Selective Ignorance: Ep. 59 | Bans, Bad Blood & Bambaataa

Summary

Decisions, Decisions: "Selective Ignorance" Ep. 59 | Bans, Bad Blood & Bambaataa

Original Release: April 14, 2026

Episode Overview

In this candid and culture-savvy episode, Mandii B and the Selective Ignorance crew (Ja Lee and Jason Rodriguez) dive into hot-button topics burning up the internet, from cancel culture and controversial comedy to hypocrisy in hip-hop and the unresolved legacies of problematic icons. They tackle the recent backlash against Kanye West, the wireless festival ban, community accountability, decades-old abuse allegations in hip-hop, and the convoluted street code still dominating internet discourse. Sprinkled throughout: personal anecdotes, sharp humor, and the kind of no-holds-barred vulnerability that’s signature for the Decisions, Decisions and Selective Ignorance brands.

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Table of Contents

• Key Discussion Points & Insights
  • 1. Defining “Selective Ignorance” and Setting the Stage
  • 2. Blackface, Whiteface, and the Comedy Double Standard
  • 3. Kanye West, the Wireless Ban, and the Reality of ‘Cancelation’
  • 4. Celebrity Hypocrisy & Defending the Indefensible
  • 5. Afrika Bambaataa, Unforgivable Sins & Legacy
  • 6. Street Code, Snitching, and the Selective Outrage Loop
  • 7. Hip-Hop Tours, Fandom, and Pop Culture Tangents
• Memorable Quotes & Moments
• Notable Timestamps

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Defining “Selective Ignorance” and Setting the Stage

(03:29–05:54)

• Mandii B introduces Selective Ignorance: a platform for discussing nuanced, emotionally charged topics trending online, across politics and pop culture.
• Mandii previews key subjects: the blackface/whiteface debate, Kanye West’s concert controversy, the legacy of Afrika Bambaataa, and community reactions to celebrity missteps.
• Tone: Irreverent, unapologetic, and intentionally boundary-pushing.

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2. Blackface, Whiteface, and the Comedy Double Standard

Discussion kicks at 33:00, Jake Paul’s clip at 33:42

• Recent internet uproar over Jake Paul’s public wish to respond to a Drewski “whiteface” skit by donning “blackface” for satire.
• Jake Paul (clip, 33:42): “I was gonna...do a response...go and do, like, the full-on darker...and just do it back. Because why not?”
• Ja Lee and crew break down the historical violence of blackface and why white comedians rarely, if ever, get away with the “mirror” act of blackface for satire.
  • Reference to Robert Downey Jr. in "Tropic Thunder" as the exception (36:37).
  • Ja Lee: “Satire requires intelligence...Jake Paul’s not smart enough for that.” (36:20)
• They mock Paul’s inability to even say ‘blackface’ outright, revealing his lack of conviction and understanding.
• Tension of “equal playing field” rhetoric exposed as ahistorical nonsense: “White people don’t want an even playing field with black people ever.” – Mandii B (38:01)
• Conclusion: These “comedic” provocations lack the cultural context and self-awareness to be taken as meaningful satire.

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3. Kanye West, the Wireless Ban, and the Reality of ‘Cancelation’

Ban discussion: 50:04–54:51, Broader context through 61:31

• Wireless Festival cancellation after sponsors (Pepsi, Rockstar, Diageo, etc.) pull out due to Kanye’s anti-Semitic remarks.
• UK imposes ban on Kanye West, echoing his own conspiratorial rants about “who owns what.”
• The US is painted as weak on consequence: “All this shit keeps showing is that the US is a bunch of pussy ass hoes who actually don’t stand on consequence.” – Mandii B (54:11)
• Comparison: Overseas, powerful men are held accountable (e.g., the fallout from the Epstein scandal).
• Debate: Is the UK cherry-picking? Why do certain infractions get international consequences and others do not?
• Recognizing the complex role Kanye plays—crossing lines of antisemitism, sexual misconduct, and supporting problematic figures, yet continuing to attract massive crowds and celebrity support.

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4. Celebrity Hypocrisy & Defending the Indefensible

Throughout episode, see especially 61:42–64:50 and 66:44–67:47

• Celebrities and fans draw arbitrary lines on forgiveness and outrage:
  • Example: Aubrey O’Day faces backlash for attending Kanye’s concert after condemning Diddy.
  • Mandii rattles off the ways certain artists, like Kanye and Diddy, evade or benefit from inconsistent public condemnation.
• Ja Lee: “We all teeter in lines of hypocrisy.” (63:11)
• “Scarcity mentality:” The sense that if we cancel every legend, “who will we have left?” (64:47)

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5. Afrika Bambaataa, Unforgivable Sins & Legacy

(65:08–69:14)

• Afrika Bambaataa’s death prompts discussion about how to process the legacy of a hip hop pioneer accused of decades of child sexual abuse.
  • No criminal conviction due to statute of limitations, but several civil settlements.
  • KRS-One previously argued Bambaataa is “above critique” for his cultural role—hosts reject this logic.
• Deep discomfort: How to balance recognition for cultural impact with the demand for accountability?
• “When you reach a certain level of power, it's this idea that consequences in your fucking shit just shouldn’t matter…and should be swept under the rug. I don’t understand!” – Mandii B (66:44)
• The ongoing struggle in Black communities (and beyond) to hold even beloved figures accountable, and the psychological toll for survivors of abuse.

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6. Street Code, Snitching, and the Selective Outrage Loop

(74:08–89:16)

• The internet’s love/hate affair with “street code” and who deserves consequences.
• Recent developments:
  • Gucci Mane criticized online for allegedly breaking “street code” by cooperating in a contract dispute.
  • 6ix9ine (Tekashi) calls out hypocrisy, showing how several respected rappers have “snitched” yet retain status (Clip at 83:01).
• Analysis of how snitching and violence are different when applied to business disputes vs. true “street” beefs—“making you sign a bogus ass contract…that’s actual business” (86:43)
• Ja Lee: “You doing that shit cause it’s a nigga you think you can put hands on, because he’s in the street...You wouldn’t do that [to a white exec].” (88:08)
• The panel exposes the absurdity of “outsiders” (e.g., people with 9-5s) invoking “the code.”

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7. Hip-Hop Tours, Fandom, and Pop Culture Tangents

Concert woes: 15:43–26:21, R&B Tour: 100:04–107:48

• Mandii’s misadventure at the Boys for Life concert (Bow Wow, B2K, Pretty Ricky): logistical nightmares, disappointments, and fangirl dreams deferred.
• R&B fans and nostalgia: Anticipation over Chris Brown & Usher co-headlining tour, compared to past blockbuster tours (Jay-Z/Beyoncé, Kendrick/Cesira).
• Economics of entertainment: How fans continue to drop huge sums on concerts despite economic hardship, and the evolution of the meet-and-greet culture.
• Lighter moments: The crew humorously breaks down Gen Z slang like “you the birthday,” and the culture of “girl dinner.”

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Jake Paul and blackface:
  “Satire requires intelligence. Jake Paul's not smart enough to do satire.” – Ja Lee (36:20)
• Cultural Double Standards:
  “White people don’t want an even playing field with black people ever. But now? Oh my God!” – Mandii B (38:01)
• Accountability & Consequence:
  “All this shit keeps showing is…the US is a bunch of pussy ass hoes who actually don’t stand on consequence.” – Mandii B (54:11)
• On protecting problematic legends:
  “If we don’t protect our legends, who will we have left?... Scarcity mentality.” – Ja Lee (64:47)
• Bambaataa debate:
  “When you reach a certain level of power, it's this idea that consequences...should be swept under the rug. I don't understand!” – Mandii B (66:44)
• On selective outrage regarding street code:
  “You doing that shit cause it’s a nigga you think you can put hands on...You wouldn't do that to a [white] exec.” – Ja Lee (88:08)
• Economic hypocrisy:
  “Where in this economy, while we’re complaining about rent and groceries, [are people] coming up with Renaissance prices for concert tickets?” – Mandii B (108:03)

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Notable Timestamps

• 03:29 – Mandii re-introduces Selective Ignorance and sets show’s agenda.
• 15:43–26:21 – Mandii’s “Boys for Life” concert debacle and reflections on fandom.
• 33:00–38:29 – Jake Paul’s blackface plans, clip, and the cultural breakdown.
• 50:04–61:31 – Kanye West, Wireless Fest ban, international consequences, sponsor fallout.
• 61:42–64:50 – The hypocrisy of celebrity support (Aubrey O’Day, Chloe Bailey, others at Ye's concert).
• 65:08–69:14 – Afrika Bambaataa’s death, abuse accusations, reckoning with legacy.
• 74:08–89:16 – Internet/the culture’s obsession with “street code,” snitching, Gucci vs. Pooh Shiesty contract drama, and 6ix9ine’s commentary.
• 100:04–107:48 – Chris Brown and Usher tour hype; concert economics and culture.
• 107:48–end – Lighthearted speculation about R&B versus battles and fan culture.

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Episode Tone & Language

• Unfiltered, irreverent, and at times NSFW.
  Hosts balance heavy topics with humor, pop culture references, and “real talk” rooted in both empathy and skepticism.
• Death, trauma, generational pain, and Black cultural politics are approached without sugar-coating, but always with insight and the intention to spark critical thought and conversation.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode encapsulates the contradictions of modern American popular culture—where boundary-pushing comedy, nostalgia, accountability, and communal hypocrisy relentlessly clash. Mandii B and the crew offer deep dives and sharp side-eyes on everything from the legacy of Black music icons to who’s really about “the code” in street culture, all while never shying away from calling out the double standards and internalized issues facing the community. Whether you agree with their stances or not, their transparency, context, and humor make for essential listening for anyone seeking to understand the complexities and ongoing debates shaping Black culture in 2026.

Transcript

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[Mandy B.]

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[Mandy B.]

Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Selective Ignorance. However, before we get to this week's episode, I want to remind you guys to purchase my book, no Holes Barred, a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power. So feel free to go to your local bookstores, preferably queer owned, black owned or woman owned, to support them, but also just click the button on Amazon, Barnes and Nobles, or wherever you read your books. Again, that is no holds Barred, a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power written by yours truly and my co host of the Decisions Decisions podcast, Wheezy. Make sure y' all get that. Now let's get to this week's episode. This is Mandy B. Welcome to Selective Ignorance, a production of the Black Effect podcast network and iHeartradio. Welcome guys to another episode of Selective Ignorance with me, Mandy B. If you are new here, let me tell you what this is. Cause baby, if you found us on the social medias, y' all don't be getting the clips. And what we do here is explore the nuance of all of the topics that are riling up emotions on the Internet throughout the week. And so we get into politics, we get into pop culture, we get into all the things. But what we will do is question the nuance of why people are so emotionally charged and try to figure out why they are leaning the way they are leaning now. This week we do have a double down or take it back because ja got some words for y'. All. Who had thoughts on our blackface versus whiteface conversation. As Jake Paul says that he wants to do blackface in response to the Drew Ski sit as he sat down talking to the Theo Von Cracker Ass cracker. I'm excited to see you ja go in on that one. Now y', all, this week in this is America, we are talking all of the sponsors that pulled out of the wireless fest with Kanye west as well as the backlash that certain celebrities received for attending the YE concert at SoFi.

[Ja Lee]

Pack you all the way up, son.

[Mandy B.]

Now, the conversation around this, of course, is if he is actually canceled and if he may have actually had a point in some of his rants that were anti Semitic.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Meh.

[Mandy B.]

We are getting into also Afrika Mumbada's death and the unforgiving of people even in death, especially when they believe that you did not have any sort of justice with all of the decisions you made. And this is not a sports podcast. Angel Reese joins the Atlanta Dream.

[Ja Lee]

Hey, how you doing, little mama? Let me whisper in your ear.

[Mandy B.]

And we know y' all happy about that. Cause ATL hope now celebrities say the darnest things. We're just going to get into all of the street mess. So offset getting shot at a Florida casino and nobody really giving a fuck outside of the fact that he owes bad people some money. How he been running off on debt.

[Cino Show Host]

What?

[Mandy B.]

Gucci man seemingly responding to Pooh Shiesty in an awful record. But also 6ix9ine gets involved. Stupid. Then, of course, our thoughts on the R and B tour. That's right. That's Raymond and Brown. Chris Brown and Usher announced a whole tour. And we're gonna pretty much open our piggy bank to make sure that we attend that because. Hello. Anyways, guys, y' all already know this is selective ignorance. And we're getting into all the things. And before we get started, I wanna introduce my super producers, kind of with an S, but not really, y'. All. Jason. We are recording this on a Monday. And as y' all know, he has a job. So when we record on Mondays, Jason can't be here because he is busy with Merrill in the mornings on Hot 97. But I do have the OG pot legend in the building. A king. What it do?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Mixing five.

[Mandy B.]

All right, here we go.

[Ja Lee]

Five.

[Mandy B.]

Mixing five is crazy.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I'll give y' all a little, you know, five.

[Mandy B.]

That's how we're starting.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Mixing five, y'.

[Ja Lee]

All.

[Mandy B.]

You even came in your Knicks hat like you're two. You happy? Calm down. Let them live in a little three seat or whatever.

[Jason Rodriguez]

She said little three.

[Mandy B.]

You gotta take the wins. It's okay. You gotta. You got the Vegas tournament win already this season.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah. Happy with your tournament.

[Mandy B.]

Be happy with the tournament win.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Who are you talking about?

[Mandy B.]

Your Knicks.

[Jason Rodriguez]

My Knicks?

[Mandy B.]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Vegas tournament.

[Mandy B.]

Didn't they win like a mid season?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Are you talking about the midseason?

[Mandy B.]

Yeah. That's all y' all getting.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's just the precursor. That's just the precursor. What's the. You happy with your little cracking Knicks in Atlanta? You know what I mean, the Hawks, we kind of seen this coming, you know what I mean? Yeah, we knew it was going shout to this guy.

[Mandy B.]

So wait, that means you taking us on a team? Team trip.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Let's get it.

[Mandy B.]

To see the Knicks play.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Let's get it, yo. I mean, just backslide me. The 16 digits of the full court pumps. Full court studio, Amex. But nah, happy to see y'.

[Mandy B.]

All.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Happy to be here. You know what I mean? We had a dope weekend. Quiet weekend.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, true.

[Jason Rodriguez]

A lot of shit happening which was discussed.

[Mandy B.]

And oh yeah, the Internet been hot. And then of course, we have the king of headlines. We have Jason Ja Lee.

[Ja Lee]

What up, what up, what up, what up? Pod Blessing all the yap n. Now you just.

[Mandy B.]

You not gonna let him get it off on that, right? You believe the Hawks are gonna win?

[Ja Lee]

The Hawks absolutely gonna win. And it's gonna be sadness. We gonna see niggas outside Madison Square Garden. Angry throwing.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He don't believe in his heart.

[Ja Lee]

It's gonna be spicy. The Spider man suit nigga, he gonna be out there salty like the mimes are gonna be out there, man, the horses.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I'm gonna tell you why he don't believe that.

[Mandy B.]

Why he don't believe it.

[Jason Rodriguez]

The NBA is excellent. When the Knicks are in the playoffs. Knicks fans are traveling fans. They make content. It's just the energy you need. The Knicks in the playoffs, if the Knicks and the finals let it, you know. But without them in this whole experience, what's the point? You wanna see the Raptors and Fox?

[Mandy B.]

You know what you're saying right now? You're saying that it's a reality TV show and that it's rigged.

[Jason Rodriguez]

No, I'm not saying.

[Mandy B.]

You saying that they wanna see the show.

[Ja Lee]

No, no, no.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I'm not saying that they're gonna script anything to make that happen. I'm just saying it's much more lively. It's better. The machismo, the energy. And New York is a real basketball city. Not saying Atlanta. Atlanta is a real.

[Mandy B.]

Atlanta is.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Atlanta is fine. I actually didn't want this matchup first because of the media. Cause I know it's gonna be all crazy. But listen, here for it.

[Ja Lee]

Listen, you have a point to an

[Jason Rodriguez]

extent that New York City, 60% of that. When we get back to when we go up 2 zip and we come back to now, when we go up 2 zip, 60% of that crowd in the State farm is gonna be Knicks fans.

[Mandy B.]

Okay?

[Ja Lee]

New York is a centerpiece of America. But the only thing better than the Knicks being Involved with New York being involved is New York suffering. That's what America really wants. The only people who care about New York prosperity are niggas in New York. Everybody else wants y' all to suffer. And so that's what.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's what Big Body Brunson wants. Big Body Brunson.

[Ja Lee]

We got more star players than y'.

[Mandy B.]

All. You know what's crazy?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Y' all got more star players.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, we have more.

[Mandy B.]

No, you do not.

[Ja Lee]

We have more talented players.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Y' all have young, talented players coming. Players that are have.

[Ja Lee]

Josh Hart not gonna get it done.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Trajectory.

[Mandy B.]

More people know Josh Hart than the players on the Atlanta team.

[Ja Lee]

Josh Hart is not gonna get it done. That's just not gonna be.

[Jason Rodriguez]

OG's not gonna get it done. Brunson's not gonna get it. Cat ain't gonna get it done.

[Ja Lee]

OG only show up every week.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Clarkson ain't gonna get it done.

[Ja Lee]

He shows up once a week.

[Jason Rodriguez]

McBride not gonna get it done, bro.

[Mandy B.]

You know, Ja just be talking out his ass. Like, you literally. Ja, you're literally talking.

[Ja Lee]

You're gonna get like a OG AB at all. He scored 20 and had 13 rebounds.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Do you wanna see Atlanta versus Boston in the second round?

[Mandy B.]

Real quick? Who's the five starters on the Hawks?

[Listener or Guest]

Don't do that, bro.

[Mandy B.]

This thing, you just be talking out your ass.

[Ja Lee]

Don't do that.

[Mandy B.]

You just be talking about your ass.

[Ja Lee]

That's not important.

[Mandy B.]

God, this is not a sport.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Forum. CJ McCollum.

[Ja Lee]

CJ McCollum's like 49 years old.

[Mandy B.]

48 years old.

[Ja Lee]

He doesn't crawl. You know, it's crazy, though.

[Mandy B.]

We did look at his age. He's only like 33. 33.

[Ja Lee]

I know. Yeah, he's old. He's NBA old.

[Mandy B.]

But also. But also, John. Now, you just got to shut the hell up.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But no, Y got.

[Mandy B.]

You were able to just talk about mad Knicks players and couldn't name the starting five players.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I appreciate cj, though. You guys got him for this reason. For playoffs.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah. You have to finish games. Young players need to know how to finish games.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, he's 34. Well, damn, Trey Young, where he at? You brought up some suffering, y'. All. We got yomi on the mic for this episode. Cause we had quite the outing before. I went to Dallas this weekend to celebrate my good girl, Deandra Sanders, 36th birthday. Shout out to her, when are you

[Jason Rodriguez]

not ever in the air?

[Mandy B.]

Listen, I just landed today. I literally. I don't even know if you know, Jon. I just landed this morning.

[Ja Lee]

Oh, you Just got back.

[Mandy B.]

I got a 6am flight, landed at 9. Went home and showered and put a face on and came right here at 11.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's crazy.

[Ja Lee]

I thought you got back yesterday and

[Mandy B.]

was like, just, no, no, just landed this morning.

[Ja Lee]

The hustle never stops.

[Mandy B.]

And doesn't. And doesn't.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Don't ever use cocaine.

[Mandy B.]

Now I have. Shut up.

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[Listener or Guest]

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[Mandy B.]

Now.

[Listener or Guest]

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[Listener or Guest]

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[Amy Robach]

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[Mandy B.]

I have been up and down emotionally dealing with things in life. Y', all, y' all will. If you're on Patreon, you know what's been going on. But I had been looking forward for like, two weeks to go to the Boys for Life concert.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You were.

[Ja Lee]

You've been very excited about this.

[Mandy B.]

Boyz for Life is bow wow, B2K, pretty Ricky, and then a myriad of fucking opening acts. Waka, Young Jock, Crime Mob, Amerie, defranchised.

[Ja Lee]

Boy, it looked turned up in there,

[Jason Rodriguez]

like, Jesus, the energy that's crazy in that bitch. That is Prime ATL Music.

[Mandy B.]

First off, it's Prime. Early 2000s, which is.

[Ja Lee]

That's a fact.

[Mandy B.]

Hello. I'm a millennial and so was looking forward to it immensely because I was also asked to be the lap dance girl for Spectacular. Nope, nope.

[Ja Lee]

Oh, shit.

[Mandy B.]

Don't clap. Cause it didn't happen. And when we say suffering, let's just say I threw a whole tantrum. Oh, yomi. Yomi saw it. Oh, it was a whole tantrum. So you got the film, so. No, because I literally was like, don't

[Ja Lee]

record any of this.

[Mandy B.]

I said, stop recording. Just delete everything. Mind you, it's. No, no, no, no, mind you, it's us dancing beforehand. So it was me, yomi, my dj, DJ Jazzy T from the radio station, and Sharonis.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Okay, okay.

[Mandy B.]

So we're all, like, just walking to the arena. But I knew I wanted to get there early, right? Because if I know anything about State Farm Arena.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B.]

It's that they don't play about that back door. Like, to the point where the last concert I went to, they were telling Monica she couldn't enter the building. Because, baby, not Monica. Monica. That's crazy. Who. This was for the Brandi and Monica tour. They were trying to say Fire Marshals, her dancers, her stylists. Like, niggas couldn't get in. And they're like, baby, everyone that's with me has to get in. Monica literally had to. So they be cutting up back in the. Back in the day, clearly. Okay, so the person who had my tickets. And I knew it.

[Jason Rodriguez]

The plug.

[Ja Lee]

Uh. Oh.

[Mandy B.]

Sent us up to Will Call. Baby. Not to toot my own first red flag.

[Listener or Guest]

Not to toot my own flag.

[Mandy B.]

But my tickets are normally not at Wil Call. Sorry, guys. Sorry, peasants.

[Jason Rodriguez]

She need the phone access.

[Ja Lee]

I know the shit in an envelope delivered to me.

[Mandy B.]

The envelope. I go to the back door where the tour buses are. So anyways, we're told these tickets are at fucking Will Call. We go up to Will Call. We get there. The show starts at 8. We get there, like, 7:47.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Okay?

[Mandy B.]

We get to that Will Call line. Not even gonna hold you, man. People I don't get to. And mind you, I was in front of her. Cause hers was under media passes. Mine is under my name, okay? So I go in my line. I'm beating her. So she gives me her id. I don't get to the front of the line till 8:17.

[Ja Lee]

Damn.

[Mandy B.]

We literally stood in line for about 30, 25, 30 minutes to get to the front.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And that's you being there early.

[Mandy B.]

Not early enough.

[Ja Lee]

Damn.

[Mandy B.]

Just to be told, oh, there's nothing under your name here.

[Eating While Broke Guest]

Oh.

[Mandy B.]

And I'm like, okay, well, where do I go? So I'm calling the guy who left my tickets. He's telling me, a woman has my passes.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Here we go.

[Ja Lee]

And I said, didn't I tell Ticket always sus.

[Mandy B.]

But I also. But I said that we should have met backstage. Is that where I'm supposed to meet you? So we go backstage, where I knew we should have got Jerem Wood in the first place, right? And we're just being told, fire marshals, shut it down. No one's allowed in. Mind you, we get down there, we're now the only women, and we're sitting next to fucking yfn. Lucci. They're not letting Lucci in. They're like, doors shut down, 21 pulls up.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Nope.

[Mandy B.]

They're like, wait. Like. And it's. They're telling everyone to just wait. Then Bobby Valentino shows up.

[Listener or Guest]

21 got in quick.

[Mandy B.]

21 did get in quick, though. I ain't gonna hold you.

[Listener or Guest]

She waited for five seconds.

[Mandy B.]

He waited for. Lucci was waiting. Bobby V. Was waiting, and even Omarion's brothers were waiting.

[Ja Lee]

But Slaughter Gang.

[Mandy B.]

But this is what I'm saying, and it's all men back there, and it's just me. And I'm like, I need to get on stage. Like, I know the time that I'm supposed to.

[Ja Lee]

I got a thing I'm supposed to do in this bitch.

[Listener or Guest]

Like, she was like, I'm performing.

[Mandy B.]

I'm performing.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got a show to do. What the fuck you mean?

[Mandy B.]

First off, mind you, this is before I know that all these other people are actually performing, right? So, like, mind you, we're sitting here waiting. They're not letting us in. Next thing you know, I'm eavesdropping. They're like, trey songs is about to pull up. This person about to pull up. I'm like, fuck, we're never gonna get in, right? So by this point, we were, what, standing backstage? It is now 9:15. I have been outside the arena for over an hour.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Mm.

[Selective Ignorance Producer]

Mm.

[Ja Lee]

Where do they go? Where does Pretty Ricky and them go on in the set?

[Mandy B.]

9:25. It is. 9:15, 9:20. And I'm like, by this point, mind you, they done let like 20 motherfuckers in me. Yomi, Jazzy were the only girls backstage trying to get in. And I'm like, y' all need to get in. And when I tell you, they were just looking at us like we were some bird ass bitches. And then they just kept trying to say like, fire marshal, fire marshal. I'm like, fire marshal. These nuts. I said, y' all just let 20 niggas in. Like, I need to come in. Mind you, the police there policeman know me. And they're like, just wait. I can't. These white men did not want to see us. So by this point, I'm like, okay, they're just not gonna let us in. I start crying. I say, let's fucking go. I leave.

[Ja Lee]

Damn.

[Mandy B.]

I leave.

[Ja Lee]

Hold on, sir.

[Mandy B.]

Hold on.

[Listener or Guest]

She said, I told him to replace me.

[Mandy B.]

Shut the fuck up. I did. I did. I texted him and was like, you gonna have to replace me because they're not letting me in. Damn. So we go. I walk all the way home from

[Listener or Guest]

the diamond deck, from backstage.

[Ja Lee]

Oh, yeah, you got your rings closed on that one, baby.

[Mandy B.]

I leave the arena, I said, this is terrible. I feel like I was treated like a peasant. And I'm like, this is all I

[Listener or Guest]

wanted for the last two weeks.

[Mandy B.]

And I'm bawling the whole time.

[Ja Lee]

Not no whole nine.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, my God.

[Wheezy]

Just crying.

[Mandy B.]

And I'm like, yomi, just let me cry, bitch. I need to cry. I'M like, this is all I wanted, mind you. All I wanted is to be lap danced by Spectacular. It's crazy, but I'm thinking of my middle school self. Like, this is, like, what I wanted, right?

[Ja Lee]

Some real inner child shit.

[Mandy B.]

So we get all the way to the motherfucking house, and then I get a call. He's like, where you at?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Where you at, nigga?

[Mandy B.]

I'm outside. We're ready to pull you in. So I'm at home. He said, well, get here. Ask for Captain something, but get here because. And I said, I need five minutes. And yomi's like, let's hop in the car. Let's get there, baby. She zoomed it, bitch. We got back, I get pulled in. This nigga sits me by the stage, and it's like, stand right here, would you?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Mandy B.]

So I'm in front of the stage. Guess what happens? No one communicates to Spectacular where the fuck I'm at. So Spectacular is coming into the. Fucking Spectacular comes out. And he's looking. He don't see me, so he ends up pulling diamond. And so literally, when we go backstage, which y' all will see the BTS if you're on Patreon. Cause yomi did pull out the camera for this. So after they're set, I go backstage, and he's like, I was looking for you. Where were you?

[Listener or Guest]

No, but he would have came at you crazy. He said, what the fuck you doing?

[Mandy B.]

Oh, no, you talking about the. I'm talking about Spectacular. Letting me know he couldn't find me, okay? But the manager that placed me there was like, where were you? I said, nigga, exactly where the fuck you put me? And literally. So I go back and tell Spectacular, and he's like, no one told me where you are. I didn't know where you were.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And that's not your fault, bro.

[Mandy B.]

No shit.

[Ja Lee]

Miscommunication lead to complications.

[Jason Rodriguez]

When I say, you know what the problem is, right? There wasn't another woman or orchestrating this. We got a lot going on. There's a lot happening here.

[Ja Lee]

Go.

[Mandy B.]

Yomi trying to make me feel better. She's like, I don't know why, but you weren't supposed to go up there. This night is just too.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That would be.

[Mandy B.]

Literally, it wasn't meant to be. I don't know if it was gonna stop something for you or it was gonna have a negative impact, but God stepped in here. You weren't supposed to go up there and have honey drip down his body. And you weren't Supposed to be up there. And I said, bitch, I do not want to hear that shit right now.

[Ja Lee]

Wait, so missing the lap dance was heaven? Sentuism.

[Listener or Guest]

Naomi's baduism led. Everything led to her. Not like it was too. It was just too much for her to get this dance, bruh, right? And she was placed there. And it was like, okay, now that you're about to get picked and you were missed again after Comeback, you weren't.

[Ja Lee]

Well, I'm not gonna hold you. I generally abide by the rule that if something is supposed to happen and there's too many obstacles in the way, then it's like when you try to force it, that's when something fucked up happens. And then you be like, damn, why was I pressing the issue?

[Mandy B.]

It's okay. Just so you know, I'm pressing the issue. We going to Greensboro, North Carolina,

[Ja Lee]

if that shit happen in Greensboro. No, no, no, back it up.

[Mandy B.]

I'm gonna get the hotel to fly. We gonna make sure if we have any hiccups getting there, bitch, we canceling it.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But don't have nothing going on that day.

[Mandy B.]

He invited me to the Miami show, but I figured it was gonna be too much there, too. That's their hometown. And then I had to be in Dallas, so I looked at the dates. Greensboro. The only one I can make before I gotta leave out the country before the tour ends. So we gonna go to Greensboro. We gonna make it happen. I'm gonna get to see all of the sets. We're gonna be there early. Cause it's Greensboro. What the fuck else is there to do? Sorry to the Greensboro people.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Another peasant, you know.

[Mandy B.]

Shut up.

[Ja Lee]

She sound like LeBron in Memphis.

[Mandy B.]

Listen, don't do me.

[Ja Lee]

Don't do me.

[Mandy B.]

But no.

[Ja Lee]

Just be careful what you eat that day. You know what I'm saying?

[Mandy B.]

Don't.

[Ja Lee]

Don't like.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Don't, don't. Don't eat no fuddy duddy.

[Ja Lee]

Don't eat no fuddy duddy shit. And then be on stage with the cheese.

[Mandy B.]

No.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Shout out. Shout out to Indian food. I love Indian food.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, my God.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, don't.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Stay away from that.

[Ja Lee]

The tikka masala. Leave all that shit alone.

[Jason Rodriguez]

No, no. Paneer, Paneer. Nah.

[Mandy B.]

Go ahead and talk about your favorite food, the Mexican food. Do that shit, too. Go ahead and talk about it.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Stay away from the beans. Don't be.

[Ja Lee]

Don't fuck around.

[Mandy B.]

Nah, we going. We going to be good. But yeah. Damn, that was.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You a super fan? I love that fan.

[Mandy B.]

No, no, no. Y' all know again, if Y' all have been listening to me. Not only decisions, decisions, horrible decisions. But if y' all listen to. See, the thing is, y' all know how much I love that Blue Stars album.

[Ja Lee]

That means something to me.

[Mandy B.]

This is also the 20 year anniversary of that album.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Wow.

[Mandy B.]

20 years. Damn.

[Ja Lee]

It's been that long.

[Mandy B.]

It's literally been that long.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, I don't think of them as 20 years.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, I don't think. Yeah, I don't think of them as those type of versions.

[Mandy B.]

And that's another thing, too. I didn't. I missed so many, so much of their set. By the time I got in that. By the time I get in, we only got to see fucking Keith Sweat old ass, like, going across the stage like, you know, ain't nobody.

[Listener or Guest]

We did see Bow Wow set.

[Mandy B.]

We did see Bow Wow set.

[Ja Lee]

Why does he be acting like that? Why is he carrying on like that?

[Mandy B.]

But I'm not gonna lie.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Even though the steel cage matches.

[Mandy B.]

But Bow Wow, to be fair, Bow Wow set. And maybe because it was Atlanta to me, there was still a lot of songs I didn't get because he had so many people come out for his set. So he had.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Why was his set that way?

[Mandy B.]

What do you mean?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Cages.

[Mandy B.]

Beware of the Dog. Nigga act like you know anything about fucking Bow Wow.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like, literally, he don't ever use.

[Mandy B.]

He don't ever, bro. One of his albums is called Unleashed. Beware of the Dog. Like, if you go through his catalog, I think one of his album covers.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I go through his catalog.

[Mandy B.]

Don't do that.

[Listener or Guest]

I love Bow Wow, too.

[Mandy B.]

Hold on.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Brooklyn, New York.

[Ja Lee]

Bow, go ahead.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I digress, bro.

[Mandy B.]

Bow wow. Oh, yeah. He was honored.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's dope.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, that's dope.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But that's dope.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah. Oh, by the way, that's dope. Belly Gang, Cushington. He wanted. He about to be. He. I can't wait till he, like, takes more off.

[Ja Lee]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, my God. But even, like, how he went up, like, he sounded great. He was great.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yo, Bow Wow revolutionized the fucking do rag game. I go get a durag.

[Mandy B.]

Wait, you're going to get that? No, no, no. He does.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He. I mean, modern era. Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

I got the little one that looked like Versace.

[Ja Lee]

The blue with the golden velvet.

[Mandy B.]

Listen, listen. Bow with the do rags now. But no, he came out with the cage. That's like his thing.

[Ja Lee]

But it's just. So I get the cage and the dog thing, but he comes out so like, he's like gangster, and I'm like, why are you. But you know why putting on like this.

[Mandy B.]

Did you see the AI photo of him, like, fat, Fat?

[Cino Show Host]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

So he's coming out there like, I'm slim.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

I'm not as fat as that AI photo.

[Ja Lee]

But it's just crazy. Like, sing my. It's like, let me hold you, like, if that's what you like.

[Mandy B.]

You know what's crazy? He didn't do that song. Wow, bro, we. I was ready, bro. No, but, like, his catalog was a huge record, so he brought out. He brought out Jagged Edge.

[Ja Lee]

Okay.

[Mandy B.]

He brought out Jagged Edge, Trey Songz, YK Neese, Jermaine Dupri. Jermaine Dupri, Belly Gang, Cushington. And so to me. And mind you, he let them sing their songs.

[Ja Lee]

Oh.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It wasn't just a feature.

[Mandy B.]

It wasn't features. It was their song.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah. Cause I was gonna say, what? YK Nee song. He got it. Belly Gangster. So he just let them ride off.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's what's up.

[Ja Lee]

I respect that.

[Mandy B.]

So it was dope. But as a Bow Wow fan, is Bow Wow.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, you want the Bow Wow?

[Mandy B.]

So I'm hoping in Greensboro you're not

[Listener or Guest]

going to hear it.

[Mandy B.]

All right. Greensboro.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

These many niggas ain't coming out.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah. Ain't no local Greensboro legend is about to come out on Pow Wow.

[Mandy B.]

Who come out?

[Ja Lee]

Greensboro, North Carolina. Right?

[Mandy B.]

North Carolina. Peter Pablo.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Ja Lee]

Cole ain't coming out.

[Mandy B.]

Cole is not coming down.

[Ja Lee]

Boss is not coming down.

[Mandy B.]

Cole is in China.

[Ja Lee]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah.

[Ja Lee]

He's in China. Anyway, Fonte and Pooh not coming out.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Nah, they not coming out.

[Ja Lee]

Knife Wonder not coming out. Who?

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, who else is from North Carolina?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Or they're gonna have to bring niggas out. They gonna have to bring.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, maybe the baby.

[Ja Lee]

Maybe the baby.

[Mandy B.]

Maybe the baby.

[Ja Lee]

Maybe the baby. You might get Huncho.

[Mandy B.]

I thought Honcho was, like, from Mississippi.

[Ja Lee]

Oh, I didn't even know Honcho was from North Carolina. That's news to me.

[Mandy B.]

Okay.

[Listener or Guest]

A connection to Greensboro.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, wait. If he got a connect, probably Huncho. I could see Huncho coming out. Okay.

[Listener or Guest]

All right.

[Ja Lee]

Shout out to Bow Wow.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, man.

[Mandy B.]

I think we'll be able to get more Bow Wow songs. Anyways. That was my thing, so hopefully next week, y', all, I can. And let y' all know if the honey was warmed, if he smelled good.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Can I ask you a question?

[Ja Lee]

What were.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You didn't tell us. What were you wearing? Where at State Farm for the.

[Mandy B.]

Fine. I was fine. Shit.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I just wanna. I'm Trying to get a visual.

[Mandy B.]

I had on, like, a Von Dutch tank top. Because 90s. Just some shorts and some boots. I kept it.

[Ja Lee]

Kept it simple.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But you was ready for the moment.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, but now I'm like, nigga, now I gotta think of another outfit. That one came together last minute.

[Ja Lee]

Do you have your own plans for what you're gonna do when you get up there? I know it's his show, but, like,

[Mandy B.]

do you have a thing that you

[Ja Lee]

want to do when you get up there?

[Mandy B.]

I would like to, like, cowgirl. Yeah. I'm gonna open my legs. So no dress. I do wanna no dress.

[Ja Lee]

Okay.

[Mandy B.]

Cause that's something I used to do on my tour. I used to just be like. But last show I did that, I split my pants, so I know I'm not doing.

[Listener or Guest]

I was just like, what? If you would have had a wardrobe?

[Mandy B.]

Not in the outfit I wore, there wouldn't have been no wardrobe.

[Jason Rodriguez]

She would break today's Internet, though.

[Mandy B.]

I don't know. I'm also just hoping to, like, when. Cause I done seen him do it enough times. Cause it's gone viral. Right?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Right.

[Mandy B.]

So I want to, like, maybe rub his nipples like that.

[Ja Lee]

Okay. Okay. Okay.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You know, clock areola.

[Mandy B.]

You know, I mean, just vibe on. I gotta think of what I wanted. Because, mind you, too, when blue stars dropped, I was still a virgin. So a lot of those songs used to make my clit jump. And I didn't know what I was feeling because it was before I was even fucking. You know what I mean?

[Ja Lee]

So that's my next question.

[Mandy B.]

So to hear this music. And now, like, that shit is on my playlist.

[Ja Lee]

Wait, so all right, so if this gentleman becomes aroused during this lap dance.

[Mandy B.]

So here's the thing. Me and my friends were talking about it. I'm pretty sure that that towel. I'm gonna let y' all know. Pretty sure that that towel is, like, sewed. The towel has not come off in none of the things. And I also am all about consent. Okay? So I'm not gonna be doing. I'm not. Not too much.

[Ja Lee]

You know, Janet Jackson got up there. If you a nigga and you get up there to Janet, she gonna grab your dick.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, for real?

[Ja Lee]

You've seen the videos of Janet Jackson. She's gonna. She has niggas, like, spread ego on the fucking pinwheel of death. And then she'll be right underneath you and be like, yeah, yeah.

[Mandy B.]

I just don't think.

[Ja Lee]

What you gonna do, nigga, I ain't

[Mandy B.]

trying to do all that. I ain't Trying to do all that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Fair enough.

[Mandy B.]

Well, Jah, let's get into you. Cause you dropped this in the chat. And over the last couple weeks, I had to get out of collaborating with that post.

[Ja Lee]

Oh, tons of. Tons of.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, my God, it's terrible. They're just wilding. It's still gone.

[Ja Lee]

They're out of pocket.

[Mandy B.]

But basically, last week or a couple weeks ago, at this point, we talked about the Drew Ski skit of the conservative white woman, mind you, which had no name to it.

[Ja Lee]

No name attached to it at all.

[Mandy B.]

White woman.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Correct.

[Mandy B.]

And I posed the question because this was one that I was seeing, made an argument online regarding blackface and whiteface. But if a white comedian does it right now as satire.

[Ja Lee]

Right.

[Mandy B.]

Would it make us upset? Would it draw emotion? All those things. Now, if you could play the clip. Yomi Jake Paul recently sat down on the Theo Vaughn podcast, and this is what he had to say.

[Jake Paul (clip)]

Ask you something, because I've been over the last couple of days calling makeup artists, and I was gonna do a response to this and, like, go and do, like the full on darker. Yeah. And do it and just do it back. Because why not?

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, because why not?

[Jake Paul (clip)]

Like, are we on the same playing field?

[Mandy B.]

Like, oh, now white people want to be on the same field.

[Cino Show Host]

If there's a way to do it.

[Ja Lee]

Oh, singing in.

[Jake Paul (clip)]

Well, this.

[Ja Lee]

Even this sentence.

[Cino Show Host]

But if there's a way to do it.

[Jake Paul (clip)]

I've been here many times.

[Cino Show Host]

If there's a way to do it,

[Jake Paul (clip)]

I think, yeah, I think there needs

[Mandy B.]

to be some black support for. Listen, character. I think, like, I'm saying, like, say if Drew Ski.

[Jake Paul (clip)]

Or I'm trying to think of somebody else.

[Ja Lee]

Charles Barkley.

[iHeart Country Festival Announcer]

Charles Barkley.

[Mandy B.]

If you got one of those guys

[Jake Paul (clip)]

to be like, hey, D, I want

[Cino Show Host]

you to do this skit with me.

[Mandy B.]

Let's do this.

[Ja Lee]

But.

[Jake Paul (clip)]

But still, that's. That's pussy now.

[Cino Show Host]

You think it is. To me, there's a level of like.

[Jake Paul (clip)]

Doesn't that make us more us and them, like, prejudice. Oh, like more prejudice. That makes us. If we have to partner with someone. Drew Ski just dropped this, and he's done it a couple of times. Exactly. I love it. This is great. This is how humans should be. I agree. We should fucking make fun of each other. And I don't see in color. I see in truth and comedy.

[Mandy B.]

And I'm going to. I'm going to let you go, by the way, y'. All. This. This is literally the conversation that has again reiterated why the conversation I had was. Was questioning the new. If there could be nuance in this right now, listening to this, ja, have at it.

[Ja Lee]

Well, first and foremost, like he's talking about pussying out. He couldn't even say the word blackface. Like that's how pussy Jake Paul is. And Theo Vaughn gave him like a pussy ass out of like, oh, darker. Like, no, just say the shit. If you bout that, if you really bout that. Like you say, oh, I wanna do blackface, say blackface. You can't even say it. That's how you know you're on some bullshit off top. You know you have no, there's no good faith, it's not a jingle. And on top of that, Jake Paul's not smart enough to do satire. Satire requires some level or funny enough. Satire requires intelligence.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Look at you.

[Mandy B.]

But see what you're saying is the question that I posed, if there's this level of comedy and satire, are you saying if someone that was funny enough or big enough, could they get away with this then?

[Ja Lee]

Well, the only person that's gotten close to getting away with that was Robert Downey Jr. In Tropic Thunder. And that whole thing was satire. Even in the comments, people was like, oh, Robert Downey Jr. Did it. What's the big deal? That was satire. The whole purpose of that whole thing was poking fun at the absurdity of the racism. But Robert Downey Jr. Is not just walking around like that was. That's not the same thing as what he's trying to do. He admits that, that he's trying to do it as a response.

[Mandy B.]

As a response.

[Ja Lee]

Why do you need a response? A response to what? Like there's nothing about this that requires, oh, well, they made fun of us, so now we should do some shit. So what are you going to do in your response? What is your idea of a response?

[Jason Rodriguez]

To do what he always wanted to do. He just needed this. Is this is his cuff or his reason to be stupid?

[Ja Lee]

What are you going to do?

[Mandy B.]

You're going to be selectively ignorant?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, super selectively ignorant.

[Ja Lee]

You're going to eat watermelon and do a jig and guess the balls, not you giving him the skin and eat fried chicken and we're supposed to sit back and laugh at it?

[Jason Rodriguez]

They did it already thousands and thousands of times.

[Ja Lee]

But it's like, but you want credit for that? So the fact that you can't even call it blackface is already the first thing that just lets me know, like you're not even really about that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Also, they not educated enough in this conversation as it Relates to what blackface is, the historical context, even how that became about. They're just looking at it in the moment. Like, bro, there's a thing. Yes.

[Mandy B.]

I think it's just funny that he said, can we not create an equal playing field here? White people and black people. Like, white people don't want an even playing field with black people ever. But now, oh, my God. But then also a couple sentences later refers to it as us. Like, us versus them thing.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Right.

[Mandy B.]

So which one is it? Which one is it?

[Ja Lee]

But this is why I said months ago when I proposed, ice cold period, that white people have not suffered enough because they still don't get it.

[Mandy B.]

They don't get it.

[Ja Lee]

They don't get it. Like, they think it's something else. And it's like, bro, do that shit if you want to. He's talking about if there's a right way to do it. I tell you the right way to do it. Put on that black face and then come down here on Monday and walk in Magic City with that shit on. Take that shit to south side of Chicago, 79th street with that shit on and walk down there with that shit on your face. Go to Detroit, go to D.C. go to Jackson, Mississippi, and do that shit down there. And then see. And then come back and tell me who left and see if it's the right way. See if you get the black support that you're looking for down there, you gonna go home in a bag, nigga. Like, that's what's gonna happen to you. Like, all right, facts.

[Mandy B.]

All right, facts.

[Ja Lee]

Fuck around, Jake Paul.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, they just look fucking fuck around.

[Ja Lee]

Do it. I wanna see him do it now. I'm not gonna hold you. I wanna see him do it, too.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I mean, I'm not gonna lie too long.

[Mandy B.]

They try to put out money out, Jake. You got the money to where this shit could have been done in a day.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, and we got enough sellouts in our own community and culture that would fucking take the bag and help you with the shit.

[Ja Lee]

Don't he have a fight coming up?

[Jason Rodriguez]

I don't know if he's gonna fight.

[Ja Lee]

Is he fighting somebody?

[Jason Rodriguez]

I know he got his ass beat.

[Ja Lee]

Go fight. Go in the ring and fight with

[Jason Rodriguez]

blackface by Big Joshua.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, go in the ring.

[Mandy B.]

He did. Oh, he probably not gonna fight.

[Ja Lee]

No.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Time to put the beats by Dre on his ass.

[Mandy B.]

Hell, no.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Anthony Joshua.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, no. He not coming back till early 2027.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, put blackface on and come in the ring and do that shit.

[Mandy B.]

He not.

[Ja Lee]

He do That I wanna honestly, this

[Jason Rodriguez]

shit need to beat the brace off

[Mandy B.]

that door at this point. I agree.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Because the person that that Drew Ski was mocking, they put a name on it. Drew Ski never put a name on it.

[Ja Lee]

He had the hit dog hollered.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So that means that they're in support of said woman. Right. And that alignment and agenda. Right.

[Ja Lee]

Trump said.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Cause it's not just about blackface here. Whiteface.

[Mandy B.]

All I know is if somebody try to satire me and look like that, I'm not claiming that.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, right.

[Listener or Guest]

Y' all better not kiss me.

[Mandy B.]

I'm fucking up everybody who send it to me, making it like, that's what I look like. That's what I look like to you. Like, anybody ever be like, you look like, you look like someone? Like, let me show you their page. And then they try you, like, you know, I don't look like that. Don't play with me.

[Listener or Guest]

I went and sat on the little ottoman in front of him.

[Cino Show Host]

I said, hi, dad.

[Listener or Guest]

And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen and she says, I have some cookies and milk. Badass. Convict me, right? Just finished five years. I'm gonna have cookies and milk at mom.

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[Listener or Guest]

I'm an alcoholic and without this trope, I'm gonna die.

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[Amy Robach]

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[Girlfriends Podcast Co-host]

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[Listener or Guest]

I feel like it was a little bit unbelievable until I really started making money.

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[Listener or Guest]

If I'm outside with my parents and they see all these people come up to me for pictures, it's like, what today? Now, Obviously, it's like 100%. They believe everything. But at first it was just like, you got to go get a real job.

[Eating While Broke Guest]

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[Eating While Broke Host]

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[Nick, Dick and Paul Show Host]

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[Nick, Dick and Paul Show Co-host]

Who do you think he is?

[Jason Rodriguez]

I don't know.

[Nick, Dick and Paul Show Host]

You meet the, like, the president.

[Nick, Dick and Paul Show Co-host]

You think it goes the president. You think Canada has a president? You think China has a president? Let's walk, Cruisette. God, I love that thing. I use it all the time. I wrap it in a blanket and sing to it at night.

[Nick, Dick and Paul Show Host]

It's like the old Polish saying, not my monkeys, not my circus. Yep, it was a good one.

[Mandy B.]

I like that saying.

[Nick, Dick and Paul Show Co-host]

It's an actual Polish saying.

[Ja Lee]

It is an actual Polish.

[Nick, Dick and Paul Show Co-host]

Better version of play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[Listener or Guest]

Yes.

[Nick, Dick and Paul Show Co-host]

Which one? Which, by the way, wasn't Taylor Swift. Who said that for the first time? I actually. I thought it was. I got that wrong.

[Nick, Dick and Paul Show Host]

Listen to the Nick, Dick and Paul show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ja Lee]

I was playing basketball one time, dribbled the ball to half court, mixed crowd. White guy stopped me, said, dude, you look just like that guy from state property. Guy from state property. What's the guy from the Beanie Siegel guy. You look just like me. I said, nigga, what?

[Mandy B.]

He said, you look like Beanie Seaborne.

[Ja Lee]

White man told me I look like Beanie Seabay.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Fucked up your vibe. Everything.

[Ja Lee]

Like, I wanted to hit him a chest pass in his face. Like, bro, what are you talking about?

[Mandy B.]

Well, I'd rather that than everyone in the comments. This past week with our clip on Amber Rose letting me know how, oh, I'm not black.

[Ja Lee]

That you're not black anymore.

[Jason Rodriguez]

They were playing the Jake Paul role with you because the bigger competition.

[Ja Lee]

What do you mean?

[Jason Rodriguez]

They're playing to Jake Paul because he's using the angle, right? To justify the bullshit that he's about to do. Right? They're using. Every time we have a racial conversation on these mics, they always wanna bring up her vibration. The issue of the matter is right. What Amber was talking had nothing to do with you. No, Even that.

[Listener or Guest]

Hold on.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Ain't her mama white every time, bro.

[Mandy B.]

Not only that, I've actually lived and traveled abroad. I don't know how many stamps you

[Ja Lee]

bitches have that would talk shit.

[Mandy B.]

But when I go overseas, because they were also in there, like, like on some colorism shit.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Colorism for sure.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, you're so fair. Nah, N think you Latin, they don't think you black. And I'm like, I literally, in the clip, I think it even mentions, like, me and my other two biracial homegirls abroad were being called Destiny's Child. Destiny's Child. No habl Espanol. Yeah, okay, so, bitch, they had to have. They see us as black girls.

[Ja Lee]

Of course they do.

[Mandy B.]

Like, even back then, they were touching my hair like I was getting braids back then. Like, bro, what are we talking about?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like, Mandy is a full blooded.

[Mandy B.]

And then wait till I open my mouth.

[Jason Rodriguez]

She got the bumble clot DNA.

[Ja Lee]

Not even the bumble clot DNA.

[Mandy B.]

You know how much them motherfuckers was wrong? Guess who couldn't pull a Latina up in Dykman? Me.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Them.

[Mandy B.]

N. Even the Dominicans in Dykman knew a bitch was black. Okay? They never came up to me talking Spanish in fucking Washington Heights. Dykeman.

[Ja Lee]

They understood it like, oh, yeah, me

[Mandy B.]

and Karl, we black.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Like, so if I'm not even mistaken, as Latino and fucking Dykman, y' all got me fucked up, okay?

[Ja Lee]

Don't motherfucking come to me. That's wild. But also, it's funny that people bring that up as if, like, I think

[Jason Rodriguez]

that they never deal with the topic at hand.

[Ja Lee]

No, they never deal with the topic at hand. But also, I think that a lot of black people think that biracial black people who present black are ashamed of their white parents. Like, I think that's the common. I think that's the common thought that they have is like, oh, if I say, ain't your mama white? That's gonna be a sore spot for her. Or that's gonna poke some bear that feels like, hurtful. And I'm like, but here's the thing.

[Jason Rodriguez]

The reason why they know her mama's white is cause Mandy's had her mama on multiple platforms, right? So she's celebrating her mom in real time.

[Mandy B.]

I love my mama black.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So why I say ain't her mama white?

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, but they also pick and choose who they do that, too.

[Mandy B.]

Well, no, no, no, no. Because now it's a. Just because your dad is black, genetically, that doesn't make you more black than if your mom is black. If your mom apparently. Science, bitch. I don't know what these motherfuckers be talking about, but they, like, dissect it that much to where it's like. But you also don't know that I only grew up around my black family that I didn't. Like, my mama was the only white person within my white family outside of my great grandmother, that I even knew about. Go ahead. Your mother is black as fuck.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Your mother became black.

[Ja Lee]

I gotta meet your mom. I never met your mom.

[Mandy B.]

You met my mama, right? I haven't.

[Ja Lee]

I haven't met your mama. Yes, you did.

[Mandy B.]

She was on a pod.

[Jason Rodriguez]

No, I wasn't there that day. That was around the time when I

[Mandy B.]

had a. I heart. Oh, yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I had a death.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, that's right. That's right.

[Listener or Guest]

That's right.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So her mama.

[Mandy B.]

My mama's a trip.

[Ja Lee]

Did she come to Atlanta?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, she was at.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, yeah. Next time she's here.

[Mandy B.]

No, no, next time my mama here. What I'm finna make her do is make all y' all a fucking oxtail rice and peas.

[Ja Lee]

I'm going to have my mama go down.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Do they know where you was conceived?

[Mandy B.]

In Orlando.

[Ja Lee]

Pure Florida woman don't do that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Well, I'm just leaning into her dad's side for a minute. You know, I want to show the world how black she is and her mother got when she was conceived, I mean.

[Ja Lee]

Oh, like, did the slider move a little bit?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Belly.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You wanna romp?

[Ja Lee]

You wanna romp with me?

[Jason Rodriguez]

She has a lot of rock with her in her DNA.

[Mandy B.]

We're not doing that.

[Ja Lee]

That.

[Mandy B.]

We're not doing that. Just so y' all know, very black over here, my dad is here on a green card.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You know how to make Mac and cheese?

[Mandy B.]

You said what?

[Jason Rodriguez]

You know how to make macaroni and cheese? Mac and cheese.

[Mandy B.]

First off, I guess I got to cook for y', all, too, so y' all can expect me on this one.

[Ja Lee]

Do I need to.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I know. I just want you to tell me.

[Ja Lee]

I want to know.

[Mandy B.]

Hold on. You Want to know.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You had my cooking before.

[Mandy B.]

No, you haven't.

[Listener or Guest]

I've only had snacks at your house.

[Ja Lee]

Hold on.

[Mandy B.]

Let's be very clear.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I have faith that. I have faith that she, like, she cannot. Yo, bro, we would roast her. She has to know.

[Mandy B.]

No, no, no.

[Ja Lee]

I feel like she probably has something in her wrist.

[Mandy B.]

Pickles and uncrustables.

[Ja Lee]

That's crazy. Combination. That's what I. Pickles and uncrustables.

[Mandy B.]

I am. I am the definition of girl dinner.

[Ja Lee]

Okay? Like, shout out to all the girl dinners out here.

[Mandy B.]

She has all the dips when I'm home.

[Ja Lee]

Oh, yeah. All the tzatziki sauce, all the hummus. She got a little spinach artichoke snack pack.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Guacamole.

[Ja Lee]

Guacamole. As you peel the top back, it should be like, funny color green.

[Mandy B.]

Listen, drinkable yogurt.

[Jason Rodriguez]

My house is there nothing Squeezable yogurt.

[Ja Lee]

Yo, go. Yo, yo, yo.

[Listener or Guest]

I got.

[Mandy B.]

I got all of it. I'm. I'm childish, but I will. Maybe that first week of May, after we get back from Ghana, I'll do a whole spread and cook for y' all like a Sunday dinner style.

[Ja Lee]

Love that.

[Mandy B.]

Maybe we'll record on a Saturday or Monday, but we'll do a. And we'll vlog it.

[Ja Lee]

I'm saying we'll vlog.

[Mandy B.]

We'll vlog it. If y' all are on the Patreon. Patreon.com backslash with Mandy.

[Ja Lee]

B. I with that.

[Mandy B.]

All right, this is America. Let's get into it, guys. Sponsors pulled out. Actually, the whole wireless festival has now been canceled. Entire thing entirely. But basically, after being announced as the headliner, multiple sponsors started dropping. You had Pepsi. That fell out first, and then followed by Rock Rockstar, which is an energy drink. PayPal. And so many headliners started pulling out, including Diageo, which is the liquor that pretty much wireless sat here and not only canceled the whole festival, but furthermore, the entire UK decided to put a ban on Kanye west to keep him from entering the country in its entirety. Now, what the Internet has been discussing is essentially, is this not what his rants were speaking of. When we felt like he was going down this anti Semitic rant of saying that the Jews own everything and that they have control of everything, from the music industry to clearly these companies to the fashion world. He just said that they own everything and, you know, decided to speak out against it. He. What is this? Oh, he did.

[Listener or Guest]

That's where last.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, last time he headlined this same festival was back in 2014. Now, I'm curious Yalls thoughts because this did. It was interesting. We saw the dates drop for this, which did align with the Jay Z Yankee.

[iHeart Country Festival Announcer]

Correct.

[Mandy B.]

Which made a lot of people discuss it. But also this also happened right after he had his. Was it sold out the SoFi.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah. Two nights in a row.

[Mandy B.]

Two nights in a row at SoFi in which he did rake in $33 million.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yup, yup.

[Mandy B.]

What are your thoughts, guys? Before I listen, y' all ain't gonna like mine.

[Ja Lee]

So we talked about this on CNN yesterday.

[Mandy B.]

What was the soft flex?

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Mandy B.]

Like,

[Ja Lee]

and so my thing with it is this. And this is. I feel like I need to be more clear about this because even the panelists who I was on TV with yesterday seem to take this as some type of defense of Kanye West.

[Mandy B.]

Okay?

[Ja Lee]

Kanye west deserves all the consequences that he's receiving. Everything that he's done so far is going to get you consequences. There's not anything that you can't wear a swastika jacket, you can't put on a whole KKK suit. You can't make a song called Hal Hitler and expect there not to be any consequences.

[Jason Rodriguez]

No, you had a consequence.

[Ja Lee]

That was a

[Mandy B.]

tomato, tomato, tomato.

[Ja Lee]

But my question is, or the question that I asked was, is the UK government cherry picking this particular issue? Because Kanye west is not going to be the only artist who says things, does things that people might be disagreeable with.

[Mandy B.]

Okay?

[Ja Lee]

And I guess my question is like, what is the a. What is the line of, okay, you've gone too far, we're not going to let you in this country anymore. And this dates didn't just come out recently. They had been announced that this is when wireless is going on. Kanye's gonna be there. So what are we talking about here as far as what is the specific reason that UK government is using. Now I know that they have the history of Nazism and fighting Hitler tried to blow up the whole Europe and England was a big part of that whole thing of why they want, why they're standing hard against people who support Nazism. I get that whole thing.

[Mandy B.]

And that's essentially why he was banned. I will tell you now all this shit keeps showing is that the US is a bunch of pussy ass hoes who actually don't stand on consequence. And I say that because the other countries, the people who were in them. Epstein listening. Actually had consequences. They were removed from positions. They were taken out. They had to resign.

[Ja Lee]

Who had to resign. And all type of stuff.

[Mandy B.]

There was actual pressure to people who chose to behave in a certain way with positions that they held that that went against. And N had to resign.

[Ja Lee]

Mm.

[Mandy B.]

I think we are still waiting on consequence here, even for the Epstein, that

[Ja Lee]

we probably will never see.

[Mandy B.]

My point. And so we have this idea of freedom of speech, but people forget that that doesn't go without consequence.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Sure.

[Mandy B.]

And so for me, I'm not mad that these other countries be standing on big balls on big business. Like, you're not gonna come in and think that we support your rhetoric the same way. Imagine if, and this is to the extreme, someone like a Hitler, someone like that, our country keeps people from coming into this country that they feel like could cause harm to the nation or start riots or start. Like, they don't want people back in here. They kicking people to actually live here out of it. So to me, it's no different than that. I'm not mad if the things that Kanye has said sits him in this position.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, it is what it is.

[Mandy B.]

It is what it is. I mean, and I think it's interesting too, that we do. We pick and we choose when we want to say that. Okay, now we're gonna let him come out and perform again. Like, nigga puts a big old globe in the middle of an arena and everyone forgets the things that he said that have had actual impacts on our presidency. Nigga, you align with, like, if we're talking about the state of the economy and where the US Currently is, He played a role in who the fuck our president is right now.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Possibly the attitude.

[Mandy B.]

The attitude. But also running. Running back when he was taking votes away back in the 2016 election by even just trying to run.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Well, I humbly say this. He knew the error, right? And all the things he says because he wouldn't have had this public viewing of him and the rabbi having a conversation.

[Mandy B.]

That's what I'm saying. All that shit is fake.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And I think that that looking at the optics down, this is the precursor to, I guess all the things he was trying to do behind the scenes.

[Ja Lee]

I mean, even that apology. Yeah, the apology.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It seems like he's trying to garner faith. The thing is, when you are that highly successful and you've been taking old money, old money, old money, just cause those people that you. The old money, they don't care about your hip hop relevance at all. Not even though they just expect you to behave in a certain manner because

[Ja Lee]

they gave you the.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah. Fall in line the minute you go around and do all those things. Constantly, over and over. And even when you've been given grace and you do it again.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

And it's like, okay, what y' all think happened? Y' all think people just really started caring about freak offs and Cassie? Nah. Diddy tried to sue fucking Diageo. And the niggas was like, oh, but that's what I'm saying.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like, so now when you say Pepsi, I called it. When I saw Pepsi, I said, oh, this shit is not. I didn't know that the whole thing was gonna. But I said, the more sponsors is

[Ja Lee]

definitely gonna and Pepsi is the biggest sponsor.

[Jason Rodriguez]

They're the big dog. Once the big dog, it's not like one of the little dogs is like. I was like, yo, hold on, chill. Pepsi said, yo, we don't need. And that means well.

[Mandy B.]

And then it was Diageo too.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And there's more conversations with old money. Talking with old money, saying, yo, we can't have this.

[Ja Lee]

But also, let's be clear, Pepsi pulled out. Like all these people pulled out after the fact.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Correct.

[Ja Lee]

At that time, if no one had said nothing, this thing would have just went off.

[Jason Rodriguez]

As it is, it seems like they were still shaky. It seemed like a lot of conversations were still happening. And I think when they saw that could be, they saw the Sofi shit and they were like, man, what is he gonna do here? We can't really.

[Mandy B.]

By the way, this is interesting. Pepsi not only pulled out from this, they ended their decade long relationship with the wireless festival.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Ooh, that's big. So that's old money and somewhat new money squabbling behind the scenes. That's what it looks like. And he wasn't worth the risk, by the way.

[Mandy B.]

This decision, when you talk about old money. So here we go. The decision to withdraw was made just hours after the UK Prime Minister Starmer and Jewish leadership groups condemned the festival for platforming it.

[Ja Lee]

Wow. So there you go, old money, brother.

[Mandy B.]

Prime Minister Gates. But this became political. And that's the thing when you talk out about this was his rants were viewed as anti Semitic, which is hate speech. Which again, if we had someone say the things that he was saying about that group of people to even us, bro, we'd be boycotting anyone being able to perform and do those things as well.

[Ja Lee]

But that's my question though, because when you said they just sold out SoFi two nights in a row, bunch of people in there, black people, probably some Jews in there too, who don't give a fuck about whatever it is. They just want Kanye West. They love Kanye west, they love the art, they love the music. People will overlook anything.

[Mandy B.]

You know how we have coons in our community? Ooh, Jewish people have them too. And so to me, if money or greed or something supersedes whatever. Sometimes morals don't align with a whole group of people. Right. But it is if you. I don't know if the last time ye tried to go on tour, there's tons of arenas around the country that will not let ye perform. There's already been arenas that have said, I don't know if you could pull that up. But he had tried already. There's certain arenas that don't let him out.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's more old money. That's more old money. It goes back to. If you can look up all of these establishments.

[Mandy B.]

There we go.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Funded on old money. Them old people are still existing to this day, and they have a short tolerance for this shit.

[Mandy B.]

100% United center in Chicago. Okay, Sofi. They just let him back in.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He can't come to State Farm.

[Mandy B.]

No, State Farm.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Not State Farm. Mercedes Benz.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, yeah. Mercedes Benz told him he couldn't go

[Jason Rodriguez]

to jail because he owed. He owed, like, wild money or some shit.

[Ja Lee]

But, I mean, Mercedes Benz is.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, German. Oh, oh, oh, there we go.

[Ja Lee]

You know, they don't.

[Mandy B.]

There we go.

[Ja Lee]

You know, they don't.

[Jason Rodriguez]

They let him record his album there.

[Ja Lee]

Do the whole show. The whole thing.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, yeah, that's where he was living. Right. And then they kicked that nigga out. Yeah.

[Ja Lee]

Like, it's interesting, though, because had wireless gone on, hundreds of thousands of people would have flooded wireless festival to watch Kanye west perform and been happy about it.

[Mandy B.]

Let's be very clear, though, the videos

[Ja Lee]

that were circulated, so this is the government saying this. I just want to be carbon. The people did not raise a stink of saying, how dare you have Kanye. This isn't a cancel culture thing of, oh, my God. How dare you let Kanye west come in our country after you did this? The people were ready to go see that fucking show. The government said, ah, we can't do that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

They put their dick on the table. Like, yeah.

[Mandy B.]

And some people. And I think that that's the interesting part, Right. I saw Chloe Bailey kind of got under attack because she signed to Beyonce's Parkwood.

[Ja Lee]

Yep.

[Mandy B.]

And ye has not only talked craziness around Beyonce and Jay, but has also spoken about their kids. So people were literally saying, chloe, oh, sis, you're throwing your career away by even attending this concert. But there's a lot of celebrities that were in attendance that people were Questioning, like, where do you stand in morality if you're supporting this party?

[Ja Lee]

The one who got it crazy was Aubrey o'. Day. They were killing her because she talked. You don't go through the whole Diddy and you abuse her and the whole thing. And then all of a sudden, so you're on Diddy's ass.

[Mandy B.]

But even though, let's be very clear, Kanye, outside of the anti Semitism that apparently supersedes the fact that he had sexual assault allegations and harassment charges from high members when he was at Adidas and Union, like there are sexual assault allegations that this nigga was making them watch porn in meetings and talking about his dick and sending videos to people, to people that he worked with. So that got swept under the rug.

[Ja Lee]

And Kanye was in full support of Diddy. Kanye was a free Diddy nigga. Kanye was all these bitches is lying. They just coming out trying to take down a black man. And that was Kanye. And so you as Aubrey o' Day doing a get ready with me. I'm about to go to the YE concert for the second night in a row.

[Mandy B.]

That's all nasty.

[Ja Lee]

You look crazy as hell.

[Mandy B.]

So that's where. And guys, that's where even this show, like, we all teeter in lines of hypocrisy.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Sure, sure.

[Mandy B.]

Because the way that you were tormented by a diddy for as many years and as vocal as you were about not supporting that man and the things he did to where you didn't sign the NDA, you weren't even willing to be paid off, but yet you spent your time and coins for a Kanye

[Ja Lee]

west supporting the man that supports him.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Could it be that they just gave ye grace

[Ja Lee]

for celebrities?

[Jason Rodriguez]

I'm looking at the look Erykah Badu Bruh.

[Ja Lee]

I mean that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I mean, but Erykah Badu Koi Lerae Rod Wave, Kevin Gates, the gang, Rich the kid, India Love asap Ness.

[Mandy B.]

I'm not surprised with any.

[Ja Lee]

So here's the.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So I think there's a.

[Ja Lee]

But here's another element of this right where. And I feel like this isn't really talked about enough. Like for some of these celebrities, they might have their own. You know, it might. Some of it might be clout chasing. Some of it might be some of these people actually like Dave Chappelle really knows Kanye West. He's really his friend, he loves. So who knows? Like he's gonna go support his friend. He's got to partner. But here's the other part of it. But not for those celebrities, but for the people like for the regular everyday person who spent 3, 4, $500 to go there, what does it say about them, right, that you went to go to see this show? And the thing that I think isn't talked about enough is that especially with black people, I feel like we have this emotional attachment to our legacy artists because there's a scarcity mentality that says if we don't protect our legends, we don't have that many legends. And if we don't protect the legends that we have, who will we have left? Because there's no reason to go to die on these hills. But people continuously die on these.

[Mandy B.]

Well, it's funny that you say that. It's funny that you say that. That brings us to this past week. Hip hop legend Afrika Bamba, another one, same problem. He passed. And when I say, damn, it's been very difficult for people to find space in celebrating what he did for hip hop.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You can't do it.

[Mandy B.]

But also the fact that he never had the consequence of his actions because of so basically Africa, Nevada has been accused by multiple people, multiple young men, of sexual assault, sexual batteries, trafficking, sexual assault, trafficking of minors, boys between the ages of 12 and 16, for decades, decades, to the point where people were aware of it. And unfortunately, by the time those boys decided to come forward, they had reached statute of limitations. And so there couldn't be anything but civil suits brought up months.

[Ja Lee]

Which he paid. Which he paid.

[Mandy B.]

Unfortunately, he was never charged. And so even in his passing, it's been interesting seeing people draw the fact that he did this awful thing as a person. But fuck, he was a pioneer in this space. And so hearing you talk about it, I. It's weird because we're pulled in those spaces.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, 100%. And I. I'm not gonna say empathize. I understand the concept that some people, people close to him, especially when I first saw the African Bamba, the past, the first thing that came to my mind is that KRS1 is about to be nasty about this, like. Cause he's already been on. He's already been on the record multiple times trying to do that. Yeah, yeah, he's been on record multiple times trying to play this semantic game of like, even said outright that some people are above critique. And he feels like Afrika Bambaata is one of those people that's above critique

[Mandy B.]

because they probably thought that of Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein as well, and Diddy and Bill Cosby. And when you reach a certain level of power, this idea that consequences in your fucking shit Just shouldn't matter and should be swept under the rug. I don't understand is the problem and is the level of hypocrisy where we are where when you say, dang, why did UK ban this nigga Is because in the US for real, for real, consequence ain't really held on the people that should be held on. And we get to a point where if you make a certain amount of money, if you reach a certain status in, whether it be your family, your community, a certain career, a certain job, you're literally above consequence.

[Ja Lee]

But I don't know what it will take. And maybe this is just human nature and it will never become a thing, but at some point, we gotta get over that. And I don't know what has to happen for people to get over that idea of, like, idolatry and, like, celebrity worship and whatever the thing is that keeps people from just being like, oh, this is a nasty fuck. I'm done with this person.

[Mandy B.]

Nasty motherfucker.

[Ja Lee]

Like, we're not talking about somebody who has a bad idea or a take you disagree with or some shit like that. Trafficking young boys, sexual assault. Like, stomping a woman out, chasing her down the hallway, stomping her out in a towel. Like, this should be easy stuff to just be like, all right, cool, we're done with it.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But also, there's no code of ethics anymore, bro.

[Mandy B.]

Not at all.

[Jason Rodriguez]

None at all.

[Mandy B.]

But it reminds me of for all the victims that take so long to come out. Like, we saw how long it took women to right, like men. It's even harder for them as sexual assault victims to come out and let it be known that they were sexually violated. It's challenging your man because then it's challenging your whole sexuality. And it's. And there's just not been that space for men to come out and speak openly about their sexual assault. And we're hearing it even more, even with the Diddy case, that this has happened to men within this industry for a long time, for sure. And I don't know, it's just.

[Ja Lee]

I just want n to get, like you said, a code of ethics or something. A backbone, a spine. Give a fuck. Like, period give a fuck. Like, if we could just get to that, like, small level, one level. Just give a fuck about these people do this shit.

[Mandy B.]

They do. They give a fuck about themselves.

[Ja Lee]

They do, yes. That's what they care about.

[Mandy B.]

Like, we are still in such this individualistic society that she's poisoning us. If it doesn't directly impact us or our family or Someone close to us,

[Ja Lee]

then, eh, it's not my problem.

[Mandy B.]

It ain't my problem.

[Ja Lee]

Or the worst is we don't know that's fucked up. But like, you know, it's still like, you know, like, with the Russell Westbrook meme is sitting at the end of the bench.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like, I think the other issue is we don't celebrate the good that's in our culture enough, right? The fact that we have a lot of these people, it's an alarming number of predators or whatever name you want to put on these people, whatever you want to put on their jacket. It's a lot, bro. Way more than what we should be having in any discussions, right? We don't celebrate enough of the positive aspects of our culture. We always dive into this shit.

[Mandy B.]

You know what?

[Jason Rodriguez]

We always celebrate this shit. We always buy the $400 ticket for that shit when we know why are we doing it. This is a household conversation. This ain't no fucking. We are blessed to be on these podcast mics, but they're in the home talking about this shit and still deciding to play somebody's music that pissed on

[Ja Lee]

a little girl, right?

[Jason Rodriguez]

And then say, oh, we gotta separate the man from the.

[Mandy B.]

Nope. It's probably cause their uncle did it and they knew that the problem was coming. But not only that, let's hop right into Celebrities say the darnest things.

[Listener or Guest]

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[Girlfriends Podcast Co-host]

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[Amy Robach]

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[Nick, Dick and Paul Show Co-host]

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[Jason Rodriguez]

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[Mandy B.]

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[Mandy B.]

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[Mandy B.]

being upset that Gucci, who is a father, her husband, and now a quote unquote businessman, snitched and didn't align with. Didn't align with street code. Like we got that work at FedEx talking about street code on the goddamn Internet. Y' all don't shut the goddamn up.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Stop.

[Ja Lee]

Stop and check in. Stop.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Maybe they were street cats before they became FedEx workers.

[Mandy B.]

Listen, if you're not in the streets right now, I don't wanna see you on Twitter talking about the streets, baby. Your check will be there on the 1st and the 15th from Walmart. Why are you talking about the streets?

[Ja Lee]

Yep.

[Mandy B.]

You don't own a gun. You don't push weight.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Nope.

[Mandy B.]

You don't have people that work under you. You're not a part of the streets, my guy.

[Ja Lee]

And that's the.

[Mandy B.]

And I just hate that we keep. Also, we as a community are in this mentality of not even. How can we protect others or hold other people accountable when literally everyone's telling you that you can't even protect yourself. What do you mean? I can't, like, tell all the niggas that robbed me and put a gun to my head?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Because you're supposed to handle it the same way. Because the rule is, if you are enterprising in that manner, then there's rules that apply in that scenario where you. He'll be able to deal with it that way criminally. But if he's a civilian messing with a street guy, the rules are different. But because in their world, the retribution is there, everyone's like, okay, you fuck with me, I'm gonna fuck with yours. And then that's it. But everybody's not street. So the expectation that Gucci is supposed to handle it that way. So now the outcry is like, oh, my gosh. But I'm like, fam, he was just in jail.

[Mandy B.]

Facts.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He's almost, what, 50? I know people say that he's closer to 50 than 20, right? Yeah, he's probably not 50, but he's closer to it than 20 for sure. He has.

[Mandy B.]

He's 46.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He's not trying to go back 46 at all. What I'm saying, he's not trying to do the things of years.

[Mandy B.]

He even lost 80 pounds and became a whole new.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Right now he got a six pack

[Mandy B.]

and did he remove. He removed the goddamn ice cream tattoo. That was one of the worst decisions. He must have did that off his man.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, that's the perks.

[Mandy B.]

That was something

[Jason Rodriguez]

I say like this, y'. All, I don't know. We weren't there. We don't know the dynamic.

[Mandy B.]

No, no, no. It's on video.

[Jason Rodriguez]

No, what I'm saying is whatever led up to his dynamics, he did it. No, I'm not saying he did or did. I'm just saying whatever the dynamics that got to that point, that has to now play out in Court, Sure. Like, we could sideline this shit.

[Mandy B.]

And it will.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Now, the hypocrisy is in hip hop culture though, right?

[Mandy B.]

What do you mean by that? Here we go. You got a clip. You wanna play the clip first or do you wanna introduce it?

[Jason Rodriguez]

I think so. And this is. And it was a hard pill to swallow, Paul.

[Mandy B.]

Okay, I pause. Nah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So I watched Takashi.

[Mandy B.]

It's hard to swallow.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's true.

[Ja Lee]

Unless your dick is a pill. Hey, I mean, no, no, no.

[Mandy B.]

You don't swallow a dick. You swallow the cum. You can't.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Well, why they say eat? Why they say dick eater?

[Ja Lee]

That's.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, sure, the eater. But the eater is referring to.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So it's not really eating it.

[Mandy B.]

It's just that she gobble gobble when they talk about eaters.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, I've heard. I've seen recently say, like, ah, I lost my favorite eater. And they talking about.

[Mandy B.]

No, oh, it's not dick eater. The neighbor eater is the ass.

[Jason Rodriguez]

These Dick eater.

[Ja Lee]

Yes.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But I think it's a gobble gobble part of it. It's not like they just. No, seriously, I'm not trying to.

[Ja Lee]

I'm just.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I.

[Mandy B.]

First off, I'm proud. We age ourselves.

[Ja Lee]

Every guy.

[Mandy B.]

They're saying dick eater now, not us. Trying to figure out what dick eater means.

[Jason Rodriguez]

No.

[Ja Lee]

What's the new shit? You the birthday.

[Mandy B.]

You the birthday.

[Listener or Guest]

What the fuck is that?

[Amy Robach]

What is that?

[Ja Lee]

What is that?

[Mandy B.]

What is that?

[Ja Lee]

That shit is hilarious to me, though.

[Mandy B.]

No, it's not.

[Ja Lee]

You the birthday. That shit is fucking funny.

[Listener or Guest]

You the belated birthday.

[Mandy B.]

Cause you late.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, like that. Like, oh, like. Oh, you loud. You the birthday.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like you're not on point, but you the birthday.

[Mandy B.]

Wait, the birthday means what?

[Ja Lee]

On point?

[Mandy B.]

Like, no, like, not the main thing.

[Listener or Guest]

Like the. You're the main character.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, like, you loud. You the birthday song. Wrong.

[Mandy B.]

You.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it.

[Ja Lee]

We created that young your Y, NS and YB's.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Go stay in school, bro.

[Mandy B.]

No, they have to. That's terrible.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And practice semen retention.

[Mandy B.]

It doesn't make sense. You did a birthday.

[Jason Rodriguez]

They move the needle a little.

[Ja Lee]

It's a comparison of things. That's all it is.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So it's an exclamation point, if you will.

[Ja Lee]

It's like a little bit, but it's more of explaining. It's a way of explaining something in the context.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I don't even like that they got booty on here.

[Mandy B.]

Hold on. We don't. We don't Pull this up. That's how I feel. Okay. What does you to birthday mean? This is from Forbes. Can you zoom in? Because, baby, we got to go to

[Jason Rodriguez]

Forbes to get aav.

[Mandy B.]

Can you make that a little bigger? There we go. Okay. Apparently there's more than one meaning. Oh, my God. To you the birthday.

[Ja Lee]

Let me find this.

[Mandy B.]

But calling someone the birthday is essentially accusing them of suffering from main character syndrome. The phrase is used to describe a person who is trying too hard.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, try hard.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, see, not the main character. Just trying too hard. Acting over the top or expecting fawning birthday, like, behavior or attention from everyone in the room.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, shit.

[Girlfriends Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Listener or Guest]

But people are spinning it now, though.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, it has spinoffs like I'm trying to find. Okay, here it goes. Right?

[Jason Rodriguez]

So.

[Ja Lee]

So, like.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, here we go. It could be either an insult or a compliment.

[Ja Lee]

Right? So you angry. You the birthday bill. You heated you the birthday candle.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, you gonna have to squabble.

[Mandy B.]

Wait, you heated you the birthday candle?

[Ja Lee]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, get the fuck out.

[Ja Lee]

What's the other one? You the birthday hat. Cause you got a point. No, you confused. You confused because you the birthday surprise.

[Mandy B.]

Wrong.

[Ja Lee]

You loud. You the birthday song. You a mess. You the confetti.

[Mandy B.]

Get the.

[Ja Lee]

You wait. You too. Planned out. You the itinerary.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, yeah.

[Mandy B.]

We.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You know what?

[Ja Lee]

You use too many words.

[Jason Rodriguez]

We're gonna have to use it.

[Mandy B.]

Not you. To group chat.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, that's what they are. So it's a comparison of situations, extreme, extreme situations to whatever the activity is.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, wait, wait. They packed you up. You the birthday.

[Ja Lee]

Right?

[Listener or Guest]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Right.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, it's that type of.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, they ate you up. You the birthday cake.

[Ja Lee]

That's what they are now. So that's the new 6, 7. I think. I think that's the times 100. I won't be dating.

[Mandy B.]

I won't be talking to anybody.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yo, but what if you hear somebody tell you that.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, I'm blocking.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Are you the birthday. What would you tell Mandy at State Farm the other night?

[Ja Lee]

Oh, you mixed you the birthday drink.

[Mandy B.]

Like that type.

[Ja Lee]

Like that type of.

[Listener or Guest]

Okay, that's what they be.

[Mandy B.]

Okay, I'm not gonna lie. This is me saying it. If you are out here using any of these terms, you may as well also be saying yes and clock it, sis.

[Ja Lee]

Do I think.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, I think that's. That's the grandfather.

[Ja Lee]

I think that's the. Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

See what I mean?

[Listener or Guest]

No, no, no, no.

[Ja Lee]

Now we got the silent.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Make sure y' all gum.

[Ja Lee]

You get it.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, right, right.

[Ja Lee]

Like, that's what I Wouldn't be surprised if this is really like.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So we doing double entendre in ver.

[Ja Lee]

Yes. Right. And speaking.

[Jason Rodriguez]

People just talking.

[Ja Lee]

Yes, yes. That's what they're on now. But it's probably. I don't know where it started, but it probably was a gay person.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So this is Drake lyrics.

[Ja Lee]

And now they've taken it and people have bastardized.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like, they'll say they'll lead in and

[Ja Lee]

like, boom, Drake 1000%. Put one of these in Iceman. You will hear one of these in Iceman. Watch.

[Listener or Guest]

You lame. You're the frosting.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You're the frosting. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

You know what? I need the Internet to, like, go off.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like, you know, you must be the birthday makeup.

[Mandy B.]

You know how the pandemic. We all had to sit our asses down. I just literally need social media. Just give us a break. To have our own thoughts.

[Ja Lee]

Good luck.

[Mandy B.]

And not come up with this dumb ass shit. Oh, my God. I thought 6, 7 was bad. This is.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And it's a lot because you got to. You have to.

[Ja Lee]

You have to connect the dots. Yeah, you have to connect the dots and then make a phrase asking you

[Jason Rodriguez]

what birthday means, baby.

[Ja Lee]

You see what I'm saying?

[Jason Rodriguez]

You didn't get it.

[Mandy B.]

You didn't get it.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You the birthday invite.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, that's what yomi said. Look, she late to the joke. Yo. All that, bro.

[Nick, Dick and Paul Show Co-host]

It.

[Ja Lee]

All this really pisses me off.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But can't write cursive, so facts. You the special edge. That's not your bus.

[Mandy B.]

You the typewriter. No, see, y' all don't do the. We're not doing this, y'. All.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Anyway, getting back to.

[Mandy B.]

Okay. Yes. Let's get back to.

[Jason Rodriguez]

So I watched this Tekashi 69ine clip where he was commenting on.

[Ja Lee]

Oh, yeah, I think.

[Mandy B.]

Let's play the clip.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Gucci man, Fiesty, we didn't see it,

[Mandy B.]

so let's play this clip.

[Listener or Guest]

Can y' all believe me? I've been literally saying this for five years. I'm about to break it down for you. No, it's different now. It's moving. The GoPro. No, it's different.

[Mandy B.]

Turn it up a little bit.

[Listener or Guest]

Businessman. Let me break this down.

[Ja Lee]

I know I don't want to stay

[Jason Rodriguez]

nowhere and I never will.

[Mandy B.]

A word, a word.

[Listener or Guest]

I'm a true G. A true G. What? Exhibit B. Exhibit B.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He's playing their words.

[Ja Lee]

I don't believe in none of that.

[Listener or Guest]

Oh, you don't believe that.

[Ja Lee]

Only thing I believe in is Don't Tell the police that ain't age well at all.

[Listener or Guest]

You don't believe in that.

Listen, I'm a poster.

[Mandy B.]

The poster.

[Ja Lee]

Listen to me. Oh, it gets better.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, no, it's different.

[Listener or Guest]

No, no, it's different. I won't tell the police.

[Mandy B.]

Hear this.

[Listener or Guest]

This your mouth now.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He playing the record.

[Mandy B.]

He's playing the record that just dropped. Y.

[Listener or Guest]

I pulled up for. I took my.

[Mandy B.]

For kindness.

[Listener or Guest]

I pulled up on kindness. I pulled up. No, they put up no weak. They pulled up on street that you

[Mandy B.]

rep. Oh, my God. Sorry, y', all for his yelling, by the way. It goes further.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It goes further. Play just a little bit more. Just a little bit.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, my God. I'm sorry, y'.

[Jason Rodriguez]

All. Annoying ass boy, he's upset. He's very upset.

[Listener or Guest]

Do you hear your stupid ass out? Yo, I'm the that put you here on your commissary. Oh, I did this. Y' all stabbed me in the back.

[Mandy B.]

Yo, what happened?

[Listener or Guest]

Remember 69 situation? Y' all remember the 69 situation when y' all say it's the streets? You know what you signed up for? You know what you signed up for? What happened? It's you. They pulled up on some.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I like how you break it down. Like, look, espn.

[Listener or Guest]

Now you a businessman. How. How many excuses?

[Ja Lee]

How many.

[Listener or Guest]

How many times? No, it's different. No, you know, what's the difference? Look at this. All these things that topics.

[Mandy B.]

This nigga made an AI photo. If you could pause it real quick. He made an AI photo and has Meech on there. Ti 50 cent. Who else is on the car?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Gunna Gucci, T. I can't see who in the lower.

[Ja Lee]

Who's that crouching down on the far right? Oh, that's Meech. Oh, that's Meech. That's Meech.

[Mandy B.]

But basically, he created an AI image of all the rappers that he's like, did snitch and somehow still has their respect in the game.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And that's what his argument is, because when he did his thing, oh, they

[Mandy B.]

called him a rat.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He basically was exiled out of making music and making money, as he later in this video goes on to say. So he's like, what's the standard that y' all trying to hold me versus them when I've been telling y', all, in his words, that all of these dudes do the same shit. And I think that's his angle is that we should not be surprised when the pressure's put on these rappers and people who got money. And, you know, this is probably gonna be the end result but this isn't.

[Ja Lee]

But it isn't street shit. It is different though. He didn't. Like old boy didn't run up on Gucci because they had a drug deal that went bad. He ran up on Gucci because he knowingly signed a business contract that he doesn't like and now he wants to get out of it. Right, but that's not street shit. There's nothing gangster about that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He's not, but they are.

[Ja Lee]

No, but when say you signed up for this, you know what the streets is. You was running around claiming a gang doing crime. Yeah. You know what you signed up for?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Me, I think it's all part of it.

[Ja Lee]

Me making you sign a bogus ass contract. Now you can say Gucci is bogus for making him sign whatever contract that he feels like he doesn't like. But nigga, that's actual business. That's not me finagling you. That's not me holding a gun to your head, making you sign something. You just too dumb to read the contract.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And now you mad because he's what, a street nigga.

[Ja Lee]

That's your fault, though. That's actually. That's actually Pooh Shiesty fault though.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Did you see.

[Mandy B.]

Well, and his parents and his parents and his parent.

[Listener or Guest]

Criminal daddy.

[Mandy B.]

No, not only the criminal daddy. Did you see the mama come out?

[Ja Lee]

Oh, yeah. Talking about it's not what you think it is.

[Mandy B.]

No, no, no. The mama came out and was like, this what we do. And if you play with our family, we gonna make sure we see about you.

[Jason Rodriguez]

She shouldn't be saying that.

[Listener or Guest]

She shouldn't be saying that.

She should not be saying that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Holy shit.

[Mandy B.]

Like now, now you ain't going to have a baby daddy or son, cuz they both going to be locked up.

[Ja Lee]

And also I called Cat because if the nigga was signed to Leor Cohen instead of Gucci, man, they're not running up on Leo Cohen with no AK47s, tying them up, making them sign nothing. If you signed to Peter Rosenberg and you assigned to one of these other crackers, you wouldn't be doing none of that shit. So I don't want to hear nothing about none of that.

[Jason Rodriguez]

All of that. Is he doing that because it's a nigga?

[Mandy B.]

You know, rice always comes.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You know what?

[Ja Lee]

But you doing that shit cause it's a nigga you think you can put hands on because he's in the street and he's accessible to you. That way you're not running up on Jimmy iovine putting no AK47 to his head, making him get you out of contract. You would get a lawyer, you would pay the 250 grand and you would be in court arguing.

[Jason Rodriguez]

There have been some times in history where allegedly Jay Suge Knight tretch from Naughty by nature. Allegedly. Once upon a time, I think he ran down Tommy boy office and it put snakes. Snakes on the tables.

[Mandy B.]

He put snakes on the table.

[Ja Lee]

Allegedly. Allegedly.

[Mandy B.]

That is not an AK to your head making you sign something under duress. I ain't gonna hold you. Snake snakes on the table. I love it.

[Ja Lee]

No, that's kind of good how you

[Jason Rodriguez]

walk in with a duffel B snake

[Ja Lee]

robbers and just drop that.

[Mandy B.]

That's how you deal with. But I do, I do hear what you're saying. Like. Like, unfortunately, there's even a way that we treat each other that we don't extend to the others. Them we treat us a certain way and demand a certain respect from us without demanding that we don't value. In a room full of white suits,

[Jason Rodriguez]

we don't value ourselves. We don't value our brothers and sisters. That's why they talk to you. And when I say you sisterhood, they rob. They talk to sisterhood a certain way. They talk to brotherhood a certain way. Right? Or brotherhood is only in the guise of membership.

[Ja Lee]

Right.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Not just the common man. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. So then there used to be a narrative. Oh, you know what a real gangster is? If you take care of your family and blah blah, blah. That's cap. That is true. But don't try to fake put that on the pedestal. Cause that was the case. Then we celebrated Marco and. And Grip and all the other ones who not doing that dumb shit.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, and those times of Tretch allegedly and even with Ice Cube running in Jerry Heller's office and smashing shit up like, okay, those times have passed. Niggas aren't doing that shit no more.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Cause their first emotional response is to get the yabba. That's it. Get the gun, get the yappa. We not trying to squabble either. We just wanna.

[Ja Lee]

Yo, what up?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yeah, fuck them cameras. What up?

[Listener or Guest]

I went and sat on the little ottoman in front of him.

[Cino Show Host]

Hi, dad.

[Listener or Guest]

And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen and she says, I have some cookies and milk. This is badass. Convict just finished five years. I'm gonna have cookies and milk at mom.

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[Listener or Guest]

I'm an alcoholic and without this problem, I'm gonna die.

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[Mandy B.]

Now.

[Listener or Guest]

I feel like it was a little bit unbelievable until I really start making money.

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[Listener or Guest]

If I'm outside with my parents and they see all these people come up to me for pictures, it's like, what today? Now, Obviously it's like 100%. They believe everything, but at first it was just like, you gotta go get a real job.

[Eating While Broke Guest]

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[Amy Robach]

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[Girlfriends Podcast Co-host]

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[Amy Robach]

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[Mandy B.]

Who's he?

[Nick, Dick and Paul Show Host]

He's the writer, director.

[Nick, Dick and Paul Show Co-host]

Who do you think he is?

[Jason Rodriguez]

I don't know.

[Nick, Dick and Paul Show Host]

You meet the, like the president.

[Nick, Dick and Paul Show Co-host]

You think it was the president? You think Canada has a president? You think China has a president? Let's walk through Z. God, I love that thing. I use it all the time.

[Amy Robach]

What color?

[Nick, Dick and Paul Show Co-host]

I wrap it in a blanket and sing to it at night.

[Nick, Dick and Paul Show Host]

It's like the old Polish saying, not my monkeys, not my circus. Yep. It was a good one.

[Mandy B.]

I like that saying.

[Nick, Dick and Paul Show Co-host]

It's an actual Polish saying.

[Ja Lee]

It is an actual Polish.

[Nick, Dick and Paul Show Co-host]

Better version of play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[Listener or Guest]

Yes.

[Nick, Dick and Paul Show Co-host]

Which. Which, by the way, wasn't Taylor Swift. Who said that for the first time? I actually. I thought it was. I got that wrong.

[Nick, Dick and Paul Show Host]

Listen to the Nick, Dick and Paul show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Mandy B.]

Well, them cameras. Apparently, that's what Lil TJ said because he chose to run down on Offset at a Florida casino. $5,000 debt.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Damn. 10.

[Mandy B.]

It was 10.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I think it was 10 based on the.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, okay.

[Ja Lee]

It's hard to keep track. So many N came out and said Offset.

[Mandy B.]

Apparently, allegedly, Offset owes the Detroit Casino 100,000. Allegedly, he owed Ebro five GS. Allegedly, he. Why do we even know that he owned DEZ Bryant? Eight grand.

[Ja Lee]

Eight grand?

[Mandy B.]

Yeah.

[Ja Lee]

DEZ Bryant was like, that nigga owe me some money.

[Mandy B.]

DEZ Bryant wrote a fucking paragraph. DEZ was like, let me tell y' all how I heard from this N a few hours before he got shot trying to run a plate. And I had to realize, no. Cause, nigga, you still owe me eight grand from another day.

[Ja Lee]

Yep.

[Mandy B.]

I will say this is the first time we talk about us not caring about us. I don't give a fuck, baby. This man got shot in the ass. The whole ass. And we didn't see no get well soon offsets across the timeline. We just started hearing people like, but he lived. That nigga owed me money.

[Ja Lee]

That nigga owe me some money. I hope that nigga don't die. Cause I want my dollars.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's what came about. They was like, oh, I guess it's safe for me to say this now.

[Mandy B.]

I wonder if he went into the hospital if people would have had a different. Again, the lack of empathy within our entire community.

[Jason Rodriguez]

We are fucked, bro.

[Mandy B.]

We are super fucked. We are so fucked. That as a community, if you get shot in the ass, you still gotta go to work the next day. Because we saw this N in a wheelchair on stage.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Well, you know what that is, right? That's the. See, that is the misinterpretation of what Pac did.

[Mandy B.]

What you mean by that?

[Jason Rodriguez]

When Pac came out the hospital and went straight to jail, when he was

[Ja Lee]

in the hospital gown and shit.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And now it's like, oh, shit. Even when TJ came out the courtroom and he was yelling and screaming, you Saw a lot of videos like, oh, shit, that remind me of Pac, but he ain't spit. It's like, guys, totally different scenario here.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, very different.

[Jason Rodriguez]

This is not the same. No.

[Mandy B.]

I will say, though, it is very similar. If we talk about our own community.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, well, we feel like each other.

[Mandy B.]

Very similar.

[Jason Rodriguez]

We don't love each other.

[Mandy B.]

But not only that, it's a money over money. I'm gonna pull out the gun.

[Jason Rodriguez]

When the last time these niggas read books, fam? Ask a nigga when the last if he ever read the autobiography of Malcolm X.

[Mandy B.]

No, they need to read.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Let them be read. They need to read.

[Mandy B.]

Let them by Mel Robbins.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Mel Robbins something.

[Mandy B.]

Let them guys just.

[Ja Lee]

Let them just take in some information.

[Jason Rodriguez]

They got shot in his fucking almost nuts. And N was like, oh, no, the problem. You know what?

[Mandy B.]

They all read 48 laws of power. And this is.

[Ja Lee]

Oh, yeah, this is why we're wearing the Art of War.

[Mandy B.]

That superior, man.

[Jason Rodriguez]

But see, but they're misinterpreting.

[Ja Lee]

But are they reading 48 laws of

[Jason Rodriguez]

power or they just reading the law? They're not reading the copy of the.

[Ja Lee]

Oh, yeah, they're just reading the law. Yeah, you can't just read the law.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You gotta read the fucking scenario. It's fucked up. I do wanna say, though, I think the venue was the issue too. Like, we saw the headline and you saw that he got shot in the venue. I think that's what people was like.

[Ja Lee]

He got shot what, at the casino?

[Jason Rodriguez]

These n still rolling dice after the rest of the. You know what I mean?

[Mandy B.]

No shit. And that's the other part, because, I mean, we did see even Quavo respond with prayer hands, I think, on his Instagram. But, yeah, like your literal, like, bandmate, brother, cousin. I don't know how they're all related, but literally his life was taken in gambling in Houston.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yep.

[Mandy B.]

And you're still out here doing the same. Like, bro, your whole brother passed from this shit.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yep. Is the gambling an addiction?

[Mandy B.]

Well, at this point, the amount of debt that he.

[Jason Rodriguez]

The lifestyle of it.

[Mandy B.]

It also makes sense why he's going so hard to try to take whatever he can get from Cardi. But it's also interesting, if I'm not mistaken, he has these gambling debts, but also. Was it Quavo? Yeah, Quavo just vented or. No, it was off. One of them have also a debt to the irs, Right? Is it Quavo?

[Ja Lee]

Oh, I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah. For $2 million, I wouldn't be surprised if both of them do, honestly.

[Mandy B.]

Well, one of them just reached out to the other to help them with an irs. And the response was n. Go get in the booth.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I mean, so my question is.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, there we go. Quavo. So Quavo has a tax lien of nearly $3 million in unpaid taxes from 2021 to 2023. He allegedly owes over 915 from 2021, 887, 2022, and over a million of 2023. So allegedly, he reached out to Offset to help him. And Offset said, you should get your ass in the booth and make some music.

[Ja Lee]

I seen somebody tweet Offset got back on stage cause he couldn't afford a pto.

[Mandy B.]

Literally.

[Ja Lee]

I gotta go do the set.

[Mandy B.]

That's where we're at. And I'm not gonna lie. When people get into these level of debts, it becomes a part to where you can't even feel sad. One is, you didn't. Adult nigga. There's a thing that goes around about taxes.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Al Capone didn't even get arrested or do jail time for being the murderer that he is.

[Ja Lee]

Nope, not for alcohol. Yeah. Drug dealer. Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

That nigga got arrested for tax evasion.

[Ja Lee]

They'll get you how they can get you.

[Mandy B.]

Wait, you was making how much money selling drugs?

[Listener or Guest]

Yep.

[Mandy B.]

Guess what? You owed the government money.

[Ja Lee]

Ax, Fat Joe, Baby Axe, Wesley, Snipe, the whole list of niggas.

[Mandy B.]

Keep going.

[Ja Lee]

It's a whole list of niggas.

[Mandy B.]

You cannot evade taxes. You might be able to find a little quick little scheme, a way to make money, but at the end of the day, the government gonna come after you.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, you can evade taxes if you're on like a blue collar level. You can't owe the government $3 million

[Jason Rodriguez]

when you're a public figure.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah. Be a public figure and not think they coming to get their bread.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah. If y' all didn't know, Fat Joe faced significant IRS issues due to accountant negligence, resulting in a prison sentence and loss of millions.

[Ja Lee]

Had to lean back.

[Mandy B.]

All right.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Had to lean back. That was a triple entire. That was a triple, quadruple.

[Ja Lee]

Who's Cold World?

[Jason Rodriguez]

That was birthday.

[Ja Lee]

That was a birthday cake.

[Listener or Guest]

He the birthday cake. He ate that. He the birthday cake.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Wow. Anyways, fuck y'.

[Mandy B.]

All.

[Jason Rodriguez]

We need to stay nos. Thanos with the fucking.

[Ja Lee]

Start this shit over.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Start this shit up, bro.

[Mandy B.]

At this point, we do not. But it is given that Christopher Maurice Brown has to owe somebody. Cause that nigga stay on tour. Chris Brown and Usher Raven just announced a duo Tour together that will be starting this summer, kicking off. I think it is a stadium tour they're doing.

[Ja Lee]

Oh, it is a stadium. I was wondering if it was stadium or arena.

[Jason Rodriguez]

It has to be.

[Mandy B.]

It has to be. At this point, we saw Chris Brown just do it for Breezy bowl and

[Ja Lee]

them niggas gonna be.

[Mandy B.]

We saw Usher sell out multiple nights.

[Ja Lee]

They're about to make so much bread.

[Mandy B.]

They're gonna make so much bread.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Like, what's a cheap chicken gonna look like?

[Ja Lee]

Oh, it's definitely.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, these are renaissance prices.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah.

[Listener or Guest]

Do and mean Greek?

[Mandy B.]

I don't even. Did they both do mean greet, are they?

[Listener or Guest]

No, Chris Brown does.

[Ja Lee]

Chris does. I don't know if Usher will.

[Mandy B.]

Usher did at his residency. I don't think he did on the tour.

[Ja Lee]

I think they will.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Chris Brown will bring Usher into his world and vice versa. I think we'll see a lot of that.

[Mandy B.]

What do you mean by that?

[Jason Rodriguez]

I think we'll see Usher engaging in the way that Chris Brown did with the meet and greets and stuff like that.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, okay, okay.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You know, I think Chris Brown will engage in.

[Mandy B.]

And then what is Chris Brown gonn on skates.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He gonna be doing the shit that

[Ja Lee]

Usher be doing at the residency, probably.

[Mandy B.]

I ain't gonna hold you.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I think we'll see both of them sing each other's songs.

[Mandy B.]

Chris Brown with the lap dance, I think was better than the cherries.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, I think you get both.

[Ja Lee]

What he was doing with pause.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I think you're gonna get both at the same time. That's crazy.

[Ja Lee]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I think gonna get a soft lap dance.

[Mandy B.]

You said we're gonna get soft, Brown.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I think that these. They're gonna show out.

[Ja Lee]

Oh, yeah, they're gonna have to.

[Jason Rodriguez]

This is bigger than versus. This is not about. They're cementing their legacies right here with this.

[Ja Lee]

For sure.

[Jason Rodriguez]

They getting to do something that not a lot of. I guess you could say this ain't

[Mandy B.]

like Brandi and Monica.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I guess you could say Usher is big, bro.

[Ja Lee]

I'm on super sterile. This ain't just.

[Mandy B.]

Ain't Kanye and Jay Z. I've seen this before.

[Jason Rodriguez]

No, not a tour.

[Mandy B.]

Kanye J.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Two of the biggest.

[Mandy B.]

They did a tour together, didn't they?

[Jason Rodriguez]

No, but we watched. This is Chris Brown and Usher. We talking about decades of just. Just hits after hits after hits.

[Ja Lee]

So here's the question.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Who gets women?

[Mandy B.]

Hold on. What's your question?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Wait a minute.

[Ja Lee]

I just saw. Since you didn't bring it up. I'll bring it up. I just saw Punch from tde. He posted the plaque of the GNX tour. And it was whatever amount of shows and like 347. No, it had to be more than that. Cause it was making like $200 million a night. See if you can find that post.

[Mandy B.]

There we go.

[Ja Lee]

You know what I mean, Punch? It posted a plaque of like. That was basically summed up the tour. And it was like, how many shows, how much money they gross? And is that at the top?

[Mandy B.]

Grand national tour. Oh, there we go. Exposes Kendrick tour money right there. Punch's plaque exposes Kendrick's.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Oh, yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, it's a video, though.

[Ja Lee]

Let me see if I can find it on.

[Mandy B.]

Play the video. Let's see what it is.

[Eating While Broke Guest]

Punch is cheesing with that grand national tour plaque backstage stage.

[Listener or Guest]

You want to see?

[Mandy B.]

Yeah, no.

[Eating While Broke Guest]

While Kendrick and Cesita still on stage. And that's.

[Mandy B.]

So There we go. $358.7 million.

[Eating While Broke Guest]

Highest Grossing Co headline tour ever.

[Mandy B.]

Dethroning Jay z and Beyonce's 2018.

[Ja Lee]

So the question is, the plaque is

[Mandy B.]

in the tour partner's hands, not the two bodies doing 90 shows. That tour partner line means back end percentages, fees, leverage.

[Ja Lee]

I was gonna say. That's.

[Mandy B.]

Okay, pause that.

[Ja Lee]

And that's a small fraction of what was made because there was some reported dates where they was making like $200 million at a show between tickets and merch sales.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Was that total or that was per. What was that?

[Ja Lee]

No, no, that was. I think they're saying that's total for what they took home.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Okay, got you. Gotcha.

[Ja Lee]

Not with the tour girls. The rest of that went to Live Nation for sure. They the birthday cake, right? Nation got the bread. Yeah, yeah. Live Nation got all the bread. But the question is, do they. Do they crack that kind of number?

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yes.

[Listener or Guest]

Yes.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Well, it depends on. Well, it all depends on how long the tour is gonna be. How many cities.

[Mandy B.]

It does depend on how many cities.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I'm thinking they gonna run it up. If I'm Chris Brown, I want them. I want them as a fan of music, as a fan of culture, as a fan of those two guys, as

[Mandy B.]

a fan of R and B.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And we don't have to pick. And the fan. I'm glad they didn't do a battle of versus per se. Yeah.

[Ja Lee]

Just do.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I think they're bigger than that. You know, them two.

[Mandy B.]

Chris Brown gets more stage time.

[Ja Lee]

I was gonna say.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Who?

[Mandy B.]

Chris Brown.

[Ja Lee]

No, it has to be. No, it has to be a Sza Kendrick thing where they go, no, no, no.

[Mandy B.]

They're definitely gonna go back and forth.

[Listener or Guest]

Yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Yo, Chris Brown. Chris Brown.

[Ja Lee]

Oh, oh.

[Mandy B.]

We're gonna be there for three.

[Ja Lee]

Oh, that's for a sure. Three hour concert. Every minute of a three hour concert.

[Mandy B.]

And I'm not gonna lie. So the 1111 tour and Breezy Bolt both had three openers. Two or three openers. I think this.

[Jason Rodriguez]

This can't have an opener.

[Mandy B.]

I don't think it has an opener at all. If you know the show's gonna start at 8:30.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It starts at 8:30. Y' all leaving midnight at 11:35.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And that's why I think that we're gonna. I think you're gonna see a lot of elements of both of them together singing each other's records. No, I think we're gonna get that. I think they have so much stuff for each other. You don't wanna see that.

[Mandy B.]

I don't wanna hear Chris Brown.

[Jason Rodriguez]

They both dance, right? You don't think they gonna be doing

[Mandy B.]

all this sliding and shit shits on Ushers dancing.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Here we go now. Just like that.

[Mandy B.]

Chris Brown.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That's too easy to say that. You can't say that like that, bro.

[Ja Lee]

There's gonna be some. There's gonna be some simpatico there though. You're gonna hear Chris Brown seem caught up acapella and then Usher's gonna come

[Jason Rodriguez]

in and be same birthdays at the same time.

[Mandy B.]

I don't. I don't. I don't want. I'm.

[Jason Rodriguez]

We using it. We gotta have to.

[Mandy B.]

The only time I want them on the stage together is for the one song that they have together. New Flame.

[Ja Lee]

Oh, and there's no chance of that.

[Mandy B.]

There's no chance of what? Them singing New Flame together?

[Ja Lee]

No, no, no. That they're not going to be on stage together at the same time throughout the.

[Mandy B.]

It's gonna be. Oh, it's gonna be the interchanging of what Monica and Brandi just did.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, but I.

[Mandy B.]

Were they. Were they three or four songs then Monica comes out like it's gonna be that.

[Ja Lee]

But I think there's gonna be some crossover where they're gonna be.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I think you're gonna see Chris Brown singing Usher Ship. Cause he's. They both fans of each other. I think you're gonna see real showmanship.

[Ja Lee]

Yes. 100%.

[Jason Rodriguez]

They're not gonna be on there. Okay, your turn. Nah, they gonna make. I think you wanna hear that. Yes.

[Mandy B.]

You wanna hear that.

[Ja Lee]

We don't get it.

[Jason Rodriguez]

We don't get it.

[Ja Lee]

Who else?

[Mandy B.]

Why would I just don't wanna hear Chris Singh Let It Burn. I wanna hear Autumn Leaves. Give me my records from Chris Brown and Usher. You.

[Ja Lee]

But you gonna get that too.

[Mandy B.]

I don't want them singing each other's records.

[Ja Lee]

Okay?

[Mandy B.]

I wouldn't want that.

[Ja Lee]

If Chris Brown is up there, he's gonna do 7 o' clock in the when. Yeah, come on.

[Jason Rodriguez]

You don't think Chris Brown gonna be on there dancing?

[Mandy B.]

He could dance to it. Yeah, I just don't wanna hear him sing it. I wanna hear each of them sing their own records. And by the way, I am someone who saw Usher at Dreamville, followed by his residency, followed by his arena tour. And I also saw Chris Brown at 11:11 twice, and Breezy Bowl. So I've seen them both like five or six times in the last two years. Yeah, these niggas been torn.

[Ja Lee]

Well, what I was gonna say is I like the fact that, you know, people have their feelings about Chris Brown, whatever. But I do kinda like the idea that there are veteran artists who can still do this.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Right. In our lifetime.

[Ja Lee]

In our lifetime. Cause we don't. We're not like, in this present moment, we're not really developing new superstars. We have artists that people like, but we haven't really developed any new superstars in rap or R and B or black pop music.

[Mandy B.]

I agree.

[Ja Lee]

It's just not that right now. So it's like to watch Brandi and Monica do their thing, to watch Chris Brown and Usher do their thing, to

[Mandy B.]

see Pretty Ricky and B2K and all

[Ja Lee]

touring and link up and doing big shows, not just arenas.

[Mandy B.]

Yeah.

[Ja Lee]

Not just like, ah, remember us? We at the House of Blues and trying to just make it happen for 200 people. Like niggas are outside really doing their shows and people are spending their hard earned money, maybe too much money, like, supporting this market that we love.

[Mandy B.]

I ain't gonna hold y'. All. That was my number. That was my first thought. Like, baby, outside of Chokella, Coachella right now, I don't understand where in this economy, while we're complaining about rent, while we're complaining about gas, groceries, people are coming up.

[Jason Rodriguez]

We are hypocrisies about everything, bro.

[Mandy B.]

Do you see the prices that they paying?

[Jason Rodriguez]

And we gonna pay.

[Ja Lee]

And guess what?

[Jason Rodriguez]

If I'm an economist, crazy as shit, you know, if I'm. I'm not an economist, I don't know how they do this shit. But I'm just. I watch the holidays and I watch how people carry on with the same premise that you just referenced. And they're doing it. Cause when they put out the number, they say, oh, I told you that. They eclipsed last year's mark.

[Ja Lee]

They eclipsed the year before.

[Mandy B.]

And I'm like, that winter storm. How that winter storm? Economists, the government set that up. They said, y' all bitches complaining about groceries. They said, there's a winter storm. Go grocery shopping. Grocery stores buy all that shit.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Yo, I got so many.

[Ja Lee]

All the bread, all the milk, all the water.

[Jason Rodriguez]

To group chats like, yo, look at this. Why is this panic buying hat? But people are buying it. At those prices, it is. Well, $9. Guess what people was buying.

[Ja Lee]

The only thing I'll say, though, is that because I won't. I won't put my good sister on blast. But as soon as the Jay Z tickets came, she was like, I'm swiping my amex. Like, I'll figure this out later.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Because she got an amex too.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, I'm going to figure that shit out later.

[Jason Rodriguez]

25 day number.

[Ja Lee]

Some N s are gonna spend their last cash, but some N s are gonna go into debt. Like, legit debt. Trying to have a good time.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Birthday cake with the picture on it.

[Mandy B.]

You know what?

[Jason Rodriguez]

BJ's. No. Blowjob.

[Ja Lee]

BJ's.

[Mandy B.]

I will say maybe next week for our bonus episode, I would love to do A versus. The same way we did Avant and Tank.

[Ja Lee]

Oh, Breezy and Usher.

[Mandy B.]

Breezy and Usher.

[Ja Lee]

I think it was a good idea

[Mandy B.]

because real quick predictions. Let's see if we all even have the same one. Cause then we can't do it. Okay, who wins in a versus Chris Brown and Usher? 20 songs.

[Ja Lee]

Usher.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Usher.

[Mandy B.]

Oh, we're doing this. Cause it's Chris Brown by far. Oh, we're doing this by far. Y' all can actually both go against me.

[Ja Lee]

Look.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And this is why I think they shouldn't do A versus. Cause Chris Brown has the records.

[Ja Lee]

Of course he does.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Usher has the records. It's more than the records, Mandy. It's Chris Brown bows down to Usher easily. Usher without Usher, there's no Chris Brown easily.

[Ja Lee]

That's just the order of operations.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Usher is a different.

[Ja Lee]

Usher's oldest hit record is probably three times as old as Chris Brown's.

[Jason Rodriguez]

And they both started out around the same age in their trajectory. Like usher started around 15 years apart. Chris Brown came in at 14 years old.

[Mandy B.]

We're gonna have a great time with it.

[Ja Lee]

It's gonna be fun.

[Mandy B.]

Y' all better look up that catalog.

[Ja Lee]

It's gonna be fun.

[Jason Rodriguez]

I'll give you this.

[Mandy B.]

What?

[Jason Rodriguez]

What do you mean this is not tanking Tyrese? No, baby, I'll eat that.

[Ja Lee]

This is for sure not tanking Tyrese.

[Mandy B.]

Not tanking a. I mean, Tyrese and Avant. So now I was wrong.

[Jason Rodriguez]

No, no, no, no, no, no. That's not. That's not a legit. That's not a legit 02. That's a. That's a fandom. Like, I was hoping Tyrese had something.

[Mandy B.]

You're hoping Usher. I tell you, we're going to do this. We're going to do this on Bone and.

[Ja Lee]

Wait, are you anti Usher?

[Mandy B.]

I'm not. I just told you, I went to the residency. I love Usher, all right? Usher made me feel some things.

[Jason Rodriguez]

He married an older woman at the time.

[Mandy B.]

I don't mind that I date Y N's. I don't give a fuck about who Usher done dated.

[Ja Lee]

That's true.

[Mandy B.]

Usher done dated some androgynous. He got a gambit. He dated his stylist. He dated Chilli. He got an androgynous. Like, he. He ain't got a child.

[Jason Rodriguez]

Do your Y N's that you date have a relationship.

[Mandy B.]

We do know that Chris Brown has a type.

[Ja Lee]

Oh, yeah.

[Mandy B.]

Yomi, yomi. I don't know if I want to bring you around Chris Brown now. You might. You might not get. I might lose you to Chris. Okay. Anyways, y' all tune into our bonus episode this week. We have Jamila joining us. Oh, shit, My ring done fell off.

[Jason Rodriguez]

That was the ring Tekashi took off of poster.

[Ja Lee]

Yo, he trying to pull that. That is funny.

[Jason Rodriguez]

There's another one when he takes the money. He's throwing it at the.

[Mandy B.]

Now we have Jamila joining us, and it's gonna be a good episode. There's quite a few topics we haven't gotten to, but I wanted to have another female join us on the pod, and she's just as problematic as these

[Listener or Guest]

two niggas sitting next to me.

[Mandy B.]

So if y' all want to hear our thoughts on Brandi and Wanye, Lamar, Odom, K. Michelle opening up about her relationship with R. Kelly, and then all of the influencers in the past two weeks that unfortunately have lost their lives due to violence of so many sorts of.

[Ja Lee]

Yeah, something's in the water for them stories to be that packed back to

[Mandy B.]

back to back to back like that. So we're gonna get into all of those. So make sure that you tune in on Friday. Of course, the Friday episodes. If you wanna watch the full video of those, head on over to patreon for just $5 a month. You get the video to the Friday episodes and you get ad free audio and video for our Tuesday drops. Of course you can also watch this full video on Wednesday on our YouTube. So join us. That's patreon.com withmandyb and then YouTube.com withmandyb thank you all guys. This was a fun episode.

[Ja Lee]

Hell yeah.

[Mandy B.]

We wasn't too problematic. We was really.

[Ja Lee]

No, we kept it together. We kept it together.

[Mandy B.]

Well y', all, this is another episode of Selective Ignorance where curiosity lives, controversy thrives, and conversations matter. See you pussy assholes on Friday and next week. Bye. Selective Ignorance, a production of the Black Effect Podcast Network. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

[Selective Ignorance Producer]

Thanks for tuning in in the Selective Ignorance of Mandy B. Selective Ignorance is executive produced by Mandy B. And it's a full Court Media Studio production with lead producers Jason Rodriguez, that's me, and Aaron A. King Howard. Now do us a favor and rate, subscribe, comment and share wherever you get your favorite podcast. And be sure to follow Selective Ignorance on Instagram at Selective Underscore Ignorant. And of course, if you're not following our host, Mandy B. Make sure you sure you're following her at Fullcourt Pumps. Now if you want the full video experience of Selective Ignorance, make sure you subscribe to the Patreon. It's patreon.com selective ignorance.

[Mandy B.]

It's your girl, Mandy B. And you just checked out my new podcast, Selective Ignorance. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure you head on over and hit that subscribe button and check out Selective Ignorance every Tuesday and every Friday wherever you listen to your favorite part podcast.

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