Selective Ignorance: Ep. 57 | Whyte Face, Reactive Abuse & The Billies

Summary

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Decisions, Decisions – Selective Ignorance: Ep. 57 | "Whyte Face, Reactive Abuse & The Billies"

Release Date: March 31, 2026
Hosts: Mandii B, Jason Rodriguez, Aaron A. King Howard
Producer: The Black Effect Podcast Network and iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

In this dynamic and candid episode, Mandii B and the crew dive into several hot-button topics igniting social and cultural debates: the backlash over comedian Drewski’s "whiteface" skit and the double standards around race and comedy, the controversial cancellation of the Bachelorette following revelations of domestic violence, the trending (and troubling) concept of "reactive abuse," the recent Versus battle between Tank and Tyrese, Usher’s defense of Diddy in light of public allegations, and in-depth reflections on J. Cole and Jay-Z’s recent interviews and the challenges of discussing wealth and morality. Throughout, humor, vulnerability, and authentic personal takes guide the conversation.

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1. Internet Outrage and the Drewski "Whiteface" Backlash

(Starts ~21:22)

Key Points:

• Drewski’s Skit: Comedian Drewski posted a sketch, "How Conservative White Women in America Act," sparking widespread debate about double standards for comedians of different backgrounds.
• Blackface vs. Whiteface: The hosts dissect viewer reactions, asking whether whiteface is equivalent to blackface and tackle the deep-rooted historical context.
  • Mandii B: "If a white comedian does the same thing and offends everybody, his own people, and then goes to talk about black people, I just don’t understand how we get to do it and they don’t. I know that sounds crazy." (24:04)
  • Jason: "The history of blackface is about racism. The history of whiteface…there is no history. It’s us just making fun of you. But beyond the historical semantics…it’s like, the rules are different for us." (24:29)
• Why Whiteface Isn’t “Reverse Racism”: The group explains that blackface was historically used by white people to exclude and ridicule Black people; whiteface doesn’t carry the same legacy or impact.
• Public Outrage as Performance: Jason pushes back on the idea white people are genuinely hurt by whiteface: “I think all that shit is fake. All that is a performance. This shit is a lie. Y’all don’t care about people calling you cracker.” (26:03)

Notable Quote:
Jason: “We can do what we want to do and y’all niggas can’t. And that's the rule.” (24:29)

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2. The Bachelorette Cancellation, Domestic Violence, and “Reactive Abuse”

(Starts ~31:52)

Key Points:

• Taylor Frankie Paul’s Viral Video: ABC cancels the 22nd season of The Bachelorette after a video emerges showing star Taylor Frankie Paul physically attacking her partner.
• Reactive Abuse Debate: The internet (mainly women, per the discussion) fiercely debates whether her actions are excused by "reactive abuse," defined as when a victim lashes out at their abuser after prolonged trauma.
• Mandii’s Hot Take: Mandii is adamant that gender double standards for violence are wrong, and that “reactive abuse” shouldn’t shield women from accountability:
  • “There’s always some sort of provocation…but to sit here and make excuses for women being able to put their hands on men is fucking insane to me.” (34:15)
• Social Media Trends: TikTok’s problematic trend of joking about women hitting men is heavily criticized.
• Broader Implications: The episode highlights how men are often not recognized as victims of abuse, both physically and sexually, and how society’s instinct to disbelieve male victimhood is dangerous.

Notable Quotes:

• Mandy: “Ladies, you cannot put your fucking hands on these men. Whether they are emotionally abusing you or you’re in this tumultuous relationship. You saying that he pushed you to a point to excuse you for laying hands on him to me doesn’t make sense in any world or lens.” (36:46)
• Jason: “Reactive abuse…is not something that’s gonna save you or protect you from putting your hands on somebody.” (44:52)

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3. Recap: Versus – Tank vs. Tyrese

(Starts ~51:54)

Key Points:

• The hosts unwind by reviewing the recent Versus battle between R&B stalwarts Tank and Tyrese.
• General consensus: There was no clear “winner”—instead, viewers got to see brotherhood, playful competition, and mutual respect.
• Standout moment: Tank’s off-the-cuff jokes and Tyrese’s performance style are both discussed with amusement.
• Insider details: Mandii shares her experience seeing both perform live. She notes Tank’s prowess as a performer and how Tyrese’s career has been eclipsed in recent years.

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4. Usher Defends Diddy: Navigating Legacy in the Face of Public Allegations

(Starts ~59:18)

Key Points:

• Usher’s Interview: Usher recently told Forbes he’s never personally witnessed the abusive conduct that Diddy is accused of, and he chooses to highlight Diddy’s role in advancing Black entrepreneurship and culture.
  • Usher: “I can’t, with any sense of humanity, not recognize the valuable contributions that this man made for us as Black entrepreneurs, for us as businessmen, for us as people who transition, you know, culture and ideas into something that’s tangible and becomes business.” (59:50)
• The Limits of Personal Experience: The hosts pushed back, asking whether it’s responsible for Usher to ignore public evidence:
  • Jason: “Why does it have to be your personal experience…? I’m not gonna go in public and act like that didn’t happen.” (63:13)
• The Nuance of Supporting Problematic Figures: Mandii compares Usher’s stance to complex family situations where one may still support loved ones who’ve done wrong. The crew debates the line between personal loyalty and public accountability.
• Chaka Khan Parallel: The hosts praise Chaka Khan’s more nuanced approach, acknowledging the faults of Ike Turner without denying his humanity.

Notable Quotes:

• Jason: “To only be like, I only see good things and I don’t… Bad things hurt me and good things make me feel good. That’s just naive and disingenuous.” (63:49)
• Mandy: “These are humans…making exceptions for the people in their lives that matter. And we do it the same…if you go and visit that person, you’re no different than an Usher or a Shaka in support of their friends who caused harm to other people.” (68:10)

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5. Press Runs & Vulnerability: J. Cole and Jay Z in the Hot Seat

(Starts ~72:08)

Key Points:

• J. Cole’s Press Tour: The crew debates the effectiveness and vulnerability of recent J. Cole interviews (including with Nadeska, Cam'ron, and Apple Music).
  • Mandii: “He’s also been like this lone wolf… We still just don’t know his real relationship within the industry.” (74:56)
  • Jason: “It’s all follow-ups. Right? JCole says something…let me follow up. Instead of moving on.” (81:39)
• Why Artists Dodge: They discuss how press junkets often fail to elicit deeper, more revealing conversations and lament the lack of true vulnerability.
• Kendrick Lamar’s Silence: Aaron praises Kendrick’s approach of speaking through his music.

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6. Jay-Z on Billionaires, Morality, and the American Dream

(Starts ~88:02)

Key Points:

• Jay-Z’s GQ Interview: Jay-Z pushes back against “all billionaires are bad,” asserting that it’s not the dollar amount but how you conduct yourself and what you do with your wealth that matters.
  • Jay-Z: "Is it $100,000, $150,000…at what point? If it’s a cutoff—if all millionaires are bad...so at $999,000 I’m good?" (93:53)
• Systemic Barriers vs. Individual Talent: Jay-Z discusses how he got where he is based “on talent not taking advantage of people, not creating tax loopholes, not just taking from other people.” (94:22)
• The Capitalism Debate: Jason broadens the conversation, noting capitalism’s flaws while acknowledging Jay-Z’s unique path up from poverty.
• Changing Social Attitudes: The group reflects on the shifting public opinions about extreme wealth and legacy in hip-hop and America.
• Should Jay Sit Down with Bleek?: Speculation about whether Jay should do a real, unguarded sit-down with longtime friend Memphis Bleek.

Notable Quotes:

• Jay-Z (from interview): “Your morality defines who you are…not what you retain. It’s not a dollar amount that changes you.” (93:36)
• Jason: “That interview is basically ‘they not like us’ in spoken word form. Like, that’s the line he’s drawing.” (103:02)
• Mandy: “I love that his wife said, now get your ass back on stage.” (99:59)

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7. Culture, Community & Authenticity: Final Takeaways

(Starts ~105:41)

Key Points:

• The importance of keeping public discourse honest and human, especially in the Black community, is emphasized.
• The show's parting message: Don’t lose sight of people’s humanity—everyone is flawed and navigating a complicated system.

Closing Thought:
Mandy: “Look at these people as human. When you have something to say about somebody, think of if or how you’ve ever been in that same position and how you responded.” (108:06)

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Memorable Moments & Timestamps

• Whiteface/Blackface Double Standards: Jason: “We can do what we want…y’all can’t. And that’s the rule.” (24:29)
• Reactive Abuse Debate: Mandy: “[Women] excusing this behavior…the amount of people who excuse women who abuse men is fucking insane to me.” (34:15)
• Usher on Diddy: Usher: “I can’t…not recognize the valuable contributions that this man made…” (59:50)
• Jay-Z on Billionaires/Morality: Jay-Z: “Your morality defines who you are…not what you retain.” (93:36)
• Press Runs Frustration with J. Cole: Mandy: “We really don’t know his relationship with these other people, really.” (74:56)

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For full context, robust humor, and the uniquely authentic takes on each topic, listen to the episode in its entirety.

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Transcript

[Mandy B]

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[Amy Robach]

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[Aaron A. King Howard]

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[Mandy B]

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[Mandy B]

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[Daniel Alarcon]

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[John Green]

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[Mandy B]

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[Jason Rodriguez]

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[Mandy B]

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[Jason Rodriguez]

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[Mandy B]

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[Mandy B]

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[Mandy B]

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[Aaron A. King Howard]

Negro, please.

[Mandy B]

And whether or not they're even the same thing or not. Then we're getting into the Bachelorette, of course, that was recently canceled due to the Bachelorette actually getting canceled. I think this is what canceled looks like. Maybe. So we saw a clip of Taylor Frankie Paul abusing one of her baby daddies. This is my baby daddy. And apparently women are coming to the defense of the domestic violence here. I have a strong take about this one that you're not gonna wanna miss. Then we are recapping the verses. Tank versus Tyrese. And then, of course, celebrities always say the darnest things. We're getting into Usher defending Diddy.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Come on now, dawg.

[Mandy B]

Somewhat. But aren't you kind of allowed to do that? I think so. Y' all might kind of. I don't know what y' all are gonna think about my take there. And then also wrapping things up, we are finally giving our takes on the Jay Z. J. Cole press run that has been taking place over the last week. But before we get to all of these things, I need to introduce my super producers, y'. All. I can't believe two weeks in a row we have journalism. Jason.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Hey, gang, gang, gang isn't with the people. I was gonna say live in the flesh, but I'm just on the box.

[Mandy B]

You're definitely not live in the flesh.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But I'm gonna say. And then I'm not gonna be like J. Cole and Cam and get myself in trouble by saying dates. But in the next, like, 60 days I'm gonna try to make myself down in Atlanta so we can be getting geek.

[Mandy B]

I was actually gonna even ask a king next time we need to figure out going to New York.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

But also, I figured it out already.

[Mandy B]

Did you?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

When the TSA lines get shorter.

[Mandy B]

You know what's crazy, though? They're paying them now.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

They what?

[Mandy B]

They're paying them now.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

So that the TSA line, it's still getting a little.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It's still jacky.

[Mandy B]

A little choppy. A little choppy.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Currently as of record time.

[Mandy B]

Well, y', all, that was the voice of OG podcaster, a king. What it do, what it do, what it do?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

According to them comments.

[Mandy B]

Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

We new to this brand did not give us these podcast mics that we created.

[Mandy B]

When I tell you, I have never seen the three of us fight for our lives the way we have been fighting for our lives. Jason, this is why we actually do need to get you down here so that you can be mentally abused by the Internet.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

You feel like you need trauma.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You need some trauma.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

You need to experience some of this trauma.

[Mandy B]

You need some trauma.

[Jason Rodriguez]

If me and mine to the end of time, it's a trauma bomb.

It's a trauma bond.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

But we all have three different ways of how we interact with them.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, yeah.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I try to be respectfully disrespectful. Oh, but yeah, he don't give a fuck. He wanted. No, I kill him with kindness. You're way like the MAGA chick. But we'll talk about that big raising business.

[Mandy B]

And then, y', all, I got the king of headlines, Jason Jolie.

[Jason Rodriguez]

What up, what up, what up, what up, Pop Blessings. All the Yap niggas.

[Mandy B]

Well, the Yap niggas was in them comments.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, man, they are so salty. But I didn't like. Here's what it is. It's funny because as much as they,

[Mandy B]

by the way, they were all in the comments, by the way, getting on us to defend LA Russell. But that's what the clip was. That has us fighting for our lives, by the way, y'. All.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But that's what's funny about it is that, like, we know that LA Russell has a fan base, but, like, y' all love him this bad, bro. Y' all love him this bad.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Like, all right, But I think it's what he represents and it's come up prior to the debacle. You know what I mean? I think.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And I'm with that, he did the

[Aaron A. King Howard]

whole independent thing and curated a fan base, the organic way.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Sure, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B]

But also it's a clip with clearly three different takes on where we stand with the whole LA Russell thing, essentially. And not that you don't know his music. I literally just wanted you to name a song.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

And so people were like, ooh, y' all disrespecting him.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

And dawg, in the moment, I will admit, sometimes when you are doing things, recording, yeah. You should be on point with it. And I wasn't. But I'm a fucking human. I'm a heaven sent human being. Like, these guys in the comments, I'm like, you in the comments, though, you're here with us.

[Jason Rodriguez]

The one dude was like, y' all just doing this for engagement farming. And I'm like, you clicked.

[Mandy B]

You clicked it. You're engaging.

[Amy Robach]

You're here.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You're engaging with it right now.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

And there was one dude, I can't remember his name. He's like, clearly he's a fan. And I said that. I said, I am a fan. I was unable to name afterwards. I did. Right, Right.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, yeah.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

And I get it. It goes out there. They only. They react to what they see in these, you know, these 60 second clips. But it's like, come on, guys. That's why we asked you to subscribe, rate, listen to the show. So you get the full context, you get the full picture. But.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But these type of people that say, you don't need the full picture because we just told them that the Russell dumbass clip was stupid because he only put out the clip. And now they mad at the exact same that we said.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Like, I saw the Russell fan page.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, yeah, I see.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I don't know if that's him.

[Jason Rodriguez]

She only had 200 followers. I mean, wait, wait, wait.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

A burner don't have to have that many.

[Mandy B]

You know what's crazy, though? No celebrity.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I'm not saying it isn't celebrity.

[Mandy B]

Burner accounts don't have their name on it.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

That's true, too.

[Mandy B]

You know what I mean?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Like, yeah, that's true.

[Mandy B]

The fences be on some weirdo, like, different type name shit, right? It don't be there.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Durant gave us the blueprint.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah. He said to stand how you're supposed to.

Although that could have been his mom. That could have been his mom.

You know, she don't play.

[Mandy B]

I'm not gonna hold you.

[Jason Rodriguez]

She don't play.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

She don't play.

[Mandy B]

I'm throwing. The event was just like o.

[Jason Rodriguez]

A march, a march.

They had a rally in a march for the Russell Luther King Jr. For LA Russell X. Yo, for Fred LaRussell Hampton, the chairman of the Bay, like a march. They had a march. Like his civil rights was violated. Like the nigga was crossing the Selma Edmund Pettus Bridge and the nigga needed a rally. Like, all right, y' all got it. Y' all got it. Y' all got it.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

But they came out, though.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Y' all got it.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

They showed up.

[Jason Rodriguez]

They sure did.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I wish shit show up for us if we got somebody.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Was there more people in the comments? Comments or more people at the rally? That's what we gotta figure out. We gotta do something mad.

[Mandy B]

Nah, there was a lot of in the world.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It was a parking lot full of raisin biscuit head ass niggas.

[Mandy B]

No facts.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like, what do y' all do? All right, man, whatever.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Y' all got it. Y' all got it.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I don't want it.

[Mandy B]

It's funny because I love seeing them go back and forth. Because for me, like, my response would just be like, yo mama should have swallowed you. You know what I mean? Like. Like, why are you here right now?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Your mama should have spit you on the bathroom floor. It is one of my favorites to like, just every once in a while, you just give somebody that.

[Mandy B]

Wait a second. Wait a second.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Wait a second. Hold on.

[Mandy B]

Wait, wait. Should have spit you on the bathroom floor. When. When is a man coming in your mouth in the bathroom?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Think I ask his mama. You ask that nigga mama.

[Mandy B]

I don't crazy.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You got ask the nigga mama.

[Jay-Z]

That's.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's her business.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

But spitting out.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Now he's doing the science.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

If she. If she kept it in, it's still void of pregnancy.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's true.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

So I guess the thing would be to adjust. It would be.

[Jason Rodriguez]

No, but the location matters.

[Mandy B]

The location.

[Jason Rodriguez]

If you in the bathroom floor.

The bathroom floor, like, it paints the picture for you without even going through the whole story. You're doing salmon science right now. Don't do that.

[Mandy B]

Salmon science. Salmon science.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

We gotta do this. Y' all wanna do this publicly? You wanna do this publicly? You wanna get a poll going?

[Jason Rodriguez]

See this dude's turning out.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I can't wait.

[Mandy B]

Y' all already being ignorant. Well, Jai, you said you. You said you had an ignorant moment.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Literally.

Oh, yeah. Okay. So today is March 29th. This is we in Atlanta, Georgia, and it is cold as hell outside for no damn reason. So for the flat earthers out there, for the. The science deniers, the climate change people, like, all y', all, like, it's cold in Atlanta, it's not supposed to be like this. So I'm standing outside and I see this group of Asian people. It's like five or six Asian people.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

That's what we doing today.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You know, Crazy.

[Mandy B]

I have an Asian ignorant take, too, so I love this.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So they outside in T shirts and shorts, and the wind is blowing. I'm like, I'm cold. I know y' all niggas is cold. And it made me think. Like, I know that a lot of people come to America and they try to assimilate to whiteness, but I just wanted to remind our Asian brothers and sisters that they not white. Like, y' all not supposed to be carrying on like this. Like, I know people don't like people of color, but, like, you know, we don't do that shit.

[Mandy B]

Like, we don't wear shorts.

[Jason Rodriguez]

We don't wear short. It's cold as hell out cold as fat. Like, not even fake cold. Like, real cold. Like, what are you doing?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

See, I would argue that you, as an Atlanta brother, I think y' all don't know how this is not real cold. Ooh, 60 to 55 degrees.

[Mandy B]

It is really hot.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You don't got on shorts or.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Well, I don't want to catch. You know.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He said, you got no culture, Josh.

The weather culture in Atlanta is trash.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

No, I'm going to be honest. I love to see cats in Atlanta, you know, going to complain about 60 degree weather. It's 42, yo. If you go to the supermarket, they got on snorkels. You see some even with Timberlands. And I know you not from New York. Cause they be having all Atlanta apparel. And I'm like, well, look at this goddamn shit.

[Mandy B]

By the. By the way. By the way, y', all, it literally is. It's 59 degrees. Yeah. And you are speaking like, it's in the city now.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I would say, Josh, you could wear that and shorts right now. And you.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That was my plan. My plan today initially was to come in here with a hoodie and shorts. I felt like, oh, it's going to be in, like, the middle.

[Mandy B]

To be fair, it gets up to 65 today, which technically.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And it's not there yet. Beautiful. Yeah.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Weather.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Great day. But when I woke up this morning, it was every bit of 42.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

No, it had a crisp.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It was a nice little crisp.

It did.

It did.

[Mandy B]

Well, I'll be quick with my little ignorant take. I just had. Actually, before we started recording, me and yomi were talking about our shared albums. Like, you know when you say things, and I was like, I have, like, four albums of saved things on Instagram. I said, it's ATL Eats, NYC Eats and Tokyo.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I need to organize my shit, baby.

[Mandy B]

I need to. That was the conversation the food should

[Jason Rodriguez]

be getting lost in.

[Mandy B]

I need to organize it more. So she was like, you have a Tokyo folder? I said, yes, that's my dream trip. And I said, but I know I'm saving up money right now because it's gon be an expensive trip.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh yeah.

[Mandy B]

And so I said, I want to eat the wagyu, the finest fucking otoro tuna and all the things Omasaki give me everything. Market price out there, okay? Like straight Japanese shit. And so then I pretty much was like, and this is gonna sound bad. And I know that I could be judged, but I'm also going to have my costumes. I want to dress like an anime character while I'm in Tokyo.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, shit.

[Mandy B]

Because how else? I said I want to look like Meg thee stallion.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Mandy Moon. Oh, Mandy Moon. Is that what we do?

[Mandy B]

I want to look like I'm about to catch Pokemon. I want to literally go out there with. I wanna look like hello Kitty, whatever the fuck they dress like. And I don't even think they dress like it. This is where I'm like staring at the way.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It's like, yo, I know y' all running around dressed like Goku out there. Like, let me come out.

[Mandy B]

But then guess what? They know all the numbers of hip hop though, so I also feel like I gotta get my cultural exchange. They literally steal all of black culture out there with a little mix of anime.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you know, I'm with you.

[Mandy B]

But I was like, you know, I'm going out there and I want to be dressed like all that. So when I do go to Tokyo, guys do not hop in them comments, you know, do not hop in my comments making fun of me for looking like an anime character because I'm doing it on purpose.

[Jason Rodriguez]

How many outfits do you think you would conceptualize and bring and wear?

[Mandy B]

I want to do Tokyo. So I want to do Tokyo, Kyoto and Osaka. So 10 days at least.

[Jason Rodriguez]

At least a 10 day trip.

[Mandy B]

At least a 10 day trip. Which normally I don't do, but I'm

[Jason Rodriguez]

like, no, you fly all the way over there. You got to stay for a little like.

[Mandy B]

And I, I have to make sure like all the shot is out my system because the way I need to be able to eat.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's fair.

[Mandy B]

Like I'm finna make sure. I think I'm gonna actually stretch my stomach before I walk.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Before you get out there. Like I'm eating all of this shit.

[Mandy B]

Like I need to. But yeah, at least 10 days, three cities and probably per day, at least two outfits a day.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, wow.

[Mandy B]

To walk the day.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Wait, you not talking about, like I'm gonna take some regular clothes and some costumes. You talking about I'm doing okay.

Okay.

Okay.

[Mandy B]

And then I'm probably also gonn because I got a shop out there.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You absolutely do.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Because.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, Shibuya. And they had you fucked up out there.

[Mandy B]

Hello. Hello.

[John Green]

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[Daniel Alarcon]

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[John Green]

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[Daniel Alarcon]

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[John Green]

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[Daniel Alarcon]

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[John Green]

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[Amy Robach]

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[Iris Palmer]

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[Iris Palmer's guest]

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[Iris Palmer]

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[Wilmer Valderrama]

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[Freddy Rodriguez]

Welcome back to Dos Amigos.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

Dos Amigos, Season two, baby.

[Freddy Rodriguez]

This time we're going even deeper into our care, our art, and everything in between.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

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[Freddy Rodriguez]

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[Wilmer Valderrama]

people right now is to value time, to be cognizant of time and how important time is, because once the time is up, it's up and then that's it.

[Freddy Rodriguez]

And the relationships, collaborations, and even the failures that pushed us to grow. And the common denominator is that we have the same people with us since like 30 years, 40 years ago, right? Like, we have a lot of the same homies that stuck around.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

Plus, the door always stays open for a third amigo to pull up a chair. Listen to Dos Amigos as part of the Michael Tuda Podcast Network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I went and sat on the little ottoman in front of him.

[Danny Trejo]

Hi, dad.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen and

[Mandy B]

she says, I have some cookies and milk.

[Jason Rodriguez]

This is badass. Convict me just finished buying you. I'm gonna have cookies and milk at mom.

[Danny Trejo]

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[Jason Rodriguez]

I'm an alcoholic, and without this program, I'm gonna die.

[Danny Trejo]

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[Mandy B]

Well, let's go ahead and get into the mess. Okay, we'll start with. Do we wanna start with this as America, or do we wanna start with celebrities, say the darnest things and do a versus recap at the top? Where do we wanna start first, Jason? What you think?

[Jason Rodriguez]

I think. I think the versus recap's gonna be real small, real short.

I think it should be.

[Mandy B]

Let's start political here. We're gonna start political at the top. Let's start off what happened with Drew Ski this week, Jason?

[Jason Rodriguez]

So Drew Ski posted one of his sketches this week that I'm sure we've all watched by now. This one was titled How Conservative White Women in America Act. And in this skit, a lot of people feel like he was going at Erica Kirk, which is the wife of the late Charlie, allegedly. And there was a lot of laughs. But as typical with this, a lot of selective ignorance and fake outrage.

[Mandy B]

Okay, so there was a lot of conversation, too, about whether or not we could be mad then. If black people can do whiteface, why then can white people still not do blackface and it be a thing? Now, the other conversation that I saw was, if you offend everybody, then nobody should be offended as well, because what they came to Drew Ski's defense in was that he's done Dominicans, he's done white people, he's done black people, he's done. And so it's like, you can't be mad. But I wanted to know that if there was a white comedian that essentially was doing the same type of skits and did blackface, would we be upset around it?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Would we be like, oh, yeah?

[Mandy B]

And so why. So I'm not gonna lie. This is where I'm like, wait a second.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

They've been doing blackface since the advent of the television.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So my point, for a specific reason,

[Aaron A. King Howard]

since that shit was wired up and had the shit in it, that's when blackface. You know what I mean? We've been experiencing blackface for over 100 years.

[Mandy B]

Well, I even know, like, if you go all the way back to 1800s, early 1900s, for certain plays and Broadway and things like that, especially on stage, they would get into blackface because black people weren't being hired to do those roles. And, you know, they weren't allowed into those spaces.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But that's why. But that's the difference.

[Mandy B]

Why you laughing like that?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I just hear like the, you know, the nuance, like, come over here, boy. The jargon is like, oh, my God. Yeah, they've been doing.

[Mandy B]

I mean, to me.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So, Mandy, for clarity, are you equating like ethnic jokes? Like, if you're going after Dominicans or any other culture, ethnic jokes and blackface, are you equating them or. They're distinctly different to me.

[Mandy B]

What I'm saying is, and I know this is my ignorant thought, this was my ignorant thought. To me, if you're out here offending everyone, then the idea that now they gotta stop because of our sensitivity as a culture, it's like confused. Like, a part of me is like, okay, if he could do this to Asians, whites and everybody, and we laugh. Then if a white comedian does the same thing and offends everybody, his own people, and then goes to talk about black people, I just don't understand how we get to do it. And they don't. I know that sounds crazy.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It won't land right. Well, the history is. I mean, for everything that y' all just said, like, the history of blackface is about racism. The history of whiteface. There is no history of white face. There is no history because it doesn't even exist. It's us just making fun of you. But beyond all. But beyond the historical semantics of it, my answer is like, fuck y'. All. Like, y' all don't get to claim nothing. The rules is different. The rules have been different for us. Right? The rules are different for y'. All. We can do what we want to do and y' all niggas can't. And that's the rule. If y' all want to come on here and say nigga at the concert, you will say nigga to certain black people. Maybe there's some your black friends that'll let you rock out. But if you get beat the fuck up, like, who's going to come save you? Who's going to come, like, rescue you? Like, it is what it is.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I think the disqualifier in there is that we find humor in making fun at our. The descendants of the oppressor.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, right.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

So that's like the light hearted way of not saying, you know, all is well. But it's like, hey, laugh before you cry. Right? So I think that if a white person does it, it won't land well because they've been doing it already since before the 1920s. So it's like, yeah, they're doing it to mock black people. Now we got a question. Oh, okay. Is there a hidden message behind their intent? Drew Ski, we not doing that. Cause he done. He gave all his comedy to everybody thus far.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Even, like, guys like Godfrey, when they do impersonations of different cultures, the dialect, it's like, okay, it's cool if Gary Owen did it.

[Mandy B]

Okay.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

And I'm not singling him out, but, I mean, he wouldn't do it.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I don't think white people. I don't think white people could actually be. I don't think they're actually mad about people making racist jokes about white people. I just don't believe them. I think all that shit is fake. All that is a performance. This shit is a lie. Y' all don't care about people calling you cracker. You don't care about people making fun of white people. I just don't believe them.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

White people call white people cracker.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, they want to be mad. They want. They want to find a way to reverse racism and all these other things to make it equal. We want our racism, too. No, you don't have no racism.

Do they wanna be mad, or do they want to use that to then make y' all not be mad?

Well, yes. They're weaponizing the idea of, like. Well, y' all are always mad about us being racist. We can be mad at y' all for being racist, too. Like, no, no, you can't.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

We not racist. We not racist by the definition of what racist is.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like, we're making fun of you. We're joking about you. We're clowning you. But, like, it is what it is. Like, yeah, move on.

Move on.

Like, I don't believe they actually care. Like. Cause based on what? Oh, my God. Black people don't like me. Like, that hurts you. Like, you care. Like, I don't believe that shit.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

You know Candace Owens. I don't know if you guys saw.

[Mandy B]

Yes, Candace Owens got a. By the way, she got a kick out of this kick.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Oh, she was.

[Mandy B]

I do think she hates Erica. I think she hates Erica Kirk. Cause I think she was sucking Charlie dick. I think that they had alleged.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I wouldn't surprise. Allegedly.

[Mandy B]

It's all alleged. I just feel like the way that she revered Charlie and the way she talked about him, the way she hated Erica was like. You liked that?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah. All the signs.

[Mandy B]

Y' all wasn't just besties or just.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Candace is the girlfriend crying at the funeral that everyone looks back and be like, who the Fuck is she?

[Mandy B]

That's what he gave. It was given that Candace had a real emotional tie to this man. And it wasn't supposed to, because the way she talks about Erica now is

[Jason Rodriguez]

like, yeah, she hates that lady.

[Mandy B]

Oh, you hate that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And I never heard her say a word about Erica Kirk before Charlie died.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

She might have to, because she was

[Mandy B]

Olivia Pope with the president, with Fitzgerald. She was. They had a certain relationship.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yes.

[Mandy B]

That I genuinely feel like this way now, mind you, I don't know anything.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

We don't know. This is all alleged speculation.

[Mandy B]

But the way that she talks about

[Jason Rodriguez]

her, the way Candace was going on about J.D. vance potentially fucking Erica Kirk, the whole thing is like, let me throw the scent off and, like, let me help push this narrative over there to keep me a little bit clean. Cause people might be looking at me crazy. So let me just push this thing. That's what it was getting about J.D. vance.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I believe she knows some shit.

[Jason Rodriguez]

She might know some shit about a

[Aaron A. King Howard]

homegirl and her, you know, whatever she's been doing.

[Mandy B]

I will say, by the way, I just would also like to publicly say I think she is great. Candace Owen.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Candace.

[Mandy B]

How she comes across, like, as a podcaster, as a voice. Now, listen, look, Jason, fix your face. Pixie face. Jason, we are.

[Jason Rodriguez]

My head is tilted to the side.

[Mandy B]

No, literally, the way his face looks.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Jason.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

She was Heavy sins.

[Mandy B]

Now, I'm not gonna hold you. I think that she's phenomenal at.

[Jason Rodriguez]

She's a great presenter.

[Mandy B]

A presenter.

[Jason Rodriguez]

She's talent. She's very talented.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Let me ask you, is she phenomenal? Because she piped down on her conservative rhetoric, and she leaned on this side of the court.

[Mandy B]

You know what's crazy?

[Jason Rodriguez]

But I don't think she's leaning. Yeah. I feel like she's just, like, meddlesome and messy, but she does it in, like, a polished way that makes, like, everybody mad, but everybody listen at the same time.

[Mandy B]

Yes. And that's the thing. Do I agree with everything she says? No. But I love how she, as a woman, just like you said, it's a polished way of getting your opinion across. She's a pot stirrer. She's controversial. And I wish that there were more women that just got to sit like that. Like, to me, I feel like me and her are very much, very similar.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I'm sure y' all would have. I like her, or I think y' all would have a real interesting conversation.

[Mandy B]

You know what's crazy? I would have to not only read more. I feel like I would have to go to some sort of speech coach. I am so insecure with how she speaks and how she's able to get her thoughts across and say it out right. I'm not confident enough. I don't think so.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

You need the same person who converted Kanye. That.

[Mandy B]

No.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You know who did?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

When he switched that year.

[Mandy B]

No.

[Jason Rodriguez]

When he turned off to Chicago and turned on the Calabasas.

[Mandy B]

Yeah. Y. Yo, that was like, who is this guy?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Wait, what?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

And shout out to the original Candace Owens.

[Mandy B]

Who's the original Candace Owens?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Stacey Dash.

[Mandy B]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I think I feel like Stacey Dash

[Mandy B]

is someone that nobody ever wanted to hear. We all just wanted to look at her.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Stacey Dash.

[Mandy B]

And then when she started talking, then it started making her look ugly, look crazy. She just was crazy. She sounded crazy.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Nutty.

[Mandy B]

No Stacey Dash for me. Speaking of Kanye, that her running through the airport. Y' all remember that video? I'm sorry. Now I'm sounding like a.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That falls down.

[Mandy B]

The best I've ever seen. Stacey Dash, though.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

You got the best of both worlds. You could just.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You can pass.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

You could go anywhere you want sometimes.

[Mandy B]

That was the best. That actually is my favorite Kanye video where we don't see Kanye.

[Jason Rodriguez]

We don't see Kanye at all. In no way, shape, or form.

[Mandy B]

I also would never wear that to the airport. That ass was jiggling. She had on heels. I was like, you weren't really trying to make your plate.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, Nah, nah.

[Mandy B]

Like, there's no way.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Her priorities were.

[Mandy B]

Her priorities was like, bitch, you trying to find one in the lounge.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I don't even have a ticket. I just want one of these niggas to buy me a ticket right now. Cause I look this good in the airport.

[Mandy B]

And, baby, I would have put you first class. And then you would have talked, and I would have been like, go back to your car.

[Jason Rodriguez]

All right, enough of that.

[Mandy B]

All right. All right, Jason, what we got up next?

[Jason Rodriguez]

So next we have the Bachelorette gets canceled. ABC canceled the 22nd season of the reality show that was going to star the Secret Lives of Morven Wives personality Taylor Frankie Paul. If anybody's ever watched the Mormon Wives show, Taylor Frankie Paul is the star of it. She's known for being in a few tumultuous relationships with the father of her children. And there was a video that went viral of her where she was getting into a domestic violence situation. Play with her current boo.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So let's just.

[Mandy B]

Because I want y' all to have a fresh look at what this was, what was being said. And. Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And then here it goes right here.

[Mandy B]

Y be a little mad at me.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So. And it has a trigger warning for anybody who. It says here TMZ released its 2023 video from Taylor Frankie Paul's arrest for domestic violence.

[Mandy B]

No, stop. Dude.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Leave me alone.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Oh, my God.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Your daughter.

That thing was pointing out she's out of control.

[Mandy B]

My gosh. Oh, my. She just.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You.

[Mandy B]

You stuck.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's somebody who completely lost.

[Mandy B]

Let me go. O. Yeah, yeah.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

He know what's coming in, right?

[Mandy B]

Listen. So that video is a lot. It's hard to watch. And there are conversations about producers actually knowing that this video footage did exist and still went forward with having this woman. She has spoken about domestic violence previously. She is a felon. Yep.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Pleaded guilty.

[Mandy B]

She has two baby daddies and children with two different men. So. Also listening to Higher Learning this week, Rachel Lindsay spoke about how pristine she had to be as a black woman to even show up on that show. And so, interestingly enough, this is where we're at. By the way, the cancellation of this show has cost the network about about $60 million.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Wow.

Yup.

[Mandy B]

This is, like, a huge. A big loss for abc. But I wanted to get into the responses that I've seen from this that are very troublesome to me because it comes to a point where I get double standards. We just talked about the double standards in terms of blackface and whiteface. Right. For me, what I've been seeing this week is absolutely disgusting and a swing of the pendulum. That just does not look healthy for anybody. And when I say that, it's the amount of women who are excusing this behavior, the amount of people who excuse women who abuse men. And there's another word that was just introduced to me in a lot of people's defense this week, and it was reactive abuse. Now, reactive abuse. Let me give y' all the definition. Reactive abuse happens when a victim of abuse reacts to that abuse in a way which would include physical violence or shouting of their own. This isn't because the victim is an abuser. Rather, that they have been a victim of abuse for such a period of time that then they lash out. Here is my full problem with this, by the way. If you are currently sitting at your desk or you're sitting in a place, I would love for you right now to go on Twitter, go to the search bar and type in reactive abuse. I want to read some of the people who are defending this behavior. By the way, these are women. It says Reactive abuse is a setup. A narcissist pokes, provokes, nitpicks, insults, gaslights, and keeps grinding away at you until you finally explode. The moment you react, they flip the script and pretend you're the real problem. They focus on your outbursts and ignore everything they did to push you there. It's a control move. Here we go. Taylor. Frankie Paul video is wild and 100% recorded out of reactive abuse. She does suck for throwing chairs and acting like that in front of a child, but he only started recording to protect himself and prove a point after he provoked her to get to that point. Reactive abuse anyways, literally go. Basically, there's a but in almost all of these tweets defending the reason as to why she hit him. She threw chairs at him, but it's because he provoked her. Here's the thing. When we have men put their hands on women, the but is never said. Do you not think that there was some provocation as to why he got to that point in abusing a woman? There's always some sort of provocation, but to sit here and make excuses for women being able to put their hands on men is fucking insane to me. I think what it also does is it creates this dynamic of allowance to a woman being able to abuse a man. And it's kind of what we see happen in terms of men just never being able to be a victim of abuse, whether it's physical or whether it's sexual. Like people laughed at Terry Crews when he came out about being sexually assaulted. We have, like a level playing field right now where men are finally speaking up about their abuse and no one gives a fuck because apparently men are these violent, criminal animals in all essences and can't be a victim to abuse. This video and the response to this, even the ABC producers moving forward after knowing that she was a violent person, is a conversation that I wish we were having more. Ladies, you cannot put your fucking hands on these men. Whether they are emotionally abusing you or you're in this tumultuous relationship. You saying that he pushed you to a point to excuse you for laying hands on him to me doesn't make sense in any world or lens.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So I hadn't heard that phrase before either until you dropped it in the chat. So I looked at. I didn't see the tweets. I did a Google search to look it up, and I found a website that essentially gave that same definition of a abused person who is now acting out against their abuser, but they're not

[Mandy B]

even Though they are abusing, they're not the abuser.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Correct. Yeah.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Right.

[Jason Rodriguez]

The idea is that this person isn't an abuser. This person is reacting to being violated.

[Mandy B]

You know what's crazy about that, too? In no sense when a man commits that is there an excuse for his reaction. Like, essentially, yeah, there's not good. You know what I mean? Like, there's nothing.

[Jason Rodriguez]

The rule is, keep your hands on your.

[Mandy B]

The rule is that a man should never touch a woman. But with what's happening now is a woman has a reason. If a man pushes her too far, it's okay for her to whoop ass.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So the thing in my. In researching this just a little bit, the thing that I. The first question I had to ask myself in seeing this definition is, where does this term come from? Is this a clinical term that doctors are using or is this a legal term? In. In the research that I did, I found out that it's neither.

[Mandy B]

Oh, so this made up for women to. To not be held accountable for their actions?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Well, what the. What the. From what I saw is that it's a word that therapists use, but it's not like a clinical. It's not defined as, like a clinical active behavior. It's essentially a word that people use that therapists use in those cases. Because to me, there's layers to this whole thing. Right. I understand the idea of reactive abuse. I understand the concept of if you are mistreating somebody, if you're abusing someone, that person has gone through psychological trauma that's going to make them act up. And not to reduce it to this, but it reminds me of 11 in Stranger Things, right? They abused this little girl. They fucked her up, did these experiments on her, and now she's kind of like, unpredictable. She might spaz out and she might have. She has his power. She might lose it on you. But there's also the level of, like, self defense. Like, what is the line of reactive abuse and self defense?

[Mandy B]

Well, and that's the thing. For this, you were hauling. Hauling stools.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Across the.

[Mandy B]

By the way, do y' all want to know what's disgusting about this? And women. Y' all are disgusting. Do you know that there's now a

[Jason Rodriguez]

TikTok trend for this.

[Mandy B]

Hold on. There's a TikTok trend right now. I have it saved. There's a TikTok trend of women literally picking up stools and saying, when my man gets on my nerves, this is what I want to do. And it's them reenacting, throwing. Throwing bar Stools.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I love it.

[Mandy B]

Why?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

The men who are on TikTok should take an account of all the women that doing that dumb shit and just make a list. You know what I mean? I'm like, you know, that's stupid.

[Mandy B]

Very.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

That's a crazy trend.

[Mandy B]

Here we go. Women on TikTok are now fantasizing about beating their man with a barstool.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

There's no man in these videos, right?

[Mandy B]

No. And it's literally a trend of women. Look.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Picking up bar stools, going across the.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Well, those are miserable women.

[Mandy B]

Clearly things I'd wish I'd done to my abusive ex. Honestly, let a man try me. This is another one. Oh, wait, let me. Let me even play this. This clip real quick. I saw that video of Taylor hitting her man. I was like, good. He probably deserved it. I wonder what he did to make her act like that. But, but, but. But also, we can never ask that question when a man lays their hands on a woman. I wonder what she did to deserve it.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I mean, they tried that with Chris Brown and Rihanna.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

That's a good. I mean, this is.

[Mandy B]

But also, Chris Brown and Rihanna.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, they tried. They threw him out.

[Mandy B]

Rihanna admitted to hitting him. She was beating him with a shoe in that car, allegedly. And I think they both shared accounts of this.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

That would qualify as, he reacted.

[Mandy B]

The world canceled him forever.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Well, that's.

[Mandy B]

But there's a woman that also was very abusive to him, and he snapped. This is the thing. I just hate that. There's no accountability for abusive women. And now we have a TikTok trend of women lifting barstools.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah. I don't know. The TikTok trend thing is crazy.

[Mandy B]

It's disgusting. Because men couldn't all come together and

[Aaron A. King Howard]

be like, oh, wish I punched soccer to the moon.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like, that shit is not gonna. No, that's just.

It's not gonna link.

[Mandy B]

It's disgusting.

[Jason Rodriguez]

What would.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Who.

[Mandy B]

No, let's go. Do not be that ignorant and start coming up with what men can do for TikTok.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Like, what would be the instrument now? I'm just.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I'm joking.

[Mandy B]

The bat behind you. You know what I mean? Listen, bitch, you can't do it. It's disgusting. And so for me, like, I just hate that we're in this. We're in a space where we're recognizing victims. We want victims to speak out. We want to believe that we care about victims, and yet when it comes to men, there's no protection.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

We need a reset.

[Mandy B]

There's just not.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Well, the thing in this case, too Is that, like, again, the reason I wanted to know if that term was either clinical or legal, because that would change a lot about what that term can mean. What power does that term have? And so she pled guilty to this crime. Like, she didn't even fight it. So, like, she did her time. She didn't even fight the fact that she did it.

[Mandy B]

She didn't even fight it.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So there's nothing. Right. So there's nothing to. To me, there's no reason to look back at it and be like, well, what did he do? First off, none of them people are asking that question, were there or no. I researched whether that guy had ever been arrested or not. He's never been arrested. No, no, no, it doesn't. No, it doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't do anything. But I don't see, like, there was one incident that they had in 2017 that I read about where the police said, basically, they both threw accusations at each other. He says she did something to me. She says he did something to her. Nothing came of it. It was what it was. But. But she can't. You can't use this term to get away with putting your hands on people. If you're a woman and you put your. Somebody, especially if there's video of you doing it. Reactive abuse ain't gonna save you from jail. The cops are gonna come there, they're gonna see the situation, and they're gonna take your ass to prison and you're gonna get a felony, like this lady did. So, like, so don't think that. Reactive abuse, whether it's. Whether it has merits or not, is not something that's gonna save you or protect you from putting your hands on something.

[Mandy B]

Ladies, stop putting your hands on.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Don't do it.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Keep the hands.

[Jason Rodriguez]

If I could just to add, like, an end point to it all.

[Mandy B]

It's.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It's interesting listening to it all, because it reminds me of, like. Like our conversation with the Drew Ski discourse where we're saying, like, Republicans or conservatives, and we're trying to figure out, like, you know, like, how genuine or disingenuous they are with their points, right? And it's. Are you really mad at this idea of reverse racism, or are you just trying to, like, gaslight black folks so the next one they, you know, they can get to get back, right? And for this, it's like, yeah. Although I do agree, like, women shouldn't put their hands on men, and obviously men shouldn't put their hands on women. I do wonder, like, how genuine men are. When they're like. I feel like they get the ball and they're, like, spiking it, and they're like, yeah, see, this always happens. Or they're loud in a way to sort of, like, silence women for, like, the next go around. Oh, that's the part that I worry about. But, like, to your point, Mandy, like, yes, obviously, like, you know, there's consequences to any things you do. So it's like, if women do it, whether it's reactionary behavior or not, like, you know, it's. It's warranted, could be legal or not, or just, like, on a moral tip. But I still don't want it to be like, I don't want to rush to defend men. I don't know if this makes me sound awful, but it's like, nah, I

[Mandy B]

ain't gonna hold you.

[Jason Rodriguez]

We don't deserve this.

I do doubt, like, how serious it

[Mandy B]

would be with the claim this is literally women. Not. This is a clear example of women not knowing how to hold. Hold themselves accountable.

[Jason Rodriguez]

For sure.

[Mandy B]

For sure.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, this one is out of. Yeah, this one is out of control. But I understand what Jason is saying as far as, like, this doesn't for. For a man who's looking to be like, also, we're all. We're also the victim, and so we're not the abuser all the time. It's like, oh, we know that, like, every. Every man is an abuser. Every woman is an abuser. But, like, this case is like, this is. Yeah, you're wild.

[Mandy B]

This is wild.

[John Green]

I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of the Fault in Our Stars. And now, I guess also as the co host of the Away Episode, a brand new world soccer podcast.

[Daniel Alarcon]

I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer and journalist, and John and I have known each other since we were kids. My first World cup was Mexico, 86. I was nine years old. I watched every game, and I fell in love. On our new podcast, the Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup.

[John Green]

For us, soccer, football is a story we've shared for over 30 years, since Daniel was the star player on our high school soccer team.

[Daniel Alarcon]

Very debatable.

[John Green]

And I was their most loyal and sometimes only fan. I love this game. I love its history, its hope, its heartbreak, and above all, its beauty.

[Daniel Alarcon]

Together we'll find out why. Of all the unimportant things football, soccer is the most important.

[John Green]

Listen to the Away End with Daniel Alarcon and John green on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get

[Amy Robach]

your podcasts on the Adventures of Curiosity Cove podcast. What if the right fit isn't what everyone expects? In the case of the Right Fit, Ella explores movement, confidence and belonging and learns that not all strength looks the same. Tennis is powerful, fast, focused and kind of fun. Strong swing, Ella. This Women's History Month story introduces kids to women who change sports by trusting themselves and moving differently. A thoughtful episode about identity, courage, and helping kids discover where they truly belong. So it's okay if I'm not quite sure what my thing is yet? It's absolutely okay when and if you do find a sport you love, you may be the next Gertrude, Tony or Venus at Curiosity. Listen to Adventures of Curiosity Cove every Monday from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Iris Palmer]

I'm Iris Palmer and my new podcast is called Against All Odds. And that's exactly what the show is about. Doing whatever it takes to beat the odds. Get ready to hear from some of your favorite entrepreneurs and entertainers as they share stories about defying expectations, overcoming barriers, and breaking generational patterns. I'm talking to people like award winning actress, producer and director Eva Longoria.

[Iris Palmer's guest]

I think I had like $200 in my savings account and my mom goes, what are you gonna do? And I was like, I'll figure it out. We had a one bedroom apartment for like $400 a month and we all could not afford. Like, I was like, how am I gonna make a hundred dollars a month?

[Iris Palmer]

I'm opening up like I've never before. For those of you who think you know me from what you've seen on social media, get ready to see a whole new side of me.

[Mandy B]

Me.

[Iris Palmer]

Listen to Against All Odds with Iris Palmer as part of the My Cultura Podcast Network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

Hey, I'm Wilmer Valderrama and this is Freddy Rodriguez.

[Freddy Rodriguez]

Welcome back to Dos Amigos.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

Dos Amigos, Season two, baby.

[Freddy Rodriguez]

This time we're going even deeper into our careers, our lives, our art, and everything in between.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

Each episode emanates from our very own speakeasy where we swap stories about about the moments that really shaped us on and off camera.

[Freddy Rodriguez]

What do we invest in right now? What is the immediate advice you give

[Wilmer Valderrama]

people right now is to value time, to be cognizant of time and how important time is. Because once the time is up, it's up. And Then that's it.

[Freddy Rodriguez]

And the relationships, collaborations, and even the failures that pushed us to grow. The common denominator is that we have the same people with us since, like, 30, 40 years ago.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Right?

[Freddy Rodriguez]

Like, we have a lot of the same homies that stuck around.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

Plus, the door always stays open for a third amigo to pull up a chair. Listen to Dos Amigos as part of the Michael Tuda podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I went and sat on the little ottoman in front of him. I hi, dad. And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen.

[Mandy B]

She says, I have some cookies and milk.

[Jason Rodriguez]

This is badass. Convict Me just finished five years. I'm gonna have cookies and milk at mom.

[Danny Trejo]

On the Steno show podcast, each episode invites you into a raw, unfiltered conversations about recovery, resilience, and redemption. On a recent episode, I sit down with actor cultural icon Danny Trail. Talk about addiction transformation and the power of sex second chances. The entire season two is now available to binge, featuring powerful conversations with guests like Tiffany, Adish, Johnny Knoxville, and more.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I'm an alcoholic, and without this trope, I'm a die.

[Danny Trejo]

Open your free iHeartRadio app, search the Cino show and listen now.

[Mandy B]

All right, music time. Let's get into celebrities say the darnest thing. But let's start with. Did everybody watch Versus last week?

[Jason Rodriguez]

I watched a piece of it.

[Mandy B]

I ain't gonna hold you. I was real auntie with it. I was in a bubble bath, had my phone, like, leaned on the candle.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You ready for this one, baby?

[Mandy B]

I was like, bitch, you're old. It was a Thursday night. I had the bubble. Hold on. And a glass of peanut butter.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I was gonna say, I know you was drinking something. And I had the peanut. Peanut Griggio.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

She said she old, but there's another word that she need to add to that.

[Mandy B]

What?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

And rich.

[Mandy B]

Okay, no, no, no, no. Don't be putting my money out there like that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It's like I'm have me some me time. I'm gonna watch this verses.

[Mandy B]

Oh, yeah, the tub is nice too. I got a nice tub, but yeah. Thoughts? By the way, it went exactly as I thought.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah.

I was gonna say, did it live

[Mandy B]

up to the billing Molly Watts? Tyrese, I think.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

No, I don't think it was Molly Watts. I don't like. In my assessment, it wasn't about a winner. It was exactly. They put on a show. They showed their friendship, they showed their.

[Mandy B]

They showed their Tumultuous.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Friendship. I was gonna say that was my main comment about.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Tank was on offense too much. I felt he was just like, all right, dude, relax. Yo, Tank, you. Tyrese, you. What you doing back there? You know? Then the thing he did with the turtleneck was cool.

[Mandy B]

They were snapping each other that turtleneck.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

And then, you know, we kind of agreed that we thought we was gonna see a genuine sighting.

[Mandy B]

Well, apparently.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Apparently, he missed his flight, right? He missed his flight because of tsa TSA Shout out to tsa TSA Lies. But I think it was dope. It was one of the. It was a good one, definitely.

[Mandy B]

I thought it was good. I thought it was dope. What's crazy is I forgot how great Tank is as not only a performer, but a singer. I got to go to his. His stint on Hell's Kitchen on Broadway. So he was a part of the Alicia Keys Hell's Kitchen Broadway show, and he got me tickets there. Cause he came on my other podcast, and just phenomenal.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Just friends.

[Mandy B]

I mean, just a little.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I was waiting for that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like, oh, yeah, yeah, Tank.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

He sent me a Tank.

[Mandy B]

Tank said, pull up to me. I'm on Broadway.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Tank sent me a Tank when I rolled to the show.

[Mandy B]

You know, I'm different. Oh, he. But he sang down.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B]

And so. And also, though, I did just get to see Tyrese perform as well, because Tyrese came out at. I believe it was the Keyshia Cole concert.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Okay.

[Mandy B]

So he came out and sang a little bit there. Again, great. But it's what I knew, because there's no pen there. He just didn't have enough song.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, there's not enough. There's not enough. There wasn't enough ton of bullets in that mag, yo.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

When Tank said, why you ain't playing off? Why you ain't record perform nothing off Black tie, right? I was like, oh, he went there.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Tank was talking a lot,

[Aaron A. King Howard]

yo. He was talking shit.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He was talking shit. A lot of shit.

[Mandy B]

Which to me is like, I do wonder what their relationship currently is then, because we do know that. Tgt.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It didn't work out.

[Mandy B]

It didn't work out.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Right.

[Mandy B]

And right now, Tank is essentially the bigger artist.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Sure. Profile wise.

[Mandy B]

Profile wise. I think right now he's in his. He's right now in his.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Tank being Tank and RB money being a successful form of wow. So it's like, Tyrese doesn't have anything. Tyrese got Transformers, and this nigga got, like, a whole.

[Mandy B]

Not only does he have Transformers, these

[Aaron A. King Howard]

n said they don't want Come on, man. Like, really?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Because even fast and furious.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Fast and furious.

[Mandy B]

This nigga's on the Internet crying, can we make another one? Guys, be my friend. Like, he's. It's given. Like, they don't fuck with him either. Even in the movie space right now.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Last year at the festival, at the Black Effect podcast festival, Tyrese was. They was a three man, triple him. Jay Valentine and Tank, he pulled up, they left together, came together, paused and hey, you. And you could see the brotherhood. You know what I mean? So that's why I was like, okay, I know.

[Mandy B]

I was trying to. I told. I was trying to get Jay Valentine to go to the strip club, but he say he don't go. He says he's not a strip club guy. And I was like, no, let me get.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

You do more light skinned n go to strip clubs than dark skinned nigga.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I don't be seeing light skinned niggas in the strip club.

[Mandy B]

You know what? Think about it.

[Jason Rodriguez]

One thing about the strip club, I don't be.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Cause light skinned niggas get all the girls already.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, my God.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

That's why Jay Valentine was like, nah, I'm.

[Mandy B]

Jay Valentine literally was like, yeah, I don't do strip clubs. And I was like, man, let me take you to the strip club. It's Atlanta. You gotta go come for food. It's like a kitchen, you know, like,

[Jason Rodriguez]

yeah, you gotta sell them that Atlanta Hawks package. Like, hey, it's just. It's just wings and a good time.

[Mandy B]

You can literally have a lobster or steak. I love tricking people to go to the strip club in Atlanta. Like, but it's an experience. Like, it's dinner. We're going to a restaurant with live entertainment.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

We got tricked.

[Mandy B]

You know, you pretty much gotta sell it. Like, you ever been to Medieval Times? It's like that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It's Medieval Times with titties.

[Mandy B]

Medieval Times with titties.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, that's what the strip club. That's all that is. Don't trip.

[Mandy B]

You could literally probably get a turkey leg. Like, you probably could.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Somebody in the back probably got a big ass smoker.

[Mandy B]

I'm telling you. You could get a lemon pepper here. You could get a lemon pepper turkey leg.

[Jason Rodriguez]

100%.

[Mandy B]

I ain't even gonna hold you. I just sent my homegirl a video. Do you know they have a lemon pepper matcha drink here, man, we doing a lot.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I try that. I'll try that.

[Mandy B]

Lemon pepper matcha. I am going. Have you seen it? Mind you, it's a black owned spot.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Of course, of Course I would hope so.

[Mandy B]

Lemon pepper Matcha. I'm gonna send you the clip.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Who owns a Pinky cold?

[Mandy B]

Don't do that.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

That would be a crazy white. If white people really want to cosplay black, like, like, oh, I think, yo, imagine they start.

[Mandy B]

Don't do that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It's a dirty game.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

That would be. That would be kind of tough. I ain't going to lie.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Can't put it past a colonizer.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

If they mock Atlanta culture.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You cannot put it past the colonizer.

[Mandy B]

I'm not going to lie.

[Jason Rodriguez]

There would be riots in the streets.

[Mandy B]

I would laugh internally. I would laugh internally.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I'm not a strip club. I'm not a strip club person. Is interesting to me. I've heard that a couple of times this week. I think, like, people like Jay Valentine should be like, if you're not a strip club person, like, but we're a strip club group and I'm a part of the group right now and I gotta do the group activity. Like, I don't. I don't. I feel like people, like, they spite themselves out of the, like, the group activity, as if it says something about themselves. You missed an opportunity, J. Valentine.

[Mandy B]

Wait, wait. But you wanna know what's interesting about your theory? So my ex, we had this conversation and he doesn't do strip clubs because he went to a strip club one time and he thought the girl really liked him. And when the conversation ended because he. Fine, fine. N. Can't believe that they gotta pay a bitch to talk. Like, he really thought that the girl liked him. And when he got up, he was like, yo, we sat there and talked. I thought we were connecting and vibing.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He was at a job.

[Mandy B]

He was at a place that'll be $200.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Like I said, how they get you?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, I sat here through 20 songs.

[Mandy B]

It's so. So he was like, no, why would I go pay for attention. Like, because he's an attractive man and

[Aaron A. King Howard]

so he light skinned.

[Mandy B]

Of course he's. I mean, he's.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

She bruised the light skinned ego. She bruised that shit.

[Mandy B]

It did.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

He was lured. Like, yeah, I got. Yeah, Christopher, he waiting for the number exchange. He thought she say, run that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, there's a number exchange. All right.

[Mandy B]

Run that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

There's a number exchange for sure.

[Mandy B]

All right, let's get a little deeper here. Usher made rounds on the blogs this week and tell me why Jason.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So Usher had some confessions in an interview with Forbes. He defended Diddy. He obviously spoke from his own personal experiences and said that he's never seen anything unruly or unjust. And for his personal opinion, he still defends Diddy and says he's a good person. Obviously, people couldn't separate anything. But let's go with the clip.

All right,

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Here we go with the clip.

[Jay-Z]

Y' all in the same way, I think many people choose to look past the reality of what our country is, the standards that we now stand on. We can't ignore the reality of the history. But many ways, I think certain people are prosecuted and maybe not recognized for the greatness, you know, that they offer. I don't have anything negative to say about Sean Combs because my experience was not what the world has seen and how he's been, you know, misrepresented. I'm not saying that every man is perfect. I'm not saying that all of us don't have flaws. But I can't, with any sense of humanity, not recognize the valuable contributions that this man made for us as black entrepreneurs, for us as businessmen, for us as people who transition, you know, culture and ideas into something that's tangible and becomes business. So many people benefit.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I just want to stop it, because I just want to point out to a homie he's talking to and. And the way he's looking at us. Jon, can you describe the way he's looking at him?

Nigga, please. That's the look that homie has on his face looking at Usher say that. Dumb.

[Mandy B]

What. What were yalls thoughts on this?

[Jason Rodriguez]

It's it. That's clearly a defense of Diddy. Like, he said, the man has been misrepresented. He said that, you know, that he wasn't. He's all he was. He. He suggested that perhaps Diddy was being singled out, persecuted, because America has all kinds of criminals and bad people, people who aren't being held to account. So why did they pick it? That's like a hotep special. It's like number one with fries on a hotel fucking burger menu. And then he talks about that's not my personal experience, and so I can't say anything bad. Why does it have to be your personal experience to see that he stomped Cassie out barefoot and chased her down the hall in a hotel? Why does it have to be your personal experience that this shit happened at City College? Why does it have to be your personal experience with some of the allegations about what he may or may not have to do with Tupac getting shot? Like, it doesn't have to be your personal experience. I get it. That's your homie. We know that. That's your homie. But he said he reminds me of the. You know, you see the monkeys with the. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Like, that's what he reminds me of.

[Mandy B]

Do you. How do you think he should have answered that question?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Well, first of all, what was the question that he was asked? Because in the clip, this shows him responding. I don't know exactly what he was asked, but if he was asked, for example, if he was asked, what do you think about what's happened to Sean Combs at this point? He can say it's his right to say, that's my friend and our relationship and whatever else. But also, you sound naive, biased and a little bit stupid. Trying to act like everything that we've seen, we didn't see.

[Mandy B]

Here's. Is that not just him being human, though? Like, have you ever defended someone that did wrong? Have you ever went and visited a friend in jail who committed a crime? Has anyone in your family or your friends ever done wrong to someone else that you still were able to see them as who you knew them as? Because when I see this, I'm like,

[Jason Rodriguez]

to me, there's a difference, though.

[Mandy B]

What is the difference?

[Jason Rodriguez]

The difference is that if my friend or loved one or whatever it is, did something wrong, went to jail, was obviously like, caught doing the wrong thing, I'm not gonna go in public and act like that didn't happen. I can defend my friend and say, that's my friend and I still love this person and they did a terrible thing, they did a fucked up thing and I still love that person. And if the public judges me for that, then it just is what it is. I'm not gonna stop loving that person. I don't think anyone is coming at Usher for saying, I still love Sean Cone. But to only be like, I only see good things and I don't. Bad things hurt me and good things make me feel good. Like, that's just naive and disingenuous when

[Aaron A. King Howard]

he said that we gotta acknowledge him

[Jason Rodriguez]

for his contributions, right?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I'm summarizing. I think that's the problem we have. We do. And it hurt us as a community who support him to know that he's done these things. And I think that's the discourse with the communities. We know how great the nigga is. We know his contributions.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He's never not been celebrated.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

It's just that now that we see that other part of it is like, fuck it. Chips away from our inspiration of how we was inspired by him or those who are.

[Mandy B]

But that's the thing, y'. All. But maybe with Usher, it doesn't like. So it's weird. So I had like two of these type of instances literally this week. And this actually made me think of my dad. Okay, so my uncle molested my cousin, okay. For years. He went to jail for it. Did 10 years, came out. And of course, clearly my family's like, fuck my uncle.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Right?

[Mandy B]

However, my uncle is my dad's brother. And so my dad opened up his hometown when he got out of jail before he got deported, cuz that was sent back to Jamaica.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But, yeah, this was a minute ago. This is like years ago.

[Mandy B]

This was a couple years ago. A few years ago.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Under Biden, I'm just.

[Jason Rodriguez]

No, no, no, that's. That's why. That's literally why. That's literally why I.

[Mandy B]

He got deported, I think because of. He did his time here and then

[Jason Rodriguez]

they got to get out.

[Mandy B]

But I remember the conversations around the family being upset that my dad would do that, but also the nuances. That's his brother. And so what's also crazy is he came to us and made sure that he didn't touch us. And because he didn't, he was like, okay, I know this guy did this bad thing, but technically me and mine weren't impacted. And that's my brother. So I love my brother. Even though he did something wrong, but also he genuinely felt like he did the time, right? So the family not wanting to be around him was just like, you know. And so to me, that's why I asked you if you knew anyone who did a crime that you still stuck by, because to me, Usher was literally just being human. Now, I say that to say I ended up coming across another clip this week.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Okay.

[Mandy B]

And it's Chaka Khan, who was sitting with. And I don't know the interviewer, but Jason, can you play this clip of Chaka Khan talking about Ike Turner?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Okay.

[Mandy B]

Did you know Tina Turner? I met her, yeah. Because she was in. I knew. I knew Ike more. I knew. I. He was a lovely human being. Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Just, he was.

[Mandy B]

He was a victim of himself and of the. Of. Of what we do for a living and of drugs and stuff like that. It was just.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Me, too.

[Mandy B]

I was like, we're having fun together, you know, but it was. It was not, you know, a good

[Jason Rodriguez]

time in either of our lives when

[Mandy B]

we're going through some shit, you know, and. But, you know, shit happens. It's life. And so this scene for you.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Shocking. Like, she was a little. Shocking. Like she maybe had a Little sauce in her sister.

[Mandy B]

But even then, listen, she said that he was a victim of partying the life himself.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He said himself too.

[Mandy B]

And essentially one could also say that about Diddy. And so the fact that we know Ike is like now a verb for the abuse. Like, you got Ike Turner. Like, he is a.

[Jason Rodriguez]

We all understand what that means.

[Mandy B]

He is a verb. And so for her to even come out and say, well, he was a lovely human being. He was a victim of his surroundings and the things that make you do certain things. I think what we are actually doing right now in having these conversations is removing nuance in the fact that we are human beings. Beings and that we do actually make exceptions for a lot of people. And these are humans that are making the exceptions for the people in their lives that matter to them. And we do it the same. If you got a brother, uncle, cousin, sister, who is currently in jail right now for murder, for drugs, for killing someone, for whatever, and you go and visit that person, you're no different than an Usher or a Shaka in support of their friends who caused harm to other people.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But you have to say, you can't support your. In public or anywhere, really. You shouldn't. But you can't come out on a microphone and support your friend and act like they also didn't do the thing at the same time. That's my issue. That's my main issue with Usher is that he's classifying this as if Puff was somehow railroaded.

[Mandy B]

But do you not think maybe the misrepresentation was. Was the freak offs? Because that's what he's in jail for. He wasn't in jail for whooping Cassian.

[Jason Rodriguez]

No, he wasn't.

[Mandy B]

But so the misrepresentation could be.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Well, I mean, he don't.

[Mandy B]

He's now this section.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

But you speaking about the character of man now. Yeah, we've seen.

[Jason Rodriguez]

The character of the man is not good. If he.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Again, we didn't see the question. Right.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

If the question was, what do you think about Diddy in totality?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Or what is your relationship now?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

We're talking about the character of man.

[Mandy B]

Okay.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But even without the question, like, yeah, Mandy, I'm glad you brought up the Shaka Khan one, because I thought she. I know you don't like when she enters the room, but if you give grace, like, like sh. Shaka Khan was like, she didn't excuse him. She said he was. He did these horrible things. He was a victim of himself. She talked about drugs and alcohol, and I felt like she actually provided A human element, a human accounting of him without letting him off the hook. Whereas, like, Usher's just like, oh, man, he's great. He's great. Like, he did all these contributions to the game and society without, like, any acknowledgement of all the things that we've seen.

[Mandy B]

You know what? So you're right. I'm not gonna lie. I think, because there isn't outrage as much for Shaka having this relationship with Ike. Right. But I think you're right. I think had Usher just literally said, I understand he's a victim of his own downfalls and the decisions that he made were poor, but I have a different relationship with him. I think that's all it was. Like, it felt like he excused the behavior and literally the misrepresents word, I think.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

And words mean things.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, words mean things. He tried to act like Puff was an underdog. Like, oh, maybe they're. People are persecuted, and maybe they're not recognized for their greatness. I'm like, who wasn't recognized for their greatness? Like, the N did a whole bad.

Usher was about to set up the album. Usher was like, wait for the new album.

Yeah. Like, what Usher should have did is just take his own advice, and if you're gonna tell it, then you gotta tell it all. And that would've made it real simple. Just say everything.

Slow hand claps for Ja right there.

You know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm putting down.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

This is why La Russell.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yep, yep. I wasn't gonna do it.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

But that we all haven't sent. And this is why he was identifying these characters in those bars. It's cause of the same thing we're talking about here. All of us is from the same source.

[Mandy B]

I guess that that's my thing, and maybe that's what he meant to like to me. Yeah. We're just. We all have our faults. Sure. We're all human. And I think, unfortunately, when we come on here and talk about the outrage and in responses to certain things within our culture, people remove the human element so much from celebrity, and everything has to be perfect or. Because that's my thing. I think that everyone's dissecting maybe what Usher could have said. He's human. This is how he felt. Let people be human.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Also, he has an opportunity to either double down or clarify or to give some more context as we react and other people react.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Well, I'm surprised he even spoke on this at all, but I'm surprised that he spoke on it. But the only people that surprised me. That would speak on Diddy or anything like that is people that, you know are gonna say great things about it.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like, people who. It wouldn't surprise me for someone who, like all the people who are on the documentary, like, they all have a, you know, axe to grind with the nigga. But of course they're willing to say, like, yeah, this N put me on and put me in this position. But I seen him do X, Y and Z. The only people who you. Jay Z's not gonna say a word about Diddy because Jay Z probably feels just like Usher.

[Mandy B]

Yeah. And I'm actually mad. Speaking of not saying a word about Diddy, J. Cole just could have told us how he swung on Diddy, bruh.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He did the same thing at this point.

[Mandy B]

He could have just, like, told us what the. Like. So let's get into finally us recapping J. Cole and Jay Z's sit downs and conversations that they've had. We can start with Cole. Y' all know I am a Cole Stan. So, baby, I grabbed the popcorn and the peanut and put it on the TV and started watching these interviews and I was left kind of disappointed. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I just, I didn't get anything else. And maybe because I did actually pay my 9.99 for the inevitable podcast that really went, you know, deep. Him and Eve talking about his, like, how he got to where he is. I heard his whole thing about Jay Z and what Jay Z meant to him and just everything getting into the. To the space, I felt like I was listening to Womp womp, womp, womp womp. Like, I just. I got nothing. I got nothing from his sit down with Nadeska. I got nothing from the cam thing. It just. It was just like, he's just here. Well, I mean, like, nothing new. I got Nothing new. Even 7pm in Brooklyn. That one I didn't watch in its entirety.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Right.

[Mandy B]

But I just didn't get nothing new.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I mean, in one group chat when these announcements started to come out, people were just like, okay, so like, I don't wanna hear Cole talk anyway. Just either rap or not or another. But like.

[Mandy B]

Which is crazy. Cause I wanna hear Cole talk. Cause Cole doesn't talk.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, he doesn't talk much. Yeah.

[Mandy B]

And so when you come out and you're like doing circles around the questions, you're not really answering them. And certain things just.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He's long winded too.

[Mandy B]

He's long, but certain things just felt so PC, like, yeah, give us something We've been waiting for you to talk and yeah, we got nothing.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So Mandy, what, what would you want him to talk about? So like, if we, if, if I set it up for the people who haven't listened to them. Let's say the Nadeska Apple music interview, that was like strictly about the new project, the Fall off.

[Mandy B]

Right.

[Jason Rodriguez]

The 7pm in Brooklyn, a lot of that rested on like Drake and Kendrick and sort of his involvement in that. And then the Cameron interview was a lot about their interaction and kind of like the lawsuit. Yeah, and J. Cole's like early days. So that's sort of like the accounting for all three interviews. What would you have looked for, like in an interview with Jimmy?

[Mandy B]

I mean, I just think I, is

[Jason Rodriguez]

it those topics but just better or just not even better?

[Mandy B]

Yeah, I think his response is like, I really would have wanted to know more about like he's also been like this lone wolf. Right. Like we know he has Dreamville and his artist, but we really don't know his relationship with these other people. Really. I don't think we got at all an answer of where him and Jay stand. And that's been a conversation for a long time.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Silence is deafening though.

[Mandy B]

Well, and both of them spoke about that relationship, right? And he said, yo, Jay Z gave me like my shit back. Like, I have nothing bad to say, but there's something there. What happened to me? We still just don't know his real relationship within the industry. And to know that even two records on the Fall off were supposed to feature Kendrick, we still don't know what is their real relationship. How deep is their relationship? Go Drake, he didn't really get into that. Like, also, is there any other artist that you fuck with or do you not? Is that why you have limited features normally on your albums? Are you this lone wolf that really don't fuck with nobody? Cause you're not just Mr. Nice Guy. Let's be like, you can't be. Or can you? I just feel like I still just didn't know him or how he exists or positions himself in, in the culture and in the industry, if that makes sense.

[Jason Rodriguez]

No, that makes a lot of sense. I, I, I think to like, is it Domati? I don't want.

[Mandy B]

Oh yeah, Dom I love.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So, so he did a post and, and he was making a point about how like, you know, on a real press run, you know, other outlets would build upon the previous interview and ask the like the follow up questions, which is very true. You know, that was my experience early on in my Career when you were doing.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

You're a real journalist, Jason.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You're a real journalist, Jason.

Thank you, my brother. And so I think a lot of times, because they're doing so few stops, it's, it's, you know, you get these kind of like questions that you have to ask that have now are built up, that have like months of. Of like things that have happened. And like. And that's why you get these like long winded J. Cole answers. But also, I think also, like, these people feel obligated to ask these questions because they haven't been asked. And maybe they don't get to a question like what you're saying, Mandy, where it's like you're weighing like, do you get along with this rapper versus let me ask you, not even get along

[Mandy B]

with Kendrick and Drake. Where is the story?

[Jason Rodriguez]

I know, I'm just, I'm just like short changing, like.

[Mandy B]

And why it's so much for you to. To apologize? Like, what is, what is the backstory? How deep does your relationship go with Kendrick?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

For sure, like.

[Mandy B]

Cause we see the clips in the blog era of them hanging.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Well, we know how deep it go. But if you're gonna get on the platform, you gotta say, you gotta. Yeah, we do. We talking about blog era. Like, no, I mean, right. He could have gave some depth to it. Right? Because that's the question. That is the. What is your status with Not.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Not.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

That's not in totality. Right. It's Kendrick and Drake. All the things that happen post even in the it is what it is pod. I think Cam asked him, have you spoke to them? And he kind of. I did, but I was like, I don't know if a text is not speaking an acknowledgement via text. It felt like it wasn't a real combo. Cause if it was, then we would have had some depth to it.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Well, I will say this. He did say this.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Talk with Flea. Sorry.

[Mandy B]

But here's my thing too, right? And maybe it's. I want more vulnerability, right?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Because you don't talk. So it's like when you're there, we

[Mandy B]

know why Drake was upset with LeBron. He's like, I was. Cause I've been around your kids.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

He's light skinned. That's why.

[Mandy B]

See? And you can't do that.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Light skin.

[Mandy B]

No, Like, Drake had all rights.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

He took his tattoo off and put Shay Alexander.

[Mandy B]

Okay, but he should have bro, if.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Right? Yeah. They were really locked in. They were dialed in.

[Mandy B]

We're locked in like this. And then you're going to party with My opps. Like, bro, we are really deep. You kind of know how Drake viewed that relationship, right?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

What if they would have a friendship?

[Mandy B]

But that's what I'm saying.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

No, I mean, what if Kendrick and LeBron, they wasn't, like, just out of the blue.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're cool with each other. Yeah, but they were dialed in to the point.

[Mandy B]

No, they're not. And that's what I'm saying. Drake, for me, for Cole to have apologized and exited out of the beef, I just would have liked the depth of. To how deep those relationships actually go, because in the industry, a lot of shit is certain.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Well, he did say that. Even when him and Drake. I mean. Yeah, him and Drake and Kendrick were like, all, like, earlier on. He said even at their coolest, they would talk like, a couple times a year. Like, he did say that on the Cameron podcast, that they weren't like, oh, I talk every time something goes on. I get on the phone with Kendrick and we talk about this shit. He made it sound like, that's my nigga, and I see him when I see him. But he kind of made it seem like we don't talk every day, even before this shit happened.

[Mandy B]

So that's why I'm curious about where he. He's actually at with Drake, too. Him and Drake toured. I went to the show.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, clearly, him and Drake was on

[Mandy B]

some shit like they were, bro, from early on.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

You know what I mean? Kendrick brought out Cole several. Look, no one asked him about that song Port Antonio, and in that song.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Wait, not one in that song?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

J. Cole said a lot of shit in that song that nobody. I'm like, why nobody asked him about that shit?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, Yeah, I think.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

And this is all due respect to Dreamville Nicole, but I don't buy some of the shit he was saying, because that record exists.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Right.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

And it seems like listening to Port Antonio, he was trying to pander to Drake by showing him he didn't want to. It sounded. So why would you go in and say you don't know? You did know how this was going.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah. I also think he's trying not to speak for Drake, but.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

But speaking for himself, you.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, but I think you see

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Drake has dropped. Drake dropped episode one, two, three, and four of that Iceman. No, after that.

[Mandy B]

Oh,

[Aaron A. King Howard]

you got. You would have, like, none of that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, the same thing's gonna happen when Drake speaks.

[Mandy B]

Like.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like, I. I'll. I'll bring in the Jay Z interview with it, too, to tie it all together. So early in my career. Not super early, but I had.

[Mandy B]

In what career? Where were you?

[Jason Rodriguez]

What was the platform? I was at MTV News, and I had a Jay Z interview. The Jay Z interview was scheduled to be 20 minutes. I ended up speaking to him for an hour and a half. Right. And MTV only used, like, four minutes of it. Right. And so because. And this is. This is a little inside baseball, but I think this is going to prove my point and to kind of introduce something that I. I want y' all to respond to. I. I must have had, like, 35 questions on a legal pad for Jay. Right? Because. Because I'm fishing to get the best stuff for what I know is only going to be a small output.

Right.

Whereas, like, I. I wonder now, because when you do these interviews with the J. Cole and with the Jay Z, like, you know, you're going to get 30 minutes or 60 minutes of run time that's going to air. It's going to be out into the public. So rather than trying to, like, hit everything, like just having five really good questions for Jay Z and then having all the follow ups, because I think that's the thing that elicits. It's like, Mandy, what you're saying to me is all follow ups. Right? Like, JCole says something. Then it's like, all right, cool, let me follow up. Instead of moving.

[Mandy B]

They weren't. They were just going to the next conversation.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And it's all the headline stuff, because I think you feel pressured to get that headline stuff because they don't speak that often when it's like, I wonder if now the better approach is, like, short amount of questions and just like, really follow up. And don't try to go, like, super wide pause. Go super deep. A.

Instead, solitude pauses.

[Mandy B]

Yeah. I mean, and that's even what I just did with. I did an episode with Keke Palmer. And we had certain beats that we had to. I'm just saying. But we had certain beats to hit. But we kept the question. We knew there was like four or five. We knew the conversation was gonna be an hour. But we also know that as human beings, we could have a casual conversation with Keke, because we know Keke. And so we allowed room for us to be able to riff. And I do think that with what I'm seeing, for all the things that Cole sat down at, there wasn't. Now there was follow up with Cam really trying to get what happened with the Diddy thing.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

And you know, that gave. And then the jokes around the lawsuit. But yeah, I just feel like you're right. I think they just had probably too many questions that they wanted to get to that we didn't stay in anything that I feel like got us to provide something. Now I will say we could get into the Jay Z conversation.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Well, I was gonna say, speaking of follow ups, let me just add a

[Aaron A. King Howard]

little crescendo on that.

[Mandy B]

Come on. Crescendo.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

This is why I love Lamar. That ain't talking to nobody. He's talked through his raps. That's it. Yeah, he's. If and if we listen to gnx, I think he kind of told us where he's staying with all of it.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, yeah, I think.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I think he's very clear about his place is he didn't go after J. Cole. But he also, you know, he know like, listen, you my bro. But you did that song. That's how you. That's a personal song a little bit.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Put a belt to ass a little bit.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

So I love the fact that he silences is. Is a lot. You know what I mean? So shout out to Kendrick.

[Mandy B]

I also do like the what? I know you just love who Drake

[Aaron A. King Howard]

gonna sit down with. Drake do his role. He got to sit down with Bobby. No, he got to sit down with you.

[Mandy B]

That nigga gonna sit down with Sukiana and Bobby on their new podcast.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I think he or Aiden Ross.

[Mandy B]

Or Aiden Ross. Yeah, he's not gonna get.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He'll be on Fresh and Fit before he be damn.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Not the man.

[Mandy B]

No, not Fresh and Fit.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, I can try. I can a thousand percent see him going to sit down with.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Oh, that mean that he's an unregistered Republican.

[Mandy B]

We're not doing that. Y', all. Y', all. Y' all gonna stop coming for me.

[Jason Rodriguez]

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[Mandy B]

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[Mandy B]

As we wrap up. Yeah, Jay Z thoughts on that interview. And I do have a clip that I want to specifically get into. I. I'm not gonna lie. I loved everything that Jay Z said.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Mm, mm.

[Mandy B]

Make me a 50 year old billionaire man. The way that he spoke about things was rooted in reality. So much so to where I was like, oh my God, he's a realist like me. I saw myself in Jay Z. I'm not gonna lie.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Go back two episodes ago.

[Mandy B]

I did. I saw my. As he answered those questions you said, right?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, yeah, Right now you right, right.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

She said, now you want to go to the show. It's the third show, by the way.

[Mandy B]

You know what's crazy about it?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Is that a yes?

[Mandy B]

Just to put my dick on the table. I just want to go to be like, look, I'm there. Y' all. Can't get there.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Look at me, I'm here.

[Mandy B]

Opponent. He just wants to go talk shit. Just to talk shit. Yeah, no, I'll probably. I'll see him at Roots. I'll be like this at the Roots picnic, holding up my logo or whatever this is.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Yo, what is the rock?

[Mandy B]

Diamond? The rock. There we go. I thought that he left. His answers were so black and white that it's like niggas was Trying to find the grave.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Oh, yeah.

[Mandy B]

He answered from a place of, this is the world we live in. This is how I'm operating. And the people that were upset with even him. And I want to talk about his clip about obtaining wealth. It literally was like, yeah, are you mad? I think he goes, play it. Because I think he's like, at What? Even number $1amount makes me a monster. Or makes someone unethical or makes someone to a point where you can question whether they're a good or bad person. Can we play this?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Shout out to Frasier Tharp for doing the interview. He did a phenomenal.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Frasier Sharpe from GQ.

[Mandy B]

Not only is he like, lead editor over at GQ, senior editor at GQ. Yeah, he's.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

But he looks 17.

[Mandy B]

35.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

He looks 17.

[Mandy B]

And so that's the thing. Like, he talks about listening to Jay when he was like, 10 years old.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Right, right.

[Mandy B]

And so, like, even doing the math, bro, he looks young. But this. He's a millennial, bro.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

That's pressure, too. Imagine you're sitting across from holes.

[Mandy B]

But yeah, he's 35.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

The things that went into getting and securing the interview and then the buildup. I see somebody tweet. No wonder you've been so quiet.

[Mandy B]

But not only that. He's the one. Like how you wanted people to question about Port of Antonio.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Yeah.

[Mandy B]

He was bringing up reps, like, in explaining why his questions were where they were. I thought this was one of the best interviews I've seen in a long time. And I'm sorry, Elliot, you bowed out too soon. These are shits. I know. He gotta be hurt that he's not in the ecosystem.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Elliot's got a million of them now.

Elliot.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Elliot has.

[Mandy B]

Yeah. But even though.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

And shout out to Elliot. He's on the men. He's on the health man. You know what I mean?

[Mandy B]

No, he is. Oh, I love Elliot, but I'm wondering, like, he was doing long form before long form was even put out into the world like this. Like, his Crown series was phenomenal. But you went and you saw it in person, and it kind of never lived outside of. Of the theaters and things that he did. And so I'm just. I wish he was getting these opportunities. But also this brother right here, eight.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, I gotta move on, maybe. I got three interviews with Jay in the can. I'm very happy.

[Mandy B]

Wait, wait, wait.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Jason, where are those interviews we gotta go to? You gotta keep it all. MTV vaults.

[Mandy B]

Do you have access?

[Jason Rodriguez]

One is. Let me stop sharing my screen so I can see Y', all, one is what MTV News. But I still have it here in my files. I'm gonna find a way to release the whole night.

[Mandy B]

Release it on Selective ignorance. We'll put it on the YouTube channel.

[Jason Rodriguez]

My other.

My other two are for documentaries. I interviewed him for two documentaries.

[Mandy B]

Hey, real quick, real quick. You own the rights to those. Because if you're sitting on a Jay Z interview right now, why would you not be clipping that up and putting that out into the world?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

All right, you. That's.

[Mandy B]

Are you able to.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I'm trying to figure out what I want to do with it. I was going to do a. So it was. It was based around American Gangster, and so I was going to do it for an American Gangster interview, like, anniversary, and I was gonna probably, like, talk to, like, Guru and a couple other people.

[Mandy B]

Oh, I love it.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like a few. A few years ago. And just. Just a few years ago when it was like, pandemic, I was like, oh, I'll do it as an NFT and sell it this way. I'm just trying to figure out, like, what way I want to put it.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Thankfully, I know, thankfully, your discernment. Exactly.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I'll put it on the blockchain

[Mandy B]

clip, specifically from the Jay Z interview. I would love for us to. To dissect it before we get out of here.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, here we go, y'.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

All.

[Jay-Z]

This idea we were talking about, about just doing things the right way, even when that comes to, like, attaining wealth and continuing to amass wealth, we're talking about B sides. One of your illest lines to me is face to the ceiling, race to a billion heaven on earth, will his wings still fit him? So, yeah, like, what's the answer to that question? Is it a constant struggle to maintain

your morality defines who you are far, not. Not what you retain. It's not a dollar amount that changes you.

Yeah.

And if so, what is that dollar amount? When does it start? Is it a hundred thousand? 150? Like, at what point? If it's. If it's a cut off.

[Jason Rodriguez]

If it's like, all.

[Jay-Z]

All millionaires are bad.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Jay-Z]

Okay, so at 999, 000, I'm good.

[Mandy B]

This was so good.

[Jay-Z]

The system is set up against me, against us. But I'm talking about my specific struggle. Everything was against me. My talent not taking advantage of people, not taking advantage of a system, not creating tax loopholes, not just taking from other people.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

No.

[Jay-Z]

My talent pushed against all the headwind. And with that success, I've done things with my reach that I Wanted to do that was helpful for a lot of people.

Yeah.

And with the system that we have, what are you going to do?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Because I don't.

[Jay-Z]

I don't believe in that. That the idea that someone has a certain amount of money if it defines their personality.

So when you have like an example like that versus, like the kind of, I would say, commonplace public perception that. That someone would say all billionaires are bad or no one should have a billion dollars, like, what's the tension in that?

I got to give you the honest answer. Please. There's no tension. Yeah, I don't give a. You can believe what you want to believe or, you know, people behave the way they want to behave.

You was who you was.

[Jason Rodriguez]

We got here.

[Jay-Z]

Was who you was for you got here. That's the makeup of your person.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I say that quote all the time. You was who you was before you got here.

[Mandy B]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's one of his bars to me, though.

[Mandy B]

It is. It's so interesting because I love what he said. Is it 100,000? Is it 150,000? The way we start viewing people because of the money they've made, it's almost like they had to do something fucked up to do that or to get there. And for me, growing up, the idea is always that you want to make the money to get your mama a house, to get out the hood. We have this idea of. Of wanting to obtain wealth so bad. I don't understand why we have the negative stigma on someone who's attained wealth.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I think yo, a king. I need you to check the archives and make sure she said that same exact thing when we had the billionaire conversation.

[Mandy B]

I want to be a billionaire. No, but I always defend that. I am a.

[Jason Rodriguez]

We had a billionaire episode.

[Mandy B]

Yeah, y' all know that. But I'm a capitalist and that's why I wanted to sit with Antoinette. She's anti capitalist and doesn't believe anyone should make a certain amount of money because it should just be distributed amongst people. But like, nah, bruh, I worked hard to motherfucking get here. My talent got me here. And then when I got here, I got to do what I wanted to do. That's literally. It's the American dream that now people are being shunned for attaining.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

But these people are billionaires and they create ecosystem, to Jay's point, that helps other people obtain whatever they view as successful.

[Mandy B]

But apparently you never help enough people. That. That's. People are upset, I think. See, are you waiting?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Let y' all go because there's. I Don't think it's just. Well, it's two things. I don't think it's just as flat the surface as that of like a. Like when you talk about the American dream, like the American dream is like a bogus concept. It is so like I don't put any. To me like yeah, we all grew up hearing about the American dream. Get a house, get a picture, the whole dog, the whole thing. And it's like, like yeah, but that's all because right now like there's so many people who can't even attain half of that because of how capitalism has distorted the markets and over. And people got over out of that American dream house that they bought during the, the real estate and that they lost that instantly because predatory loans and all that, that's all part of the same system. So like I can't just look at it and be like, yeah, this is just how it goes. I think when it comes to Jay, I think what Jay has on his side to some degree is that like his business and his wealth and his influence is like you said, it is based on his talent. And he took that talent and did big business with big corporations to get rich. But everyone who has gotten a billion dollars isn't like that. Everyone didn't get a billion dollars off of rapping and champagne. Some people got billion dollars off of over little kids and having them build computer chips and shit for pennies overseas and, and, and blood diamonds and all kind of that people got rich from. So like the idea that I just made my money and there's not a dollar amount. No, there's no dollar amount. But like you watch old Tupac interviews, Tupac felt the exact opposite of Jay Z. Tupac has an iconic interview clip from MTV News from the. I don't know if it was the 90s or the late 80s where he's talking about this exact concept that no, nobody needs this amount of money and whoopty whoopty whoop they should. You can do other things aside from have 20 houses and 25 cars and 35 yachts and all of this other shit. So this concept, even though it's become more popular in the mainstream via Bernie Sanders and AOC and certain further left politics, this is a new concept at all for me personally. I'm not, I'm not necessarily like hardcore anti billionaire but I've always said for at least 15, 20 years now that capitalism needs all a tweak of some kind to make more even distribution of resources because it's just unnecessary for in this country that's supposed to be the richest, most powerful. For it to be fucked up in certain ways that it's fucked up.

[Mandy B]

Well, and that's the thing. Cool. We can acknowledge that there may need to be a tweak. But what he also did was say, I did this in a system that, yeah, we all hate, but this is the system that we are a part of that probably isn't gonna change in our lifetime. And so whatever things I have to go against, I done went against it, got to where I need to.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's true.

[Mandy B]

You can, too. But don't sit here and shun me, because I navigated in a system for me in a way that was morally sound, that didn't sit here. And I didn't rob people. I didn't steal from them.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

He's from Marcy projects, you know what I mean? He didn't know that this was gonna be the totality of the docket for him. Yeah, he pushed through so many boundaries and so many obstacles to get to where he.

[Mandy B]

And I love that his wife said, now get your ass back on stage. Beyond.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Beyonce said, all right, now, enough of that, Sean.

[Mandy B]

Enough of this CEO, behind the scenes shit. You see, I done went back on that motherfucking stage for a couple days.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Pick up that microphone and say some rhymes.

[Mandy B]

Nigga, get your ass on that stage. But, yeah, no, I love this interview. I'm not a huge fan of his music. I didn't grow up on it. That's just not me. But I will say this interview made me like, the fuck up.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You gonna get in the force.

[Mandy B]

But I was like, I like. Like, I like his mind.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Well, Jay Z represents an interesting concept that's in society right now. Right? Because of course, for that love rap music and that love his music, like, his talent is why we with him.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Right?

[Jason Rodriguez]

And part of his talent was putting the idea of 1 million, 2 million, 3 million, 4, like that was him getting money. And him being a businessman, not a businessman, is part of the DNA that makes people love Jay Z.

That hustle, part of the lore.

But society has changed in a lot of ways in the last 10 years that don't really hardcore align with that ethos anymore. So people are wrestling, and I've had this conversation with other friends, people are wrestling with that concept. People who are kind of anti capitalist, people who are moving further left on the political and ideological scale are looking at this music. I had conversations all week in group chats with people that love Jay Z's music, that are spending their Last dollars to go to this concert. Who also hate every single thing he said.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And like, that's the dichotomy of like, we talked about Usher being human. Like, that's kind of where we are. I don't think anyone wants to cancel Jay Z.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

No.

[Mandy B]

No.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But the disappointment that people are dealing with in their own ideologies changing and changing. Man, still loving this man and his music is like bumping up against each other in a real way. And that's a.

And I think, I think Jay. Yeah, I think Jay's keenly aware of that too. Like, I think a lot of the discussion he's having is trying to like, protect his legacy.

And I think he really, you hear

him when he says, like, I didn't go through like a tax hold loops. Like, he knows the way that other people have become billionaires and he's trying to like, draw the distinction between them and him. Right? So he's, he's trying to channel all the reasons that we previously had cheered for him. So even though things are changing fast, he's trying to like, align it. Like. But the way I got it within the system as exists was cleaner than numb. Right. And. And so, like, you know, I, I think that's why people like the interview. Like, Jay's. He's a storyteller, right? Like, he's a rapper, he's a storyteller. And I think he's also like, as comfortable as he's ever been into his skin. And so when he talks and he explains it like it's full, like charisma coming out. He doesn't speak often, so we're cheering him on. And it's one. And I hate being like, two things can be true at the same time, but it is one of those things where it's like he's proud of his history and he's not trying to let today's view kind of dent what he did in the past.

Yeah, I mean, that interview is basically, they not like us in like spoken word form. Like, that's the line that he's drawing. Is that like, sure, sure, Elon Musk and Zuckerberg and some of these other people might have gotten their money through suspect ways or ill gotten gains or done shit that is unethical and are

not giving it back. Right. We could debate how much he gives back or not.

Sure.

Certainly they're.

He's doing things. He is. He's obviously helping people because, like, that's. I believe him when he says they are helping people.

[Mandy B]

I would like to See more sit downs with him. I liked it. It was good. Also, though, I don't know what more we can get get out of him real quick too. What are your thoughts? Only. Cause I saw it. And this will be my last question to wrap this up. What are your thoughts? I saw someone tweet that if he was gonna give a sit down, I know he gave it to gq, but someone was like, Bleak has a whole podcast.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah.

Bleak responded. You saw Bleak responded.

[Mandy B]

Wait, Bleak did respond to that? No. What was Bleak's response?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Hold on. I got the tweet.

[Mandy B]

I didn't know if y' all saw that. And what's your thoughts on that?

[Jason Rodriguez]

I saw that. I.

[Mandy B]

And I'm like, interesting.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like, damn. He wouldn't.

[Mandy B]

So Bleak.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Bleak tweeted and said GQ versus podcast is really a conversation. Question mark journalism versus homie talking. We serious out here. Question mark, no. All the beggars out there. I don't know. He put whip. I guess it was an autocorrect error. And. And you see why. And he's just a bunch of laughing emojis.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

He's right.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

And I will say in my bias. And they're not even biased, bro. This is. I'm gonna just say this shit because they.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He. He.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

That was what. I think that was Reg's first client ever. You know what I mean? I don't think there's many podcasters that can sit down with Jay Z. And that's the one. The one that could probably sit down with him. Died December 21, 2017, in my opinion.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Long live Combat Jazz.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

You know what I'm saying? As far as that depth, that kind of depth in that regard, I do agree with Bleak. Bleak, like, yo, that's his dog. Like, yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I mean, that's gonna be a five

[Aaron A. King Howard]

hour conversation too, about a bunch of ignorant shit.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

And listen, Bleak's conversation is really hard.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I wouldn't mind seeing Jay Z on some ignorant shit, though, with Bleak.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Though with Bleak.

[Mandy B]

I would love to see.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I don't want to see him doing ignorant shit with nobody. Bleak, for sure.

[Mandy B]

Yeah. I would love to see Jay Z tell Bleak to his face, nigga, you wasn't working how you needed to work.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

You know, if I was jab, you

[Mandy B]

know what I mean?

[Jason Rodriguez]

He would definitely say that.

[Mandy B]

He would be like, nigga, you ain't want it.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

If I was with Jay, I'd be like, so where's the hit now? He always say that he was one hitter. He always say Bleak be throwing the

[Jason Rodriguez]

darts at himself on the pile.

[Mandy B]

He do.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I love that. I love that. About.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Very self humiliating.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Very humiliating. Self humiliating.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Shout out. Bleak.

[Mandy B]

All right, any final thoughts or takeaways on these topics today?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

We all haven't sent another reminder.

[Jason Rodriguez]

We still haven't sent. Make sure you go to the rally that we holding for ourselves.

We are not holding over the candlelight visual for La Russell's social media career.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Yeah, we ain't touch on no sports.

[Mandy B]

We could do that on the bonus episode.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Yeah, I mean, I know. This is not a sports podcast.

[Mandy B]

This is not a sports podcast. You know what? This was a. This was a light week. There's not much in sports, but I think we can talk about tlc. Chilibre Maga.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, yeah.

[Mandy B]

I think there's a sports thing you wanted to talk about.

[Jason Rodriguez]

About a 4K. Yeah, yeah. Cam and Stephen A Smith and. And the. The betrayal.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Interesting, that one.

[Jason Rodriguez]

There's just some dynamics.

[Mandy B]

There's a few things we could get to. I mean, so we'll save it for the Friday part.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I love that you. Are you back to, you know, the natural.

[Mandy B]

By the way, this is growing quick, yo.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Yeah, Yeah. I don't.

[Mandy B]

I don't. I'm like, I might have to learn. You might have to teach me how to do the.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I kind of want to see you with like a dark.

[Mandy B]

You know what's crazy? Did you forget I'm half white? A curl. You think?

[Aaron A. King Howard]

Yeah, I think so.

[Mandy B]

No, this is.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Nah, it'll probably be like caucus mountains. Yeah.

[Mandy B]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It'd probably be a bottle.

[Mandy B]

This is. This is. It'll grow like. I have very straight hair. I have very straight hair. Not really curly.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

I think the roster in you will outweigh the Caucasusness.

[Mandy B]

I've had this hair all my life. I'm telling you.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I'm telling you right now.

[Mandy B]

I'm telling you what. I know it's gonna do throw down my back, but yeah. Y' all tune into our bonus episode Friday. We'll get to a couple more topics that we didn't get to get to today. Jason, I'm sure won't be on it. We only get him part time. Y' all know he's part time over here.

[Jason Rodriguez]

How's that early morning going for you?

[Mandy B]

You.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

That's good.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I. I tell people all the time, waking up is not the hard part. It's going to sleep early enough. That's the hard part. That's. That's the challenge right there. Well, it's good. We having a good time, man.

[Mandy B]

Yeah. You working. That's a lot. I don't know if I could do that Monday through Friday, that's the early. That's fresh.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I'll be on that train. Five o'.

Clock.

[Mandy B]

We know Jason right now technically only got one day off a week, and that's Saturday. Yeah, you working Sunday through Friday between here and Hot 97.

[Aaron A. King Howard]

When he become a billionaire, no rest for the weird. We gonna have smoke. Who have you helped?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Who have you helped, though? What have you done to assist the people who are struggling?

[Mandy B]

Well, y' all hope y' all enjoyed this episode and the nuance that it brought to our discussions around all of the selective outrage around these things. My takeaway would be like, bro, look at these people as human. When you have something to say about somebody, think of if or how you've ever been in that same position and how you responded. Okay, well, y', all, this is another episode of Selective Ignorance. Y' all know I gotta read it. Am I. Am I? Where curiosity lives, controversy thrives, and conversations matter. See you Friday and next week, crook assholes.

[Iris Palmer]

Bye.

[Mandy B]

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[Jason Rodriguez]

Thanks for tuning in to Selective Ignorance with Mandy B. Selective Ignorance is executive produced by Mandy B. And it's a full Court Media Studio production with lead producers Jason Rodriguez, that's me, and Aaron A. King Howard. Now do us a favor and rate, subscribe, comment and share wherever you get your favorite podcast. And be sure to follow Selective Ignorance on Instagram @Selective_Ignorant. And of course, if you're not following our host, Mandy B, make sure you're following her at Fullcourt Pumps. Now, if you want the full video experience of Selective Ignorance, make sure you subscribe to the Patreon. It's patreon.com backslash selectiveignorance.

[Mandy B]

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