prior to this. The Nets is when. Yeah, right. The Nets came to Brooklyn. You know, Jay Z was a big part of bringing them to Brooklyn, getting, I guess, public acceptance of this movement. People were very critical at the time that this was going to disenfranchise a lot of people. A lot of people who had lived in Brooklyn for a long time.

[Mandy B.]

Baby. I opened the Applebee's across from Barclays.

[Jason Jolie]

Did you?

[Mandy B.]

Yup. I was a part of that.

[A King]

Right.

[Jason Jolie]

So that the whole area is gentrified now. But the thing also that happened in 2012 is that Trayvon Martin was killed. And when Trayvon Martin was killed, it was a. It wasn't a local story, it was a national story. People were angry. People were outside in the streets. So I wanna be clear that even him saying this is historically inaccurate. The idea that black people have been glamoured and bought off by Jay Z and black people are so stuck on celebrity and fame and money that we can't possibly concentrate on the things that are going on around. No. Because niggas got in the street in 2012 when Trayvon Martin was killed. Also in this same year that his email was sent, Michael Brown was killed and people were back in the streets because Michael Brown got killed. We watched it on video and we said, this is fucked up. So this is a white man talking about some foolishness that he doesn't even know what he's talking. Nothing he's saying here even remotely accurate.

[A King]

Per usual.

[Jason Jolie]

Per usual. Right now the separate issue from that is, and I had this conversation with a friend like a month ago, which is interesting that this came out now, is that Jay Z is just in transparency. Jay Z is my favorite rapper ever. I think what Jay Z has done for music and hip hop culture and all of that kind of shit is amazing. But people have had a lot of criticism for Jay Z for years now for the way he operates in capitalism. And I think the culture at large, our relationship with capitalism has evolved over, over the time as we see more things deteriorate because people are greedy, because corporations want money and they're willing to choose money over literally anything else, human lives or anything else. So the conversation around I don't believe that Jay Z is, is a distraction to the black community. I don't even believe people say that. I feel like it's a cop out to just find some boogeyman to blame some things on. But are there things that Jay Z could address and issues that people have with some of the things that he's done? Business wise? Sure, I think that's fair. But as far as being a puppet, that's where it gets a little bit weird because are you mad at it?

[Mandy B.]

Are you for it or against? What is your stance on this specifically?

[Jason Jolie]

Well, I don't think he's a puppet. I think that Jay Z is a capitalist and I think that he operates in that system unabashed. The question is, is that Jay Z operating in capitalism? Is he being used? Cause he sells. The story he sells to us is that I'm gonna go into these business places and take advantage of these crackers who want to take advantage of me. And he has, to some degree he has. But the question, I mean, it's not

[Mandy B.]

gonna be to every degree, but we've seen him operate successfully in a liquor business and buy and sell it. He's owned it and sold it. We've seen the changes he's made for the super bowl in a league that didn't even want their players to kneel. We've seen him, I mean, but the

[Jason Jolie]

question is, are those things. Just because those things have happened, does that also mean that they couldn't still be using him to do things that aren't in our face that we're not accounting for?

[A King]

We're saying we have no idea.

[Mandy B.]

This is where it pisses me off. Like niggas ain't never gonna be happy.

[A King]

And you know what? I don't like too. And we could expand on this later on. Cause I'm pretty sure to probably isn't

[Mandy B.]

Jay Z on your shirt right now.

[A King]

She a shout out to hov, Hov, Hov. But even in this conversation about, you know, and I hate seeing it cause it's getting quite annoying now. And there's some folks out here that always commenting on Charlamagne's business dealings and how, oh, it's this and that and always got something negative to say about it. Look, business deals are done in the favor of the person doing business. How you critique it as it relates to you don't matter. You negotiate whatever it is you want, your agenda, whatever it is, for that

[Jason Jolie]

purpose only you're right.

[A King]

Whether you would do it and what looks like if you that don't matter the position you're in to do that when it's time you negotiate your agenda. But why is it always a conversation about oh, oh, he must have did something, got in the booty hole to get to 200.

[Mandy B.]

Why? Not only that, not only that, I want to read. There's a sentence from the caption of all of these things that were pulled. It's imperative to understand how black celebrities are weaponized against us. Due to its deceptive nature but effective impact, the ruling class means us harm and will outsource that mission to anyone willing to sell themselves out for the right price. Is the jig finally up for Giga man? And my problem is we love and celebrate the fact that we are able to go to university, obtain degrees, climb the corporate ladder, have C suite positions. Why do we get to a point where when someone finally makes it into certain rooms, when someone finally makes a certain amount of money, now we gotta view them as a sellout, Is there not?

[A King]

We supposed to be broke. We supposed to be in the hood eating chopped cheese every day. We supposed to eat beef patty with cocoa bread every day. Like, nigga bro.

[Mandy B.]

It's literally like our sales, our ancestors, wildest dreams to be able to sit in some of these rooms. So the idea that now they're sellouts or not doing enough or like, I just hate that this is a constant conversation around black people who reach a certain level of success or get into certain rooms with white people, that yeah, maybe ain't for us. But there are conversations changing the narrative. Like we literally could go and look at all the super bowls from the 80s and 90s and see the exact change of what's been happening and the celebrities that are now performing now. So it's like you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[Jason Jolie]

But I think there's room for both things. I don't think that someone achieving a thing for being in a room or having a certain success means that there was. How did you get, like. Was there harm done along the way to get to that point?

[Mandy B.]

I had that conversation, too.

[Jason Jolie]

But it doesn't matter, though, because if that's what happened, that's what happened.

[Mandy B.]

What harm?

[Jason Jolie]

The people whose houses, who lived in Brooklyn, who wanted to stay there, who didn't give a fuck about no Barclays center, they wanted to keep their homes, they wanted to stay there, where they've been for whatever amount of years now.

[A King]

Plot twist. That shit was gonna happen whether jay

[Mandy B.]

Z had 0.7, whether he had a

[A King]

0.7, whether he had 0.7 or 6, okay?

[Jason Jolie]

And that's one thing. But did Jay Z have to participate in it?

[Mandy B.]

Bro, he owned 0.7. If it's gonna happen of the Nets,

[Jason Jolie]

which makes it worse. Which kind of makes it worse.

[Mandy B.]

No, it doesn't make it worse. That allowed him. Him to be a part of the NBA, which later. Then he also sold that stake so that he could start Roc Nation Sports. But also that's having that partnership or that relationship or that bit of ownership probably led him to be able to. We saw him sit with Bloomberg in the Russian when he sold it. But that's probably what led to him later being able to make the changes that he's making in the NFL. To me, again, I agree. If it was going to happen whether I'm here or not, why not find a way to where I can get into the room and make a difference? Or maybe.

[A King]

And we got it into the rooms. Cause guess what? Those rooms are controlled by them people.

[Mandy B.]

It's still controlled by them.

[A King]

We don't have zero ownership or anything to be in our own rooms.

[Jason Jolie]

Well, I don't think it's a. I don't think it's necessarily a problem wanting to be in the room, but it's the idea that you can't have. Just because he's doing a benefit thing doesn't mean that he can't be critiqued for things that went along. Along the way. Bill Cosby put a lot of people in school. He paid a lot of people's tuition, too. Does that mean that Bill Cosby can't be critiqued for the shit that he's doing behind the scenes that he's been accused of.

[Mandy B.]

But I think that's the problem.

[A King]

No, is it?

[Mandy B.]

Even with this. But even this. It's all imaginary of what Jay Z is doing wrong or what he knew or something.

[Jason Jolie]

But it's not imaginary for the people who did. Not everybody was with the Barclays Center. Some people did not want in Brooklyn. Some people.

[A King]

I thought they were saying that about Jay before that was even happening.

[Jason Jolie]

The Illuminati is all. I'm not talking about Illuminati. I'm not talking about like, oh, you did some ritual to become rich. That's not what I'm talking about.

[Mandy B.]

You know what else right now look a lot like Barclay over there.

[A King]

What?

[Mandy B.]

The same. Go look at Marcy and what they're doing over there in Brooklyn. And they're gentrifying. They're gentrifying New York.

[A King]

Look, I mean, so to even place

[Mandy B.]

any bit of blame or critique on Jay Z for being a part of what is literally happening to. By the way, fuck talking about New York, the belt line, what their relationship, their gentrification of what's happening here in one of the blackest cities in America. It's doing nothing but pushing our community out further into the outskirts. Like, they're now being pushed to some out and they're now being pushed to Fayetteville. They're now being pushed to Gwinnett County. What the old fourth Ward and the West End and even downtown look like

[A King]

now, what they're doing old Ford, it looked like Silicon Valley.

[Jason Jolie]

And you know who's participating in that extra to make sure that that thing happens? The black mayors that have been running this city.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, I mean, I'm not.

[Jason Jolie]

The black mayors who've been running this city for 50, 60 years have all played a part in that expansive growth. Yeah, we get the FIFA. We get the World Cup. Yeah. We get the Super Bowl. Yeah. We get these big events. We get this business that's good for the city. I'm not saying that there aren't benefits to that, but to act as if those people who are being pushed out don't give a fuck about the World Cup. They give a fuck about the house that they lost because of imminent domain.

[Mandy B.]

Okay. But to me, it's one of those where, again, with all the things going on in this world, one of the things that I be like. Like you. Damned if you do. Damned it if you don't. I don't feel like this is something to spend energy critique.

[A King]

Listen, is it change clothes or is it dead presidents?

[Mandy B.]

Here we go with this.

[Jason Jolie]

But that's what I'm talking about.

[A King]

Jay Z needs one of those, too. Like, you know, how is it Uchi, Wally or Mike?

[Jason Jolie]

Wait, wait, wait.

[Mandy B.]

What would it be for Jay Z?

[A King]

Change clothes.

[Mandy B.]

Change clothes.

[A King]

Look, I feel like he would be. Listen, guys, to be in these rooms, you got to take off your NFL jerseys, your baseball football jerseys, and put on some.

[Jason Jolie]

And put on some other suit.

[A King]

Put on a suit and tie to play the part. Code switch.

[Jason Jolie]

Well, I was gonna. I would say less dead presidents, more where I'm from. Like, are you from Brooklyn? Right? You're from the streets of Brooklyn, right? You grew up in the hood, right? You grew up around the people who. The people who are your neighbors, the people who you kicked it with, the people who are around you, your community. Those are the people who moved out of that area in Brooklyn because of Barclays Center Kings. I'm not. Are you of that, or are you of Twitter CEOs and Michael Rubins? What? Are you of that?

[A King]

Honestly?

[Jason Jolie]

That's a great.

[A King]

That's a great question. That's a great question. I think that we gotta ask ourselves. Y' all look at the hood records, huh?

[Mandy B.]

The OG record.

[A King]

I would ask ourselves that question because I'm from the projects. But, yeah, I wanna sit. I wanna be. I wanna get some money with these guys. Cause they got the money. But I'm not gonna compromise. I'm gonna bring. I'm gonna bring my shit to it and say, yo, if you fuck with me, then you fuck with me. But we don't have to oppress anybody in the process.

[Jason Jolie]

That's the. That is the fake dream that they're talking about right here. That right there is the fake dream. Because the question is, if you're operating under capitalism, is there any scenario under capitalism where someone is not harmed?

[A King]

Compassionate capitalism.

[Jason Jolie]

The whole point. Yeah. Is that or not? Because I think that's compassionate capitalism.

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[Jason Jolie]

I think that's you making me upset.

[Mandy B.]

Like Antoinette. I don't like.

[A King]

So do we have. So do we have to

[Jason Jolie]

make more money?

[Mandy B.]

We want to be able to pay our goddamn rent and bills. Shut up with anti capitalism. I want to be as rich as possible and listen. And y' all are like, oh, my

[Jason Jolie]

God, how'd you get there?

[Mandy B.]

You probably harmed someone along the way. Suck my dick. I'm living life. This shit is hard. I don't know all the right ways to do everything.

[Jason Jolie]

I don't have to deal with that. Then take what you get then.

[A King]

I mean, take whatever critique you get. Critique, is it. I Think in our scenario, the question

[Jason Jolie]

would be, you can't have it both ways. How much capitalism is designed to harm people? Let's be super capitalism is designed to you watching capitalism is designed to harm you. We all have to operate under it. We don't have no choice. We live here in America. That's with the system.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, my God. Switch to my camera.

[Jason Jolie]

But the question is, it is designed make your money. It is designed to harm people.

[A King]

The question in our scenario is how many people might have been harmed by Mandy's overusage of ChatGPT.

[Jason Jolie]

Poison water for information. Is it worth it?

[A King]

I mean, we.

[Mandy B.]

Is it worth it?

[Jason Jolie]

So we're complicit too.

[A King]

We're complicit. Could be usage.

[Jason Jolie]

No, that's not love me. No way.

[Mandy B.]

It doesn't matter. But the way you make them go face swap. That's more water.

[A King]

Oh, no. Listen, listen. Shout out to big homie Jonathan Mena. He texted me and said, yo, Chad, GPT don't. AI don't like you, King. And I was like, I know it don't like me.

[Jason Jolie]

It don't like me. I like ASAP. Ferg, in that last one, I think

[A King]

ChatGPT might be a little racist.

[Jason Jolie]

You looking like that.

[Mandy B.]

Last topic. Last topic. We gotta get together. We are well over.

[A King]

But they make Mandy look good, though, I think, because she got a little light in her. She got a little light.

[Jason Jolie]

You know, the prompts is like, probably like.

[A King]

You know, I think chat GPT is on the spectrum.

[Mandy B.]

You know what's crazy? I'm about to get both of y' all them little taser collars that they put on dogs.

[Jason Jolie]

That's why they put on that bow tie. Bow tie probably got AI in it. It shock me and choke me while I'm talking shit about Jay Z.

[Mandy B.]

All right, y', all, last topic. Let's see if you care. I do have a clip to play.

[A King]

You gonna get that text message.

[Mandy B.]

This whole Dwight Howard and Amy Luciana

[Jason Jolie]

Lucas, this is the wildest shit that ever happened on.

[Mandy B.]

Has literally been on the Internet all week. Amy got in the car claiming that Dwight Howard's behavior led to CPS coming to pick up her stepchild. Of course, Royce Reed.

[Jason Jolie]

You knew she was gonna get a piece of.

[Mandy B.]

Royce had something to say about Dwight Howard came into it. Their shared son also came on the Internet. Amy sat in a car crying with a bag of coke, saying that this is the reason while also rubbing her face, taking the coke. It was just a lot going on, right?

[Jason Jolie]

That video was wonderful.

[Mandy B.]

Now now, there's a few topics of this. I guess I'll ask yalls thoughts. Did y' all care about this? Are y', all, like, here for family disputes being on the Internet?

[Jason Jolie]

I don't care, per se. I mean, listen, if Dwight Howard is doing what he's being accused of doing, then I want that woman to get some help.

[Mandy B.]

What is he being accused of doing? Taking coke.

[Jason Jolie]

Well, she's saying.

[Mandy B.]

What is she saying?

[Jason Jolie]

She's saying that he is, like, locking her out of the home. They're married. He said she's locked him out of the house numerous times. She. She had to break in the back gate, and she said she had to walk through the forest to break in the back gate because when he gets mad at her, he changes the code and she can't get to the security.

[A King]

It don't matter if you're a billionaire or you're a brokey, bro. The behavior is the same shit. Niggas will still default to the same

[Jason Jolie]

to the same shit. Like, oh, no, fuck that shit.

[A King]

I'mma lock the fucking code.

[Mandy B.]

Nigga sleep in my car when my husband gets mad because he's a multimillionaire and he's an NBA star. By the way, the 911 calls leaked to. She was like, I'm with Lakers star twice, Howard. She was crazy. It was like, girl, you fending out over your nigga. Like, this is weird. I did, however, wanna take a different approach to this conversation. Okay, clearly, the bag of coke was crazy. Clearly, them divorcing. I don't care.

[Jason Jolie]

She poured out some of the coke in her hand, talked about it, then poured it back in a bag to make sure that it wasn't nothing.

[A King]

Just showed everybody. No one's gonna find out.

[Jason Jolie]

Where's that at right now?

[A King]

No, no, you just got a whole key in there.

[Mandy B.]

All right, let's listen to this clip. By the way, this is a clip from Claudia Jordan. She was on a Fox soul show called Side Dish, and I was. I want to know Yalls thoughts on what she had to say about everything happening.

[Jason Jolie]

Okay?

[Mandy B.]

He should never been married to a woman. First of all, why you wasting that woman's time?

[Jason Jolie]

Time.

[Mandy B.]

That's number one. No, that's not a legend.

[Jason Jolie]

He.

[Mandy B.]

Everybody knows. Okay? It's not a legend, people. There's lots of evidence out there about Dwight. How y' all know what it is? I mean, look, he got the mouth, okay? His mouth. He got a mouth.

[A King]

He got pretty mouth.

[Mandy B.]

Royce is petty, and she should have waited. No, the hell she should not. If you have known the story about their relationship. And she crashed out a few months ago, a year ago, and gave up all the tea. She's been quiet for so many years about the things this man's been doing to this woman behind her back. Allegedly. Okay, that. That Royce put. Laid out all the receipts, okay, Stopping her from getting employment. Just keep on filing motion at the motion at the motion until she's bankrupt. Getting her off basketball wives, like just putting a gag on her. On her. He has been interfering in this woman's life for a long time. So imagine you've been trying to tell the world, like your story. You get shut up, shut down. Then Amy Luciano comes into the play out. And then Mar marries this guy and gets with him and then gloats and is laughing at Roy like it was you. You're jealous of my position. Ain't nobody jealous of anybody that's with Dwight Howard. Except maybe some dudes. Okay? No one is jealous about that. Nobody is jealous. Nobody. Maybe Miss Kitty is jealous. And if you don't know who Miss Kitty is, look up Miss Kitty. Mm. For me. Okay, So I just wanna say this. First and foremost, it is very tasteless for me and for anyone to speak about whether or not a man should be married to a woman based on their sexual preference or things that took place in their past. So she went in and on about Royce. Maybe her and Royce have a friendship with.

[Jason Jolie]

Sounds like it.

[Mandy B.]

But for me, there's a huge problem to me with leading with the fact that Dwight should not have been married to a woman because of the things that we are privy or alleged, whatever the case is with him and men.

[Jason Jolie]

Right?

[Mandy B.]

We have to if we wanna move forward with these conversations and have more healthy relationships and have less DL men and get to a place where we can have conversations around consent and kinks and desires and make this healthy for everyone. You can't sit here and tell a man who may or may not be bisexual because we also know that people don't want to have labels attached to them that they don't have as their own. Tell them that they shouldn't be married to who they want to be married to.

[Jason Jolie]

Especially cause it didn't have shit to do with the topic.

[Mandy B.]

Nothing to do with the topic. Zero down.

[Jason Jolie]

There's a reason to shit on that man and talk some lgbt, some anti

[Mandy B.]

lgbt, anti male, bisexual hate and ignorance. To me, it's one of the most ignorant takes again in 2026. For whatever reason, men are not able to be the B in lgbtqia And I don't understand why we know that gay is gay, lesbian is lesbian, but bi can identify both genders. And I still do not understand.

[Jason Jolie]

That's the irony, right?

[Mandy B.]

Why in 2026, six men, specifically Black men, cannot hold the bisexual title if in fact, they like men and women, let them. I also know so many men that like trans women and identify as straight. So when we get into these labels of straight or gay or hetero or homo and all those, all these things, there's still shame in identifying with labels, because people don't want to be labeled. They don't want to be put in boxes. They don't want to be put in categories. They don't want to be put into these things because they just want to be themselves. And maybe they are dealing with the questioning or shame around them. Let's be very clear. Dwight came into this league as a Christian boy. Dwight comes from Christian roots, went to a Christian high school. So whatever his sexuality is right now, there's probably a lot of shame, a lot of questioning, a lot of things. He's probably still working and unlearning himself. So to sit here and this be a thing also, baby, I'm gonna say it. Y' all gotta stop acting like women don't know what some of they men is into. The problem is, a lot of these women won't admit that they know that their men like to be pegged or that their men like to suck dick on the side, or that there's a lot of women that actually allow it, but don't admit that. I know there's a woman my man is into, but I love him also, Amy. Luciana. Luciana, whatever. Married Dwight. After all the gay allegations, you not gonna tell me this girl didn't know nothing about Dwight or what Dwight may have wanted in or around his mouth or Buddha hole. We don't know.

[A King]

Or belly button hole.

[Jason Jolie]

Or belly button or ear hole.

[Mandy B.]

You know, my thing is, Amy is not someone who is completely oblivious to what the sexuality of her husband is. So even for her to say that, but Royce got the receipts. Royce got the, like. First off, Roy's been coming for DWight since day one.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah, I mean, I don't think Dwight has, because I'm not just talking about his sexuality right now. I'm just talking about his relationship with Royce and how fucked up it seems it's always been. Yeah, I don't think that he. For me, anyway, I don't think he gets the benefit of the doubt of how petty or whatever type of shit he might be doing to this lady in their private home. Like, none of that was surprising. But, like, yeah, to your point about him, sexuality, like a. It kind of comes back to what we were talking about with the Hawks game is just that the way people view sex is. It's fucked their brain up. And I don't know what it is outside of the religious part of it. I don't know why people have struggle with the idea of sex or sexuality, whatever it is, because ultimately it doesn't fucking matter.

[Mandy B.]

Mind you, Amy was talking about CPS came and took the children. Yet on this take, we still leaning into whether or not fucking Dwight sucks dick or not. Who fucking cares? And why does that keep being a conversation, mind you? Bisexual men, gay men can be good fathers, good partners. Let's stop acting like Dwight is now so stained and a man that no woman should ever take serious. Like, is he a liar?

[Jason Jolie]

Probably.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah. Is he a cheater?

[Jason Jolie]

Probably too.

[Mandy B.]

But why do we keep. Keep giving him this scarlet letter? Like, he is the most disgusting creature in the world because there's allegations of him being with men.

[A King]

It's not him. It's him. Like the homophobia of it all, but it's not him. It's the construct, right?

[Mandy B.]

What do you mean by that?

[A King]

We mentioned it earlier. It's a societal construct of how they view based on religion. Yeah, religion says that shit is a no. So you mentioned that he grew up in a Christian.

[Mandy B.]

Very correct.

[A King]

Where's or no, but even within the construct, the tabooism that happens behind closed doors.

[Mandy B.]

You know that word, tabooism? You say tabooism.

[A King]

How you say that in Ireland? Irish?

[Jason Jolie]

Tabooism.

[Mandy B.]

Tabooism. That's a word.

[A King]

Listen, Taoism, y' all don't want to put. Y' all want to remove the L out of salmon, so, you know.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, my God. Tabooism. We gonna let you rock. Go ahead.

[A King]

It's there, right? No, we gonna make. Listen, they got the aav, whatever that shit is, right? But look, tabooism, right? It's just like we don't know what his experiences was or if any where he encountered these scenarios as a youngin, right? Which he developed and liked or whatever. So we don't know. It's just the construct. We gotta stop. The construct is the construct. Look, they trying to change laws from state to state. That's anti lgbtq, anti interracial marriage, anti whatever the construct says.

[Mandy B.]

My problem is, if we're gonna have a conversation about this divorce as a whole and what was unhealthy about it, what led CPS to come and get the child. Still don't know.

[A King]

And then this bag of coke.

[Mandy B.]

Now, there's a drug situation here. Hold on.

[Jason Jolie]

He likes.

[Mandy B.]

So you have CPS taking a kid out the home. We have a bag of coke. That bitch. I'm surprised you still out walking free. Cause this intent to distribute, that's a lot of coke.

[Jason Jolie]

Like a quarter brick she got.

[A King]

You know what I mean? He don't want to keep going back to the plug. He just want the extra support.

[Mandy B.]

I get it. But then the conversation to turn into that. Get back to his fucking sexuality.

[A King]

How many podcasts you think use coke, bro?

[Mandy B.]

You're demonized more for being a black man that might like men more than being a criminal, more than using drugs. Drugs. More than being an abuser, more than being a cheater. Heaven forbid you like dick. You are worse than all those people in terms of a relationship. And I don't understand why we are criminalizing black men for this section.

[A King]

I love Moral Mandy evolving into Moral Mandy. I love it.

[Mandy B.]

No, we'll let a man be a cheater. Look at you. You want Anthony Edwards to be correct.

[Jason Jolie]

Hold on, hold on.

[A King]

I didn't have the information. I didn't have. Well, I didn't have that information. You put me on game. I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

[Mandy B.]

There's still a level of, yeah, Dr. Dre's a billionaire. Yay. Fuck that. He hit women. Like, even with this. There is a child that was removed from a household.

[A King]

You're right.

[Mandy B.]

There is a woman that is alleged. She's being locked out. That nigga sat front row at the goddamn Lakers game smiling, waving to everybody, and then filed for divorce the next morning. We still don't know why that child was removed basically out of the home. We know that this relationship is unhealthy because Amy filed six months ago for divorce. And yet the conversation on the goddamn Internet is Dwight's sexuality.

[Jason Jolie]

Well, there's a collision of two things happening. We as a society, from the inception of people, we have all been running around practicing, like, unprotected patriarchy, Right? So, like, there's that part of it, right?

[Mandy B.]

Yep.

[Jason Jolie]

Then there is the part of it that is supposed to. Is, like, the sex shaming of the whole thing. So it's like, well, what's the. What's the worst thing you can do to a man who's supposed to be a big alpha male? Like, Amber Rose did the same thing to Kanye when she was mad at him. And she's like, oh, well, that's why you like fingers in your booty hole, nigga? And it's like, all right. Like, you're trying to find. You're using patriarchy to say the man is supposed to be this. Then nothing feminine. Nothing like the strongest. Big Whoopi, Whoopi, whoop.

[Mandy B.]

And then you can be masculine and take a finger in the Buddha hole, bro.

[Jason Jolie]

You do whatever you want to. Whatever a man and a woman do is what a man and a woman do. Whatever a man and a man do is what a man and a man does and all of that shit. Like, that's fine. But you're trying to take these two things and use them as weapons against each other. And it's like, for what?

[Mandy B.]

For what?

[Jason Jolie]

For what? Just to get off points. Like, what does that have to do with anything?

[A King]

Everything changed October 2018. For Dwight Howard, that was the beginning of the NBA season when he was with the Washington Wizards and he was out for the season opener. And when they put on an injury report why he was out. And, you know, that's public. Everything started there, bro.

[Jason Jolie]

And the report was the tailbone injury.

[A King]

It says Dwight missed the start of the NBA season due to legitimate, albeit unusually, described gluteal injury known as performance muscle injury, the soreness in the buttocks, which causes significant pain and discomfort. So when you put that on the Internet, right? What happens when you put that on the Internet? Everybody, oh, this nigga. And that's when it start. That is the origin story of how we get here. Mind your business. If he like what he like, hats off, bro.

[Jason Jolie]

And talk about the.

[A King]

And we shouldn't be. We should not.

[Mandy B.]

He like.

[A King]

We like.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah, that's just. It is what it is. Like, I don't. But that's. That's a petty swipe.

[Mandy B.]

Sexuality. Whatever it is.

[A King]

Whatever it is, is separate from, are

[Jason Jolie]

you a good father?

[Mandy B.]

Being a good father.

[Jason Jolie]

Are you a drug addict?

[Mandy B.]

Are you a drug addict? Are you abusing children? Are you like, come the fuck on. If we're gonna have these conversations, I need people to be a lot less ignorant and attack the matter and not be so homophobic in. Well, we have the platform in their takes. The platform, especially like Claudia, your friend with gays, you worked with Carlos King. To me, to lean into that is like, what are we. Come on, girl. You work with Dustin, you work with Carlos. Like, to me, we shouldn't be, like, criminalizing Dwight for whatever his sexuality may be while he's getting a divorce in his heterosexual relationship with a woman.

[A King]

Yeah.

[Jason Jolie]

If she's friends with Royce. And that is her motivating thing to be anti Dwight because she's friends with Royce and she thinks that Dwight did her dirty. If you think that, say that I'm

[Mandy B.]

sticking up for my homegirl. Let's not say that he shouldn't have been married to a woman.

[Jason Jolie]

Yeah, yeah, that's. That's a petty way to start the conversation.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, this was. This was a lot. I think I'm just going to shave my head after this.

[Jason Jolie]

I'm still. I'm about you. I'm still feeling eclectic.

[Mandy B.]

Y' all got to join the Patreon to see it.

[Jason Jolie]

Still feeling eclectic right now.

[Mandy B.]

Showing up as my barber. We're going to. We're going to document it all. Basically, y', all, I have been blocking.

[A King]

Get a mullet. We going to put a mullet on it.

[Mandy B.]

Don't do. You got to leave me a little bit. I don't want to go ball.

[A King]

Oh, no, I got you.

[Jason Jolie]

That was my question. I was like, when you say shave,

[A King]

we gonna give us Caesar.

[Jason Jolie]

Shave. Like, I'll shave and shave.

[Mandy B.]

Let me see your hair.

[Jason Jolie]

Like, like, like, like, like, like, all, like, down to the skin.

[Mandy B.]

No, not down to the skin.

[Jason Jolie]

Okay.

[Mandy B.]

Not down to the skin. Hey, hey, yo me.

[A King]

We're recording. Oh, you did the waves.

[Mandy B.]

All right, guys, well, anyways, we're about to get out of here. We're about to shoot some bonus content again. If you want to see that. Make sure you head on. That's patreon.com backslash with MandyB. Hopefully you guys all, if you're still drinking your beer and green tink, please make sure you get an Uber driver. Make sure you drive safe. Do not drink and drive. Y' all know I will tell y' all that every holiday weekend. Anyways, guys, this is Selective Ignorance, where curiosity lives, controversy thrives, and conversations matter. See you pussy assholes next week. Bye. Selective Ignorance, a production of the Black Effect Podcast Network. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartrade radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Thanks for tuning in.

[Jason Jolie]

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[Mandy B.]

Selective Ignorance is executive produced by Mandy B. And it's a full Court Media Studio

[Jason Jolie]

production with lead producers Jason Rodriguez.

[Mandy B.]

That's me. And Aaron A. King Howard. Now, do us a favor and rate,

[Jason Jolie]

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[Mandy B.]

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[Jason Jolie]

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[Mandy B.]

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